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The Late Debate | 27 January · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, welcome to the late Debase.
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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us. It's great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and filling in for
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Speaker 2: frail each Jamie Rodgers coming up tonight. Former Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison says Muslim preachers should require a license to
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Speaker 2: teach Islam. He says it's the only way to clamp
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Speaker 2: down on extremist teaching.
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Speaker 3: Some will seek to characterize my remarks as hostile to
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Speaker 3: Australia's Islamic community and even multiculturalism itself.
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Speaker 2: New South Wales opposition leader Kelly Sloan's plan to save
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Speaker 2: masculinity plus Grammy Award winning artist Kanye West apologizes for
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Speaker 2: anti semitism, but are we buying his excuse It's an
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Speaker 2: absolute doozy and calls for the boycott of the World
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Speaker 2: Cup when it's hosted by the United States because of
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's conduct at home and abroad. We'll get to
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Speaker 2: all of that and more shortly, but first we have
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Speaker 2: to talk about It was yesterday, right, so you'd expect
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Speaker 2: our federal politicians to use their social media to celebrate
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Speaker 2: Australia Day, but instead of posting about our National Day.
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Speaker 2: Senior Labour MP Claire O'Neill posted about India's here. She
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Speaker 2: was on Facebook on January twenty five, posting an image
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Speaker 2: of an Indian flag with the message wishing all Australians
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Speaker 2: of Indian heritage celebrating tomorrow a very happy India Republic Day,
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Speaker 2: Caleb and Jamie, I would have thought Australians of Indian
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Speaker 2: heritage in Australia would be celebrating Australia Day on January
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Speaker 2: twenty six.
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Speaker 4: Very stranger, you would have thought so. And indeed, if
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Speaker 4: you look at Clara O'Neill's Facebook feed, she posted that
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Speaker 4: on Australia Day she was at citizenship ceremonies, and she
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Speaker 4: posted about how she told people at the citizenship ceremonies
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Speaker 4: that multiculturalism was really important and that we are the
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Speaker 4: most successful multicultural nation in the world. But curiously, nowhere
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Speaker 4: in any of these posts about what she was doing
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Speaker 4: on Australia Day did she note.
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Speaker 1: That it was Australia Day.
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Speaker 4: It was almost as though it was just become a
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Speaker 4: Citizen of Australia Day or something, and she was just
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Speaker 4: going around to random citizenship ceremonies. So she somehow manages
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Speaker 4: to put up three or four posts about going to
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Speaker 4: all these ceremonies, not once mentions our national day, but
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Speaker 4: goes it's a good idea to post about a foreign
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Speaker 4: country's national day. Why is it fine or more appropriate
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Speaker 4: to celebrate and acknowledge a foreign country's national day that
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Speaker 4: it is to even mention that there is a national
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Speaker 4: day in your own country. I'm sure she'd say, oh,
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Speaker 4: but I did recognize I went to the citizenships here.
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Speaker 1: I posted about the fact I was there.
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Speaker 4: But the fact remains she never once by name mentioned
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Speaker 4: Australia Day. I wonder why that would be on Kayleb.
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Speaker 5: But I think it's awful that you go out there
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Speaker 5: to citizenship ceremonies and welcome new people to this country,
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Speaker 5: and yet you don't actually acknowledge how wonderful Australia is
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Speaker 5: and the day that we are celebrating. I don't have
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Speaker 5: a problem with MPs posting about India Republic Day. We
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Speaker 5: saw Chris Mins do it as well as Opposition leader
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Speaker 5: Kelly Sloan.
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Speaker 6: I'm sure others did too. I haven't actually bought on everyone.
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Speaker 5: But they both his social media posts it then, but
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Speaker 5: then they both also posted extensively though about Australia Day.
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Speaker 5: There were pictures of them out celebrating in different ways.
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Speaker 5: So they both posted the night before January twenty six,
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Speaker 5: just to say to everyone celebrating India Republic Day tomorrow,
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Speaker 5: which they have been celebrating since nineteen forty nine, so
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Speaker 5: it's not like it's something that's just suddenly popped up.
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Speaker 6: But they did post that, and then the.
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Speaker 5: Next day, on actually Australia Day, they were then celebrating
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Speaker 5: as they should, recognizing the amazing country that we're in.
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Speaker 5: So I don't have a problem that they posted it
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Speaker 5: the night before, but I do have a problem if
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Speaker 5: you don't also acknowledge our beautiful country and celebrating Australia Day.
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Speaker 2: But my problem with this is our politicians go on
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Speaker 2: about social cohesion. Right, We're committed to social cohesion. It's
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Speaker 2: the most important thing right now. Well, if you committed
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Speaker 2: to social cohesion, you're encouraging Australian Indians to celebrate Australia,
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Speaker 2: not the country they came from. First and foremost. If
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Speaker 2: you live in this country, Australia is essential to your identity.
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Speaker 2: It's incidental that you came from that country. Or that country.
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Speaker 2: So rather than emphasize the fact that Australian Indians are Australian,
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Speaker 2: they've emphasized their Indian nationality or background. Now you post
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Speaker 2: the question, calub why would they do that? Could it
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Speaker 2: be because for all their talk about social cohesion, they're
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Speaker 2: far more concerned about, well, I don't know, votes.
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Speaker 4: And this is the thing, right, Once you have a
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Speaker 4: large group of migrants from any particular country or population
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Speaker 4: in your country, you do actually have to appeal to
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Speaker 4: them in order to garner votes, and so you end
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Speaker 4: up in this position. As it would seem now it's
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Speaker 4: almost compulsory to genuflect to other cultures and people of
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Speaker 4: other ethnicities and nationalities in order to shore up your
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Speaker 4: own voter base. Of course we've seen how Labor has
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Speaker 4: done it, particularly in Western Sydney when it comes to
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Speaker 4: Middle Eastern populations, because it's just the way you have
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Speaker 4: to play the political game in order to make sure
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Speaker 4: that you keep your seat.
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Speaker 1: But it didn't used to be this way.
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Speaker 4: There's an acknowledgment that there are people here from other
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Speaker 4: countries and they have their own cultures in their homeland
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Speaker 4: and national days and whatever.
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Speaker 1: I remember as a kid going to a cricket match.
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Speaker 4: It would have been by that time of T twenty
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Speaker 4: at Adelaide Oval on Australia Day, because of course it
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Speaker 4: used to be the Adelaide Test was the Australia Day Test,
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Speaker 4: and then we had ODIs on Australia Day and then
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Speaker 4: T twenties on Australia DA Adelaide. Now we don't get
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Speaker 4: any international cricket on Australia Da at all. But it
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Speaker 4: was Australia, of course versus India, and it was genuinely
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Speaker 4: one of the most exciting cricket matches I've ever been
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Speaker 4: to because you've got two nations with their national day
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Speaker 4: on the same day, because it's India and they love
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Speaker 4: their cricket. It was a fifty to fifty crowd and
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Speaker 4: the place was absolutely electric, and we knew it.
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Speaker 1: Was so good because it was both of our national days.
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Speaker 4: But you know, ten fifteen years ago, politicians weren't running
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Speaker 4: around going, oh, we must acknowledge the fact that it's
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Speaker 4: also India's national Day. We were all in Australia on
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Speaker 4: Australia Day having a good time. It's now become almost
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Speaker 4: compulsory to acknowledge it because I don't know. They feel
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Speaker 4: like if they don't do it it will harm them,
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Speaker 4: or you know.
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Speaker 1: I'm racist. I don't know. It's a bizarre position to
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Speaker 1: end up in.
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Speaker 5: Right within fifteen years though, we have seen a huge
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Speaker 5: increase in the Indian population here. There's more than a
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Speaker 5: million that are currently in Australia. So it is probably
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Speaker 5: also just a sign of respect to acknowledge their day.
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Speaker 5: But it shouldn't overtake Australia Day in any way, shape
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Speaker 5: or form. And it's so important that our politicians are
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Speaker 5: celebrated it to again to both of your points, to
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Speaker 5: keep that social cohesion, keep everyone united, and reiterate just
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Speaker 5: how amazing our country is. So acknowledge it, but it
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Speaker 5: shouldn't be taking priority or preference over our national day.
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Speaker 2: Well do they acknowledge every national day of every migrant
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Speaker 2: group in this country?
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Speaker 5: They don't needs to be heading that way, Yeah, but
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Speaker 5: I need to, don't are they're selecting a lot.
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Speaker 2: And they're selective according to which voting block they believe
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Speaker 2: can help them the most. And for pointing that out,
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Speaker 2: just enter price paid a fairly.
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Speaker 4: Heavy Yeah, you're quite right anyway. I look forward to
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Speaker 4: all the Facebook posts about Biafra when they exactly right.
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Speaker 4: And of course I mentioned before that Clara O'Neil did
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Speaker 4: not acknowledge the fact that January the twenty sixth is
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Speaker 4: Australia Day. Of course, a lot of councils these days
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Speaker 4: don't acknowledge that January twenty sixth is.
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Speaker 1: Australia Day either.
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Speaker 4: Now, one of the first councils in the country, in fact,
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Speaker 4: I think it was the first council in the country
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Speaker 4: that decided they would remove their Citizenship ceremonies from Australia Day.
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Speaker 4: Was you a council in Melbourne?
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Speaker 1: What a surprise.
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Speaker 4: If you've been watching this program for a few years,
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Speaker 4: you would know that Yarra Council is one of the
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Speaker 4: leftiest councils in the country. It's moral lests controlled by
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Speaker 4: the Greens. But one of the councilors at Yarra Council,
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Speaker 4: Andrew Davies, has signaled that he would like to bring
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Speaker 4: back Australia Day in his council and he would like
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Speaker 4: Citizenship ceremonies to return to Australia Day. Seems a pretty
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Speaker 4: reasonable point of view. Meanwhile, on Australia Day, their local
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Speaker 4: mayor was standing up in events saying how important it
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Speaker 4: was that they don't do anything on Australia Day. And
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Speaker 4: it has set the whole Council on fire because all
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Speaker 4: of these Greens councilors and other assorted lefties cannot believe
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Speaker 4: that one of their colleagues has dared to suggest that
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Speaker 4: the Council should celebrate Australia Day on January the twenty sixth,
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Speaker 4: including a Green's councilor Sophie Wade, who is so indignant
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Speaker 4: about the fact that Councilor Davies would dare to celebrate
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Speaker 4: as she put out a post on Instagram and she said,
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Speaker 4: I think it's a tension seeking populist garbage. My initial
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Speaker 4: reaction is one of sadness. This will cause a lot
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Speaker 4: of people a lot of pain and really just for
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Speaker 4: one man to try and make a name for himself,
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Speaker 4: it's pathetic. She's talking about our national day here and
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Speaker 4: a counselor saying that on our national day we should
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Speaker 4: celebrate our country and indeed, strangely enough, the Council should
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Speaker 4: welcome other people from all over the world to become
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Speaker 4: part of our country. I mean, what could be more
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Speaker 4: diverse and multicultural than having a citizenship ceremony to say
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Speaker 4: that you are now allowed to be part of this
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Speaker 4: great nation. And she was also to be offended about
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Speaker 4: the means and the timing of how she found out
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Speaker 4: about the fact that this councilor wanted to bring back
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Speaker 4: Australia Day.
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Speaker 1: She continued her post.
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Speaker 4: While I was at hinding the Invasion Day rally, like
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Speaker 4: tens of thousands of us do every year, I found
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Speaker 4: out that one of our councilors, Andrew Davies, has announced
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Speaker 4: he is moving a motion at the next council meeting
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Speaker 4: to reinstate celebrations on the twenty sixth of January. Well,
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Speaker 4: I have to say, Councilor Davies, if you managed to
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Speaker 4: ruin her day at the invasion Invasion Day rally, well
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Speaker 4: done to you, sir.
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Speaker 1: That was worth the price of admission alone.
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Speaker 4: It's almost like she can't fathom if someone would have
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Speaker 4: another point of view.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how dare he do it?
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Speaker 4: When I was at the Invasion Day rally.
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Speaker 2: That was my favorite part of it, of all the times,
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Speaker 2: to find out I was enjoying Invasion Day. I was
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Speaker 2: really having a great time. It's ruined by someone loving
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Speaker 2: this country. I was also amused by the way she
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Speaker 2: talked about repugnant popular and populist garbage. I would have
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Speaker 2: thought the job of an elected official is to find
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Speaker 2: out what is popular among the people you are supposedly
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Speaker 2: representing and to reflect that, rather than to ignore the
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Speaker 2: popular will of the people and to become an activist
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Speaker 2: when your job, frankly is collecting garbage and roadsing rates
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Speaker 2: are rubbish mode in your local park.
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Speaker 5: Roads rates and rubbish stick into your own lane. When
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Speaker 5: it comes to the council, they think they have so
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Speaker 5: much more importance and big egos within that space. I
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Speaker 5: always find it quite comical though, too, that they clearly
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Speaker 5: aren't keeping up with any of the recent polling as
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Speaker 5: to how much people want to support Australia Day, and
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Speaker 5: in particular that younger generation. I saw the IPA recently
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Speaker 5: was eighty three percent of eighteen to twenty four year
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Speaker 5: olds want Australia Day on January twenty six, so they're
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Speaker 5: clearly ignoring all of that. But then also remarkably, there
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Speaker 5: was a reader pole just recently when ninety percent had
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Speaker 5: said that they will not support a business who boycott's
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Speaker 5: Australia Day, So the whole tide is changing, and so
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Speaker 5: with councils still behaving like that and being upset when
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Speaker 5: they're at an Invasion Day to find out that they
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Speaker 5: were going to be bringing back Australia Day celebrations, I
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Speaker 5: think it's just hilarious.
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Speaker 2: Well, of course, the issue that continues to burn pardon
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Speaker 2: the pun Saturday today. Did you like that?
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Speaker 1: I really liked that one, Thank you.
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Speaker 2: That was a calib bondworthy segue. Is the issue of
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Speaker 2: the flag and whether or not it should be and
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Speaker 2: deserves respect and even protection in law. Of course, images
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Speaker 2: of the Australian flag being burned yesterday went right around
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Speaker 2: the country and overseas just a reminder of a look,
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Speaker 2: I think. And so those images and the uproar that
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Speaker 2: was caused prompted Queensland Premier David Chris Foley to say
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Speaker 2: today that if the federal government legislated against burning the flag,
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Speaker 2: he and he believes most other premiers would support it.
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Speaker 7: It's about as disgraceful as you get. It's a symbol
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Speaker 7: of who we are as a nation and we should
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Speaker 7: be proud of that. If the leaders in the nation's
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Speaker 7: capital decided that that was an offense, we'd certainly support it,
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Speaker 7: and we'd certainly police that.
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Speaker 2: Just before we discuss this, I want to show you
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Speaker 2: Jason Claire. He was on television this morning and he
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Speaker 2: was asked repeatedly what he thought. Now, he's a senior
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Speaker 2: minister of the Albanesi government, so as a vote, I'm
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Speaker 2: curious to know his thoughts on the flag and whether
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Speaker 2: or not it's appropriate that it be burned. As I said,
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Speaker 2: he was asked three times what he thought, and three
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Speaker 2: times he refused to tell the public what his view was.
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Speaker 6: Should this be made illegal?
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Speaker 8: I think most Australians would be looking at that idiot
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Speaker 8: burning the flag and just shaking their head. We need
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Speaker 8: to turn the temperature down a little bit here, and
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Speaker 8: that's what that.
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Speaker 6: Flag should be made illegal.
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Speaker 1: Jason.
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Speaker 8: Well, as I understand that NAT in different states, the
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Speaker 8: police have already got the powers to act here and
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Speaker 8: they do.
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Speaker 9: So, you don't think we should make it a federal
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Speaker 9: offense to burn the Australian flag, making it that illegal.
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Speaker 8: As I said, I'll diverted the experts here about what works.
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Speaker 2: Jamie. Do you think he just genuinely does not have
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Speaker 2: a view. He genuinely I don't know.
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Speaker 6: The frustrating thing about that as well.
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Speaker 5: He stands there and says how abhorrent that behavior was.
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Speaker 5: Labor had the chance to turn this into a federal
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Speaker 5: law and they voted against it. The Liberals wanted to
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Speaker 5: make it an illegal offense to go and burn the
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Speaker 5: Australian flag. We've seen polling seventy seven percent of Australians
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Speaker 5: think that it should be illegal to go and burn
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Speaker 5: our national flag. And when Labor got the chance to
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Speaker 5: turn that around, they voted against it. So I did
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Speaker 5: think it was very rich of Jason Claire to stand
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Speaker 5: there and condemn that action. Yet when they could have
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Speaker 5: done something about it, they chose not to. But could
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Speaker 5: you imagine and when I see scenes like that where
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Speaker 5: the Australian flag is being burnt at a rally, could
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Speaker 5: you imagine if it was reversed and someone was standing
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Speaker 5: up there burning the Aboriginal flag or burning a Pride
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Speaker 5: flag and the out that would be happening over an
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Speaker 5: incident like that, and there would be calls to make
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Speaker 5: that action illegal. But when it comes to our Australian
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Speaker 5: flag and something that does unite us, as David Chris A.
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Speaker 5: Foley said, just then it Unites US. That's what represents
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Speaker 5: our country. Athletes go and perform under that Australian flag
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Speaker 5: and to then burn it because they said it doesn't
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Speaker 5: represent everyone. I just think it's disgraceful and I just
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Speaker 5: imagine what it would have been like if an Aboriginal
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Speaker 5: flag had bit burnt.
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Speaker 4: Well, there'll be further on this, we'll talk about in
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Speaker 4: the papers later. You've now got others in Parliament in
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Speaker 4: Queensland suggesting that they're going to put up a bill
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Speaker 4: anyway and give it a go, because I don't really
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Speaker 4: understand why a state couldn't try it out. It's a
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Speaker 4: bit like I suppose in some respect the hate speech
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Speaker 4: laws that have just passed because the government admitted Tony
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Speaker 4: Burke outright said what we're going to do here is
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Speaker 4: test the limits of the Constitution and what we can
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Speaker 4: and cannot do. I get that it is a national flag,
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Speaker 4: and so Christopher's basically saying, well, it's a national problem,
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Speaker 4: but why couldn't a state outlaw the burning of any
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Speaker 4: national flag or state flag for that matter. And then
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Speaker 4: if someone is arrested and they get convicted or whatever,
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Speaker 4: they can take it off to the Supreme Court and
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Speaker 4: challenge it and say I don't think this law is legal.
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Speaker 4: I just don't see what there is to lose in
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Speaker 4: giving it a go if you believe that it should
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Speaker 4: not be legal. I get what he's saying, but it
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Speaker 4: almost feels like you're palming it off to someone else
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Speaker 4: to some degree.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's now made his position clear. Credit to him
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Speaker 2: for that, far more credit than Jason Clair deserves. Now
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Speaker 2: back it up with some action. Bring some legislation to
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Speaker 2: the Queensland Parliament and let's have another reason for Victorians
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Speaker 2: to move to sunny Queensland.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic.
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Speaker 6: Well, let's change tech now.
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Speaker 5: And rapper Kanye West is back in the headlines after
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Speaker 5: he published a full page ad.
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Speaker 6: In the Washington Post.
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Speaker 5: He has apologized for anti Semitic remarks in this full
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Speaker 5: page of the Wall Street Journal.
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Speaker 6: Sorry.
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Speaker 5: And he wrote about his struggles with bipolar disorder. And
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Speaker 5: he said that twenty five years ago he was in
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Speaker 5: a car accident that caused significant brain damage that went
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Speaker 5: undiagnosed for years. Now, guys, the reason why this has
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Speaker 5: caught my attention is Kanye also has an album that
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Speaker 5: is going to be released on Friday. With the title
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Speaker 5: of this album called bully, and I just think he's
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Speaker 5: probably clicked on that. Sales won't be great if he's
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Speaker 5: still having this negativity and falling on one of the
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Speaker 5: articles I actually did read about this, there was a
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Speaker 5: poll and you could vote whether or not you believed
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Speaker 5: his apology. So I did it just at a bit
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Speaker 5: of fun. Fifty four percent they said believed and forty
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Speaker 5: six said no. And that was in more than twenty
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Speaker 5: thousand people had voted on that also.
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Speaker 2: Believe his apology Correctina. It was only last February that
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Speaker 2: he's posting on social media. I am a Nazi. I
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Speaker 2: love Hitler. He's selling swatsticker t shirts on his website.
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Speaker 2: He released a song called Hail Hitler, and less than
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Speaker 2: a year later with an album coming out. As you said, Jamie,
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Speaker 2: in a couple of days, all of a sudden, Oh,
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Speaker 2: I had a car accident twenty five years ago, bumped
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Speaker 2: my head and it was the brain damage what made
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Speaker 2: me do its thought. Anti Semitism is a result of
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Speaker 2: brain damage. So there you go. Hypothesis proved.
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Speaker 4: He says in part in this advertisement that he took
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Speaker 4: out in the paper, I lost touch with reality. I
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Speaker 4: regret and am deeply mortified by my actions in that state,
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Speaker 4: and am committed to accountability, treatment and meaningful change. I
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Speaker 4: am not a Nazi or anti Semite. I love Jewish people. Okay,
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Speaker 4: Like you could have kind of left it just at
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Speaker 4: that I'm not a Nazi or anti Semite bit. Adding
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Speaker 4: that I love Jewish people on the end takes it
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Speaker 4: that one little step further. We're like, oh, you really
19:03
Speaker 4: are trying too hard here, now, aren't you. Like we
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Speaker 4: get that you're trying to cover up your tracks and say, oh,
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Speaker 4: it wasn't my fault, but like you're just going one
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Speaker 4: step further than to.
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Speaker 1: Make it even remotely believable. I disagree with you.
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Speaker 2: He didn't go far enough.
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Speaker 1: He should have.
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Speaker 2: Added four more words. He should have said, I'm not
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Speaker 2: a Nazi or an anti semit I love Jewish people.
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Speaker 2: Please buy my.
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Speaker 4: That's probably a fair I mean, he's just a weird dude, right,
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Speaker 4: Like I look, it's I find it almost offensive in
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Speaker 4: some ways to say it was the bipolar that caused
19:38
Speaker 4: a relligid bipolo.
19:39
Speaker 1: We haven't seen a medical diagnosis.
19:40
Speaker 4: Will take him in his word that he says he
19:42
Speaker 4: has bipolar, right, but bipolar is what they used to
19:46
Speaker 4: call manic depression. It's really high highs and then really
19:50
Speaker 4: low lows. Now, I was not aware until this point
19:55
Speaker 4: that a symptom of depression was writing songs about how
19:59
Speaker 4: you love Hitler selling swastika T shirts.
20:02
Speaker 1: It seems like an odd.
20:03
Speaker 4: Sort of thing to bundle up. But he's just a
20:05
Speaker 4: strange guy. I mean, they wonder his marriage broke up,
20:08
Speaker 4: of course, with the Kim Kardashian and in that wife
20:11
Speaker 4: he's had since, Australian woman, Biancha Sinsory. They get up
20:15
Speaker 4: to some bizarre stuff when they're out in public. Like,
20:18
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's the bipolar that's the problem here.
20:21
Speaker 4: I think Kanye West is just a thoroughly odd fellow.
20:24
Speaker 5: He did say he lost touch and sense of reality,
20:28
Speaker 5: and all the examples that you just said is exactly
20:31
Speaker 5: the fact that he lost sense of reality.
20:32
Speaker 4: Good luck with that one. I hope you find your
20:35
Speaker 4: reality soon. Of course, what is a reality, though, is
20:39
Speaker 4: just by the fact that we are told life is
20:42
Speaker 4: fine and dandy and wonderful for men, and we are
20:45
Speaker 4: in control of everything, and we run everything, and we've
20:48
Speaker 4: got nothing to worry about in the world. We do
20:51
Speaker 4: actually have a few things to worry about, and of
20:54
Speaker 4: course first second, then we get a third wave feminism
20:58
Speaker 4: which has sort of taught people that women in particular
21:01
Speaker 4: and even some men, that men should be hated, that
21:05
Speaker 4: there is something inherently wrong with them, that masculinity is
21:09
Speaker 4: a problem, it shouldn't exist. But there are such things
21:13
Speaker 4: as men's health problems. I'll talk a bit more about
21:16
Speaker 4: them in a minute. But credit to Kelly Sloane, the
21:19
Speaker 4: opposition leader in New South Wales, who has announced today
21:23
Speaker 4: that she is appointing Matt Cross as her Minister for men. Yes,
21:28
Speaker 4: we have ministers for women and now a New Southwest
21:32
Speaker 4: shadow I should say, a shadow minister for men. She's
21:35
Speaker 4: basically saying, if it was a Sloan government, we would
21:38
Speaker 4: have a ministry for men.
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Speaker 1: Here she was on TGB this morning.
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Speaker 9: We need to start having a positive conversation with men.
21:45
Speaker 9: We've got to stop saying that men need to be fixed,
21:47
Speaker 9: that they're broken, that they're toxic. Let's turn that around
21:50
Speaker 9: and let's say you are supported, your loved, and your
21:53
Speaker 9: masculinity should be celebrated.
21:56
Speaker 4: I mean crazy that that's sort of a radical thing
21:58
Speaker 4: to say in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: But it is true. I mean.
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Speaker 4: Men are, for instance, three times more likely to die
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Speaker 4: by suicide, the seventy percent more potential years lost in
22:12
Speaker 4: their lives on average than women. They're more likely to
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Speaker 4: use and abuse various substances alcohol, illicit drugs, and tobacco.
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Speaker 4: There are two point six times more likely to die
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Speaker 4: due to injury and more than ninety percent of deaths
22:28
Speaker 4: in the workplace. Men their life expectancy in Australia is
22:33
Speaker 4: four years shorter than women. They're more likely to be
22:37
Speaker 4: homeless fifty five percent or thereabouts of homeless people and men.
22:41
Speaker 4: They have a fifty eight percent higher death rate for cancer.
22:45
Speaker 1: They have a higher risk of heart.
22:47
Speaker 4: Disease because men, of course don't have estrogen, which gives
22:50
Speaker 4: protection to women up until menopause. Non sex specific health
22:56
Speaker 4: problems every single one of them.
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Speaker 1: Men have a high death rate than women.
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Speaker 4: For every two women who die from a non sex
23:03
Speaker 4: specific health problem, there are three men who die. So
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Speaker 4: it is very clear, despite the fact that we've been
23:09
Speaker 4: told there's you being a man is wonderful, that men
23:13
Speaker 4: have genuine health problems that are specific and exclusive to men,
23:19
Speaker 4: particularly when it comes to mental health, but also physical health.
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Speaker 1: So it is an admirable thing.
23:25
Speaker 4: I think that someone has finally put this on the agenda,
23:28
Speaker 4: and so, yeah, we really should be worrying about men's health.
23:32
Speaker 4: And it's important enough that like we have a minister
23:35
Speaker 4: for women, it deserves to have a minister for men.
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Speaker 2: Will you compare and can trust the opposition leader in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales with the Premier of Victoria who has
23:44
Speaker 2: a Minister for men's behavioral change, Because clearly men are
23:48
Speaker 2: viewed as a problem in Victoria and so we've got
23:51
Speaker 2: to change their behavior and demasculinize them. So it's incredibly
23:56
Speaker 2: refreshing to have a political leader like Kelly Slow saying
24:00
Speaker 2: we've got to do something for men. I was listening
24:02
Speaker 2: to you read all those stats, Caleb, and I couldn't
24:04
Speaker 2: help but think if you were talking about indigenous people
24:07
Speaker 2: and listing all those statistics, there would be immediate call
24:11
Speaker 2: for action, closed the mediate government funding, close the gap.
24:15
Speaker 2: There's a clear gap between the health outcomes of men
24:19
Speaker 2: and women, and yet somehow that gap has not been
24:22
Speaker 2: seen as important until now.
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Speaker 6: I agree with both of you too.
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Speaker 5: I think this is a fantastic announcement by Kelly Sloan,
24:29
Speaker 5: And she did say that improving the health of men
24:32
Speaker 5: and boys was going to be a priority of hers
24:34
Speaker 5: when she took the leadership, so I'm glad to see
24:36
Speaker 5: that she has gone and done the action that she
24:39
Speaker 5: said she would be doing. But she is right that
24:42
Speaker 5: we need to start celebrating masculinity. Toxic masculinity has been
24:46
Speaker 5: spoken about so much recently where men are called names,
24:50
Speaker 5: and it's been tough. So I've been working, as you
24:54
Speaker 5: know in the past with Gotcha for Life, which is
24:56
Speaker 5: all about that suicide prevention, and we lose seven men
24:59
Speaker 5: every single day to suicide. So we need to be
25:02
Speaker 5: taking some strong action in this space, and I think
25:05
Speaker 5: it's great that the New South Wales Liberals are getting
25:08
Speaker 5: on the front foot with it and actually doing the
25:09
Speaker 5: action that's needed.
25:11
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, I want to talk about a strange
25:14
Speaker 2: incident that occurred at a park in Cronulla yesterday. Everyone's
25:18
Speaker 2: celebrating Australia Day, so a local family went to their park.
25:23
Speaker 2: They've got a nine year old son who suffers from
25:25
Speaker 2: cerebral palsy. They couldn't take him to the beach, it's
25:28
Speaker 2: not safe for him to swim in the ocean, so
25:30
Speaker 2: they're at their local park and they decided it's a
25:33
Speaker 2: hot day, let's take a little inflatable pool, put a
25:36
Speaker 2: bit of water in it, and our sun with cerebral
25:39
Speaker 2: palsy can splash around in the inflatable pool and enjoy
25:43
Speaker 2: the day. Well, apparently some people who saw this phoned
25:47
Speaker 2: council and made complaints that this was incredibly unsafe. Next
25:52
Speaker 2: minute you've got council officers turning up demanding that the
25:56
Speaker 2: pool be emptied to reduce the water level. And so
26:00
Speaker 2: then when the family obliged, they were told that they
26:03
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to do that because the pool had been
26:06
Speaker 2: filled with tap water, which wasn't appropriate for that use.
26:10
Speaker 2: So all in all, their day was ruined. When they're
26:13
Speaker 2: just a local family trying to do the right thing
26:16
Speaker 2: by their disabled son. Here's the mum talking about what happened.
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Speaker 10: He can't too much, you can't walk, and so as parents,
26:25
Speaker 10: we try to do everything possible just to make him
26:28
Speaker 10: feel included in you know, what every other little kid
26:31
Speaker 10: can do easily. He hates the sounds of waves. We thought,
26:35
Speaker 10: you know, put him in this pool right next to
26:37
Speaker 10: us so we can watch him there and he can
26:39
Speaker 10: just splash around with a little bit of water, but
26:41
Speaker 10: that ended real quick once once that was taken away
26:45
Speaker 10: from us.
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Speaker 2: Sutherland Shire Mayor Jack Boyd explained that once they'd received
26:49
Speaker 2: the complaint, well, the.
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Speaker 11: Response that I've proceived from the offices was that once
26:55
Speaker 11: the complaints made, it essentially triggers our obligation. We're aware
26:59
Speaker 11: of what's going on, we had to go out. I
27:01
Speaker 11: think it's very clear that this wasn't a proportionate response,
27:05
Speaker 11: and I'm disappointed a complaint was made in the first place,
27:07
Speaker 11: but I'm really sad to hear about what has happened
27:10
Speaker 11: to Paul Walter and his family.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the mayor should be disappointed the complaint
27:15
Speaker 2: was made. It's not his position to be disappointed in
27:18
Speaker 2: members of the public for making a complaint. He should
27:21
Speaker 2: be disappointed that zero discretion seems to have been displayed
27:25
Speaker 2: by his employees.
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Speaker 6: I think you would also to a point.
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Speaker 5: I heard this when it was breaking on t GB
27:31
Speaker 5: this morning, and I listened to the eyewitness and I
27:33
Speaker 5: listened to that mom and then I listened to the
27:35
Speaker 5: mayor all come through on Mark Leavy's program, and I
27:39
Speaker 5: could see why he was disappointed in the complaint, because
27:42
Speaker 5: this is a local resident has called the council to
27:45
Speaker 5: complain that a child who is cerebral pause, his eight
27:49
Speaker 5: years old and his quadriplegic, was then put into a
27:52
Speaker 5: little waiting pool, which as you can see on the screen,
27:55
Speaker 5: that's the size of the pool. You can pick one
27:56
Speaker 5: of them up in Kmart. When I was listening to
27:58
Speaker 5: the mom, she said that there would have been about
28:00
Speaker 5: fifty centimeters worth of water. A resident complained because there
28:04
Speaker 5: were other kids in the vicinity, even though the parents
28:07
Speaker 5: did say that there was about eight adults around to
28:09
Speaker 5: make sure that no children would also get into the water.
28:12
Speaker 5: All Walter was doing was sitting in there so that
28:15
Speaker 5: he because he couldn't get down to the water and
28:16
Speaker 5: he was scared of the ways. And someone picked up
28:20
Speaker 5: the phone and complained to counsel that a disabled child
28:24
Speaker 5: was sitting in a pool having fun. And so I
28:26
Speaker 5: can see why he would say, I'm disappointed by the
28:29
Speaker 5: complaint because I think we all should be. I think
28:30
Speaker 5: it's absolutely disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself exactly.
28:35
Speaker 5: But then the council's response also sounded horrendous too. Just
28:39
Speaker 5: listening to the eyewitness account, and she said when council
28:42
Speaker 5: first came. They made the mom and there was a
28:45
Speaker 5: grandma there as well, get buckets and start scooping the
28:48
Speaker 5: water out into the plants. But then they said, oh,
28:51
Speaker 5: actually sorry, that's illegal.
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Speaker 6: You can't do that.
28:53
Speaker 5: You can't tip water into the plants. So then they
28:56
Speaker 5: picked up the whole pool and tipped out the water.
28:59
Speaker 5: Meanwhile Walter's crying, the grandma's crying. What distressing scenes by
29:04
Speaker 5: a family who were just there to try and enjoy
29:07
Speaker 5: Australia Day with their poor son who was suffering from
29:10
Speaker 5: cerebral palsy, and he is sitting there crying off the
29:13
Speaker 5: back of what has happened to him.
29:14
Speaker 2: I remember if those council officers had said, you know what,
29:17
Speaker 2: while your son enjoys that the pool, we will stand
29:20
Speaker 2: here and we will make sure no other children.
29:23
Speaker 5: His mum said, all we wanted here. He was just
29:25
Speaker 5: going to be in there for probably another twenty to
29:27
Speaker 5: thirty minutes. It wasn't like he was going to be
29:29
Speaker 5: in it all day. It was just to have a
29:30
Speaker 5: little cool down, have a little play while everyone else
29:33
Speaker 5: was in the ocean. To your point, yes that's what
29:35
Speaker 5: they should have done. And sat there and said we
29:37
Speaker 5: will watch to make sure that this is a safe area.
29:39
Speaker 6: It would have been a good discussion, graceful.
29:41
Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't get it.
29:44
Speaker 4: I mean, you know Bonner Point Park at Kernel, was
29:48
Speaker 4: this some sort of death trap? Bonner Point pack Colonel
29:51
Speaker 4: by the way, you know what the Sanders family down there,
29:54
Speaker 4: the Colonel Sanders. But anyway, I know there are some
30:00
Speaker 4: if you give them a badge or a job that's
30:03
Speaker 4: you know, got some sort of enforcement or whatever attached
30:06
Speaker 4: to it, you know, they just think they are God's
30:09
Speaker 4: gift and it is now their right and responsibility to
30:14
Speaker 4: be overly officious. There has to be an element of
30:18
Speaker 4: humanity at some point, right, And if you go along
30:21
Speaker 4: and there's a kid with cerebral palsy who can't go
30:24
Speaker 4: in the in the drink and so he's just in
30:27
Speaker 4: a little inflatable pool, is it really that big of
30:31
Speaker 4: a problem, Like what's the concern that it's somehow going
30:36
Speaker 4: to blow back on the council. I don't see how
30:39
Speaker 4: it blows back on the council because the problem here
30:43
Speaker 4: is that if you have more than thirty centimeters of
30:46
Speaker 4: water in a pool or anything, you've got to treat
30:49
Speaker 4: it according to the bylaws, the same as your pool
30:52
Speaker 4: at home with fence has to be fenced and all
30:54
Speaker 4: this sort of garbage, right, come on, just let it go.
30:59
Speaker 1: I don't don't think there's.
31:00
Speaker 4: Anything written down in by laws anywhere that says if
31:05
Speaker 4: a council officer see something, they are compelled to do
31:08
Speaker 4: something about it.
31:09
Speaker 1: Surely there is a level of.
31:11
Speaker 4: Discretion that they are allowed to use here, and they
31:15
Speaker 4: should have used it in this case.
31:17
Speaker 1: Maybe you say to them, look in.
31:18
Speaker 4: Future, just so you're aware of the by laws that
31:21
Speaker 4: you can't do this in a public place and you
31:23
Speaker 4: need offence and whatever.
31:24
Speaker 1: But just for today, we'll let it go. And now
31:27
Speaker 1: you warned.
31:28
Speaker 4: A copper can give a warning, why can't a council
31:31
Speaker 4: enforcement officer do the same thing.
31:32
Speaker 5: I know, and the mayor did say that he acknowledged
31:35
Speaker 5: that things need to be done differently. So the positive
31:38
Speaker 5: hopefully that things can be learnt, that the mistakes of
31:41
Speaker 5: what happened yesterday that has not happened again.
31:43
Speaker 6: Because it was disgraceful.
31:45
Speaker 2: The council should do something nice for that family to
31:47
Speaker 2: make it up to them.
31:48
Speaker 5: Well, I know that Bondai, the Bondai lifeguards were going
31:51
Speaker 5: to step in and assist. That was thanks to two
31:52
Speaker 5: gb I don't know what the council they're going to do,
31:55
Speaker 5: but BONDI have certainly stepped up to help there. Well,
31:59
Speaker 5: let's talk the FIFA World Cup, because the former FIFA
32:03
Speaker 5: president in set Blatter, has been backing calls to boycott
32:07
Speaker 5: this year's World Cup, and that is in twenty twenty
32:10
Speaker 5: six that is hosted with USA, Mexico and Canada. He
32:15
Speaker 5: is saying this is over security concerns and has then
32:18
Speaker 5: had the audacity to say it's a better view on TV.
32:22
Speaker 5: But what I find so interesting about the fact that
32:25
Speaker 5: this former FIFA president has come out and is telling
32:28
Speaker 5: everyone to boycott the twenty twenty six World Cup two things.
32:32
Speaker 5: First of all, he was FIFA boss when this organization
32:36
Speaker 5: was plagued by allegations of fraud and corruption, and he
32:40
Speaker 5: was in charge at the time. But then also let's
32:44
Speaker 5: not forget where was the World Cup in twenty twenty two.
32:47
Speaker 5: That's right in Qatar, which there were boycotts around that
32:51
Speaker 5: time as well because of human rights violations and environmental
32:54
Speaker 5: laws and concerns around the time then, and yet that
32:58
Speaker 5: still went ahead, knowing full well what had happened with
33:02
Speaker 5: those that were building the stadiums and going into the
33:04
Speaker 5: effort for the twenty twenty and two World Cup, and
33:07
Speaker 5: yet they.
33:07
Speaker 6: Want to boycott. What's going on because of what's happening
33:09
Speaker 6: in the US with Donald Trump.
33:11
Speaker 2: I'm trying to work out the connection between the Soccer
33:13
Speaker 2: World Cup, forgive me for calling it soccer or you purists,
33:17
Speaker 2: the Soccer World Cup and Trump's designs on Greenland, How
33:21
Speaker 2: on earth are they connected? Or the Soccer World Cup
33:24
Speaker 2: and Trump's ice agents in Minnesota. What has one got
33:30
Speaker 2: to do with the other. It's absolutely ridiculous that they.
33:34
Speaker 6: Do get their those out of the political matters.
33:36
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the connection is.
33:39
Speaker 4: Anyone who is saying any of these sort of it's
33:42
Speaker 4: just complete balls up.
33:44
Speaker 1: Isn't it.
33:44
Speaker 4: I mean, seriously, so often. We were talking about this
33:48
Speaker 4: last night with the your beloved North Melbourne Police Club
33:52
Speaker 4: football and there's quite a few others.
33:54
Speaker 1: I think I saw some killed Hawthorne.
33:57
Speaker 4: Many put statements out yesterday saying, you know, we disave
34:01
Speaker 4: our Australia Day and all this sort of garbage. It's
34:04
Speaker 4: not your problem, it's not your issue. If the Fearful
34:09
Speaker 4: World Cup is in the US. It doesn't matter what
34:13
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is doing. The fact that soccer is being
34:16
Speaker 4: played in a country doesn't necessarily mean that it's an
34:20
Speaker 4: endorsement of everything that goes on in that country, or
34:23
Speaker 4: that it means you believe in everything that that country believes,
34:26
Speaker 4: or that you support the president.
34:28
Speaker 1: Of the can O. No, you're simply playing a sport.
34:32
Speaker 4: It's the same as it annoys me we refuse to
34:34
Speaker 4: play Afghanistan and the cricket.
34:36
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the fault of people who play
34:38
Speaker 1: from for.
34:39
Speaker 4: Afghanistan and who come from Afghanistan that the place is
34:42
Speaker 4: run by the Taliban. But we say, oh, we can't
34:46
Speaker 4: play against Afghanistan. We've got to take a political side
34:49
Speaker 4: on this. No, you're playing sport against other sports people.
34:54
Speaker 1: It's nothing to do with Donald Trump.
34:56
Speaker 4: It's got nothing to do with politics. It's got nothing
34:58
Speaker 4: to do with ice. It's sport, for heaven's sake.
35:02
Speaker 2: Exactly quickly before we go to a break. Funny story
35:04
Speaker 2: in the UK. Emma Bateman, she's co chair of the
35:08
Speaker 2: Greens Women's Committee, but she's been suspended for three months
35:12
Speaker 2: because she made fun of people who identify as fairies.
35:16
Speaker 2: You know, the mythical kind. Here's the comments that got
35:20
Speaker 2: her suspended. Have a listen.
35:23
Speaker 12: If your middle ground is to concede that trans women
35:26
Speaker 12: are female to keep the peace, where does that leave
35:30
Speaker 12: the Green Party in terms of upholding the Equality Act?
35:33
Speaker 12: And what are you going to say to voters when
35:36
Speaker 12: they ask what is a woman? How far are you
35:39
Speaker 12: prepared to prostrate yourselves for the pronoun please?
35:44
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's where she's saying. If we go with
35:46
Speaker 2: this whole weird gender ideology, how will people trust us
35:49
Speaker 2: as following the science on climate? But what did she
35:53
Speaker 2: say about people who identify as fairy?
35:55
Speaker 4: This is from the Telegraph in London today, it'd match
36:00
Speaker 4: twenty twenty twos. Bateman was suspended for three months over
36:02
Speaker 4: that speech that you saw there to gender critical activists
36:05
Speaker 4: in Speaker's Corner at Hyde Park, in which she mocked
36:08
Speaker 4: those who believe quote that every time someone says men
36:11
Speaker 4: are not women, a person with fairy pronouns literally dies.
36:16
Speaker 4: She also challenged fellow members on how they were willing
36:19
Speaker 4: to get, how father were willing to go to prostrate
36:22
Speaker 4: themselves to the pronoun police, and how much cognitive sissenance
36:26
Speaker 4: they would choke down before they admitted quote, women are
36:30
Speaker 4: more than a feeling and for that you can't be
36:33
Speaker 4: part of a left wing party in the United Kingdom.
36:36
Speaker 4: She's right, they've been captured by this gender ideology.
36:40
Speaker 1: And now you've.
36:41
Speaker 4: Got genuine greenies being told they can't be members of
36:44
Speaker 4: Green parties anymore.
36:46
Speaker 2: There you go. Couldn't happen to nicer people. We're going
36:48
Speaker 2: to go to a break when we come back the papers.
36:50
Speaker 2: Scot Orison says Muslim preachers should be licensed to teach Islam.
36:55
Speaker 2: That and more in a moment. All right, welcome back
37:03
Speaker 2: to the program. Let's take a look at what's making
37:05
Speaker 2: headlines tomorrow and I think all the talk tomorrow will
37:09
Speaker 2: be regarding Scott Morrison's comments published in the Australian.
37:12
Speaker 4: Indeed, big Yan license to preach and teach Islam Morrison,
37:17
Speaker 4: It says Scott Morrison is urging Muslim leaders to accredit preachers,
37:21
Speaker 4: translate religious teachings into English, and clamp down on links
37:25
Speaker 4: to foreign Islamist groups in a taboo breaking agenda to
37:28
Speaker 4: cast extremism out from mosques and schools. In one of
37:31
Speaker 4: the most extraordinary and detailed policy interventions by a former
37:35
Speaker 4: Prime minister, mister Morrison has told the Nations Islamic leadership
37:38
Speaker 4: that they can no longer avoid serious questions over how
37:42
Speaker 4: they practice and govern their religion in Australia. He also
37:45
Speaker 4: told the mrms they faced a post Bondai reckoning, as
37:49
Speaker 4: Christians did after the child sex abuse Royal Commission. He's
37:53
Speaker 4: made these comments at a conference in Israel.
37:57
Speaker 1: He is a snippet of what he said.
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Speaker 3: This is not the state dictating belief that holding religious
38:04
Speaker 3: leaders accountable for what they preach and permit in their
38:07
Speaker 3: religious communities and requiring them to exercise that responsibility. It
38:13
Speaker 3: is the very least they should do.
38:17
Speaker 4: Look, it's an interesting point, right because I suppose if
38:20
Speaker 4: you start saying that one religion needs to be licensed
38:24
Speaker 4: and have certain restrictions about who can and cannot preach,
38:27
Speaker 4: you then go down the road of well how do
38:29
Speaker 4: you pick and choose which religions you apply that too?
38:32
Speaker 4: Is that then a form of discrimination? They'd be questions
38:35
Speaker 4: then about what that means for our right to religious freedom,
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Speaker 4: and on and on it would go. But having said that,
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Speaker 4: it's hard not to see the logic in what he
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Speaker 4: is suggesting, because when it comes to terrorism committed in
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Speaker 4: this country. In the past decade or so, almost every
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Speaker 4: case of terrorism has been an Islamist one, and so
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Speaker 4: you can understand why he.
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Speaker 1: Would be calling for this, the.
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Speaker 2: Ability to license preachers. Who knows whether that's actually possible
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Speaker 2: or not. But what Scott Morrison has done is he
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Speaker 2: has opened the door to a conversation that I think
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Speaker 2: is long overdue in this country that everyone's been far
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Speaker 2: too afraid to begin for fear of being labeled in
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Speaker 2: islamophobe or a racist or whatever. By making these comments,
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison has now started what I hope will be
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Speaker 2: a national conversation. And the conversation is overdue because we
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Speaker 2: were told in the wake of the Bondai terror attacks
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Speaker 2: repeatedly by everyone from the Prime Minister down that the
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Speaker 2: men who allegedly committed the crimes allegedly did it as
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Speaker 2: a perversion of Islam. Well, is that true, and if
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Speaker 2: it is, then it's in the interests of everybody, including
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Speaker 2: Muslim leaders, to correct that perversion because it's a deadly perversion.
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Speaker 2: If it's a perversion at all, the conversation needs to
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Speaker 2: be held and people need to be held account.
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Speaker 5: And he did also make another very interesting point where
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Speaker 5: he said Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia and the
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Speaker 5: UAE are doing a much better job than the Western
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Speaker 5: world in curtailing political Islam in mosques and schools. So
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Speaker 5: he's certainly highlighting some big issues that will no doubt
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Speaker 5: be continued to be spoken about.
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Speaker 2: So what'll be interesting that we're having a conversation is
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Speaker 2: whether Islamic organizations in this country come out defensively and
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Speaker 2: slams Scott Morrison and immediately you know, poo poo the idea,
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Speaker 2: or whether they come out and say, you know what,
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Speaker 2: we do have a problem in our community. You're right,
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Speaker 2: we need to address it, help us. And I think
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Speaker 2: that is a significant test to show where exactly we're
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Speaker 2: all at.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, the only problem is that there have been so
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Speaker 4: many opportunities for that to happen, and it very rarely happens.
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Speaker 4: And I'm thinking of the case of one of these
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Speaker 4: hate preachers. Of course was done under eighteen C and
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Speaker 4: there was I was filling in for Sharry at the
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Speaker 4: time as you are doing this week, and all week
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Speaker 4: I and my producers fight or females to the National
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Speaker 4: Emam's Council and the Lebanese Australian to say, or on
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Speaker 4: and on and win saying, you know, can I get
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Speaker 4: someone on to talk about this result, or at least
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Speaker 4: a statement to condemn what he said. We've got absolute
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Speaker 4: duck eggs. So too many times Islamic leadership has failed
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Speaker 4: to condemn radical Islam in this country. Here's another opportunity
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Speaker 4: to do it. We'll see whether they take it.
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Speaker 6: Let's hope baladiers can stand up.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 5: Let's look now at the Canberra Times and at the
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Speaker 5: front page, says a big ask for Home Affairs. The
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Speaker 5: Department of Home Affairs will struggle to maintain and enforce
41:42
Speaker 5: a new designated hate group listing regime unless it receives
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Speaker 5: a significant boost in staffing and resources. According to a
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Speaker 5: former senior official, Home Affairs will be responsible for identifying
41:54
Speaker 5: potentially thousands of people both overseas and in Australia involved
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Speaker 5: with prohibited hate groups under new laws passed by the
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Speaker 5: government last week, and Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has
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Speaker 5: named Islamic group his book Career, and the newly disbanded
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Speaker 5: neo Nazi group the National Socialist Network as potentially the
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Speaker 5: first groups to be made illegal. But you would think
42:19
Speaker 5: that when you are creating these new laws that the
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Speaker 5: government has passed, you would also be allocating sufficient funding
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Speaker 5: to ensure that you can uphold and maintain the laws.
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Speaker 6: That you have said.
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Speaker 2: I'm only laughing because a couple of times on this
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Speaker 2: program tonight, we've talked about things the government should be doing,
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Speaker 2: and we've prefaced it with you would think that, and
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Speaker 2: that's a common phrase when talking about this government, because
42:45
Speaker 2: what you think should happen often does not.
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Speaker 1: Don't believe your lying eye at all.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Let's go to the front page of tomorrow's Herald's
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Speaker 2: Son and of course Melbourne experiencing a massive heat wave
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Speaker 2: at the moment, also called summer scorched reads the headline
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Speaker 2: firey furnace hottest Victorian day on record, Homes destroyed and
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Speaker 2: evacuations as firefighters battle through the night. The state's sweltering,
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Speaker 2: with the mercury reaching forty eight point nine degrees in
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Speaker 2: several parts of the state. As firefighters battled a series
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Speaker 2: of raging bushfires, three out of control blazers continued to
43:22
Speaker 2: burn tonight. Property is destroyed and of course all of
43:26
Speaker 2: that whipped up by winds about seventy kilometer an hour winds.
43:31
Speaker 2: They were so not great conditions in Victoria, and our
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Speaker 2: hearts go out to people affected. Of course, this is
43:37
Speaker 2: part of summer in Australia, it must be said.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's of course hope that there is no
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Speaker 1: life lost.
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Speaker 4: But how good is that photograph on the front of
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Speaker 4: the paper there with the fellers pouring the beer over there?
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Speaker 1: Mate?
43:48
Speaker 4: That's how hot aday it has been in Victoria. And
43:52
Speaker 4: while we are talking about the heat and the consequences,
43:55
Speaker 4: over on the front of the advertiser tomorrow says power
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Speaker 4: price surge is sa grid melts. An electricity price surge
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Speaker 4: driven by a South Australian power shortage has triggered warnings
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Speaker 4: of catastrophic national grid failure during a multi city heat wave.
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Speaker 1: Never heard this story before, have we.
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Speaker 4: Frontier Economics chief Danny Price, a key architect of energy
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Speaker 4: policy for state and federal governments, warns renewables cannot meet
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Speaker 4: high demands and predict significant outages and high prices. Wholesale
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Speaker 4: electricity spot prices spacked in essay to near the twenty
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Speaker 4: thousand dollars per megawatt hour limit on a still Monday night.
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Speaker 1: Oh groundbreaking, isn't it?
44:36
Speaker 4: The renewables can't keep up and so therefore the light smarket.
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Speaker 1: How many times do we have.
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Speaker 4: To read these stories and receive these warnings before someone
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Speaker 4: takes it seriously a lot more?
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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they've got the highest uptake of renewables in
44:48
Speaker 5: the country. And look what's happening in that state.
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Speaker 1: The whole place went out of power one day.
44:52
Speaker 5: Remember, yes, Well, let's have a quick look at the
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Speaker 5: Courier mail and what's on the front page. There is
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Speaker 5: cutters Aralian Party will push to outlaw the burning of
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Speaker 5: the Australian flag in Queensland, despite Premier David chris A
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Speaker 5: fully framing criminalization of the disgraceful act as a job
45:09
Speaker 5: for the Commonwealth. There's no excuse for burning a symbol
45:12
Speaker 5: that brings us together. CAP leader Robbie Katter has said,
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Speaker 5: it just makes sense.
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Speaker 2: It does and quickly. The Daily Telegraph an interesting story
45:19
Speaker 2: for parents who've got kids going back to school. Police
45:23
Speaker 2: and child safety experts urging parents don't post photographs of
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Speaker 2: your kids because of the risk of apps that newdify
45:34
Speaker 2: people create nude images from existing photos, and also the
45:39
Speaker 2: danger that undesirables could tract where your children live. Based
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Speaker 2: on identifiable features overreaction.
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Speaker 1: Caleb, No, no.
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Speaker 4: Look, it's probably a fair warning, right, I mean, this
45:50
Speaker 4: stuff is happening, and we've seen a fair bit of
45:52
Speaker 4: it lately. It's just sad that we live in a
45:55
Speaker 4: world now where this is something we have to think about. Right.
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Speaker 6: It's true.
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Speaker 5: I got told never post a photo with your child's
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Speaker 5: school on it, never show their faces, because then strangers
46:04
Speaker 5: can do whatever with their faces.
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Speaker 6: You just don't want your kids to be anywhere online.
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Speaker 2: What a sad state of affairs. So we're going to
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Speaker 2: go to a break when we come back. Speak of
46:12
Speaker 2: sad state of affairs. The ABC embarrassed when their Facebook
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Speaker 2: page is hacked, and Nick Curios he's been embarrassed as well.
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Speaker 2: All of that in the moment, welcome back to the program. Well,
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Speaker 2: a bit of embarrassment and a few red faces calib
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Speaker 2: at the ABC today.
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Speaker 4: Maybe so, But I bet you the views are up
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Speaker 4: because the ABC has started posting pornographic actresses.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I know.
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Speaker 4: Look, we don't know exactly how this managed to happen,
46:44
Speaker 4: whether it was say, a disgruntled ex staffer who had
46:48
Speaker 4: the log in to the ABC News Facebook account, or
46:51
Speaker 4: whether someone got hold of a mate's Facebook account that
46:54
Speaker 4: had access to the ABC News page, or maybe someone
46:58
Speaker 4: on the other side of the world just decide it
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Speaker 4: would be a bit of fun to get hold of
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Speaker 4: a password and hack into the ABC news Facebook page.
47:05
Speaker 4: But someone managed to do it and they put up,
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Speaker 4: amongst other things, an image of Bonnie Blue, who is
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Speaker 4: a well known only fans pornographic actress from the UK,
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Speaker 4: and another British porn actress, Lily Phillips.
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Speaker 1: She was posted to the ABC's well.
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Speaker 4: They were clearly carrying on a theme here, so they
47:25
Speaker 4: also put up an image of the Prime Minister gobbling
47:29
Speaker 4: on a sausage. I think there were some other photographs
47:32
Speaker 4: as well, of the Prime Minister appealing to a girl
47:36
Speaker 4: I've got your vote and all this sort of thing.
47:38
Speaker 4: I do wonder though, and it probably did garner more
47:41
Speaker 4: attention than many things the ABC are doing. But if
47:44
Speaker 4: you had access to the ABC news Facebook page, is
47:47
Speaker 4: that what you would post or could you think up
47:50
Speaker 4: a better way to get at them?
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Speaker 2: Do yourick, Jamie.
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Speaker 6: I think that's exactly the sort of anger that you
47:54
Speaker 6: would go down.
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Speaker 5: See how much had been messing with everyone, all the
47:58
Speaker 5: employees and the scene is staff that Bonny Blue is
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Speaker 5: their profile picture.
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Speaker 6: You've nailed that and messed with your losses.
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Speaker 4: They could have announced her as the new host of
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Speaker 4: you know, ABC Sydney Breakfast Do or something or maybe
48:11
Speaker 4: or my beloved classic him.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's sad to Melbourne now, where Nick Curios
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Speaker 5: has been dubbed a best on ground from the nightclub scene.
48:22
Speaker 5: It has been reported that he was out on a
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Speaker 5: five night bender Let's take.
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Speaker 6: A look.
48:38
Speaker 5: Full's match, and he and his partner Leila Fernandez were
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Speaker 5: then thrashed. You would be livid if you were his partner.
48:45
Speaker 5: But I feel like I feel bad saying this was
48:48
Speaker 5: just typical Nick. He's always likes to be the fun
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Speaker 5: party boy.
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Speaker 2: He said to what three am in the morning.
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Speaker 6: Yea, and then rolls on out and has to play
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Speaker 6: batch of tennis.
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Speaker 2: I'm offended, not just for the partner he was playing with,
49:01
Speaker 2: but what about people who pay good money to go
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Speaker 2: to the tennis to watch this brilliant player and he
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Speaker 2: disrespects them by being up all night.
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Speaker 4: Oh it's been the frustrating thing about Curiosity. I mean,
49:13
Speaker 4: you know, the man clearly has ability. He made it
49:15
Speaker 4: to a Wimbledon final. But I think he enjoys the
49:18
Speaker 4: side activities a little more than the on court.
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Speaker 2: I think he does. All right, that's all we've got
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Speaker 2: time for tonight. We'll see it tomorrow coming up. In
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Speaker 2: just a moment, the readA Penney Show. Good Night,