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Tech Friday with Dave Hatter -- 12/5/25 · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, welcome back, my friend, Happy Friday.
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Speaker 2: Happy Friday, Brian.
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Speaker 1: Always good to be here, always good to talk to you.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with this local fan. You get a local
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Speaker 1: story on a Venmo scam. I don't do Venmo, so
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm in a probably a good place for
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Speaker 1: staying the hell away from those types of software apps,
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Speaker 1: you know, Brian.
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Speaker 2: That's a I think that's a good place to be.
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Speaker 2: I don't use for any of these things either, And
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Speaker 2: I want to start out and just tell people when
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Speaker 2: you use any of these sort of apps, right, especially
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Speaker 2: if you don't understand the terms of service, and you
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Speaker 2: know those are usually difficult to understand. Kind of confused
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Speaker 2: opoly and that sort of thing. You are putting yourself
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Speaker 2: at substantial risk because in most cases you have little
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Speaker 2: and or no protection whatsoever. You know, when you use
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Speaker 2: a credit card, there's some consumer protections around that. That's why,
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Speaker 2: you know, people that understand finance will usually tell you,
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Speaker 2: even though you have to be concerned about the debt component,
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Speaker 2: you know, don't overspend. It's better to shop with a
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Speaker 2: credit card because you have some consumer protection versus a
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Speaker 2: debit card. With these digital payment apps, you off zero
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Speaker 2: consumer protection whatsoever. And you know, many many people have
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Speaker 2: lost enormous amounts of money. So my advice is always
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Speaker 2: to folcus and I get you know, my kids love
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Speaker 2: this stuff. I try to talk them out of using it.
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Speaker 2: Have very little luck there, Brian. And I'm sure you
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Speaker 2: might might know when you when you talk to your
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Speaker 2: kids about these things. Although I know your son is
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Speaker 2: fairly technical, can handle it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have to interject because she is listening,
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Speaker 1: and good luck mom. Mom will be taking her first
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Speaker 1: Uber ride today that she arranged for to her lunch appointment,
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Speaker 1: so or she will be right. Yep, she's not nervous
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Speaker 1: about the ride itself. She's not worried for her safety.
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Speaker 1: But this is her very first foray into the into uber.
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Speaker 1: But that involves an app which she of course had
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Speaker 1: to put on her phone. I think my son put
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Speaker 1: the app on her phone for her.
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Speaker 2: Well. And you know, the thing is, Brian, if you
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Speaker 2: don't understand how to configure these things. And there was
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Speaker 2: some issue with Venmo years ago where like every transaction
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Speaker 2: you made was public by default, so someone knew what
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Speaker 2: they were looking for. You know, they could find pretty
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Speaker 2: much all the money you spent. Right. I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: that's necessarily bad, but do you really want that information
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Speaker 2: out there? And you know, could that be valuable to
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Speaker 2: bad guys in some way to say, Okay, you regularly
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Speaker 2: do this thing, We're going to send you an email,
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Speaker 2: carefully crafted phishing email or text that's designed to look
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Speaker 2: like you came from this place that you you know,
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Speaker 2: interact with regular basis. Oh there's a problem with your account.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's so important for people to remember the
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Speaker 2: bad actors in almost all of these cases are really
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Speaker 2: just professional con artists who are now reaching you through technology.
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Speaker 2: They'll tell you any lie, they'll say whatever they have
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Speaker 2: to say. You know, they'll in some cases, at lease
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Speaker 2: search you so they know what to say, they know
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Speaker 2: how to say it, They'll pivot to any topic. As
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Speaker 2: soon as you try to you start to question what
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Speaker 2: they're telling you. So, you know, I understand the convenience
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Speaker 2: of something like VENMO, I really do. However, I just
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Speaker 2: there's so much risk because people don't understand how to
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Speaker 2: configure these things correctly. They don't understand what they're up
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Speaker 2: against in terms of the con artists that are out
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Speaker 2: there constantly scamming people for this stuff. And again, you
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Speaker 2: have little to no consumer protection. So if you somehow
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Speaker 2: make a mistake and your money is gone, I can
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Speaker 2: almost guarantee you when you call your bank are going
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Speaker 2: to say, so let me get let me see if
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Speaker 2: I understand this correctly, you authorize this transaction.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, you're out of luck period, end of story.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's really you know, until this stuff gets
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Speaker 2: a lot more mature, and until people are much more
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Speaker 2: knowledgeable about the scams that are out there and how
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Speaker 2: these things work, and or until there are more consumer
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Speaker 2: protections when you use these types of payments, I would
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Speaker 2: strongly encourage you to stay away from these things.
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Speaker 1: Well real quick here, Yeah, I stay away from them
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Speaker 1: to avoid the scams that can go along with them. Briefly,
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Speaker 1: because in the interest of time, how exactly were people
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Speaker 1: scammed on this.
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Speaker 2: In this In this particular case, somebody's house burned down
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Speaker 2: and then scammers set up take profiles and sent out
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Speaker 2: you know, hey, help this family, and you know the
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Speaker 2: money went somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: Oh, using a Venmo mechanism to make the donation.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so I wanted the tips there. You know, you
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Speaker 2: donate to Venmo Charity Council, which have been vetted and
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Speaker 2: verified and they actually have a site Benmo dot com
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Speaker 2: slash charity. But you know even that, if you don't
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Speaker 2: know about that site, anyone can can create fake reviews. Sure,
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Speaker 2: anyone can claim to be a charity. You know, anyone
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Speaker 2: can copy something that looks realistic. So folks just be
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Speaker 2: careful and or you know, don't use it. If you
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Speaker 2: want to donate to a charity, go through someone like
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Speaker 2: the Better Business Ger to look it up and say
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Speaker 2: is this legitimate charity? You know, scams are everywhere, especially
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Speaker 2: this time of year.
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Speaker 1: Brian, especially this time of the year tech scams and
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Speaker 1: you know, as well as just simple porch pirate scams,
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Speaker 1: this has gone through the roof as well. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how you avoid that, but I mean, if you
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Speaker 1: have a video set of system set up in your
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Speaker 1: house like we do, you're going to have obviously the
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Speaker 1: video of someone stealing it off your porch, but you're
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Speaker 1: going to be able to find them, identify them, and
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Speaker 1: get your property back and just report it to the police.
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Speaker 1: And that's probably going to be end of that too.
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Speaker 2: Can keep your eyes have the resources to go after
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Speaker 2: all of it?
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Speaker 1: No, of course not if they can't go after people
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Speaker 1: who violated the terms of their ankle monitoring. I doubt
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Speaker 1: they're going after the guy who's the porch pirate for
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Speaker 1: and from themselves by avoiding a lot of things including
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Speaker 1: let us repeat for the umpteenth time, Dave Hatter says,
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Speaker 1: don't give your kids AI toys. But now you've got
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Speaker 1: some really high level support here, including a coalition of
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Speaker 1: leading child development specialists, which you're saying the same thing,
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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter.
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Speaker 3: Haha, Yeah, I'm sure this is a shocker. And you know, Brian,
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Speaker 3: I would go a step further than just the AI toys.
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Speaker 3: Oh that's in the headlines now, and I know we've
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Speaker 3: talked about this recently.
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Speaker 2: But the whole idea of Internet connected toys are not new,
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Speaker 2: and I mean digital slash electronic toys have been around
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Speaker 2: for a long time, you know, as a kids from
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Speaker 2: the late seventies and early eighties, I can remember like
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Speaker 2: Teddy Ruckspin and the Little Professor and all these, you know,
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Speaker 2: toys that were digital. But obviously there was no practical
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Speaker 2: Internet for the average person at that time, so you
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Speaker 2: didn't have to worry about is your kid in their
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Speaker 2: room talking to some stranger halfway across the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, all right, age, Remember the the g I
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Speaker 1: Joe's and the six million Dollar Man figures. You had
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Speaker 1: to pull a chord, pull a cord and it had
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Speaker 1: a recording inside it that would play, Yeah, okay, like
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Speaker 1: to reveal my age, Go ahead, Dave. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: Quite the advanced tech back then, but you know when
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Speaker 2: your kid was using one of these, like I had
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Speaker 2: this thing. You may remember this. It looked like a
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Speaker 2: little robotton I think it was called XL eight or something,
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Speaker 2: and it played educational eight tracks where it would it
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Speaker 2: had like four buttons and it would ask you a
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Speaker 2: question you would pick from one of these buttons, but
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Speaker 2: it would also play regular eight tracks. I can remember
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Speaker 2: playing the Geene Simmons solo album on it. But anyway, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was very advanced for its time,
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Speaker 2: especially for like an educational toy. But again it couldn't
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Speaker 2: connect to anything else exact content that you could access to.
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Speaker 2: It was limited to whatever content was on these tapes.
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Speaker 2: And you didn't have strangers halfway across the world watching
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Speaker 2: your kid at night through the camera and listening to
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Speaker 2: your kids microphone. And so you know, these IoT internet
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Speaker 2: of things, so called smart devices have been embedded in
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Speaker 2: toys now for probably a good decade. There was a
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Speaker 2: big kerfluffl over like an Internet connected Barbie at one point,
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Speaker 2: and you know, there had been numerous examples. If you
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Speaker 2: go out and looks of all kinds of toys, some
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Speaker 2: fairly well in the manufacturers that were Internet capable that
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Speaker 2: have had issues. But whether it has AI in or not,
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Speaker 2: I would just rely folks, if you give your kids
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Speaker 2: some kind of toy like this, a your ability to
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Speaker 2: control what they do through it versus let's say a
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Speaker 2: phone or a table or a computer is probably little
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Speaker 2: to none. The ability to understand what they have done
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Speaker 2: on it previously probably little to none. Do you know
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Speaker 2: how to set it up? Do you know how to
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Speaker 2: make sure it's getting software updates so that in the future,
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Speaker 2: bad guys can't explode some sort of utter ability that
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Speaker 2: either affects your kid or potentially affect you, because let's
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Speaker 2: say you might be working from home and these devices
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Speaker 2: are connected to the same network, and they could perhaps
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Speaker 2: be exploited to get to your devices. So that all
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Speaker 2: of that stuff is not new. Right now, you're throwing
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Speaker 2: the angle that some of these toys. You know, it
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Speaker 2: might look like a Teddy bear or something. It's the
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Speaker 2: modern version of the Teddy ruckspin. And now it connects
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Speaker 2: to some AI chatbot or something, and your kid can
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Speaker 2: interact with us, name, talk to it, you know whatever.
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Speaker 2: Do you really want the conversations your kid is having
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Speaker 2: with this thing permanently recorded? If you are a neighbor,
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Speaker 2: do you want your kid going to the neighbor's house
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Speaker 2: and having a conversation with the kid. Now your kid's
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Speaker 2: conversation is recorded, The parents' conversations are recorded, you know.
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Speaker 2: And when I see recorded, I'm not saying the audio necessarily,
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Speaker 2: although that might be, but certainly the interaction is going
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Speaker 2: into the LLM model somewhere. And then there's the whole,
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Speaker 2: as these consumer advocates put it out issue of Okay,
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Speaker 2: you know, the kids starts asking about things you'd rather
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Speaker 2: than not asked about, and you're not going to have
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Speaker 2: any visibility into this over time like you might if
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Speaker 2: they were on a computer. Maybe, And you know, as
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Speaker 2: researchers have seen now, many of them have tried to
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Speaker 2: push the limits to see what these things would say.
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Speaker 2: But you know, they talk about sex. In one case,
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Speaker 2: I think we talked about this last week. The guy
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Speaker 2: was purposely trying to see what it would tell him,
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Speaker 2: and they started asking about vives. Anything is telling what
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Speaker 2: he the AI thinks. It's talking to the extended things.
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Speaker 2: It's talking to a kid and telling them, you know
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Speaker 2: where to get knives in their house. So you know,
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Speaker 2: the idea that you're going to buy these things and
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Speaker 2: give them to children, to me just seems completely insane.
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Speaker 2: The job, it's all of the other smart smart device,
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Speaker 2: Internet of things risks that come along with it, and
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Speaker 2: now you're going to add in the potential airis on
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Speaker 2: top of it. I think it's just it's crazy. There
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Speaker 2: is no chance, you know, I don't have kids or
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Speaker 2: grandkids that would be in an age range where I
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Speaker 2: would buy something like this, but there I would not
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Speaker 2: even consider it, and I would as again we are today.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk to people out of or at
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Speaker 2: least you should vet something like this incredibly carefully right
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Speaker 2: by it, but I would tell you no chance, do not.
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Speaker 1: Buy something well, and given the knowledge you passed along,
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Speaker 1: all of it very factually based and well documented, with
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Speaker 1: incident after incident after incident of perverts out there telling
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Speaker 1: your children to cut themselves or film themselves naked or whatever,
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Speaker 1: I would think it's it is, you know, undeniably an
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Speaker 1: act of negligence to give your children access to one
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Speaker 1: of these types of devices.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nontheless so called smart devices you have in
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Speaker 2: your environment for people in any age, the better because
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Speaker 2: the incentives to the consumer are completely backwards. These things
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Speaker 2: are made to be easy to use. You know, the
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Speaker 2: manufacturers want speed to market, they want market share, they
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Speaker 2: want revenue. They're not focused on your privacy and security,
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Speaker 2: and in many you know, your privacy is being violated,
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Speaker 2: at least in a general sense, because they want to
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Speaker 2: collect as much data from you to monetize it because
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Speaker 2: that helps offset the cost of the product and creates
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Speaker 2: ongoing revenue, you know, above and beyond whatever you paid
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Speaker 2: for the device.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, collateral damage to your children, be damned. We want
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Speaker 1: our data. We don't care about you know, perverts out there,
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Speaker 1: getting in touch with them. Moving Dave back. Apparently Apple
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Speaker 1: more conversation we need to have in this segment about Apple,
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Speaker 1: which is normally a higher level security thing. But I
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Speaker 1: just wish these criminals would put as much effort toward
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Speaker 1: legitimate enterprise as they do to ripping us all off,
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Speaker 1: but apparently ripping us off as far more lucrative. What's
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Speaker 1: the This is a pretty complicated one from my perspective. There, Dave,
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Speaker 1: so explain this to us, this targeted attack thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Forbes recently reported on this, and they're not
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Speaker 2: the only ones. Again, Apple has put out warnings and
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Speaker 2: it's it's so important because this is a turning theme.
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Speaker 2: I mean, as far back as I can remember, these
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Speaker 2: kind of scams have been rampant, but apparently now they're
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Speaker 2: targeted towards Apple users. Saw this read real quick from
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Speaker 2: the Forbes article a new alert an issued a attackers
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Speaker 2: unleashed quote and ingenious Apple service HOSS unquote, convincing users
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Speaker 2: that account is under attacked. This came to light via
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Speaker 2: Apple Insider and a guy who reported on it there,
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Speaker 2: who said he quote almost lost everything for those email,
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Speaker 2: entire digital life to the most sophisticated fishing attack he'd
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Speaker 2: ever seen. So basically what happened is he got a
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Speaker 2: text that appears to be from an Apple. Now I've
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Speaker 2: said this a million times to you and anyone that
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Speaker 2: will listen, Brian, it is incredibly simple to create a
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Speaker 2: spoofed text. When you hear the term spoofing in this context,
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Speaker 2: it means creating something could be an email, could be
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Speaker 2: a website, could be a text message, could be a
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Speaker 2: call from a phone number. It looks legitimate to the
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Speaker 2: naked eye, but it's fake. So he gets a text
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Speaker 2: that looks like an MFA to right. Then he gets
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Speaker 2: another text, and then he gets a phone call claiming
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Speaker 2: to be from Apple. So these look like someone's trying
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Speaker 2: to log into his account. So that's the first angle, right,
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Speaker 2: the spooping. Now the second angle, social engineering. Hey, it
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Speaker 2: looks like someone might be trying to log into your
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Speaker 2: account because you're getting these multi factor authentication codes. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you did not initiate. So the setting you up to say, well,
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Speaker 2: yeah I saw these codes. Well, this is Apple Support.
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Speaker 2: Looks like someone's trying to hack your account. We want
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Speaker 2: to help you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well pause, pause, pause, okay, real quick. First off,
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Speaker 1: if I got that the code that I didn't ask for,
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Speaker 1: I got the code, which meaning the bad guys didn't
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Speaker 1: get it, it's on my phone. I would just delete
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Speaker 1: that and move on with my day. Second, to your point,
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Speaker 1: you get a call from Apple, Dave. How many people
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Speaker 1: do you think have an Apple device in the world?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Billion plus?
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Speaker 1: And do you think they have a support staff, whether
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Speaker 1: it's in pun Job or Quilam or anyplace else in
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Speaker 1: the world that can handle calling each individual Apple phone
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Speaker 1: user to let them know that there's a problem.
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Speaker 2: No, no, they don't.
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Speaker 1: Are they monitoring it real time? On our behalf? Would
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Speaker 1: they ever make a phone call to you or I? Right?
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Speaker 2: You know, Brian, you asked the question, are they monitoring
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Speaker 2: at real time? Maybe? Are they absolutely not?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not?
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Speaker 2: And you know Apple has said, as has Google and
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Speaker 2: Microsoft and others. You know, so from an Apple press release.
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Speaker 2: Apple says, don't answer suspicious calls or messages claiming to
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Speaker 2: be from Apple. Instead contact Apple directly to our official
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Speaker 2: support channel. Google has said the same thing. Microsoft has
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Speaker 2: said the same thing. You know, the FBI will tell
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Speaker 2: you the same thing. In fact, again this is from
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Speaker 2: the Spots article. The FBI is very clear on this
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Speaker 2: as well. Quote. Know the legitimate companies will never call
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Speaker 2: you and offer you tech support out of the blue.
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Speaker 2: If you get a call like this, hang up. No,
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Speaker 2: they don't have the resources to do this. They're not
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Speaker 2: You're not going to get a call out of the blue.
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Speaker 2: Now again, this has this extra twist. It's not just
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Speaker 2: a phone call telling you there's a problem with your computer,
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Speaker 2: your phone, or whatever. They have sent text legitimate messages
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Speaker 2: with security codes from Apple or Google fill in the
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Speaker 2: blank right in this case to catch you off guard.
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Speaker 2: So when you get that call from the continent artist
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Speaker 2: somewhere in a third world country who wants to get
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Speaker 2: into your Apple account, knowing that that will probably eventually
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Speaker 2: lead to your bank account and your entire digital life,
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Speaker 2: that that guy says, because you know, if I can
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Speaker 2: get your Apple ID, and I can take over your
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Speaker 2: Apple account, I can lock you out of it, and
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Speaker 2: then I essentially have unlimited time to try to get
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Speaker 2: into all your own accounts. Now I'm in there, we'll
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Speaker 2: send the reset code for email all that stuff, right,
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Speaker 2: because people will. I don't think they often connect the
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Speaker 2: dots that if I can an account like your Apple
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Speaker 2: account or your email account, once I'm in your email
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Speaker 2: account and lock you out, I can just go do it. Hey, look,
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Speaker 2: you got a password reset from Amazon, you got a
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Speaker 2: password reset from Fifth Third Bank. I'm going to ask
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Speaker 2: for a password reset. It's now coming to me because
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Speaker 2: I'm in control of your email account. Once I reset
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Speaker 2: the password on your bank account, guess what, I just
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Speaker 2: stole all your money. So again, I don't think people
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Speaker 2: often think far enough ahead to connect the dots of
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Speaker 2: what it would mean to have their email compromise in
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Speaker 2: today's world where everything is connected to that. It's one
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Speaker 2: of the reasons why it's better to have more than
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Speaker 2: one email account, so that maybe the stammy stuff, the
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Speaker 2: less important stuff, is going to a different account than
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Speaker 2: the really critical one so that you can protect it
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Speaker 2: very carefully. But again, they're setting you up here with
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Speaker 2: these fake texts. I can write a program that will
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Speaker 2: just generate fake messages like this all day long, billions
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Speaker 2: of people.
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Speaker 1: Day law well, hoping that day you've convinced me. I'm
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Speaker 1: just praying to God that at least one person today
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Speaker 1: got enlightenment from you and saves themselves from themselves and
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Speaker 1: doesn't all prey to these kind of crazy hoaxes because
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Speaker 1: there is a there are a multitude of them. Thank
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Speaker 2: My friend, always my pleasure, Brian, send to you and
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