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Led Zeppelin's Impact: Shaping Classic Rock and Inspiring Imitators [Episode 239] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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Speaker 1: dot com. Returning to the podcast is Greg Prado. He's
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Speaker 1: just released his latest book titled Lead Clones, The Led
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Speaker 1: Zeppelin Imitator craze of the eighties and beyond. Few bands
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Speaker 1: in rock history have proven to be as enduring and
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Speaker 1: influential as led Zeppelin. During the eighties, there was an
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Speaker 1: over abundance of Zeppelin disciples, or, as guitar great Gary
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Speaker 1: Moore once put it, clones. This is the first ever
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Speaker 1: book to tell the story about Zeppelin's immense influence on
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Speaker 1: the bands and artists who came after them. I asked
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Speaker 1: Greg about many of the bands and the artists in
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Speaker 1: the book, The ones who do Zep Justice, the ones
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Speaker 1: who didn't. There are obvious ones like Kingdom Come White Snake,
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Speaker 1: and Greta van Fleet, while there are others you may
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Speaker 1: be surprised. Make the book. Let's find out right now.
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Speaker 1: A Lead Clones playlist can be found in this episode
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Speaker 1: show notes.
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Speaker 2: Greg, welcome back, Hello, Eric, good to see you again.
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Speaker 1: All right, so let's get this out of the way.
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about your new book, Lead Clones,
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Speaker 1: but let's talk about your jets. What the hell is
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Speaker 1: going on with your jets?
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Speaker 2: Jesus Well, thankfully the Mets provided a little bit of
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Speaker 2: pleasure for me.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, it's a dumpster fire, as they call it.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, you know, I hate to be a complete pessimist,
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Speaker 2: but you can kind of see it coming a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Just you know, I hate to kick people on there down.
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Speaker 2: But the general manager was clueless, the head coach was clueless,
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Speaker 2: just you know, things that were very obvious, like, for instance,
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Speaker 2: last year, do they have any kind of backup quarterback
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Speaker 2: and plan and in case anything happened to Rogers? Of
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Speaker 2: course they didn't. This year, their kicker is struggling. Do
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Speaker 2: you try a new kicker? No, you just keep bringing
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Speaker 2: him out there. So he blows three game, he's it's
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Speaker 2: pretty much done. So yeah, that's a microcosm of the Jets.
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Speaker 2: And I'm upset that I I should have put this
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Speaker 2: book out this year. I would have had so many
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Speaker 2: more things to add to this.
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Speaker 1: So for those who are just listening to the audio episode,
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Speaker 1: Greg has two New York Jets books, Yes, you can
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Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoy. What are the titles?
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Speaker 2: Okay, The first one I put out a few years
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Speaker 2: back called Sack Exchange, The Definitive Oral History of the
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighties New York Jets. Now, that book I highly
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Speaker 2: recommend any Jets fan now because that actually focuses on
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Speaker 2: an era where the Jets were surprisingly very good, exactly
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Speaker 2: Cleco Gastono, Freeman, McNeil, Wesley Walker, all those great players.
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Speaker 2: So that book is the perfect antidote to what's going
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Speaker 2: on right now with the Jets.
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Speaker 1: And then you could add to this other book you're
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Speaker 1: about to mention.
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Speaker 2: You're a yes, and if you're a complete masochist, you
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Speaker 2: would want to follow it up with this book which
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Speaker 2: is called butt Fumbles, Fake Spikes, mud Balls, and Heidie Games,
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Speaker 2: The Top one hundred debacles of the New York Jets
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Speaker 2: and this is the you're gonna like this. This is
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Speaker 2: the updated, expanded torn Achilles Edition.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, because that was when last year. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.
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Speaker 2: I put this book out before last year, and I
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Speaker 2: was watching the first game with my friends and I
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Speaker 2: and we saw Rogers get injured and we're all speechless
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Speaker 2: looking at each other. And then I immediately said, you
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Speaker 2: know what, this book has to be expanded.
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Speaker 1: You can add another chapter in this season. All right,
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Speaker 1: on much better news, your brain new But let's.
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Speaker 2: That's a very, very depressing beginning.
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Speaker 1: I got to tell you my apologies. Yeah, let's get
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Speaker 1: to Lead Clones, the led Zeppelin imitator craze of the
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Speaker 1: eighties and beyond. We'll start start off by getting into
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Speaker 1: where the title comes from. Let's talk about that. Where
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Speaker 1: does that come from? Lead Clones?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Gary Moore had a song from the late eighties
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Speaker 2: called lead Clones with Ozzy Osbourne singing on it, and
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Speaker 2: that was from his After the War album And I
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Speaker 2: remember getting it when I was younger, and I kind
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Speaker 2: of knew what he was talking about. He was poking
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Speaker 2: fun at some because you know, it's funny when we
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Speaker 2: think of the eighties. Now we think primarily of hair
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Speaker 2: metal or blam metal, and also I would say thrash metal.
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Speaker 2: Those are the main metal styles. But one genre that
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Speaker 2: has been totally forgotten almost was the whole entire lead clones,
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Speaker 2: a movement which was bands like White Sneak Kingdom Come
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Speaker 2: that pretty much were just shameless ripoffs of seventies hour
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Speaker 2: led Zeppelin. So what Gary Moore was doing was he
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Speaker 2: was poking fun of them at the time, which was
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Speaker 2: a pretty balls he move on his part because that
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Speaker 2: was when those bands were still around, so you know,
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Speaker 2: he could have just not said anything about it, but
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Speaker 2: he opted to say something about it while it was
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Speaker 2: going on. So I remember it was a few months back.
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Speaker 2: It's funny these ideas for these books just come to me.
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Speaker 2: I was driving in my car and I don't know
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Speaker 2: what happened, or something just set off in my mind.
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Speaker 2: I was like, wait a second, I di thn'k there's
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Speaker 2: ever been a book about all the eighties led Zeppelin
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Speaker 2: clone bands. So I decided I should probably do it,
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Speaker 2: and what better title than Lead Clones. I like to
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Speaker 2: give a tip of the cap to the late great
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Speaker 2: Gary Moore for coming up with that book title.
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Speaker 1: An interesting thought across my mind while I'm reading this book.
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Speaker 1: Some of these bands that make the book I feel
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Speaker 1: like got it right. I'm a fan of. I don't
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Speaker 1: see it as a negative. It's like, Okay, this is
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Speaker 1: a genuine thing inspired by zeppam while there are other bands,
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Speaker 1: it's more like it's planned out, like let's sound like
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Speaker 1: Zeppelin so we can be famous. Happened more or so
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Speaker 1: in the eighties because Zeppelin was really huge. FM radio
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Speaker 1: was playing Zeppelin so much during that period, so I
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Speaker 1: think it was an intentional thing. But a band like
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Speaker 1: Great White, to me, they did it right, while Kingdom
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Speaker 1: Come didn't sound genuine to me. Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1: Do you feel that way? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I was never a big Great White fan,
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Speaker 2: but I can see what you see what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: I mean personally, what what I would say is, I
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Speaker 2: think the band bad Lands was really good. That's a
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Speaker 2: band that a lot of people forget about. That was
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Speaker 2: Jakie Lee's first band after Lee. Yeah, and that had
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Speaker 2: a singer named Ray Gillen who passed away in the nineties,
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Speaker 2: who was a very underrated singer, fantastic singer and also
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Speaker 2: Eric Singer was in that band before he joined Kiss.
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Speaker 2: From that band he left to I think he left
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Speaker 2: to join Kiss. I could be wrong, though, maybe off
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Speaker 2: by a year.
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Speaker 1: But Alex Cuper right, wasn't he with Alice Cooper too?
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Speaker 2: May he may have gone from a bad Lance to
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Speaker 2: Alice Cooper to Kiss. Maybe maybe that's the chain of events.
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Speaker 2: I forget exactly, but their first album, to Me is
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Speaker 2: one of the eighties most underrated rock albums. That's an
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Speaker 2: album that not too many people know about. But it's
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Speaker 2: great and they weren't. They have some songs that sound
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Speaker 2: like Zeppelin, but they're not a shameless Zeppelin ripoff. I
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Speaker 2: highly recommend people check out that album. And then, of
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Speaker 2: course Billy Squire don't say, you know, I thought it
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Speaker 2: was a fantastic album. I mean, there are definitely some
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Speaker 2: Zeppelin type sounds, but it's not like that Billy Squire
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Speaker 2: was trying to replicate Robert Plant vocally each song, you know.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he maybe had a little bit of Robert
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Speaker 2: Plant in his vocals, but wasn't shameless like what David
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Speaker 2: Coverdale is doing in the breakdown middle breakdown of the
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Speaker 2: song still the Night or what the Kingdom come guys
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Speaker 2: were doing on the song get It On. So there
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Speaker 2: were definitely bands in the eighties. And I also point
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Speaker 2: out in the book one album that people tend to
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Speaker 2: overlook also is the Kiss Creatures of the Night album
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Speaker 2: because while Kiss never really sounded too much like led Zeppelin,
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Speaker 2: Eric Carr's drum sound on that album is very John
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Speaker 2: Bonham esque. I always loved his whole entire drum sound
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Speaker 2: on that. In fact, probably the two best drum sounds
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Speaker 2: in the early eighties, I would say, is Eric Carr
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Speaker 2: on Kiss Creatures of the Night and the late Bobby
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Speaker 2: Schoin'ard on Billy Squire's Don't Say No. Both of them
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Speaker 2: got great, huge bonhom drum sounds on those two albums.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't get mentioned a lot for that.
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Speaker 2: Definitely should because he was an underrated great drummer. Well.
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Speaker 1: Led Zeppelin disbanded in nineteen eighty, as most no after
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Speaker 1: John Bonham died, but there were already bands influenced by
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Speaker 1: Zeppelin before then before we get to the eighties. Talk
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Speaker 1: about some of the bands from the seventies that were
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Speaker 1: influenced by Zeppelin or were they? And I mentioned that
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Speaker 1: because there's a part about Rush in the book where
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Speaker 1: that debut single working Man was mistaken for Zeppelin when
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Speaker 1: it first got played on WMMS in Cleveland, but guitarist
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Speaker 1: Alex Leifson told you that the song was definitely not
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Speaker 1: as spired by Zeppelin.
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Speaker 2: Yes, true, yet he said it was surprisingly inspired by
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Speaker 2: Cream if you could believe that. But I personally think
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Speaker 2: that it's definitely much more Zeppelin sounding. Yeah, Rush is
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Speaker 2: one of my all time favorite bands. I have to
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Speaker 2: say Russian Van Halen kind of go neck and neck
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Speaker 2: for me.
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Speaker 1: How about you, Eric, I've heard of Van Halen, I
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Speaker 1: have heard of them. We're going to talk about them
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Speaker 1: because they do make the book.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes they do, but we ll have but to
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Speaker 2: answer your question, yeah, I mean Rush has to be included.
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Speaker 2: They even admit that they start off very zeppelin Esque,
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Speaker 2: especially on that first album, the nineteen seventy four self
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Speaker 2: titled album, had a lot of led Zeppelin moments such
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Speaker 2: as Finding My Way and the riffing and the song
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Speaker 2: working Man. So yeah, but to Russia's credit, they then
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Speaker 2: with each album moved further and further away until they
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Speaker 2: found their own very unique style and also approach. They
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Speaker 2: got to give them credit. Other bands. Triumph is kind
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Speaker 2: of early on had some Zeppelin sounding moments. One thing,
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Speaker 2: you know, Heart people say some people consider them a
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Speaker 2: Canadian bang is they some of their members were based
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Speaker 2: in British Columbia, whereas some of them were also based
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Speaker 2: in Seattle, Washington, So I kind of consider them a
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Speaker 2: Canadian band, but I see how some people wouldn't. But
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Speaker 2: definitely there are some parts of Heart that sound like Zeppelin,
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Speaker 2: such as a song Parracoota that's a very obvious example.
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Speaker 2: But then there's one totally forgotten band Canadian Bank called
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Speaker 2: Moxie that no one really seems to remember Moxie yet.
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Speaker 2: I discovered them because in the early nineties I bought
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Speaker 2: the Tommy Bolan box that called The Ultimate, and I
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Speaker 2: became a really big fan of Tommy Bolan, and he
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Speaker 2: did some session work for them on their first album.
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Speaker 2: I believe it's a self titled album from nineteen seventy
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Speaker 2: five or seventy six. I'm pretty sure it's seventy five,
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Speaker 2: and they have one or two songs that sound identical
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Speaker 2: to Led Zeppelin. I would highly recommend if anyone wants
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Speaker 2: to be blown away by a band sounding almost identical
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Speaker 2: identical to led Zeppelin. Check out that first Moxie album.
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Speaker 2: It's a black cover and it just says Moxie on
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Speaker 2: the cover.
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Speaker 1: If they're on Spotify, I can put it on the
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Speaker 1: playlist for this episode.
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Speaker 2: Go for it. M o x Y m ox Y correctx.
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Speaker 1: Why Yeah, you mentioned Heart Vancouver. I think some of
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Speaker 1: the members were some.
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Speaker 2: Of the members, yeah, and then Ann and Nancy Wilson
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Speaker 2: I believe are from Seattle.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, because I think Anne didn't she she went
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Speaker 1: to Canada because her boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it was then. I believe Heart's manager at the time.
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Speaker 2: I believe it could be wrong.
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Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, Nancy Wilson told you Zeppelin was a
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Speaker 1: huge influence, but you can hear other influences, which makes
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Speaker 1: sense why she told you that there are other artists
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Speaker 1: and bands they were trying to emulate. She said, quote,
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Speaker 1: when we first saw the Beatles, we wanted to be
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Speaker 1: in the band. Then we saw Zeppelin, we wanted to
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Speaker 1: be Zeppelin. I was channeling Jimmy Page and Elton John's
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Speaker 1: piano playing on acoustic guitar, and was channeling Robert Plant
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Speaker 1: and Paul Rodgers. That's what she told you.
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Speaker 2: Ye.
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Speaker 1: Barracouta you mentioned you say, a passing resemblance to Achilles
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Speaker 1: Last Stand, which is an interesting observation. But Nancy told
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Speaker 1: you there was another band who influenced this riff. Yes,
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Speaker 1: remember what she told you about this.
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Speaker 2: I believe it was the band called a Nazareth, right,
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Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. They have a obscure song. I
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Speaker 2: can't remember the name of it. You may have this
12:25
Speaker 2: song title right there in front of you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this flight Tonight. Yeah, and it's actually a cover
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Speaker 1: of a Joni Mitchell song exactly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I actually went on Spotify after I read
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Speaker 2: that and listened to it and you can hear a
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Speaker 2: little bit of a similarity. So yeah, if you want
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Speaker 2: to add that to the playlist, that would be good
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Speaker 2: for some of the listeners to check that out as well.
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Speaker 1: And she pissed the guys in Nazareth off right.
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Speaker 2: She actually says, I believe that they tore it. It
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Speaker 2: was Queen Heart Nazareth. I can't think of. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's a very strong bill right there.
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Speaker 1: BO podcast will be back after this, I would let down.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of RUSSI, a band who formed in the seventies
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Speaker 1: similar to Rush is Triumph. Like you mentioned, there is
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Speaker 1: that Zeppelin influence, but I always compared them to Rush
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Speaker 1: because it's a tree.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, I do agree one thing that yeah,
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Speaker 2: because yeah, I was gonna mention too. For this book.
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Speaker 2: I did several exclusive interviews for this book, as well
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Speaker 2: as going back and pulling some quotes from interviews that
13:28
Speaker 2: I conducted with a lot of people over the years,
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Speaker 2: and also some other magazines and also sites and things
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Speaker 2: like that. But you get the trademark Greg Preto analyzation,
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Speaker 2: They're the whole bloody thing.
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Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, but yeah.
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Speaker 2: But one thing that when I interviewed Rick Emmett for
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Speaker 2: this book, he said, which I didn't know this at all,
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Speaker 2: that Triumph early on, before they had an album out,
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Speaker 2: they would actually do led Zeppelin sets and bars that
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Speaker 2: would actually pay them very well. In fact, that's what
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Speaker 2: the bar owners wanted them to do, and at some
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Speaker 2: point I think they had to say, no, we're not
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Speaker 2: doing that anymore. We have to do original stuff. And
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Speaker 2: to that credit, that's when their career took off. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: they said that early on they would actually do all
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Speaker 2: led Zeppelin sets and they were very popular those sets.
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Speaker 1: One of the questions that I have here, I want
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Speaker 1: to go back to Creatures of the Night, Eric Carr,
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Speaker 1: talk about that massive sound on that album. Yes, this
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Speaker 1: is a fascinating part of your book on how they
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Speaker 1: managed to capture the sound on tape. Yes, what do
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Speaker 1: you remember about that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe. I interviewed Michael James Jackson for an
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Speaker 2: earlier book called The Eric Carr Story, and I was
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Speaker 2: able to use that quote in this book. He talks
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Speaker 2: about they put microphones down a elevator shaft, I believe,
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Speaker 2: and they played the drums and recorded it that way
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Speaker 2: to get an echoe, huge booming sound, which I've never
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Speaker 2: heard anyone ever trying that before or since. So that's
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Speaker 2: a very and it absolutely paid off. And something that
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Speaker 2: I really think Kiss fumbled the ball with is they
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Speaker 2: didn't continue in that path. They really should have continued
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Speaker 2: with that Creatures of the Night huge sound, but instead
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Speaker 2: what they did with starting with Lick It Up, and
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Speaker 2: with each eighties autum as it went on, they got
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Speaker 2: further and further away from that sound and just pretty
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Speaker 2: much embraced the puny eighties, very troubly sound, which I
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Speaker 2: really don't like at all with a lot of In fact,
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Speaker 2: recently I've been listening to a lot of the eighties bands,
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Speaker 2: and you know, some band it's weird. Some bands sound better,
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Speaker 2: sound better than others. I mean, Van Halen diver Down
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Speaker 2: sounds absolutely fantastic. Excuse me, sounds absolutely fantastic. But you know,
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Speaker 2: then you listen to I don't know. I'm sure if
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Speaker 2: you listen to like Motley Crue, Girls, Girls, Girls is
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Speaker 2: probably not very bassy. I'm just trying to remember what
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Speaker 2: it sounded like, you know that. Just yeah, that's just
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Speaker 2: my personal opinion.
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Speaker 1: I was just listening to the shouted out loud cast
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Speaker 1: guys on Eddie Trunk because they're promoting a book which
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Speaker 1: you're in. I believe you're in there. But Tom and Zeus, yeah,
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Speaker 1: raise your glasses. It's it covers every Zeppelin, every Kiss song,
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Speaker 1: every Kiss song, yes, every Kiss album. And Eddie Trunk
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Speaker 1: asked the guy if they had to choose between Creatures
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Speaker 1: of the Night or Lick it Up. You know, Tom
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Speaker 1: was saying, by a mile, he picks Lick it Up
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Speaker 1: or create Creatures of the Night totally.
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Speaker 2: Zeus disagree, disagree with that. Creatures of the Night. I
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Speaker 2: would put in my top five Kiss studio albums of
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Speaker 2: all time. And I'm pretty much just a seventies kiss guy, Like,
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Speaker 2: that's really all I really listened to, to be honest
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Speaker 2: with you. So for me to put that above say
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Speaker 2: like possibly Dynasty or Love Gun definitely, I think is
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Speaker 2: a pretty pretty glowing endorsement for that album.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Tom said he had like number seventeen on his
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Speaker 1: list of kiss albums, and Zeus I think had Just
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Speaker 1: Like You top five, which I would say is top
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Speaker 1: five too. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing that's so good about music is each person,
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Speaker 2: you know, like I could say an album or a band,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna say, no, I can't stand that band, whereas
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Speaker 2: I think it's fantastic. That's what's so good about music,
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Speaker 2: and that's sadly something that's getting lost with social media
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Speaker 2: and Twitter, just people being just acting like totally assholes.
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Speaker 2: If you ever say anything like oh I like this
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Speaker 2: ban or that band, it's like, no, what are you
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Speaker 2: talking about? But you know, no one can.
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Speaker 1: That blows my mind.
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Speaker 2: I don't can affect other people having different opinions or
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Speaker 2: different musical tastes or just taste with anything. You know,
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Speaker 2: some people take it personally, I mean personal point that
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Speaker 2: they would want to like, almost like they'd want to
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Speaker 2: physically attack you if they had the opportunity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, dude, calm down.
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Speaker 2: Man, you know, we're just I have to ask you
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Speaker 2: a question now. Yeah, yeah, what are your thoughts on
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Speaker 2: the Alex van Halen book.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that. In fact,
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Speaker 1: that's one of my questions here.
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Speaker 2: So then we could just we can just get to
17:34
Speaker 2: it later if you want.
17:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we're we're right about there. Because I was
17:38
Speaker 1: going to get into the to the eighties and you
17:41
Speaker 1: know the bands in the eighties, it sounded like Zeppelin,
17:45
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that, because Alex always was chasing
17:48
Speaker 1: the bottom sound and he really achieves it on forign Lawful'carnal.
17:52
Speaker 1: Now you know.
17:52
Speaker 2: That's why I'm glad you brought that up. I was
17:54
Speaker 2: gonna I was gonna make a point and I'll see
17:56
Speaker 2: if you agree with me. I think Van Halen was
17:58
Speaker 2: much more led Zeppelins sounding with Sammy Hagar in the
18:01
Speaker 2: band than when they had David Lee Roth in the band.
18:03
Speaker 1: Well, they had a different groove. They definitely had a
18:07
Speaker 1: different groove. And I think with Dave, I I hear
18:11
Speaker 1: what you're saying, especially on Foreign Lawful cornor Knowledge and
18:14
Speaker 1: the follow up album Balance. It's a massive bottom like sound.
18:18
Speaker 2: Would you also agree that Van Helen sounded more like Wright?
18:20
Speaker 2: Said Fred When they had Gary Sharon in the band.
18:26
Speaker 1: Right, said Fred, I love it. You know, Gary is
18:30
Speaker 1: such a good sport of y.
18:32
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I duwed him a few years back,
18:34
Speaker 2: and he couldn't have been a nicer, sweeter guy. So
18:36
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just poking a little bit of fun,
18:38
Speaker 2: but not a lot of respect for him.
18:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, props to him man, because he he answers the
18:45
Speaker 1: questions about Vanillen three. You know, he he had some
18:48
Speaker 1: good talks with Eddie just before he passed away. They
18:52
Speaker 1: had some good conversation.
18:53
Speaker 2: And also to his credit, I interviewed I believe it
18:56
Speaker 2: was Eddie Trunk once and he said he heard some
18:59
Speaker 2: of the demo for songs that were going to be
19:02
Speaker 2: on the next Gary schron album and he said there
19:04
Speaker 2: were so much better than the songs that were on
19:06
Speaker 2: Van Halen three. So I guess we'll never know, you know,
19:09
Speaker 2: But that's actually though, you.
19:11
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, it just never happened. But Alex's book, My
19:17
Speaker 1: thoughts on the book, Yeah, I wish that I wish
19:19
Speaker 1: that he covered the Sami years. It's still interesting to
19:22
Speaker 1: me that he's he said his reading behind that is
19:27
Speaker 1: the Dave years were the more spectacular years, the special years,
19:30
Speaker 1: not that there was anything bad about what they did
19:32
Speaker 1: after that, but he won't even mention Samy's name. Yeah,
19:36
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's more of a slight
19:38
Speaker 1: to Sammy or if he's just Yeah.
19:40
Speaker 2: If he's just book was written back in nineteen eighty eight,
19:42
Speaker 2: he would have said nothing about David Lee Roth and
19:44
Speaker 2: what the whole book would have been about Sammy Hagar,
19:47
Speaker 2: you know right?
19:48
Speaker 1: I mean four number one albums and fifty one to
19:53
Speaker 1: fifty is one of the greatest comeback albums in rock history.
19:58
Speaker 1: You got Dave leaving the band and maybe the most
20:01
Speaker 1: famous front man at that time in rock and roll,
20:04
Speaker 1: huge shoes to fill, everybody expecting it to fail, and
20:09
Speaker 1: they come out with fiftene fifty, which goes to number one,
20:12
Speaker 1: a number two single with why Can't This Be Loved?
20:15
Speaker 1: A huge victory for them, and then they follow up
20:17
Speaker 1: as we know, Oh You Won two and they're headlining
20:21
Speaker 1: The Monsters Are of Rock Festival. They go into the
20:23
Speaker 1: nineties when a lot of these bands from the eighties
20:26
Speaker 1: are starting to fall off the charts, and they have
20:29
Speaker 1: right now, and they have Top of the World and
20:31
Speaker 1: pound Cake, and I mean, it's not as if there's
20:34
Speaker 1: nothing to write it right. I have to be honest,
20:37
Speaker 1: and he should He should have he should have looked
20:39
Speaker 1: at it this way. From from the aspect of what
20:42
Speaker 1: Eddie was doing. He was having fun, spreading out and
20:45
Speaker 1: writing different type of music. He was He was actually
20:49
Speaker 1: sounding more Clapton like, like on when It's Love I
20:51
Speaker 1: re Member. He said that solo was like Clapton, so
20:53
Speaker 1: he was his brother was having fun writing those songs.
20:57
Speaker 2: Although I have to be honest, I was never a
20:59
Speaker 2: Van Hagar fan. I'd really just listened to strictly the
21:02
Speaker 2: davidly Roth and I love the what we talked about
21:05
Speaker 2: in the past. I love the David ly Roth Edoman
21:07
Speaker 2: Smile album as well. I think that they have to
21:10
Speaker 2: be honest. I I to this day, I don't think
21:13
Speaker 2: I've ever heard fifty one to fifty from beginning to ten.
21:16
Speaker 2: What do you think of that? He's I don't think
21:19
Speaker 2: I've ever heard any Van Hagar album other than for
21:22
Speaker 2: Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, Because I Remember I bought that album
21:26
Speaker 2: when it came out because I read an interview. I
21:28
Speaker 2: remember this. It was an interview with Eddie Van Halen
21:30
Speaker 2: in Guitar for the Practicing Musician, remember that magazine. Yeah, okay,
21:34
Speaker 2: and he said it was He said it was his
21:36
Speaker 2: best playing ever. So I was like, oh, then I
21:38
Speaker 2: have to go hear this. And I bought it. Didn't
21:41
Speaker 2: like it at.
21:41
Speaker 1: All, So yeah, you're just not not.
21:45
Speaker 2: And I like the first I love the first Montrose album.
21:49
Speaker 2: I just was never into Sammy Hagar solo, not into
21:53
Speaker 2: Van hall with Sammy Hagar. I just like Van Hallen
21:56
Speaker 2: with David Lee Roth. It's the only Van Haleen I
21:58
Speaker 2: listened to.
21:58
Speaker 1: Getting back to the theme of of the book, Zeppelin.
22:01
Speaker 1: I know Van Halen in their club days played some
22:03
Speaker 1: Zeppelin songs. They covered some Zeppelin.
22:05
Speaker 2: Songs they did. Yeah, yeah, we talked a little bit
22:06
Speaker 2: ab at that. I don't know offhand which Zeppelin songs
22:08
Speaker 2: they are. I think they probably did. I think they
22:11
Speaker 2: were more fans Trampled, more a fan of actually Black
22:14
Speaker 2: Sabbath than Zeppelin. I think it was Alex that was
22:17
Speaker 2: more the Zeppelin fan.
22:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he says in the book that he really
22:22
Speaker 1: wanted their music to sound more like Zeppelin. Like he
22:26
Speaker 1: wasn't the guy who wanted to do the harmonies. It
22:28
Speaker 1: was Ted Templeman. But that actually set them apart from
22:32
Speaker 1: everyone else. Right, that's sweetened up the sound and as
22:36
Speaker 1: you know, it became a huge part of the formula
22:39
Speaker 1: that worked for Van Halen. But yeah, the Daviers are untouchable.
22:42
Speaker 1: But yeah, they did trampled underfoot. Okay, uh, trying to
22:46
Speaker 1: think of what else. Yeah, I can't recall we we
22:50
Speaker 1: could look it up the club days, but obviously they
22:52
Speaker 1: were there were Zeppelin fans, and you could see a
22:55
Speaker 1: little bit of the Robert Plant influence on Dave. They
22:57
Speaker 1: always talk about the uh, the the what's his name
23:02
Speaker 1: did they say?
23:03
Speaker 2: Golden God Jim Dan and also his like Robert Plant did,
23:08
Speaker 2: had the whole Golden God shtick. You could say that
23:10
Speaker 2: David Lee Roth kind of copied that also. Now, I
23:13
Speaker 2: mean there are definitely parts of Van Hallen with the
23:17
Speaker 2: davidly Roth era that do sound a little bit like Zeppelin,
23:19
Speaker 2: like the song Sunday Afternoon in the Park. The drums
23:23
Speaker 2: I always sound a lot like Bottom.
23:26
Speaker 1: You mentioned that in the book and in the book,
23:28
Speaker 1: and in a simple rhyme you said as.
23:30
Speaker 2: Reminded me of like a Zeppelin type sounding song for
23:33
Speaker 2: some reason. I don't know why. Maybe the twelfth string
23:35
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's always.
23:37
Speaker 1: In a simple rhyme from Women and Children First, which
23:40
Speaker 1: is a great album.
23:40
Speaker 2: Great album.
23:41
Speaker 1: But other band White Snake, of course in the eighties,
23:44
Speaker 1: they became huge late in the decade. You mentioned Billy
23:47
Speaker 1: Squire and you cited his album nineteen eighty ones. Don't
23:52
Speaker 1: say no, so you did cover that. How about def Leppard, Yes,
23:57
Speaker 1: there's some Zeppelin influence there, but I would say the
24:02
Speaker 1: early def Leppard stuff more of an ACDC sound those
24:06
Speaker 1: early So yeah.
24:07
Speaker 2: It's actually a good point. I mean, honestly, I never
24:09
Speaker 2: really heard that much Zeppelin with def Leppard, other than
24:13
Speaker 2: the spelling of their names are very very similar. And
24:15
Speaker 2: I know that def Leppard's original guitarist, the late Steve Clark,
24:19
Speaker 2: was a huge Zeppelin fan, so and he even had
24:22
Speaker 2: like the low slung les Paul similar to Jimmy Page
24:26
Speaker 2: and Roll else to play double neck twelve string live.
24:29
Speaker 2: So I mean that's probably the biggest Zeppelin connections for me.
24:33
Speaker 2: I mean, there can't really think of like Francis.
24:36
Speaker 1: The queen influence you mentioned with def Leppard.
24:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I think def Leppard there's much more
24:41
Speaker 2: of a queen influence on def LEPPERD than there is
24:43
Speaker 2: a Zeppelin influencer.
24:46
Speaker 1: Book on rock podcasts will be back after this, now
24:49
Speaker 1: you wait, I'll be right back. Greg Pray to our guest,
24:54
Speaker 1: just released his latest book titled Lead Clones The Led
24:56
Speaker 1: Zeppelin Imitator Craze of the Eighties and Beyond. So we're
25:00
Speaker 1: going beyond the eighties. There it is who did the
25:04
Speaker 1: cover art? Was it? Your wife did that?
25:05
Speaker 2: As well as my wife, Mary Prato. She's very, very
25:08
Speaker 2: talented when it comes to designing covers. She has an
25:10
Speaker 2: art background, she's an art teacher. Cool, so she's always
25:14
Speaker 2: kind enough to help me out with the books. We
25:16
Speaker 2: collaborate on the ideas and she can always take my
25:18
Speaker 2: ideas and make them reality. So yeah, it's Captain Mary Prado.
25:22
Speaker 1: Nice steering away from Zeppelin a bit here. There's quite
25:25
Speaker 1: a story from your book on Billy Squire when he's
25:30
Speaker 1: recording in the Dark the Night John Lennon was assassinated
25:34
Speaker 1: and Billy only lived four blocks from the Dakota where
25:37
Speaker 1: Lennon was shot. Billy's bassist Mark Clark. You told, yes,
25:42
Speaker 1: you talked to him. He told the story, Yes, yes,
25:44
Speaker 1: Andrew did Mark Clark. Yeah.
25:46
Speaker 2: Some of the other people I interviewed specifically specifically for
25:49
Speaker 2: this book were Great Whites former manager Alan Niven, who
25:52
Speaker 2: is Great Whites manager, and he was also the manager
25:55
Speaker 2: of Guns and Roses early on, which is pretty much
25:57
Speaker 2: the only Guns and Roses are I really ever listened to,
26:00
Speaker 2: which is the Appetite for Destruction Era and due him
26:03
Speaker 2: as well. He had some very interesting things to say.
26:06
Speaker 2: And yeah, several other people, several pretty decent length the
26:10
Speaker 2: original interviews I did just strictly for this book. But yeah,
26:13
Speaker 2: Mark Clark was the basis who played on the Billy
26:16
Speaker 2: Squire Don't Say No album, and he talks about how
26:19
Speaker 2: they were working on a classic Billy Squire track, subsequent
26:23
Speaker 2: classic track, and they go out into the waiting room,
26:26
Speaker 2: I think of the recording studio, and the TV is
26:29
Speaker 2: on and that's when they found out this sad news
26:32
Speaker 2: that John Lennon was shot and sadly later killed.
26:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the dark they were recording in the dark track,
26:38
Speaker 1: yeah track. So you get stories like that in the
26:40
Speaker 1: book too. You mentioned Zebra. I'm so glad you mentioned Zebra.
26:44
Speaker 1: I actually have a friend of my brothers love Zebra.
26:47
Speaker 1: He goes out and sees them play over at in
26:49
Speaker 1: New York at Daryl Hall's Place there. Darryl's Place is
26:55
Speaker 1: the name of the club, right, and Zebra plays there
26:57
Speaker 1: all the time, all the time. Yeah, tell us about
27:00
Speaker 1: Zebra for those who may not be familiar with Zebra.
27:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a band that started out I believe in
27:05
Speaker 2: New Orleans, then relocated to Long Island, and they were
27:08
Speaker 2: kind of they were part of the same bar scene
27:10
Speaker 2: that actually Twisted Sister came out of that. There were
27:13
Speaker 2: these bands that were super huge on Long Island, like
27:16
Speaker 2: I played on thousands of people, but they could just
27:18
Speaker 2: not get recording contracts in the early eighties for some reason.
27:22
Speaker 2: So eventually though they were both Twisted Sister and Zebra
27:26
Speaker 2: were able to break through and get recording contracts, and
27:29
Speaker 2: Twisted Sisters I think obviously much more better known than Zebra,
27:32
Speaker 2: But Zebra, for about a year or so, we're actually
27:35
Speaker 2: pretty popular.
27:36
Speaker 1: I know.
27:36
Speaker 2: They had that first album that they claim was the
27:40
Speaker 2: best selling Atlantic Records debut of all time, which I
27:44
Speaker 2: personally think is bullshit because there's no way that that
27:47
Speaker 2: outsold the first Led Zeppelin album.
27:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you can.
27:50
Speaker 2: Tell me all these different theories or numbers, but I
27:53
Speaker 2: think it's just hogwash personally.
27:56
Speaker 1: But I ever heard that. Yeah, who Is Behind the
27:58
Speaker 1: Door and tell Me What You Want?
28:01
Speaker 2: Yeah? The song I really know by them is the
28:03
Speaker 2: song tell Me what You Want. That was the one
28:05
Speaker 2: that was play a lot on MTV, and their videos
28:08
Speaker 2: if you go back and watch their videos now, are
28:10
Speaker 2: completely unwatchable. But that song in particular, if you don't
28:15
Speaker 2: watch the videos, listen to the song and you won't
28:17
Speaker 2: be distracted and you'll be able to detect the zeppelin
28:21
Speaker 2: esque influence there.
28:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Nineteen eighty three, first album went gold
28:26
Speaker 1: number twenty nine on Billboard. Yeah. I so they're saying
28:31
Speaker 1: that was the biggest selling debut album on Atlantic. It
28:35
Speaker 1: was the fastest fastest selling.
28:37
Speaker 2: Out Yeah, which I mean, then what we can start saying,
28:41
Speaker 2: what was the best selling Atlantic Records album that had
28:44
Speaker 2: a black cover?
28:46
Speaker 1: Right?
28:46
Speaker 2: Yea, Yeah, what was the best selling album of Thursday?
28:51
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah? Of all the bands compared to Zeppelin from
28:56
Speaker 1: the eighties, I would say Kingdom Come and White Snake
28:58
Speaker 1: are probably the two biggies, and I'll take.
29:01
Speaker 2: There was a third one though, all right, Bonham.
29:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, bottom, you know, it's funny. I almost feel like
29:08
Speaker 1: because it's Jason's Bonhom's band and he's the son of John,
29:11
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't count. But you're right they did.
29:14
Speaker 1: They had a great song, wait for You, Wait for You,
29:17
Speaker 1: Wait for You.
29:19
Speaker 2: If you go back and listen to that song, now,
29:21
Speaker 2: it is preposterous how much they just totally famous. And
29:26
Speaker 2: it was funny because that kind of put Jimmy Page
29:28
Speaker 2: and also especially Robert Plant in a very tight spot
29:32
Speaker 2: because both of them were completely making fun of and
29:37
Speaker 2: ridiculing all of the lead clones up till then and
29:40
Speaker 2: then the band Bonham comes out because it has Jason
29:43
Speaker 2: Bonham and it sounds like the most shameless led Zeppelin ripoff.
29:46
Speaker 2: They both kind of had to like bite their tongues
29:48
Speaker 2: a little bit and not say like what the fuck.
29:51
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, if you listen to it, it's it's worse,
29:55
Speaker 2: not worse, but it's it's much more shameless than Great
29:59
Speaker 2: White Great White White Snake or Kingdom Come. I would
30:04
Speaker 2: say Bonham takes the cake.
30:05
Speaker 1: And they pulled up his drums in the mix. You
30:07
Speaker 1: could tell way up in the next you know, he
30:10
Speaker 1: was the star of the band. There's no doubt.
30:11
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
30:12
Speaker 1: But I'll take White Snake any day over Kingdom Come,
30:18
Speaker 1: I know, regardless of those who accused me.
30:20
Speaker 2: Well, you know, honestly, I always you know, one thing,
30:22
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, I'm not a big White Snake fan.
30:24
Speaker 2: I mean, I try people. It's a very popular thing
30:28
Speaker 2: people say, is that, Oh I don't like the nineteen
30:31
Speaker 2: eighty seven White Snake album, but they're earlier things I love.
30:34
Speaker 2: I love I think come Come and Get It and
30:38
Speaker 2: Saints and Sinners.
30:39
Speaker 1: Or yeah, those are the only ones. They're more like
30:41
Speaker 1: straight out of his Deep Purple days.
30:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. I tried listening to him and I couldn't get
30:45
Speaker 2: into it. But that said, I love David Coverdell's work
30:48
Speaker 2: with Deep Purple, so at least I can say that that,
30:52
Speaker 2: you know, there is an era of David coverdil that
30:54
Speaker 2: I am a very big fan of. But White Snake
30:56
Speaker 2: just really doesn't do it for me.
30:58
Speaker 1: Did you like slipp of the Tongue with Stevie Vai?
31:00
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, but the thing is back in the eighties,
31:03
Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of music that now I
31:06
Speaker 2: just can't stand like or just it's probably the same
31:10
Speaker 2: with a lot of people. Just you either have gross
31:11
Speaker 2: stuff for you just I mean Whitesnake when I listened
31:14
Speaker 2: to it now, I just really don't like it at all.
31:16
Speaker 2: But at the time I loved it. I bought the
31:18
Speaker 2: eighty seven album. I bought Slip of the Tongue because
31:21
Speaker 2: I was a huge Steve Ifan. But listening to it now, oh,
31:25
Speaker 2: I can't even make it past a few seconds.
31:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Still the Night has that breakdown that sounds
31:30
Speaker 1: like a lot of love but also judgment. Day off
31:33
Speaker 1: of Slip of the Tongue sounds like Kashmir.
31:36
Speaker 2: I got to tell you. Doing research for this book,
31:39
Speaker 2: like I had not listened to the whole song Still
31:42
Speaker 2: of the Night in years, maybe even decades, And I
31:46
Speaker 2: listened to it and it was an absolutely it was
31:49
Speaker 2: an absolute fascinating piece of work, not for all the
31:52
Speaker 2: right reasons, for all the wrong reasons. I mean, I
31:56
Speaker 2: could not believe what I was hearing. Number one. I
31:59
Speaker 2: then went back watched the video and there's the part
32:02
Speaker 2: where Adrian Vandenberg has a violin bow like Jimmy Pate. Yes,
32:08
Speaker 2: but it's not he's not even really. I can understand
32:11
Speaker 2: if he was playing the violin bow, but it's not
32:13
Speaker 2: even He's just replicating what a orchestra is playing.
32:17
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, what was Robert Plant's nickname for him, David
32:21
Speaker 1: Cover David Cover Version Cover Version. And then I got to.
32:27
Speaker 2: Say I was able to go back and dig up
32:28
Speaker 2: some forgotten quotes. You got to give Robert Plant credit.
32:32
Speaker 2: He was very witty and very funny. I remember that,
32:35
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny. At the time, I was like, oh,
32:37
Speaker 2: that's kind of like, you know, fucked up. He's making
32:39
Speaker 2: fun of White Snake because I was like a fan
32:40
Speaker 2: of White Snake.
32:41
Speaker 1: At the time.
32:41
Speaker 2: But now that I'm older and I can, you know,
32:43
Speaker 2: I've distanced myself and I could see some of the
32:47
Speaker 2: things he said are very very funny and also very
32:49
Speaker 2: very witty. Like one thing he was saying, which is
32:51
Speaker 2: a good point, he's like, you know, when I started out,
32:54
Speaker 2: I was like, I admit I was kind of aping.
32:58
Speaker 2: I was aping Elvis Presley. But the thing is, Elvis
33:01
Speaker 2: Presley was like miles and miles away from me, and like,
33:05
Speaker 2: you know, he you know, I didn't know him, and
33:07
Speaker 2: but he says, but then here's David Coverdale trying to
33:11
Speaker 2: sound like me, and here's a guy that's like my
33:13
Speaker 2: age and someone like I hung out with, Like, you know, what,
33:15
Speaker 2: what the hell is that about? Which you know that
33:17
Speaker 2: is a very valid point.
33:19
Speaker 1: You talk about awkward for Robert had to have been
33:22
Speaker 1: awkward when his BANDMATEE Jimmy Page forms a band with
33:25
Speaker 1: David Coverdale.
33:27
Speaker 2: Right. Well, see that that's when I.
33:28
Speaker 1: Think those quotes came from Robert. A lot of those quotes,
33:31
Speaker 1: I think is when he but that's a great I
33:34
Speaker 1: like that album Coverdale Page.
33:36
Speaker 2: See now okay, now you know I'm glad you said that,
33:38
Speaker 2: because now that's an album that I never had any
33:40
Speaker 2: interest in listening to, because when that came out in
33:42
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, that was the last thing I wanted
33:45
Speaker 2: to hear because I was all about Smashing Pumpkins, Faith
33:48
Speaker 2: No More Soundgarden. I did not want to hear anything
33:51
Speaker 2: to do with David Coverdale. And also, something I talk
33:54
Speaker 2: about in the book, I don't know where? Now? Where
33:57
Speaker 2: are you based? Again?
33:58
Speaker 1: Eric?
33:58
Speaker 2: I forgot it?
33:59
Speaker 1: Connecticut? Southing in Connecticut, so not too far from where
34:02
Speaker 1: you are about forty five minutes from Toad's place. Ice
34:05
Speaker 1: you've gone many times in New Haven.
34:06
Speaker 2: Yes, here on Long Island, there is a radio station
34:10
Speaker 2: called WBAB. I've heard it a yeah, and they're pretty
34:14
Speaker 2: much a classic rock station. But they have not changed
34:17
Speaker 2: their playlist, I swear to god since nineteen eighty two.
34:19
Speaker 1: Oh it's sad.
34:21
Speaker 2: You will still hear Pat Benattar, You'll still hear heartbreak? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
34:27
Speaker 2: I go. But you know they will now add in
34:29
Speaker 2: like you know, guns and Roses and maybe a Nirvana
34:32
Speaker 2: song here and there. But my point is that they,
34:38
Speaker 2: beginning from the early eighties, would bombard you with led Zeppelin,
34:41
Speaker 2: and it's always the same songs over and over and
34:45
Speaker 2: over again, to the point that it actually makes you
34:48
Speaker 2: sick of led Zeppelin, So that there was a point
34:51
Speaker 2: in the late eighties early nineties that although I could
34:54
Speaker 2: led Zeppelin in the eighties mid eighties is one of
34:56
Speaker 2: my favorite bands, but I got so burnt out on
34:58
Speaker 2: them because I was being forced to hear them non stop.
35:01
Speaker 2: I mean just hearing the same songs over and over
35:03
Speaker 2: that I just had to cut them off for a while,
35:05
Speaker 2: like they were like, yes, several years, I just could
35:07
Speaker 2: not listen to them, which then eventually, with the advent
35:10
Speaker 2: of the Internet, then I didn't really have to deal
35:13
Speaker 2: with radio anymore. I could just listen to what I wanted.
35:15
Speaker 2: And then that's when I went back and listened to
35:17
Speaker 2: Led Zeppelin, and then of course they became one of
35:19
Speaker 2: my favorite bands again.
35:20
Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to have a Zeppelin special on the
35:22
Speaker 1: radio station. I was a DJ at in Fairfield County, Connecticut,
35:26
Speaker 1: right near New York, and it was three Zeppelin songs
35:29
Speaker 1: every night. Yes, and it would be two of them
35:32
Speaker 1: that that had to play, which they pick with the
35:34
Speaker 1: ones that you would hear all the time, but the other,
35:37
Speaker 1: the third one, I'd always picked something really obscure because
35:40
Speaker 1: like you was just burned out. Yeah, so I would
35:43
Speaker 1: I would play like I don't know, I'd play something
35:45
Speaker 1: from like like in the evening, from into the outdoor
35:50
Speaker 1: or something.
35:50
Speaker 2: Right right that's not played them. Yeah. So, like I
35:53
Speaker 2: was saying, when that album Coverill Page came out, I
35:57
Speaker 2: had no interest in listening to it. But when I
35:59
Speaker 2: was doing research for this book, I finally sat down
36:02
Speaker 2: and I gave it a listen, and shockingly I did
36:05
Speaker 2: not hate it. It. Yeah, and there were actually some songs.
36:09
Speaker 2: There's one song I talked about. I don't know the
36:11
Speaker 2: name of it. It's this third or fourth song, but
36:13
Speaker 2: I actually legitimately thought was a pretty good song, Like
36:15
Speaker 2: if it came on, I'd be like, it's actually because
36:18
Speaker 2: what it was. That was one of the few songs
36:20
Speaker 2: that I thought they weren't shamelessly doing like a Led
36:23
Speaker 2: Zeppelin ripoff. It was almost like a doomy Black Sabbath vibe,
36:27
Speaker 2: which I thought was very interesting.
36:28
Speaker 1: And yeah, let me see if I can guess which
36:31
Speaker 1: one you mean. Sadly it is not on Spotify.
36:35
Speaker 2: No, I was going to say, I don't think.
36:37
Speaker 1: It's still not. I just look now because I remember
36:39
Speaker 1: looking a while back. Shake my Tree waiting on You
36:43
Speaker 1: Take Me for a little while. Pride and Joy is
36:45
Speaker 1: track four. That was the first single.
36:47
Speaker 2: Yes, no, I have it right here. The name of
36:49
Speaker 2: the song is over Now over Now. Yes, okay, that's
36:52
Speaker 2: the song that now it's almost like a Black Sabbathy
36:57
Speaker 2: doom sound, which I was. I was pleasantly surprised with that.
37:00
Speaker 2: So yeah, I honestly didn't. I didn't hate it. I
37:03
Speaker 2: was expecting to not like it at all. I mean, granted,
37:06
Speaker 2: there are songs on there that I actually laugh at
37:08
Speaker 2: loud how preposterous they are.
37:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, well take a look at yourself as like a
37:12
Speaker 1: white Snake song.
37:13
Speaker 2: Yes exactly. But but yeah, but my whole thing, my
37:18
Speaker 2: whole view on the album is I think that possibly
37:20
Speaker 2: Jimmy Page did an album hoping that it would piss
37:23
Speaker 2: off Robert Plants so much they would want to then
37:25
Speaker 2: work together, which they ultimately wound up doing one year later.
37:28
Speaker 2: So be it all, it all wound up working out me.
37:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, could could be. Yeah. Yeah. This song by Gary
37:35
Speaker 1: Moore called leg Clones, we talked about it up front.
37:38
Speaker 1: That's how he came up with the title. What did
37:41
Speaker 1: Gary tell you about the song? Because you did ask
37:43
Speaker 1: him about it right well, well.
37:45
Speaker 2: And honestly, Gary, the quotes from Gary were not into
37:48
Speaker 2: that I did with him because I forget where the
37:50
Speaker 2: quotes were because.
37:51
Speaker 1: He was okay, so because he was talking about how
37:53
Speaker 1: he just he meant it as a lighthearted joke, but
37:55
Speaker 1: some people got pissed off at him.
37:58
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like what happened was I talk about in
38:00
Speaker 2: the book. There was an issue of Kerrang magazine that
38:03
Speaker 2: all five members of Kingdom come or they're each holding
38:07
Speaker 2: up paper plates and each have a word on it.
38:10
Speaker 2: I think the messages We're so sorry Gary or something
38:15
Speaker 2: like that, which is because in the song lead Clones
38:19
Speaker 2: the lyric is in the chorus, I believe, or it's
38:22
Speaker 2: not on the chorus. It's like a middle party says
38:24
Speaker 2: you've got to get it on in the still of
38:27
Speaker 2: the night, which is obviously he's poking fun at White
38:30
Speaker 2: Snake and also Kingdom Come with their with their song titles.
38:34
Speaker 2: So yeah, so Kingdom Come was hurt by that. But
38:37
Speaker 2: I don't know. Kingdom Come, I think was gone after
38:39
Speaker 2: that second album pretty much.
38:40
Speaker 1: Right, I think so they were on that Mantras of
38:42
Speaker 1: Rock tour with the name, Yes they were. But the
38:46
Speaker 1: thing about Still the Night is that it was so
38:52
Speaker 1: successful that it only encouraged bands to do that, even
38:56
Speaker 1: more so because it was a huge hit.
38:58
Speaker 2: So you know, now that I think about it, pretty
39:02
Speaker 2: sure Kingdom Come only had two albums. Would you say,
39:06
Speaker 2: to quote the Great Dean Warmer, they were out of
39:08
Speaker 2: there like ship through a goose.
39:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, an animal House reference. Oh my god,
39:15
Speaker 1: what what you're on? Triple double probation or double triple.
39:20
Speaker 2: Probation?
39:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this one.
39:24
Speaker 2: I think it was just double double and then uh.
39:28
Speaker 1: One of the one of the clips I use when
39:30
Speaker 1: I go into a commercial break for the podcast is
39:32
Speaker 1: where he says things it's it's time to put put
39:37
Speaker 1: my foot down and that foot is me or something.
39:40
Speaker 2: You know that that that whole movie is just chock
39:43
Speaker 2: full of classics such as fat, Drunk and stupid. Is
39:45
Speaker 2: no way, no way to go through life?
39:48
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Kingdom. Come, I want to look up there.
39:51
Speaker 1: You're saying, what two albums?
39:53
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe you know. They may have squeaked out
39:55
Speaker 2: a third one, but I know this, there were only
39:58
Speaker 2: two albums that were promote not in that I remember
40:01
Speaker 2: hearing about on like or seeing videos of on MTV.
40:04
Speaker 1: Yeah let's see. Oh wow, No, wait a minute, we're
40:06
Speaker 1: way off studio albums. They got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
40:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what it is though, I bet
40:16
Speaker 2: it's not the original lineup. I think band members started
40:18
Speaker 2: to come and go, and like, I think the last
40:20
Speaker 2: few aren't even with Lenny Woolf on vocals.
40:23
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not mistaken, but look at Get It on
40:25
Speaker 1: sixty nine, number sixty nine single on the mainstream charts
40:30
Speaker 1: again number four on the rock chart, so they actually
40:35
Speaker 1: did fairly well.
40:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh you know, I was gonna give a shout
40:38
Speaker 2: out to Also. I interviewed Eddie Trunk for this book,
40:40
Speaker 2: and he he had some very good valid points. In fact,
40:43
Speaker 2: the reason why I just thought him he had some
40:45
Speaker 2: great things to say, thought provoking things to say about
40:48
Speaker 2: Kingdom come because he at the time year I remember
40:51
Speaker 2: that in the book he was working in radio and
40:53
Speaker 2: also for I believe Mega Force Records, so he was
40:56
Speaker 2: part of the actual record business and radio and all
40:59
Speaker 2: that stuff at time. So he gives some good memories
41:02
Speaker 2: of what it was like to be working at radio
41:04
Speaker 2: and with also labels at the time of Kingdom come Bo.
41:08
Speaker 1: Podcasts will be back after this, but time.
41:11
Speaker 2: Has come for someone to put his foot down.
41:14
Speaker 1: And that foot is me. Talk about what the guys
41:20
Speaker 1: in Zeppelin had to say about these bands. I mean,
41:21
Speaker 1: we talked about what Plant said about Coverdale, but what
41:25
Speaker 1: did the other guys think of Like, what did Paige
41:28
Speaker 1: say about some of those bands? What did John Paul
41:32
Speaker 1: Jones say? Did he ever talk about it? Did they
41:35
Speaker 1: like it?
41:35
Speaker 2: Not like it?
41:36
Speaker 1: Yeah?
41:36
Speaker 2: What's funny is there's a quote in there that A
41:38
Speaker 2: Page says that he's very critical of White Snake, and
41:42
Speaker 2: we talked about before. In the video for Still of
41:44
Speaker 2: the Night, Adrian Vandenberg takes out the violin bow and
41:48
Speaker 2: he's doing the whole Jimmy Page thing. And I remember
41:52
Speaker 2: Jimmy Page says he was sitting at his house once
41:56
Speaker 2: Saturday morning and he puts on MTV and the video
41:58
Speaker 2: comes on and he sees that, and he said he
42:00
Speaker 2: almost fell out of his bed, is what he said.
42:02
Speaker 2: That was his quote because he I guess it was
42:04
Speaker 2: either overcome with laughter or couldn't believe what he was seeing.
42:08
Speaker 2: But he was able to put his differences aside because
42:11
Speaker 2: he eventually did a whole, entire bloody album with David Coverdale.
42:15
Speaker 2: But I know also John Paul Jones talks about one
42:19
Speaker 2: thing that a lot of the drummers got wrong at
42:21
Speaker 2: the time or the bands that were aping Led Zeppelin,
42:24
Speaker 2: was they were doing a lot of just heavy like
42:26
Speaker 2: his quote is m bash, hmmm bash, whereas led Zeppelin
42:31
Speaker 2: and especially John Bonham, was all about space. And one
42:36
Speaker 2: thing that a lot of people say made John Bonham
42:38
Speaker 2: such a great drummer is he never played to a
42:40
Speaker 2: click track, or I mean maybe he did on later
42:44
Speaker 2: his Zeppelin album was, but at least on like led
42:45
Speaker 2: Zeppelin four, in those early classic ones, he wasn't playing
42:49
Speaker 2: to a click track. And it's all the slight, little
42:52
Speaker 2: speeding up and slowing down type stuff that makes him
42:55
Speaker 2: such a great drummer and made those songs breathe and
42:58
Speaker 2: have you know a little space and took on a
43:01
Speaker 2: whole entire aura of their own.
43:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like all of the guitarists tried to
43:08
Speaker 1: copy Eddie. You could look to bottom where all of
43:12
Speaker 1: the drummers were trying to copy his sound, but it
43:14
Speaker 1: got to the point where there was no finesse to it.
43:19
Speaker 1: It was just they're trying so much to sound like yeah,
43:22
Speaker 1: you know, but Bonzo was just more than just slamming
43:25
Speaker 1: away on this games.
43:26
Speaker 2: Like you said, there's a good quote in the book
43:29
Speaker 2: by a produce famed Jack and Dino, who produced Nirvana's Bleach.
43:33
Speaker 2: He worked with Sound Garden on their Streaming Life EPI.
43:36
Speaker 2: He worked for a lot of He produced a lot
43:39
Speaker 2: of these subpop bands in the eighties, and he said
43:42
Speaker 2: that the Coverill Page album is the ultimate example of
43:46
Speaker 2: a album that should have had a great seventies sounding production,
43:53
Speaker 2: like a raw production, the sound of a band in
43:55
Speaker 2: a room playing live, and instead it was that awful
43:58
Speaker 2: late eighties with the drum sound where it sounds like
44:02
Speaker 2: it's like like those cannon drums and just horribly overproduced
44:07
Speaker 2: and click tracks and just all that garbage.
44:09
Speaker 1: And that was nineteen ninety three. You figured out that
44:12
Speaker 1: could is.
44:12
Speaker 2: And I remember I was when I was interviewing Jack
44:15
Speaker 2: and Dino. He was like, yeah, you know, they were
44:18
Speaker 2: doing that in the eighties and blah blah. I was like, no, no, wait,
44:20
Speaker 2: they weren't doing that in the eighties. That was from
44:22
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, So there's no excuse for that, because
44:25
Speaker 2: that's a few years after you have Pearl Jam and
44:29
Speaker 2: Blind Melon and Soundgarden and these bands that are doing
44:32
Speaker 2: real live sounds. So there was no excuse for that
44:35
Speaker 2: at that point. I just don't get that at all.
44:37
Speaker 1: By the way, our band Blind Melon did a great
44:39
Speaker 1: cover of Out on the Tiles.
44:41
Speaker 2: Yes, right, although I have to say one of my
44:43
Speaker 2: favorite Zeppelin covers I thought Stone Table Pilots did a
44:46
Speaker 2: fantastic cover of Dancing Days.
44:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was released as a single. I think yes,
44:51
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. I just saw a headline Scott Wiland's
44:54
Speaker 1: Sun has a band, he's.
44:56
Speaker 2: A singer, or possibly possibly just saw an email.
44:59
Speaker 1: Is released a new album or single or something. I
45:01
Speaker 1: got to check it out. Let's talk about Soundguard, and
45:04
Speaker 1: you mentioned them. Kim Thile told you that their comparison
45:08
Speaker 1: to Zeppelin was actually something that proved harmful to the band, right.
45:12
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I have to say, I often heard
45:15
Speaker 2: people say that Soundgarden was either a Zeppelin ripoff or
45:20
Speaker 2: heavily influenced by Zeppelin. I personally don't hear it that much.
45:24
Speaker 2: I think they were more of a Black Sabbathy doom thing. Sure,
45:27
Speaker 2: I think it's probably Chris Cornell's high vocals, but I
45:30
Speaker 2: don't know. I never thought he was really like a
45:32
Speaker 2: Robbert Plant clone or anything.
45:33
Speaker 1: So I never saw that either.
45:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm kind of friendly with Kim, and I've
45:37
Speaker 2: done interviews with all the Soundgarden guys, and they've both
45:39
Speaker 2: pretty much said that they respect led Zeppelin, but they
45:42
Speaker 2: were not really They weren't a band that they really
45:45
Speaker 2: replicated or sent out set out to sound like. They
45:48
Speaker 2: came more from like punk rock.
45:49
Speaker 1: I think.
45:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, and their whole thing was like what Black Flagged
45:53
Speaker 2: in the eighties, which was slowing down punk rocks. It's
45:55
Speaker 2: almost like Black Sabbath.
45:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, absolutely, there's like a combination of Black Sabbath
46:01
Speaker 1: and punk or even a little bit of like Black
46:03
Speaker 1: Sabbath and early Aerosmith kind of right, that's the.
46:06
Speaker 2: Thing, because the thing with sound Guard and they never
46:08
Speaker 2: really had any like boogie bluesy type songs, you know,
46:11
Speaker 2: so that too was a little bit different. But to
46:14
Speaker 2: answer your question, yeah, what happened was there was an
46:17
Speaker 2: early show that Sundgarden was playing and someone in the
46:21
Speaker 2: audience was before they put out an album. Someone in
46:23
Speaker 2: the audience didn't care for what they were doing because
46:25
Speaker 2: they're playing very slow plotting stuff, and an audience member
46:29
Speaker 2: took a glass ash tray back in the days when
46:31
Speaker 2: you could smoke, I guess, in bars, and throw it
46:34
Speaker 2: at the stage and it crashed off of Matt Cameron's
46:36
Speaker 2: drum set and cracked, and they heard and they heard
46:40
Speaker 2: the guy in the audience say fucking led Zeppelin, shit
46:42
Speaker 2: or something like that as an insult. So I guess
46:47
Speaker 2: the moral of the story is trying to sound like
46:48
Speaker 2: led Zeppelin back in the late eighties. If you're playing
46:51
Speaker 2: in front of a punk rock crowd.
46:53
Speaker 1: Right, what are the Zeppelin connections that you found with
46:56
Speaker 1: in Nirvana?
46:57
Speaker 2: They had a song on the Incess Side album, which
47:01
Speaker 2: is an outtakes album called it was called Arrow Zeppelin,
47:05
Speaker 2: which to me, it's not as shameless led Zeppelin ripoff.
47:09
Speaker 2: It's just because it has a very pronounced riff in it.
47:12
Speaker 2: But even the riff I wouldn't think sounds like led Zeppelin.
47:15
Speaker 2: It's like sloppy punk. I mean, it's actually a pretty
47:17
Speaker 2: good song, but it doesn't really reek of Zeppelin, as
47:21
Speaker 2: you know, It's not even near the same as Still
47:25
Speaker 2: of the Night or Get It On or any of
47:27
Speaker 2: those songs. But I know also that Kurt Cobain was
47:30
Speaker 2: a huge Zeppelin fan, and then of course Dave Grohl
47:33
Speaker 2: is a huge Bontom fan. And even Chad Channing, drummer
47:36
Speaker 2: who played on Bleach, was also a big bonhom fan
47:39
Speaker 2: as well, because I interviewed him for one of my
47:41
Speaker 2: earlier books called Bonham Yep.
47:43
Speaker 1: And Dave Grohl has the tattoo the symbol yes bottom
47:47
Speaker 1: used on Zeppelin four.
47:49
Speaker 2: And I think even early on when Kurt Cobain and
47:52
Speaker 2: Chris Novaselk were looking for a drummer. They placed in
47:55
Speaker 2: ads and they placed an AD and they listed led
47:58
Speaker 2: Zeppelin as one of their influences.
47:59
Speaker 1: I think yeah, and there are Zeppelin's influence on rock bands.
48:03
Speaker 1: It did fade as the years win Pie, but it
48:05
Speaker 1: didn't go away. Two bands that stand out among the
48:07
Speaker 1: twenty first century wolf Mother and Greta van Fleet. I
48:11
Speaker 1: loved what wolf Mother was doing. I like Greta van Fleet,
48:15
Speaker 1: but I'd pick wolf Mother over the two.
48:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I gotta say, I'm gonna be honest
48:19
Speaker 2: because like, I'm not in the age demographic that is
48:22
Speaker 2: trying to you know, Greta Van Fleet is not trying
48:25
Speaker 2: to appeal to Greg Prade. I'll let just say that.
48:28
Speaker 2: You know, they're appealing to a whole different crowd. So
48:31
Speaker 2: you know, I've heard little drips and drabs of their
48:35
Speaker 2: music and I'm like, it's kind of like a led
48:37
Speaker 2: Zeppelin derivative thing, and there are some songs that sound
48:40
Speaker 2: like it. But I gotta tell you I am not
48:42
Speaker 2: offended and it does not rub me the wrong way
48:45
Speaker 2: as much as when I hear Still of the Night
48:48
Speaker 2: or Get It On or the bottom band from the eighties.
48:53
Speaker 2: As their albums go on, I'm talking I'm talking about
48:56
Speaker 2: I'm talking about specifically Greta Van Fleet. Now their albums
49:00
Speaker 2: have gone on, I think they're doing a little different.
49:03
Speaker 2: Like there's one song I forget the name, but I
49:05
Speaker 2: talk about it in the book. It actually sounds like
49:07
Speaker 2: an eighties power ballad that they did.
49:10
Speaker 1: And is it a single that they released? Is it?
49:13
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty sure it's a single. Yeah, I'm
49:14
Speaker 2: pretty sure it's a single. I talk about it in
49:16
Speaker 2: the book. Okay, say yes, song that I mentioned, I
49:20
Speaker 2: try to find it quick.
49:21
Speaker 1: Try to find it. I was gonna also look up
49:23
Speaker 1: wolf Mother because as far as I know, I think
49:26
Speaker 1: wolf Mother might be still a band. But yeah, Andrew
49:31
Speaker 1: Stockdale is like the only remaining member. But yeah, let's
49:37
Speaker 1: find that song. Greta Van Fleet. So you say it
49:40
Speaker 1: sounds a little bit.
49:42
Speaker 2: It sounds sounds almost like an eighties Okay, wait, it's
49:44
Speaker 2: called You're the One.
49:46
Speaker 1: You're the One? Okay. I don't know if I've.
49:49
Speaker 2: Heard say I say, they could have been a hit
49:51
Speaker 2: power ballad back in the eighties. You're the one, I said,
49:54
Speaker 2: especially if you replace the organ with the CASTEO swapped
49:58
Speaker 2: producers Marlon Young, Al Sutton and herschel Boone with either
50:02
Speaker 2: Tom Werman bow Hill or Spencer Prawfer. Okay, and also
50:07
Speaker 2: issued an accompanying music video show, partly in black and
50:10
Speaker 2: white and partly in color, that focused on the rigors
50:14
Speaker 2: of life on the road, Missing Your Honey.
50:15
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, number twelve rock radio single in twenty eighteen. Yes,
50:21
Speaker 1: and that's off of Anthem of the Peaceful Army. Okay,
50:25
Speaker 1: we'll put that in this episode's playlist. Okay. And Robert
50:30
Speaker 1: Plant commented on Greta van Fleet that's in your book
50:33
Speaker 1: what we have to say.
50:34
Speaker 2: He seemed to not be as turned off by them
50:37
Speaker 2: as or he wasn't as filled with venom as he
50:41
Speaker 2: was towards David Coverel in the eighties. Yeah, because the
50:44
Speaker 2: thing I was gonna ask you too. Now it seems
50:47
Speaker 2: like am I crazy? Or is led Zeppelin not as
50:53
Speaker 2: I don't want to say, not as popular, but not
50:55
Speaker 2: as like widespread as they were in the eighties now.
50:58
Speaker 2: I mean, like, for instance, like teenagers. I don't think
51:00
Speaker 2: as many teenagers now are under the led Zeppelin spell
51:04
Speaker 2: as they were like when I was a teenager in
51:07
Speaker 2: the late eighties.
51:08
Speaker 1: I agree, I would say that's the case. I asked
51:10
Speaker 1: my nephew, he's twenty and he's big into rap. That's
51:15
Speaker 1: pretty much all he dots you to. And I said,
51:17
Speaker 1: do any of you or any of your friends listen
51:19
Speaker 1: to any rock and roll? He's like, yeah, a little bit,
51:21
Speaker 1: and he said Pink Floyd right, didn't see Zeppelin?
51:25
Speaker 2: Did sound say anything? Queen may have replaced fled Zeppelin
51:28
Speaker 2: as the band that probably is more played and more
51:32
Speaker 2: like widespread throughout the generations at this point.
51:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, because my sister, her daughter, I think I remember
51:41
Speaker 1: she was maybe ten or eleven when this came up,
51:45
Speaker 1: and her dad was Her dad knew that I was
51:48
Speaker 1: a big music guy, and he says, Isabelle, tell uncle
51:53
Speaker 1: Eric what your favorite band is? Said Queen. I was like, oh,
51:57
Speaker 1: that's cool, all right, we got some rock and roll.
52:00
Speaker 1: He's still alive. Because that's what I wonder, how many
52:03
Speaker 1: how many younger people listen to rock and roll? But
52:06
Speaker 1: that's the one that's one upside to Greta van Fleet,
52:08
Speaker 1: Like you say, they're more they're appealing towards a younger audience,
52:11
Speaker 1: and that's great. So yes, maybe if whatever it takes
52:14
Speaker 1: to get at resurgence of rock and roll. Right, they'll
52:17
Speaker 1: take it. They'll take it. Boo Podcasts. We'll be back
52:22
Speaker 1: after this.
52:22
Speaker 2: I've seen the fus. You know what it is.
52:24
Speaker 1: It's a forty seven year old virgiin sitting round of
52:26
Speaker 1: this space.
52:26
Speaker 2: But Jomas Treking a banana Brocoli shakes thing, and I'm
52:28
Speaker 2: an Oscar Mayer.
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Speaker 1: Wee Lead Clones the led Zeppelin imitator craze of the
52:34
Speaker 1: eighties and beyond. It is out now and you can
52:36
Speaker 1: find it wherever books are sold, and people can find
52:39
Speaker 1: you online Greg ware.
52:42
Speaker 2: At a Twitter dot com slash Greg prator writer or
52:45
Speaker 2: x dot com slash Greg prader writer. That's the popular
52:48
Speaker 2: thing to say nowadays. And also you can go on
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Speaker 2: Amazon dot com do a search for Greg Prado or
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Speaker 2: or lead Clones. Because this book is available as paperback, hardcover, kindle,
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Speaker 2: or audio version narrated by me.
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Speaker 1: You do another audio? Okay, I do? You're getting into those? Huh?
53:07
Speaker 1: You enjoy that?
53:08
Speaker 2: Well, you know what it is. It's pretty much all
53:11
Speaker 2: about making money, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: It's it man. You got you got you got kids,
53:15
Speaker 1: you got family to feed.
53:17
Speaker 2: You know, mortgage bills.
53:21
Speaker 1: All right, Greg. Thanks man. Well, we'll have you back
53:24
Speaker 1: on again whenever. Whenever you would like to come back on.
53:27
Speaker 1: You have an open here.
53:29
Speaker 2: And also one last I just wanted to say, there's
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Speaker 2: a part in the book that I talk about if
53:33
Speaker 2: led Zeppelin cloned others all chapters.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, that's well, you know, that's the thing
53:42
Speaker 1: is that they were accused of stealing a lot of
53:44
Speaker 1: the old blues songs. Yes, and there were lawsuits that
53:49
Speaker 1: were filed. And I don't know what do you think
53:52
Speaker 1: about that?
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Speaker 2: You know what it was, I'll be honest. Until I
53:55
Speaker 2: did research for this book, I was like, yeah, they
53:57
Speaker 2: probably may have just barred a thing here or there.
53:59
Speaker 2: But with the advent of YouTube and things like that,
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Speaker 2: and they have these special things on YouTube that they
54:06
Speaker 2: will play a bit of a led Zeppelin song and
54:08
Speaker 2: play another song, and yeah, I hate to say it,
54:10
Speaker 2: they definitely did rip off a lot of bands, but
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Speaker 2: two led Zeppelin's credit, they did write a lot of
54:15
Speaker 2: their own original material that was just as good. But
54:18
Speaker 2: you have to admit that, yes, they did in fact
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Speaker 2: shamelessly rip off a lot of people, and early on
54:23
Speaker 2: did not credit them. So that is quite a shady maneuver.
54:26
Speaker 2: Even though I'm a huge Zeppelin fan, I have to
54:28
Speaker 2: say that is a bit of a slimy thing to do,
54:31
Speaker 2: just to rip off, you know, artists and not credit
54:34
Speaker 2: them and not pay them initially.
54:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, but of all these bands who tried and still
54:40
Speaker 1: try to sound like Lad Zepplin, there's only one zepp
54:43
Speaker 1: Man that was that's one of the most amazing bands.
54:46
Speaker 1: Those four guys what they could do.
54:48
Speaker 2: So you need you needed those four guys in the
54:50
Speaker 2: same room, similar to like you needed the original four
54:54
Speaker 2: Queen members in the same room. My personal opinion, you
54:57
Speaker 2: needed the four van Halen guys. You need Free van
55:00
Speaker 2: Hale excuse me, two van Halen's Michael Anthony and David
55:03
Speaker 2: Lee Roth in the same room.
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Speaker 1: There's just a magic there that you needed Jean.
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Speaker 2: Paul Ace and Peter in the same room. There's certain
55:11
Speaker 2: bands that for me, you needed certain certain members for
55:14
Speaker 2: it to really be to be magical.
55:16
Speaker 1: Look at what Robert playing. Well, really, all the guys Robert,
55:19
Speaker 1: Jimmy and John Paul Jones were basically, but Robert was
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Speaker 1: the guy who always would make it clear no Bonzo,
55:26
Speaker 1: no Zeppelin.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something else. No matter what you could say
55:30
Speaker 2: about I could have got to give him the highest high.
55:33
Speaker 2: I mean, that is integratively respectable to do that, because
55:37
Speaker 2: they could have made zillion zillions of dollars over the
55:40
Speaker 2: years just shamelessly going out as led Zeppelin. But just
55:43
Speaker 2: put his foot down and say no, I'm not going
55:45
Speaker 2: out his Led Zeppelin. That is really commendable.
55:47
Speaker 1: Integrity and follows his own heart artistically with what he
55:52
Speaker 1: does with his solo career, which I'm a big fan
55:53
Speaker 1: of what he does on his own. And I wish
55:55
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page did more. I always enjoyed listening to whatever
55:58
Speaker 1: he would do because just hearing him play guitar, and
56:00
Speaker 1: he's got an awesome style and the tone, and I
56:03
Speaker 1: would I just wish he did more. But but he
56:07
Speaker 1: has done a great job in carrying the legacy of
56:10
Speaker 1: LED's up and forward with all these reissues and box
56:13
Speaker 1: sets and live releases and you name it. I just
56:17
Speaker 1: wish that Van Halen did more of that. I wish,
56:19
Speaker 1: you know that, which maybe Alex is saying he's going
56:22
Speaker 1: through the vault and seeing what's in there, so.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm hoping one day we'll start getting
56:25
Speaker 2: box sets of like fair like Fair Warning sessions and
56:28
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
56:30
Speaker 1: And films of the concerts that they even soundboard release
56:36
Speaker 1: a show from every tour or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. And there's also, of course rumors that
56:41
Speaker 2: Chris Cornell recorded with them and all these other guys
56:44
Speaker 2: and Billy Shean was doing instrumental stuff that they never
56:48
Speaker 2: found a singer for in the late nineties, things like that.
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Speaker 1: I'd like, crazy crazy yeah. Man, all right, Greg, thanks man,
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon.
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Speaker 2: Bye bye.
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Speaker 1: That's it. It's in the box.
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Speaker 2: M