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Exorcism rates are going up! Our candid thoughts on exorcisms, possessions, channeling, & more · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Welcome back to Paranormal Lens, one of the last
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ones of the year, woohoo! Woohoo! You know, as
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we get near, you know, New Year's, towards 2026,
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a lot of people are thinking about resolutions,
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you know, and planning them for the year. I hear
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that a lot of people are wanting to exercise
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more, which is unsurprising, because I just saw
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an article that... From the Catholic Church,
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that exorcism rates are actually skyrocketing.
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And that makes sense anecdotally, because I know
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a lot of people want to go to the gym more. And,
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oh, wait, am I mixing up the two types of exercising?
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Oh, my God. I was wondering where you were going
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with that, with the resolutions. And then you
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said exercising, and I'm like, oh. Oh. We only
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made it to the end of the year, but I finally
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made Brianna laugh on this podcast. Yeah, that
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was a good one. No crickets needed. Taben's pissed
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off. We told him we're going to... Yeah, we were
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telling Taben on Facebook that we would start
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inserting cricket noises when no one laughed
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at jokes, and Brianna made a whole... um a whole
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a whole thing about how no one laughs at my jokes
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and that didn't age well hey i that one was a
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pretty good one so thank you thank you thank
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you um so we're talking about exorcisms yes really
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i didn't know thought we were talking about exercising
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yeah we are exorcisms exercising demons exercising
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demons what do you say angela exercising schisms
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i don't know what what's the topic welcome to
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our podcast where we take deep dives looking
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at various topics through a paranormal lens i'm
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kind of tired i'm gonna be honest and not fully
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here in my head um Please lead the way with the
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talking. Now, luckily, that's not one of the
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signs of demonic possession, according to the
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Catholic Church. There are signs. Yeah, yeah,
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I was reading some on that. Vomiting is one.
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Like in the movie. It doesn't have to be green,
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but it's... Oh, goodness. And then... Extraordinary
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strength. Or like abnormal strength. That would
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be really cool, actually. So if you want to get
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stronger, you go to the gym and you exercise?
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Yeah. Crickets. Mixing metaphors. That's going
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to be a recurring underlying bit, I guess, throughout
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this. unhuman ungodly super superhero level strength
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um like being an exorcist must be a dangerous
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job you must get thrown around a lot potentially
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i think so um speaking other languages is a less
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less dangerous indicator of a potential possession
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as well or but also really weird yeah Like someone
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you know your whole life who speaks English and
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you are in a place where it's only English. You
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didn't maybe took like one credit of Spanish
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in high school because that's required. And suddenly
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you start speaking Hebrew or Arabic or there
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was another language that was like on the list.
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latin um with no previous knowledge is kind of
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wild and let me tell you i feel like you're calling
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me out there i took one credit of spanish in
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high school and i can attest that in um eighth
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grade ninth grade uh one credit spanish classes
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they do not teach you arabic There's just no
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time in the curriculum for that. No. Especially
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being that it's Spanish. One. Especially. Yes.
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Spanish one. The most I know is no hablo espanol.
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I don't even know what that means. If you ever
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hear me speak in a different language, be concerned.
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Be concerned. I know sign language. but like
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language i can barely like speak english as it
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is i don't even know the basics of spanish i
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i know agua and i know uno and dos and tres and
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um i know how to say como estas but i don't know
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what that means como estas you added some extra
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letters in there Ben was speaking Spanish, just
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said a sentence. I was like, what did you say
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in French there? And I'm like, well, fuck there.
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Like, it's not a good situation. God, it makes
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me sound really stupid. I'm just not a language
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person. Says the person who's learning. ASL.
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Very ironic, isn't it? There's a difference between
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a spoken language and... I don't know. I feel
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like I don't have the dexterity to be able to
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sign. Arthritis? I just... Arthritis. I don't
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know, man. Sign language is easier than speaking
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at times, I swear. Yeah. You should be on a podcast.
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No, I'm good. I hate to break it to you. I really
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hate to do this. I'm sorry to say. How do we
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break the news? Just like that? Yep. Well, fuck.
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I guess I gotta leave now. No. I quit. We haven't
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finished talking about exercising. Alright. What's
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the other signs? I think another sign was like
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a very awful stench. I think that was one of
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them. Like rotten meat. People say rotten meat
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or rotten eggs or sulfur. um oh oh there was
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um there's another one i lost it but it's there's
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got to be these a good combination of a number
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of observable um signs because as i kind of alluded
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to at the top here uh i found this article from
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news week and it's a little data is from couple
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years ago 2022 but it is what it says stands
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true that uh here let me find some quotes here
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in 2018 a priest claimed that the demand for
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exorcist trained priests had tripled tripled
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in recent years so in 2018 the demand for exorcists
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tripled and they were allegedly in italy According
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to this Newsweek article, 500 ,000 exorcism requests
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per year coming in. And there was a survey done
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saying that some exorcists were getting 30 to
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50 cases a day, according to the Times of London.
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And there are currently almost 300 active exorcists
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in Italy. Yeah. The rates are skyrocketing. It's
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crazy. And and I know with that being said, I
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know I was reading some articles and I read an
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article that had interviewed a priest as well.
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And he was saying in a year he can he would see
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upwards of. A couple thousand potential possessed
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victims. And in the article, it said. Out of
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those. possessions quote -unquote maybe one to
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three of them were actual true possessions too
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and it was interesting because it went into depth
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into like how they determined it because not
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only did they like to start off with like there's
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always a request like oh i think this this person's
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possessed or i think i'm possessed or those sorts
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of things those pleas to the church and what
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the priest does in this sort of circumstance
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at least this was an American priest, so I'm
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not sure if it's different in Europe or elsewhere,
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but they sit down with the individual, with the
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priest, and with a psychologist, and one other
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person, and a healthcare professional. Yes, yeah.
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I forgot they usually have a psychiatrist. Yes,
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because... Most of the time, it is something
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more aligned with mental illness. And I saw that
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brought up in the article that you read, Ben,
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that the Catholic Church worked a lot with mental
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health professionals to be able to more able
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to recognize those who are suffering from mental
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illness. Because especially during COVID in 2020,
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it unfortunately became very prevalent because
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people were... trapped in their houses and apartments
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and pretty much going stir crazy and i think
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if i was alone during covid and was not able
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to go outside i probably would go crazy too honestly
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yeah if you were the only person living in one
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house or in an apartment didn't have anyone else
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i probably would go pretty crazy yeah yeah and
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and with uh you know mental health being as stigmatized
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as it is unfortunately a lot of people see very
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real you know uh depression and mental health
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situations that come out of mass isolation the
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anxiety around the pandemic and everything as
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like oh you're possessed yeah there's a demonic
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yeah yeah and i think there has been so much
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more progress in mental health but also like
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I feel like there's also been a overflowing amount
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of individuals who are suffering too, not because
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just COVID, but for what's going on in the world
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too right now, that I would understand why people,
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like why there would be an increased impossible.
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possessions like people thinking that they are
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possessed because they are suffering from some
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sort of mental illness just because there's so
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much going on in the world right now and people
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are having more symptoms of mental illness as
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well is it that people them like i don't i don't
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know much about how this stuff works but is it
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that most people claim that they are possessed
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themselves or is it like family and friends who
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are so it's it's both it's both yeah so um but
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then there is another another part um that i
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liked that the priest brought up in the article
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i was reading that even though that not everything
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is a possession there's three different kinds
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of possession and do you mind do you mind reading
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that quote for me ben because i can't pull it
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up And I thought that was super interesting because
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I had never heard of that before. Yeah, and this
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was a quote from a Catholic priest. And for anyone
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that's curious, we will have the links to full
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articles we're reading in the show notes. But
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this quote says, though cases of demonic possession
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are real, they're rare. That's a good point.
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Maybe one out of every 5 ,000 cases is demonic
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possession. There are three other types of extraordinary
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demonic activity. Demonic infestation, the presence
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of evil in a location or associated with an object.
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Then there's demonic vexation, which are physical
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attacks. And then demonic obsession, which are
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mental attacks. Yeah. So there's possession,
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which is like in the body. That's like the typical
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Hollywood like. Possessed? Yes. Like an exorcist.
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Literally. Then there's infestation, which is...
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Which is like a building or a thing that has
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a demonic attachment to it. I didn't know those
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would count as... So that's the thing. There
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are exorcisms for buildings and locations. I
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didn't know those counted. Yeah, that's the thing
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is, like, they count as possessions, kind of,
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but also at the same time, they aren't the same.
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But because of those sorts of interactions, the
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individual might believe that they themselves
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are possessed. Okay. So, like, say your house
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for some reason has some sort of demonic being
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in it, and it's attached to the house. And it's
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attacking you for whatever reason. I don't know.
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Or. There can be like. Some sort of demonic attachment.
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But that's not necessarily a possession. And
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I think that's what. That was the vexation. Is
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that what that was talking about? Yes. Vexation
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is just like. You don't even need to be possessed.
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The demon or whatever spirit it is. Doesn't have
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to be in you. Just attacks you. So that. That
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is different than what an exorcism might need
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to fix. So there's infestation, vexation, and
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then what was the other one? Demonic obsession
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is just like a mental attack. And I think what
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they're getting at is these are not all of these
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reports, even if it's real, even if there is
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a real entity that attacked you mentally or physically
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or is in the location you're at, doesn't require
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an exorcism because you are not. Possessed. Exactly.
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Yeah. And I thought that was really interesting
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because I had never heard those specific terms
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brought up like ever. But also I've never really
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looked into exorcisms before. I just know what
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they've shown on TVs and we hear about TV shows.
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I was also going to ask because you're well,
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first of all, like exorcisms, those are mainly
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for like the Catholic, right? Yeah. Okay, that's
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what I was going to ask. I didn't know if you
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would, I'm not Catholic, but I didn't know if
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you would know a little bit more, if that's something
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more that they teach you about since you are
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Catholic. It's not something that they necessarily
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teach us about. I don't, I'm not 100 % sure you
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have to be Catholic to have an exorcism, but
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I know when I was reading the priest's article.
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It mentioned something kind of funny but interesting.
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It was saying that removing the demon or the
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entity from an individual, so making them unpossessed,
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doing the exorcism, is the easy part. That isn't
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hard. It's the afterwards, which is the hard
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part, which is getting the person to understand
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that they need help and essentially saying that
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they need it. to welcome god into themselves
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to keep the demonic energy out so could make
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wouldn't make sense because i mean if they're
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not accepting themselves to christ and it's just
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gonna come back in well that's probably what
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they're thinking yeah exactly and yeah and like
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that is probably part of the reason why i'm like
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they probably It's more of, like, just a Catholic
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thing, because if you already have an establishment
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in the church, then, like, you already have a
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connection to be able to go back to and to not
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fall down the same hole again, essentially. Yeah.
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I don't know. I'm talking out of my ass. I mean,
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exorcisms are inherently, like, rooted in religion.
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Yeah. I mean, there's no exorcism without, like,
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just, like, bringing holy water just as, you
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know, to... boiled down to something very simple
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you know there's a lot more to exorcisms than
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holy water but just like as a visual everyone
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associates holy water with like exorcisms and
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um yeah which that is a good point so do we want
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to talk about how when we started paranormal
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stuff we started brie and i we met like eight
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years ago the paranormal club at msu michigan
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state university one of the largest paranormal
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clubs in the country but it is a paranormal club
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it's a school club at a university and it's very
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clear on the website on the facebook page we
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are a school club okay we're a bunch of college
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kids granted it's a bunch of kids there's like
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upwards of like 70 or 80 people in a club at
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any given time but this is we are just freshly
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out of high school we aren't even feel like we're
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fully adults yet haven't experienced adult life
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this is our first time being out in the world
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we were 18 at the time yeah we we and then like
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so and i turned 18 after like it wasn't an election
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year so we none of us have even like ever voted
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at the time yeah so like we're barely adults
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what does the voting have i'm just i'm just saying
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like i'm just saying like we haven't even voted
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like we're as like barely adult as you can get
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like we haven't done anything that can constitute
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as being an adult yeah and people would reach
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out all the time to a college club email and
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like we had an msu .edu email they would or through
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facebook or through facebook they would search
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and instead we are a college club it made it
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very clear they would either message us or send
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us an email asking 18 year olds and a college
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club to do an exorcism and we got some crazy
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stories really yeah i know It was like, I'm sorry.
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We are college students. This is kind of outside
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of our wheelhouse. Like, you should seek professional
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help. Honestly, though, if there's anyone who's
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asking for an exorcism and asking it through
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a college club for them to help, it probably,
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no offense if any of you guys have done that
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who's listening. You probably need some help.
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Mental health help, okay? I'm sorry. Yeah. But,
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like, that, what we were saying earlier, like,
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they're inherently, like, religious, too. Why
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would the first thought not go to, like, a church?
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And, like, we don't, not only were we 18, and
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that's a valid reason why we don't do exorcisms
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on someone's uh grandma you know five states
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away um wait so you've been having people like
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yeah i mean they're away at indiana they're indiana
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ohio people in the midwest um some severe severe
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cases and um it's it's just like we're not real
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we're 70 college kids we're not unified by any
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religion we don't You know what I mean? Like,
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we're not... Yeah. I remember I would still get
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Facebook DMs for, like, a long time. I mean,
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I still was a moderator on the Facebook page
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for a while. I recently gave that up because
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it was just so much. Because people were constantly
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messaging, like, hey, I have this thing going
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on. Or, like, hey, like, I feel like I have a
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demonic attachment. Or, it's like, I... This
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is a college club. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I
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stuck as moderator for a while just to see those
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DMs sometimes. I'm in. I still have access. No
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way. You're in right now? Yeah. Let's see if
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it'll let me. Okay. I'll keep scrolling here.
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Let's talk about something else and I'll try
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to see if I can find an example. Yeah, it's just
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really interesting. Even if you don't believe
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in possessions, I mean, there's some sort of
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supernatural stuff going on sometimes. Most of
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the time, Pearl... She could probably have things
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explained. When it comes to people saying that
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they're possessed or something, I guarantee there's
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something that's explanationable. The one thing
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I wanted to bring up, too, is on paranormal TV
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shows, too, when suddenly one of the investigators
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gets possessed, you can't really call call it
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a possession i feel like it's more of just a
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strong channeling channel yeah that's a good
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way to put it yeah that is sometimes people don't
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even realize that they're doing because they're
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opening themselves up they're ghost hunting they're
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wanting an interaction and so they accidentally
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start channeling something and don't realize
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it and some people don't have like realize that
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they have this connection to be able to channel
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so when something like that happens to them they're
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like oh my god i was possessed it's like no you're
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just no no honey okay i'm back i unfortunately
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uh unfortunately i only have access to messages
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for the past year so i can't find any of the
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good old ones uh but so we're talking about possessions
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now we went full 180 yeah kind of kind i mean
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kind of i mean all possessions can lead to exorcisms
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but not all Would you classify that all... Yeah,
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yeah. All exorcisms start with a possession.
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But not all possessions lead to exorcisms. Because
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you can be possessed by anything, not necessarily
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a demon. All exorcisms are inherently demonic
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because of religion. And not all possessions
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are actual possessions. Yeah, you can, as I was
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hearing you guys say, just be intensely channeling.
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did possession tape i i mean i think i was just
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severely channeling something you made it like
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you weren't actually like possessed no i mean
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channel like an like an outside person who's
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not familiar with the paranormal could look at
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that tape without any context like just just
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your tape of what happened and be like oh my
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god he totally got possessed oh 100 The wolves,
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the wolves, the wolves. We're in the paranormal.
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We understand what's going on. It's channeling.
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Let me ask you. There's an easy way to figure
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out. Was there a stench? No. No. Was I speaking
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Arabic? No. Did I have superhuman strength? No.
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I don't know. I wish. Oh, did I vomit on any
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of you? No. So I wasn't demonically possessed.
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That's from the Catholic viewpoint, though. Yeah,
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yeah. But, I mean, it's inherently religious,
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no matter what. I feel like you can't do exorcism
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without some sort of incorporation of spiritualism
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because one, you are trying to exorcise a demon
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and if you're believing in demons you're kind
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of believing in let's say hell or some sort of
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maybe darker place where evil energy comes from.
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And there has to be an opposite side to that,
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whether that's what you believe in as hell or
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God or some sort of higher power. So you have
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to have some sort of religious or spiritual influence
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to do an exorcism, whether it's through Catholicism
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or Judaism or Hinduism or... Whichever religion
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or spirituality you follow, there has to be some
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sort of incorporation of spiritualness. Because
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you have to have the good to replace the bad.
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But that's not all possession. You can be possessed
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by anyone or channel. I feel like there's more
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similarities and overlap with channeling and
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possession than there are possession in most
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exorcisms. potential cases that someone thinks
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they need an exorcism because like an exorcism
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has to be demonic or at least uh you know um
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affecting your spiritual out like spiritual warfare
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type of thing yeah you can channel or be like
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what's the fine line between channeling And being
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possessed. Because you don't need to be possessed
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by a demon. To be possessed. Any entity could
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theoretically possess you. I mean. I feel like
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possession. It kind of sticks. And is very hard
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to get unstuck from you. Like an attachment.
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Whereas channeling. You are more. Like. Side
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by side. For a few minutes. And then they part
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paths. So a possession, you would say, is more
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like it attaches to you, like it latches onto
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you, and a channeling is like you open the door.
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Is there an invitation involved? I feel like
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so with possession as well, there has to be some
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sort of invitation from you as well, from the
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individual as well, because I don't think that...
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I might be wrong, but I feel like even though
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we're talking about... evil spirits and evil
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energies and demons they feel like they still
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can't like attach unless there's some sort of
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welcomeness even if you're not realizing it like
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yeah so i feel like the welcoming for an attachment
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or possession is or like like what you were saying
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like possession or Attachment is unwelcome. Whereas
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channeling isn't. I feel like it's not. Exactly
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the same. I feel like. It's more of. A possession
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or attachment. Is sticky. And channeling. Is.
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Like water. Like. It's just going to flow off.
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I know what you mean. I like that. Especially
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because with water. there's ripples yeah we love
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them ripples um okay this might get a little
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deep but would you going back to like you're
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kind of saying like people there has to be some
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sort of invitation or welcoming whether they
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know it or not does it i don't think everyone
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would agree with that but that's what i'm saying
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does it have to be a Hi, I welcome spirits to
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possess me right now. Or do you think, and this
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could get very deep, but we were saying earlier
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like mental health and depression. Do you think
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there's a, if you're in a low state, right? And
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you're in a vulnerable state, do you think it's
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just, you're not intentionally calling out? In
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my opinion, possession and attachments, even
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if you are not. welcoming it. If you were in
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a downward state of mind, it couldn't just be
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as simple as, man, today sucks. My life sucks.
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It's terrible having a depressing moment. It
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could be as simple as that, where you're inviting
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in that negative energy because you're already
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feeling so negative. I mean, I think I don't
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agree with that. Okay. What's your view then?
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Do you think... Because I don't... There's a
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lot of depressed people out there who would be
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like, well, today sucks. I hate my life. All
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that type of shit. But they don't always get
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possessed. Oh, yeah. I think... I don't know
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how... there's other variables it's not like
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anyone yeah that's it's not like every time you
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cry um for each tear you shed a demon enters
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your body like there's not it's not if that was
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the case uh but i think i think uh going back
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to what we're saying before about how like when
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they evaluate if this is a legitimate case that
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a possession of warrants an exorcism they bring
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mental health advisors The first step should
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always be paying attention to your mental health
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and treating your mental health and prioritizing
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your mental health and your happiness and your
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well -being. And whether there's a demon or not
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inside of you, that will help, right? And if
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that does open yourself up to a potential attachment,
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well, staying vigilant about your mental health
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will. theoretically less than the chances of
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being in a vulnerable state. So it's a win -win
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just to be, you know, go to therapy, go, you
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know, take care of yourself. Like what's the
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harm in doing that? There is none. So take care
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of yourself, stay happy, stay healthy, do what
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you need to do to be the best version of yourself.
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And you might even prevent a possession or two.
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I don't even know if you... Yeah. I don't know.
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I'm just thinking about this. And it's just like,
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I don't even know if possessions are real. I
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don't even know if I necessarily believe them.
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If there is anything, maybe it's like what we
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were talking about, like deep channeling type
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of thing. If anything, maybe. But I mean, I bet
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there are cases where maybe like a spirit can
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like maybe fully taken over your body. Who knows?
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Maybe there are some types of spirits or entities
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that... can do that and maybe there's but i don't
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i don't know the fact that like they're saying
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that there's like thousands of cases for it and
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even though they said most of the time it's they're
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not like real or whatever it's other factors
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or whatever but even like those three out of
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a thousand is that what i said or something like
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that yes yes something like that then it's but
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even those i'm really like i highly doubt it
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i mean who knows maybe they have some sort of
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like attachment or there's something that's affecting
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them but i don't know if it's like a full -on
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possession you know it's scary it's good thought
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of possession is scary and i think that it's
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easier to say it's not real than to perhaps Think
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about the implications if it is. I feel like
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that's the same with any of the paranormal stuff
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in general anyways. Fair. I feel like if we believe
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in the paranormal and ghosts and UFOs or even
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cryptids, who's to say possessions aren't real?
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Whether it is just a minor amount, like one to
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three cases out of 5 ,000. I feel like you can't
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dismiss and say that they aren't real when there
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is so many experiences. And it's the same with
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ghost hunting and ghosts and the paranormal.
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We've done hundreds of investigations, and that's
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not hyperbole, over the course of eight years.
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And the closest we have ever been to witnessing
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a possession was an intense channeling session.
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that we had to make a whole short film about
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called The Possession Tapes after making a bunch
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of jokes about how we have this footage that
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people will look at and think is a possession.
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That wasn't a possession, no. Yeah, we made it
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clear it was intense channeling and very weird
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and very scary. If that's not a possession, a
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real possession, it's going to be very scary.
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considering how scary that intense channeling
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was um after a terrible ritual that the circle
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never got closed so like that's um i feel like
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we should come back to possessions um specifically
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in the future um i know we were kind of started
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in a place of exorcism so it's inevitable we
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talk about possessions themselves but any final
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thoughts about um exorcisms we're going to come
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back to possessions especially with possession
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tapes you know the short film being out it is
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canon now it's it's a thing the possession tapes
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are out yeah you're gonna come back to possessions
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but isn't that like basically what exorcisms
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are possessions like don't they go hand in hand
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they kind of go hand in hand that's why i wanted
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to bring up both of them well all exorcisms actually
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exorcisms are of possessed individuals i as we
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said before i don't think that all possessions
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are demonic uh they're definitely not all demonic
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and they don't all lead to exorcisms i feel like
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there's a lot more we can talk about about kind
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of what we kind of touched on about like mental
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health about um about uh you know being in this
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vulnerable state does that attract how do you
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attract how these entities find you do you have
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to find them not all most people that get possessed
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aren't looking to get possessed how does that
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happen um what does a possession look like if
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it's not a demonic possession that line between
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channeling and like there's so much we can talk
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about we will be coming back to i mean whenever
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we do episodes they're not like a definitive
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like this is the end of our conversation about
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this forever so we'll be coming back to possessions
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later is my whole point any final thoughts about
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exorcisms no okay not today not today satan not
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