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What To Eat - and NOT Eat - To Prevent Cancer · I Do, Part 2

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. I
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Speaker 1: think most of you know that it's October and that
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Speaker 1: means it is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and certainly we
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Speaker 1: have devoted some time talking about this very important time
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Speaker 1: of year. It's a reminder to women and men everywhere
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Speaker 1: to make sure they put their health first, to make
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Speaker 1: and keep those doctor's appointments, and certainly some of the
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Speaker 1: directives coming out of this month have changed and saved lives.
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Speaker 1: Present party included, I absolutely credit this month to saving
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Speaker 1: my life and for me actually being here because I
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Speaker 1: got my mammogram on October first, twelve years ago, which
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Speaker 1: led to a breast cancer diagnosis, and I am thankfully
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Speaker 1: right now cancer free, and I attribute that to the
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Speaker 1: awareness that this month raises. Our next guest is a
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Speaker 1: huge proponent of not just being in the cancer field,
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Speaker 1: but absolutely empowering men and women everywhere in preventative ways
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Speaker 1: and certainly in the care of the cancer regimen, maybe
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Speaker 1: outside of normal or your typical physician led way where
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Speaker 1: she actually has done the research. She has walked the
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Speaker 1: walk to figure out how to give all sorts of
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Speaker 1: types of care to folks who are walking down that road.
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Speaker 1: Her name is doctor Stacy Stevenson. She is an internationally
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Speaker 1: recognized physician, a best selling author, and a leader in
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Speaker 1: what I didn't really know this term, functional and integrative medicine.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Stacy, thank you for being with us today.
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Speaker 2: I am really really happy to be here. Your story
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Speaker 2: is so inspiring. And twelve years later, I don't know
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Speaker 2: if anybody could hear me, I was back here screaming
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Speaker 2: and clapping, but I didn't want to talk too much
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Speaker 2: over you, but I was clapping. Twelve years that's just
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Speaker 2: fabulous and cheers to one hundred more for you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Stacey. And TJ has been a huge
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Speaker 1: part of being It's taught to be the care giver
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Speaker 1: or at least the support of partner along the way
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Speaker 1: in some of these And when you get to cancer
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Speaker 1: diagnosis isn't just for a year or for a few
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Speaker 1: months while you're being treated. It is a lifetime. And
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Speaker 1: so I know you focus on that as well, because
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Speaker 1: everyone in the house.
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Speaker 2: Is impacted, well everyone. I don't know if TJ wants
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Speaker 2: to comment on that, but I bet he would say
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Speaker 2: everyone is impacted in the house. Just any type of
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Speaker 2: illness impacts your entire family, right any big dietary change,
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Speaker 2: any type of disease, from mental health to any forms
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Speaker 2: of physical health truly impact the entire family. But I'd
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Speaker 2: love to hear TJ's position, But personally, what we hear
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Speaker 2: the most in our families that we work with is
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Speaker 2: that it's just absolutely terrifying for the caregivers because there's
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Speaker 2: just a true out of control, feeling no control, don't
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Speaker 2: know what tomorrow is going to bring. You want to
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Speaker 2: be strong, You want to be there for your partner,
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Speaker 2: your brother, your sister, your mom, dad, whomever, and you
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Speaker 2: kind of have to carry the entire burden, it feels like,
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Speaker 2: all by yourself so that the person who's suffering can
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Speaker 2: be their absolute best. What was your experience, TJ?
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Speaker 3: Well, no, this is all I didn't go through it, right.
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Speaker 4: I only been together now three plus years, so I
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Speaker 4: didn't go through some of that stuff A lot of.
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Speaker 3: Family members do.
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Speaker 4: So I'm here and thinks they're smiling, it's going to
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Speaker 4: check up every six months and got a cansroversary to celebrate.
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Speaker 4: So I certainly wouldn't put myself in some of the
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Speaker 4: categories of a lot of families. When you made me
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Speaker 4: think of something, here do you find often that it
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Speaker 4: is a family member or a friend that ends up
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Speaker 4: being the one who encourages someone to get into that
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Speaker 4: Mamma Van to get into the doctor for the screenings.
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Speaker 4: Or is this something where a lot of women now
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Speaker 4: know to take it up on themselves and they take
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Speaker 4: responsibility for their health on this one, you.
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Speaker 2: Know what, I think October? You bring up October has
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Speaker 2: just really increased awareness, just like we hoped it would,
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Speaker 2: And women in general have this white hot spotlight on
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Speaker 2: cancer in general, which then spreads into the rest of
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Speaker 2: the family, which I think is wonderful. They are parts
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Speaker 2: of me at sometimes that think, Okay, it's not just
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Speaker 2: about breast cancer in October, although I love that celebrating women,
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Speaker 2: It's also about cancer prevention. I think about prostate cancer
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Speaker 2: hand in hand with breast cancer. But your question is
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Speaker 2: a very good one. Do I think women are taking
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Speaker 2: it upon themselves or do I think we've done a
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Speaker 2: good job of our campaigning. I think it's all of
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Speaker 2: the above. It very commonly is a friend or family
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Speaker 2: member that really encourages people. Physicians have become much more
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Speaker 2: intentional and intensive about making sure people get their screenings.
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Speaker 2: We have improved accessibility, and that is Norman enormous access
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Speaker 2: in general has improved across the world and in all
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Speaker 2: different cultures. Getting early detection used to be very much
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Speaker 2: a Western medicine construct. In other words, the United States,
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Speaker 2: North America, you know, Western Europe was more advanced in
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Speaker 2: getting screenings. Other countries around the world with sort of
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Speaker 2: lesser lesser economic power, were just waiting for people to
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Speaker 2: become symptomatic. More commonly, they weren't getting their screenings. With
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Speaker 2: the advent of mammograms getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper
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Speaker 2: and more available and more available in this sprawl out
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Speaker 2: into all communities, all cultures throughout the world, and the
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Speaker 2: education has improved immensely for prevention, and candidly that prevention
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Speaker 2: is critical in those underserved communities and the you know,
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Speaker 2: the communities internationally that have less economic power, it's even
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Speaker 2: more critical to get screening because the treatment will be
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Speaker 2: less invasive when the person, when the lady needs the treatment,
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Speaker 2: it will be easier to access because the woman won't
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Speaker 2: need secondary and tertiary centers, which'll be able to be
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Speaker 2: treated closer to home. So everybody wins with early detection
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Speaker 2: and prevention no matter what your economic status, no matter
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Speaker 2: what your age, no matter where you live, and mammograms
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Speaker 2: are a key that has unlocked that because the entire
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Speaker 2: international healthcare community has done a really good job of
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Speaker 2: spreading that word, and then we focus it intensely in
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Speaker 2: October and you know, campaign to grab your mom, grab
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Speaker 2: your sister, grab your friend, you know, go get your screenings.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's been just a compilation of a
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Speaker 2: decade of intensive health focus on this matter. And it
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Speaker 2: has been women leading the charge originally, but I think
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Speaker 2: everybody's gotten on it over time. Who doesn't have a
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Speaker 2: mom's sister and friends. I mean, you know, we're fifty
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Speaker 2: to fifty ladies and mass We're all in it.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, babe, because having been with me now for
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Speaker 1: three years and seeing my focus and my concerns sometimes
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Speaker 1: when little things get scary in a way that they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have otherwise had I not had cancer, Have you
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Speaker 1: taken your health more seriously? Have you been more willing
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Speaker 1: to make those doctor's appointments, to get the blood work done,
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Speaker 1: to focus on your diet. Has it changed anything for
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Speaker 1: you just to see?
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Speaker 3: No, because I will have its dire at the end
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Speaker 3: of the day, I'm still to do.
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Speaker 4: And if it ain't doctor, you know this, If it
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Speaker 4: ain't broken, ain't bleeding, I ain't going to the doctor.
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Speaker 3: Is that fairly simple?
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Speaker 4: Even though I'm forty eight and pretty healthy, I haven't
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Speaker 4: had any major issues to put me on edge. I
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Speaker 4: don't want to have one. But your question, no, not really?
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Speaker 4: Do you find doctor still in the family front here
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Speaker 4: for a second, do you find that some family members
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Speaker 4: end up getting sick? I mean finding themselves that they're
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Speaker 4: not taking care of themselves doesn't mean they at least
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Speaker 4: to something like cancer. But do we have to be careful?
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Speaker 4: Would you give that warning to a lot of family members?
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Speaker 4: Make sure during these times you also are taking care
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Speaker 4: of yourself as you're trying to focus on the health
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Speaker 4: of your love, the one who has just been diagnosed.
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Speaker 2: Possibly, oh absolutely critically. And now I'm gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: slightly yell at you to go start getting all of
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Speaker 2: your screenings doing it.
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Speaker 1: So, yes, I mean, really, it's telling doesn't work.
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Speaker 2: You have to give a carot, you know, he has
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Speaker 2: to treat, he has to have a motivation. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a bottle of line. I don't know. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: definitely give a treat, have to give a little sweet
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Speaker 2: with this hour. But that being said, yes, family members
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Speaker 2: are at great risk because they are taking on the stress.
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Speaker 2: They are maybe managing the appointments, taking care of transportation,
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Speaker 2: worried about finances. We haven't even talked about finances during
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Speaker 2: a cancer diagnosis. Most many, many times household income drops
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Speaker 2: dramatically or is affected dramatically throughout cancer treatment and cancer recovery.
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Speaker 2: That affects the person who is bringing home the finances
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Speaker 2: to the family immensely, and that sets that person up
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Speaker 2: for typically more chronic type illnesses, autoimm illnesses, obesity, diabetes,
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Speaker 2: cardiac disease. And remember these are hitting families oftentimes. Whereas
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Speaker 2: you might have been susceptible amy to breast cancer, well,
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Speaker 2: your partner at the time or a caretaker or a
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Speaker 2: family member, that person might have been more susceptible to diabetes,
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Speaker 2: for example, And due to all of that stress and
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Speaker 2: not eating well and not taking care of themselves. Oops,
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Speaker 2: two years after your cancer diagnosis, that person now has
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Speaker 2: a chronic disease that we see incredibly commonly, and you
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Speaker 2: can track it pretty It's pretty clear to track stress.
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Speaker 1: A lot of time right, Yeah, Yeah, you're stressed, and
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Speaker 1: you just go for what makes you feel good at
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Speaker 1: the time, not necessarily what's good for you to be doing.
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Speaker 1: You have spent much of your career focusing on the
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Speaker 1: root causes of these types of diseases, not just cancer,
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Speaker 1: but certainly cancer included not just treating the symptoms and
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Speaker 1: dealing with the treatment, but actually trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: what we all can do better.
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Speaker 2: And I know.
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Speaker 1: We have changed our diet TJ and I. We have
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Speaker 1: lowered our alcohol intake, we have done things that we
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Speaker 1: have been well. We've been deliberate about those choices given
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Speaker 1: all that we know now. But people talk about superfoods,
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Speaker 1: and they talk about gut health, and they talk there
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Speaker 1: are all of these other factors that you don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: hear about when you go to get your physical or
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Speaker 1: you go to your oncologist. But you have really focused
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Speaker 1: on those aspects of medicine that we don't hear enough
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Speaker 1: about it. And there are so many different competing views
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Speaker 1: it's hard to know what's true and what's not. Are
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Speaker 1: there go to things you can be eat that you
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Speaker 1: can be putting into your diet that can absolutely improve
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Speaker 1: your overall health. And prevent diseases like cancer.
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Speaker 2: Well, simple answer is yes, and I know that's probably
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the answer people want to
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Speaker 2: hear or not hear. But we are setting ourselves up
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Speaker 2: from the environmental exposures, from the nutritional exposures, from the
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Speaker 2: stress exposures, from the sugar, from the additives, from the
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Speaker 2: toxicity that is triggering our genome for sure, to express
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Speaker 2: these cancers at a much higher rate. Breast cancer rates
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Speaker 2: have gone up, unfortunately. Luckily though, survival rates have also
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Speaker 2: gone up. But I deeply believe that the rates of
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Speaker 2: overall cases are increasing for two reasons. One is the
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Speaker 2: detection that we were talking about. Hands down, we're detecting
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Speaker 2: more cases earlier. You can't ignore that. But step two
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Speaker 2: is we are increasingly having a poorer quality of food.
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Speaker 2: We have poor soil quality, We are nutritionally less and
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Speaker 2: less capable. Our macronutrient balance has been all over the map,
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Speaker 2: as you pointed out, from eat all carbohydrates to no
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Speaker 2: only eight fats to oh no, be a carnivore diet.
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Speaker 2: My god, I mean it just I could side here
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Speaker 2: for hours and do myth versus fact with you guys
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Speaker 2: on diets, but I think what and so that has
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Speaker 2: all become additive. Simple vitamin D deficiencies that are really
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Speaker 2: intense in the population, which sounds very surprising, trigger and
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Speaker 2: stimulate forms of cancer. Breast being one vitamin D is
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Speaker 2: critical in the prevention of prostate cancer as well. These
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Speaker 2: are vitamins that are also critical during the phase of
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Speaker 2: treating cancers as well. So there are some critical critical
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Speaker 2: nutrients that we are very aware. Magnesium, zinc, the trace
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Speaker 2: minerals are critical in both prevention and whilst we're being
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Speaker 2: treated both. I think most of the time it's oh,
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Speaker 2: my god, Doc, like, what diet should I do on
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Speaker 2: a regular daily basis that I that I can maintain.
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Speaker 2: Don't give me some crazy diet that's unrealistic. And the
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Speaker 2: best thing I could say there is my dream for
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Speaker 2: everybody would be more or less a gluten free dairy free.
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Speaker 2: I have my reasons for that. It doesn't mean you're
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Speaker 2: gluten sensitive necessarily, but there are a lot of reasons
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Speaker 2: that relate to that carbohydrate balance and also the the
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Speaker 2: the basically the genetic poor quality of the wheat that
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Speaker 2: we eat in this country. However, the eating things that
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Speaker 2: come from the ground like eating real food. Like if
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Speaker 2: I actually, you know what, if I could boil down
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Speaker 2: one piece, it would just say as little process food
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Speaker 2: as you possibly can. You know, it's kind of like
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Speaker 2: your mom said, eat your fruits, eat your vegetables, eat
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Speaker 2: the lean meats. Be smart. Quit eating the sugar. You know,
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Speaker 2: Cut the alcohol. Sorry, no, you guys have cut the alcohol.
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Speaker 2: That's right. It doesn't have to be to zero. Don't
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Speaker 2: be extreme. Don't be tempted by any of the super
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Speaker 2: extreme diets I mentioned one, you know, the carnivore concept.
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Speaker 2: A lot of them are just remixtures of diets that
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Speaker 2: have been around for a long time. Anyway, there's basically
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Speaker 2: no new news in our physiology, our biochemistry, or the
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Speaker 2: diet of human beings. There are new ways to package
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Speaker 2: it and make it sound sexy or interesting or new
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Speaker 2: or trendy or a fad. We haven't really learned anything
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Speaker 2: massively earth shattering about the need for your diet and
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Speaker 2: nutrition in a very long time. We just have to
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Speaker 2: keep teaching each other how to implement it. So I
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Speaker 2: don't like a lot of cow dairy in the diet
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Speaker 2: that much. I can say. People hate to hear that,
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Speaker 2: because everybody likes their cheese and it's easy, and most
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Speaker 2: women say, oh, but cottage cheese has protein, and Swiss
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Speaker 2: cheese has protein. And I like my yogurt and things
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Speaker 2: like this, but that is saturated animal fat also, so
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Speaker 2: I would I would limit my dairy. Uh, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: have to be zero, but that would be a favorite.
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Speaker 2: Remembering too that many dairy products are highly processed, so
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Speaker 2: the more you get out of the ground. You mentioned superfoods,
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Speaker 2: those are some of the faves. Some of them are
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Speaker 2: kind of hard to eat. I don't know how much
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Speaker 2: kale you can eat, but if you can do it,
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Speaker 2: do it. I do. And you know what another thing
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Speaker 2: about food, like I don't like all the superfoods and
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Speaker 2: foods that I recommend and that I eat. I admit it.
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Speaker 2: I don't like it all. I just do it. Like
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Speaker 2: are we grown ups? Just like I don't know, hold
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Speaker 2: your nose eat the broccoli. I don't know. I mean, really,
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Speaker 2: I didn't grow up on fish. I grew up in
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Speaker 2: the Midwest. We didn't eat a bunch. Yeah, I didn't
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Speaker 2: eat a bunch of salmon.
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Speaker 1: I have struggled with that, but I'd love that. You
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Speaker 1: just guess I grew up in the Midwest, moved stuff.
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Speaker 1: But yes, my whole all my family is from right
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Speaker 1: around where you are, and we did not grow up
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Speaker 1: with seafood. And I have struggled with that. And I
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Speaker 1: watched TJ just devour seafood and I'm jealous because it's
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Speaker 1: hard for me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can train your palette. We can. Adults have to. Literally,
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Speaker 2: I mean I've sat in front of patients a million
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Speaker 2: times and in the Midwest and their idea and this
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Speaker 2: is no disrespect. Okay. I grew up on like fish sticks,
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Speaker 2: do you remember that? Yeah, what I thought was fish
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Speaker 2: like in the box with the sticks fishmen.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Catholic. On Fridays, I went to the Catholic school
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Speaker 1: elementary school. We had fish stick Fridays, and I think
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Speaker 1: it continuded to my dislike of seafood.
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Speaker 2: That's so funny. And then I feel like, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: maybe once in a while, like bass from the lake
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Speaker 2: or something like that, Right, people fished and I didn't
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Speaker 2: know what you didn't know what the heck you were eating,
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Speaker 2: and kids don't like that stuff in But as a
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Speaker 2: grown up, just train your palette, and sometimes you're not
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Speaker 2: gonna like it all, Like I've taught myself how to
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Speaker 2: how to I may not love it, but how to
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Speaker 2: eat those quality fatty fishes. They're really really critical. They're
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Speaker 2: also really critical for your brain. That's got invatory. They're
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Speaker 2: incredibly important for your brain. All right, got a question,
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Speaker 2: I see it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to help me here, And well, I
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Speaker 4: know habits, bad habits are very very hard to break,
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Speaker 4: even though they're very easy to make. But you're sounding
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Speaker 4: like that so much resistance that people taking care of
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Speaker 4: their own health is simply I don't like how that
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Speaker 4: food tastes.
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Speaker 3: Are you?
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Speaker 4: Really do you find so much resistance as someone taking
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Speaker 4: care of themselves? Is that that argument? It doesn't sound
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Speaker 4: like one to be sympathetic to, like, Okay, you want
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Speaker 4: to be like this and risk a heart attack just
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Speaker 4: because you don't like asparagus?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: That kind of thing? Is that?
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Speaker 4: Really a massive challenge is getting people to get out
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Speaker 4: of a habit of just eating bad stuff.
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Speaker 2: Have you looked to do it? Have you seen the
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Speaker 2: rate of obesity in our country?
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Speaker 4: But Doc, we're told oftentimes that folks can't help it
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Speaker 4: because of this, they have this health problem, this health problem.
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Speaker 4: I often find that in the conversation. We're trying to
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Speaker 4: be sensitive, and I understand that, but so much often
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Speaker 4: is the responsibility is not lying at the feet of
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Speaker 4: that person who might be unhealthy. It's something else going on.
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Speaker 4: So I'm asking you, as a doctor, when you're in
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Speaker 4: that room with them, is it really sometimes that simple?
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Speaker 3: You can't get people to change something.
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Speaker 4: As simple as what you put in your mouth.
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Speaker 2: It's true, change is hard. These are ingrained habits. These
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Speaker 2: are habits that we grew up with. It tastes good,
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Speaker 2: it provides you pleasure and enjoyment. Also cost right, also
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Speaker 2: eat or speed you're shopping quickly, you don't have time
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Speaker 2: to go to the farmer's market. I'm telling you behind doors,
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Speaker 2: when you're when you're really speaking one on one to
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Speaker 2: a human being who's trying to change their health. No,
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Speaker 2: they don't just say okay, Doc, give me the list,
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Speaker 2: I'll eat all that stuff, great, no problem, then they
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Speaker 2: walk out the door. No, it's a successive approximation and
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Speaker 2: gradual learning. They need help, they need coaching. They know
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Speaker 2: you're kind of saying, come on, doctor, Stacy, why do
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Speaker 2: we need a clinical nutritionist or a functional medicine doctor
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Speaker 2: when we know to eat our broccoli. We know to
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Speaker 2: eat our kale, and we know to eat lean meats.
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Speaker 2: People do know. I think they know, they know the basics.
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Speaker 2: Most people know some base line, you know, fresh fruits
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Speaker 2: and vegetables. They want to know other specifics like what
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Speaker 2: oils should I cook with? That one's kind of complex
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Speaker 2: and confusing. What meats our best? That one, I think
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Speaker 2: is a little complex for people. What nutrients are in
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Speaker 2: what foods? Those are a little more sciencey and you
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Speaker 2: sort of need to teach. But you're just asking that
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Speaker 2: core basic diet. Is it hard to change? Yes, Your
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Speaker 2: palate becomes a custom you become accustomed to where creatures
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Speaker 2: of habit. We buy the same things at the store,
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Speaker 2: We do the same routine. Everybody's busy. You want to
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Speaker 2: buy a lot of processed food and a lot of
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Speaker 2: frozen foods. So really, what I'm saying about eating true
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Speaker 2: fresh things that come from the ground as nature intended,
20:37
Speaker 2: I'm asking you not to buy things in boxes. That's
20:40
Speaker 2: really hard. I think that's really hard for average Americans.
20:44
Speaker 2: Look at the carts, right, what are people put in
20:47
Speaker 2: their carts? Look around the store next tide when you
20:49
Speaker 2: go and just running it now you guys might just
20:53
Speaker 2: do the more usual, the smarter thing, which is to
20:57
Speaker 2: shop more frequently.
20:59
Speaker 3: What we do we do.
21:02
Speaker 1: There's nothing a freezer, nothing except for ice.
21:04
Speaker 2: That's awesome. So here, look in your pantry, if you
21:09
Speaker 2: and look in your freezer. Those are the two. Like
21:11
Speaker 2: if I did a television show, you know what I
21:12
Speaker 2: would do, I would like raid people's houses and go
21:17
Speaker 2: go let them, let me open their refrigerator and their freezer,
21:21
Speaker 2: and let me open their pantry.
21:23
Speaker 1: I've watched that show. Because so if you what would
21:26
Speaker 1: you throw out in someone's refrigerator? What would you throw out?
21:30
Speaker 2: Well, I would get rid of a lot. I mean,
21:32
Speaker 2: it's the pantry that I'm more worried about. The refrigerator
21:34
Speaker 2: would sort of yeah, it's the pantry that I'm more
21:36
Speaker 2: worried about. It's the crackers and the cookies and the breads,
21:41
Speaker 2: and the box foods and the box meals that they're
21:44
Speaker 2: going to mix with something, the packets of things that
21:47
Speaker 2: have all the chemicals that they're going to mix with
21:48
Speaker 2: the meat or maybe whatever. I don't even know some
21:50
Speaker 2: of that stuff anymore. Refrigerator is more of a telltale
21:55
Speaker 2: from a you know that one. I just want to
22:00
Speaker 2: see if there's fresh I want to see if there's
22:02
Speaker 2: actually if there are actually fresh fruits and vegetables in there.
22:08
Speaker 2: You sodas, I mean, that's where you're gonna put the sodas.
22:11
Speaker 2: That's whe're gonna put all the the additives and the condiments,
22:14
Speaker 2: and depending which you know, which ones are good and
22:15
Speaker 2: which ones are not so great, that's where you're gonna
22:18
Speaker 2: stuff all the pickles. I don't know, you know, just
22:21
Speaker 2: I don't know any quick grab kind of things. But
22:23
Speaker 2: there can be good things in the refrigerator as well.
22:26
Speaker 2: But and the freezer too. Part of what I would
22:29
Speaker 2: be looking at is how old things are. Yeah, people
22:34
Speaker 2: leave stuff in their fridge that couldn't be eaten.
22:41
Speaker 3: You put it in a way, and I think it
22:45
Speaker 3: helped me and maybe helped a lot of other people.
22:47
Speaker 4: When you see it from the perspective you just gave
22:50
Speaker 4: as a doctor, as not someone who is medically necessarily
22:53
Speaker 4: going to help you lose weight. You all are counselors.
22:56
Speaker 4: You counsel people through what they need to be doing.
22:59
Speaker 4: I think looking at it that way versus I think
23:01
Speaker 4: a lot of people do. Think a person who's having
23:03
Speaker 4: a weight prop goes to a doctor, give me the medicine,
23:05
Speaker 4: help me lose the weight. And certainly in this day
23:07
Speaker 4: and time, people are taking injections and losing weight. So
23:11
Speaker 4: thank you. You put that in a way that makes
23:13
Speaker 4: it make more sense of how maybe we should be
23:15
Speaker 4: viewing doctors as counselors.
23:18
Speaker 3: Especially who are helping people on this. So thank you.
23:20
Speaker 3: That makes perfect sense to me.
23:22
Speaker 2: You're welcome. That's what we all thought we were in
23:24
Speaker 2: school for, and then unfortunately we all learned that we
23:26
Speaker 2: really weren't in school to learn how to truly take
23:29
Speaker 2: care of people. I can remember the moment. I can
23:32
Speaker 2: remember the moment in medical school where I went, oh,
23:35
Speaker 2: crime many and you sort of look around the room
23:38
Speaker 2: and you know, you're all there thinking you're going to
23:39
Speaker 2: take care of people. And I asked a question about
23:43
Speaker 2: nutrition and it was a very softball question. It wasn't
23:46
Speaker 2: something radical, and I got the doctor because they're calling
23:50
Speaker 2: you doctor before your doctor. We are here to learn
23:54
Speaker 2: about pharmaceuticals and surgery. That is what will be in
23:59
Speaker 2: your toolkit. And I just remember thinking, oh, okay, here
24:05
Speaker 2: we go. And you know what that does. It chills you.
24:08
Speaker 2: It puts us silence over your thoughts of what if, well,
24:13
Speaker 2: what else aren't I supposed to? Aren't I here just
24:16
Speaker 2: to help human beings in whatever tools we have. I
24:20
Speaker 2: mean I remember walking in and feeling it did it
24:23
Speaker 2: really matter what we were going to offer people, as
24:26
Speaker 2: long as it was what worked and what they needed
24:29
Speaker 2: and what helped them. You are very correct. You take
24:34
Speaker 2: me down another road and we're on breast cancer today.
24:37
Speaker 2: But we don't have enough time in the healthcare system
24:39
Speaker 2: to counsel, as you just stated, we should have more time.
24:44
Speaker 2: That is our job, because I believe most human beings
24:48
Speaker 2: intuitively understand their health. They understand a lot of what's
24:53
Speaker 2: going on. They do a lot of reading their bodies.
24:56
Speaker 2: Are very intelligent beings, and they just need the extra help.
25:01
Speaker 2: And it takes a little bit of time, and it
25:03
Speaker 2: takes tailoring to your individual needs and those quiet conversations
25:07
Speaker 2: like when you were sort of shocked about the asparagus.
25:10
Speaker 2: They're only gonna tell me that, probably like a one
25:13
Speaker 2: on one private moment, right, They're not going to tell
25:16
Speaker 2: me some of the embarrassing things like doc, like they're
25:19
Speaker 2: not gonna tell all their friends they're confused what fish
25:21
Speaker 2: to eat, or I hate asparagus or I mean, I've
25:25
Speaker 2: got people that eat baby food. There's all kinds of
25:28
Speaker 2: food disorders out there, and they only really bubble up
25:33
Speaker 2: when you're in a very when they're safe, when people
25:35
Speaker 2: are safe to speak about it. And speaking of that
25:38
Speaker 2: includes these breast cancer screenings. And I was curious, Amy,
25:43
Speaker 2: you felt you'd waited too long to do your screening,
25:47
Speaker 2: but you were only forty. Did you sense that you
25:51
Speaker 2: had low risk?
25:53
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely so. I had been given my prescription to
25:57
Speaker 1: get a mammogram when I was thirty nine by my obgyn,
26:01
Speaker 1: and they had just changed that time the recommendations to
26:05
Speaker 1: fifty if you had no family history. I have a
26:08
Speaker 1: very large family. My mom's one of nine, my dad's
26:10
Speaker 1: one of six zero breast cancer diagnoses in my family
26:15
Speaker 1: at that point. So it was completely the last thing
26:18
Speaker 1: on my mind. So I deliberately threw away my prescription.
26:22
Speaker 1: I lost it and I couldn't find it, and said, eh,
26:24
Speaker 1: I'll do it in ten years. And if I hadn't
26:26
Speaker 1: been given the assignment for work, I would not have
26:28
Speaker 1: gotten a mammogram period. I felt like I was perfectly healthy,
26:32
Speaker 1: look and I did not eat well. I will be
26:35
Speaker 1: fully honest, I just always happened to be naturally thin.
26:39
Speaker 1: I worked out, and I felt like I could eat
26:41
Speaker 1: what I wanted, and I didn't have good habits. And
26:45
Speaker 1: it wasn't until later after my treatment was done where
26:48
Speaker 1: I was feeling scared and secure and fragile, like what
26:52
Speaker 1: else could I should I be doing? But no one,
26:55
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, and I had great care
26:56
Speaker 1: and amazing doctors, but no one is focused on your nutrition.
27:00
Speaker 1: Known is focused on what you're putting in your body.
27:02
Speaker 1: They're focused on putting chemo in you and other drugs
27:06
Speaker 1: and medicines that I'm grateful for that help me get
27:08
Speaker 1: me to where I am now. But there was no
27:10
Speaker 1: discussion about food. I heard drink less. But short of that,
27:16
Speaker 1: we really don't talk to cancer patients or frankly, most
27:21
Speaker 1: people don't get a full understanding when they go in
27:25
Speaker 1: for their annual, if they even go in for their annual,
27:27
Speaker 1: about what to eat and what not to eat, And
27:30
Speaker 1: so I'm just always so fascinated that wouldn't that be
27:33
Speaker 1: one of the major focuses. You would think, what's the
27:35
Speaker 1: one thing we can all do that we have total
27:37
Speaker 1: control over, And that's what we consume how we fuel
27:41
Speaker 1: our bodies.
27:42
Speaker 2: Well, you just stated my entire profession that is one
27:46
Speaker 2: of the very few things that we have control over
27:49
Speaker 2: what we actually put in our mouth. And you also
27:52
Speaker 2: were just making me giggle inside because I was thinking
27:55
Speaker 2: to myself, do you guys have pets, dog, cats, whatever?
28:00
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes.
28:01
Speaker 2: When you take your dog to the vet and they're
28:04
Speaker 2: sick and mystery sickness, let's say I personally, in my experience,
28:10
Speaker 2: the first thing the vet asks you, it's what are
28:13
Speaker 2: they eating? That's true, the first question short of that
28:17
Speaker 2: they're bleeding or something, you know, trauma. But if it's
28:20
Speaker 2: this mystery illness, what are you feeding your puppy? What
28:25
Speaker 2: are you feeding your dog? It's the first thing we
28:27
Speaker 2: talk about with an infant who can't speak with us. Right,
28:30
Speaker 2: are they eating? Are they eat are they digesting? Well?
28:32
Speaker 2: Are they going to the bathroom? Are they doing this?
28:34
Speaker 2: Are they doing that? Or how long does it take
28:35
Speaker 2: them to eat? Same thing with the puppy or the dog.
28:39
Speaker 2: But you go into a person physician and I don't
28:43
Speaker 2: what is the first question, where's your insurance card? Basically
28:48
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's the wallet biopsy as we call it.
28:52
Speaker 2: But I'm giving I'm giving you a little the darker
28:55
Speaker 2: side of medicine here. And then the second question, and
29:00
Speaker 2: it's sort of like, why are you here right? What
29:02
Speaker 2: what brought you in today? And that's fine, that's a
29:06
Speaker 2: that's a lovely first. That is what we should ask
29:08
Speaker 2: you. You know, what were you thinking about that brought you
29:10
Speaker 2: in to see us today. That's that's a very open
29:12
Speaker 2: ended question. You're going to share what's going on for you,
29:15
Speaker 2: but almost never in that entire conversation. Are you going
29:21
Speaker 2: to get what are you eating? Tell me about your digestion?
29:24
Speaker 2: I mean you might, you could be with a gas
29:26
Speaker 2: cerentrologist and things like this. But I'm being funny because
29:29
Speaker 2: it's it really should be the number one. Are you sleeping?
29:33
Speaker 2: What are you eating? How are you feeling? What brings
29:37
Speaker 2: you in today? What's your stress level? That's what I
29:41
Speaker 2: want to know first out of the gate, short of
29:44
Speaker 2: your you're not bleeding? You know, That's what's all different question.
29:50
Speaker 1: And I know that you are a part of some
30:01
Speaker 1: cutting edge studies that you are a part of in
30:04
Speaker 1: terms of cancer research. One of them involves prebiotic fiber
30:08
Speaker 1: and uchinia treatments. Others acupuncture along with chemotherapy that prevents
30:12
Speaker 1: nerve damage with early stage brest cancer patients. I mean,
30:15
Speaker 1: these are things that you know, we have to as
30:18
Speaker 1: patients go try to find on the internet. But there
30:21
Speaker 1: is I have not seen or heard from someone who
30:25
Speaker 1: there are some holistic approaches to cancer, but it's it's
30:28
Speaker 1: few and far between, and so you are actually finding
30:32
Speaker 1: some real connections between some non traditional medicines and treating cancers.
30:41
Speaker 1: We are where are we field? But we don't have enough.
30:45
Speaker 2: We don't have enough. It's a complicated terrain because a
30:48
Speaker 2: lot of it is in the field that I like
30:50
Speaker 2: to call wisdom medicine, or that's kind of the wisdom
30:52
Speaker 2: that's been passed down through the ages from family member
30:56
Speaker 2: to family member, friend to friend to friend, and some
30:58
Speaker 2: of them are extremely value Integrative cancer research is complicated
31:03
Speaker 2: because it breaks down into several realms more or less.
31:08
Speaker 2: In decades past, it's kind of been the last ditch
31:11
Speaker 2: efforts that people often win to other countries to find
31:14
Speaker 2: other treatments. It wasn't terribly safe, you didn't necessarily know
31:19
Speaker 2: what it was. I actually worked with an organization called
31:22
Speaker 2: the Gateway for Cancer Research that we specifically seek out
31:26
Speaker 2: integrative medicine cancer oriented treatments, and we also do traditional
31:33
Speaker 2: at the bedside clinical phase one treatment. So we try
31:36
Speaker 2: to balance about seventy percent traditional therapies that we fund,
31:40
Speaker 2: but we still want them to be extremely avant garde.
31:43
Speaker 2: We want to fund therapies that typically would not get
31:47
Speaker 2: funded even when they're say a chemotherapy or a surgery
31:50
Speaker 2: or a radiation or a device. But we apply thirty
31:53
Speaker 2: percent of our funds in search and finding integrative oriented
31:57
Speaker 2: cancer trials. And that can be for the treatment of
32:01
Speaker 2: the primary disease, that can be to ease the side
32:06
Speaker 2: effects of treatment of the primary disease. Those therapies could
32:09
Speaker 2: be something that we're trying to prevent a recurrence. And honestly,
32:14
Speaker 2: you know what, I feel, integrative therapies really shine in
32:19
Speaker 2: secondary prevention, meaning your case amy you don't want to
32:24
Speaker 2: get where you were again. The reason I think those
32:27
Speaker 2: therapies really shine post treatment is when you're deep in
32:32
Speaker 2: your original treatment, you really have to focus right. You're
32:36
Speaker 2: going through a lot. It could be surgery, it could
32:38
Speaker 2: be radiation. You're thinking about a lot of things. It's
32:40
Speaker 2: not easy to add complex therapies on top of that.
32:45
Speaker 2: We can add what I call adjunctive that ease you're suffering,
32:49
Speaker 2: ease your pain, help your body tolerate the treatments, and
32:52
Speaker 2: here are some examples. Vitamin C is just I consider
32:55
Speaker 2: it almost magic. So one of the studies we worked
32:58
Speaker 2: on was pre treading vitamin C before chemotherapy. Loading up
33:03
Speaker 2: vitamin C IV before your chemotherapy treatment will ease the
33:08
Speaker 2: chemotherapy side effects a whole heck of a lot like
33:12
Speaker 2: it is game changing, transformational, never heard that before. That's
33:17
Speaker 2: a really really critical one we do. We are utilizing
33:20
Speaker 2: acupuncture and studying acupuncture as well for neuropathy, which, as
33:24
Speaker 2: you know, is a common side effect post radiation for
33:27
Speaker 2: alt forms of cancers, but particularly breast cancer. It's a
33:30
Speaker 2: real bugaboo and utilizing acupuncture, but we could utilize acupuncture
33:35
Speaker 2: also for pain management. We could utilize it for stimulating
33:39
Speaker 2: those nerves to bring them back to life. Essentially, that's
33:41
Speaker 2: what neuropathy means, sort of the death of the small nerves,
33:44
Speaker 2: and we can utilize acupunctures to stimulate the improvement and
33:48
Speaker 2: health of those nerves. Candidly, it's been around for four
33:51
Speaker 2: or five thousand years. Acupuncture, well, you know it's sometimes
33:55
Speaker 2: I'm like, why do I why do we have to
33:56
Speaker 2: study this? Why don't we just do it?
33:58
Speaker 1: Like?
33:58
Speaker 2: Are we hurting anybody? It's not that expensive, we know
34:01
Speaker 2: how to do it, we know how it works. But
34:04
Speaker 2: everybody likes to study. Everybody likes research, and it's my field.
34:09
Speaker 2: I know. That's why I can make fun of it. So, yes,
34:12
Speaker 2: we do have acupuncture trials going on as well. We
34:16
Speaker 2: have evaluations in trace minerals like copper that relates to
34:21
Speaker 2: we've found copper depletions in triple negative breast cancers, so
34:25
Speaker 2: we've learned that the lower copper values can actually trigger
34:30
Speaker 2: those cancers to occur. And that goes back to the soil.
34:36
Speaker 2: You mentioned another one. We said ac vitamin C, prebiotic
34:39
Speaker 2: fiber was another. Not just I just just mind your microbiome.
34:45
Speaker 2: Let's like, do ten shows on that? Sorry? Ten shows
34:49
Speaker 2: on your microbiome. I just have to say, mind your
34:51
Speaker 2: microbiome in your health in general. For cancer, it's extremely
34:57
Speaker 2: critical as well, because that is your immune system that
35:00
Speaker 2: is protecting and stimulating eighty percent of the immune function
35:03
Speaker 2: in your body. We would be insane to not protect
35:06
Speaker 2: our microbiome in cancer prevention. During cancer treatment and for
35:12
Speaker 2: prevention of secondary occurrence.
35:13
Speaker 1: Doctor Sacy. In terms of that, what is there one
35:16
Speaker 1: thing or two things that you should everyone should add
35:19
Speaker 1: into their diet, whether you're a cancer patient, survivor or not,
35:23
Speaker 1: that contributes to gut health.
35:26
Speaker 2: You know, I think an easy thing if you just
35:28
Speaker 2: want to go, okay, I'm going to do this, I'm
35:29
Speaker 2: going to give you two and that is take a
35:31
Speaker 2: fiber supplement. It tastes grows sorry, sorry TJ. They don't
35:36
Speaker 2: taste very good. Just hold your nose, okay, But anyway,
35:41
Speaker 2: take a fiber. You can take them in pills too.
35:43
Speaker 2: By the way, you don't have to drink them, but
35:44
Speaker 2: it's nice to drink them because you get the hydration.
35:46
Speaker 2: So I'm a fan of any vitamin A nutrient that
35:48
Speaker 2: is in a liquid. I love liquids, I love shakes,
35:52
Speaker 2: I love drinks. I love powders that are in water
35:54
Speaker 2: because guess what, you get the water too. Because I'm
35:57
Speaker 2: somebody that doesn't get that thirsty get to drink. With
36:01
Speaker 2: all my knowledge and all that I work in this,
36:03
Speaker 2: I have to force myself to make sure and get
36:05
Speaker 2: that water in as well. So taking my nutrients or
36:10
Speaker 2: vitamins or amino acids or fiber or even a powdered
36:13
Speaker 2: vitamin C in a liquid helps me because then I
36:17
Speaker 2: get two focuses, right, I'm doing the nutrients and the
36:20
Speaker 2: second one is I really do support taking probiotics. These days,
36:24
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be all that complicated. You can
36:27
Speaker 2: take a basic, fairly inexpensive Acidophilus ambifitous general broad spectrum probiotic.
36:34
Speaker 2: They're not that expensive. There was a time where I
36:37
Speaker 2: had to be really really specific with the prescribing of
36:41
Speaker 2: one for like your general health. We really don't need
36:44
Speaker 2: to be quite as specific anymore. It's grown so much.
36:47
Speaker 2: The availability is safer. It's you know, I could give
36:53
Speaker 2: you fifteen brands that I support, but really getting it
36:58
Speaker 2: down is really really important. And choose something that is
37:01
Speaker 2: well decently within your budget at a quality type store,
37:05
Speaker 2: and you'll do okay on the On the probiotic, I'm
37:08
Speaker 2: a big probiotic fan. Those are those are critical. It's
37:13
Speaker 2: just really hard to get those things in your food anymore.
37:16
Speaker 2: I don't want to age myself, but you know, twenty
37:18
Speaker 2: years ago I might have worked with you a little
37:20
Speaker 2: more to get it all in your diet. I might
37:23
Speaker 2: if you like came to me and you were one
37:24
Speaker 2: of those people that went, oh, Doc, I don't want
37:26
Speaker 2: to take any vitamins. That's stupid, and people do. I
37:30
Speaker 2: want to get it from my food, and I just
37:32
Speaker 2: I just really want to do it that way. Can't
37:34
Speaker 2: you get vitamins from your food? And I go, yeah,
37:37
Speaker 2: you can. It's really hard anymore, and you're gonna have
37:41
Speaker 2: to work really hard at it. So I would take
37:44
Speaker 2: the easy route guarantee. I mean, you want your food quality,
37:50
Speaker 2: do your best, but guess what the vitamins, the nutrients,
37:53
Speaker 2: the fiber that I mentioned, the taking your your probiotics
37:56
Speaker 2: to inhabit your microbiome insurance policy, that just layers on
38:03
Speaker 2: the guarantee. I mean I eat very well and I
38:06
Speaker 2: still take all the nutrients.
38:08
Speaker 1: That's good to hear. We had someone once tell us
38:11
Speaker 1: that it just makes for expensive p so.
38:15
Speaker 2: I know everybody says that, and oh god, it drives
38:18
Speaker 2: me crazy. Like if you said to me, Doc, I
38:23
Speaker 2: only have fifty dollars a month for spare for my vitamins.
38:29
Speaker 2: That's my budget, I could do it. I could give
38:33
Speaker 2: you the really like type that's not very much. I mean,
38:36
Speaker 2: that's tough. That's tough. We're probably in a multi vitamin
38:39
Speaker 2: and an EPA, DHA and maybe a probiotic. That probably
38:43
Speaker 2: is about what you could do. But by the way,
38:45
Speaker 2: I would still do it. Do you eliminate vitamins in
38:51
Speaker 2: your urine? Yes? Of course, you use what you can
38:55
Speaker 2: use and you eliminate the rest. Same with your food.
38:58
Speaker 2: I don't know. I love I don't know.
39:00
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate it. I love this empowerment and the
39:05
Speaker 1: fact that you can because I always felt like I
39:06
Speaker 1: was cheating by taking a supplements that it's very cool
39:09
Speaker 1: to hear. I want to make sure we get in.
39:11
Speaker 1: This is our last question for you. You have. This
39:15
Speaker 1: is people are going to be listening to this while
39:17
Speaker 1: your gala is probably in full swing here, but your
39:20
Speaker 1: thirty fourth Annual Cures Gala this weekend in Illinois, and
39:25
Speaker 1: you spotlight the urgency of patient centered cancer research. Why
39:30
Speaker 1: is this such an important weekend for you? And just
39:33
Speaker 1: give us a sense of of what you hope to accomplish.
39:36
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for letting me talk about that for
39:38
Speaker 2: a moment. We are we're upcoming this weekend for our
39:42
Speaker 2: one of our two largest annual fundraisers. We like to
39:45
Speaker 2: do it in the month of October. We raise funds
39:47
Speaker 2: for phase one clinical cancer care trials and what that
39:50
Speaker 2: means is they go directly to the bedside. We are
39:53
Speaker 2: an organization that funds directly from a trial to a
39:59
Speaker 2: human The trials have to be ready to go to
40:02
Speaker 2: a human being and they are just awaiting funding. Other
40:06
Speaker 2: types of organizations fund earlier phases. We are at that
40:09
Speaker 2: spot where the person desperately needs the treatment. This is
40:12
Speaker 2: probably their last resort, and we are scouring and taking
40:16
Speaker 2: in applications every single day from researchers internationally actually and
40:23
Speaker 2: looking to fund the best and the brightest that we
40:25
Speaker 2: can possibly find that have patients available and ready to
40:28
Speaker 2: have their treatment. And that takes money, and that's what
40:32
Speaker 2: we'll be doing this weekend and hopefully bringing in as
40:35
Speaker 2: much as we possibly can. Fundraising, of course goes on
40:38
Speaker 2: all the time, but events create this wonderful space where
40:43
Speaker 2: we can highlight a patient who's received our care. We
40:45
Speaker 2: will be talking and bringing in a patient of ours
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Speaker 2: that's received life changing care and he will be sharing
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Speaker 2: his story. It brings people together. We all share in
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Speaker 2: that one cause. I really deeply believe in that community
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Speaker 2: aspect of funding, it's very critical. Certainly you can fundraise
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Speaker 2: without getting together, but it's a whole heck of a
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Speaker 2: lot more meaningful when you see survivors, family members, people
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Speaker 2: that have received care, donors that want to fund the care.
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Speaker 2: Bringing them all together in one cause is what we'll
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Speaker 2: be doing this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Well, doctor Stacy Stevenson, thank you for all that you do.
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Speaker 1: We appreciate I loved your frank talk too, by the way,
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Speaker 1: it was wonderful to hear just speaking like the rest
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Speaker 1: of us do. I understood everything you said.
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Speaker 3: I didn't.
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Speaker 2: I tried not to do too much jargon.
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Speaker 1: No, but a lot of this is empowering. You know,
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Speaker 1: we can talk personal responsibility, but it's also empowering. And
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Speaker 1: the research you're doing is having a real life impact
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Speaker 1: on folks feeling like they can do something to do better,
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Speaker 1: to be better, to live better, and to feel stronger.
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Speaker 1: So thank you. We wish you the best in your
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Speaker 1: fundraising efforts this weekend, and really appreciate you being on
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Speaker 1: the podcast with us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, nice meeting you. Congratulations. I should have said
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Speaker 2: that at the top I heard the fabulous news and
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Speaker 2: a beautiful ring. I'm a yellow I'm a yellow diamond
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Speaker 2: girl too. Thank you job, good job, TJ, good job.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.