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College Football chaos, Sports media's gambling obsession, Deion Sanders' done? | 10.29 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
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  Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
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  Speaker 1: a hater. And this is that time of week where
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  Speaker 1: we have a hater join us, coming to us live
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  Speaker 1: from D.C. Check him out on the Ranger tailgate. And
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  Speaker 1: please note he has a framed jersey behind him with
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  Speaker 1: his last name, not because he liked the player, just because.
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  Speaker 2: It says Anderson on it. Joel Anderson, what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: What kind of introduction is that?
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  Speaker 4: What do you want this podcast episode to be? What
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  Speaker 4: do you mean? What do you want it to be?
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  Speaker 1: Look, I have identified you.
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  Speaker 4: In the way that.
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  Speaker 1: I've identified you the way the audience knows you and
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  Speaker 1: recognizes you. So once I say that, they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be Joel.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no. People know me for, I would hope,
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  Speaker 4: some of my other work, you know, about Clarence Thomas,
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  Speaker 4: Slow Burn 8, Slow Burn 6, the L.A. Riots, the
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  Speaker 4: piece I wrote on Michael Sam.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we told them about that.
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  Speaker 1: We told them about that when you was the fastest
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  Speaker 1: 10-year-old in America.
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  Speaker 4: See, I mean, you know, I mean, look, I just
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  Speaker 4: want everybody that watches this show to see what is
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  Speaker 4: going on here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even.
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  Speaker 4: What? I gave you.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: I have not said anything negative about both. Hold on,
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  Speaker 4: hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 1: I got attacked.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I want to be clear.
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  Speaker 1: You seem to be taking the 10 year old thing personally,
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  Speaker 1: as if the only, the only reason I know this
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  Speaker 1: is not because you told us about it repeated.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I just kind of felt like you
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  Speaker 4: just leaped over. You left over a lot of other things.
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  Speaker 4: I was going through a list of some of my,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I was, in fact, I was going to
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  Speaker 4: bring up my LinkedIn and go through all my honors
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  Speaker 4: and achievements. And I was going to read them off here.
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  Speaker 4: So people know that there's more to me than running
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  Speaker 4: fast when I was 10 years old. And, allegedly being
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  Speaker 4: a hater and i don't think i'm a hater at
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  Speaker 4: all and i don't think.
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  Speaker 1: People really think that division.
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  Speaker 4: One really believe that i'm.
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  Speaker 2: A hater division one college athlete.
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  Speaker 3: There you go thank you i appreciate that man thanks.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you start rattling off your achievements that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: give me some professional ptsd that i don't necessarily need.
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  Speaker 3: What what professional ptsd.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to me now, believe me later on.
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  Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: I got you.
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  Speaker 1: I got you. Anyway, I mentioned you on the Ranger
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  Speaker 1: tailgate with Van Lathan and Tay Frazier, both of whom,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess TCU has a football team this year.
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  Speaker 1: We just don't ever talk about it, but that's better
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  Speaker 1: than they football teams. They got LSU and North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: and you would much rather have a football team that
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  Speaker 1: don't nobody really talk about than be like them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's a hell of a windup.
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  Speaker 4: Of those teams, Of those three programs, mine is the
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  Speaker 4: only one that has recently played in a national championship game.
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  Speaker 3: But fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: This is true. And the only one to lose by
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  Speaker 1: 50-something points.
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  Speaker 3: You got to be in it to win it, though.
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  Speaker 2: That's very true.
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  Speaker 3: You got to be in it to win it.
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  Speaker 2: You're not wrong.
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  Speaker 3: You got to be in it. You're not wrong.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, they are going, it is very weird
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  Speaker 4: how they're going through like really miserable football years at
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  Speaker 4: the same time we all got thrown together. Because I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I thought North, I didn't think North Carolina would be good.
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  Speaker 4: But I didn't think they would be as bad as
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  Speaker 4: they were. Although I will say they do seem to
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  Speaker 4: be better the last couple of weeks. The last couple
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  Speaker 4: of games.
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  Speaker 3: Are doing better.
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  Speaker 4: And the LSU thing, man, like. What can we I mean. I,
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  Speaker 4: I think that all of them are being ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you believe that Penn State should not have
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  Speaker 1: fired Franklin and you believe that LSU should not have
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  Speaker 1: fired Brian Kelly.
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  Speaker 4: I think that the odds are that at some point
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  Speaker 4: in the next five to 10 years, that one of
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  Speaker 4: those guys would figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: If not both of them, that they would get eventually right.
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  Speaker 1: Fast.
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  Speaker 2: How do you define, figure it out?
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  Speaker 3: Well, they would go in a championship, national championship, a
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  Speaker 3: national championship.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that one of them would just cause
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  Speaker 4: you know, some years things don't break your way. You
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  Speaker 4: have fumbles or whatever, but then one year, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Ohio state's replacing a quarterback or they lose a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of guys to injury or Ryan day decides he wants to,
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  Speaker 4: Be the coach of the New York Giants. Things like
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  Speaker 4: that happen. And eventually, they would be in position to
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  Speaker 4: seize on that. Because, I mean, I just, I wonder
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  Speaker 4: if Brian Kelly had another, because LSU should be used
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  Speaker 4: to eight and four. That's the thing. I dig that.
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  Speaker 3: Acting like they're too good to go eight and four.
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  Speaker 4: Oh. They acting like they're too good to go eight
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  Speaker 4: and four. And that is really the story of their program,
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  Speaker 4: but for the exceptional few seasons, right?
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That is correct.
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  Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question on that front, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because I agree with you on that, that they are,
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  Speaker 1: LSU is plus or minus nine, maybe nine and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's where the line pretty much gets set in
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  Speaker 1: most years, right? But if you settle for plus or
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  Speaker 1: minus nine, will you not always be plus or minus nine?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like at some point you have to show
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  Speaker 1: a little proof of concept. Like I think the problem
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  Speaker 1: for Franklin and why I thought, okay, you guys had
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  Speaker 1: to do this. It wasn't about the wins and losses.
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  Speaker 1: It's which wins and which losses. And at some point
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  Speaker 1: you got to win the ones that matter. So it
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  Speaker 1: was very interesting. Mack Brown survived losing five years in
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  Speaker 1: a row to Oklahoma when he was at Texas. In
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  Speaker 1: an embarrassing fashion.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But he was kicking A & M' s teeth in along
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  Speaker 1: the way. And look, he was one terrible pass interference
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  Speaker 1: call in 2004 away. From losing that job. The Kansas
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  Speaker 1: call where Mark Mangino was like, the fix is in.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I understand why you feel that way, brother.
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  Speaker 1: It looks that way. But I guess for schools on
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  Speaker 1: that level, look, LSU has won three national championships in
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  Speaker 1: the last 25 years. Right. I get maybe why they
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  Speaker 1: feel that way, but at the same time with you,
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  Speaker 1: I feel where you're like, okay, these results are not
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  Speaker 1: terribly out of line, but do you not add something
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  Speaker 1: to the fact that don't nobody like that man?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that is the whole ball game with Brian Kelly.
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  Speaker 4: I knew that he wasn't liked. Did you know that
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  Speaker 4: he was the most reviled man in college football? Because
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  Speaker 4: that is certainly what it seems to be. It has
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  Speaker 4: been very hard to even find former players to say, hey, thanks,
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  Speaker 4: Brian Kelly, for believing in me.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, man. I called a former player when he took
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  Speaker 1: the LSU job because, again, I was struck that he
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  Speaker 1: did not bring a single assistant with him. And a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of them stayed with that wavy-headed boy at Notre Dame, right?
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  Speaker 4: Which seems like a very dangerous prospect, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: That was a risky play.
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  Speaker 4: Let me say with the brother here at Notre Dame,
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  Speaker 4: or let me go to Brian Kelly winning coach going
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  Speaker 4: to LSU.
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level coach, right? Now, look, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if Brian Kelly asked any of them to come, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but I asked a former player of his, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: so is there anything that we're getting wrong here about
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kelly? And he said, just no. Like he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: mad about it. He didn't express any disdain. Like he
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  Speaker 1: seems to just not have relationships at all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I was reading the top of a
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  Speaker 4: story from ESPN like a few years ago where it
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  Speaker 4: talked about some assistants that had worked with him at
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  Speaker 4: Central Michigan. And they thought they were getting invited to
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  Speaker 4: a party at his house. And it turned out he
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  Speaker 4: had them doing work. You remember, it's kind of like
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  Speaker 4: the Hakeem situation when he was in the McDonald's house.
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  Speaker 1: You thought you got invited, now you got to park cars.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Gave him a little coat.
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  Speaker 4: And they were just like, and I learned through that
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  Speaker 4: experience that if I ever got in that position, I
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  Speaker 4: would never treat somebody that way. And I was like,
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  Speaker 4: this is a quote, too, in a story.
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  Speaker 1: I believe there was a name attached to it.
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  Speaker 3: There was a.
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  Speaker 4: Name attached to it. It's like, yo, people do not
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  Speaker 4: have any problem going off on that dude. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he clearly.
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  Speaker 5: The two people involved you're referencing are Matt LaFleur and
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  Speaker 5: Robert Sala.
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  Speaker 3: And they were on the record.
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  Speaker 4: Robert Sala.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan rarely jumps in on the two bad episodes. It
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  Speaker 1: had to jump in because LSU fan has run through
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  Speaker 1: all of these.
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  Speaker 4: This is why his ass ain't here no more.
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  Speaker 1: Like Brian Kelly is like eight different levels of the
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  Speaker 1: draft day movie, but nobody came to his birthday party.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Like it's, it's all.
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  Speaker 1: And look, it is. He's not the only thing about this.
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  Speaker 1: As much as you think Nick Saban is a jerk.
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  Speaker 2: People don't talk about Nick Saban like this.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Not even close.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so there's two things with Nick Saban. And
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  Speaker 4: I always kind of feel like people are scared of
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  Speaker 4: him for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 3: Like, they call him Daddy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's wild.
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  Speaker 4: Homeboy had to diss his homeboy, Steve Sarkeesian. He's like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 4: Daddy's going to be on me if I don't do it.
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  Speaker 3: Was that Pete Golding?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Pete Golding. It was, but hey, hey, brother.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what the circumstances or situations are. Could not...
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  Speaker 1: be me. We're going to have to come up with
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  Speaker 1: a different name.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you're not going to call another man daddy?
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  Speaker 1: We got to draw the line somewhere, baby.
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  Speaker 2: We got to draw the line. We got to draw
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  Speaker 2: the line somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody getting called daddy and is not your actual daddy,
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  Speaker 1: that is a title that one must earn and one
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  Speaker 1: that Nick Saban cannot.
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  Speaker 2: At least not for me.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, someday Nick Saban has to come into my
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  Speaker 4: house and meet my family and I'm referring to you
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  Speaker 4: as daddy. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: In front of my wife and kids.
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  Speaker 1: I just, I just, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that's toxic masculinity or whatever, but.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine, imagine the way your woman is going to
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  Speaker 1: look at you when you call this man daddy.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes. I mean, bro, I just, so, so, but
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  Speaker 4: obviously something is special with him, but also he's excellent.
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  Speaker 4: Like his, the, the, the, you know, it's also, you know,
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  Speaker 4: So we saw Brian Kelly dancing with recruits, right? And
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  Speaker 4: it looked goofy as hell.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen Nick Saban do the Cupid Shuffle, and he
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  Speaker 4: looked like he was on beat, on time with all
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: So obviously, he's also just got a little swag. He
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  Speaker 4: carries himself different. Brian Kelly ain't got none of that, man.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: And at a place where they like their coaches to
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  Speaker 1: be fun in some form or fashion like Louisiana is
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  Speaker 1: not a boring place like it's just you got to
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  Speaker 1: provide some measure of entertainment but let me tell you
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  Speaker 1: our last show we talked about the fact that it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like any jobs are good anymore no right
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  Speaker 1: like there's no the pressure at every job is now
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  Speaker 1: professional caliber pressure. And you're looking at a three, four,
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  Speaker 1: five year sort of schedule.
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  Speaker 2: Because again, we've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 1: It is entirely possible that Auburn is going to come
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  Speaker 1: open as a job. Like that one is still on
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  Speaker 1: the board as one that could come out there. Florida State,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think any of us think it's possible that
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  Speaker 1: they don't make a move. I think North Carolina has
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  Speaker 1: no choice but to make a move. How much money
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  Speaker 1: would you have to pay to get somebody to sign
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  Speaker 1: up for whatever the fuck it is that they over
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  Speaker 1: there doing? Virginia Tech, we forget Virginia Tech is still
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  Speaker 1: on the board. That job came open. There was another
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  Speaker 1: job that came open that same week. UCLA, still out there.
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  Speaker 1: I think Arkansas is going to do the hilarious thing.
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  Speaker 4: With that job.
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  Speaker 5: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I actually kind of can't blame him.
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  Speaker 4: No, because who else are you going to get?
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  Speaker 1: And who else are you going to get?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he wants to be there. He's not a
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  Speaker 4: bad coach. No.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't get fired because he was bad.
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  Speaker 1: No, he was the best coach they've had since Frank Broyles.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, man. Yeah. So it's just like I kind of
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  Speaker 4: can see why they might just want to be. We
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  Speaker 4: can sit this out. We got somebody that already knows
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  Speaker 4: how we like things here.
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  Speaker 1: And we ain't got to pay him that much because
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  Speaker 1: there is no competition to hire him.
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  Speaker 4: Uh-uh that's right it's just it's just you we know
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  Speaker 4: we know what the market is for you right now
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  Speaker 4: bro think.
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  Speaker 1: About this he has people who go with him to
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  Speaker 1: different jobs and brian kelly doesn't yeah man bobby petrino
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  Speaker 1: is who we're talking about for those of you who
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  Speaker 1: don't know there are people who are loyal to bobby
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  Speaker 1: petrino and nobody's loyal.
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  Speaker 4: To brian i have played for guys that people hated
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  Speaker 4: you know what i mean like just no and i've
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  Speaker 4: just never seen people talk about a person in the
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  Speaker 4: way that Brian Kelly has been talked about. But I wonder,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is he's still a good football coach.
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  Speaker 4: I think he'll get one of these jobs.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's possible.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a job that he's willing to take? Cause
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  Speaker 1: he's 64 years old.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a good thing. So like, listen, what if,
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  Speaker 4: what if I give you one of these two jobs,
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  Speaker 4: Michigan state or Wisconsin, if one of those come up
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  Speaker 4: and they hired him, that's not a bad hire for them.
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  Speaker 1: Is it? I, it's not a bad hire for them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, so I don't think it's a great hire
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  Speaker 1: for Wisconsin because I don't think you can run the
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  Speaker 1: kind of offense Brian Kelly wants to run. and be
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  Speaker 1: successful at Wisconsin. I think Wisconsin, we're just going to
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  Speaker 1: line up and mash you out.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they do. Michigan State, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, he has grown accustomed to a lifestyle,
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  Speaker 1: shall we say, as it relates to coaching.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the money, just the places he's been.
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  Speaker 1: Golfing. I think it's a giant step down from what
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  Speaker 1: is possible at Notre Dame and at LSU to Michigan
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  Speaker 1: State and Wisconsin. I think that Michigan State in particular,
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  Speaker 1: I think that is a huge drop from what like
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  Speaker 1: getting used to a job where, look, they mad at
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  Speaker 1: you for eight and four at LSU. They'll be fairly
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  Speaker 1: happy with you for nine and three at Michigan State.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think he wants to live that life again.
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  Speaker 4: I hear. See, to me, that sounds like a good
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  Speaker 4: job because that's when you were talking about this. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, you said there's no good. Are there any
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  Speaker 4: good jobs? You know what sounds like a good job?
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  Speaker 3: Ole Miss.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think Ole Miss is a good job anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I think Lane is blowing the box.
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  Speaker 3: You think he's blowing it up now?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they've been going to Sugar Bowls, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: they've been going to these levels of games. They are
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  Speaker 1: probably going to finish in the top 10 this year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I think that used to be. So we
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  Speaker 1: talked about this. I don't think even Kentucky is what
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  Speaker 1: Kentucky used to be, where if you can go seven,
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  Speaker 1: eight wins every year and just don't embarrass them, you'll
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  Speaker 1: make your money and everything will be okay. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's like that anymore. I'm curious if you still
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  Speaker 1: think that that's something that people will be able to
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  Speaker 1: pull off in the Big Ten and the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: You might be able to pull it off. I put
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  Speaker 2: it like this. you can't go back to nine wins
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  Speaker 2: a year at Clemson anymore. For example, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean?
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  Speaker 4: I think so. The thing is, is will fans ever
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: catch up with the reality of modern college football, right? Like,
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: will they be able to say, you know what? This
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: is a lot more like the NFL. They're playing a
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: lot more competitive conference games. You can loop, you can
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: take a couple of losses and shoot man. Rosters aren't
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: as deep as they used to be. So if you
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: get a few injuries, it can really take you out
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: of the running.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: So I, If fans.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: Can kind of come to that understanding, would it be like, man,
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: just because the Chiefs lost, it doesn't mean they're sorry, right?
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: Or one year the Bengals don't make the playoffs and
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: people are like, oh, that's horrible. People have sort of
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: an understanding that things are going to happen on a
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: year-to-year basis. But as long as you're consistently good and
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: consistently contending, people will understand.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: But what do you call contending consistently?
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: Just being able to make the playoffs and have an
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: outside shot at the championship.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: So you're saying, and I'm assuming that when you say
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: that you mean for like a certain echelon of program, right?
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: Like, so that's the L that's the LSU should be
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: able to accept eight and four every night.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: Again, is what I'm saying.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Every now and again.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Yes. Um, how often, how often should they win 11?
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Cause Brian Kelly won 10 twice in.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: A 10 year span for four, 11.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: 4 out of 10 at 11?
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like you have undercut your argument because that
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: feels like a lot of 11s.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, man, because you're going to get weak schedules sometimes.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: So that would be 11 and 1. Maybe I should
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: say 10.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, keep in mind they got to play Alabama every year.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: That's right. They got to play Alabama every year.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: And Texas A & M every year.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Tough, yeah. So, yeah.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I'll go back to 10. Maybe I'll go
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: 10 wins every 3 to 4.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: And by the way, the 10 will be a 10
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: and 2. I think we need to specify.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Ten and two.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: So you got to accept that you're going to lose
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: a couple games, right? But you know what, Bo? The
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: way I was going to say it, the piece that
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: has blown all this up and makes people unreasonable.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Kurt Cignetti and Clark Lee.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Yes, it is.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Look, Kurt Cignetti.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I think Kurt Cignetti even more than Clark Lee.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: Man, dog. Kentucky's looking at Indiana and they're like, what?
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: They're right there.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: What are you?
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: How they doing this?
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: With the James Madison All-Star. Yeah, bro. I know I've
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: talked about this many times on this show, but it's
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: a bunch of guys he brought. Like when Deion went
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: to Colorado and said he was bringing his luggage and
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: it was Louie. Dog, he rolled up with duffel bags.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Dog, he just.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Still flossy.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, and they look great.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: They look great.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: They put Indiana uniforms on, and all of a sudden
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: they became Oregon, you know? And so I'm sure Kentucky
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: is like, they don't even have boys in that state.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? They don't even got, where
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: are they getting these people from, you know? And so
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that they're looking at that, and probably to
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: a less extent, T.J., like Clark Lee in Vanderbilt, and
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Vanderbilt's bullying LSU.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Think about this.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: James Franklin won some games at Vanderbilt. Like, I want
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: to say he got some wins over Georgia, but it
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: was like, I mean, I guess this is down as LSU,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: but it was like kind of down Georgia. But James
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Franklin parlayed that into this Penn State job with a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: couple of seasons in the top 25. And by the way, deserved.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Well done.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Vanderbilt so hard.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Clark Lee could not have done this without what
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Franklin had done prior to kind of legitimize the place. Absolutely.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying, if what James Franklin did at Vanderbilt
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: could get you Penn State, what exactly can Clark Lee
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: get out of doing this at Vanderbilt? Because I don't
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: hear his name being talked about as a guy to
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: go to LSU.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Right. I mean, because he's home. Vanderbilt is home for him. So, yeah,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I know. I know because Jonathan Smith. See, I bet
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Smith. This is what these guys need to be
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: thinking about. Jonathan Smith, they loved him in Oregon State, man. Yes.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: But to be fair, they ain't got a conference. Oregon
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: State became a completely different job.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right. And when he left, that's right. He had
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to go somewhere. But I wonder if they just don't
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: think they can dislodge Clark. I mean, the thing is,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: if that's the guy you want, you have to make
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: him say no. Because, I mean, the reality of Vanderbilt
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: is that he's not.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Going to be able to do this year over year
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: over year.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Right? Well, hold on.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question on that. Clearly, Indiana
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: thinks that you can do it year over year there
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: because they're paying that coach like you can.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. And I'll be honest with you.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I thought that this new world order would lead to
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Indiana just being a feeder for other programs. Right. Like
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Michael Pennix going to Washington after having been at Indiana.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I thought that that's what it was going to be.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I guess it never dawned on me that they could
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: ever be a 10-11 win program.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: But they look like they're going to be buyers.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've never been to Bloomington. Have you been
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: to Bloomington before?
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: I've heard it's nice.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: They were good at basketball once.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, man. There ain't that many
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: states that truly worry me.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've done any driving through Indiana.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: The Indiana that ain't got no dots.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Did not like it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Are you talking about Hammond?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: No, that's Illinois. Not as Indiana. You're right.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Southern Indiana. I have been to Hammond.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And I will say about Hammond, the project got white
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: people in it. And that is, you're right. But yeah, Hammond, Indiana,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: which is close to Chicago. That's why I said Illinois.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: But I'm talking about down south.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that Bloomington stuff.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know where exactly it is. I'm just telling you.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I done done a lot of driving, man. I've done
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the east of Kentucky. I've done all the deep south.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I've done all the west. I've done all I-10. I've
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: done all I-40. Indiana felt a little different.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Really, man?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt a little different.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I could see that.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember what state felt like that for me.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Maybe the south Georgia actually kind of felt like that
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: to me a little bit.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. South Georgia's a little worrisome. But yeah, I've
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: done all the way across Kentucky from like Louisville going
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: back to North Carolina. So it's Kentucky with a little
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: dovey ain't.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Throwing in there.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, that's all right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I do remember I went to get some gas in
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: eastern Kentucky, and that was the most transactional encounter I've
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: ever had in the south.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like going to the bodega up north. Boom, boom, go.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Get out of here?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: He ain't have nothing to say to me. I ain't
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: have nothing to say to him.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Man, that's crazy.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: It's funny about those areas because- Florida low-key got a
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: lot of those spots. Like just even within the Tampa
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Bay area, they used to, oh man, I'll never forget.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: I used to have to work Sundays in Pasco County.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Pasco County has, I'm trying to think what the Lake,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Lando Lakes would be one of the cities there. So
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that, or Dade City, Dade City
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: is a place.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: It's a Pasco.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: That's where Pennix is from, right?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Pennix is from, right.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: So there's one side of the county that is very
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: rural and another part that's very suburban and kind of
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: close to the water.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: So one day I get a call. They say, oh, man,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: there's been a.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Shooting over on Teak Street in Newport Ritchie.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: And so I look this, you know, I'm looking it
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: up to see. And I see.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: In the archives, Teak Street Nazi Compound. I told the editor,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I was like, bro, I'm sorry. It was the only
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: time I've ever been like, nah, I'm not doing it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Because they had killed, the reason it was famous, because
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: they had killed a black dude who was over there
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: to see some girl that he was trying to visit.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: And I was like, bro, I just... I can't do it, man.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: So there's some spots even within, like, Tampa that are
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: kind of like, I don't want to be over there, man.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing about playing college football that the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: young boys don't necessarily know to inquire about is, like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: know your surroundings because you could be signing up for, like,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: campus is super dope wherever campus may be, but it's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a few. Like, Penn State is one of those where
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I don't think I would do that.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, we say pencil tucking.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Pencil tucking. I don't think I would do that. They
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: clearly get players, and they spent the money, and they
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: got the dudes there, and Philly guys still want to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: go there, and that still produces a decent number of people,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and you can get New Jersey guys and all of that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: But that feels a lot like College Station East. And
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: by the way, College Station is just whack.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: College Station does.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Not scare me.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Doesn't scare you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't have that. It's just college station.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah. So college station is funny because yeah, like
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: when you grow up in Houston, if you have never
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: been up there, you assume that it's kind of close.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I thought it was just more black than it was
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: up there than it actually is.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: And yeah, it's in a very kind of rural area,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: but you know what A & M got, man?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: They got them.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: A & M got them, man. A & M got them, bro.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Shout out to the Southwest Black Leadership Conference they used
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: to have down there every fall.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: It sounds like they was there for the conference.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: There was other stuff. I can't say what it is.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I don't remember what it is. But it was not,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I could kind of understand going there and being like, well,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: I took my wife through there once, Janae, and she
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: said it looked like a farm and an office complex.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: And I'll say, yeah, okay.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Texas A & M got a zillion people, so they
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: got something, but I'm not.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It could be fun there.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I'm nodding.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: It could be fun there. The Penn State thing to
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: me is more.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Because I'm like, okay, we don't have any proof or
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: concept that brothers actually will choose Penn State without some
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: exceptional circumstances. Joe Paterno was a whole different time, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: they were taking brothers.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: way before the schools in the South were.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: So they had access to talent that a lot of
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: other people didn't have, and Joe Paterno promoted a certain
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: kind of a culture that could have been welcoming to
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the brothers that wanted to play there. All right, he
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: goes away. They get Bill O'Brien for a couple years.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Then you get James Franklin, who's a really charismatic brother
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: who can recruit the DMV pretty well. Like, this is
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: his area, getting up and down here. I mean, can...
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Matt rule get the same kind of brother that want
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: to come now.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, but they, but so this is raises the question,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: which is, these are the things that have mattered forever.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And how much do they matter now that we talking
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: about paying people?
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Well, because I, cause I mean, I think at some
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: point though, that there's gotta be some, like the market
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: for players can't have, but so much variance at a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: certain level, like these things on the margins, I feel
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: like still have to matter because, um to a degree
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: especially if you're dealing with kid the kids that come
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: from means which is a lot more players than at
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: least it feels like a lot more players than it
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: used to be so come some of our like adages
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: about coming out of poverty that don't seem to apply
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: nearly as much as they used to to these players
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: um but i mean no but i do i do
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: think you raise a fair question now can matt real
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: do it but to be fair man brother's been signing
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: up to play for white boys forever like That's true.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: That's not a new situation.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's true.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: But they ain't signed up to play for every white
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: boy at every place.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: No.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Like, Ole Miss, it was until very recently that people
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: were like, all right.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I still can't believe they do it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right. Because we come from a time where you
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: could turn on TV and they just had them flags
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: blowing in the wind in the stands, man. Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Even Tommy Tuberville had to be like, could y'all stop
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: doing that?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Y'all are making my job hard. Please stop doing that.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Y'all, you're scaring the bros.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: You're scaring the bros. You're scaring the bros. But, I mean,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Ole Miss has changed. And you actually made a really
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: good point because I think about a lot of how
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the demographics have changed and sort of like the cultural
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: reality for elite football.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Players has changed.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Because it ain't like the old days, man, where your
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: five-star is Stady Yates.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: They went Yates for all four years or whatever. Like,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: dumb kid.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Bobby Taylor had a kid.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Bobby Taylor who played college ball at Notre Dame and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: played for the Eagles in the league.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Played for the Eagles. Six foot four corner.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: His kid went to a school inside the city limits,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Houston Heights, and then he finished at Katy. And I
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: was just thinking about like, oh, that's the kind of
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: stuff that happens now.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: That's a very Florida thing that really wasn't happening in
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Texas before.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Kids will move out or plan out in Allen or,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: you know, one of them, you know, we see brothers
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: playing for Westlake and Lake Travis and stuff like that now.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Stuff that just did not, usually those schools did not
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: have those kind of athletes.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Those alums of those schools for those who don't know Westlake,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees High School, Lake Travis, Baker Mayfield High School,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Baker Reagan Mayfield, just so you understand the point that
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: we're making here.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: That's right. That's right. So it was kind of, so,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: you know, these kids are sort of operating, you're right.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: So on that point, they operate in a different reality.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: They have a very different relationship with community than we
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: used to have. It used to matter when, for example,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: in Mizzou, Mizzou, the reason they had problems for so
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: long getting brothers there is that they had black media,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: radio DJs in St. Louis that actively discouraged their top
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: black athletes from going to Mizzou. Like they would show
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: up at your house and be like, I can't tell
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: you where to go, but I wouldn't send my kid there.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: And Mizzou had a real difficult time tapping into that
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: kind of talent because people would just that they had
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: just that kind of resistance but I don't even know
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: that that kind of community exists anymore anywhere like I
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: don't even know like who would be the voice that
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: people would listen to that would say you may not
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: want to go to Florida I mean you know that's
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: not a school that's a place that's that's sort of
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: hostile to you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels much more transactional now. We don't have
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that much proof of concept on this, obviously. It's a
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: new world that we're in. But yeah, the question is
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: exactly how much of those little things matter. Like Forty
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was on here talking the other day, and he's right
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that spending money on facilities is a bad play these
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: days because it makes sense to spend money on facilities
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: when you couldn't give the money directly to the players.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Now that feels like a bad use of money. But
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: at the same time, one.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Would think the facilities should matter, but something to consider.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And I say this as we go into the break,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: when these coaches take these jobs, they don't go, they
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: don't set foot on campus. If a coach has never
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: been to a university, there's no time for, well, I'm
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: going to go take a tour, let my wife go
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: around and check out the schools.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: There's no time for that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: These guys are deciding to go to places they've literally
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: never been, often with facilities they've never seen.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Well, Bo, you know what? It's actually interesting. I'm hearing
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: that a lot, too, about transfers now, too. People that
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: go in transfer portals, if they've already been through the
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: recruiting process, they'll pick a school not even had been
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: on campus there, which I'm like, That's shocking to me.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I could do that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: If you go to a place, you already took an official.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, I see that. Or there's a coach there that
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you like. But yeah, to me, the idea of going
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to these places, especially when you have options, is wild.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: But what else are they supposed to do? Yeah, man.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I always think coaches get a bad rap on the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: way that they lead these schools. There's no good way
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to do it. It's not possible. You don't, hey, kids,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: just giving you a heads up. I might be out
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of here. But then you can't come back. Right. Right.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: You're out on us.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: There is no coach transfer portal and everybody understands that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you're just doing what you can. Like, it's not an option.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: These moves have to be made very, very quickly. And like,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the next day you got to start recruiting you just
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: put on a whole new hat right and you become
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: an entirely different person.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah it's just tough man you're right i i
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: look i'm not a coach apologist but i do i
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: i think it just kind of like we've just done,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I think people do have to kind of understand the
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: reality of coaches has changed a lot now, man.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Like this is a very difficult job.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: And even if you've excelled at it in the previous decade,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: there was some evidence that Nick Saban wasn't quite acclimating
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: to the new era as much as he liked, right?
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Like those Alabama, those last couple of Alabama teams weren't
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: as good as the ones of earlier vintage. So it's,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: People are going to need time to figure it out.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: And because of all these shifting dynamics, you know, I mean,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of people clearly going to get fired until
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: we finally settle into this stuff.
• 30:25
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  Speaker 4: All right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: So I talk about Hayden as Joel doing the ranger
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: tailgate podcast, but he also does another podcast where Brian
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Curtis called the press box where he makes faces just
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: like the one that he made. because they be spitting
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: truth on there like I just spit truth so the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: truth be making him scrunch his face up sometimes again.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I mean people that know me know that I love
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: my nobody will ever say I don't love my people
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: oh sorry I'm not your people well I'm just saying
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: you're the one that came on here treating me like.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: This treating you like this.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: I mean people rewind the tape you can go it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: on YouTube just go back and you can see how
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Bo welcomed me onto the show it's fine you still
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: my brother dog I love you dog.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: It's okay I'm tough. I have thick skin.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: No, you don't.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: But the press box, you guys talk about media issues
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and something I've seen awful announcing broach, and I think
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: you guys got into it a little bit on your part,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: but I do think is interesting is that the stick
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to sports people won, right? Like we really do just
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: kind of stick and ball discussions. They even find that
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of my content moved more in that direction,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: but it's in part because it did feel in a
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: way like much of the audience wanted to move kind
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of back in that direction.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: And I do think that if you look at nine, 10.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Years ago, the topics that are kind of running the game,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: we don't have a Colin Kaepernick right now, right? Like
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: we don't have, there is no, there's no like Joe Paterno,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Penn State scandal of the likes. Like, and I don't,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: or maybe these things are happening and we just don't
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: talk about it. I don't have the greatest answer exactly
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: for that. But this gambling story, is one that felt
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: like it would have been wall-to-wall coverage all over the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: place with a zillion different angles on how to explore
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: it with lots of lawyers, some who are still lawyers,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: some who are lawyers that were turned sports bloggers, but
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: giving their read on the paperwork and everything else. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: it feels like sports media has actually somehow gotten less
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: interesting and less adept in the course of the last
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: 10 years to tackle things where I felt like we
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: were in a golden age 10 years ago to give
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you everything you needed on a story like this. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like we're equipped to do that anymore,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: especially not on television.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, when we can get the television, but
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: just think about how much sports media has been hollowed
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: out just in the last few years from like the
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: regional sports networks to ESPN has cut back a lot.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: They really don't have it. I mean, how much do
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: you think they've reduced their workforce in the last five
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: to six years? I mean, that's a lot less programming
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: and people over there. Deadspin is not what it was.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Sports Illustrated, not what it was. ESPN the magazine don't
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: exist no more. So when you're looking for all this stuff,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: the kind of deeply reported, well thought out work, that
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: we were enjoying 10, 12 years ago, I mean, either
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: people didn't support it or it just went bankrupt and
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: went away, didn't develop enough of an audience. So here
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: we are. Because where are you getting your news from now?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I just feel like I get it. I couldn't give
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: you a great answer, but the thing is, this is
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: a story where people need it, man. First of all,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: it is interesting to think that this would have been
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a much bigger scandal as recently as 10 years ago,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: certainly 30 years ago.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, Chauncey Billups, man, he's an NBA Hall of Famer.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: He's an NBA Hall of Famer and current head coach.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Possibly, allegedly, to have maybe tipped off people about, hey, man,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I'm going to send some people for this guy. I mean,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: that is crazy. Isn't that more outrageous than what Pete
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Rose did, was accused of doing?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Well, no, Pete Rose was, okay, so here's the difference.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Pete Rose was making similar calls to receive information.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And then rather than give it to other people, was
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: using it on his own, which I think is fair
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to say was actually more outrageous than, you know, like
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: he was actually placing the bets as opposed to like
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: perhaps looking out for somebody.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: But it was like he was betting on himself. I mean,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: the thing about Pete Rose never bet against himself.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: There was that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: He was betting other things too. The key was that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: he never bet against himself.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Never bet against himself. That's right.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: So that's kind of, maybe that's what the way I
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: come from it. Um, as opposed to being like, well,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: we might, I might be the reason that we lose tonight. Right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Here's how you can make some money on it. Allegedly.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Um, but yeah, I mean, that is a huge, I mean,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Pete Rose held down sports media for so long. Like
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: we've pretended to really care about gambling and its implications
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: and what it could do for people's reputations and everything
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: else for 30 years of my life.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think people cared. then.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think that that was phony. Oh, I think
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: people cared then, too. I think they cared. And I'll
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: tell you this. I took a job in 2009.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: This is when I took the job with the score,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: doing the Morning Jones. And my boss at the time,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Mike Gentile, he'd been a radio producer, and he was like, look,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you have a slow day to this day. And he says,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: to this day, you have a slow day? Ask if
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: And hold on. Keep in mind that he was in Canada.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, man.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even the United States.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Like it was still a go. But I think that
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of depth to this that I don't.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: It's wild to think that we're not even necessarily that
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: qualified to get into it, even though we got all
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: these people who engage in gambling. But the problem is, like,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw where Charles Barkley was
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: talking about it, where he was like, these guys are
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: just stupid. And what Charles sounded like was a drunk
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: who has disdain for alcoholics because they bad for the brand.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Right. So I think that's the thing is that I
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: can't relate to. And I assume you can't. I don't
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: have that kind of advice. Right. So I don't it
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: doesn't hit me. And we're talking about this a little earlier.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: So I got a call from a sports book the
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: other day, a sports book that I use for work
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: sometimes just to give some just like an informational thing,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: not to gamble or whatever, put money on stuff. And
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: they called me and I'm thinking, oh, this is about
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: something related to my work. And they're like, we noticed
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: that you had opened your account and you haven't used
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: it yet. You haven't fully set it up yet. Do
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: you need any help with that? Or is there any
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: reason you hadn't done that? And I'm like, you all
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: are checking on me like that for real? Like, I mean,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: that was crazy. They wanted, they were so insistent on
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: the idea that I should be gambling. I opened this account.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: I should be putting some money on something. I should
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: be doing some games. I'm like, man, if they'll chase
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: you down and you're weak like that, if you have the,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: not weak, I shouldn't say that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: But if you have- No, hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: It's okay. I think, to say weak. Like, and I'm saying,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: if you're weak, I'm saying, I.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Know, but I'm saying, but I mean, strong has to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: have an opposite, right? And in this particular way, people
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: have weaknesses, right? Like, I don't think, maybe it's impossible
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to separate weak from a larger connotation. But if this is,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: calling it a vice and calling it a weakness are
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: not different things.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: So if you're shaky in this regard... then you're going
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to shake.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: You're going to shake.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Okay. Well, I guess I, the way I'm trying to
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: think of it is that like, you know, everybody has their,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: you know, that's me and sugar, you know what I mean?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Um, yeah. So, um, but yeah, so, but yeah, okay.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: We can, we can say that it's a weakness then, but,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, just imagine that you're trying to stay away
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: from that stuff. You can't get away. They are so
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: pressed to find more customers and to expand it that
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: they will call you.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So what I thought was wild about that when you
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: said it was, I'm thinking strategically on their front, them
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: calling to get you to set it up, that feel
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: like a set up.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying?
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Like, this sounds like something I don't need to be doing.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: If you'd have pressed about getting me into this. This
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: sounds like something I don't need to be doing. It
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: seems like them phone, like, do you need any help
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: setting up the account? Like, I can read.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Like, I know how to fill out a form. I
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: feel like you trying to get me. Like, this is
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: how I know. They tell me, hey, why don't you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: just come down the alley in Goodfellas?
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Just go down there.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Just go down there and they'll take care of you.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Just go down there. I'm like, no, no, no.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: You're a little too pressed about getting me to go
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: down that alley.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I ain't going to do that.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: But if I had already started now is the time
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: for you to call me. Now that I done hit
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: this rock, now there's a chance that you might be
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: able to get me going on something.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's right.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know what they thought was going to happen here,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean, because clearly I wasn't inclined to
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: get involved in this, but maybe they thought that I
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: was involved with another sports book or had another. Maybe
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: they were concerned that I was giving my money away
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: to somebody else. But this is kind of my theory
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: about life, and gambling is very different. Man, if you
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: got to tell me how good it is and you
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: got to pitch it to me like that, I'm just
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: going to be a little bit concerned about why doesn't
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: this sell itself?
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, they just need you to give
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: it a try because of everything that you got to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: get past. You know what I mean? It's, they like,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: should I make this comparison? All I'm saying is sometimes
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the approach is to try to get people to understand
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that societal norms.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: are not necessarily the be-all, end-all. You know what I'm saying?
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And sometimes you got to do what you.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Want to do.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Like, you know?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Like, come on.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Ain't nobody going to look at you no different tomorrow.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Like, come on. No, no, no, no.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: And ain't nobody even paying attention to you like that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I ain't going to say nothing to my friends.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Like....
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: We don't yeah i mean that is very true they're
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: like hey man and i ain't nobody gonna say that
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: nobody paying attention to you right now the thought that
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: like you just you're sort of anonymous to the world
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: right yes yeah yeah yeah no that's right that's right
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: i mean but i just i don't know man i
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: mean i i have real empathy for people that are
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: and it worries me i have a son man and
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: i guess i have a you know i have a
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: daughter too but i mean of the two that's more
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: likely to develop an addiction to gambling obviously it's the
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: boy and i'm like how do you avoid that when
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: you hear so many stories about kids having sports books
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: open on their phone at school or they're just hanging out.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, the idea of casually gambling in college,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: like that just seemed like.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: A grown man thing to do.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yo, or at the very least a white man thing
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to do. I was amazed to find out how many
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: people gambled on sports. Like, I don't feel like that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: was a thing. When I got my college, I didn't
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: feel like cocaine was really a thing. And I didn't
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: feel like sports. I didn't know these two things was
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: out here. Then I started kicking.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: It with white boys. And it was a whole nother world.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I definitely thought gambling was a white boy thing.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: But that's not the case anymore. And you notice, man,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: they pushing hard on black people platforms. Like Joe Button
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: doing prize picks commercials, for example.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I know, man.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they did with me, too. I mean,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I guess this counts in the same way.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're getting this, man. I mean, it reminds me.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: It was funny.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know why I looked up Joe Cool or
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Joe Camel the other day.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I got it by Joe Camel.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I was thinking about, I was like, what made people
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: come up with Joe Camel? And Joe Camel was an
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: invention of 1988.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Like, I thought it was.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm thinking this was, it went back to the
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: 50s and 60s or whatever. And, you know, for people
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: that don't know Joe Camel, I mean, it was like
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: just a very cartoon Camel.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: For Camel Cigarettes.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: For Camel Cigarettes. And they would dress him up. He
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: had a whole bunch of different outfits. Sometimes he'd be
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: looking like Billy Dee Williams at a piano. Sometimes he
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: looked like James Dean or a motorcycle. It was stuff
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: like that. And so they were trying to sell the
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: image of it as cool to a younger generation and
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: a more urban clientele. And I'm just like, oh, is
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: this what gambling is now? Has it just kind of
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: become a thing where it's like, all right, well, you
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: see Jamie Foxx and all these other people talking, Joe
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Budden talking about, I'm putting some money on jalen brunson
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: or whatever and it's like i guess like the stigma
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: of that or the idea that this is a world
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: that will welcome you in and you can get in
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: and gamble like the.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: White boys you know and also let me tell you
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: this about camel cigarettes there's a good chance if you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: meet a woman and she got a box of camel
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: cigarettes on the bar that's also a jack and coke
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: in that glass.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Have you you've known a woman that smoked camel.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Cigarettes yes i have.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: She was a Jack and Coke drinker, too. I'm just
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: telling you. There's certain things that go together.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: No, but that is.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: The gambling people.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I had lost track of how many of these places
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: they give you free money to start playing. Because they
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: know that once you get you in, you'll do a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: little bit more.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Have you tried? Have you done any of this at all?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I don't... I think it is.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: There's something about, to me, that doing this job makes
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: me feel like that's something I should not do.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: On top of that, I understand the type of ego
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that I have, and this feels like something I should
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: be able to outsmart, which is what everybody thinks about this.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And then, by the way, once you start winning, they
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: stop letting you play.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: But wait, so, I mean, you know, Nick is, I mean,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: like you said, is well-versed in this, and he does
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: high-stakes poker games, all that good stuff. So that didn't
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: influence you at all, thinking like, you know, because there's
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: a part of me that thinks.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, please understand this.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Those gamblers know a lot about the game, too. And
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, I wonder if it would help me
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: to know a lot about the game.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Now, that is a fair point.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I talk to guys who play in the business and
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that is their rationale for doing this. But please understand,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: hanging out with Nick on a Sunday afternoon watching football
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: is not a commercial for gambling.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: It is much more a commercial for the 800 number.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Then it is something that makes you think that this
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: is something that you should engage in. No, no, no, no, no.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Nothing about watching Nick on Sunday makes gambling look attractive.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Fair point. It's very similar to the example I make.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: It feels a lot like watching Uncut Gems.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, Van gives the example. I'm sure he
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: told it on here, too, about, like, he asked one
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: of his uncles or somebody, why you do crack?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: And he's like, I'm looking at y'all, like, why y'all didn't?
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: You know, why y'all ain't do it? Yeah.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: So my thing is about gambling and sport. I don't
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: need to care about sports like that. I feel like
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: competition is, I don't need fantasy football. The competition alone,
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: the pageantry, the opportunity to sit down and enjoy. I
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: don't need that. And I don't want to be emotionally
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: invested in a game like that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Well, what it makes you, what it helps with is
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: caring about the games that you don't care about.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Right. And like, to me, I feel like if I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: need to make myself care about this, therefore I put
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: some money on it. Have you thought about curling up
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: with a good book? Or perhaps some other activity. Just
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: throwing it out there.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, what was it the other week I told
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: you I was watching Sam Houston State versus Utah?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you definitely had money on the guy.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: You thought you can think there was any possible way.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: I said, no, man, I just want to watch football.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: And I don't need no money to put put, you know,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: do a prop bit to make myself enjoy it. And
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, again, I, I'm grateful for that. I understand
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: if you don't feel that way, then, you know, Hey man,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: go with God. But I, I mean, they are praying
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: upon our week on, on people's vices and introducing them
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: to things and making them think that they could be
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: smarter than they are. And I also kind of think
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: that just because of like the way the economy is
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: and the job market, I wonder how many people, and
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not, I wonder how many people think that they
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: can make money actually.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yo, that's the thing about it is that if you're
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: doing it for fun, that's one thing. But if your
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: plan is I'm about to hit for this lick, that's not.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Really how this works, brother.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason they're sponsoring everything now. You
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like all them people.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, they just like, look, it really is like rock.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: They just like, look, man, we can get you to
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: hit that rock one time, baby. All we need you
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: to do is hit that rock one time, right? And
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: then after that, the rock going to take care of it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying? After you hit that rock
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: one time, the rock sell itself. I think I told
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you once, one of my guys told me he took
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: jazz piano lessons and he said that he took piano
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: lessons from a jazz piano player. He said that he
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: told the story of that day where all the jazz
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: men did heroin. He's like, I'm a jazz man now.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do heroin. He said he shot that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: heroin up one time and he said that As it
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: was going, he looked at whoever it was and was like, hey, man,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: don't you ever let me do this ever again. He
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: was like, I will be strung out on this shit
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: so fast. He said he could not imagine feeling better
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: than he did off that. I mean, it got to
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: be right. How good something got to feel for you
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: to shoot it?
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: I would be very afraid. I mean, I don't think
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think I could. It could get me like that,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean, it is kind of scary how
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: bad people want it, man.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, clearly it could get you. Like, everybody else is
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: telling you that very, very, very clearly it could get you.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, how much better do you need your high
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: to be, man? I.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I just... See, that's the thing. It's not about need.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: That's the mistake everybody makes is thinking it's about need.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: It's not about need. It's just about want, right? Like, that's...
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: It's just about want. And yeah, it couldn't be me.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I guess so.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, and when I say it couldn't be me,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: not couldn't be me to get strung out. I just
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: got to keep myself out of that discussion. Right. And
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of it with the gambling, man.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Got to keep it. I think this is the biggest thing.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: And I think I've talked about this before, but the
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: point that was made that the smartphone stopped online from
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: being a place you went to being a place that
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: goes with you everywhere.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: When I go to Vegas, I play blackjack and I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: might lose a couple thousand dollars in the course of
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the weekend because I made that decision before I show
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: up that I'm going to play X amount of dollars
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: in blackjack. Maybe it'll go up a little more, but
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm going to have a good time.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I am going to play it. And then when I.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Leave the casino, I have left. With these sports books,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: you never leave.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: It's always there with you.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: It's always wherever it is that you go. And that
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to me, I think, is where this is different than
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: it had ever been before.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: And you can check, I mean, it's actually, I mean,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: if you just kind of back up for a little bit, Beau,
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, in addition to the proliferation of, you know, smartphones, just,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, we really just got acclimated all of a
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: sudden to them holding major sporting events in Vegas. Yes.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: You know, just like everything, like I just, it kind
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: of has been a remarkable shift over the course of
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: our lifetime because they were so deathly scared, so deathly
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: afraid of like, you know, the black socks or the
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: old NYU scandals. Like those things were actually, if you
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: were a sports fan and you kind of, those stories
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: were real, they were scary stories, man, about like how
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: they could totally destroy your reputation. And I just kind
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: of felt like, you know, I mean, I don't, I
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: don't know what's responsible for our changing wars around that stuff, but,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: but I guess we, we just need a ways to sell,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: to sell things to more people.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's just what it is. And we're running out
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: of things to sell.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: That's the issue is we're running out of new ways
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: to get this money. Last thing before we get out
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: of here. Deion Sanders is going to be the coach
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: of Colorado in 2026. Why?
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Why would he be? I mean, what is he?
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Look, man. So the one thing we know about Deion
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: is that he coached his sons basically every step of
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: the way. Youth ball, high school ball, college at two
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: different schools.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: So that is.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, that is an accomplishment. That's great. I would
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: love if I had that as part of my story, right?
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: That I got to coach my kids all the way
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: through and enjoy a lot of success and a lot
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: of attention. They're gone now. He's not doing well, like health-wise.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: He already told you he don't want to recruit. He
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: didn't want to recruit. He told, I don't need to
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: leave Colorado to do this. So that to me, that
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: shows that like you actually don't kind of enjoy it.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of parts of this thing. So what, what
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: are they building towards? Like, what are you, what are
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: you like, what is he coming back to next year?
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: What are these other kids coming back to next year?
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: And by the way, on the, um, short list of
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: C ain't no racism.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Brian Kelly out here getting killed for not being out
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: here doing the recruiting.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: And Deion Sanders is like, for who?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: For what? Brian Kelly, I guarantee you, Brian Kelly highlighting
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: that article and sending it to everybody.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: Like, what about Deion, huh?
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: What about him?
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Brian, people like Deion.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Bro, and that has to drive him even crazier.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: I know, right.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Because Brian Kelly's thing is he doesn't understand what the
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: problem is. And look, I don't know the man. I
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: don't know what the problem is either. But he doesn't
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: understand what the problem is.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, do you think, I mean, he got to
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: know by now, right?
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Clearly he does not.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Because the way, I mean, people just, I mean, celebrating,
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: you know? Like, I mean, it just, he wasn't a
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: bad coach. It didn't go five and seven. Like, the
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: program did not, like, hemorrhage or anything.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: It just.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: I'm just shocked that people hate him in that way.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, again, so if you– I mean, I take
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: seriously the idea that a kid that worked on his
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: football staff died under his leadership, right? Like when he
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: was at Notre Dame, a kid– they had practice on
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: a very windy day, and the kid, I think his
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: name was Declan Sullivan, fell off the riser.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Declan, yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: That's right, Declan, right, yeah.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: So anyway, so yeah, so I get that, but I just–
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: I don't think that would stop a lot of other
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: people from hating other coaches.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't think a lot of other coaches would
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: get this, would be branded like this if they had
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: that in their background, sadly enough.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: But for Deion, man.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Like, also, bro, man, Carucci don't want to, I mean,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: you know, she probably, I probably want to come back
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: to Dallas. So this is what I, so I want
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: to give some clarity on this because I talked about
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Deion coaching at TCU.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I wanted him there before they hired Sonny. Sonny Dykes.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Who got you to a national championship game and you
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: gave him no credit for it.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, was I wrong? I mean, was I wrong?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Who got you to a national championship game and you
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: gave him no credit for it.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Again, I think he's a nice guy, whatever, but it
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: is what it is.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: All he did was get you to a national championship game.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Why are you telling everybody else that they should be
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: satisfied with what their situations are?
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: I didn't say, you know, at this point, certainly this year,
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: I think we should just keep it. Let's ride it
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: out and see what happens. But, I mean, the thing
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: about Dion, I think if Dion had gotten a TCU job,
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: I feel like this would all look a lot different.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have no connections to Colorado. It's hard to
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: get people to go over there. Like, they don't have
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: no home. TCU, man, he lives in an area... maybe
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: one of the best recruiting areas. He'd be close to home.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: I think he would be energized by being there. Like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: you know, if he'd been hired those many years ago
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: and he was going through these health issues, I don't
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: think people would be like, oh, man, this is his
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: But because we.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: All know that he ain't got no connection to Colorado,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: there's no reason for him to be there anymore.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: That's why I think people say him.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Does TCU have enough money to be competitive in the
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: way that you're talking about, though?
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Because that seems to be the biggest problem.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: No, but I say the biggest problem at Colorado seems
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: to be that they don't have the money. And so
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: the idea that it would be much different at TCU,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I think, entirely depends on whether they have the money.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: I think they've got decent money. I don't know if
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: they've got, you know, Indiana, LSU money. But I don't
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: think he needs that. And I definitely don't think.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: He needs that at DW.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I think the money has also diminished the comparative advantage
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: of having Deion Sanders.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, you got to pay him.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Like, it was one thing. He would never have gotten
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter to go to Jackson State if the money
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: was what it is now.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: And look, that's only four years ago or three. Like,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: it's changed that fast.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: So that's where I'm wondering where, like I say, having
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the facilities don't matter as much as it used to.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: What about the charming assistant or charming recruiter?
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: How much does that matter? Especially since you don't want
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: to do the recruiting.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: But see, I don't think the thing is, if you're
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: a DFW, you ain't got to do that much.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: You don't have to do that, but you don't have
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: to go this far. I think he don't want to
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: get on planes.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: I bet he don't want to go.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: But he was already saying he can't go to no
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: high school, which I thought was a preposterous thing for
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: him to say.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, man. Yeah.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: He's the one guy I think that could overcome a
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: lot of that in Texas. Because you also know in Texas,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: for people who don't, the Texas high school coaches association
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: is a big fucking deal. You got to lay prostrate,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: lay prostrate in front of them people. So they will,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: you know, they can do whatever they want. You know
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: what I mean? They, they, they control a lot of
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: people there. They have a lot of influence in that state.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: And Dion is like, I think he's the one guy
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: that wouldn't need them.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Cause he's like, man, there's a lot of brothers, man.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: He could get, you know, old coach samples at Duncanville.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: He's got a line on a lot of other guys
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: that I don't think, I think, because Deion is the
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: way he is, that he doesn't need all the same
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: stuff that other coaches need, right? I don't think it
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: would mean that TCU would be a national championship contender,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: but I think it means that it would be 9-3
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: every now and again, and people would be happy with
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: the program under him.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: See, 9-3 at TCU requires you to be a better
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: coach than I think that he has demonstrated himself to be.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, has he done anything to make you think
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: he can coach?
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, they got.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Better last year, right? Like, that defense got better.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, but they got better.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Shador's not a great, I mean, as we see, he's
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: not a great talent.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I hear you, but, like, I mean, they just got
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: their doors blown off by Utah. Like, managing clock stuff
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: like that, Deion has not demonstrated himself to be great at.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think that his teams have a clear personality
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: or a clear identity that speaks to a head coach.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: That's right. I mean, I'd be willing to take the change.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: If TCU, so if anybody at TCU is listening to me,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: if you want to try to go higher.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, I get it on the chance. I'm just not
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: sure that it would go any different than it did.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Man, yeah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think right now it's going okay, and
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: he's rebuilding after he lost a quarterback that a lot
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: of people thought should have been an early round draft
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: pick and a Heisman Trophy winner and some other guys,
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: and he's having to replace them, and that's what's going
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: to happen to Colorado. And Colorado's just a difficult job.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a five-star quarterback, right?
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got a five-star quarterback.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: He got a five-star left tackle not so long ago.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: So he's still able to get kids every now and again,
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: but it's just a tougher sell at Colorado, even as
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: beautiful as Colorado is, the tradition it has. I think
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: more for Deion, I'm like, why do you want to
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: do this more than Colorado?
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Colorado will keep him as long as he is willing
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: to stay. I, like you, I think the health stuff.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: But I'm not in his body, so I want to
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: be careful, you know, making too many assumptions about what
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: he'll do because of his health. But I don't think
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I would continue to do that job.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: It seems really difficult.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, maybe he could do a thing
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: where he takes some time off and gets healthy or
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: whatever and he'll feel differently. I think college football is
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: better with Deion.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: But it's only better with Deion if he'd do anything
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to make us pay attention. They have been a wholly
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: irrelevant factor.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: But I would still watch them when they're not good sometimes.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I still think that Colorado Georgia
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: Tech season opener did pretty decent, even though nobody was like.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have no idea what the numbers are now. Like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are still paying attention.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: It clearly ain't what it is.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: I know one thing.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Raekwon... And whoever else, they ain't showing up on the sidelines.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: That's a great question.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: That was actually what I was curious about.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, now that kind of stuff is over. But, you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: they still have a little bit of cash in. There's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: still some people rooting for them. So, you know, I mean, yeah, Colorado, man,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they will hold on to them forever because
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: that ain't no easy job no more neither.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, Bill McCartney, underrated, great all-time coach.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, Gary Barnett.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, also, Big 8 recruiting standards.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: That's a very– I mean, also, I mean, it's a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: lot easier when you have to play against Oklahoma State.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Those Kansas State's Kansas.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: And Big A, man, you had two games.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: To play every year.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Nebraska and Oklahoma.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Nebraska and Oklahoma. That's all you had to do. But
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: that is Joel Anderson.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Check him out on the Ranger Tailgate, also on the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Press Box, and wherever you are, if you listen very carefully,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: you can hear Joel hating on me somehow, some way.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: He's doing it.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: I just want people to really take note of how
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: this conversation has evolved from where it started to where
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: it ended and who was doing the hating, you know,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: that's what, that's what I would think about.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: I was going to say something. You know what?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: I actually, I was going to clown you for a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: second because I thought you had like some mutton chops
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: on the side of your face. And for a second,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: I thought I was like, that kind of looked like
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: a Benny the butcher type look you had going on.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: But I, but then I was like, okay, you're.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I wanted to hate so bad that I thought I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: saw something that wasn't even there.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: That's what I just heard you say.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, I just, I was like, oh, that
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: kind of, anyway. It's just for a second. You don't
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: look like Benny the Butcher.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: You don't let me go, or.
• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:34
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• 1:01:36
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• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:43
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• 1:01:44
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• 1:02:02
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