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Oddity Builds Dread FAST - Xenomania 74 · Xenomania

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Jon: This week on Xenomania, we head to the Irish countryside
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for a spooky, mysterious tale of revenge and the supernatural.
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Following the death of her twin sister, Darcy travels to the home
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where she died to find out how.
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Also, does one of my co-hosts slash a favorite movie again?
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This is oddity.
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This is Xenomania.
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Kearns: TV Oddities, don't ya?
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Ryan: Y- yes.
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Jon: Oh,
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Kearns: Yes.
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Do you remember the shows that were on it?
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Ryan: Yes.
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Kearns: I remember Head.
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Or is it The Head?
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Ryan: The Head.
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Kearns: The Head.
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That was the one where the alien lived in the dude's head,
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Ryan: Yep.
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Jon: yeah.
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Kearns: and it would crawl out of there at times.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: different shows on there.
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Ryan: That was like late night MTV too.
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That was like
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Kearns: That was...
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Ryan: you watch South Park on
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Jon: But,
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Ryan: Central,
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Jon: but
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Ryan: then you
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Jon: do you remember the
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Kearns: I'm positive of it.
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Ryan: Well,
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Kearns: Positive of it.
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Ryan: Swim was around at that time, but they were doing like Space Ghost Coast
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to Coast, so it was a little more tamed.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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But, uh, Sealab.
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Sealab was the ish, man.
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If you never saw Sealab, you gotta get on the internet right now and watch it.
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It's unbelievably funny.
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Jon: WWE?
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Ryan: Yes, Golga, Kurgan,
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: Luna
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Jon: Luna Vachon.
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Ryan: Uh, Insane Clown
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Kearns: Oh, I remember Luna.
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Oh, ICP.
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Shout out to my Juggalos out there.
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Ryan: You got
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Jon: You have Juggalos?
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Kearns: I don't know, we, we might have Juggalos in the fan base.
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Ryan: I-
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Jon: We might.
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Ryan: a, there's a Juggalo Championship Wrestling.
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Jon: Um, because of course there is.
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Ryan: oh, it's
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Kearns: Yeah, why wouldn't there
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Ryan: Legit.
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I've seen a
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Kearns: be?
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Is it legit, Ryan?
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Ryan: seen a couple episodes.
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It's, it's pretty legit.
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There's storylines.
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Vince Russo is there, the write- former writer of the WWE,
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Kearns: Look at that
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Ryan: I don't wanna create controversy on that.
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Jon: I mean,
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Ryan: believe he did.
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He helped kill it along with
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Jon: he, he, he,
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Kearns: then, am I
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Jon: belt on David Arquette.
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You, you don't have a l- a serious wrestling company if
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David Arquette is your champion.
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Ryan: I agree with that.
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Kearns: Wasn't that for Ready to Rumble?
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Wasn't
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Ryan: It was...
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Jon: I think it was supposed to be, yeah...
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Ryan: Yep, they
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Kearns: Pretty fly stuff.
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Ryan: too, but
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Jon: Listen,
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Ryan: it's all over.
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Everything
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Jon: for- forget all of them.
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What we need is Xenomania Championship Wrestling.
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Ryan: XCW?
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Yeah.
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Jon: Yeah,
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Kearns: has a nice ring
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Jon: it does.
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It does, doesn't it?
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Kearns: Maybe we can, you know, commission The White House to have the first, like,
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Royal Rumble style event out in the
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: we don't... No, we don't have to go to the
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Kearns: We
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Ryan: for that.
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Kearns: have to go... Okay.
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Jon: you gonna do when Xenomania runs wild on you, brother?
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Kearns: Nice.
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Very nice.
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this week, there, we are, we are discussing the horror movie oddity
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Ryan: Which feel like it's so good.
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Um, it was a first watch for me.
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I feel like, was it a first watch?
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It was a first watch for you too, Current, right?
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Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: first watch for you, John, or you've seen it?
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Jon: No, I watched it a few months ago for the first time.
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Ryan: It's, it's so good.
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I feel like it's an underrated gem.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: Like, it
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Jon: It really is.
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It really is.
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Kearns: yeah.
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Jon: So it's, written and directed by Damian McCarthy, who's probably
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about to blow up with "Hokum."
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Ryan: Yeah.
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what we saw with Oddity, with the suspense, the lighting, the music.
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I, I mean, I was talking to John earlier about this.
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I jumped a few times during this film, like legit jumps and, like, I covered
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my eyes during one part, I'll admit.
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the part where she's got her finger in the golem, I was
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like, "There goes her fingers.
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I can't watch this." Mars Attacks put me in a PTSD moment since I was a kid.
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So like,
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: it,
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Kearns: Very likely.
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Ryan: know, a well-known actor.
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feel like
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: he's gonna be up there now.
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Jon: Yeah, I, I, y- you know, it'll also depend on what
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choices he wants to make too.
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I mean, everything he's done is written and directed by, so, you know, he hasn't
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worked with anybody else's material, and I, I kinda hope it stays that way.
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Kearns: Yeah, he's got his own vibe, and it's a good vibe.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: movie, starts out with some panache too.
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It's not a terribly slow start.
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He
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: going right away.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: a modern audience, I feel.
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Jon: Yep.
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Ryan: Yep.
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Jon: Yep.
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Kearns: like the creepy dude from the mental institution at the window.
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Ryan: I- he looked friendly.
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Kearns: Oh, yeah.
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Jon: With my,
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Kearns: a glass eye that I wouldn't let in the
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Jon: my, favorite prosthetic eye in movie history probably with the, like,
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drawn on circle in the middle of it.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: I,
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Kearns: Yeah, nothing wrong here.
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Ryan: mean, okay, not to get on a tangent, but Last Action
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Hero, that glass eye collection.
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Kearns: That was a good-- That's a good glass eye
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: Just saying.
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Jon: But,
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Kearns: good reference in
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Jon: but like, like drawing the iris or pupil onto your own fake
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eye yourself, that's, that's like a whole different level of like,
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"I'm probably not mentally fit."
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Kearns: consider if you're on
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Ryan: is he gonna
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Kearns: the other side of that door wondering
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Jon: Is that, is that Sharpie on his eye?
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Hmm.
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What's more unnerving though, this drawn-on portion of the eye or if it was
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just a w- white cue ball in his head?
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Ryan: Hmm.
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I, I'll
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Kearns: Toughie.
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Ryan: The Sharpie's creepier.
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Kearns: a
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Jon: I think the Sharpie's creepier too.
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Kearns: weird.
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Jon: I think the, like, the, the just keeping it white sort of
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makes him seem a little lazy.
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He didn't have an idea for what to do with it.
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Kearns: Oh, shoot.
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I've never seen an all-white one before.
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That would be very unnerving.
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Ryan: Pyre.
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Kearns: in the real world, I've met many people with prosthetic eyes,
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glass eyes, whatever we call them.
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Never seen one
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Jon: Many?
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Kearns: just white.
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Jon: Wow.
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Kearns: at least 10.
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Jon: Wow, really?
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Kearns: together, gentlemen,
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Ryan: Yep.
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Kearns: met at least four.
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Ryan: Yep, yep, I know one from where we work, so...
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Jon: I'm trying to do the math.
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I can only think of, like, two.
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Ryan: That's it.
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Jon: name names, uh, obviously.
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Kearns: was a lazy eye at one point, but
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: no, it's not.
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Jon: Oh,
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Ryan: No.
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Kearns: these-- This is over the span of many years, but still, they,
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some have come, and some have gone.
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Ryan: They've, they've flown
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Kearns: Anywho, they have.
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But yeah, the prosthetic eye is interesting.
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Um, I definitely... So one of the things that the writer and director
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does is he pulls from lots of different traditions, and that eye, the way
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that they drew it, is definitely to make you think of the evil eye.
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Have
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Jon: yeah.
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Kearns: ever heard of the evil eye?
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: just like one, especially when she's using her psychic powers on it, her
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: voodoo,
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: call
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Jon: And, and our,
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Kearns: uh...
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Jon: our glass-eyed guy, it presents as very intimidating,
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but Olin is not a bad guy.
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Kearns: One of the most benevolent characters maybe in the movie.
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Uh, uh, unfortunately, he's a, you know, he was a murderer.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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But he wasn't.
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At least not,
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Kearns: was...
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Jon: at least not in the instance.
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Ryan: No, he was protecting himself.
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Jon: the protector at the house.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Jon: Mm.
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I can't say old Olin.
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Ryan: Ole?
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Kearns: old Olin.
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Jon: Old Olin, like, those are, those are
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Kearns: The
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Jon: he overheard
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Kearns: door.
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Jon: warn her when he got released.
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He knew, he knew what was coming for Danny.
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Ryan: which was nice foreshadowing because, you know, he's saying
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he's from the mental institute.
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She like, you know, Danny connects all the pieces.
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Um, it's her husband Ted's, uh, patient, and he keeps mentioning the voices,
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and she's like, "Mental institution, voices. This guy's insane." But
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Jon: Mm-hmm
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Ryan: we get to figure out later on, the voices of the plan of what's going
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to happen to her, and it's like, it's a nice, like, mixture, and I, I like that.
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He does a lot of foreshadowing.
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He does a lot of building up.
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Kearns: He does, and that's a nice misdirection, too, because in
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the beginning, you think it's him
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And you kind of follow that thread for a little while, though they
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do unravel it pretty quickly.
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And then you get your kind of like, your through line to the truth is the
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sister we continue on through the movie, which is pretty cool too, actually.
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I thought that was gonna kind of ruin it, it worked out very, very well.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: So the first one is the evil eye, which the Greeks...
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That's a Greek one, by the way.
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If you guys are into that sort of thing out there,
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Ryan: Oh, yeah.
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Kearns: into your evil eyes.
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It's supposed to ward off evil and such, which works out pretty
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well considering the character.
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Jon: Yep.
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And it does.
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He's, and that you get a lot of, like the character work in
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this whole thing is really good.
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You know, you get, you get Ted who, like you see him and you're,
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"Oh, this guy's just a wuss." Like,
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Ryan: You got worse from him?
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I thought
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Jon: from Ted?
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Yeah.
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Ryan: thought
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Jon: Ted...
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Ryan: right from
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Jon: Well, well, yeah, I mean, I don't, those are not mutually exclusive.
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You can, you can be a jerk and a wuss, and he's se-
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Ryan: Fair.
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Jon: just sorta also like disinterested in the women in his life.
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You know?
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Like Danny, Danny's ta- talks to him on the phone and he's just
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like, "Well, whatever." And then Jana's getting, gets uncomfortable
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in the house for good reason.
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I mean, it's a house that someone was murdered in, regardless of who did it.
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And he...
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Kearns: female at that.
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Jon: and he just sort of poo-poos that, you know.
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Like, "Oh, no, it's fine."
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Kearns: Double exposure with the camera stuff.
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He's, yeah, he's a chode.
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Ryan: a workaholic too.
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I feel like he's so focused on his work that, like, he feels like he
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doesn't have the time, but that makes him such a good antagonist because
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: really care.
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He's,
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Jon: Yeah,
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Ryan: feel
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Jon: I...
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Ryan: yeah, like the whole world to him is just everyone's a patient,
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: study to him.
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Jon: Mm. And, and listen, I, would start this by saying, you know, there's a lot
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of spoilers right here already, but it, it's not a deeply disguised mystery, uh,
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as to who orchestrated Danny's murder.
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Ryan: Oh, no.
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Jon: McCarthy doesn't go to great lengths to disguise the mystery.
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You know, you meet Olin and he's a nice misdirect for a few minutes, but then
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you, you know, you meet Ivan the, the orderly, and Ted, and it's like Okay.
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Uh, maybe Olin's telling the truth.
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Ryan: Y- I mean, you can also see it when Ted visits Danny and, uh, him
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the glass eye, Olin's glass eye, her.
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Jon: Darcy.
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Ryan: Or not--
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Jon: He visited Dar- Darcy's the one that was all in...
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Kearns: though?
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Ryan: It's--
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Jon: asked for it.
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Ryan: Yes.
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Jon: a- she asked for the eye because she, you know, she's got the, the sort
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of psychic ability and he, I mean, I...
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Kearns: would wonder why he would give it to her.
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Jon: Because he's a skeptic.
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Ryan: Yes.
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Jon: He, he,
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Ryan: in that
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Jon: a, he's a medicine guy, he's a science guy.
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He doesn't, he didn't believe it.
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He didn't believe the bellhop bell either.
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You know, he's just,
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Kearns: Yeah, we found that
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Jon: he, he didn't,
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Kearns: that
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Jon: he, he's, he, you know, he dismisses Darcy as a kook, and I think he believes
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that giving her this glass eye is just gonna sort of calm her down and, you
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know, allow her enough closure so he doesn't have to deal with her anymore.
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Kearns: Yeah, it's,
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Ryan: fear from him,
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Kearns: it's...
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Ryan: can-- Like, the character at least, he is, like, scared
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of her in a little bit.
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He's nervous.
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He's, like, very quick.
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He wants to get out of there quickly.
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And, you know, it sh- again, it shows more of that villainous role in him.
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Kearns: I think scared of her in the way that you're scared when
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you've done something wrong and it's right beneath the sheet,
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: like, ready to pull it
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: the kind of vibe I got from her
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Jon: Yeah.
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Yeah, and y- you're, you're worried that she's just perceptive enough to pick it
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up, and then, you know, you add in the element that he goes to see her in her
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creepy, like cursed object antique shop.
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Ryan: Which was
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: would you guys
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Kearns: That place was awesome.
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Jon: Oh, absolutely.
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Kearns: maybe not,
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Jon: No, I would absolutely go.
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Ryan: go
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Kearns: with
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Ryan: as a group.
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It's in the city.
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We get a hot dog, maybe a
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Kearns: you.
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Ryan: maybe a gyro,
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Kearns: Like,
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Ryan: you know?
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Kearns: you reach over and hit a bell, and then one of us is dead.
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That's why I might not go.
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Ryan: What is this, the Necro Comic-Con?
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Jon: Well, you, you, you know one of us is idiot enough to ring the bell.
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Kearns: Exactly.
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It'll be a sign.
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Like, there, there will be no ropes or anything.
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It'll just be a bell with a sign, like, "Do not ring," and
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: down to two.
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Jon: Ding, ding, ding.
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Kearns: But the oddities place, I'm not so sure I would go to visit.
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But she was a cool character.
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Um, it's played by the same actress,
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Jon: is the same actress.
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Yep, yep.
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And,
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Kearns: That is a nice way to do that so that she doesn't, you know, get no
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screen time for dying, like, in the first
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Jon: It's, i- it's pro- it's probably relevant to also
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mention that Darcy is blind.
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Ryan: Yep.
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Kearns: Yes.
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And it was actually difficult to pick up on if you're... Like, I was
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watching going, blind," but she's not acting blind, walking blind.
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she's moving very fluidly
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Jon: Mm. Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: and stuff like that.
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Now, so I'm not criticizing the movie for it, but it's easy to forget that
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she's blind while watching the movie.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: maybe part of it.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: my, like, excuse for it, 'cause I'm-- I thought the same thing.
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I'm like, "She's, she's a witch.
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She can
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: see what's going on and all that."
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Kearns: It's Daredevil.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: she's heightened senses.
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Jon: And they, you know, there, there's really this, this, this element to this.
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McCarthy talks about his inspirations for the, for h- his movies in general,
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and particularly "Oddity." And it's, um, it's the del Toro process,
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Kearns: Hmm.
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Jon: where he,
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Ryan: see that.
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Jon: he starts with these images and builds from the image.
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And you can definitely see that within, "Oddity" is, you know, the golem.
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He builds from the golem.
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He... The bell, the, the house, and the creepiness there.
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He, you know...
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Kearns: is a classic misdirect too.
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Like a
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Jon: Oh, yeah.
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Kearns: the, um... There's an actual trick where you, a callback
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that you have something show up in the beginning and it turns into
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something very important later on,
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: I forget what the hell it's
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: um-- might be getting the
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Jon: He--
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Ryan: I mean, it connects to the bomb theory where, you know, where
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something might happen, and you see it in the beginning, and then they, the
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character comes into contact with it.
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It's the Alfred Hitchcock theory.
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Like, you see the bomb under the table, but you're more focused, I think, on
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the people having the conversation,
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Jon: Yeah,
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Ryan: as the bomb's ticking, you're going back and forth
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between the ticking to the convo.
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Jon: y-
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Kearns: It's a little different.
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This isn't that, um, per se, 'cause it's, it's not, it's
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you've completely forgotten.
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Not ticking in the background,
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Jon: he,
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Kearns: it shows back up.
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Jon: he,
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Kearns: another thing.
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I forget what the
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Jon: he introduces the bell, and you're sure the bell is gonna
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play a role, and it doesn't.
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And then
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Kearns: Gone.
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Jon: in front of the big wooden crate, almost like praying to the crate.
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And then the next time you see the crate, it's being delivered
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to Ted and Yana at the house.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Jon: And at that point, you don't even know what's inside the crate.
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Kearns: This is
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Jon: does, I believe.
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I believe that Ted, when he sees the crate, knows what's in it.
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Kearns: Bet she's super excited about it.
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Who wouldn't want that,
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: was pretty
17:23
Jon: guys, congratulations on your relationship.
17:26
Here's a big creepy wooden crate with an even creepier golem inside of it."
17:32
Kearns: Yeah, I believe it's wooden man in the movie, right?
17:34
What do they call it specifically?
17:36
Ryan: Uh.
17:36
Jon: man, yeah.
17:37
He calls a h-- um, in interviews, I've seen McCarthy sort of bounce
17:42
between wooden man and golem.
17:45
Kearns: he does name Golem.
17:46
Interesting.
17:47
That
17:47
Jon: d-
17:48
Kearns: though.
17:48
Jon: def- he definitely like says that it's, you know,
17:51
based on that golem concept.
17:56
Kearns: Yeah, it's not too much of a reach, though.
17:58
Jon: Yeah.
17:58
Kearns: to figure it out on our own, I
18:00
Jon: Yeah, yeah.
18:01
Kearns: nice if he left it unnamed.
18:02
The wooden man is a Golem.
18:04
Jon: Mm-hmm.
18:05
Kearns: artistic flair to
18:06
Jon: Mm-hmm.
18:07
Ryan: man.
18:08
Kearns: Kinda like the evil eye is very clearly an evil eye, but he doesn't talk
18:11
Jon: Yeah, yeah.
18:12
Kearns: seen anything about the evil eye part.
18:14
Jon: No, I know, I, I, I've read a bunch of interviews with him that
18:17
the eye doesn't come up at all.
18:20
Kearns: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense the way you th... if you think about it
18:23
that way, but it's not necessarily... It... That doesn't mean, and this is
18:26
something I learned from literature, it doesn't mean it was intended,
18:28
Ryan: I was gonna
18:28
Kearns: but it does fit awfully nicely.
18:30
Ryan: accidental symbolism.
18:33
Kearns: Yeah,
18:33
Jon: Mm-hmm.
18:34
Kearns: a thing.
18:34
Ryan: happens in movies, and it-- sometimes it works or it's like, okay,
18:38
we can connect, and sometimes it doesn't.
18:40
This time it worked.
18:42
Kearns: Right.
18:42
Ryan: I'm shocked he hasn't noticed
18:43
Kearns: Or it, it wasn't accidental at all, it's just he didn't talk about it.
18:46
It's, um, bouncing between those two things.
18:49
Jon: Mm-hmm.
18:49
Mm-hmm.
18:49
Kearns: is, like, it looks just like the traditional evil eye.
18:53
It's really
18:53
Jon: Yeah.
18:54
Yeah, it's... I, a l- a lot of those little things that he does in this
18:59
movie feel like they're intentional.
19:03
They, like maybe it's accidental, but I don't think so.
19:07
I think like a lot of this is very intentional.
19:12
Kearns: There's an interesting... He's an interesting guy, too,
19:14
in that he hodgepodges stuff.
19:16
Jon: Mm-hmm.
19:17
Kearns: this kind of broader umbrella mysticism thing, witchcraft,
19:21
Jon: Mm-hmm.
19:21
Kearns: guessing he's probably gonna do this in Hokum too,
19:23
Ryan: Oh,
19:24
Kearns: and he just pulls in a bunch of crap
19:26
Jon: Yeah.
19:27
Kearns: and works it.
19:28
It works,
19:28
Jon: Yeah.
19:29
Kearns: upset me,
19:30
Jon: Yeah.
19:30
Kearns: a risky thing to
19:31
Jon: Yeah.
19:32
Yeah.
19:32
So I mean, you know, he uses the golem sort of tale, which I think
19:38
you can elaborate on some, Kearns.
19:41
Kearns: A little bit.
19:42
Um, it's Jewish.
19:43
A lot of people don't realize that.
19:44
If you're
19:45
Jon: Mm-hmm.
19:45
Kearns: Fantasy player or something, you've seen Golem pop up.
19:49
Jon: Mm-hmm.
19:50
Kearns: a lot of people think of Gollum from Lord of the Rings
19:52
Jon: Yeah.
19:52
Kearns: related.
19:53
It's just, that's G-O-L-L-U-M.
19:56
Jon: Mm-hmm.
19:57
Kearns: Maybe Tolkien had something in mind for that, but
19:59
that's not... it's not a thing.
20:01
the Golem's cool because it harkens back to, like, the Talmud, Babylon.
20:06
Jon: Mm-hmm.
20:07
Kearns: Like, you're talking way back in the First Testament
20:09
stuff when they did have a lot of Jewish mysticism going around.
20:13
Gnostic texts for Christianity would be the equivalent, I think.
20:16
But, The golem was, it was a avatar of vengeance.
20:21
So the rabbi was the only one who had the, the magical powers knew the symbols
20:26
and the chants to make it come to life.
20:29
And there's, in some of the stories, there's a, a spoon, a special spoon
20:32
that the rabbi uses to scoop the mud form the golem into its shape, and
20:38
then he brings it to life, and the golem goes and exacts the revenge.
20:42
But it's really common for them to go rogue.
20:46
They don't always-- They don't a- they're not perfect by any means.
20:49
They can go rogue.
20:50
They can do bad things.
20:51
So, um, you can have it, you can, uh... Well, I think in a, a lot of the ways
20:57
that if you watch them and they're done too, there's the, symbol on their
21:00
forehead, is Emet, which means truth in Hebrew, that's what gets it going.
21:06
And then you have to whittle that down to Met kill it and turn it
21:09
back to dust, and that's death.
21:12
kinda neat.
21:13
That's a little neat thing.
21:15
Um, there's a good story too.
21:18
Uh, it like a rabbi of Prague, and he had to save a whole bunch
21:22
of Jews from the golem, uh, from persecution, which is a common
21:26
story for the Jewish, unfortunately.
21:28
And he used river mud to make the golem and sent it out to protect
21:33
them, and it, it did a bunch of stuff.
21:35
It wasn't just like clubbing people over the head.
21:37
But then it started to go rogue, and he had to take it down.
21:42
He had to, like, get rid of it afterward.
21:44
But it's a common symbol for divine creation, and how, like,
21:50
it, it doesn't have a soul, so it's not allowed to speak, right?
21:53
And people in biblical lore were made out of clay or earth, we have
22:00
a soul because we were made by the, the big maker, the big G-O-D guy.
22:05
So we're like the perfect creation.
22:06
A golem is an imperfect creation made by us.
22:09
It's a copy of a copy, multiplicity.
22:11
I like Pizza Steve.
22:12
I'm done.
22:12
Jon: Mm-hmm.
22:13
Mm-hmm.
22:13
Mm-hmm.
22:13
Yeah.
22:14
Mm-hmm.
22:14
Mm-hmm.
22:14
Yeah.
22:15
And it-- And like that kind of idea, you know, despite this not being Jewish
22:20
at all and being very Irish, he, uh, McCarthy ties it in with, you know, a, a,
22:28
a simple question that I saw him working on in interviews also is, if you were
22:33
a witch, what folklore would you use?
22:37
If, if you were out to get revenge, you know, knowing and believing
22:44
that Ted killed your sister, how do you get your revenge?
22:48
What folklore would that be?
22:50
Kearns: the vengiest of
22:56
Jon: I,
22:57
Kearns: ve- vengeance.
22:57
Jon: I,
22:58
Ryan: It's the
22:58
Jon: I
23:00
Kearns: Yeah, you make them into zombies and
23:02
Jon: Mm-hmm.
23:02
Ryan: Serpent in
23:03
Jon: I mean, I mean, the thing, the thing about putting that golem there is how
23:08
unsettling it is to have this life-sized wooden man sitting at your table.
23:16
Ryan: Oh, it's
23:17
Kearns: 40 minutes of runtime
23:18
Jon: With a, with a, with his mouth agape, you know, just...
23:25
The whole time.
23:26
Ryan: And then
23:27
Jon: No.
23:28
Ryan: its movements, like you see it for one second looking
23:30
up or looking to the side,
23:32
Jon: Mm-hmm.
23:32
Mm-hmm.
23:32
Ryan: pulls away for the reaction, then goes back.
23:35
It's just like- You're like, oh, and then you hear the music in the background and
23:40
it's like it sent chills on my spine.
23:42
Like I would jump at those scenes.
23:44
Besides the
23:44
Jon: Yeah, they...
23:46
Ryan: the wood man, the wood golem is like, what are we doing?
23:49
Because you're waiting for him to move.
23:52
You're waiting for him to do something.
23:54
It's like
23:54
Jon: Mm-hmm.
23:55
Ryan: of the finger.
23:55
You just want to see something, but you're like crap.
23:59
You're like,
24:00
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
24:02
Ryan: you know?
24:02
You're
24:03
Jon: Yeah.
24:03
Ryan: ah.
24:05
Jon: Yeah, ev- every time anybody is near the wooden man in this movie,
24:10
you're waiting for that moment.
24:14
He...
24:15
Kearns: was, I was waiting for when she was pulling stuff out of the
24:18
Jon: Mm-hmm.
24:19
Kearns: Or he was-- Or who was pulling stuff out of the
24:21
Jon: It was Jana.
24:23
Kearns: Yeah, yeah, she was pulling stuff out of the head.
24:25
And, uh, she, she gets away clean on this one.
24:28
Jon: Yeah.
24:28
Kearns: I guess
24:29
Jon: Yeah.
24:30
I mean, you know, she's... I mean, for the most part,
24:35
Kearns: is having a dump truck.
24:37
Jon: yeah, she, uh, they, you know, she... It's sort of
24:41
implied that maybe Ted and Jana's relationship predated Danny's death.
24:48
Ryan: I thought
24:48
Jon: But...
24:49
Ryan: obvious,
24:50
Kearns: He didn't wanna kill her, though.
24:51
Ryan: does make it known to at least the audience that they've been in a
24:55
relationship for at least two years when she's talking to Ted on the
24:58
Jon: Mm-hmm.
24:59
Ryan: So, I
24:59
Jon: Yeah.
25:00
Ryan: it's friendship, she's like, oh, Darcy a little bit more.
25:06
And that's what makes
25:07
Jon: Mm-hmm.
25:08
Ryan: out.
25:09
But, I mean, the scene where she's – I thought she was going to put her finger
25:13
in it and, like, the hole and then it
25:15
Jon: Yeah.
25:15
Ryan: trapped.
25:16
was another scene I cringed at, too.
25:18
Jon: Mm-hmm.
25:19
Ryan: I mean, I feel like you get the suspense of her pulling everything
25:24
you're waiting for the woodman to go, like, to get up and do something
25:27
that you forget about Darcy.
25:28
Because then when you hear her echo, put them back.
25:32
mean, I
25:33
Jon: Mm-hmm.
25:34
Ryan: Because it's like
25:35
Jon: Mm-hmm.
25:35
Ryan: he's brilliant of using sounds and the music and the actors to amplify the
25:42
Jon: Yeah,
25:43
Ryan: which is a lost art I feel nowadays.
25:47
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
25:48
Jon: Yeah,
25:48
Kearns: agree with that
25:50
Jon: he uses everything to, to build the suspense, and he cashes in on it.
25:54
It's not, it's not like some other movies we've talked about before where
25:58
they build suspense and then That's it.
26:02
He's just built suspense for no reason.
26:04
He cashes in.
26:07
Ryan: Yeah, yeah, he does.
26:08
I was thinking about movies that didn't cash in.
26:11
And I feel like a lot of the movies we've watched, a good majority have cashed in.
26:16
some haven't, like Fright Night Part 2, remake, not the
26:21
Jon: Mm-hmm.
26:22
Ryan: But the one movie we haven't covered that I think
26:27
hits a spot is Bring Her Back.
26:28
But we got to talk about that another time.
26:32
Kearns: We're never gonna talk about that.
26:33
By the way, the, the thing was Chekhov's Gun.
26:36
Ryan: Yes.
26:37
Kearns: technique is Chekhov's Gun, yeah.
26:40
Ryan: I'm--
26:40
Kearns: I had to look it up.
26:41
It was bothering me.
26:41
Ryan: that's fine.
26:42
Chekhov's gun, yes.
26:44
Kearns: About the bell is at the end is that it's the fact that
26:47
he is a non-believer, 'cause you
26:49
Jon: Mm-hmm.
26:49
Kearns: thought of that.
26:50
That's what makes him ring it, 'cause he's a
26:51
Jon: Mm-hmm.
26:52
Kearns: asshole.
26:52
Jon: Yeah.
26:53
Yeah.
26:54
Kearns: cool.
26:54
Jon: Like all this weird stuff just happened, but I'm a man of science.
26:59
There's no way any of that was weird.
27:01
It just happened.
27:04
Mm-hmm.
27:06
Kearns: itself is a cool movie in its simplicity.
27:07
It doesn't really try too much trickery.
27:09
Jon: No.
27:11
Kearns: very kind of straightforward in
27:12
Jon: No.
27:13
Yeah, I don't... Really the one misdirect is like the first 15 minutes with Olin,
27:17
Ryan: Yeah.
27:18
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
27:18
Jon: and then it's...
27:19
Kearns: the first jump scare, really there's not too many
27:21
jump scares after that.
27:22
There are some, like when she yells with that
27:24
Jon: Mm-hmm.
27:25
Kearns: enhanced voice
27:26
Jon: Mm-hmm.
27:27
Kearns: couple things with the... But the fall is tel- is, um, what
27:31
is the word, televised in advance or
27:34
Jon: A telegraph, telegraphed.
27:35
Kearns: Thank you.
27:36
We know that she's gonna fall through the hole
27:38
Jon: Yeah.
27:39
Yeah.
27:40
Ryan: I--
27:40
Kearns: Some which she is.
27:42
Ryan: oh yeah, true.
27:42
She-- 'cause she's blind.
27:44
I've-- that's a
27:44
Jon: Yeah.
27:45
Ryan: she tell?
27:45
If she can walk fine of whatever power she has, why couldn't
27:50
she tell where the hole was?
27:52
Kearns: I think that's just la- they were just lazy in making her be blindish,
27:57
Jon: Mm.
27:57
Kearns: honest with you.
27:58
I don't think
27:58
Jon: I,
27:59
Kearns: enhanced powers to
28:00
Jon: I, yeah, like I, I, I don't know.
28:04
I j- I just sort of feel like maybe at that point she had accomplished
28:09
what she set out to accomplish,
28:12
Kearns: It's very possible.
28:13
Jon: she didn't really actively attempt to avoid the hole.
28:17
'Cause she also, had to have heard him open, uh, the floor.
28:22
Ryan: is true.
28:24
Jon: I mean, she... It's not like, she was somewhere completely different and he did.
28:27
She was, you know, a couple feet away.
28:32
Ryan: Yeah.
28:33
Kearns: was-- The fact she didn't hear it is also a little bo- I mean, I,
28:36
that's what I said though, like the kind of movie it is, they're not trying to
28:39
Jon: Mm-hmm.
28:40
Kearns: not Inception.
28:41
It's not Shutter
28:41
Jon: No, no.
28:42
Kearns: worry about the scrapes and stuff.
28:44
It's like he
28:45
Jon: yeah.
28:45
Kearns: she didn't know was there.
28:46
She
28:47
Jon: Mm-hmm.
28:47
Mm-hmm.
28:48
Or she knew it was there and fell through the hole anyway.
28:51
Kearns: That's possible
28:52
Jon: Job done.
28:53
Kearns: there like, "Eh,
28:54
Jon: Mm-hmm.
28:55
Kearns: along, do my bidding."
28:57
Jon: Mm-hmm.
28:58
Ryan: I
28:58
Jon: Yeah.
28:59
Kearns: so it
28:59
Jon: She, she was playing a game,
29:01
Ryan: she did--
29:02
Jon: a Golem game.
29:03
Ryan: when you see the bell in the beginning, she does put
29:05
it in a package for delivery.
29:08
So it's
29:09
Jon: Mm-hmm.
29:09
Ryan: stone from there.
29:10
So
29:11
Jon: Mm-hmm.
29:13
Ryan: she knew her death.
29:14
I mean, but I-- do you think she would know her death then?
29:19
Jon: I mean, if she's any kind of a witch, maybe.
29:24
Ryan: You know?
29:25
'Cause like if sh- like
29:27
Jon: Maybe.
29:27
Ryan: fighting for something, like like
29:30
Jon: Yeah.
29:30
Ryan: through and it's like done, you know?
29:34
Jon: But that was her game.
29:38
Ryan: Okay.
29:39
Jon: I have a game.
29:40
Ryan: Ooh.
29:41
Jon: you guys wanna play a game?
29:42
Ryan: Yes.
29:43
Kearns: a
29:43
Jon: Let's play a game.
29:46
I got... I have a game.
29:47
It's, you know, it's our, our usual Slash or Stash.
29:52
Usual rules apply.
29:54
You get to stash three of them.
29:57
You're gonna have to get rid of five, unless you guess the theme,
30:01
then I'll let you have an extra one.
30:03
However, if you guess it wrong, you lose one.
30:09
So
30:10
Kearns: Okay,
30:10
Jon: we'll start here.
30:12
Ryan: yeah.
30:14
Stash.
30:16
Kearns: Yeah, I have to stash it.
30:17
Ryan: Like, this is
30:18
Kearns: I have to stash it.
30:19
It's Halloween.
30:20
Ryan: what
30:20
Kearns: I do
30:21
Ryan: like slasher.
30:22
I mean, you have Black Christmas, you have Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
30:25
but then Halloween puts in, like,
30:28
Kearns: have
30:28
Ryan: the foresight.
30:29
Jon: Mm-hmm.
30:31
Ryan: Love John Carpenter.
30:32
But this is,
30:35
this is an interesting
30:37
Jon: Any guesses?
30:38
Ryan: That's why I'm
30:38
Jon: Eh.
30:39
Kearns: a guess, but I'm sitting on it until I see the next title.
30:43
Jon: All right.
30:45
Let's give you the next one.
30:46
I don't think it's gonna help.
30:48
Maybe it does.
30:50
Kearns: reanimated killers or creatures?
30:52
Jon: Oh, unfortunately not.
30:56
Kearns: But those are two reanimated killers or creatures, though.
30:58
Jon: They are.
30:59
Although in Halloween, Michael Myers is not yet reanimated.
31:03
Ryan: No piece of shape.
31:04
Kearns: That's cruel.
31:05
I,
31:06
Jon: he's still original Michael Myers.
31:09
He hasn't died yet.
31:10
Yeah.
31:11
Kearns: my second stash.
31:12
Jon: Yeah, this is gonna get painful for you.
31:15
Kearns: Uh, I'm happy with Halloween and Frankenstein.
31:18
Jon: We'll
31:19
Ryan: Mm.
31:19
Jon: how happy.
31:21
Kearns: I'll see who
31:22
Jon: Ryan?
31:23
Ryan: Well, I'm j- um, so it's hard because I'm trying to figure out if I
31:26
wanna stash or slash, but then at the same time, I'm trying to think of the theme
31:30
Jon: I-
31:31
Ryan: 'cause,
31:31
Kearns: I... It's interesting.
31:36
Ryan: 'cause, uh, I mean, I mean, like with Halloween, he's not,
31:40
Kearns: I
31:40
Ryan: he's not reincarnated,
31:42
Jon: Mm-hmm.
31:43
Kearns: didn't say reincarnated, I said reanimated.
31:47
Ryan: But he's not even reanimated in the first one.
31:50
he disappears, but the idea of him disappearing is he's a shape.
31:54
He's a part of, like, the world technically.
31:57
With Frankenstein, it's a creation.
32:01
Jon: He has reanimated body parts.
32:05
Kearns: Not necessarily like Frankenstein.
32:07
That's true.
32:08
Ryan: I'm slashing it.
32:09
I'm sorry.
32:10
Sorry, Del Toro.
32:12
Jon: Whoa.
32:13
Kearns: So we were supposed to have three, right?
32:15
So
32:15
Jon: Yeah.
32:16
Kearns: one, I've lost-- I'm down to, like, none.
32:18
Jon: However, I mean, you can guess... Y- y- no, you can guess again, but after
32:23
this movie, there's no more guesses, so
32:25
Kearns: Ba bada ba pa pa
32:26
Jon: I guess you're sort of in, an unplanned for spot where
32:29
you get a free guess here.
32:31
Kearns: Yeah.
32:32
Ryan: what
32:33
Kearns: But I'm out of ideas.
32:34
Ryan: what if he guesses and he gets it, and then he gets his spot back?
32:38
Jon: I-
32:38
Ryan: Is that
32:38
Jon: if...
32:39
Kearns: probably--
32:39
Jon: Yes, yes.
32:40
Kearns: get
32:41
Jon: Yeah, he'd, he'd get back,
32:42
Kearns: one back,
32:43
Jon: he'd get back to three.
32:44
Yeah, he wouldn't get to two, he'd just go back to three.
32:47
Ryan: That's
32:48
Jon: So let's see.
32:49
Kearns: that kind of operation.
32:50
Jon: see if the third movie gives us something away.
32:53
Oh, wrong way.
32:55
Wrong way.
32:57
Oh, wrong way.
32:58
Ryan: oh,
32:59
Kearns: no.
32:59
Lots of hints.
33:01
Oh, see, reanimated.
33:04
I,
33:04
Jon: There's...
33:07
Kearns: Scientist.
33:10
Jon: Oh, nice job, Ryan.
33:12
They are all doctors.
33:15
Kearns: But doctors are kinds of scientists, and I said
33:17
that before he said doctors.
33:19
Jon: Did you?
33:20
Ryan: Four.
33:22
Jon: we're gonna have to check the tape.
33:24
Kearns: his hollow victory.
33:26
Oh, it's there, buddy.
33:27
I said scientist before you said doctor.
33:29
That's okay.
33:29
It's all good.
33:30
Ryan: him,
33:31
Kearns: Doctor is a better answer.
33:32
Ryan: him his three.
33:33
Give
33:34
Kearns: No, I'm fine.
33:35
fine.
33:36
Ryan: Are you
33:36
Jon: Well, I mean, we'll see.
33:38
Ryan: I mean, you have
33:38
Jon: We'll see, he might, he might legitimately be fine.
33:43
Ryan: So I have four
33:44
Jon: You're r- yeah, you might, you might... I feel like you might
33:49
struggle to fill this in yourself.
33:51
Ryan: I, so
33:52
Kearns: Dun, dun, dun.
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Ryan: got rid of Frankenstein.
33:55
I'm gonna keep Re-Animator.
33:56
I do like Re-Animator.
33:59
I do need to
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Kearns: Yeah, there we go.
34:01
It's
34:01
Jon: Although, hold on, hold on, hold on.
34:04
I may have to add a rule going forward because you have
34:07
slashed Re-Animator before.
34:11
Re-Animator might not exist in your world.
34:14
Kearns: universe anymore.
34:16
Jon: It might not exist in your world.
34:18
Ryan: came out in theater.
34:19
Jon: no, no, you can't, you can't,
34:21
Ryan: last week.
34:21
Jon: you can't bring a movie that you slashed out of existence.
34:26
Yeah, you know what?
34:27
That's a new rule going for... New r- new rule going forward.
34:30
If you slash a movie out of existence, you have to always slash it.
34:37
Ryan: Oh.
34:37
Kearns: That's wild, actually.
34:39
a really good idea.
34:40
Jon: It's gonna w- take a lot of memory on my part.
34:44
Kearns: Yeah, it's
34:45
Ryan: Yeah, it
34:46
Kearns: impossible.
34:47
Jon: Oh.
34:48
Ryan: I'm gonna stash it this week, though.
34:50
Jon: Yeah, you better.
34:52
All right, next one.
34:56
The Amazing Dr. Giggles.
34:59
Kearns: Yeah, this one messed me up.
35:00
I c- still can't stand scalpels 'cause of this.
35:04
Ryan: What's
35:04
Jon: I love this movie.
35:05
Ryan: or Pet Sematary?
35:08
Kearns: Dr. Giggles.
35:10
Pet Cemetery is pretty rough too, though, 'cause that's the Achilles tendon.
35:14
Jon: Mm-hmm.
35:14
Kearns: do that too.
35:15
Ryan: Yep.
35:15
Jon: Mm-hmm.
35:17
Ryan: Memories.
35:19
Jon: Well, yeah, slashing the Achilles tendon is, is
35:23
the tool of the short killer.
35:25
Kearns: Yeah.
35:27
The Lilliputian method, we
35:28
Jon: Mm-hmm.
35:32
So Ryan, where do we stand on "Dr. Giggles"?
35:35
Ryan: I'm gonna slash it.
35:37
I'm gonna slash it
35:41
Jon: Which makes movie number five...
35:44
Ryan: Oh, I was waiting for currents.
35:45
I was like, oh man, what the, what
35:46
Jon: Yeah, no, uh, he doesn't, he doesn't have to because
35:48
all this is out of his world.
35:51
Kearns: sitting easy over here in my failure.
35:53
Jon: Mm-hmm.
35:54
Ryan: I never heard of this movie.
35:56
Jon: You've never... Oh, man.
35:58
Ryan: Like this
35:59
Jon: Corbin, Corbin Bernsen as a, as a dentist falling apart.
36:04
Ryan: I, I just gotta, I'm getting along with my dentist again.
36:07
I can't watch a horror movie.
36:08
It's gonna send me right back.
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Kearns: a
36:12
Ryan: It's gonna send me right back, PTSD.
36:15
I'm gonna slash it.
36:17
It's a nice cover
36:22
Jon: I just couldn't find the one I wanted.
36:25
Next.
36:27
Ryan: Vincent
36:27
Kearns: new one
36:28
Jon: Yeah.
36:29
Ryan: movie is this?
36:30
What, what number
36:31
Jon: "Abominable Dr. Phibes," this is movie six.
36:36
Ryan: And there's two more.
36:37
Kearns: by me.
36:40
Ryan: You never
36:40
Jon: Oh, I love this one.
36:43
Ryan: it's a romantic horror film.
36:45
It's romanticism at its best.
36:47
But I gotta slash it we talked earlier, if there's something on here, I do
36:53
wanna s- I do wanna stash it if it's,
36:56
Jon: Yeah.
36:57
Ryan: on here.
36:57
It might not be, but I'll take the chance.
37:00
Jon: all right, we'll see if the... So you, you are in the opposite spot now.
37:05
You have to stash these last two.
37:08
Ryan: I'm fine with that.
37:09
Let's see.
37:09
Jon: All right, so... I
37:10
Ryan: Yes, I'm fine
37:11
Kearns: Ah,
37:12
Ryan: fine
37:13
Kearns: it's not bad.
37:13
I wanna see you watch it.
37:14
I wanna see you watch this at midnight in a sweaty room.
37:17
I wanna
37:18
Ryan: let's
37:18
Jon: have
37:19
Kearns: see it.
37:19
I
37:19
Ryan: Let's do it.
37:20
Jon: to
37:21
Kearns: wanna see you do
37:22
Jon: t-
37:22
Ryan: Frankenfooter.
37:23
Jon: I, I'm not a fan.
37:27
Ryan: No.
37:27
Kearns: you've admitted this
37:29
Jon: I'm not a fan.
37:30
Kearns: the first 10 episodes.
37:31
Ryan: you're not a
37:32
Jon: I, I wanna be a fan.
37:34
Yeah, that's what it is.
37:35
I, uh, there's not many musicals that get into my brain.
37:39
Ryan: It's Tim Curry.
37:40
Like Tim Curry just kills it.
37:42
Jon: "Still Alive."
37:43
Ryan: Yes, he is.
37:44
Kearns: Still alive.
37:45
Ryan: The Cardinal.
37:47
Jon: "Still Alive." And the last movie, I wonder if this is
37:51
what you were thinking, Ryan.
37:54
Ryan: No, but
37:54
Kearns: Good choice
37:55
Ryan: it.
37:56
I thought it was Bring Her Back, you name dropped it earlier.
38:00
I was ready.
38:01
Jon: I didn't name drop "Bring Her Back," you did.
38:04
Ryan: I love Bring Her Back, man.
38:06
No, I'll accept The Fly.
38:07
Jeff Goldblum, the, for the time, the special effects were ahead of its time.
38:14
Jon: Blame me for bringing her back sneaking in here again.
38:20
Kearns: Why is it even being mentioned?
38:21
It wasn't-- It had nothing to do with
38:22
Ryan: Next
38:23
Kearns: it.
38:23
Ryan: 1st, Bring Her Back.
38:26
it.
38:27
on the schedule.
38:29
Kearns: On the schedule.
38:30
Ryan: April
38:31
Jon: The schedule.
38:32
Kearns: Is it, Ryan?
38:33
Ryan: 1st.
38:34
Schedule.
38:35
Kearns: about all that, buddy.
38:36
Jon: The schedule.
38:37
Ryan: Schedule Make a sandwich afterwards.
38:41
how it goes.
38:41
That was a good
38:44
Kearns: All right.
38:44
That was a good one.
38:45
Ryan: I,
38:45
Jon: I like that one.
38:46
I, I like the consequences.
38:48
I like... I, I like it when, when there's real consequences for it.
38:53
Yeah.
38:54
Ryan: I,
38:55
Kearns: fun.
38:55
Ryan: a little nervous about that.
38:57
Jon: So one of the things I like is how much of the torment falls onto the
39:02
most innocent of the people in Jana.
39:06
Like, she's the one that feels all of the creepiness in that house after
39:10
Darcy shows up with the wooden man.
39:12
Ryan: do you really feel
39:13
Kearns: true.
39:14
Ryan: I, I didn't feel bad for
39:15
Jon: I do.
39:16
I, I do because she didn't, she didn't hurt anybody.
39:21
You know, she probably engaged in somebody else's extramarital affair.
39:27
It... There's no indication she was in a relationship when
39:30
they, she and Ted got together.
39:32
That... You can't... Like, that, that's like re- daytime talk show
39:38
logic where you get mad at the person your, your spouse was cheating
39:42
with, not your spouse who did it.
39:47
You want, you wanna fight the other woman all the time or the
39:50
other man all the time, but that's not the one who did anything.
39:53
Ryan: we're going the Maury Povich way, not the Jerry Springer way.
39:56
Got it
39:58
Jon: I mean- That's who you should be mad at.
40:01
Like, but poor Jana get... Like she finds the camera with the creepy pictures.
40:06
She's dealing with the wooden man and Darcy who, y- you know, I don't
40:13
know how she is in her real life, but once she gets to that house,
40:16
Darcy's a pretty creepy person too.
40:18
Just sort of sitting, staring unseeingly and, you know, into the
40:23
void, and only really broken up by some awkward conversation and a yell.
40:28
Ryan: She had a plan though, but that's, I feel like that's why.
40:32
But she had to be like that because of all the anger and the resentment she had
40:36
Jon: Mm-hmm.
40:38
Ryan: I feel like you see the real her when she's in the oddity shop
40:41
where she's in her comfort zone.
40:44
Jon: Mm-hmm.
40:44
Ryan: You know, a little more
40:45
Jon: Well,
40:47
Ryan: I,
40:49
Kearns: wild place
40:49
Jon: I mean, if you're, if you're a witch, that's probably where it would be.
40:53
Ryan: Yep.
40:54
Jon: But I, I also feel like there's an element of fact-finding in her,
40:59
the time she spends with Darcy.
41:02
Where, with, with Jana rather, that Darcy spends with Jana, where she's,
41:05
um, sort of assessing what Jana's involvement in Danny's death is.
41:13
And like, do, do I need for Jana to go too or am I just
41:20
directing this at Ted and Ivan?
41:23
Ryan: Yeah, I can
41:23
Kearns: That she cares enough not to be like a complete psychopath
41:27
and just kill everybody.
41:28
It's kinda nice.
41:29
Ryan: She's got
41:30
Jon: I, I... Well, yeah.
41:33
I mean, k- and she's, like she's a very sympathetic character, not just
41:38
the blindness, but the... I mean, it's, it seems pretty clear that
41:43
that's her human connection, you know?
41:46
That it's her and her sister, and that, that's like all Darcy h- really had.
41:52
Ryan: Yeah.
41:52
Jon: never mention other family.
41:54
There's no indication that, that Darcy has a, a spouse or a significant other.
42:01
It seems like it's the antique shop and Danny.
42:06
Ryan: I feel like that's alluded in the beginning too when she wants
42:09
her to come over for dinner and
42:11
Jon: Mm-hmm.
42:11
Ryan: trying to
42:12
Kearns: He
42:16
Ryan: and Danny's just like, "No, we should have her
42:18
over. She's alone and stuff."
42:22
Jon: Yeah.
42:23
Yeah.
42:24
And, you know, Ted is largely opposed to Darcy ever coming to that
42:28
house, and then Darcy just shows.
42:32
Like, "Nah,
42:33
Ryan: he
42:34
Jon: I'm coming anyway."
42:35
Ryan: invited her kind-
42:36
Jon: Yeah, kind of.
42:39
In, in, you know, in the, in the sort of way you invite s- anybody you
42:43
don't really wanna come over, over.
42:45
Like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, when everything sort of clears up, we'll have you over."
42:51
You know, the
42:52
Kearns: Boy, should put an end to putting on airs and, and
42:55
formalities like that, being nice.
42:58
No, just say
42:58
Jon: Absolutely.
43:00
Absolutely.
43:01
Kearns: anymore.
43:02
Ha.
43:04
Jon: Nah, you know what?
43:06
It, I don't want you to come to my house.
43:08
The, uh, there's nothing there for you.
43:11
I'll send you your sister's things and...
43:14
Ryan: This is, you know, of strawberries.
43:17
Kearns: Pours her ashes all over her items and ships them in a trunk.
43:21
Can we talk about the fact that they live in a castle real quick?
43:26
Like, who has a stone house?
43:28
Jon: That place is awesome.
43:29
Ryan: beautiful.
43:31
Jon: awesome.
43:32
Kearns: awesome.
43:33
Jon: Mm-hmm.
43:34
Oh, definitely.
43:36
Ryan: you think, mm, I mean, how much oil you think?
43:40
Jon: That place is cold in July.
43:44
Ryan: Which is
43:44
Jon: Yeah, it,
43:45
Kearns: know
43:46
Jon: it's 100...
43:46
Kearns: how...
43:47
Jon: That's the kind of place that's cold all the time.
43:51
Kearns: How do you keep it-- Yeah, how do you keep it from being drafty?
43:54
Jon: Mm-hmm.
43:54
Kearns: don't know.
43:55
And the vaulted ceilings and stuff too.
43:58
Yes.
43:59
Let's get some reviews.
44:00
I wanna see what other people thought about this Irish gem.
44:03
Jon: All right.
44:04
We,
44:04
Kearns: gem
44:05
Jon: we can...
44:06
Ryan: Can we, can we do bad reviews first?
44:08
'Cause,
44:09
Jon: Do you wanna do the bad ones first?
44:11
Ryan: hear what people negatively said about this, 'cause I feel like
44:16
nothing really negative Not saying it's a five out of five, but I
44:19
don't feel like it's not, it's not a bad movie to deserve a negative,
44:23
Jon: Mm-hmm.
44:23
Ryan: star or a
44:25
Jon: Okay.
44:25
Kearns: a nostalgia
44:26
Jon: Okay.
44:26
Kearns: reminds me in a way of like Sinister and how it
44:29
pulls off something that you
44:30
Jon: Mm-hmm.
44:31
Kearns: in a while, and I
44:31
Jon: Mm-hmm.
44:32
Kearns: feeling watching a
44:33
Jon: Yep.
44:33
Yep.
44:34
So this is 96% with the critics
44:38
Ryan: Cool.
44:41
Jon: audience, and as Ryan requested, we'll start with the one star.
44:45
We'll start with the half star.
44:47
Ryan: Oh,
44:49
Jon: half star.
44:51
This was one of the dumbest, most boring horror movies I've seen in a while.
44:57
Just stupid.
45:00
I did not find this scary in the least.
45:03
While I cared absolutely nothing for the main characters, it was
45:06
still easy to predict the outcome.
45:09
I found the Golem to be a needless plot driver that made me laugh.
45:14
He sat at the dinner table like a fuming Pinocchio with his dumb mouth
45:20
wide open, like he's trying to swallow an extra large 12-inch sub from
45:26
Harris Teeter on cheap sub Mondays.
45:30
Kearns: Whoa, guys.
45:34
Jon: This movie sucked, and in no way lives up to the hype.
45:40
Please avoid at all costs.
45:44
Go see Black Phone 2 instead.
45:47
Ryan: Re-really?
45:49
Kearns: now we know the real agenda.
45:50
The real agenda is to drive people to Blackphone 2.
45:56
Oh, man.
45:58
Jon: Yeah.
46:00
That's a rough one.
46:01
Kearns: That's-- That was a tough one.
46:02
Yeah, I'm glad we got that out of the way early.
46:05
Jon: Mm-hmm.
46:05
Well, here y-
46:06
Ryan: on that.
46:07
That would've been horrible.
46:09
Jon: here's the one star.
46:11
Absolute dialogue and actions that would never exist.
46:15
I'd excuse that if it was fun, but not at all.
46:20
Elephant in the room?
46:21
How about a lifelike dummy?
46:25
Let's sh-- He's missing?
46:28
No reception?
46:30
Dude, if there is a noise in the house, you go outside.
46:34
I want a realistic movie where there is a haunting and the family goes
46:39
outside in the street, calls the cops.
46:43
Viewers learn this.
46:44
Lean into the investigation.
46:48
Blind people have third s- third senses.
46:51
Why call the police when you can call anyone and everyone else?
46:59
Kearns: guess there you have it.
47:01
Ryan: just call the police.
47:02
It's okay.
47:03
Jon: Call the police.
47:05
Kearns: the police against magical creatures and stuff.
47:07
You've seen the
47:08
Jon: Mm. Yeah.
47:10
Kearns: mad at you
47:11
Jon: You're only supposed to call the cops when you see Tupac.
47:20
Kearns: I mean, that technically would be a magical creature now, wouldn't it?
47:22
Ryan: Yep.
47:23
Jon: Uh, yeah.
47:23
Well, maybe.
47:24
Depe- it depends if you believe he's dead or not
47:27
Ryan: Do you
47:27
Kearns: I,
47:28
Ryan: dead?
47:29
Jon: Yes, I do.
47:31
Yeah.
47:32
Kearns: peeled him
47:32
Jon: Yeah.
47:34
Yeah.
47:35
Ryan: Yeah.
47:36
Jon: All right, so let, let's end on a, on a positive five-star review.
47:41
Ryan: Five
47:41
Kearns: Okie dokie.
47:43
Jon: "One of the best horrors I've seen in a long time.
47:46
Tense, atmospheric, and has a few scares that really got me.
47:52
And as a horror fan, I usually see these jump scare from mile away.
47:57
100% recommended if you're into horror."
48:02
Kearns: a great
48:03
Jon: Mm-hmm.
48:04
Kearns: movie.
48:05
Jon: Yeah.
48:06
Kearns: what do you think it deserves?
48:07
Ryan: I think it deserves four out of five stars.
48:12
It's
48:12
Kearns: That s- seems reasonable to me.
48:14
Ryan: a five out of five.
48:15
I believe, like, with Holcomb coming out, he's grown as a director, he's
48:21
grown as a writer, and I would hope that would be the five out of five.
48:25
He'll probably be a 4.5 out of five he's still working up.
48:29
But Oddity hits all the points.
48:31
It's suspenseful.
48:32
The music's great.
48:34
I do enjoy the writing.
48:36
You know, the characters are good.
48:37
You know who's good.
48:38
You know who's bad.
48:39
You know the agenda.
48:41
It, works, and I can't wait to see more from him after Holcomb 'cause I
48:47
Kearns: Good job.
48:47
Really
48:47
Jon: Mm-hmm.
48:47
Kearns: job.
48:48
Ryan: going, he's really going into, like, the folklore and a lot
48:53
of the old stories, which I like.
48:54
Kearns: It was nice, it's nice to see that
48:59
Ryan: the music and the suspense.
49:01
Like, a
49:01
Jon: Mm-hmm.
49:04
Ryan: or gory be suspenseful or to be scary.
49:08
It's c- always... Or it can always be in the music or just what the characters
49:13
are doing or what's going on in the background, and he does nail it.
49:19
Kearns: there's hope for these newer directors and writers to be able to
49:26
bring that- pay homage to the old style of horror, um, but in a modern day.
49:31
And I thought it was gonna die.
49:33
About 10 years ago, I really did think that we didn't have much
49:35
hope for any great filmmaking in the future in the way that it
49:39
Jon: Mm-hmm.
49:39
Kearns: what's it going to-- what's the evolution gonna look like?
49:42
This, if it's this, that's great.
49:45
Um, it's a little thin for me as far as how deep things go, but
49:51
Jon: Mm-hmm.
49:52
Kearns: It doesn't have to be deep, and this kind of proves that.
49:55
I like movies that go deeper, but it doesn't need to.
49:57
It, it throws a golem at you.
49:58
It throws an evil eye at you.
49:59
It's like, "Witchcraft is real," and, you know, it, it goes in that direction,
50:04
and you just-- Once you realize that, as long as you shut yourself up and just
50:07
enjoy the movie, it's a great watch.
50:09
Four out of five is what I give it, too.
50:11
I think it was just a great time.
50:13
Welcome surprise.
50:14
Jon: Yeah.
50:15
Yeah.
50:15
Wow.
50:16
This never happens, guys, but I- I'm, I'm gonna say it's a four also.
50:22
Ryan: Yeah, this
50:23
Jon: We, we-- Yeah, we never all agree
50:26
Ryan: do this.
50:27
Kearns: What you
50:29
Jon: but yeah, I mean, for the reasons you guys said, it, you know,
50:32
it, it's not a fully unique vision.
50:36
You can pick up some notes of some other stuff.
50:39
But the way McCarthy pulls it all together, he then pulls these
50:43
ideas in and makes it work, and then pays it off at the end.
50:49
You know, y- you get that, you get that flash at the end where
50:52
Ted's gonna get away with it.
50:54
That, you know, Darcy's dead, Yana moved out, Ivan is hospitalized and likely
51:01
to stay in some sort of either prison or mental facility for the rest of his
51:08
life, and Ted's just sort of being Ted.
51:12
And, you know, it's the final development of the character of this
51:17
guy who he thinks he knows more than everybody, and he has to ring that bell.
51:23
And that, that's, that's where it gets that fourth, the four stars for me, is
51:26
just wrapping it up tightly like that.
51:29
Like the messages and stuff, that's fine 'cause, I mean, like, you know,
51:34
if you, if you love Romero, like, you... There's messages in everything
51:39
he's ever done, you know, whether...
51:42
Kearns: to like keep it so that you don't make the message the movie.
51:46
Jon: Yeah.
51:47
Kearns: the part.
51:47
You've gotta remember to story tell, and like Ryan was saying, like getting
51:51
so in-- like pulled into like the, the cuts and the lighting and the sound and
51:55
Jon: Yeah.
51:56
Kearns: pieces and stuff, if you remember the fundamentals of telling
51:59
a story and you have the talent,
52:01
Ryan: Yep.
52:01
Kearns: those
52:01
Jon: Mm-hmm.
52:02
Kearns: to it, and then the message is like that beautiful layer on top,
52:05
and when it's done right, you feel it.
52:07
Um, I, just kinda like feel like that's the key to being happy
52:13
and watching it too, like you're saying, not to overanalyze.
52:16
But it's so hard once you become in the know.
52:19
Like, like Ryan, I stopped reading for a long time.
52:22
I was reading like 30 books a year, I s-
52:24
Jon: Mm-hmm.
52:25
Kearns: I started like thinking about it all the time, it fucking
52:28
Ryan: Yeah.
52:28
Kearns: have any appeal to me whatsoever to read anymore.
52:31
Ryan: You c- you, you kinda like, it's not falling out of love, it's just
52:33
like you need the break, and it hurt
52:35
Kearns: Yeah.
52:36
Ryan: like uh, I'm behind on a lot of sh- movies because of it, because it's like
52:42
I just like... It helped me, but it also
52:45
Jon: Mm-hmm,
52:46
Ryan: because it's like I went to see Inception with a date.
52:50
She fell asleep, and I'm there like watching it, analyzing it like, are
52:55
we doing here?" Like the thimble in this, and what dream are we in, and
52:59
Jon: mm-hmm.
53:00
Ryan: And you know what?
53:02
That leads us into our top five for tonight.
53:05
And our top five, or at least for me, films that are suspenseful, that
53:12
make me jump, and have stuck with me.
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And I know this list is gonna keep changing, but talking with
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Jada, and to start it off, it's a movie that we actually watch.
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It's to find.
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It, it used to be on Netflix, and then they removed it, and I think
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I recommended it to you guys, uh, last year, and then they removed it.
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It's a movie called Ghostland.
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We'll start it off.
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It's about a, uh, a mother and two daughters.
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They're traveling to, uh, a house that they inherited, and they run
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into this candy truck, and this candy truck is this, ah, it's, it's
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interesting person driving the truck.
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I, I can't really describe, but the big guy with her or him is a big baby-ish
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person, and they're serial killers.
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And what happens is they put these two girls and the mom through so much trauma.
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The mom dies, and the sisters are rescued.
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But throughout the whole movie, you get the suspense of going
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back and forth between their trauma as well as the current time
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what is real and what is unreal?
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And that's how I'm going to leave it because I don't want to spoil anything.
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There's a lot of curves and twists, and it's definitely a good watch, which
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leads to my number four, which I will definitely spoil, and that's Joyride.
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Chris Walker, you know, sorry, Paul Walker, Steve Zahn, Leelee
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Sobieski, directed by John
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: It's an enjoyable ride.
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You got Ted Levine, too, as, like, the voice of the main killer.
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I want to say Sea Bass.
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It's not Sea Bass.
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That's the guy from Dumb and Dumber.
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It's Rusty Nail.
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It's a movie.
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I always get suspense.
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I've seen it a million times, but, tractor trailers are scary.
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You know, since the days of, oh, we just talked about it the
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other week, Maximum Overdrive.
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Trucks scare me.
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And now to have, like, someone, a human behind the truck doing all this chaos,
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it's like suspense after suspense.
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And that leads into number three, Death Proof.
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Kurt Russell, Rosario Dawson.
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You got a whole list.
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McGowan, Zoe Bell.
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I mean, it starts off fast-paced.
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Kurt Russell plays Stuntman Mike.
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He's a killer stuntman with a killer car, basically does all his killing.
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But the suspense really builds up in the last 30 minutes of the film
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when we have this insane car chase with Zoe Bell on the hood of the car.
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And she's a real stuntwoman.
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Tarantino directed and written.
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how he shoots it where you see her almost flying off, grasping the car.
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You're at the edge of your seat because you don't know what's going to happen.
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Is she going to
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Kearns: Right.
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Ryan: not going to make it?
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And just all over the place.
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But number two, I mean, over the place too with it.
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And that's The Hitcher.
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Rucker Hauer, C. Thomas Howell.
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I just watched it for the first time, I think it was last year.
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And on the edge of my seat.
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I didn't expect anything.
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And, I mean, I was rooting for Rucker Hauer.
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I'm a Rucker Hauer fan, even though he's sadistic in it.
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just like, what is he going to do next?
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How is he going to put C. Thomas Howell more danger, into more terror?
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And you're like, to see more.
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And that leads to my number one, the top of the suspense films.
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And that's John Carpenter's The Thing.
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You're on the edge of your seat for the entire movie.
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You don't know who's who.
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You know, a great film.
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I know we're going to be covering it.
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I got to wave my flag for The Thing.
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I love it.
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That's my top
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Jon: Nice.
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Kearns: one.
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One of the best.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: Hey, y'all.
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Kearns: Cliffhanger ending masterclass.
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Ryan: Listen, John showed me a nice Mac Ready figure today, action figure.
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I might, I might do it.
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He
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Jon: You should.
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Ryan: it.
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Jon: You should.
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Ryan: He's got the whiskey in
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Kearns: Nice
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Ryan: But what's your top five?
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What is your
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Jon: Well, I took my top five inspiration from "The Bell and the Wooden Man" and
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I went with top five cursed objects.
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Ryan: Ooh.
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Jon: I'm, gonna preface this with I went a little deeper than, you know,
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again, "Evil Dead", "Hellraiser", you know, things where they're... The, the
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more mainstream ones I mostly avoided.
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Ryan: Okay.
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Jon: So my number five is gonna be a cursed car tire, and it's rubber
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Ryan: Yes.
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That got referenced a couple days ago.
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Jon: yeah.
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Uh, so Rubber is Quentin Dupieux's absurd killer tire movie, and
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it's one of the strangest movies you'll ever find for no reason.
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a cursed tire rolls around the desert on a murderous rampage for no reason,
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while spectators watch to watch the film that is being... they believe to
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be being made out of a murderous tire.
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the tire has psychokinetic powers and it, you know, makes things blow up and die.
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S- you know, it's right up there.
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Ryan: That's everything you want out of a rubber.
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Jon: Yeah, a little Scanners, a little, little Maximum
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Overdrive, I guess, it's a tire.
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Um,
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Kearns: tire.
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Jon: but he, he... Yeah, it's really not mu- like much you've ever seen.
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As... It's, yeah.
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Uh, number four we're gonna go with really, really early, uh, Guillermo
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del Toro, and that's Cronos.
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Ryan: Ooh, Cronosis, that's a good film.
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Jon: Mm. This is one we could do, we could do a lot of the history around it, too.
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as the Inquisition spreads to the New World, an alchemist creates a device
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called Cronos that can grant eternal life.
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400 years later, an antiques dealer comes into possession of the statue that houses
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the device and begins to feel its effects.
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Before long, others want to gain possession for themselves.
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Ryan: You wanna know something?
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Someone categorized it as somewhat of a vampire film, I can
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: it, but I can't, if that makes
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Jon: I mean,
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Ryan: the scarab.
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Jon: I mean, the, the, the eternal life thing, too.
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Like that's, you know, eternal life, vampires, that's very vampiric.
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Kearns: vampires,
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Jon: Eh.
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Kearns: does it suck the life out of anything to stay alive
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or to, to make you live?
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Do you vampirize?
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It's not really...
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Jon: It's... It, it's a similar world, I think, maybe, but it's not.
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Kearns: Not quite there.
1:00:12
Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: goes right to, you know, the Titan and all that time,
1:00:16
Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: life, good stuff.
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Jon: my number three I don't think we will confuse for a vampire movie
1:00:23
in any way, shape, or form, and it- John Carpenter's showing up in my
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top five tonight, and it's Christine.
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Kearns: Nice.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: Carpentry King.
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Jon: yeah, John Carpenter, Stephen King adaptation.
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A cursed 1958 red Plymouth Fury, uh, 21 years after its fatal beginning
1:00:43
Arnie acquires Christine and begins to restore the car, all the while
1:00:48
transforming himself as he does the car, which then goes on a murderous
1:00:54
rampage, eliminating any threats.
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Ryan: I like
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Kearns: That's a pretty cool...
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Jon: Christine's a good movie.
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Ryan: I, I feel like it's such an interesting pick for John Carpenter
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out of all the Stephen King novels.
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Like, imagine him
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:01:09
Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: of the Corn
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Kearns: That would've been cool.
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Ryan: of, like,
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Jon: Yeah,
1:01:13
Ryan: the Damned, you know?
1:01:15
Jon: I b- I would've liked to have seen that instead of Village of the Damned.
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I'm not a fan of Village of the Damned.
1:01:24
Ryan: Really?
1:01:26
Jon: yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:01:28
Yeah.
1:01:29
Ryan: Okay.
1:01:29
Kearns: I'll say The Damned was cool for the first three and a half minutes.
1:01:32
Ryan: I
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:01:33
Ryan: yeah,
1:01:34
Jon: And it, it, it's also, it's also, like, remake-y, and the original black
1:01:39
and white one was creepier, I thought.
1:01:42
Ryan: Fair on that.
1:01:43
Thought the kids were creepier too.
1:01:45
Jon: Yeah, and that's what it is.
1:01:47
The kids have to be creepier for that movie to work, and
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the original was creepier.
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my number two is an also a movie that got remade.
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It's a cursed VHS tape.
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It's Ringu, the Japanese original version of The Ring.
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Kearns: Which I did watch back in the day.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:02:09
Kearns: I feel cool
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Jon: Yep.
1:02:11
Kearns: watching Ringu.
1:02:13
Jon: Right?
1:02:13
Like, it's kind of fun to be able to say, "All right, that's the American version,
1:02:17
but did you see the Japanese one?"
1:02:20
Ryan: I
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Kearns: It was, it's like very Brooklyn of you, like, "Oh, yeah,
1:02:23
Jon: yeah.
1:02:24
Kearns: that?"
1:02:25
Ryan: was a Japanese version.
1:02:27
Jon: You didn't know Ring was a Japanese...
1:02:29
Ryan: I
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Jon: A remake of a Japanese movie?
1:02:31
Ryan: I
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Jon: No.
1:02:33
Ryan: The Grudge was Japanese, but I
1:02:34
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:02:35
Ryan: like, an American answer.
1:02:37
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:02:38
Ryan: that's
1:02:38
Jon: No, no, R- yeah.
1:02:40
The R-
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Kearns: off Japanese stuff left and right
1:02:43
Jon: yeah, yeah.
1:02:44
Kearns: era.
1:02:44
Jon: mean, the, the Japanese got so far down the grudge in Ring, uh, Ringu
1:02:51
ju online that they had a crossover movie with the two spirits facing off.
1:02:56
Ryan: I wanna see that.
1:02:58
Jon: It was on Shudder for a while.
1:03:01
Kearns: sci-fi version right there if I've ever heard one.
1:03:03
Jon: anyway, after the death of f- after the des- death of her niece, Reiko, a
1:03:07
reporter, sets out to find out the true cause of death, but watches the tape
1:03:13
herself, which puts her on a seven-day timer to solve the mystery of the tape and
1:03:19
save herself and her child who watches it.
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Kearns: That's the, the stakes get significantly higher
1:03:27
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:03:28
Yep.
1:03:29
Ryan: the-- the kid doesn't watch it in the American one, right?
1:03:33
Jon: No, I think the kid does
1:03:34
Kearns: the kid does see it in
1:03:36
Ryan: Okay.
1:03:36
Kearns: American one.
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She freaks out about it.
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We watched that movie at my buddy's house, actually the buddy
1:03:41
who lived on RFK's property then.
1:03:45
Might have to cut that out.
1:03:46
Don't wanna flip anybody out about that.
1:03:48
But, uh,
1:03:49
Jon: I mean, listen, listen, you and I grew up in an area where
1:03:52
that, you know, that was just there.
1:03:54
It wasn't, it's not a political...
1:03:56
Kearns: the guy.
1:03:57
to play, uh, manhunt with the guy.
1:03:59
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:03:59
Um,
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Kearns: It was wild.
1:04:01
Jon: I went to a fundraiser at that house.
1:04:03
Kearns: yeah.
1:04:04
Jon: Yeah.
1:04:04
Kearns: you remember like anything about the property at all?
1:04:06
There was a graveyard, but that was a little further back.
1:04:08
There was a
1:04:09
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:04:09
Kearns: where my buddy lived.
1:04:11
Real creepy looking spot at night, and we spent
1:04:13
Jon: Yeah.
1:04:13
Kearns: at that house at
1:04:14
Jon: Yeah, I wasn't there at night, but you, I, I can kinda see
1:04:17
where it would be creepy at night.
1:04:19
Kearns: We watched The Ring in his second story of his house, and in his
1:04:23
room that was the size of a closet, and
1:04:24
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:04:25
Kearns: left with the DVD in there, and we got... Like, we went to
1:04:30
get beer, came back to the house, and we pull in and it's blasting.
1:04:34
The volume is like two... Like maxed out, and we're just seeing all the light coming
1:04:40
out of the window of the room and hearing the sound from The Ring DVD frigging
1:04:44
menu, and we were just like, "Oh, no.
1:04:46
No, no,
1:04:47
Jon: Nope.
1:04:47
Kearns: There's
1:04:48
Jon: Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
1:04:49
Kearns: "All right, well, I'm gonna grab this 30 rack and we're gonna
1:04:51
walk up there." And so we did.
1:04:55
But we still can't explain why, why it was so loud.
1:04:57
We can figure why the menu would start.
1:04:59
DVD players did that all the time, the volume being maxed.
1:05:03
Maybe a cat like stepped on a remote or something.
1:05:05
Ryan: The, all the volume, the, for the DVD menus were always
1:05:08
louder than the actual DVD itself.
1:05:11
Kearns: I mean, maxed out on the TV.
1:05:13
Like, no way we were watching it at that volume.
1:05:16
Yeah.
1:05:18
It was...
1:05:18
Ryan: don't...
1:05:20
Kearns: the creeps thinking about it.
1:05:22
It was one of those good memories where it's like, I don't
1:05:23
know if I wanna do this, man.
1:05:25
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:05:26
Ryan: Do we get the 30-rack?
1:05:27
All right, let's go.
1:05:29
Kearns: Let's get up there and just die, I guess.
1:05:31
Ryan: Seven days.
1:05:33
Kearns: Is that your
1:05:34
Jon: Yeah.
1:05:34
Kearns: one?
1:05:35
Jon: No, that was number two.
1:05:36
My number one is a Dutch masterpiece called "The Lift."
1:05:42
Ryan: The
1:05:43
Kearns: the lift.
1:05:44
Jon: Yeah.
1:05:45
Kearns: heard of it.
1:05:45
What a-
1:05:46
Ryan: neither.
1:05:48
Jon: in Dick Maas' "The Lift," the cursed object is something many people fear.
1:05:54
Yeah, I know.
1:05:55
I know Dick Maas.
1:05:57
Kearns: I mean, we could go, we could do a whole episode on that name.
1:06:00
Jon: Uh, we should be doing episodes on some of his movies too.
1:06:04
Kearns: collects no moss.
1:06:06
You
1:06:06
Jon: Yeah, yeah.
1:06:09
Yeah.
1:06:09
So the cursed object i-in "The Lift" is something that pe- something that people
1:06:16
fear in e-everyday life to begin with
1:06:19
Ryan: The elevator?
1:06:19
Jon: elevators.
1:06:20
It's elevators, yep.
1:06:22
Um, after numerous incidents including the decapitation of a security guard,
1:06:28
a repairman is called in, but he is unable to identify the problem.
1:06:33
As the elevator continues its spree, the repairman is joined
1:06:38
by a reporter to investigate the company that built the elevator.
1:06:42
Ryan: Okay, so is it a super electronic elevator?
1:06:47
Jon: It's just an everyday, you know, luxury building a p- a building elevator.
1:06:53
Ryan: Thinking of a season one episode of "The X-Files" with a similar concept.
1:06:57
When was the movie made?
1:06:59
Jon: Before "The X-Files".
1:07:00
Ryan: That says... Okay, so "The X-Files"
1:07:02
Jon: It was '80s, yeah.
1:07:05
Ryan: It sounds like a good concept, but I'm wondering if it's,
1:07:07
like, computer or demon, but...
1:07:13
Jon: You'll have to watch.
1:07:14
There's also an American remake of this.
1:07:17
Ryan: Devil?
1:07:18
Jon: No, I forgot... It's something, it's another play on elevators in the title.
1:07:25
And it's also Dick Maas, he did the American remake too.
1:07:29
Ryan: Oh, that's cool.
1:07:30
So he, Dick Moss remade his own film.
1:07:33
Jon: Yeah.
1:07:34
Yeah.
1:07:34
Ryan: that's- it's rare when directors do that.
1:07:37
Hitchcock did that.
1:07:39
Jon: even weirder, it just dawned on me because he remade it with Naomi Watts,
1:07:44
Ryan: Huh.
1:07:45
Jon: who was in "The Ring" remake.
1:07:47
Kearns: Yeah, just gonna say, that was one of her claim to fame
1:07:50
Jon: Yeah.
1:07:50
Yeah, that didn't occur to me until just now.
1:07:54
Ryan: Dick Moss.
1:07:55
Kearns: Ooh, Dick Moss.
1:07:57
Jon: Dick Maas.
1:08:00
Yeah.
1:08:01
Ryan: That's a lot of
1:08:02
Jon: I figured you guys would enjoy the name too.
1:08:04
Kearns: be our number one.
1:08:05
Yeah,
1:08:06
Jon: Dutch master.
1:08:07
Kearns: both...
1:08:07
Jon: Dutch, Dutch master Dick Maas.
1:08:12
Kearns: That is Oddity, everybody.
1:08:14
Jon: That is.
1:08:15
Kearns: you haven't seen Dick Moss, I mean Oddity, get out there and see it
1:08:19
Ryan: Definitely watch
1:08:20
Kearns: for sure.
1:08:21
Ryan: Come on.
1:08:23
Jon: it, it, it's on, what?
1:08:25
Hulu and Disney?
1:08:26
Ryan: Yep.
1:08:27
Kearns: Yeah, easily accessible.
1:08:28
Well, 20 bucks a month now for Disney Plus.
1:08:30
We have to talk about it.
1:08:32
All right, guys.
1:08:32
Well, everybody, before we end up getting canceled, let's finish the episode.
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That was Oddity, everybody.
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Hope you enjoyed.
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Ryan: Have a good one, guys.
1:08:42
Jon: Hey, ya