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What's the Problem Here? · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in the vowels of the City that Never sleeps.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough, radio host with sailing medium.
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  Speaker 5: Ahead, everything you need to know about the top headlines
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  Speaker 5: of the day and a perspective that will give you
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  Speaker 5: some eternity to it. Plus practical tips for family life,
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  Speaker 5: spiritual life, and good old regular life. It's Kevin McCullough
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  Speaker 5: Monday through from on That Kevin Show and now from
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  Speaker 5: the Connors and Sullivan podcast studios. A man who is
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  Speaker 5: not what he wants to be.
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  Speaker 4: That is way grateful, that is not who he used
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  Speaker 1: Here all right, welcome Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you
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  Speaker 1: get you caught up on what's going on in the
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  Speaker 1: world of the world that you live in, the world
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  Speaker 1: that you deal with that you face. That's why we
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  Speaker 1: talk about spiritual things. That's why we talk about physical things. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about some wellness on a couple of different levels.
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  Speaker 1: We're even going to talk about AI today. If you
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  Speaker 1: are afraid of AI, if you're like me and think
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  Speaker 1: the robots are going to kill us, So I want
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  Speaker 1: you to stick around because we've got a very important
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  Speaker 1: conversation coming up with Eric Reid, who is one of
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  Speaker 1: the co founders, the three co founders of something called
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  Speaker 1: Dominion dot Chat. You've heard me talk about Dominion dot Chat.
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  Speaker 1: It is a biblically based AI chat service. Think of Claude,
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  Speaker 1: think of chat, GPT, think of some of these other
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  Speaker 6: This is this is.
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  Speaker 1: It does the same things that those devices do, but
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  Speaker 1: it instead comes at it from a from a biblical worldview,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's really really something to check out.
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  Speaker 1: Dominion dot Chat is where you go to see that.
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  Speaker 1: keV told me to call eight one seven, four four, nine,
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  Speaker 1: five five five seven eight one seven four four nine
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  Speaker 1: five five five seven. Now, because we are moving into
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  Speaker 1: what soon will be the Labor Day cycle, and then
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  Speaker 1: after that you're going to have the fall campaign, everything
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  Speaker 1: is getting more repped up as politics starts to become
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  Speaker 1: more in focus. And you'll notice I have not given
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  Speaker 1: a ton of coverage to the primary races, partially because
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  Speaker 1: some of these people running in the primaries are just
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  Speaker 1: crazy kooks, and I'm like, I don't want to give
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  Speaker 1: them any airtime. But once they become the nominee for
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  Speaker 1: their party's position, it's incumbent upon us to do a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more well. Here in New York, Democratic Governor
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  Speaker 1: Kathy Holkel has watched her lead in the Sienna University
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  Speaker 1: poll that was released today has seen her lead in
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  Speaker 1: likely voters dip to an all time low with under
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  Speaker 1: three months to go until election day, and at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the summer she was at fifty two percent,
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  Speaker 1: She's now at forty nine percent. And the Republican who
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  Speaker 1: not very many people know he is the Nassau County executive.
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  Speaker 1: He's head of Nasau County, Bruce Blakeman is his name.
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  Speaker 1: He's a great guy. When the whole trans boys in
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom things started, he immediately said not in Nassau County.
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  Speaker 1: And he saw to it that there was a standard
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  Speaker 1: pass where no boys were going to be in the
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  Speaker 1: girl's bathrooms. And he's just a real clear, common sense
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  Speaker 1: kind of guy in that respect. But he is the
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  Speaker 1: current executive of Assau County. And let me just walk
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  Speaker 1: you back through what happened four years ago when Kathy
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  Speaker 1: Hokel and Lee Zelden were running for the gubernatorial seat.
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  Speaker 1: Kathy Holkel led at this point in the race fifty
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  Speaker 1: three thirty nine. Blakeman also added, we know and she
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  Speaker 1: knows this rake is race is neck and neck. Kathy
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  Speaker 1: Hockel is desperate for people to believe that she is
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  Speaker 1: way ahead when she knows hot that her high taxes,
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  Speaker 1: soaring electric bills, increased crime have made her the worst
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  Speaker 1: government in America. The latest sea in a University poll
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  Speaker 1: was conducted between August third and sixth, eight hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eleven New York likely voters an overall margin of plus
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  Speaker 1: or minus four point six percentage points, So if he's
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  Speaker 1: down by ten in the poll, he could be down
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  Speaker 1: as little as five If the margin of AARs is
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  Speaker 1: four point six points, this is very interesting. The poll
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  Speaker 1: also found likely voters that believe Hoko will do a
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  Speaker 1: better job on making prices more affordable forty eight to
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  Speaker 1: forty one and increasing supply of affordable housing fifty one
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  Speaker 1: to thirty five. I don't know that Kathy Hokel has
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  Speaker 1: anything to do with either of those things, but she
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  Speaker 1: certainly hasn't been a positive force in those directions for
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  Speaker 1: the people of New York in recent years, so it'll
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see where that goes. Not surprisingly, both
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  Speaker 1: candidates are holding onto their partisan bases. Local leads among
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  Speaker 1: Democrats eighty to eight and Blakeman leads among Republicans eighty
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  Speaker 1: four to nine. Likely independent voters favor Blakeman by a
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  Speaker 1: narrow five point margin forty five to forty right now,
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  Speaker 1: so it's it's within reach. What what Blakeman has to
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  Speaker 1: do is he has to he has to do really
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  Speaker 1: well in the rest of the state outside the city,
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  Speaker 1: and then in the city he needs to hold Staten Island,
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  Speaker 1: and he needs to have a really strong push in
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  Speaker 1: some of the other boroughs. And if he can do that,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of the combination for how Republicans or Conservatives
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  Speaker 1: can win in New York. But it's good news for him.
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  Speaker 1: He's only down ten at this point and may only
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  Speaker 1: be down five based on the margin of air for
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  Speaker 1: the poll that they're looking at. Anyway, not going to
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  Speaker 1: bore you with a lot of politics every day, but
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  Speaker 1: I do find that encouraging. And I'm hopeful friends, those
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  Speaker 1: of you that are in New York State, I hope
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  Speaker 1: that you're going to plan on getting out and making
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  Speaker 1: sure that you voted on election Day and then tune
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  Speaker 1: in to Salem News Channel that night, because I'll be
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  Speaker 1: anchoring coverage as part of the lineup for Sale News
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  Speaker 1: Channel there in that first Tuesday of November, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: look forward to spending that eve needing together there. Cavin mccallough,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a lot to get too, straight ahead, don't
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere.
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  Speaker 7: Here.
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  Speaker 8: He is from New York exactly, Kevin, Kevin McCulloch.
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  Speaker 6: All right, welcome in, Kevin mccallaugh.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to have you with us. It's that Kevin Show.
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  Speaker 1: And here at the beginning of the broadcast each day,
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  Speaker 1: and not the very beginning, but here in segment two.
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  Speaker 1: We always take time to ask a big question before
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  Speaker 1: we go on to any of the new stories, any
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  Speaker 1: of the other things that are happening. We want to recalibrate
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  Speaker 1: our brain to ask ourselves, how do we live? How
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  Speaker 1: do we live in the day in which we exist?
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  Speaker 1: Where a culture may hate God, they may look at
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  Speaker 1: his word with great with great uh, you know, disdain,
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  Speaker 1: and they look at people that follow that God and
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  Speaker 1: read that Bible with even greater suspicion at best, and
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  Speaker 1: at worse, sometimes they're even hostile towards us. How do
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  Speaker 1: we live in the context of that? That's what we
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  Speaker 1: discuss here every weekday at the same time, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: so grateful to have different pastors from across the country
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  Speaker 1: weighing in on this and giving us some just everyday
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  Speaker 1: tips on how to pursue Him and how to live
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  Speaker 1: in that context. Dan Stratton is our pastor this week
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  Speaker 1: from Faith Exchange in Lower Manhattan. Dan, it's been a
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  Speaker 1: very good conversation thus far in First John chapter four,
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  Speaker 1: but we're getting a little bit further into the passage
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  Speaker 1: now and verses nineteen and twenty. What do those verses
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  Speaker 1: have to say?
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  Speaker 9: Well, Verses eighteen talks about there is no fear in love,
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  Speaker 9: and really think about that. So what you're talking about
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  Speaker 9: when we're talking about the people that reject the gospel,
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  Speaker 9: reject us, resist us.
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  Speaker 3: And all that stuff, we have to remind ourselves.
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  Speaker 9: As I like to say, my number one simple thought
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  Speaker 9: in my teachings for how the Body Christ comes together
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  Speaker 9: is we win. Let's play right. So it's like we
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  Speaker 9: start off with this playful attitude of knowing that we
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  Speaker 9: come from a place of victory.
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  Speaker 3: So when I share, like when I'm up with.
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  Speaker 9: My Yale buddies and they're up there and they're getting
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  Speaker 9: hammered by you know, secularists and atheists, and they're like, well,
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  Speaker 9: how do I bring my biblical viewpoint? I said, You've
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  Speaker 9: got to start with the fact that you're right. You
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  Speaker 9: got to start with the fact that what you believe
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  Speaker 9: is true, and that it's not only historically true, but
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  Speaker 9: it's just true practically in the earth.
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  Speaker 3: That love will always.
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  Speaker 9: Be victorious, That forgiveness is always the right way, that reconciliation.
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  Speaker 9: The other way is cancelation, disqualification, and even death. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: people want you to be just completely wiped off the board.
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  Speaker 9: And so when I witness to them, and they share
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  Speaker 9: that just relieves them so good. And so I actually,
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  Speaker 9: you know these are guys that you know high IQs
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  Speaker 9: have done well business. I say, just try this, emphasize,
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  Speaker 9: just say I'm right, I'm with you. See how that feels. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: it does, because it feels so good to know that.
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  Speaker 9: Because when you know that for sure, when you know
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  Speaker 9: that for sure, then it's so much easier to take
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  Speaker 9: the conflict of the criticism because you know your motives
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  Speaker 9: are pure. So that brings us back to first John
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  Speaker 9: Forward says, there's no fear when you're loving that person.
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  Speaker 9: That person, if they're your enemy, that that person, if
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  Speaker 9: they're your friend, that person is someone you're commanded by
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  Speaker 9: Jesus to love. So that brings you to a victorious
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  Speaker 9: place right from the jump. And perfected love cast out
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  Speaker 9: all fear. Now, some people think perfect love. I mean
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  Speaker 9: they're like, what are you talking about perfect? Nobody can
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  Speaker 9: be perfect. And I say that's true, but perfective love
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  Speaker 9: And you think about it in the sense of the
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  Speaker 9: English language, the perfect tense is.
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  Speaker 3: Now and forward.
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  Speaker 9: And so if I purpose us to love and be
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  Speaker 9: moving forward and to love the next person I meet
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  Speaker 9: and to love them is not just to you know,
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  Speaker 9: say nice things to them, to compliment them, but also
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  Speaker 9: to bring them the truth. And so when you do that,
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  Speaker 9: you're like, Okay, I'm going to purpose to love boom
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  Speaker 9: fears out of the question. And fear involves not only
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  Speaker 9: torment that you confront that other people bring, but the
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  Speaker 9: fear of what might happen the projected torment.
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  Speaker 3: Right, so I never take into it.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, I'm going to have a problem with my Yale buddies,
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  Speaker 9: with my Minnesota buddies, all my people who are out
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  Speaker 9: there telling me there is no God, because I know
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  Speaker 9: I'm right, but your fears has not been made perfect
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  Speaker 9: in love. And so if I feel that fear, then
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  Speaker 9: I know that I'm not looking forward. I'm not bringing
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  Speaker 9: the actual thermostats setting the tone, setting the environment of love,
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  Speaker 9: and I'm going to go in there. I'm going to
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  Speaker 9: love these people, even if though they disagree with me,
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  Speaker 9: even though they call me all sorts of names.
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  Speaker 3: But we love him first.
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  Speaker 9: Because he loved us, and once we focus on him,
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  Speaker 9: he's worthy of that love. That's where we practice, that's
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  Speaker 9: where we get it going. And then we go someone
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  Speaker 9: says I love God and hates his brother he is
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  Speaker 9: a liar. And so that's where all that projected stuff
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  Speaker 9: comes back to us. So we say, wow, I'm going
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  Speaker 9: to start with loving God. I'm going to start with
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  Speaker 9: we win, let's play. I'm going to start with We're
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  Speaker 9: all called to do something great, no one to do
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  Speaker 9: it alone, no such thing as a second class citizen.
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  Speaker 3: I refuse to be offended. I'm going to.
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  Speaker 9: Speak well of people. Now, I'm working through my Body
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  Speaker 9: of Christ principles. You know, how do I stay aligned?
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  Speaker 9: How do I stay out of fear and intrust? How
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  Speaker 9: do I stay in faith? So all that stuff works together,
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  Speaker 9: But it's all comes back to what we talked about
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  Speaker 9: Monday and Tuesday, which is choices, choices, And I'm choosing
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  Speaker 9: right now that I'm with Jesus, I'm with God that
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  Speaker 9: I'm right, and then I'm here to love people, reconcile them,
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  Speaker 9: and forgive them. So I just want to you know,
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  Speaker 9: preachers can preach, you know that right.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 1: And the text does something interesting here because in verse twenty,
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  Speaker 1: John writs, whoever claims to love God yet hates his
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  Speaker 1: brother is a liar, and then he repeats almost the
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  Speaker 1: exact same phrase a second time, meaning he really wants
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  Speaker 1: to draw attention to your mind on this. He then says,
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  Speaker 1: for whoever does not love their brother and sister whom
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  Speaker 1: they have seen, cannot love God whom they have not seen.
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  Speaker 1: So he kind of raises the stakes by repeating the
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  Speaker 1: same kind of instruction two times back to back.
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  Speaker 9: That's right, and that's why it's so important that we
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  Speaker 9: come together because today and today's age of all the
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  Speaker 9: Internet and all the different media sources that we have,
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  Speaker 9: if we're not actively loving our brother, we sit home
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  Speaker 9: and we say we love God, we're worshiping, we're not
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  Speaker 9: doing that, but we're not getting out. We're not going
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  Speaker 9: face to face. We don't have people on our minds.
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  Speaker 9: And so the idea is that and I always think
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  Speaker 9: of it like this. The largest Hebrew letter is the Lamette,
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  Speaker 9: and it connects heaven.
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  Speaker 3: To earth, and it's the letter of the heart. It's
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  Speaker 3: also the letter of the learning house.
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  Speaker 9: So that means your heart is going to get you
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  Speaker 9: got to put it out there a little bit, and
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  Speaker 9: occasionally you're going to learn something on that process because
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  Speaker 9: somebody is going to correct you, challenge you, what have you.
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  Speaker 9: But when you realize you must take what you learned
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  Speaker 9: spiritually and your love for God, and you need to
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  Speaker 9: test it and not in a sense in a bad way,
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  Speaker 9: but you need to put it to work, and you
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  Speaker 9: need to love people. So lately in my discipleship, I've
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  Speaker 9: just been saying, put some people on your mind. Who
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  Speaker 9: needs to get saved, who needs to get records out?
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  Speaker 9: Because you're carrying that power of forgiveness, you're carrying a
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  Speaker 9: shame free card. You're carrying a guilt and condemnation get
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  Speaker 9: out a jail card. So if you will recognize that
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  Speaker 9: most people are living in some level of self flagellation,
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  Speaker 9: some level of self condemnation, and you've got you've actually
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  Speaker 9: got the medicine for that. So instead of going out
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  Speaker 9: into the world and you know, and expecting conflict, you're like, Okay,
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  Speaker 9: they're going to come at you because hurting people hurt people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: but you've got the remedy for that, and so take
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  Speaker 9: it to them.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 1: And at times it does require a little bit of courage,
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  Speaker 1: which is why Psalm twenty seven tells us don't fear
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  Speaker 1: because God is with us, Be courageous, live courageously. But
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  Speaker 1: coupled with this passage in First John it's be courageous
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  Speaker 1: and live courageously with the love of God being the
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  Speaker 1: gas in the engine. I mean, that's really the whole
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  Speaker 1: ball of wax right there.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's right.
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  Speaker 9: I mean it's one thing to say, don't fear, but
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  Speaker 9: how do you get there? And so we always talk
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  Speaker 9: about that, and so you've got to you've got to
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: go into that we win.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Let's play. You got to start victorious.
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: Then you've got to realize you need other people, which
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: is can't do things. We're all called do great things,
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: can't do them alone. But then you can't allow yourself
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: to condescend. Oh, I have the word of God. I'm sorry,
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: even though I'm right, I'm here to serve, just like
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: Jays right right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's good that you pointed out too, that
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: we need to have people on our mind and heart.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I know that there's a short list in my mind
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: every time someone says, you know, who would you like
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: to see saved? Right now, I've got four or five
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: names that come to the four people have been praying for,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: people have been trying to spend time with witness too.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: So every day I send a text to about fifty
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: what I call.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: My Mighty men and every day.
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: And these guys are in Abu Dhabi, these guys are
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: in London. These guys are all over the world, and
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: they're business leaders and some are not some of our
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: just disciples that I've met along the way. But I
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: purposely send them probably about four paragraphs of how to
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: choose your choices, and I walk them through today, Let's
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: think about one aspect of the Holy of the Trinity.
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: Let's think about a question. Today would be what am
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: I thankful for? Would be the question, And I move
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: all the way through and then these lenses and I
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: walk through cycles of three, five, seven, all the way
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: up to the Hebrew letters, and today would be delle,
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: which is the letter of service or the open door.
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: And so it's so powerful when I send this to
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: these guys. But my purpose is to love them and
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: to give them a word in the moment of a
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: big decision that they're making, whether it's rarer. Some of
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: these guys are down in Washington dealing with radio frequencies
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: and drones and all this stuff. But the main purpose
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: is to get the Body of Christ into a place
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: where we're flowing together. Because going out and witnessing, going
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: out and touching the world. If you don't have a
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: touch point with a group or a community, then you
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: feel a little bit alone and you start second guessing yourself.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: And so that's where it is.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: That's so good.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: All right, Dan, We've got two more mornings together or
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: two more days together here at that Kevin Show. This
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: has been such a great conversation. Looking forward to tomorrow.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Brother, all right, thanks for calling. Always good.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: Kevin, coming right back.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, stick around for more of that Kevin next.
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: Here he is from New York. Kevin McCullough, Welcome back.
• 21:21
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  Speaker 1: all the things that AI does help you make your
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• 21:58
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of other things that AI touches
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  Speaker 1: on and when you're using Claude or Chat GPT, you're
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  Speaker 1: not getting a system that has been built around a
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• 22:23
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right, Kevin, and thank you so much for
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: having us on. Excited to be joining and partnering with you.
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: This really started over a year and a half ago
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  Speaker 11: with one of my other co founder who's a pastor.
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: He's also a head master of a classical school, came
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: to me and said, Hey, are you using AI in
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: any way and I said, yeah, I am. I'm you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: I'm finding opportunities to use it here and there different things.
• 23:14
  Speaker 11: And he said, okay, here's a quest. He said me too.
• 23:17
  Speaker 11: He said, I may ask you a question. Are you
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: concerned about Christians who are not as theologically versed and
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: biblically grounded as you just using any AI platform? And
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: it was the first time that I'd stopped and thought
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: about that question, And I said, yeah, honestly, I am.
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: We do a great job at my church really emphasizing
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: the importance of a biblical worldview. You know, discipleship is
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: about worldview formation, being biblically grounded in how we think
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: about all of life, knowing scripture, knowing scripture, understanding how
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: to deduce, you know, decision making when you don't have
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: an explicit chapter in verse by bringing the rest of
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: the Scripture in to inform you and give you wisdom.
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: We really feel like we do a great job at
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: that in my church. So I would say my church
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: members would be as inclined as anybody to be very discerning.
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: We call it having a good Bologney detector, right of
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: being able to discern truth or lie right. And yet
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: and yet when he asked that question. It made me realize, Man, yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: you know, it does concern me, because if you're just
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: trusting what this this AI machine is giving you, you
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: have to understand there is no such thing as neutrality.
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: So somebody has built in the assumptions, the presuppositions of
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: this tool, and it is informing what it feeds you back.
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: It's not just giving you, you know, neutral information. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: so yes, he came to me and he said, are
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: you concerned about that? I said, yeah, Actually, now that
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: you say that, that is concerning. He said, we need
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: to do something about it. And I was like, well, listen,
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: I don't know anything about building AI, but I do
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: know somebody in my church who that is what he does. Literally,
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: he went to Stanford, graduated with the engineering and a
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: long story short, we brought him in and that became
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: the three man founding team, myself, Coat and Brandon Maddick.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Well, and the result is a tool that is really phenomenal.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Truth is, we're already dealing with intelligence in this way.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But what what do you how do you think it
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: impacts in terms of the life of the believer. How
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: we should think about it?
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there's no escaping it as here tier to stay.
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: The feathers are out of the pillow and they have
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: blown across the world. They're not gonna You're not gonna
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: collect it back up and undo it. You're not gonna
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: rewind it. And here's the thing to think about. The
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: reason this is so controversial or divisive or such an
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: important conversation is if you think about technology and technological
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: advances throughout history, especially as we think post Enlightenment, as
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: we think post Industrial Revolution, we've been snowballing more and
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: more towards advance ments on the previous generations discoveries, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: we're really slow as a society to adopt some technology,
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: especially as Christians, we're slow to adopt. We get comfortable
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: with the old stuff and then we're skeptical about what's new,
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: and then it comes and then we embrace that. What's
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: different about AI is that it's not a technological advancement
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: in one industry. It's a technological advancement that touches every industry.
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: So it touches everything from art and creation of content
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: and storytelling like you just talked about with movies and
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: you know, writing things of that nature. It also gets
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: into the world of legal documents and contracts. It's going
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: to get into the world of coding and software, it's
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: already there. It's going to get into the world of
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: scientific and medical discoveries in terms of getting down at,
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: you know, the molecular level of how cells and DNA
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: operates and they're trying to figure out how to solve diseases.
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: It it just it touches everything. And that's why it's
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: such a transformative tool is that it's not simply a
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: tractor in the agricultural you know industry that's changing us
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: from horses and plows to tractors. It's a tool that's
• 27:16
  Speaker 11: touching everything. So here's the way that we talk about.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I want to get the rest of that response,
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  Speaker 1: but we've got to take a quick break because we
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  Speaker 6: Coming right back. It's Kevin mccollo.
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  Speaker 7: Here.
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: He is from New York, exact Kevin McCullough.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: Welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you with us.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Times Square is where we come from. Eric Read is
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: with us, and.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Eric, just before we went to break, I asked you
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: about how people of good conscience, it's not just Christians,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: but people that want to have integrity, should be thinking
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: about AI and how to kind of interact with it constructively.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: I know that for me.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I've got I've got friends, let's just say,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: in the musical industry. I've got Grammy winning friends that
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: live in Nashville. I've got church musician friends that live
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: here in the New York trist State area, and everything
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: along the way, you know, church leaders to professionals and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: everything else. Every one of them have a different opinion
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: about what AI is, and every one of them have
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: a strong opinion about what they believe about it. There's
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: almost no neutral ground on any of this. But I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was asking someone who was protesting it pretty hard a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I said, well, what's what's the deal,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And they say, well, it's disruptive technology and it's gonna
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: replace people. And I said, well, just in just music.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: For music, the pipe organ was a disruptive technology. It
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: replaced a symphony, an orchestra. Synthesizers were disruptive. They replaced
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: all kinds of things that you had to pull together
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to get those types of sounds to occur. Drum machines
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: could put artificial rhythms into songs.
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: That fractors replace people walking through fields, handpicking cross.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm saying now, yet there are more drummers
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: drumming than there have ever been drumming before drum machines
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: were invented. It's not always the case that disruptive technologlogies
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: eliminate former art forms, but sometimes they actually draw more
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of them out. Am I Am I wrong in understanding?
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: So, I mean, here's the thing. It's not it's not
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: totally wrong to say it's disruptive and it's going to
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: replace people.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Do in certain types, it will upside down some people, for.
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: Sure that and every technological advancement has done that. But
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: here's what it's also simultaneously done, which I think AI
• 30:26
  Speaker 11: is absolutely going to do. It also births new industries.
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: It births new opportunities. I mean, the truth of the
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: matter is when you think about music, Yeah, there are
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: AI apps right now that may replace studio musicians who
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: are going to cut demo tracks. For example, Right now,
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: they can put in what they want a demo to
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: sound like. They can take the instruments, put in the
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: chord structures, and it'll spit out that demo immediately. You
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: don't have to schedule studio time and pay drummers and
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: guitars to come in and do the demo. But it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: never going to replace the need for musicians. It's never
• 30:59
  Speaker 11: going to plays a band playing in front of an audience.
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: Nobody's going to show up and listen to an AI
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: track because here's the deal. We don't want to show
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: up and just listen to them play on the CD.
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: We want to see the actual musicians. That's never going
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: to change, but it is going to be disruptive in that. Yeah,
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: there may be less people doing certain types of things
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: that they used to do. There may be less coders,
• 31:20
  Speaker 11: but it doesn't mean there's not going to be more
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: people involved in different aspects of what used to be
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: software development or whatever. So this is what I would
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: say I would say the way that we need to
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: think about this, there are ethical implications around the way
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: I think AI can be leveraged as a tool that
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: can help us to be creative. It should not be
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: something we outsource our creativity to. It should be something
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: that we can use to enhance our writing or our
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: strategic thinking. But we should never give over our ability
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: to write or strategically think. So it's using it as
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: a tool, it's not using it as a crutch to
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: replace human you know, involvement, human intelleg So I think
• 32:03
  Speaker 11: there's some fond lines there.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's important for us to think clearly about
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: this and that technology has been consistently replacing itself you
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: mentioned for many centuries. I mean the day after that
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Ford brought out the Model T buggy and wagon producers
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: started losing business. It was inevitable. And yet you still
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: have people that make buggies and wagons now for different purposes,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: but it's not on the scale that it was before.
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: There's also the Ford manufacturing plant today uses more robotics
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: to create and assemble vehicles, but there's still human beings
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: that are overseeing watching, there's quality maintenance inspections, so again,
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: it just changes things. It doesn't necessarily altogether replace well.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think is important.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: A number of years ago, IBM had Watson. Watson was
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: kind of like the first kind of learning intelligence AI
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: kind of thing that the public was aware of. There
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: were others that were in research prior to that, but
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: that was the first one that the public kind of noticed.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: He went on Jeopardy, spanked Ken Jennings, you know, just beat.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: Him to death.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: But they also enrolled Watson into a medical residency in
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the University of North Carolina Medical System and within less
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: than a year's time, it took in something like a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: million pages of research a day and was involved in
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: being a backup diagnosis for real doctor medicine. So if
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: doctors felt conflicted about symptoms that they would see or
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a cancer that had a certain approach to it, they
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: would go to Watson and they would say, here's all
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the data, am I am I thinking about this correctly
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and it would confirm or it would find some obscure
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: thing from you know, a handful of cases that was
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: not widely reported but were in the record.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: And said, but it might be this. Yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: So one of the things I would take us all
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: the way back to Genesis one and be reminded. You know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: we were made in God's image and were given the
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: cultural mandate or the dominion. We're told to be to
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: be fruitful and multiply subdue the earth fill it. We
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: are creators, we are vice regents of God on the earth.
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: We're to make and to cultivate. And part of that
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: is the human ingenuity to develop tools and to cultivate
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: until the earth, to create societies and bring flourishing to
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: the world. And so we're all the way downstream from
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: that original thing in technology. And this is what I
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: would say. We don't want to simply receive any technology
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: that's made and uncritically just adopt it. We also don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: as Christians, want to just reject any technology and just say, oh,
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: that's the devil. We can't use this technology as different.
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: I think as Christians we need to be thinking rightly
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: and see how can we redeem this? And the story
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: you just told is a perfect picture of using and
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: leveraging tools, redeeming tools rather than rejecting the tool or
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: just receiving it and outsourcing the doctors.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: It's a redemption of the tool.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Date for us to think still exists, and we've got
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: to be discerning in all of it. Eric Reid from
• 35:05
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• 35:13
  Speaker 1: for yourself.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: If you used other AI.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Tools, compare it to them and see the difference, ask
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it a theological question and ask claud or chat Gpt
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the same thing. But test it out, give it, give
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it a shot, and take what do you have to lose.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: AI is going to be here. You want to have
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: something that's good for your family that you can trust
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the worldview on, and you can, you know, with reasonable understanding, say,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: my children are going to have a better experience with
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: this than they would in the whatever they're served on
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the other ones.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: Eric Reed, thank you for being with us.
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: Oh, thank you so much.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: You got it.
• 35:46
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  Speaker 8: On, let's stick around for more of that.
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: Kevin next, serving it up with a no drenth mental.
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: It's that cabinet show.
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: Experience for everybody asked me that question, and you know
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: that the law's very strong on that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: I'd love to run, but the law is very strong.
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: I get asked by every well even tonight.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: They're streaming at the event eight.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Now, everybody wants me to do it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: But the law is very strong.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: It's interesting, welcome back, it's Kevin McCullough. It's that Kevin show.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: It is very interesting. It's very funny that these reporters
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: still ask this president, or are you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: Going to run a third term?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows that that's not what the law allows. And
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you hear you hear the President say that the law
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: is very strong.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: It's not.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: It's not something that is conceivable. They've come up with
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: all these conspiracy theories of how he could possibly, you know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: maybe have jd. Vance run at the top of the
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: ticket and name him as the VP and then resign
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: once they get in to office, and the sort of thing.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: It's just it's utterly, fantastically ridiculous that people are still
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: caught up in this, and yet I have this feeling
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that mister Trump thinks it's kind of funny and he
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: likes to kind of play a little bit of a
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: game with him. I guess at the Correspondence dinner this year,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: not the one where the guy tried to assassinate him.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: But the one they made up after I think that
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: he broke out a joke about, you know how being
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: there the second time has been so good and so efficient,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: he's gotten so much done, and he said something about it,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and just wait until the third and you heard like little,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you know, shrieks go up from like the ms now
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: table and the CNN table and some of those things. Friends,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: It is not going to happen. The president knows that
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: he is not supposed to be in office for more
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: than two terms, and nobody can be named vice president
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that is not eligible to be president. So even if
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the JD Vance conspiracy theory was true, it couldn't happen.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And don't believe for a second that if he even
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you know, teased about doing it in a remotely serious way,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be lawsuits flying back and forth like
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe trying to stop him from doing it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It would scare the living daylights out of the hard progressive, Marxist, socialist,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: radical Islamic left that is in this country right now.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: And he's, you know, he's he has done a really
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: fantastic job for his two terms. And when he gets
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to the point in a couple of years where he
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: says his final goodbyas president. He's going to have earned
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: it because every day he's giving everything he has to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the job. He's giving everything he has to what's going on,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and I just I'm grateful for him. Hey, it is Wednesday,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk wellness as we do on Wednesdays,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and I want to ask you something. Have you ever
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: gotten sick and thought, you know, I probably need to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: see a doctor, And then the first thing that goes
• 39:14
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• 39:16
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• 39:17
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• 40:31
  Speaker 1: when we do come back in our two, I've I've
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: got a bone to pick with these people that are
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: upset about the President and his guidance on.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: Vaccines from yesterday. Don't go anywhere.
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• 40:56
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• 41:13
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• 41:15
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• 41:41
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• 42:02
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• 42:08
  Speaker 10: Here, all right, Kelvin McCollough, glad you're with us.
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  Speaker 1: It is well, it's Wednesday, and on Wednesday we like
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to do something special. We like to focus on wellness
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and wellness related issues and those types of things that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: impact your life in that way. We are not, you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: twenty four to seven just the politics x's and o's.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: There's a lot more to life than just that. But
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: we are getting into the election cycle, especially after Labor Day,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: and we will be shifting our focus to really highlight
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: what is at stake in the elections and how you
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: can make the best choice. We want to give you
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the best information so that you can make.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: The best choices.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But before we have doctor Monique Johannen joining us in
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the com moments, I want to weigh in on something
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that happened yesterday with the President because I have some
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: questions and I would genuinely like some honest answers because
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: right now nobody seems to be offering any that hold up,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and that's that's disturbing. This week, President Trump signed an
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: executive order reshaping the childhood vaccine schedule, and he what
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: he suggested was trim the number of recommended shots, split
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the MMR vaccine into three separate doses instead of one
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: combined injection, and direct more federal research into causes of autism.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Within hours, the predictable chorus arrived. Anonymous public health sources
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: quoted in wire reports, unnamed officials whispering to reporters, advocacy
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: groups warning that the sky is falling. A public citizen
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: spokesman called it a mindless, anti scientific assault. A mindless
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: anti scientific What did he do? He recommended splitting the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: MMR vaccine into three doses instead of one. He recommended
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: trimming the number of shots, but keeping all of them
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that are proven to help protect public health. And he
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: wants the federal research to look into the causes of
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: autism a little more closely. Advocacy groups on the pro
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: vax side just went nuts. But here's my actual question,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: and I ask it in good faith. What is the problem.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Is it that spacing out vaccines poses some sort of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: documented catastrophic risk to children? Because I'll tell you a
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: little behind the scenes story that happened yesterday. We now
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: are the proud adopted family of these two new kittens.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: We took them to the VET so that we could
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: get their shots properly done. And at the VET they
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: have a series of vaccinations that they push on you
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and that they recommend, and they offered us an option
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: get them all at once, or space them out a
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: little bit and maybe not have the animal be quite
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: so miserable. Now, nobody at the veterinary clinic accused us
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: of anti science assault because we asked for a scheduling
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: option about the kittens immune system. So why is the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: same basic question being asked about a human infants immune
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: system treated as an act of civilizational sabotage. Here's what
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I want to know, is the concern that splitting the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: MMR into three shots instead of one somehow reduces its effectiveness?
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: Does it?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Because the research I've seen shows that it doesn't. And
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: if so, that's a specific, testable claim, and I'd like
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: to see some specificity being argued rather than gestured at
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: anonymously by people saying this is dangerous. It's a talking point.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: When it's done that way, it's not a valid point
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: of science. Or is the real objection something simpler, far
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: less noble than public health?
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: Is it?
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: These officials, some of whom built entire careers on being unquestioned,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: cannot stomach a White House that keeps asking us asking
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: them to show their work, because I think that's totally fair.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: How'd you arrive at that conclusion? Okay, that's what you're
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: telling us, But how did you get there? And let's
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: talk about trust, since that's really what's at the center
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: of all this. The same public health establishment now warning
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: us breathlessly about misinformation spent twenty twenty through twenty twenty two,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: telling us cloth masks worked, then they didn't, then they
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: sort of did, depending on the fabric. They told us
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: natural immunity from prior infection meant nothing, a claim later
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: walked back by their own agencies. They shut down playgrounds
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: while keeping liquor stores open. They kept children out of
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: classrooms for over a year in some cities, a decision
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: now linked by their own researchers to significant learning loss
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and mental health harm that will find allow an entire
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: generation for decades. And they did it all under the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: banner of the science, delivered with such absolute mocking certainty
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: that anyone who asked a clarifying question got labeled as
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: a threat to public health. So if that's the case,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: forgive me, and forgive the parents across this country. If
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: we're not exactly rushing back to Genufleck before the same
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: anonymous voices asking us to trust them unconditionally, again, this
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: time about a vaccine schedule that a great many pediatricians
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: in other developed countries already handled differently without incident. And
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I want to be fair here because fairness matters even
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: when frustration is evident. There's a real, legitimate scientific consensus
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: that vaccines themselves do not cause autism. I've seen the studies,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: multiple large studies support that conclusion. If the executive order
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: over sells a link that the research doesn't support, that's
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: worth plainly stating, and some serious critics have said that.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: But there's a wide gulf between the data doesn't support
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a vaccine autism causal link, and no parent may ever
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: ask a question without being treated as a public menace
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. Most of what's actually in this order,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: fewer total shots, more spacing, more parental input, isn't a
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: rejection of vaccines. It's a rejection of one size fits
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: all mandate delivered from on high by people who've forgotten
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that they work for us.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: If public health.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Officials have a real, specific, evidence based objection to any
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: particular piece of disorder, I'm all ears, as are most
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: of the parents that I know. But say it with
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: your name attached, show the data, make the argument in daylight.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: What we don't owe anyone, not after the last five years,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: is blind deference dressed up as science, delivered anonymously from
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the same institutions that got so much wrong and never
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: once had to say sorry out loud. Friends, that's not pessimism.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: That's just paying attention, and that's what they pay me
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to do. So if it's if it's just guidance and
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: not law, you don't have to follow it. You can
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: still get your child shot up with all the shots
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you want. This is for the parents who are thinking,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: who are more informed, who have genuine questions about some
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: of the vaccines. They just want to know if it
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: is safe, if it is what should be being done.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: And now all that the President has done is say yeah,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: you can ask the question and it's okay. Now all
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: that being said, I'm going to ask doctor Monique Johnnon
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: about this because and I want to know her thoughts,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: not only on this, because this does feel very heavy
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: handed from the people pushing back against Trump.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: No, you have to keep the schedule in play.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Well, what if the schedule doesn't work for your kid,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: what if you have autoimmune issues can't handle you know,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: four or five shots powerful shots at one time on
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: one day. I think it's worth, you know, asking the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: questions over So I will, and I'm going to ask
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: her about Anthony Fauci, which as a medical researcher and
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: practitioner herself, I'm sure she has thoughts. We're starting to
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: find out more and more of some of the things
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: he said that he thought would never be revealed.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: Those things have been fun.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And I say that sarcastically because the fun of yesterday's
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: texts being revealed is that perhaps millions of children were
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: miscarried they didn't need to be, and the pain that
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: that brought to the mom and the family and everybody
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: else truly truly vile to never say you're sorry for
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: any other Calvin mccallough, glad you're with us.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: We've got a big hour straight.
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: Ahead here he is of New York.
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: That Kevin mccullor, welcome back.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: It's that Kevin Show, that kevinshow dot com. And on
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Wednesdays we talk about things related to wellness health, sometimes nutrition,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: sometimes fitness, sometimes breakthroughs in drugs or surgeries or other things.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: But we have a robust conversation and really really glad
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: to have people like doctor Monique Johannon rejoin us from
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the Independent Women's Forum, who is really plugged in on
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: all things related to health policy and has been not
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: only a very steeped practitioner in her specialty in general practice,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: but also now on the policy end of things. Arguing
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: for policies from the Independent Women's Forum platform and doctor Johannan,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: thank you again for the warm reception at the gala
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: earlier this year. You and the rest of the Independent
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Women welcomed us with open arms, and we had a
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: great broadcast and great discussion. There's a lot to talk
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: with you about this week. And before I get into
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: what I opened the hour with, which was kind of
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: maddening all on its own, I want to go to
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: something that I was talking about yesterday actually, and that
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: is this kind of incredible revelation. Now we've had three
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: United States Senators basically say there's much more to what
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: mister Fauci has not told the people than what he
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: had originally led us to believe, basically lied to Congress
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: under oath about and then when he has the opportunity
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to come back and explain those things just a couple
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, one hundred and eleven times taking the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment against incriminating himself. There's a lot of kind
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of needles in the haystack. But what's the thing that
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: has you most you know, observant or concerned about where
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: we are.
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: With him right now?
• 52:55
  Speaker 13: So Kevin, thank you so much for having me. What
• 52:58
  Speaker 13: I will say, my passion for this for this area
• 53:01
  Speaker 13: comes from the summer of twenty twenty when I wrote
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: COVID guidelines, and I can see at that time that
• 53:08
  Speaker 13: the evidence that he was purporting really wasn't there. The
• 53:12
  Speaker 13: evidence that I saw said something very different, and so
• 53:17
  Speaker 13: I feel like I've had six years of a front
• 53:19
  Speaker 13: row seat to this where the level of arrogance When
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: I look at this that as a physician, as somebody
• 53:27
  Speaker 13: who is formally trained in public health, the idea that
• 53:32
  Speaker 13: we could take away school and work and force people
• 53:36
  Speaker 13: into compliance. That is offensive to me as a physician,
• 53:40
  Speaker 13: But as a mom, I am furious still. I will
• 53:43
  Speaker 13: never get over how angry I am about the way
• 53:47
  Speaker 13: that he and the rest of public health leadership, what
• 53:51
  Speaker 13: they did during COVID was so unacceptable. The repercussions we
• 53:54
  Speaker 13: are still feeling, and I just I look at, for example,
• 53:59
  Speaker 13: the way the people are doubling down the measles outbreak.
• 54:03
  Speaker 13: This is something that he should take full accountability for.
• 54:07
  Speaker 13: He's the one who shut down schools, which is where
• 54:10
  Speaker 13: kids are getting vaccine. He's the one who broke trust
• 54:13
  Speaker 13: the kids who were getting sick now these are the
• 54:15
  Speaker 13: kids who during the Biden administration didn't get vaccinated for
• 54:19
  Speaker 13: a lot of different reasons. He has blood on his hands.
• 54:22
  Speaker 13: That's how I look at it.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Well, specifically, and we're talking about this week. Senator Johnson
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: pointed out that when a series of texts were revealed
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: in a twenty four hour period, he goes from having
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: a public facing statement about women in different stages of
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: pregnancy had essentially nothing to worry about getting the vaccine,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: had essentially no concerns whatsoever. Even in the aftermath of
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: the study that he tried to cite, there were I
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: think eight hundred and twenty seven cases of ladies that
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: were pregnant that they gave the vaccine two and there
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: were one hundred and four that miscarried. And so they said, well,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that's twelve percent. That's higher than what we would like,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: but it's acceptable. It was only that we just found
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: out this week of the one hundred and four that miscarried,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: all one hundred and four were vaccinated in the first
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: or second trimester of the pregnancy. When the debate at
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the time was is it better to vaccinate at the
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: beginning of the pregnancy or towards the end of the pregnancy,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: and he essentially argued, it doesn't matter. There is zero difference.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: One hundred and four out of one hundred and twenty
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: seven that were vaccinated at the beginning of the pregnancy,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: one hundred and four of them miscarried. That's an eighty
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: two percent failure rate as opposed to twelve percent. And
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: yet the number that the public was given was twelve percent,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: which is still too high as far as I'm concerned.
• 55:52
  Speaker 13: You know, I think the thing is is that there
• 55:54
  Speaker 13: are some people. I try to grant people grace, Kevin,
• 55:57
  Speaker 13: I just do. I try, But this one it's hard
• 56:00
  Speaker 13: for me to do that. This is not that we
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: did not have evidence at the time. We had evidence
• 56:07
  Speaker 13: that was.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Well, and he says in his own text to Volenski
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and the others that night that's six hours later, it's
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: likely that this is leading to miscarriage.
• 56:17
  Speaker 13: We had evidence at the time that pregnant women were
• 56:21
  Speaker 13: not at risk in the way that he was describing.
• 56:24
  Speaker 13: We had evidence at the time that kids were not
• 56:27
  Speaker 13: at risk. And he decided in his power grab that
• 56:31
  Speaker 13: he was going to push this on everybody. There were
• 56:34
  Speaker 13: real concerns that were in the literature. There were real
• 56:37
  Speaker 13: concerns that now we actually know officially he's we see
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: what he was admitting to privately, which is what the
• 56:45
  Speaker 13: evidence said. This was not a lack of evidence, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 13: people who say it was simply either didn't read the
• 56:51
  Speaker 13: literature or they ignored it. So I don't know if
• 56:54
  Speaker 13: his problem was that he was ignorant or that he
• 56:58
  Speaker 13: was just willfully ignoring what he knew, but it's just unacceptable.
• 57:04
  Speaker 13: And so there were so many concerns about the vaccine
• 57:08
  Speaker 13: and the reality is it to the extent that anybody
• 57:13
  Speaker 13: needed it. It should have been focused, It should and
• 57:15
  Speaker 13: we had the evidence for who was going to benefit.
• 57:18
  Speaker 13: But the idea that we could shut down the world
• 57:21
  Speaker 13: and put people who were not at risk in harm's way,
• 57:25
  Speaker 13: this is just unconscionable.
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: Well, and it was.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Since the pandemic's been more or less concluded, it's been
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: a slow drip of revelations, but we found out that
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: basically everything he advised us on was faulty. Masks were
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: not effective. Social distancing was a pure, made up, imaginary
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: thing that nobody had ever done before, and it didn't
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: have any impact at all. Shutting down the schools, taking
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: kids completely out of their normal routines. And I think
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: you were referring to this what would would have been
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: heard immunity and having you know, kids getting sick, you know,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: with the cold and everything else, they boost their immune
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: systems through that contact. We did all of that, and
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: that doesn't even then begin to speak to the mental delays,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the developmental delays that kids got through that year and
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: a half when they were really really out of the loop,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: and then trying to come back in the couple of
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: years following that. I mean, I had a daughter who
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: had perfect diction, no speech impediments, zero problems going into
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, and during the pandemic she developed a slight stutter.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And during the pandemic she's supposedly, you know, being met
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: with the speech counselor via zoom, where you know, you
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: can't if you're wearing a mask and you're on zoom,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: and all kinds of there's all kinds of other problems,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: And that would have never happened had she had stayed
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the course of where she had been. And you talk
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: about being infuriated, I think every parent in America. But
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: the problem with the miscarriage thing and this takes me
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: back to yesterday.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: We have no idea.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Just in their study, we know one hundred and four
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: babies miscarried. We have no idea the real cost of
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: that nation wide, do we?
• 59:06
  Speaker 13: I think the harms from this. The thing about the
• 59:10
  Speaker 13: mRNA vaccine is you can get it up to speed
• 59:13
  Speaker 13: really quickly if you're in an emergency. It's good in
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: the sense that you can get it out quickly, but
• 59:19
  Speaker 13: it really has such a massive impact on the immune system,
• 59:24
  Speaker 13: the blood clots, the things that we know happen with
• 59:27
  Speaker 13: this kind of vaccine that to the extent that we're
• 59:31
  Speaker 13: going to think about it at all, I think that
• 59:35
  Speaker 13: we need to be very careful about how we approach it.
• 59:38
  Speaker 13: You're right that it's the tip of the iceberg, and
• 59:41
  Speaker 13: I frankly do not I accept that my colleagues and
• 59:44
  Speaker 13: the medical profession are ever going to truly publish all
• 59:48
  Speaker 13: of the findings. There is a selective publication bias. The
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: things that we have seen, those are the things people
• 59:55
  Speaker 13: were willing to publish, and the medical profession is overwhelmingly
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 13: still in lockstep with them. My profession doesn't get it,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 13: and the damage that he has done to my profession.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 13: I cannot overstate it. If we are ever going to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 13: get back to her immunity, if we are ever going
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 13: to get back to public trust. You know, I've given
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 13: up on him ever saying he was sorry, ever apologizing,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 13: having anybody take any accountability. But they do have to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 13: understand there's a consequence for that. People have information now
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 13: and people will find places where the people are willing
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 13: to be straightforward, people are willing to do real shared
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: decision making. The kind of arrogance, the kind of lack
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 13: of accountability he approached. I just think those days are
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 13: over and my profession can continue to support him at
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 13: their peril.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and at the destruction of the public trust completely.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: If we were to have another pandemic breakout today, nobody
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: would listen to what the federal government had to say.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: And we don't even have the same administration there. Like,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: We've actually got good people serving in a lot of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: those positions now, but the trust is that damaged. And
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: when you look at his history during the AIDS pandemic,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: during the COVID pandemic, you have someone who pursued vaccines
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: with like obsessed passion at the expense of therapeutics. When
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: therapeutics could have saved lives, and therapeutics did save lives
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: in the limited places where they were allowed access, Overwhelmingly
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: there was a different outcome. Okay, we're speaking with doctor
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Monikohannon and I'm so glad she's here. We've got something
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: else I want to talk about when we come back,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Kevin McCalla taking a look at wellness.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: Don't go out.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 12: Let's stick around for more of than Kevin next time.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 8: Here he is from New York. That Kevin McCullough.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Kevin McCullough. Glad to have you with us
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: as we take a look.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: At the news of the week.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we look at what's going on in health, and
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: doctor moniqu Johnna is back with us and doctor Johannan.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: This week, President Trump made a recommendation. It wasn't a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: lawful anything that anybody has to enforce, but gave guidance
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: the administration did on maybe trying vaccines a little different
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: in kids.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: If we had a blank slate and there was no
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: problem with any recent history of vaccines being really bad
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: in some instances and being handled poorly, there might not
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: be an issue about this at all. But of course
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: everything's now become so completely polarized. And I think one
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: of the reasons that the Trump administration was swept into
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: office by the landslide that it was in twenty twenty
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: four was because with RK. Junior and at least a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: modicum of metal professionals that maintained their independence, like Marty
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: McCay and some others who said, hey, listen, we're actually
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: going to look at stuff with fresh eyes going forward.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: And that's what the President has asked the major health
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: industry to do, is to take a look at how
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: we administer these vaccines for kids. And I just have
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: to say, I don't understand the pushback from the other
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: side when what Trump says is not it's not like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: a law. There's not people aren't being forced, not a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: mandate like some things that we had to deal with
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: in recent years where we were mandated to do certain things.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: He's saying, hey, if you want to offer the option
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: of breaking up your kid's vaccines so you don't have
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff clustering in their body at the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: same time and the little immune system trying to figure
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: it all out and respond the way it's supposed to respond.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: He's now giving guidance that that's okay to do, and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: you just spread it out a little bit further. Now,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think when I was a kid, and I'm
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: fifty six, I don't think when I was a kid
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: that we had as many vaccines as we do now.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: But I know that they didn't jack them all up
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: into one big shot and give them to me all
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: at once. And I know that our pediatrician was already
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: kind of going down this path when we had our
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: three kids, and she said, I don't really believe in
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: giving the vaccines all at once. I think it's it's
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: better healthier for the child to spread it out, give
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit of time to respond to each one,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: et cetera. So I guess my question to use, and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I wrote this at town Hall. What's the big deal?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: What's the problem with the president saying, let's look at
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: this with fresh eyes, let's maybe examine some science that
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: maybe has been, like, you know, not been allowed to
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: be part of the conversation on some of this stuff.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 13: So, Kevin, I agree with you completely, and it is
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 13: baffling to me that this is controversial. So let's talk
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 13: about what the president recommended. So eleven vaccines in the schedule.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 13: It's not a teeny tiny schedule. Still eleven so measles,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 13: MOMPS and rebella still in the schedule, Diptheria, tennis protessis
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 13: still in the schedule, polio, vericella. You look at the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 13: vaccines that are about community protection, all of them are
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 13: still in the schedule. Now for vaccines that are for
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 13: diseases that are much less common. So hepatitis B is
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 13: present in less than one percent of pregnant women, so
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 13: shared decision making targeted care for them. In terms of
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 13: you're right, the entire schedule. What we have the pediatric
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 13: schedule for vaccines now, it's based on an era of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 13: paper charts, and in paper charts, when people didn't have
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 13: cell phones, when there weren't electronic medical records, it was easier.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 13: It's an administrative schedule. It is not a schedule based
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 13: in biology. If you're looking at biology, then right now,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 13: first of all, ninety seven percent of parents are going
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 13: to have a cell phone. You have a letronic records.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 13: You can target people who you think are at risk.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 13: We have lots of consolidation. There are lots of ways
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 13: that you can do outreach. I know that there are
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 13: doctors who would like administrative simplicity. It's a little more complicated,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 13: but a little more complicated in a way that it
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 13: is respectful to parent choice. That's a fair trade off.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 13: As for splitting up vaccines, there's no magic to giving
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 13: the vaccine shot, the measles, mumps, and rebella all at
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 13: one time. I think most kids do fine with it,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 13: but there are some parents, and especially if your kid
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 13: was born prematurely, if you have a family history of
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 13: autoimmune disease, you might want to space things out. That's fine,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 13: and we have evidence for example from England. They talk
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 13: to parents who said I don't want to get the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 13: full MMR. Almost half of them said yeah, but I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 13: would get the measles shot separately, so we can get
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 13: to an increase in uptake if we have flexibility in
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 13: the schedule. If we have flexibility in splitting up the vaccines.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 13: Is about meeting parents where we are rather than dictating
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 13: to them, rather than mandating to them. This should not
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 13: be controversial. This is about respect and this is also
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 13: about science.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Well, and it's interesting that you ended on that point
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: in this segment, because we're going to take a break
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: and come back but I just want to point out
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: it's the side that is opposing the parent's choice that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: is arguing that they are the more scientific. It was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: the people that argued in favor of Fauci's mandated you
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: will follow my word, you know, it's my way or
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: the highway kind of thing. They were the ones that
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: accused the others of being non science. Like all of
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: the people that are insisting upon the simplified, mandated kind
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: of government control, kind of one size fits all approach,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: they always accuse the other side of being science deniers,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: when in reality it appears that science might actually support
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: some of these things that parents are asking about, specifically
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: in the cases of what you just mentioned, autoimmune and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: other sensitivities of family history that people may have that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: maybe not everybody does. Of course, it would be helpful,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: It would have been helpful during COVID if they had
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: not banned primary care physicians from being able to see
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: their patients and closing down doctor's offices during that period
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: of time. Why we had to go to the pharmacy
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: or to the emergency room to get the COVID vaccines
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: seemed a little suspect to me as well, But well,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I'll get your response to all this, got to take
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: a quick break.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: She is doctor.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Moniqio Hanna from The Independent when this forum, and we're
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: so glad you was.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 7: Here.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: He is from New York. That Kevin McCullough.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Kevin mccaullaugh. Glad to have you with us.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: It's a very powerful Wellness Wednesday discussing these things. But
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you know, vaccines, uh, doctor Johann And I'm thinking, you know, look,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: we'd lead a little Bible study.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: In our in our homes community group from our church.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: They meet once, you know, a couple of times a month,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: and I can remember back during that time, the moms
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: in our little community group kind of split on you know.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Some were very anti vax and if you even thought
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: about taking a vaccine, you were you were going to,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: you know, expose your kid to something very dangerous. Others
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: were like, no, I don't think that's the case. I've
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: talked to a lot of doctors. I've had a lot
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: of really smart people on this show. I generally think
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: that vaccines, uh, for the for the ones that have
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: been tried and tested and proven over the years, Uh,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: they do a wonderful thing for our public health. I'm
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: not anti vas in this discuss. What I am totally
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: against is the one size fits all approach, and we
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: will beat you to death until you agree with this
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: kind of treatment that people were being dished out, you know,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: during COVID. But they've also kind of applied that to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: childhood vaccines on some level as well. And now they're
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: pushing back against the President, who all he said was
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: let's take a look at this. Let's just see if
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: some flexibility makes sense here.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 13: So there are so many things in the president's announcement
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 13: that I think we're critical. He kept the vaccines in
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 13: his executive order. The vaccines that are relevant community protection.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 13: Are there. The ones that.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Are also the ones that have been around for fifty
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: years and we know that there's not a problem.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 13: With them exactly. The ones that are about individualized protection,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 13: he said, individualize them. Have those be about shared decision making.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 13: He talked about aluminum. You know, aluminum is not good
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 13: at any dose. Kids are resilient, so yes, they generally
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 13: speaking will do okay. But studying alternatives, that's what the
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 13: rest of the world has been doing. We do illuminum
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 13: because it's cheaper, not because it's safer, So other countries
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 13: have been doing this. This is not out of step
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 13: with the idea that we should be studying for a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 13: safer alternative for the way that we do adjuvants and vaccines.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 13: Absolutely that makes sense. And when he talks about autism,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 13: you know, I don't think that the literature is there
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 13: that says vaccines cause autism. But I do think that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 13: we don't know as much as we really say we know.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 13: I do think that I have talked to real moms
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 13: who have said my kid was doing well and then
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 13: got the vaccine and then stopped talking. I can't ignore
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 13: those moms. And so what I think is that we
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 13: actually need to do better studies, powered studies to pick
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 13: up rare events because we can't have a policy where
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 13: we continue to disrespect parents. We continue to say your
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 13: child had a bad result due to this vaccine, but
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 13: that didn't really happen. We have to be respectful of
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 13: parents if we are going to find a way forward well.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: And I also think in the age of AI where
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're going to have to have flexibility with
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: people because it's not going to be just trust the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: smart guy with the glasses who says he knows it all.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I think that day is long past and what and
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this in the last segment, but what really
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: struck me was how divisively those big health people were
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: trying to insert themselves between the primary care physician and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: the patient, the everyday patient. And there's probably no more
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: sacred relationship in a public trust than a person has
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: with their doctor, particularly a doctor that they've had over
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: the course of their life, you.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: Know, for many, many years.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: And for the government to come in and say, no,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: we don't trust that relationship on your behalf. We know better,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: we're going to tell you how to do this better.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I just think it's I think it's a morally sacredly,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: morally wrong thing to do.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 13: Kevin, you are so right about this. The way that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 13: you've described this, I've written about it as the democratization
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 13: of expertise. That part of the respect that people used
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 13: to have for doctors was they had all this special knowledge.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 13: We have to accept that patients are coming in informed,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 13: that people are coming in informed. We have to meet
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 13: them where they are and we can be guides to them,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 13: but we can't dictate to them to them. And you know,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 13: the idea that a consent that comes at the point
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 13: of a gun. A consent that says you don't get
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 13: to go to school, you don't get to go to
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 13: work unless you do what I say. That's not a valid,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 13: informed consent. Now, the grace that will give to doctor
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 13: Fauci is he trained many many years ago, and maybe
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 13: in the nineteen fifties, they didn't teach shared decision making. Well,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 13: when I went to medical school, we did. This is
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 13: a violation of professional ethics the way he and so
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 13: many members of the community have been approaching this issue.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 13: Vaccines are important. I think that we need to be
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 13: sure that we keep HERD immunity in the United States.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 13: I am horrified by the outbreaks, but the outbreaks are
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 13: a consequence of the lack of trust and the prolonged
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 13: school closures. Until we acknowledge that we are never going
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 13: to get back to herd immunity. And what President Trump
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 13: did that was so important is said we're going to
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 13: approach lots of different strategies to try to get us
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  Speaker 13: back to HERD immunity. He should be applauded for this,
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  Speaker 13: not chastised well.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just a very dishonest press corps that's trying
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  Speaker 1: to cast it as something evil, because if you really
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  Speaker 1: do understand what you just laid out like it's a
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  Speaker 1: magnanimous it's the most magnanimous approach you could have to it,
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  Speaker 1: and it's really genuinely like, let's do what's best for
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  Speaker 1: the most number of people kind of thing, which is
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  Speaker 1: what we were told the masking was all about. Even
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  Speaker 1: though it didn't work what we were told the vaccines
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  Speaker 1: were all about.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't really.
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  Speaker 1: Work, the social distance, all the rest of it. We
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  Speaker 1: could just rehearse it forever, doctor Monique Johnna and I
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  Speaker 1: always appreciate you taking time and spending it with us.
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  Speaker 1: If people want to follow your work at IWF more,
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  Speaker 1: what are you working on these days and how can
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  Speaker 1: they do that?
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  Speaker 13: You know, I'm writing a lot about Maha and so
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  Speaker 13: you know, if you just look up my name Monique Johanna,
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  Speaker 13: and I'm going to put out a pitch. So right now,
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  Speaker 13: there is an autism report, and if you look at
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  Speaker 13: my my x account, doctor Monique, there is a place
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  Speaker 13: for public comment on autism. There's a strategic report on Autism.
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  Speaker 13: I would really encourage parents, researchers, clinicians reach out. HHS
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  Speaker 13: is looking for guidance for feedback from the public. It's
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  Speaker 13: open through August twentieth. So if you look doctor Monique Johannan,
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  Speaker 13: if you look on x SO, that's really where I'm
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  Speaker 13: very passionate. Now we've had a such an increase in
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  Speaker 13: profound autism, we can do better for those parents, most kids.
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  Speaker 13: So definitely. And also you want to read about my
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  Speaker 13: vaccine report revisiting vaccine Policy, It's online at IWF and
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  Speaker 13: really get to the point. Vaccines are important. We need
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  Speaker 13: to be more thoughtful, more precise about how we approach them.
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  Speaker 6: Appreciate all of that.
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  Speaker 1: IWF dot org to find her writings for Independent Women's
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  Speaker 1: Forum and follow her on exit Doctor Monique, Doctor Monique Cohannon, thank.
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  Speaker 6: You for all that you do.
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  Speaker 13: Thanks so much, Kevin, have great to.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCulloch coming right back from Times Square. Don't go
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  Speaker 1: why stick around for more of that?
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  Speaker 12: Kevin next serving it up because a no drink mental
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  Speaker 12: It's that Kevin the show.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back, Cavin mccallaugh. Final a few minutes.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I love it when the mainstream media gets a taste
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  Speaker 1: of its own medicine and the White House Correspondence Association
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  Speaker 1: just been notified is addressing concerns about President Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 1: secret plane switch in order to preserve pool credibility and
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  Speaker 1: accurately chronicle the president during future security circumstances. I talked
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  Speaker 1: about this yesterday, the James Bond esque rescue that they
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  Speaker 1: pulled off for Donald Trump, where he appeared to board
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  Speaker 1: Air Force one. They had a dinner truck loaded up
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  Speaker 1: next to it. He just got off Air Force one
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  Speaker 1: and went onto the catering truck, was taken to an
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  Speaker 1: awaiting Air Force one thirty and then was accompanied back
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  Speaker 1: to London with two fighter jets, you know, to the
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  Speaker 1: side of that.
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  Speaker 6: C one thirty.
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  Speaker 1: But this is the funny thing. This bombshell report comes
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  Speaker 1: out on Monday that Trump had secretly switched the planes
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  Speaker 1: while reporters and some White House staffers remained on the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: original plane, believing Trump was still inside the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: The report sparked backlash from a lot of journalists, suggesting
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: the reporters on the flight were not only duped but
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: also put at risk. Okay, now, what are they complaining about.
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  Speaker 1: Fox News anchor senior White House correspondent Jackie Heinrich, who
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: is the new president of the White House Correspondents Association
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  Speaker 1: sent it off the record memo to members on Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: after meeting with Trump administration officials to discuss the incident.
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  Speaker 1: I want members to know what w HCA has done
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: since the story was published. Immediately after it broke, we
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: spoke with members who were on the flight and heard
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: from a number of managers and pool chairs about the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: broader concerns raised by the report, including press safety, the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: ability of the pool to maintain an independent record of
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: the president's movements, and the integrity and credibility of pooled reporting.
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  Speaker 1: Heinrich wrote in a letter obtained by Fox News, So
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  Speaker 1: the press are crying where he changed planes.
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  Speaker 6: He didn't let us go. We didn't get to ride
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  Speaker 6: next to him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, never mind the fact that they were aware
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  Speaker 1: that his life was being targeted and under threat from Iran,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what Iran does, is it threatens the lives
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: of the living. And never mind the fact that Turkey
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  Speaker 1: was not necessarily a super secure country to be having
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: the G twelve in to begin with. And so he
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  Speaker 1: goes over there under extreme caution with the Secret Service,
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  Speaker 1: and while they're there, a credible threat develops that they
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  Speaker 1: want to blow his plane up or something.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know what they want to do.
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  Speaker 1: But he had to give them the slip so that
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't know where exactly he was. And so what
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: they devised was was this plan. He would board Air
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  Speaker 1: Force one, then he would exit a backdoor at some
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: point getting into a food military or a catering truck
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: that would take him over to the military plane for
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: the C one thirty and get on the get on
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  Speaker 1: that plane with two high skilled jets on either side
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: of him, flying them back to London. Then at London
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  Speaker 1: they kept part of the ruse up because he had
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: to sneak back onto Air Force one and then appear
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: to the reporters to let them know that he was
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, and it all worked, It all worked well.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, Hey, just a reminder if you think that
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  Speaker 1: That's it for this well on this Wednesday. Kevin mckello,
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  Speaker 1: We'll see
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  Speaker 7: You next time.