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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-28-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

• 0:16
  Speaker 1: Every Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. One week away
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: from Utah Football opening up their fall camp seven days
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  Speaker 2: from now, players will be out on the practice field.
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  Speaker 1: Six days from now, they will be reporting back and.
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  Speaker 3: Getting reintegrated into the grind of a college football season.
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  Speaker 3: We cannot wait for that eventuality. Now we got the news.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna call it bad news. I'm gonna call
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  Speaker 3: it expected news from the official junk Mail that practice
• 0:55
  Speaker 3: media is going to be closed practice. You're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: have observation periods. We're not guaranteed observation periods. I should
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  Speaker 3: say there's an option, there's a potential, there's a unless
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  Speaker 3: otherwise stated when it comes to practice availability.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what we got for now.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously interviews will be available, will be up there,
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  Speaker 3: covering things, will be picking the brains of the coaching
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  Speaker 3: staff and of players to try to figure out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: some of the position.
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  Speaker 1: Battles, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: One week away from camp opening up, in your utes,
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  Speaker 3: are marching towards a college football season that begins on
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  Speaker 3: September third, which is a Thursday night at Rice Cycle Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to be a fun one, can't wait. I
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  Speaker 3: really think it's going to be a fascinating year of football,
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  Speaker 3: not only here in Salt Lake City, but down in Provo.
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  Speaker 3: I think things are going to be interesting in Lubbock.
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  Speaker 3: I think that both Tempe and Tucson might have something
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  Speaker 3: to say.
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  Speaker 1: There are folks that believe that still.
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  Speaker 3: Water, Oklahoma might be back in the picture, that Oklahoma
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  Speaker 3: State might be the kind of team that starts to
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  Speaker 3: make some noise again with Drew Mestamaker and a new
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  Speaker 3: coaching staff and all those types of things. So keep
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  Speaker 3: an eye on all of it. We're gonna lean pretty
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  Speaker 3: heavy on Utah football today. Dan Sorenson of yout Zone
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  Speaker 3: is joining us in half an hour. We've got some
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  Speaker 3: numbers predictions coming up in the neon hour, and then
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  Speaker 3: Stevens and Sylvester Sly himself joining us at one o'clock.
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  Speaker 3: He'll be as far as I know, he'll be on
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  Speaker 3: the broadcast again, the Utah Football broadcast. And of course
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  Speaker 3: he's one of the all time great linebackers to roll
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  Speaker 3: through this Utah football defense that now may or may
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  Speaker 3: not look a little bit different.
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  Speaker 1: We expect continuity.
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  Speaker 3: We expect consistency because Morgan Scalley just bumps up to
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  Speaker 3: the head coaching position, Colton Swan bumps into the defense
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  Speaker 3: of coordinator role, the same role he had for some
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  Speaker 3: of those really good playoff bound Weaber State football teams
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  Speaker 3: when he was a member of that big Sky coaching staff.
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  Speaker 3: And you've grown to kind of accept the fact, or
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  Speaker 3: expect the fact. There's probably a better way to put
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  Speaker 3: that that Utah Football is not going to make any
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  Speaker 3: drastic changes defensively, as much as a new offensive playbook
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  Speaker 3: might be put in. Defensively, Utah football has a few tweaks,
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  Speaker 3: maybe has a new position package, maybe you've got like
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  Speaker 3: a goal line flex or something like that. But for
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  Speaker 3: the most part, Utah football defensively has been pretty consistent
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to scheme and when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: the type of player personnel they try to recruit to
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  Speaker 3: play in that scheme. So I don't know that we
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  Speaker 3: should expect any real changes there, but we'll talk with
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  Speaker 3: Sly about that. The conversation around the NFL continues to
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  Speaker 3: ramp up around the rams around you know, Puka Nakua
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  Speaker 3: and what role he's going to play for that team,
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  Speaker 3: and around you know a contract extension potentially being on
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  Speaker 3: the table for that young man. The company line in
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  Speaker 3: LA seems to be that we're not we're not jumping
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  Speaker 3: the gun on any extensions. They've already got a very
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  Speaker 3: very hefty payroll, They've got a very unfriendly cap situation
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  Speaker 3: with some of their big veterans, and of course, their
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  Speaker 3: quarterback Matthew Stafford, accounts for the largest percentage of cap
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  Speaker 3: hit in the NFL this year, So that's going to
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  Speaker 3: change the way that things happen with guys like Pokin Nakua.
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  Speaker 3: But if he has another great year, he's going to
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  Speaker 3: be GOM. He's going to become the highest paid receiver
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  Speaker 3: in NFL football. Whether that happens mid season, early season,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably not gonna happen during training camp. Sean McVay, though,
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  Speaker 3: has said we expect that he's going to show up.
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  Speaker 3: The larger scuttle butt around LA, of course, is the
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  Speaker 3: fact that Miles Garrett is there, and there's plenty of
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  Speaker 3: smoke around the fire that Aaron Donald could step out
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  Speaker 3: of retirement and try it out, go chase another ring.
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  Speaker 3: I actually appreciated. Last week we had Eric wedelon to
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  Speaker 3: talk about Weddle's induction into the Utah Football Ring of Honor,
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  Speaker 3: and he was kind of the first person who expressed
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  Speaker 3: doubt or expressed I won't say a negative slant on it,
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  Speaker 3: but just like a more of a Devil's advocate type
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  Speaker 3: slant on it than anyone we've really talked to yet.
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  Speaker 3: Weddal was like, but why, though, could Aaron Donald come
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  Speaker 3: out of retirement and add something to the rams? Of course, yes,
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  Speaker 3: should Aaron Donald want another the Super Bowl Ring?
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  Speaker 1: Well, everyone probably does.
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  Speaker 3: Weddell expressed at least some mild doubt that it's important
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  Speaker 3: enough for somebody like Aaron to somebody like Aaron Donald,
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  Speaker 3: that he would pull himself out of retirement and go
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  Speaker 3: through the grind, the mental grind, the time away from family,
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  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And really that's why an NFL
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  Speaker 3: player perspective is so important, because nobody else fully gets it.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose NFL coaches fully get it, but for all
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  Speaker 3: of us, we're just like, well, yeah, if you have
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  Speaker 3: the ability to go out there and be a superstar
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  Speaker 3: level talent, or even just a mediocre talent in the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: you're still in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: It's like this superhuman appointment.
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  Speaker 3: It's this honor that none of us can even fathom,
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  Speaker 3: and these sports heroes that we hopefully don't worship too much,
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  Speaker 3: but that we adulate as an American public. Why wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: you want want that again? If you could have it?
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  Speaker 3: And it was great to hear what I'll say, Well,
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  Speaker 3: because why you don't If you don't need it, why
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  Speaker 3: would you do it? If you don't need money, which
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't, If you don't need more attention, which he doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't need to cement your legacy, which he doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Why do it? So why would he?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's because there's a competitor in everyone, and
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  Speaker 3: there's a fascination even for and maybe especially for those
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  Speaker 3: elite guys, Like what would it look like if I
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  Speaker 3: played next to another guy who was like me? How
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  Speaker 3: would it be if I did one last ride with
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  Speaker 3: somebody who's a peer of mine, an equal almost? Because
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  Speaker 3: he never played with any on the defensive line. As
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  Speaker 3: much as you know, Jared Verse came on strong as
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  Speaker 3: a young man. Nobody was like, oh, that's the next
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Donald. Mile Garrett is not positionally similar to Aaron Donald, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: but he is the similarity comes in his freakishness is dominance.
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  Speaker 3: So is Aaron Donald going to come back and play?
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  Speaker 3: I think so how many games? I don't know. Our
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  Speaker 3: Utah football legend Eric Weddle's the first person that we've
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  Speaker 3: heard kind of come on and say, well, hold on,
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  Speaker 3: don't just expect this is a guarantee.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I'm bringing it up.
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  Speaker 3: Is because we're a week away from Utah Fall camp
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  Speaker 3: opening and it's summertime radio, so you can do whatever
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  Speaker 3: the bleep you want. And it made me think about,
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  Speaker 3: all right, if you had an option, right and with
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  Speaker 3: the lawyers, you never know because five years of eligibility
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  Speaker 3: now to play all five years means that there are
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  Speaker 3: plenty of people out there. There's I think currently a
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  Speaker 3: little over a dozen cases open of people suing for
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  Speaker 3: more eligibility because hey, my school year just ended and
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  Speaker 3: now it's five years to play five I want that
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  Speaker 3: fifth year. Like, let's pretend that you've got the best
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  Speaker 3: lawyer in the business and that person is going to
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  Speaker 3: be able to get eligibility for whatever Utah football player,
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  Speaker 3: former Utah football player you want to have that fifth
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  Speaker 3: year eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred
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  Speaker 3: If you could add.
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  Speaker 1: I tweeted it also at Rilos Sports.
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  Speaker 3: If you could add one former Ute to the twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty six campaign to this year's roster, to bolster what
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  Speaker 3: you think this team needs. Who would it be? Eight
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  Speaker 3: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. I think
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  Speaker 3: I have an idea where most people are going to
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  Speaker 3: come in on this, but I want to hear from you.
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  Speaker 3: It's a complete silly hypothetical, but that's what we're doing today,
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  Speaker 3: all right. You could add one former Ute, give him
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  Speaker 3: an extra year of eligibility, Assume that he's like Aaron
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  Speaker 3: Donald and he's healthy and a complete freak and still
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  Speaker 3: close to football shape. And if you have to, if
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  Speaker 3: it's someone who's you know, in their forties, now you
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  Speaker 3: can pretend that they're in their early twenties. Again eight
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  Speaker 3: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred the former
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  Speaker 3: you would add back to this year's roster in order
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  Speaker 3: to help Morgan Scalley in his first year chase greatness
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  Speaker 3: and potential Big twelve championship and the football playoff inclusion
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  Speaker 3: that would come with a conference championship. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: we haven't talked about this because on my show, I've
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  Speaker 3: kind of tempered. I'm trying to temper expectations a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I am optimistic that this is going to be a
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  Speaker 3: really good Utah football team. I'm very excited that this
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  Speaker 3: squad is going to make some noise in the Big Twelve.
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  Speaker 3: I am not going to operate under the assumption or
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  Speaker 3: under the demand that it's conference championship or the first
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  Speaker 3: year under Morgan Scalley as a failure. Nowhere close to
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  Speaker 3: that thing, even resembling that. There are some really good teams.
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  Speaker 3: There are some really loaded rosters, there are some deep
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  Speaker 3: pocketbooks that have helped those rosters to be loaded, and
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  Speaker 3: those teams are the favorites to win the conference for
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  Speaker 3: a reason. Utah, I think is in that second tier
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  Speaker 3: for some people for a reason. But if Morgan Scalley
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  Speaker 3: can pull it off, if he can overachieve with this
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  Speaker 3: year's football team, and he's very capable, and his assistant
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  Speaker 3: coaches are very capable, and his quarterback position room, which
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  Speaker 3: is the most important in all of football, is incredibly capable.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're talking about I mean, we spent a lot
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  Speaker 3: of years digesting what the ultimate legacy of Kyle Whittingham is,
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  Speaker 3: and we will again when he retires from his job
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  Speaker 3: at Michigan, but with Morgan, he's twenty years away from
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  Speaker 3: having a real legacy discussion. But goodness gracious, what a
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  Speaker 3: start it would be. He jumped right in and became
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  Speaker 3: a conference championship contender. It's something that Kyle Whittingham had
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  Speaker 3: a hard time doing. It's something that most coaches are
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  Speaker 3: not really capable of as first year head coaches.
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  Speaker 1: So a couple of things on the docket.
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  Speaker 3: If you could add one former ute, assuming full health,
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  Speaker 3: you turn back the clock. He's twenty one years old again,
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  Speaker 3: he gets a free fifth year of eligibility. Who would
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  Speaker 3: you put back on this year's football team? Eight seven
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  Speaker 3: seven three five three zero seven hundred. A couple of
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  Speaker 3: these coming in in what I thought might be an
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  Speaker 3: expected slant, Morgan says, Jordan Gross. Hey, Jordan Gross is close.
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  Speaker 3: He's right there now. Jordan Gross is not physically. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not talking about age, I'm talking about size wise. He's
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  Speaker 3: no longer offensive tackle sized. He's one of those guys
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  Speaker 3: who really leaned out post career, so he's no longer
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  Speaker 3: big enough to play the position that he dominated at
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  Speaker 3: in college football. Morgan says, Jordan Gross zero three zero three,
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  Speaker 3: says Garrett Bowles. I thought people might come in with
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  Speaker 3: the offensive line, you know, add one of these great
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  Speaker 3: offensive linemen. I'm really curious. I mean, you saw the
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  Speaker 3: sound from way Shawn Parker. Who's he's doing. He's been
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  Speaker 3: a great teammate. He's saying, I think that this offensive
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  Speaker 3: line could be even better than last year's offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: Most of us don't have that as any kind of
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  Speaker 3: realistic expectation of these guys. But the message he's trying
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  Speaker 3: to convey is I have a deep belief in the
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  Speaker 3: offensive line this year, whoever those starting five are, that
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  Speaker 3: they're going to make my job as a running back easy.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, if I ask you to just drop
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  Speaker 3: a talented player in on a roster of line is
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  Speaker 3: probably kind of the last place to do it, as
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  Speaker 3: tempting as that is, because offensive line is a lot
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  Speaker 3: about chemistry. Now, I think Garrett Bowles is a good
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  Speaker 3: pick here because Garrett Bowles, as much as we fancy
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  Speaker 3: him a Utah legend, Garrett Bowles is a one year
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  Speaker 3: ut Garrett Boles made a massive splash in his one
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  Speaker 3: season as a Utah football starter, so chemistry is not
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  Speaker 3: an issue for him, dropping him in and expecting him
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  Speaker 3: to perform at the highest level and make that offensive
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  Speaker 3: line better not an issue for somebody like Garrett Boles.
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  Speaker 3: So he might be the best offensive line pick you
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  Speaker 3: can throw out there. Eric on the tweet machine. On
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  Speaker 3: the text line, he says star Low to Lelay. Derek
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  Speaker 3: also threw in a Hunter Dimock or a star Low
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  Speaker 3: to Lelay make the pass rush scary. Now, if you
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  Speaker 3: want Hunter dim that makes the pass rush scary. Who
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  Speaker 3: are you taking out right? You're not having Hunter Dimmick
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  Speaker 3: be a backup, So you're saying hundred Dimick instead of
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  Speaker 3: Lance Holtzklaw Hunter Dimmick instead of Cash Dylan. I mean
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  Speaker 3: his resume says you could put him over top of
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  Speaker 3: either of those guys, or you could put him in
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  Speaker 3: bump holds Claw to one side, Cash Dlon to the
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  Speaker 3: you know, to the third option.
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  Speaker 1: I don't hate it.
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  Speaker 3: Forty five twenty eight says I'm gonna drop in Alex Smith.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not not because I don't think Alex Smith would
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  Speaker 3: make this team even better. But I would rather shore
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  Speaker 3: up a weakness than make a strong position incrementally stronger,
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  Speaker 3: if that makes sense. Alex Smith is an A plus
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  Speaker 3: college quarterback, I think you already have at least a
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  Speaker 3: B plus A minus quarterback, and your quarterback room is
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  Speaker 3: a flat out A.
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  Speaker 1: So could you go from an A to an A plus, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you could. But if you've.
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  Speaker 3: Got a B offensive line and you can make that
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  Speaker 3: a B plus or an A minus, I'll take that.
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  Speaker 3: If you're not as optimistic as me, and you think
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  Speaker 3: your offensive line situation with five new starters is more
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  Speaker 3: like a C plus and you could get someone to
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  Speaker 3: add to it to make it a B plus.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're talking right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think for the first time in history, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think most people are gonna drop a wide receiver
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  Speaker 3: in because you feel like your wide receiver room is
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  Speaker 3: great or you feel like your wide receiver room has
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  Speaker 3: the potential to be great. I don't know how many
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  Speaker 3: people are gonna say, you know, give me a running back.
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  Speaker 1: I would listen to those arguments.
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  Speaker 3: I think for me, defensive line is the opt place
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  Speaker 3: to go. Offensive line maybe, but offensive line, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: requires cohesion, requires five fingers in the same glove kind
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  Speaker 3: of a mentality. So that mercenary thing that Aaron Donald
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  Speaker 3: is going to be doing, potentially playing eight games or
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  Speaker 3: ten games for LA makes less sense on that front.
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  Speaker 1: And again, this is pure fantasy.
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  Speaker 3: It's a total hypothetical, and I'm spending more time on
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  Speaker 3: it already than I thought I would. I love this
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  Speaker 3: from sixty eight to forty four Gihnny Paul. Now, I
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  Speaker 3: like the linebacker room right now at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 1: But I love me some Geebo.
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  Speaker 3: He is one of the top five defensive players that
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  Speaker 3: have ever come through this program. I will die on
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  Speaker 3: that hill. As a college player, Gibo was elite and
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  Speaker 3: should have been the defensive player of the year in
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  Speaker 3: the conference. He was a game wrecker. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: people coming in with Steve Smith surprised by that.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Smith, who I love. I love talking to him.
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  Speaker 3: I love his cantankerous stance against a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: in the world. I love him as an NFL player.
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  Speaker 3: I love his little man competitor syndrome. Steve Smith. If
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that he is now back to college, Steve Smith,
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  Speaker 3: Steve Smith ain't the guy I'm putting in. He was
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  Speaker 3: a much better, more productive, more impactful NFL football player
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  Speaker 3: than he was a college football player. And he's a
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  Speaker 3: really good college football player. But if I get to
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  Speaker 3: choose from any ute, at any position, from any era
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  Speaker 3: and drop him back into the twenty twenty six roster,
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  Speaker 3: it's not going to be Steve Smith. How about this Cayden?
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  Speaker 3: This coming in from Cayden. I think this is Caden
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  Speaker 3: showing his age a little bit, but saying Marquise Blair
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  Speaker 3: or Sioni Vaki and even on my radar, now do
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  Speaker 3: you want to add him because of his defensive prowess
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  Speaker 3: or because of his defensive and offensive versatility? Twenty eighty
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  Speaker 3: six says Nate Orchard because of some of the questions
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  Speaker 3: on the D line, and maybe Zaane Beatles because of
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  Speaker 3: some of the questions on the whole line. That twenty
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  Speaker 3: eighty six reasonable on both fronts, intelligent on both fronts.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, we have questions about the productivity, the
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  Speaker 3: returning production of your defensive line when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: the pass rush, especially right if you have Nate Orchard,
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  Speaker 3: who you know is capable of rolling out of bed again.
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  Speaker 1: In this hypothetical scenario and giving you.
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  Speaker 3: Digit sacks, no brainer. In my opinion, Nat or should
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  Speaker 3: be a hell of a pick here. That is one
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  Speaker 3: thing that you need plenty of because your your top
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  Speaker 3: returning pass rusher, your top returning sack getter on this roster,
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  Speaker 3: James Peterson, I've been rude and not really welcomed you
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  Speaker 3: into the show yet today, James, do you know who
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  Speaker 3: the top returning sack man on Utah Football's roster is
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  Speaker 3: this year and one thousand?
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  Speaker 1: James Peterson?
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  Speaker 3: Bonus points if you know exactly how many sacks he had.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and this.
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  Speaker 3: Is according to by the way the Utah utes dot
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  Speaker 3: Com actual in house stats.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, returning sack leader Cash Dylan for sacks.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, Cash Dylon correct four sacks, very close, but you
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  Speaker 3: lose on the prices right rule there?
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  Speaker 1: Who was it three and a half? It's three and
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  Speaker 1: a half.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man, I should have thrown in the half there,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: knowing that they probably had half a sack there. I
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: knew it wasn't gonna be a lot of sacks because
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: JHD just gobbled up all the sacks last year in
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: the games that he played.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: He had eleven games, eleven and a half sacks. Logan
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Fano had four and a half sacks over eleven games.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Cash Dylan played in all thirteen games, twenty solo tackles,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: fifteen assisted tackles, four and a half tackles for lost,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: three and a half of those were sacks. He also
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: forced to fumble cash. Dylan, I think is being a
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: little bit slept on because we like Lance Holtzklaus upside.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: We like his potential, we like his loquaciousness, we like
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: the fact that he is kind of like the spokesperson
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: of this Utah football defense right now. And by the way,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Lance holts Claw is not even second on the team
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: in returning sacks, James, because I'm so impressed with your
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: ability to get the cash, Dylan, pick right, do you
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: want to take a crack at the second returning sacks.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Second returning sack leader, and it's you said, it's not
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Lance Holt's not Lance Holt's claw.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: He's actually tied for fourth. Man.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I'm I've been doing enough roster research here. Do you
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: give me give me some of the names pass rushers
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: that are returning besides those?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of a trick question because of this,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: because it's not a pass rusher, it's not it's not
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: a defensive end. It's John ou Hall. It's John Right. Okay,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: John oh Hall had two and a half sacks last year.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Elijah Ellis. Who can I tell you people how to
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: pop this? Ye ridiculously excited. I am for the pop
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: of Elijah Ellis. I think it's gonna happen this year.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: If it does happened this year, it's definitively going to
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: happen next year. Like it's not a matter of if,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: it's a matter of when. I think it's this year,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and it's going to be glorious and incredible and not
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: unexpected by me.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think unexpected.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Once people are like, oh, yeah, that's an LS, everyone
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: in the NFL is gonna be like, yep, that makes sense.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Everyone in the Utah football locker room is gonna be like, yeah,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: we knew this was coming right. All of us that
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: are maybe just being lazy about it and not thinking
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Are gonna be like, well, yeah, obviously, oh I didn't.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: I forgot there was another A lot of people are
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: gonna be like, I forgot there was another Ellis on
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: the roster. So, Johnny, you think probably rush linebacker, if not.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Defensive end, would end up being his position.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I think he's a little bit of a hybrid. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: don't know how big he is right now, because if
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: he's anything like his brothers, and I think he is
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: like his brothers, he's listed right now at six two
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: two twenty five. I don't know if that's if that's
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: a real number for him, because all of the Ellis
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: brothers that have played for the University of Utah have
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: come in at like two hundred and fifteen pounds and
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: ended up at like two hundred and forty five two
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: hundred and.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Fifty pounds if I'm not mistaken.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if he's quite as tall listed
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: at six to two, but in any case, he had
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: two sacks last year. I think we get a little
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: bit more out of Elijah Ellis, who.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Is not a defensive end.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: He's a linebacker, but he obviously has the ability to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: bend the edge if you need him to, and could
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: provide you some unique looks in that regard. A'llah, it's
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: an unfair comparison, but remember when they decided to let
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd pass rush a couple of times and yeah,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: just sort of happened, didn't too.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Oh Yeah, he's really good at that too.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: He almost had in his twenty twenty one year, he
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: almost had double digit sacks. He had eight or nine
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: sacks that year and he wasn't even rushing the passer
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: very much.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: There's just some people have an acumen for getting to
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the quarterback, whether it's by blitzing them or letting them
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: land line up, usually in a two point stance on
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: the edge. Yeah, for whatever it is, right, and I
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: think that that's probably the use of Elijah Ellis. So
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: the returning sack leaders are Cash Dylan three and a half,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: John ou Hall had two and a half, Elijah Ellis
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: had two, and then Trey Reynolds and Lance Holtzklaw were
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: tied with one.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: And a half one and a half.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: John Wu not Now, I'm not saying he's he's gonna
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: be as good as Devin Lloyd, right, Don't don't get
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: that twisted. Devin Lloyd was probably the best linebacker in
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: program history. But John Wu might have that in him
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: as a as a strictly a linebacker who doesn't rush
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: the passer very much, had that same thing in him.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Where with more opportunity this season, with more of a
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: mantle on his shoulders to be that veteran leader, potentially
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: captain on the defensive side, we'll see too. Maybe we
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: look at the end of the year, we go, man,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: he had seven sacks this year or whatever it is,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: he might be one of the sack leaders from a
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: strictly linebacker not pass rusher position, because he he showed that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I think he might have gotten all two and a
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: half sacks. So see in one game against Cincinnati. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: feel like he was all over the field against Cincinnati
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: and he got multiple sacks or multiple half sacks.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Where he helped He helped.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Take down Brendan Sooresby in that game, and he only
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: had two and a half on the year. I mean
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: that might have been an indication of, hey, he can
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: do a whole lot more of that if we allow
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: him to over a full season. So I wonder if
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: that happens for John Ohall.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Nathan on the text line says, would John Henry daily
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: count or not because he still playing. If you want
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: to bring that form er you back, you're allowed.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: And take away his his achilles injury too. We're erasing
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the achilles injury and we're bringing him back.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I mean that everyone, everyone close to him, everyone who's
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: mad at him, everyone, we should all want for his
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: achilles injury to not have been a thing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Obviously Michigan wants his achilles injury to not be a thing.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I have not paid attention to the miss Michigan message
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: boards or the recovery process for John Henry Daily.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I would be amazed if he first of all, if
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: he plays anything before the second half of the season,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and even more amazed if he has any real return
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to greatness this season.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen across all sports remarkable returns from
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: achilles injuries, particularly in basketball, over the last five to
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: ten years that we wouldn't have even I personally wouldn't
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: have even thought would be possible. Ever, but even with
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: those guys there's they have not been quite as good
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: as they were pre achilles. I mean, Kevin Durant in
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: the NBA has been the closest one to that, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: yet he's also missed significant time basically every season since
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: he tore his achilles. So yeah, even if even if
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Hunter Dimmick is able to excuse me, John Henry Daily
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: is able to play, I'm reading that. I'm cheating at
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the text line reading seeing Hunter Dimmick's name. Even we
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: see John Henry Daily, he may he might be a
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: he'd more likely be a diminished in some way.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: John Henry Daily when he comes back.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: So Terrell Suggs is the best example of this. Terrell
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Suggs tore his achilles tendon, had it surgically repaired, and
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: was back in five months, which is absolutely insane timeline.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: It's also a timeline helped out by HGH. Let's not
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: have any illusions about that. Okay, but even with that,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and I begrudge nobody, especially a professional athlete, trying to
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: recover from an injury as fast as possible. I'm not
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: going to stand on some moral high horse about something
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: like that. I've seen people use HGH for surgical repair.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It was miraculous.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: And this was someone who was getting like the bootleg
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Chinese stuff, like literally had to watch a YouTube instructional
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: video on how to administer the HGH because the packaging
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: did not have a lick of English writing on it,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: like that level of dark web. HGH helped miraculously with
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: someone I know's surgical recovery. So Terrell Suggs got back
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: after five months he was playing. That was the same
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Ravens team that Ray Lewis got back from a bicep
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: tendon repair after less than five months. Like these guys
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: were on the good, good stuff.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Terrell Suggs though when he first came back, was not
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: anything near what Terrell Suggs was before the injury or
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: even the following year after that.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: The immediate return. We saw this with Brittain Cubby's knee.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Remember that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, took him about a year and a half where
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: he was like, I'm playing, I'm back, but he wasn't back.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: He wasn't that insane, twitchy change of direction Barry Sanders
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: style running.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: It takes time. And so you remember Michael crabtreats too.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: He was one of the fastest at the time to
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: come back return to play after a after an Achilles' tear.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I think in twenty thirteen season, maybe twenty fourteen, somewhere
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: in there. He was not the rising star in the
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: NFL that he was before before that injury for year niners.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Oh Zach on the text line says, Kyle Woodham just
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: said on the Rich Eisend Show that JHD is one
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: hundred percent ready to go.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: I was just about to say Rich he's on Cada
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Michigan Championship they're calling it a championship event of some kind.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: He did, He did tease that rich was or that
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: wit was gonna be on the show. We'll try to
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: pull that sound and play any relevant stuff to Utah
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: from the win interview. Maybe we'll get that on the
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: show tomorrow.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, gotta take a break, but keep the text coming in.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: We're just it's fun and fancy free.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: On a Monday, a week ahead of Utah football opening camp,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: what former ut would you drop onto this year's roster
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to help them win a championship, assuming full health, eligibility,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: youth whatever, eight seven, seven, three five three zero, seven hundred.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Keep the text coming in. We'll get to more of those.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I'm also gonna ask Dan Sorenson the same question.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: He joins us.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Next, it's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred
• 31:55
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  Speaker 6: You're tuned to the Shan o'conno Show for the Murdoch
• 32:07
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  Speaker 6: one af AM.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Shot o'conno Show.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Welcome in, Dan Sorensen, Utah Football Insider publisher at utzone
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: dot com.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Dan, welcome back to the show.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: How are you doing well? How are you doing?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: We are one week away from Utah opening fall camp,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: and that's where we get to stop pretending we know
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: what we're talking about and start actually getting an idea
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: that we might know what we're talking about.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: I hear you are. Our long national nightmare is over.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Football is coming.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's so close before we get into anything even
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: remotely serious. Because of Aaron Donald, I got thinking about,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: you know, wild hypotheticals. If you could take a former
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: ute who is we'll call it in retirement because of
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: lack of eligibility, or you know, they just moved on
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: in life because all college athletes have to, and you
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: could drop that former ute onto this roster and help
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: them win a championship. We'll assume that they're back in
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: their early twenties. We'll assume that they're fully healthy and
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: freaks like Aaron Donald who work out all the time
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: and earn great shape. But what form would you put
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: on this roster to give them a better chance of
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: making a college football playoff and raising a Big twelve
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: championship trophy?
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: You know you don't have to look much further than
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: the offensive line room and Jordan Gross I would absolutely
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: sticking him in at left tackle, making sure that there
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: was there was a piece that was a certainty that
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: you could build around on that offensive lion. I think
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: that that could be the difference maker between a really
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: really good season and a spectacular or special seasons. So
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: that would be my choice.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: He did not give up a sack in his last
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: two years as a starter, if I'm not mistaken, So that.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Would be helpful.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, just keep keeping that. Look. Death can handle
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: himself when he's under pressure, but not having to handle
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: yourself is probably the better outcome there.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, so now we're going to get into the actual
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: season stuff, not our fanciful ideas, but the actual things
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: that might happen. And we'll stay here with the offensive
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: line for now, because you know, everyone's sort of admitted
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: that that's where the most sincere position battles are happening.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: That, you know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley at Big twelve media days was just like,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: we got to figure out who are starting five are.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I feel good that they have options. I feel good
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: that they have bodies there that are going to end
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: up being good players when you get them all together
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: and maybe give him a week or two, get the
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: right chemistry and whatnot. If you were making that starting
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: five today, who do you think it is?
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Today, my best guess is left tackle would be
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: Zaraway Williams, left guard toa MOEI, center would be Al Harrison,
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: right guard would be of course super Keith Olsen, and
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: right tackle Ike Garcia. We're hearing a lot of good
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: things about Ike, what he did in the spring and
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: what's been happening over the summertime. But if I had
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: to guess right now, gun to my head, that's the
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: guests that I would be on that starting five. Now.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: I know that that leaves out a Kelvin Obots who
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: there is a lot of promise, There's a lot of
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: buzz around, and I think he'll see a lot of reps.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: There are other capable guys that are in the mix.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: I think there are early eight guys on the roster
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: that I think have a legitimate chance at starting. But
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: those would be my top five right now.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: So I love the Garcia conversation because this was a
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: guy that when he committed to the University of Utah.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, it came with a certain amount of fanfare,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of expectation, excitement, and it hasn't popped yet because,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: of course, when you have Caleb Blomu and Spencer Fano
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: and some of the experienced guys in front of him,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of reasons why a guy like Garcia
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: would potentially leave right where the transfer portal would come
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: calling for him.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And he's still here.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: And the idea of it used to be the norm,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: as you're well aware, used to be the norm. The
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: idea of a red shirt sophomore just paying his dues
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: and spending time and getting his body bigger and all
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff and then breaking out in his
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: third year in a program is now a foreign concept,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: even though it's the way things were always done, especially
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: at a position like offensive line.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, and and Garcia in particularly, look, it's been
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: a frustrating couple of years for him on camp because
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: he's dealt with injuries. He had an injury all of
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: last year. He looked so good in the spring football
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: of last year, and we had high expectations of him
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: to fill kind of the same role that we saw
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Keith Olten last year. Where we thought that he would
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: be a big part of that rotation. They'd be circulating
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: him in and out of the lineup frequently, even with
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Lomu and Final in that lineup. But because he had
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: a season ending injury, and he'd been injured the year
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: prior as well, it really kind of stunted some of
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: his development and his ability to get on the field.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: But to his credit, he put his head down. He's
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: done a lot of work to get his body right.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: We're hearing that he's just doing so well, especially on
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: that front where he's finally healthy and he can go
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: out and make a statement for himself. And that right
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: tackle position battle is an interesting one because you've got
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Garcia there who he's been waiting in the wings and
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: he's been biting his time. And then you kind of
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: have the flip side side of the coin with Edward Jefferson,
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: who is the big offensive line transfer that they brought
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: in from the portal. He was a multi year starter
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: at Montana State. They're bringing him up from the FCS
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: level and he also had a pretty solid spring. So
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: it's going to be a battle. I'm not saying that
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Garcia is gonna just walk in and win this thing.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: He's going to have to fight for it. And frankly,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Jefferson is a guy with positional versatility where they can
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: flip him to left tackle. He's started games at left tackle,
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: he started games at guard, so he's one of those
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: guys that I think makes the line better. And this
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: is the kind of thing that you want, especially for
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: a position group that is not as battle tested as
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: would give a certainly you fans comfort. But the fact
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: that there are at least eight guys that are going
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: to be pushing one another that are good enough to
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: start and then now the key is can you get
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: that five in place within the first week or so
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: of fall camp so that they can really start to
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: gel and be ready to go by the time that
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: Idaho in and and Arkansas role around where they're starting
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: to fire on all cylinders. That's going to be the key.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: If this battle continues into week two, week three of
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: fall camp, that might be a little bit more problematic,
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: especially since nobody's really stepping up and earning and winning
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: that job. But it's by far, in my opinion, the
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: most fascinating position battle in fall camp and frankly the
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: most critical for this team. This team will rise as
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: high as the offensive line can take them.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I agree with you wholeheartedly.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of packages and plays last year
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: where a sixth offensive line body was brought in, and
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I wonder IF's no longer that Jason Beck offense. Some
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: of those things worked well and are probably going to
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: be reimagined, I would imagine under Kevin Gibbon, Kevin mcgiven.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: My question is that they've decided, you know, they really
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: like this rhino stuff. We all really like this rhino stuff.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Does that decrease the likelihood of a sixth offensive line
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: body like Jefferson or an obot being put next to
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: the starting five or being worked in conjunction with the
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: starting five, or could you see a situation where it's
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: like jumbo jumbo where you've got a sixth offensive lineman
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: and you've got the rhino backs in.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I absolutely could see Kevin mcgiven using that
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: the super jumbo package, if you will, with multiple big
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: the rhino or whatever they call him these days. But
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: look at a semi talalonga who got a lot of
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: snaps last year and of course was the Internet darling
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: of college football for a little while in the spring
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: just based on some things that he did as a receiver,
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: and I'm I'm really excited to see what Utah can
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: do with him and using him as a receiver and
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: using that the possibility of run as a decoy ployee
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: type of thing, but putting a talong on the field
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: with a Toea MOEI or a Reese parmenter or somebody
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: coming in as that's playing tight end reps technically, but
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: are absolutely an offensive lineman. I think that that works
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: so well. And because Devin damp Here and Bert Fickland
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: both run the read options so effectively and they're so
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: explosive as running threats from that quarterback position, I think
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: it would be silly to throw that entire package out
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: the window. I think that they'd like to be a
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: little bit more versatile in what they can do so
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: it's not obvious run every time or obvious where the
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: run is going. But I do think that we're going
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: to see a healthy diet of that type of package
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: this fall, in addition to everything else that we're going
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: to see with multiple wide receiver sets and that sort
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: of thing.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Dan Sorrenson, I guess here on the Sean o'connough.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Show one week ahead of Utah football opening can and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: we're speculating on rotational stuff on the offensive line, Let's
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: do it on the defensive line.
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's another position group where you have some
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: serious questions that need to be answered. It's a lot
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: less important to have a hardcore starting group at D
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: line because they're going to rotate in and out what
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: you need there is depth, But everything we've heard about
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Carson Kalfusi seems like he's one of the starting D tackles.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Who's the other, Like, if you're going to do a
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: top pairing like we're doing NHL defenseman, it's Carson Calfusie
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: and who.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're talking strictly starter, it's I think it's
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: probably going to be between Jai Moe and jam Wallace.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Lucas Samsul is going to have something to say about
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: that as well. But I think it's going to be
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: dependent on the type of team that they face defensive tackle.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: If Utah has always wanted to go four or five
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: players deep in that rotation with all five, if they
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: go five deep, they want that fifth guy to get
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: maybe ten snaps a game, the starters to maybe get
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: roughly twenty to thirty snaps a game. But keeping those
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: guys fresh has been really important and Utah's best defenses
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: they've been able to do that. Last year. The rotation
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: performed well at times, but it certainly especially with injuries
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: as the season went on, it was a real struggle.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: So I think that Utah is in much better shape
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: from a depth perspective this year. Like you said, Kafushi,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: we expect a massive improvement out of him. Poopu Cepalona.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: He played really really well as a true freshman last year.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: He's bulked up even more so. He's at two ninety
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: eight on the roster right now, and he's going to
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: be in the mix there. Moe is a guy that
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: you just heard about him over and over and over
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: again during spring football and when they brought him in.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: One of the things that they looked looked at at
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: what he did at San Jose State was his win
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: rate one on one as he was going up against
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: offensive lineman and as an undersized true freshman, he had
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: the highest win rate in college football of going one
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: on one as and he's look, he's not very big,
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: but he's so quick. He fires off the ball He's disruptive,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: and he can hold his own in those run situations.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: And he's a guy that you fans don't know his
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: name very well now they will by the end of
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: the season. But I love the fact that they are
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: once again, like the offensive line, so many bodies and
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: capable guys and guys that are hungry for different reasons,
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: that are going to be battling in day in, day
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: out to get on the field, and they know that
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: they can't let up if they want to see reps.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: And so this is a good problem for you Tah
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: to have. I think the defensive tackle position is going
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: to be significantly better than what we saw season ago.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: And even though these guys are young, I think that
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: they're up to the task.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Is past rush going to be an issue?
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: That's a tough one. Look. John Henry Daily was special
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: in every regard when you look at the advanced stats
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: what he did last year, The amount of impact that
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: he made on the field, even when he didn't touch
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: the quarterback was significant. Is Utah going to have a
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: guy that makes that kind of an impact of this fall.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: Probably not. Look I am bullish on lanceholtz Klai. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: think he funny, enough. He did not really get home
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: a lot last year, but when you look at the
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: numbers and what he did a season ago, he was
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: the second highest percentage in terms of getting to the
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: quarterback behind John Henry Daily. He didn't get as many
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: opportunities as a backup, but he does. He's able to
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: create pressures, He's able to make quarterbacks uncomfortable. The thing
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: that he didn't do last year at a high clip
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: was land the sack, and that's going to be something
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: that's important. And then I know that coach Scally has
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: talked about the fact that I think that he cares
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: far more about pressures than he does about actual sacks.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: But everybody knows, Look, the sack is the big play,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: right It's It's every single great Utah defense that has
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: been on the field for the last thirty years has
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: had at least one guy that was an elite pass
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: rusher that could get home and get the sack. And so, yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: who that's going to be is a big question. Holtz
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Clai I think is capable ethan day hearing great things
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: about him and how his summer has gone, and he look,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: he wasn't a highly productive pass rusher at at North
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Texas last year, but he was more of a like
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: that all around guy. I think he played just more
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: snaps than the ninety eight percent of the defensive ends
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: in college football last year, Like he never left the field.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: These great against the run. He can get home to
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: the quarterback. We'll see if Paul Fitzgerald can do something.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: He had that great season a couple of years ago
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: up at Utah State before he transferred to Utah, and
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: with injuries and being down on the depth chart, he
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: really hasn't had a chance to show what he can do.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: And he's fully healthy from what we're hearing, and so
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: can he come out and be that breakout guy kind
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: of like JHD was last year coming out of nowhere.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: It's possible. And what Cash Dylan as a red swoot
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: freshman last year played really really well, And there's going
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: to be a day where Cash Dillon is all conference caliber.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's this season. If it's not
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: the season, it will definitely be next. But he is
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: a superstar in the waiting. He's just got to put
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: those last things together. And so between those four guys,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: I don't know what's going to happen. And I don't
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: know who's going to be the leader there. They're going
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: to have to show it on the field. We're probably
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: going to see a little bit of playing with that
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: lineup in a quicker rotation than we normally would. But
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: there's the opportunity for all four of them, and they're capable.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: It's just a matter of can they go out and
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: get it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to do something really unfair, But this
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: is it's all speculation season.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: We're in talking season right now.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: So let's say you get seventy two touches on offense
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: that you get to distribute like, I don't care if
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: you want to do it percentage wise.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: You want to do actual numbers for touches.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: But you've got we think you've got this embarrassment of
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: weapons that Utah football is. That's usually not a characterizing
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: factor talking about your roster, right, I think people want
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: to see Devin dan Pierre call his own number. They
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: want us hear the same from Bird Ficklin more than
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: a just specialized packages. Potentially, you got Nate Johnson who
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: could take the top off a defense.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: How many times you get in the ball to him.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: We know about the wide receiver room that you've brought
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: in some talent where Kyrie Scholz has a lot of production,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: not at Utah, but a lot of production.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Same thing with Pagan.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: And then you've got way Sean Parker, who I think
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: most of us want to see be a bell cow back.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: But what about Daniel Bray. I haven't even mentioned Hunter Andrews.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: You got to give that guy ten touches a game. Maybe.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: So it's a good problem, I think, to have, But
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: how would you solve it?
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the question that I've really been wrestling with
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: the most throughout the summer and some of the things
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: that we've been writing. I wrote about a couple of
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: weeks ago. I wrote about just the wide receivers and
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: what does that distribution look like? And look, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: and you mentioned all these names and the one that
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: I've got a sneaking hunch that at the end of
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: the season, the number one receiver is going to be
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: Larry Simmons. And he showed a lot at the end
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: of the year, and he had a great spring, and
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: he's a guy that I think that when Dancer's in trouble,
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: who is the number one guy that he's going to
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: go to When he's in trouble, and and I think
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: that Simmons is going to be that guy. There's that chemistry.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: And then Ricky Johnson, you know, the guy that had
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: the big spring. You mentioned Bray that Morgan Scalley called
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: him out multiple times as maybe having the best camp
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: of anyone. So yeah, there are a lot of guys
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: in terms of weapons, and it is a good problem
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: to have. The problem is there's only one football, So
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: how do you keep everybody happy? And that's going to
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: be a big challenge for Kevin mcgiven and for coach
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Bump and and for all those guys across that offensive staff.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: Answer your question, yeah, I look, you're gonna want out
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: of that quarterback position. And I think seventy two snaps
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: offensive snaps the game is probably a fair number. That's
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: about what you're going to see, I think, and you're
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: gonna want what twenty percent of those going staying with
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: the quarterback position. I think that with the passing game,
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: you'll want a good fifty percent of those. I think
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: Morgan really wants that fifty to fifty balance in the
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: run and pass, and so fifty percent of those snaps
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: are going to the passing game. So what that gives
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: you what thirty five or thirty six, thirty seven throws
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: a game. That's a lot of throws. It's more throws
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: than what we saw last season. And I think there's
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: an opportunity to just distribute the ball and get multiple
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: guys involved. I don't necessarily think you're going to see
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: anybody that's going to touch close to a thousand yards,
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: with the exception of maybe Wayshan and and he is
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: a guy that needs twenty touches a game. It's he's
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: too big of a threat, he's too big of a weapon.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: And and I think that you can use Bray as
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: a as a change of pace kind of guy and
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: work in the Nate Johnson's of the world, or or
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: working Hunter Andrews as a big back and running him
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: in that you know, that orbit orbit motion and doing
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: the handoff. But it's it's tough. It is a like
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: you said, it's a great problem to have. There are
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: a lot of guys that are going to be highly
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: capable when they get the ball, and so it's a
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: matter of how do you keep people happy, how do
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: you keep defenses on their heels and keep them guessing
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: and put your guys in the best possible position to succeed,
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: and I think that the thing that Utah does have
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: in their favor with that is who is behind center,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: especially when it's stands here behind center, I think he is.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: We only saw a portion of what he can do.
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: He was he wasn't healthy at all last year. The
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: UCLA game basically was the game where he was the
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: most healthy, and then he basic battled through things for
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: the entire year. Fans haven't see just how good he
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: can be as a passer and certainly as a runner.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: He wasn't as explosive, and still he had a great
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: year and a good enough year to have extremely high
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: expectations this year. So with him behind center, with him
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: making decisions, with him looking for ways to exploit the defense,
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: I have a lot of confidence that he's a guy
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: that can get it done. And Ficklin this in the
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: same regard. I think we're going to see both quarterbacks
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: on the field at the same time, maybe as many
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: as five to ten snaps a game, and I think
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: that they're going to do some preative things with that,
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: and it should be a lot of fun to watch
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Kevin mc given. If I'm in his shoes. I'm really
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: excited about all the tools that I have to work with.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: We're only a week away.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Just stay strong for another six and a half days, Dan,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: and and we're there.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and like you said, we'll start to get some
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: reality on what's actually happening. There's a lot of speculation,
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: there's a lot to be excited about. Everybody's undefeated in
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: fall camp at least. But yeah, it's I couldn't be
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: more excited for we're a fall camp and for a
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: start of a college football season. I just have a
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: sneaking suspicion the Morgan scallle Era is going to be
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: special and there is a real opportunity to start things
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: out with a bang.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Last thing before I let you go.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: You can't say, b Yu, what's the scariest game on
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: the schedule for this University of Utah football team at Arizona.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Arizona's going to be good. Now we'll November, right. There's
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: a lot that happens between now and then if somebody
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: gets hurt, either for Utah or for Arizona. But that
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: at Arizona and frankly the at TCU, because TCU is
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: going to be a wild card. They could very well
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: be like in Arizona State a couple of years ago,
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: coming out of nowhere and pushing for or winning or
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: winning the title. So it's going to be a I
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: don't think that everything we saw in the Big twelve
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: last year is going to translate this year, and Arizona
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: and TCU or two of those games that I think
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: have a chance to step up from what they did.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: We'll see you up there soon. Appreciate you giving us
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: some time today, Dan, Thank.
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: You, it's a pleasure. Thanks for having me on.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: It's Dan Sorenson, Managing editor publisher over at Ute zoneute
• 55:16
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• 55:23
  Speaker 3: out there. All right, we'll double up here when we
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: come back. We're gonna answer that same question. You're gonna
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: help me. We're gonna talk it out. Let's say we've
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: got seventy two snaps on offense per game. Who are
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: you giving the touches to? We'll distribute. It's a Shawn
• 55:40
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• 55:43
  Speaker 5: Very on.
• 55:47
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• 55:48
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• 56:09
  Speaker 3: All right leaning heavy into Utah football today, a week
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: away from camps, starting at a great conversation with Dan Sorenson,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: check him out at you Zone. We got Stevenson, Sylvester
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Sly coming up in our one o'clock hour. We got
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: some interesting things to handle here in the daily dump
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: coming up. Let's spend some time in the noon hour
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out the good problem.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: That Utah football has right now.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: All right, and while I say all of this, we
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: have to allow for the fact that there's at least
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: a name or two that when we get to the
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: mid season you're gonna want to see touch the ball more.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: And conversely, when we get to mid season, there's gonna
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: be a couple of guys that all of us are
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: complaining about and saying, don't throw the ball to him anymore,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: don't hand the ball to that guy anymore, don't let
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: that guy touch it anymore.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Right, Because the Tobias Merriweather Award, in other words, harsh
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: but fair.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Right, if we rewind, if you go back to July
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: twenty seventh, twenty twenty five, we were talking about the
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Utah wide receiver room as a big question mark, right,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: and we were saying that, Okay, well, who do you have.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Who's the guy that could stretch the defense, who's the
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: guy that could take the top off. And everybody's answer was, Oh,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: it's this Tobias Merriweather, cat, big body, elite recruit when
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: he came out of high school, speed demon.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: In the transfer portal this year, Kevin McGibbon getting the
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: new job was just like, let's let's make sure that
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: we add I don't know, four wide receivers not a
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: finished product that room when they got here, and I
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: think they did as good a job as you're going
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: to in the transfer portal at receiver at Utah. All right,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: if I'm a running back, I'm looking at all the
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Utah running backs going back through and I'm just being like, heck, yeah,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: I want to play there. This team likes to run
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: the ball. I've got a great shot of being a
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: thousand yard rusher, even if the last even if last
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: year's guy didn't do it, I've got a great shot.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Based on the history the reputation, everything else. And I'm
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: even doing that if I hear Kyle Whittingham's interviews, Oh
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: he's leaving crap. Well, what's this Morgan Scalley guy about?
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Now I start to look at Morgan Scalley and I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: he's gonna run the football right wide receiver far less
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: of a guaranteed. Now, I love that these receivers. Obviously
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: they're guys who know Kevin mcgiven, which helps out a lot,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: But these wide receivers are like, yeah, that guy helped
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: me achieve more success at this position at smaller schools
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: than I thought was going to be possible. I'm gonna
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: follow him him to a big school now, and I'm
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: going to follow him to a place that has not one,
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: but two really fascinating quarterbacks, and we're going to hit
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: the ground running. So how do you make sure that
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: those guys get the touches that they need? How do
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: you make sure that everyone on this offense, including your
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: backup quarterback, which is a problem that no other team
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: in college football has. No other team in college football
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: is going into the season going how many touches are
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: we gonna give our backup quarterback?
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: They're they're hoping, and in recent years in Utah football history,
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: we are one of the one of those schools too,
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: hoping that you don't have to give any touches to
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: your quarterback.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Every coach is like, please, don't make my backup quarterback
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: play the game.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Utah.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: We got to a point where it's just like, you
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: know what, even if it goes down to number two,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: will be okay. Just don't make us give number five
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: any touches this year.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Luke Pattari.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Shout out to the Ferrari by the way, you by
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: the way, for a number five did really well. I mean,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: it's funny because we're like, Wow, this Utah quarterback room
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: this year is in such a good spot. They're actually
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: at a pretty darn good spot when your fifth string
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: quarterback can start a game for you and actually complete
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: a pass. But it was it's neither here nor there.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I'm knocking on wood, I'm throwing salt, I'm doing all
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: the things. I don't want that bad juju around this
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: football team, but it is. It is a question when
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: you're talking about touches, right, if you're putting it in
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: your spreadsheet, Okay, I got seventy two offensive touches a game.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: If you're going fast, you can get more than that.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: But let's just pretend that we're gonna stay pretty rounded.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Figure here, you got seventy two. If you go by
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: the face value conversation with the coaching staff there, I go, okay, Well,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: thirty six of those are run plays, all right, So
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: let's say thirty six passing plays.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Thirty six passes are going out per game? How many passes,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: now you're not going to complete all of them, of course.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: How many passes of those thirty six are going to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Kyrie Scholes? You like what you see on film? You
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: have no idea if he can do it at the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: power four level. I feel like I'm very confident he
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: will and can. But we're talking week two against Arkansas.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: How many of those thirty six passes are you directing
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Kyrie Shol's way? What about Creed Wittemore right slot receiver type?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Dadrid Zipper has paid his dues in this program, and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: he's a speedster, and if he's healthy, he's interesting. How
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: many are you going to him? Braidon Pegan is the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: biggest body receiver you've got Braidon Pegan was the answer to,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, we lost JJ Buchanan. That's terrible for us. Well, okay,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not happy about it either. But I'm looking at
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Braydon Pegan and I'm saying he's the same size with
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: more production. I was a little older, So eventually could
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: JJ Buchanan outpace that?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: Sure?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: But from a one year sample to one year sample,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: which is all you can really worry about. All right, Now,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: I have a big body receiver. I can throw jump
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: balls his way. Nate Johnson is not even listed as
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: a wide receiver on this team. He's listed as an athlete.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: He's at next to his name, yea ath elite. Are
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: you giving him touches in fly sweeps, which is technically
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: a run. Are you letting him catch screen passes, which
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: is of course a pass.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Are you having him run a nine route? Just go
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: behind the defense?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: And Devin Dan Pierre actually has both legs under him
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: this year, so he can throw the ball fifty yards
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: down field and we'll let you run.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: Under it, or certainly if Devin, because that was you know,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: you just mentioned again the the lower body injuries that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: that Devin was playing through.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: But will.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: It remains to be seen just how much arm strength
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: he has. What we do know certainly is that Bird
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: Fickland has has great arm strengths. So when and you
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: don't want to do that, You don't want to tip
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: the defense's hand there. Whenever Bird's in the game, Nate
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: Johnson's gonna go deep. But that's an option for you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: when birds in the game.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: You just brought up one of the really interesting I'm
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: calling them problems.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: They're not actually problems.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: They're good problems, right, I'm calling them problems because that's
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: the vernacular we have. But you brought up another layer
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: to this, James. If we have decided that there are
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: thirty six pass plays happening in an average Utah football game,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: how many of those thirty six passes are you giving
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: to Bird Ficklin.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because in.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: A regular game, in a not oh, Dev sprained his ankle, so.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: You got to put Bird in.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about an ideal situation. How many times is
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: it Bird Fickland throwing the ball? Is it two? Is
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: it ten? It's not half of the half. You're not
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: giving him eighteen of those attempts, right, He's.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Gonna because you're absolutely right, because he's going, we get
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: we will assume that he's going to have a lot
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: of quarterback runs when he has his bird Fickland package.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Okay, So again I appreciate you always dropping
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: in and because then I get to be like, well,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: hold on.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's not Maybe we shouldn't assume that.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Because look, let's say you want to make a real
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: big splash against Arkansas, and let's say you want to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: make a real big splash against BYU, and you're just like, Okay.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Bird Fickland's in the game.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Everyone on those defenses, based on what they've seen right now,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: is going to be like, all right, let's cheat into
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: the box a little bit, especially out at the edges,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: and we're gonna make sure that this bird Fickland kid,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: who's so good at f finding space and so good
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: as good as a quarterback, is going to be at
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: running through like at least minimal contact.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: And you're going, all right, this is gonna be a run.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: This is gonna be a run.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: This is gonna be a run, because based on film,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: the vast majority of his contributions have been in the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: run game. And then like he has such a live
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: arm and accuracy is always something that should increase from
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: freshman year to sophomore year. Right, So let's say if
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: you're Kevin McGibbon, you're just like, here's what we're gonna do.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Bird.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: You're gonna catch a shotgun snap, you're going to tuck
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: the ball. You're gonna do a run fake, or you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: take two steps forward. You're gonna pull up because he's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: a little taller than dev so you can throw when
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: he's a little bit closer to the line of scrimmage.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: You're gonna pull up and you're gonna rifle that thing
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: forty yards downfield, and Nate Johnson is gonna be right there,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: or Kyrie Sholz is gonna be right there. Now we're
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: just like, oh, the defense caught slipping. The safeties were
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: cheating up, thinking they got the read, thinking they didn't
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: want to be like the many people who got posterized
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: by this young fool. And now he throws it behind him,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: and what a rope that thing was, and now everyone's cheering.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Everyone's freaking out. You could probably only fool people for
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: like four reps six plays before everyone's just like, okay,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: you got to play him like you play every other
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: quarterback in the league. But again it goes back to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: these seventy two touches problem. How many are Bird Ficklin
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: and how many are Bird Fickland passing versus running? Because
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: when he runs the ball, he's effective. When he passes
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: the ball, he could be equally or even more devastatingly
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: effective if you've got them in the right situation. And
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: of course you've still got to let Devin Dan Pierre
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: get into a rhythm with his arm, so you can't
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Not only do you have to ask yourself how many
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: times am I letting Bird Fickland touch the ball?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: And what's it going to look like?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: You have to think about the timeliness of those plays, like,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, Devin just completed three in a row.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Out you come in, goes Bird.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: You're gonna be oh no, that was a bad idea
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: because we just interrupted some rhythm here. Potentially, there's all
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: of these questions that Utah has to answer and and honestly,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: they're really really fun things to speculate on.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: But let's go back to the receivers for a second.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: Here I threw a tangent there.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: It'll just be fascinating.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: The last thing I'll say about it just be fascinating
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: to see all the things that Kevin mcgiven will try
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: with this, you know, for lack of a better word, two
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: quarterback system, even though it's not necessarily gonna be that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: heavy with both quarters.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, is it? Is it Chris Leek, Tim Tebow?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Is it something less than that? Is it something more
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: than that? Is it Devin? I mean, I don't know
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: if we're gonna get it, but my ESPN my uh
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: my NCAA Football twenty twenty seven dream is shotgun snap
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: with Devin standing at the quarterback position, but not He's
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: standing behind the guard and Bird Ficklin is standing behind
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: the other guard. They look like a traditional flex bone, like, hey,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: here we are two running backs behind the quarterback, but
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: there's no quarterback under center. I want it to be
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: that's my weird, Like that'd be so fun because if
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: you're a defensive coordinator, you're just like, what, you don't
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: know what, you know who, you don't know who's catching
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: the snap, and then the other guy just runs like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: a little screen, runs a little flair, and of course
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: everyone's just like, oh, it's it's going to the quarterback.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Who doesn't get the snap and he's option.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: He's the checkdown, right, because everyone's gonna run into the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: flat thinking that well, Devin Dampier is going to pass
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: it to Bird Fickland or Bird Fickland's gonna pass it
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: to Devin dan Pierre. And now you've got everyone else
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: open behind the defense. Of course, it takes away a
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: blocker potentially. I just I love that idea having two
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the game at the same time. You could
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: do it if you wanted to. For the University of
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Utah eight seven seven three five three zero, seven hundred
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: seventy two touches. Give me numbers, give me percentages. Just
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: we're just starting with the quarterbacks here, okay, I mean
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: with the sorry with the wide receivers here, Kyrie Sholz
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Creed with a more Dadrin Zipperer, Larry Simmons. Do we
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: put Ricky Johnson in there because a lot of coaches
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: have been mentioned in Ricky Johnson.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: It's true he got name dropped quite a bit in
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: the spring. Do we put Mona.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: Carvalio in there because he's a return specialist, But return
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: specialist do a good job there so that they can
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: then become more featured in the offense.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: That'll be an interesting that'd be an interesting thing to
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: watch if he makes some strides as a receiver in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: fall camp, could be another yet another, probably smaller weapon
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: in the passing game. But the more options the better
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: in the passing game. You remember Drew Brees on the Saints.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Oh see you had Marcus Colston was was the on
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: paper number one receiver for a long time, but like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: ten different guys caught passes every game. It seemed like
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: with that, that and that was one of the best
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: passing games in the NFL. Even if Utah, the more
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: options for Utah the better to kind of jump start
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: their pass Yeah, here's here's an exercise, James. I'm gonna
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: read you names, and you're gonna tell me of my
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: seventy two reps of my thirty six passing reps.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: You as a Utah football fan, and by the way,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: James is an Ohio State football fan, so he's a
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: neutral enough party. He's the right person to ask this. Yeah, Okay,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna read you a name and you're gonna it's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: like roar shock test its initial reaction word association. Yes,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: he must get a touch. You must throw the ball
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: his way in a game or not. Okay, are you ready?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: I'm ready, Kyrie Schulz, Yes, Creedmore, yes, Dadrian Zipperer.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: So I'll say this everyone around me that I trust,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: including you. And we heard coaching staff saying he's got
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: immense talent. I've yet to see it, though, which makes mecalitate.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: So I'm gonna say so, not a must, not a musk.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Not a must.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, So right now we have two must okay, Braydon Pagan, yes,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: of course, Mona Carballo in the passing game.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: We're in the passing game. Okay, not a must. Ricky Johnson,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say no for now, but like Zipperer, not
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: be surprised if he becomes that. That's fine. Larry Simmons, yes, okay,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: there's four. Tobias Meriwether. No, is he still on the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: roster that okay.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Matt Clark, I don't know exactly with him.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: So no, Peyton Rice, no, Junior Coughlin no, yeah, these
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: last few yeah no, br Bryson Baker, no Max Osmas No.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: All right, So there are four wide receivers.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: And potential I will say potential for six because those
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: other two. Ricky Johnson and Dadrian Zipper. A lot of
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: people are saying they're they're gonna be a big part
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: of things.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, but four to six, there's four wide receivers that
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: you must get a touch for. And and if you
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: if you must get one touch, right, you probably must
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: get more than one touch.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're gonna go with four guys that must
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: get let's say at least three targets.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and that's on the low end.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: So now you've got twelve passes that must go to
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: those four people at the very very barest minimum. Okay,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: that's just the wide receivers, Hunter Andrews.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Are we going with the other pass catchers? You know? Yeah?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: What about what about Will Money? People have been talking
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: about Will Money.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say no again just because I I want
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: to see guys act. I want to see guys prove
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: it before I in the off season, before the season.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Go. Yeah, they must get stuff. So I'm gonna say
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: no for now.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, Bear Fisher, the freshman tight end who they're very
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: very high on, I'm gonna take this one out of
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: your hands.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: You must integrate that.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: Guy, yeah I would, Yeah, Okay, Noah, Benny, There's there's
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: a lot of more there's a lot more unknowns in
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: the in the tight end here. But and maybe it's
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: just because of the pedigree thing here, and I'm I'm thinking,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: well he could if he's like Jack and get him
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: the ball, I'll say, yeah, okay for him?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Uh and what about what about the rhinos and send
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: me tell long though? Well Semi, I mean, come on,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: that's a yes, all right. So now we're up to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: eight people, yes for both of them, but for Semi. Yeah,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: we're up to eight.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: People in the passing game who we think need a
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: touch two.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: The tight ends are tougher though, because Hunter Andrews is
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: the only quote unquote experienced guy and he's not that
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: experienced with that. So yeah, a lot to prove it,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: a lot of need to prove it in that room.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Can we make an assumption that at least you're gonna
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: throw at least a pass two running backs as well?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: So especially uh so there's Daniel Bray, especially like way
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: Shawn Parker is gonna catch one in a checkdown, Daniel
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: Bray is gonna be a primary receiver on a player too. Yeah, right,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: I mean I think Nate Johnson is he's not an athlete.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: He's he's listed his athletes, so he's gonna be running
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: back slash wide receiver primarily. He's he's gonna get I
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: think he's probably gonna be a must this year too
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: in the in limited capacity because he's not out there
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: near as many snaps as the tight ends and receivers
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: that we already named. So when you add Nate Johnson in,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: we're at a nice round ten people that must touch
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: the ball in the passing game every game. And there
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: were a couple that were just like, well, maybe we'll
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: wait and see what's gonna happen here, right, And realistically,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: this is all the speculative front on things like you're
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna leave a lot of games next year
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: where your tight ends are gonna have three total catches
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: between all the tight ends and most of them are
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: gonna be just a one guy. But this is this
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: is the thing, This is the question that the coaching
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: staff will jump into football camp with two weeks to answer,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: because once you get past that two weeks, you're doing
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: game prep.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: You're doing install for the actual game. The position battles
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: you want them to be solved mostly in the first
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: two weeks, right, and we knock on wood because we
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: want prime health for everyone in this program the entire
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: way through. But man, that's just the passing game, and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: then we can we could do the same exercise in
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: the run game. There that one's easier. There are fewer
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: there are fewer rushing options really, but because you have
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: a backup quarterback who backup's not even really the right
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: way to characterize bird Ficklin. I don't think anymore like
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: other quarterbacks. You have a second quarterback. Yeah, where he's.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: Gonna be like they probably will have them both out
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: on the field quite a bit of time this year.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: He's going to be out there with Devon out of
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: the game when Devn's not injured, like you said, like
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: he's not, he's not gonna be a backup quarterback.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I think you're you're totally right on that.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: So okay, I'm looking at let's just go to a
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: really good We'll take Arizona State just to because the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: Arizona State game was a was a great game for
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: Utah last year. Right, we liked that game. Everybody eight
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. You look
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: at a forty two to ten victory over Arizona State,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: and you say, yeah, that was an awesome game for
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: Utah football. And let's look at how the stat breakdown
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: occurred in that game. Okay, in that game, you gave
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: twelve total passes to Devin Dampierre. So I'm sitting here
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: operating on a thirty six pass like seventy two offensive
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: reps per game, thirty six of those are going to
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: be passes.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I'm out of my mind.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: In a forty two to ten victory last year, Utah
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: gave Devin Dampierre twelve passes. They gave Bird Fickland one.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: They passed the ball thirteen times in the whole game
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: against Arizona State.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: It was such a dominant rushing performance on offense and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: the defense you only give up ten points. The defense
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: helped helped the helped out the offense quite a bit too.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: So in fact, so Utah Utah had fifty Maybe this
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: is a bad game to go. They had fifty five
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: offensive plays in this game.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: That's low.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Arizona State had seventy eight and Utah had fifty five.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe look at the maybe the Cincinnati game that was
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: another forty to something.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: That was forty five to fourteen.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Forty five to fourteen, boy, and I believe that was
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Bird Fickland starting for Devon, right, No, Devon damp here,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: Bird Fickland didn't.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: It was a different It's Colorado that So Devon threw
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: the ball thirty one times against Cincinnati. So this one, okay,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: So forty two points against Arizona State on fifty something plays,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: forty five points for Utah on eighty four plays in
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: this game. So it's just total other extreme. It's why,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: it's why you use seventy two is like an average? Yeah, right,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: you know what. Here's what I'm gonna do. What is
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: the closest barn burnerists slug it outest game of Utah
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: football's schedule last year. It's gonna hurt me to pull
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: it up, but it The BYU game was their most competitive,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: back and forth, punch fest type game that.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: Utah played well in on the offensive side of the ball, absolutely, yeah,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: played well enough anyway.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: So there were seventy three offensive reps in this game.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Look at that.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Devin damp Pierre threw the ball thirty six times, all right.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Daniel Bray ran the ball ten times. Devin dam Pier
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: ran it fifteen times, Bird Fickland ran it three times,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: way Sean Park ran it eight times, and.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: N Carrie Rodgers touched it once for two yards.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: Of those thirty six passes, Ryan Davis caught seven, Dallon
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Bentley caught four, and then it was no more than
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: two for any of the other wide receivers. So those
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: one or two touch people that we were going through
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: in the wide receiver room and that we talked about
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: in the running back room, that's how it goes. When
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: you throw thirty passes, you only catch twenty of them, you.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Only catch twenty five of them. On a good day.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: If you're thirty of thirty six, that's a stellar passing
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: day for this offense. So as we're talking about distributing
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: touches and carries. Conversely, in that game right by you
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: ran the ball forty two times and passed it twenty
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: four times.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: They ran LJ. Martin twenty six times.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: In that game, their bell cow back was bell cow
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: back twenty six times. Our Utah's bell cow back didn't
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: exist in this game. They didn't run it that way,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: they didn't play it that way. So the way that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: these things break out absolutely is on a game by
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: game basis, But you can't go game by game until
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: you know what you've got talent wise. So if I'm
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: Kevin mcgiven, if I'm this Utah offense, I'm creating these spreadsheets,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: these hypotheticals for myself, and I'm saying, all right, how
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: many times do I think I want to see Kyrie
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: Sholz get the ball in his hands. We got to
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: throw it to him eight times, so we can catch
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: at least five or six and then see what happens there.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, take that off.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: We threw the ball to him eight times, so now
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: there's twenty eight left to hand out.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Who are we given the other? All right?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I want Pagan to get at least eight also targets.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: All right, Now, you got twenty left to distribute. Where
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: are you giving the other twenty?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: Well, let's stay with the wide receiver Simmons. Man, he
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: really toe taps for us along the sidelines. Let's make
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: sure he gets at least five targets. Now you're down
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: to fifteen, and it really like you have to be
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: parsimonious with these things, these these gold coins you're handing
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: out to your playmakers. You run out fast, We'll keep
• 1:22:26
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• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: opportunity to ask coaches, players, et cetera. We'll ask him
• 1:22:33
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• 1:22:36
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• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: mounts like we did. We saw with the the Cam
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: Rising years and it's just like, okay, well you don't.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: You can't give any more touches to Brant Keithy because
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: he's out.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: You can't have Cam Rising running the football, even though
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: he's really good at it.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: So he's out.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: So hey, Makai Bernard, guess what you're gonna touch the
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: ball thirty eight times a game because the only guy
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: we know Brittan Covey. I hope you feel good, Bud,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: because we're giving you fifteen targets.
• 1:23:08
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  Speaker 3: unionize college football it would make sense that academically bent
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  Speaker 3: institution like Stanford would be a place to do it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious to see how this develops. Also, little local
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  Speaker 3: plays for Stanford, is a I think sophomore rising sophomore.
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not quite certain because now you could play
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  Speaker 1: So keep an eye on it.
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  Speaker 3: Stanford getting on board early. Potentially the Green Bay Packers
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  Speaker 3: in case you wanted to know what the economics of
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  Speaker 3: the NFL actually look like for the ownership. The Packers
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: are a collectively owned right. They're a community asset, and
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: it's easier to find their tax records than anyone else's.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Did you see the number.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: Of NFL revenue reported by the Packers tax return from
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: the NFL. This is before parking. This is before merchandise sales.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: In like the local shops, at least This is before
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: ticket sales. This has nothing to do with lambeau Field
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: being a profitable venue. This is the Packers revenue distribution
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: from the NFL. Did you see the number? I did
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: not see it. You want to take a guess because if,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: by the way, if the Packers get this much, that
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: means every team in the league gets this much.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: If you're an owner, that's what you get.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: This is like probably from TV money, and that like
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: just the ever the money that everyone shares.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the it's the collective pool of NFL revenue
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: that then is handed out to the teams. It's gotta
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: be in the hundred millions, like they make so much
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: money off that stuff. And it's thirty two teams relatively
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: low number when you talk about billions of dollars, So
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: I at least two hundred million.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: I would say four.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty three million dollars.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: So if you own an NFL.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: Team distribution, that's thirty two teams at four fifty three
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: that's just shy of fifteen billion dollars of league revenue
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: being shared amongst the teams. But and then you got
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: your gate from ticket sales at the at your stadiums
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: you got, you got the money from concessions and merchandise,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: Like obviously there's high expenses on these on these teams too,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: but you're, I mean, you're doing really well if you're
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: an NFL owner, just from your NFL team. So two
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: hundred and two hundred and ninety nine almost three hundred
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: million dollars generated through ticketing, local sponsorships, pro shop sales,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: et cetera by the Packers, four hundred and fifty three
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: million from the NFL's league wide distribution, so that that
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: totals seven hundred and fifty three million dollars.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Man, the net has got to be like that's I
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: would think it would be very hard to not come
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: out extremely profitable when you have that kind of revenue
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: that you're bringing in. So, I mean the pay rolls
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: and the coaches, the coaches salaries and all that front
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: office salaries are still really high though.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we decided seven hundred and fifty three million
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: was the cost of sorry, was the total revenue for
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: the Packers, right, Yeah, So that's probably similar in a
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: lot of places. I'm sure there are some that have
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: less local income, yeah, and there are some that have
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: more and possibly more ticket sales to Green Bay because
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: Lambeau is like a bucket list place to go. But
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: still I think it probably nets out.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: All comes out in the wash.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: I imagine it's probably a pretty average total income number.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: The NFL salary cap is three hundred million, So player
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: salaries are going to cost you that. Okay, So chop
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: off that three hundred million. Now you're back down to
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: the revenues distribution, and the revenue distribution from the NFL.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: Now you're talking four hundred and fifty million. Let's assume
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: that there's another one hundred plus of that being handed
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: out in salaries to coaches, coaching staffs, GM, you know,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: the team doctor, all that kind of stuff. Now we're
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: talking about three hundred and fifty million. Potentially. You got
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: to pay your operating costs. You got to pay your
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: you know, got a chart of those flights, baby. You
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: gotta lights on at Lambeau, Gotta keep the lights on.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: You gotta have the practice facility and all that.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I mean. So it's it's a lot.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: It's expensive the packers, and again, there's a lot of
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: ways that you can make it look like you're not
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: profiting a ton because the more you profit, the more
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: you have to pay in tax. The Packers' financial records
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: show that, uh, they actually operate at a loss, which wow,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: I am not buying even for one half of one second.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: According to the Packers, it's uh seven hundred and fifty
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: four million dollars to operate a seven hundred and fifty
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: three million dollars NFL team, So they're conveniently right on
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: par with that one million dollar loss somewhat so very conveniently.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: Breaking even practically, I mean, in million dollars is a lot,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: but you're they're almost breaking even relatively like that.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: The net income that's being reported by the Packers is
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty two million dollars, which comes from
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: non operating investment gains and assets whatever.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: That means that they.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Probably can't get taxed heavily on Okay, great, I mean
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: fourteen point five billion dollars in shared NFL revenue, So
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: if you own an NFL team or a portion of
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: an NFL team, you're getting either all of or a
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: portion of four hundred and fifty three million from the NFL,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: which is up five percent from last year, and if
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: it goes up five percent next year.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it? I mean, yikes. Yeah.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: One other thing to keep in mind as to why
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: they would maybe allegedly move some things around to look
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: like they're offering at a lot operating at a loss.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: It helps collective bargaining. Hey, we're not making We can't
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  Speaker 4: give you an increase.
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  Speaker 1: Look at we're we're losing money. I lost a million
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: dollars last year.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, you want me to you want me to pay
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: fifty million dollars this year? Patrick Mahomes, I lost a
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: million dollars. I would love to. I can't do it.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, give me a break, Yeah, give you a
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: break with jinks. We both real And here's here's my
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: number one takeaway on this. Okay, Look, it's a massive risk,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: and you have taken probably one hundred of those massive
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: risks along the way to being able to, like at
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: least flirt with affording an NFL franchise. Right, but now
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: you can pencil in that you're getting four hundred plus
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: million dollars of revenue every year coming your way. You're
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: getting a check for four hundred million dollars, and yet, unabashedly,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: every single one of these ownership groups James. When it's
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: time to upgrade their facilities, what do they do? I needed,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: you know what, public money we got to build this
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: two billion dollar stadium. But I can't afford it. Didn't
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: you just get a four hundred and fifty million dollar check. Yeah,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: but I operated at a loss anyway.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see our net loss though? And we're not profitable.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: That's ridiculous. Uh, just looked it up for you. By
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: the way, Bo Tait is Steve Tates's son. Yeah, he
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: is a red shirt sophomore for for Stanford this season.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: So all right, shout out shadow. Does that mean it's
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: his third year? Yeah?
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: I guess so, because red shirt. And maybe this could
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: be we're in that weird time of year. It could
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: be that their website has last year's eligibility status still
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: and it's not going to be till next week that
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: they'll have this year. But right now go Stanford dot
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: Com shows him as a red shirt sophomore Corner Canyon
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: guy too. Surprise surprise, another a great player coming out
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: of corner Canyon one.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: He's actually was an Olympus skyline then corner can Okay,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: another surprise, another shot that he played multiple high schools
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: and finished at Corner Camp. All right, I want to
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  Speaker 3: make sure we talk about this, your Utah Talents.
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  Speaker 4: Baby just saw, just saw Briellis Utah Town on Star
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  Speaker 4: on Sports Center.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, congrats to Sydney bau Malone and the rest of
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  Speaker 3: that team. Their first year as residents here in Salt
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  Speaker 3: Lake City. Second year in a row after the Barnstorming
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  Speaker 3: championship last year, your Utah Talons AUSL champs.
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  Speaker 4: Back to back champs. Let's go back to back dynasty.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: Is it too early to call them a dynasty in
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: the AUSL? I mean two years, two championships?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Is it too early to call them a dynasty?
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  Speaker 3: Because if any other team had won one hundred percent
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: of their league's championships, you would tynasty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It reminds me another women's sports league the late nineties,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: the Houston Comets, which came back came back into existence
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: this WNBA season. They won the first four WNBA championships
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: ninety seven to two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: So it's something about these these women's.
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  Speaker 1: Sports leagues get.
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  Speaker 4: You get the same team winning all the championships in
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: the first few years.
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  Speaker 3: All right, great work by the talons. Go out and
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: get your talons gear.
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  Speaker 1: It's cool. The colorway is good.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like a darker green but very similar
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: to the Oakland Athletics colorways. So green and green and
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: gold and great logo with the predatory bird the raptor
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: eye with a talon as the eyebrow sort of.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: Thing, A good way to describe it. And yeah, I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: think so.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a it's another another Utah Pro Sports team
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: doing a great job of staying away from Oh, that
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: looks too much like b YU that looks too much
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: like Utah. They're going the neutral green, the neutral green
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: color with the talons green and gold and little black
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: accent colors like it's a it's a great color way
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: in that regard as well.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: Wow, Utah Valley Wolverines are mad at you for calling
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  Speaker 3: their cos That's true, not bad, My bad, uv U.
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  Speaker 4: For forgot about yeah, in the building. I've just gotten
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: huge trouble here, But yeah, I forgot about the the
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: huge contingent of fans there that are like, we're as
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: big as b y U and Utah's fan base.
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  Speaker 3: News cycle moves fast and I get that this is
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: a few days old. Now, we were all holding our
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: breath and waiting, Where's Lebron James gonna go?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Where's Lebron James gonna go?
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: Lebron James is going to Philly, which is the least
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: interesting of all the possible outcomes in my opinion, It's
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: not this full circle fairy tale story. I'm going back
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: home and I'm going to finish my career in front
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: of the people who who gave me life as a
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: basketball player. It's not I'm going to reunite with an
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: old coach and once again chase championship glory in Miami, where,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: for better or worse, I had an extremely high level
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: of success, and now I'm turning is a more mature
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: individual with an announcement that makes more more sense for everybody.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: And I'm gonna team up with another guy so i
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: can say once again I played alongside one of the
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: best to ever do it in Giannis.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to a place.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: That has never won a title and is not really
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: considered to be one of those teams like a traditional
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: championship market. I'm not going to elevate Minnesota to something
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: that they've never seen before.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: And I'm not choosing what basically basketball and Nirvana to
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: play alongside Steph Curry.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not going to create this formidable lineup
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: of old man's old man rivers that are going to
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: take out all these young cats and show them the
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: tricks of the trade and that we don't have to
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: play like above the rim basketball in the West in
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: order to win big I'm not golfing with my buddy
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: every week. I'm going to Philadelphia and I'm putting all
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: my eggs in a Joe l mbad basket. I think
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: that this and maybe I'm hoping for this because it's
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: the one I wanted to happen least. And all I
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: care about is my own opinions on things. I'm looking
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: at this and saying it could be so dramatic, such
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: as soap opera in Philadelphia. Because whether you love Lebron
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: or hate him, Lebron has played innumerable games in less
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: than perfect physical conditions. He does a great job of
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: keeping himself healthy. But there have been many, many, many, many,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: many many many Lebron James games where he's got an
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: issue physically that could justifiably take him out of a game. Now,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of those games didn't happen in Salt Lake City. Obviously,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: he would always take advantage of the rest when he's
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: coming to play against the Utah Jazz. But now he's
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: gonna go team up with the guy who is literally
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: out fifty percent of the time. Joel Embiid. We did
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: this how long ago? Several months ago? We did We
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: looked it up. Joel Embiid has played half a career.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was either a little over half of the
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: games played or a little under half of the possible
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: games played. That it's it's like either forty nine or
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: forty nine points something percent or fifty points something percent.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Like it's that even.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: And now Lebron James, who is not the iron man
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: that John stocked In or Karl Malone was, but he's
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: like kind of an iron man.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he he up in.
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  Speaker 4: There's been like maybe four seasons where he's played less
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: than seventy games.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: A percentage of total career games played by Lebron James.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: I typed that in wrong. I'll figure out the actual percentage.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: But he hasn't sat out a lot. And now he's
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: going to teep himself up with a guy who's never available.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: He's more street closed than street clothes himself. Joel m
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: be This That to me is the weirdest thing about
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: this whole decision from Lebron James, because I'm all, I'm
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: all in favor of being like, yeah, I'm gonna go
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: try to win another championship. The other championship is what
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: I'm really here for. And he could sit down and
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: be like, dude, why would I care about a reunion?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: Why would I care about coming back to Cleveland. I've
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: got a school in Cleveland, I got homes in Cleveland,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: I got family in Cleveland.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: I don't need basketball in Cleveland.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: Again, Lebron could make a better counterpoint to any of
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: my points, but the one that he would have a
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: heart I would have a hard time getting over is
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: why did you choose to put your eggs in the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: basket of someone who is selling them available? Maybe Lebron
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: James thinks with me around, with my positive influence, with
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: me giving him some old man tips and tricks, and
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: bringing my massage therapist and my physical therapist and my
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: trainer into the orbit of Joel Embiid, we can keep
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: him on the floor a little bit more.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe it will work.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: I can see myself looking at a situation where Lebron
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: James is rolling his eyes an awful lot about how
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: how much time Joel Embiid has to miss.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: Well in the we heard Jalen Brown's loud criticism about
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: how much Joel Embiid flops too, and knowing he's literally
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: if he is exaggerating, which all NBA players exaggerate to
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: get calls, if he's exaggerating an ordinate amount, and he's
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: already that injury prone, and Lebron James has an even
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: closer seat and he knows for sure, like, dude, you don't.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: You didn't have to exaggerate on those five extra plays there,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: and you shouldn't because you should probably not hit the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: floor very much because you're getting hurt all the time
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: that that will probably cause some tension there. By the way,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: eighty six percent of his games played is Lebron James's Okay, I.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: Just looked up Joel Embiid. Joel Embiid is just under
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: fifty one percent. Okay, so it's eighty six percent, and
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: I was off.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: He's had six seasons where he hasn't where he's played
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: less than seventy games, not including the twenty twelve season,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: which was shortened. He played every possible game that season
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: it was only sixty two, but not including that, when
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: it's only six seasons, one of them was sixty nine,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: so he basically played seven.
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  Speaker 3: Sylvester Slide joins us next previewing Utah Football Camp, which
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  Speaker 3: begins one week from today. It's a Sean O'Connell show
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  Speaker 1: AFM. Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Time for little Utah Football Camp preview with a legend
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: of this Utah football program one of the all time
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  Speaker 3: best linebackers to do it in the Crimson Stevens and
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  Speaker 3: Sylvester Sly here on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 1: Sly welcome. How are you sir?
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  Speaker 5: Oh see what's good man?
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: A week from football camp?
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: Take me back to the playing days in the NFL
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: and obviously in your days up on the hill and
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: you're seven days out from jumping back into fall camp.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: What are you doing in those final few days of freedom?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: Man, You're just hearing your last week of prep as
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: far as training, because you set up your eight to
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: twelve week training schedule based off of training camps, and
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: you're in your last week where you're just doing straight conditioning,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: no heavy lifts, and just trying to make sure you're
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: pushing out all the lactic acid that you have in
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: your legs from training and just getting ready to go. Man,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: So kind of releasing your mind. My birthday is always
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: around training camp time, so I just I always get
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: to itch this time of the year, so I just
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: know that, like, okay, my birtha's come up. That means
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: I need to get ready for training camp. So even
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: though even now that I'm not playing, it still has
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: the same mentality for me. But it's more of you know,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: kissing your family and hugging and spending some time and
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: sapping because you really aren't going to see that for
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: the next seven months unless they come to visit for
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: a day or whatever. So get out all the stuff
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: you need to do as far as your house stuff,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: business stuff, get that all wrapped up and done, and
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: then go to training camp.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: The birthday thing is going to send me on a
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: tangent here, because if your birthday is around training camp time,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: that means you're either really young for your grade or
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: you were really old for your grade. So growing up,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: which one were you young?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: I was young? I was very young in my for
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: every grade I was in, I was always a young kid.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: That's really fascinating because obviously, you know, sometimes especially with males,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: if you're the young one in your grade, you're behind
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: it almost a year or I mean, dang, a full year.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: You're behind a year behind everyone in you know, your
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: your physical development did not seem to hurt Stevenson Sylvester,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: which is uh, I guess really shows how further ahead
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: you work, because if you had been in your own
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: real age category, if you've been the oldest in the grade,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: you'd have been that much further ahead, I guess.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: Or if my mom was like some of these parents
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: out here now and purposely holding their kids back so
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: they could be the oldest in their kids, maybe maybe
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: I would be a little better. But now I was
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: the youngest. But I think what helped me is is
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: developing a cosmic Kama Caze kind of mindset. I'm just
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: go get it, no excuses, and being young or whatever
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: does it. It doesn't mean anything. Nobody cares, right, And
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: that's kind of my statement that I say to myself
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: over and over, nobody cares. Nobody cares about your your
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: faults or you messing up or whatever. You just got
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: to get out there and do it, man. And so
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: that that's kind of the mentality I always had of
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: being young or being whatever. I played my older brother
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: in basketball and all this stuff, so I was always
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: training with older kids no matter what age I was,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: and so being young just wasn't an excuse.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: Let that be a lesson.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Take it however you will if you're one of those
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: parents considering like holding a kid back so they get
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: to be the oldest in the grade.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: Just for Stevenson.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: Sylvester, it was not harmful for him to be the youngest,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: So make your decisions accordingly.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Back to actual Utah football.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: So a week away from starting camp, and obviously there
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: are questions. We've discussed the offensive line and you got
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: to find the right five. My question for you is
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: do we think the right five in game one, two
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: and three ends up being the right five? In the
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: games you know, ten, eleven, and twelve. How much mobility
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: do you see on that offensive line? How much change
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: in different combinations do you think we could anticipate.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know. There's always going to be a filling
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: out process. Right in this day and age, it's I
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: feel like college football is more like the pros where
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: you don't have time to make mistakes. Right, you know
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: before there was always time, Right, there's like, oh, this
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: guy has time to develop, you know, we'll give him
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: another shot. It's like, no, everything is a one year
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: deal in college football. Now. You got to put up
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: or shut up. You don't win championships, you lost, right,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: That is the mentality in college football now. It's not like, oh,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: in two years, this program is going to be That
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: is not a statement that anybody's making about any college
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: football team. Now. The mentality is more like a professional mindset.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: That's why I really consider these guys semi pros. One
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: there getting paid. But the mentality of the game has
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: changed as well. Right, It's like, look, you have to
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: win this year. You have to be put in the
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: situation to win right now. And if you're not doing that,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 5: you don't know. And so with all the new coaches,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: for Jordan Groves, Morgan Scalley, Kevin McGibbon, and their relationships
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: of working together and understanding adversity. Right, we're having adversity
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: at office his guard or at offensive tackle. We got
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: a young guy, our five star offensive line freshman that
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: Jordan gross Bullet came in. What if he doesn't do
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: well the first few weeks, right, are we going to
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: just sub him out or are we going to force
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: him in? There? Is that going to affect our winning?
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: We got all these talented, skilled positions, but we're a
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: little loose on the offensive line. Are we going to
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: be able to sacrifice all the other positions because we
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: have a young offensive line? So you know, college football
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: is is not how they used to be. So that
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: that's a big question. And that's nothing that I can
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 5: confirm or confidently say that that's a strong suit for us.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: That's going to be a work in progress. And when
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: we get to that point, it's how well are these
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: coaches going to be actually able to coach? Right? There's
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: one thing in the past you on football that I
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: didn't like is you know, if somebody's not doing well,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: sit them. Today's just wasn't his day. They would force
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: a guy in there he's not doing well, keep him
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: in there, and he keeps doing bad, and it ended
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: up being a detriment to the team. And you not
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: wain right in substituting the amount earlier, getting the fresh
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: that eye espreshly the lays. We could have did that.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: So hopefully this coaching staff has that mentality of like, look,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: we don't have next year, we have right now. And
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: so if this guy's not putting up this week, who
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: take a rest, take a beat. Somebody else got to
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: be ready to go and step up. We got to
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: find out the guys who are ready to go today
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: right now, and that starts on the first day of
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: training camp and finding out who's going to be the
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: guy that when the chips are down that we can
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: rely on. And that's in the first unit, that's in
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: the second unit, special teams, everything. Who's going to be
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: the guys that we can count on when we face
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: Arkansas BYU down the road. And so that's what training
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: camp is going to be this year is Morgan Scalley
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: finding out the guys that he can count on when
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: he needs them.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: One of my great hopes you just mentioned special teams.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: One of my great hopes for Utah football and the
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: changing of the guard is that they become once again
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: a dominant special teams program. There was a time where
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: you knew that the punt team punk coverage you were
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: gonna if you didn't have a successful offensive drive, Okay, fine,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: but we're gonna pin that team deep after you scored.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: You knew that the team your kickoff was either gonna
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: go out of the end zone and get a touchback
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: or your kick coverage team was gonna do something good
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: and they were gonna have a long field to drive
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: to score. That we've gotten away from that in recent years.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's because they're playing the
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: wrong guys on special teams. I don't know if it's because,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: you know, the scheme changed drastically or whatever. But it
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: feels like that's something that that Utah Football buttered its
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: bread with for a long time, and then it sort
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: of fell by the wayside. And I couldn't explain why
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: because you still had the same guy as the head man.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: What's what's it gonna take for this program to return
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: to elite in terms of a special teams unit?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: It's more about the players sparing about the position, right,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: and I think they got a good past as pasted
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: special teams in Sharif Shawman. But it's all about exactly
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: what we talked about, and the coaches understand that we
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: got to win now for the best guy's got to
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: be out there, right. Like I remember playing on the
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: punt team, man, and I absolutely loved it. I mean,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: so many plays on there. There wasn't that many plays
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: to be made because we had Louis Lakota, who was
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: the best punter in the nation. He was the absolute
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 5: best at pending people down there, making it really easy.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: We just had to make sure we protected him and
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: give him enough time and and so that made life
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: really easy. But yes, it's an extra threat, and that's
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: why they said there's three phases of the game and
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: they all have to help each other out. Right. It's
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: the offense goes three and out and the punt team
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: put the defense in a position where they can win
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: to enable the three and out the offense to give
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: your offense the ball back. Everybody has to work and
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: sync together. But special teams is huge, and I don't
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: think people put or give special teams enough credence because
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: it's such a major factor in the game of win.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: Is played from punt return to punt to kickoff, kickoff
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: return and even field goal.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: We felt it in some of those games, right Wyoming
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: game last year where we missed what three or four
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 5: field goals in that game and make that game really
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: really tight. Special teams play such a huge role that
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: we have to make sure that it's a prime focus.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: Is that means that the best guys that be out there,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: that's some starters on defense and offense having to play
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: special teams. And that's what it used to be. And
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 5: I think, you know, with the different nature of college
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: football where you're paying guys, you're getting more people who
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: I'm good for this one position. I'm not playing multi positions. Right,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: You're not having your starting linebackers playing punt or executing
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: or caring to play punt the way they used to. Right,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: we used to care about doing punt, you know, even
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: if we play defense. And that's just not the way
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 5: it is. So you just got to make sure that
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: everybody is in the right mindset, you know, to be
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: able to do special teams. Special teams is what I've
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: learned from Utah and in the pros. It's an attitude thing,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: right when I was talking about the Tomakanzi mentality of
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: this going out there and getting it, making it happen,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: that's what it is. I got to win at all costs.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to h to secede display. I'm going
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: to go out there and and make it happen every
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: single time. My goal on special teams was punt, kickoff.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: I was gonna make the play every single time. That's
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: why I played my rookie year in the NFL and
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: we went all the way the super Bowl, and I
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: was a contributor on that Super Bowl team. Is because
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: I made a ton of plays on kickoff and and
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: and punt to the points where I heard that other
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 5: teams were scouting against me. They pointing me out in
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: their meetings that you got to watch out for this
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: guy because he creates problems. And that was the mentality
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: that I had on special teams. So even if you're
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: not playing defense, you could make plays all over the
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: field and be a known name. And and that was
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: my goal is to do that with Utah and Pittsburgh
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: wherever I played at Man. So we got to have
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: guys on special teams that have that type of mentality.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: And and that's the bottom line. And it's not like, oh,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: I need to get my stamps on offense, he need
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: to get my snaps on defense. It's like, no, anytime
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: that I can get on the field, I could be
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: a factor in this game.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: I know it's got to be hard for coaches because
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: you want the most athletic guys out there, right, You
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: want the guys on special teams that you know are
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: physically the most capable. But I agree with you wholeheartedly
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: that the mentality of it. If your most capable physical
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: performers don't have that mentality, put the kid out there
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: who it's his super Bowl every time he runs down on.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: Kickoff, exactly exactly. I'm with you, man. And that's what
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: I loved about Trey Reynolds. He was backing Uplanda Barton
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 5: and Lemoni Deloney and karonny Reid, and when he went
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: out there, he was just making plays and he just
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 5: loved it. And that's where Cody Barton really came up. Right. Well,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: Cody Barton, right, he only played one year at linebacker,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: but what was he good at? He was good at
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 5: at at special teams. He was a huge special teamer
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: and that developed into a defensive guy and now he's
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: a multi millionnaire in the NFL. Right he's on his
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: third fourth contract in the NFL. Because he's developed and
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: established and every time he was on the football field,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: he made a play. Man. And yes, I agree with you, man.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: They got to have that mindset and if you want
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 5: to win, and you gotta understand that mindset helps everybody.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: That helps his team, that helps his fans, that helps
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 5: the coaches make plays, that helps everything. Man. So yeah,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: you want to have your most athletic guys, but you
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: also want to have the guys who are like, I'm
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: gonna make this play right now because it's my only
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 5: time going to be in the game, and I'm gonna
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 5: be the I'm gonna be the hero. I'm gonna be
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 5: the hero this game because I'm gonna go make this play.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 5: And you just got to have that mentality. Play within
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: the scheme, of course, but you got to go make
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: that play.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: Stevens and Sylvester is our guest here on the Sean
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: O'Connell Show, talking a preview of Utah's upcoming football season.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: Camp begins one week from today.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: We spent about half an hour in the in the
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: noon segment talking about a good problem that I think
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: this offense is gonna have, where you've got to figure
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: out how to get the ball into hands of multiple playmakers.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: And I knock on wood as I say it, because
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: if all these guys stay healthy in the wide receiver room,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: in the running back room, I think you've got a
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: little bit of an embarrassment of riches. And obviously it
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: starts with the quarterback position, because you've got two guys
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: who are big time factors and can be big time
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: factors in a game. And so I'm operating under the
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: assumption that you get like seventy two offensive snaps. I
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: think that's a decent average based on what we saw
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: a pace of play wise with Utah football at least
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, if.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: You split that in half and it's fifty percent run
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: fifty percent pass most teams, it ends there for Utah.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: You got to decide how many of those passes are
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: going to Bird Fickland, how many of those runs are
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: going to Bird Fickland, how often you have him on
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: the field instead of Devon Dampier, Maybe how often you
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: have him on the field with Devin dam Pier. Help
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: me solve the bird Fickland problem for lack of a
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: better term, because it's not a problem at all, it's
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: a great thing. How often do we see him on
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: the field. How many touches does that guy need a game?
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 5: Oh? My gosh, right, you know you said it. We
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: only have one football. You only have one football. We
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 5: got four or five dynamic, eight hundred yard plus receivers
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 5: on this roster. We have a thousand yard running back,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 5: We have a thousand yard quarterback who can run the
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: football for a thousand yards, you know, and pass for
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 5: twenty five hundred and three thousand plus yards. And we
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: have a backup quarterback who can rush for fifteen touchdowns
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: in a year and not even play the entire year.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 5: Embarrassment of Richards is an understatement. Man. We are a
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 5: talented football team. You only have one ball. There's gonna
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 5: be tons and tons of misdirection. I think how you
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 5: solve this problem because bird Finkling isn't the only issue.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 5: We just talked about all the other guys that potentially
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: couldn't get the ball. It starts in the mind, right,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: these guys have to understand that you're not going to
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 5: end the season. And everybody like looks like, look, I
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 5: hate this because like everybody's a stack guy. Everybody like,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 5: like the biggest thing right now is the narrative of
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 5: Lebron James Michael Jordan on the internet right now, you
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: turn it on. That's what everybody's talking about, right. The
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 5: attistants are so skewed, right, Like, for me, when I played,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 5: my stats aren't as high as Devin Lloyd's stats. Right,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: Is that to say that I was that much worse
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 5: than Devin Lloyd? No, not at all. You got to
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: understand the schemes of the offenses that were going and
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: how many three and outs did we have. My defense
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 5: was so legitimate. We weren't on the field that much.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 5: When we were it was three and out, and I
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 5: had everybody had Mike Right, I had John Smith, I
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 5: had Robert Jonson, had Coole Meethe, Paul Krueger, all these
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: guys your new up in front of me, Dearrick Shelby,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 5: all these guys making play. I wasn't the only one
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 5: to make it play. So our our we were more
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 5: guys around seventy plus tackles than other rosters. Other rosters,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: you can see one or two guys who with seventy
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 5: plus tackles are around that range. We had at least
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 5: seven guys that were above fifty tackles in that whole year.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 5: That is the love was spread around. It's a skewed
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 5: and that goes to third dempercentage, uh time of possession.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: All of that stuff is so skewed. And that's why
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: you have to understand that stats don't tell the real
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 5: story of what's going on and all these things, and
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 5: so I think it's gonna be extremely hard for you. You
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 5: gotta talk to these guys and get in their head,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 5: not just in training camp, not just week one, not
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: just week six, but throughout the entire year, and reminding
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 5: them that sacrifice is gonna have to be made right.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 5: You're gonna have to be a deplay on this play.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 5: You're gonna get the ball on this play, but you're
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 5: gonna have to give it up and this other there's
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: gonna be so many fumble Rooskies this year of misdirection.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 5: I can't wait. The creativity that this offense is gonna
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 5: need to have, not gonna need to have, but they
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 5: can have, is gonna be so wild that it's gonna
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 5: spin defenses in the Three Cities and they're just gonna
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 5: give up. And I can't wait for it because this
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: guy can have the ball. This guy can have the ball.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 5: Like I watched the play last night as a highlight.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: They handed the ball off and then did the triple
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 5: offs and after handing the ball off, so it was
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 5: a whole other factor. And if you're doing that, I
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 5: was just imagine doing that with Burt Fekland, Wayshaw Parker,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 5: and and and so you had the bull off the
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: way shat Parker, he pitches it to Burt Fekland. At
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 5: the same time, you got Devin damp here a run
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 5: around the other side and the qb qb real and
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 5: he throws it all the way back to There's so
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 5: many things that the defense has to worry about here
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: that it's going to be absolutely crazy, man. So it's
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 5: going to be the biggest thing is getting in these
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 5: guys head and understanding like, look, this may not be
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 5: weak to get all the stats, but you can make
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 5: a big impact in the game with the block, with
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 5: the misdirection, with this and this and this, and helping
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 5: game plan and helping the team win Man, And so
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 5: that is the biggest thing to answer your question of
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: what these guys are going to have to understand and
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: develop and what these coaches are going to have to
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 5: deal with this year.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: One of the questions that we've talked about repeatedly is,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: you know, there's fewer known commodities on the defensive front
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: than we're used to with Utah football. Right, We're high
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: on some of the potential really of every position. But
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: explain for the listeners the role of in this defense,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: especially the defensive tackles, and how important those defensive tackles
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: are not just for their own production, but for allowing
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: you all in the second level to roam free and
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: not be blocked and make tackles that way, do you
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: feel like that defensive line, specifically the tackles room, is
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: going to be able to keep John ou Hall and
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: Reynolds and Cyrus Polo and those guys from getting too
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: tangled up.
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  Speaker 5: Man. And what I love about these defense this is
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 5: an NFL style defense. I transition to the NFL extremely
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 5: well and one of the hardest defense ever known with
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 5: Dick Lebow and his mentality and all that, and I
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 5: traveled well because the terminology was so similar to college,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: and so I think that whatever they're teaching these guys that,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 5: you know, it may not be this guy's week and
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 5: may be game planned, uh, to to get to the
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 5: second level and and and and block the linebackers. That
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 5: means that the d tackles are gonna have to make
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 5: the play at the point of attack. But who's gonna
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 5: let the D tackle go? Right? So it could be
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 5: this guy's week, could be that guy's week. A lot
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 5: of there's no names guys, but this is one thing
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 5: that Borg and Scalta said the media days that I
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: absolutely loved was you're gonna, you know, like how many
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: guys were up in arms about John Henry Daily before
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 5: the year started last year, before the year started, Johnny Uh,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: Johnny Ley. You know, there's a lot of guys that
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 5: you just don't know. There's gonna be a lot of
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: guys like that this year, Guys that we don't know
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 5: that are gonna be huge, huge contributors on this team. Right,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: you know, You're gonna have all kinds of different guys
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 5: pop up that we haven't heard before, and it's gonna
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: be huge, uh factors on this team. And man, wait,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 5: you're gonna have new heroes. That's the thing about college football.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 5: You're not getting them where you got this guy for
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 5: four or five years or even now, you got this
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 5: guy for six months one year, and then he's transferred
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 5: to another school. That's why you got to win now, right,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 5: You're not able to relationship build like you were in
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 5: the past. And so whoever the hero is, it's what
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 5: bottom line of what I'm getting at is this scheme
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 5: is built for a lot of people to be able
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 5: to win. If you want to take away this, this
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 5: guy is going to make the play right. It's that's
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 5: what I absolutely love about it is if the offense
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 5: wants to do x YZ, this person should be able
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 5: to make that play. And so the tackle's got to
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 5: understand is like, look, your goal is to be double team,
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 5: but you got to make sure that that double team
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 5: stays with you. You got to hold that double team.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 5: They can't shift you and then go to somebody else.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 5: You have to be able to do that. But if
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 5: they leave and don't double team you at all, you
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 5: have to win, right. And then the best thing that
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 5: I told on anything from special teams to defense, to
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 5: offense defense and basketball football sports in general, is you
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: have to win your one on one battles, have to
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 5: win one on one battles. If you're don't kickoff and
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 5: there's one guy blocking you, you better win. If you're
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 5: on defense and there's one guy who's blocking you, you
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 5: gotta win, or you're guarding one guy, you have to
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: win offense. Defense doesn't matter. And so that's that's the
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: mentality that everybody has to have. It's like, look, if
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 5: I'm not getting double teams, I am the one who's
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 5: making this play. And that's plain and simple. And so
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: I just can't wait to see and hear of all
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 5: the new guys names that we haven't heard of before
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: come up and make a play for Utah. It's it's
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 5: gonna be nice. A lot of people are talking about
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 5: Ethan day Is. It's supposed to be really specially transferred here.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 5: I believe that in North Texas. And so he's made
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of noise in the spring and picked up
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 5: the defense really fast. He's extremely athletic from what I
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 5: saw in spring, and so there's gonna be a lot
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 5: of guys last Hosta. I think he's going to be
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: hands down the guy this year. Hopefully, the new mayor
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 5: of fact Lake City and really making things happen.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: How does the guy like Lance holzklock Because I'm with
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: you on that.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: I'm so impressed with him, and I know all of
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: his teammates and his coaches are as well. He had
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: one and a half sacks last year, right, So you
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: look at it on paper and you're just like, oh, yeah,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: I mean he's a good player, But can we expect
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: him to go from one and a half to double digits?
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: What's it going to take for somebody like that to
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: go from being an excellent role player to now the guy.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 5: Man opportunity, right, opportunity. Who's he playing with last year
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 5: or playing against last year? Did he get the reps
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 5: to be able to do it? Put on that Bowl
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 5: game against Nebraska and Vegas man, and just watch how
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: he terrorized that backfield man and just understand that he's
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 5: got a whole off season of development that he's been
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: able to put in man and confidence that he's been
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 5: able to have himself. But he was playing behind Logan
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 5: final last year, John Henry Daily Cash Stillen was in
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 5: there at rotation and so now Lance has just been
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 5: able to really hone in his skills and really doing
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 5: what I saw from him in spring exactly what you
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 5: want to see after a really good Bowl game performance, right,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 5: is that development and one on one work and the details, right,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 5: putting in that extra work and understanding what is going
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 5: to make me better. And so I think with him
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 5: being the number one guy, who's going to have a
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 5: lot more opportunity to make plays, right. And it's kind
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 5: of like you look at that UCLA game with Jonah
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 5: Ellis right when he had four sat four and a
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 5: half cents or something like that, and I'm just like,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 5: how the heck is he doing this? And I'm just like, one,
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 5: the protections wasn't great. It's not like he beat like
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 5: a crap ton of one on one things. It was
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 5: just I'm in the right place at the right time,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 5: and this is coming to me, man. And he was
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 5: just consistent and relentless. And that is what I'm seeing
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 5: from Len's hold Squall, his consistency and relentlessness, and that's
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 5: what he needs to bring to the table. And I
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: just think that he needed that Bowl game to give
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 5: him the confidence that I can do this at this level.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 5: And when I talk to him at media days, that
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 5: is exactly what I got. He got that confidence in
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 5: himself and he's really eager to take advantage of the
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 5: opportunity that he's going to be able to be the
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 5: mayor of sat Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, last thing before I let you go.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm always hesitant to even talk about this aspect
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: of football because I'm superstitious and I don't want to
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: jinx anybody or jinx anything.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 5: But you sound like an athlete. If you're superstitis, I'm.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: Knocking on wood because I mean, through my whole fight career,
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: one of the worst things that can happen, right is
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: injury in camp. Injury in your fight camp, Like it's
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: always something stupid. It's always you're not paying attention and
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: the guys wrestling next to you roll up on your
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: knee or something like that.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: That's where these things happen.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: It's a lot more rare than people think to have
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: a serious injury happen in actual competition and gameplay. How
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: can this team optimize its health through camp because when
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: we look at the.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: Roster, what we know about the coaching staff.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: You see this schedule and all of us are like,
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: it could be a really, really good year. But the
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: team's got to stay healthy. What can the players themselves
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: do to make sure that they optimize that got to
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: go one.
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  Speaker 5: Hundred percent, you know. It's kind of what we talked
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 5: about a little while ago, is is guys managing themselves
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 5: instead of going one hundred percent. They're over there like, well,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 5: I got to save my conserve my energy for X
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 5: y Z. When you're out there on the football field,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: there's no such thing. You got to go one hundred percent.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 5: If you can't go one hundred percent, then you're not
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 5: in shape. That is not an excuse or not something
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 5: you should ever say. If you're an athlete, if you're
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 5: a top tier athlete, you are definitely in shape. You
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 5: are prepared, right, because the last thing you want to
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 5: tell your coaches I'm unprepared. So the thing is is
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 5: for me, what I've learned is is injuries happen when
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 5: you're trying to prevent injuries. Right, It's very rare for
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 5: somebody to come out of training camp with no Nix
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 5: and good only people that could do that at backup
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks and even quarterbacks and kickers snappers were the only
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 5: people that come out of training camp with no Nixon
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 5: bruises man, and so you're gonna be a little beat
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 5: up because I remember in eight we played Michigan in
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 5: the first week. I felt like we were doing things
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 5: great and everything, and the next thing you know, Karani
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 5: got pissed off at us and then made me Mikey
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 5: and all these guys like hit each other and I
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 5: got a stinger. My whole shoulder was messed up for
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 5: a while, and going into that first game, and it
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 5: was just like, yeah, there's no way to come out
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 5: of training camp unscathed, right, And so you've got to
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 5: go one hundred percent and understand that football is that
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 5: you're you're battling injuries. I remember talking to coach with
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 5: before the season stucks all the time. It's like everybody's injured,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 5: everybody's injured. It is what it is. But this is
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 5: football and and and so if you have that mentality,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 5: I think you're you're more you're more advotated to come
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 5: out healthy. If you go one hundred percent of everything,
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 5: the coaches will take care of you and all that
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 5: other aspect and then you're gonna be fine. But you
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 5: got to have a mentality of football. The State basketball,
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 5: the Saint Tennis This is a very physical sport. It's
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 5: what happens. And the more one hundred percent you go,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 5: the better your team will be. Because good on good, right,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 5: iron sharpening, iron, whatever mentality you want to use, everybody
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 5: helps everybody out. If I play, if Devin Dampire sits
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 5: in the media and tells you, I'm playing against the
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 5: best defense in the conference every single week, but the
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 5: defense isn't going one hundred percent? Is he playing against
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 5: the best defense, right? And so if you're going good
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 5: on good, then you got to be one hundred percent
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 5: all the time, man. And so that's who more Stally is.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 5: And that's what I'm really really excited about for this
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 5: training camp to start, for him his first training camp,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 5: to see exactly what he feels like works and hopefully
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 5: that's the mentality of going out there and getting it.
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  Speaker 3: I always appreciate your time and your expertise. We'll see
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: you up on the hill real soon.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 5: All right, you're a man.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks those set Stevenson Sylvester.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: Hoping we get an official announcement on his role in
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: the broadcast sooner than later, but don't know exactly what that's.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: Going to be yet.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: All Right, Sports Illustrated put out a list of the
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: top quarterbacks in college football. They actually stuck with the
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: Power four teams, the sixty eight Power four teams.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: Where does Devin dan Pierre fall on that?
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: And also Lebron James is going to be playing in Philly,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: but where's he going to be living?
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: There's a debate in the NBA.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: It's a Sean O'Connell show on ESPN seven hundred and
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: ninety two one FM.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 6: Your tune to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 2:15:49
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  Speaker 3: You know I love a good list, ranking things, preseason,
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: ranking things, mid season, ranking things, all over the place.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated put out a list ranking the top quarterbacks
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: in college football presume starters all and they stuck with
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't say college football, I should say power college football.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 3: They stuck with the sixty eight Power four teams and
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: the top the top five are kind of who you
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: would expect. We're gonna see where Devin dan Pierre falls
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: on this list. Okay, number one, Trinidad Chambliss, Oh Miss.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: He's in the top everyone's top five.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: The seventh year player Trinidad no is entering his sixty
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 4: year is what it is.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense even though Wayne Kiffin is not there.
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  Speaker 3: Trinidad Chambliss, who decided to because his coach told him, well,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: if you transfer, everyone's gonna hate you, which is great.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: Sixty six percent completion rate last year, almost four thousand yards, passing,
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: twenty two touchdowns, only three interceptions. Pretty darn good. Julian
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: Saying comes up second. He completed seventy seven percent of
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: his passes last year.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was much better on paper than he actually
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 4: was if you watched him play though, Oh see he was.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 4: He was that high of a completion percentage because it
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 4: was by design. They they were the amazing athletes that
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 4: they that he was throwing to, Jeremiah Smith being one
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 4: of them, making plays on short passes and you know,
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 4: setting him up really well to get guys wide open
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 4: deep I'm hoping. And first year as a starter, you
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 4: expect that sort of thing, but pirstfully he gets. Yeah,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 4: he shows a lot of progression and can actually be
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 4: the reason you win games.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: He takes a lot of criticism for how he played
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: against Indiana and against Miami he got sacked ten times.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: In those two games and argue that was their only
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: real games, the real competition they had all year, and
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: Texas was ended up being good, but not as good
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: as we as everyone thought they would be. Those two
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: defensive lines caused problems for a lot of quarterbacks, so
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: Julian San might be forgiven. I can't believe I'm saying
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 3: this about an Ohio State guy for not living up
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: to all the hype last year.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: But people are still heaping on the hype this year.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. CJ.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: Carr Notre Dame is number three on the Sports Illustrated list.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: He completed two thirds of his passes. He had under
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: three thousand yards, which is much lower than a lot
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: of the guys at the top this list. Twenty four touchdowns,
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: six interceptions, ran better than some of the other guys.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah good, not great last year, but he had Jeremiah
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 4: Love too. That was one of the reasons why statistically
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 4: he didn't stand out. Also first year starter. Also first
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: year as a starter. Dante More of Oregon comes in
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 4: number four. Seventy two percent completion, thirty touchdowns, ten interceptions,
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 4: so a three to one rate for him on that.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 4: Darien Mensa from Miami, remember he was going to be
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 4: a duke, and then he went to Miami, and then
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 4: there was a lawsuit about it. Just under four thousand yards,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 4: sixty seven percent completion, thirty four touchdowns, six interceptions. Mensa
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 4: lives up to the hype, at least in a duke uniform.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 4: Will he do it in a Miami uniform? Arch Manning
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: is number six.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: A lot of people are still trying to figure out
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: what they feel about. Arch Manning. Is Arch Manning? A
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: Manning is Arch Manning? Just what he actually is? A
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: kid who has the Manning last name and has been
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: given all these abilities, all these opportunities. Is the right
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: way to say that, all these opportunities to kind of
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: hone the craft of being a college quarterback has been.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: Literally raised to do exactly this.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: He certainly benefits from the Manning name in some situations.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: He also is punished excessively for not living up to
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: the Manning name in other situations. So Arch Manning comes
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: in at number six.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 4: I feel like, even though he didn't live up to
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 4: the hype last year, in his first full year as
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 4: a starter, O see, I feel like six is still
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 4: a little.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: Low for him. But he's still a guy.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 4: Like you just mentioned that, people feel like you got
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 4: to prove it to me before I can put you
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 4: number one again or close to the close to the
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 4: top of this list again, which I don't think is unfair.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: Interestingly, this list is a bunch of guys who are
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: now second year starters.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: Arch Manning was the first year starter last year.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 3: If you watched the last seven games where he went
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: six and one, they only turned the ball over one time.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: I think like that might be a better indication of
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: what arch Manning is going to be heading into this year.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 3: Demon Williams, remember, he's another guy who announced it transfer
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: s that he was leaving Washington and then Jed Fish
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: and company were just like, no, you're not. You have
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: a contract with us, and ultimately he walked back out
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: of the transfer portal. He's number seven on the Sports
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: Illustrated list. Three thousand yards, twenty five touchdowns, eight interceptions.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 4: Says a lot about how wild the college football offseason
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 4: was when it comes to court cases and stuff that
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 4: that you're telling me that and I go, oh, yeah,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 4: I forgot about that, And that was one of the
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 4: craziest situations, especially because the school won. Yeah in that case,
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 4: not they didn't win a court case, but they won,
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 4: and they won. They convinced him to take his name
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  Speaker 4: out of the portal and stay in Washington. Jade and
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  Speaker 4: Mayava of USC is number eight. Sam Levitt now at LSU,
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  Speaker 4: formerly at Arizona State is number nine. Josh Hoover formerly TCU,
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  Speaker 4: now at Indiana is number ten. Drew mesta Maker is
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 4: number eleven, coming to Oklahoma State from North Texas, and
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  Speaker 4: he has the best numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Of anyone on this list.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Sam Levitt has terrible numbers from last
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  Speaker 3: year because of the injuries, but people still think that
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna be a top ten quarterback. Messa Maker had
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: almost forty four hundred yards thirty four touchdowns last year.
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 3: Marcel Reid, Texas A and M at twelve.
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  Speaker 1: And thirteen is Devin Damn Pire your.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: University of Utah utes twenty four touchdowns, five interceptions, only
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: twenty five hundred yards passing last year. Obviously very productive
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  Speaker 3: even when he was hurt, and a top fifteen quarterback
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: according to ESPN excuse me. According to Sports Illustrated above,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: Noah Fafita interestingly so ranked higher on this list than
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: Noah Fafita, second only to Drew Mestimaker.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: In the Big twelve, and.
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  Speaker 3: I think a really like Sports Illustrated loves them some
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 3: Devn dam Pier. That's a high ranking for I mean,
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 3: in the country all quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I would
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: quibble a little bit. I told you, I'm more of
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: a what have you proven to me guy? And Devin
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: certainly proved a lot. So this is more about mess
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 3: to Makers spot than it is about Noah Fafida. But
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: Fafida has proved even more than Devin dan Pier has,
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: certainly at the power level Power five first and now
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: in Power four in this era, I think Feffiita should
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: probably be the top.
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  Speaker 4: And ESPN I think that was it the Athletic or
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 4: ESPN that we read last week. They had the Athletic.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 4: They had Fafida as the number one quarterback. If I'm
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 4: not mistaken. In the conference preseason, I think Devon is
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 4: I think they have him right. Sports Illustrated does at
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 4: number two in the conference, but I would I would
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 4: put Faffiita slightly ahead of him, and I certainly wouldn't
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 4: put mess to Maker all due respect, mess to Maker
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 4: is in the spot that Devin dan Peer was in
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 4: last year, you were awesome. You had even better numbers
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 4: than Devn Dan Peer did at Mexico at New Mexico.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 4: But you were awesome, but it was also at a
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 4: significantly lower level. I don't really understand putting mess to
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 4: Maker as good as he was ahead of both Devon
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: Dan Pier and Noah Fafiita.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: I don't get it either. Interesting interestingly enough, here.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 3: Bear Bachmeyer is a top twenty quarterback according to Sports Illustrated.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: He's number nine.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 4: Bear should be higher than mess to Maker too, like
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 4: I don't get I don't get putting ranking mess to
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 4: Maker that high. I mean, his numbers were incredible, but
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 4: it was at North Texas.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 3: BYU and Bear Bachmeyer, by extension, are punished so heavily
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: because they stunk against Texas Tech. Yeah, Bear looked bad
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 3: against Texas Tech. By you looked bad against Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 3: They won every other game, and.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 4: Bear was a lot like the way I was talking
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 4: about Julian saying with a lot, you know, not near
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 4: as good as numbers, but in the sense that he
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 4: was held back because he was a first year starter,
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: even younger than saying, a true freshman, and the off
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 4: they were asking him to do barely anything as a
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 4: passer every game. Right, this year, they're going to ask
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 4: him to do a lot more, And I think that
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 4: it's reasonable to assume that he's going to be really
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 4: good in that regard. Is he going to be near
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: the best in the country as a passer? That's taking
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: it a little too far. Is he going to be
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 4: someone that people go, maybe going in his junior season, go,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 4: you know what, this guy couldn't could be one of
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 4: the best quarterbacks in college football. I think that he
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 4: it's safe to assume that he's going to have that
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 4: kind of a year passing where people go, this year,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 4: he wasn't that, but look, but watch out for this
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 4: guy next year as a passer, because why wouldn't you
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 4: think that that was the case after as well as
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 4: he played as a true freshman last season.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: For anyone keeping score based only on preseason list, which
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: of course is a great thing to do. John Mattier,
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 3: who if you go all the way back to you know,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: the transfer portal two cycles ago. John Mattier, who was
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 3: a Washington State guy who a lot of people are like,
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: all bring him to Utah and you ended up with
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: Devin damp Here instead. John Matteer heads into this season
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: ranked number twenty one on the quarterbacks list at least
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: by one publication.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 4: So that's interestingly low as well. But yeah, who cares
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 4: about the Why are we getting so worked up about this?
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood twenty three by the way, so a good
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: luck winning with that. Michigan. Yeah, they have fun. I
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: guess Eric Weddle was right, have fun wit.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: By the way, if you ever want to entertain yourself
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: with how absolutely unhinged Michigan football fans are, just go
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 3: find anything, any report, any anything about Eric Weddle right
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: now and look at Michigan fans in the comments, Like
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: like a KSL article or a Salt Lake Tribune article
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: about Eric Weddle being inducted into the Ring of Honor
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: at the University of Utah. Go find the comment section
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 3: and you will see Michigan fans in there hating on
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle because he said something that could be perceived
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: as negative about Bryce Underwood.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: It is wild.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 3: We think we have fanatic fan bases here with the
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: whole Utah YU thing. I don't think we're approaching that level, honestly,
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 3: not the Michigan level.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 4: Well, and by the way, Weddle based on Bryce Underwood's
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 4: play last season. Weddle's not wrong yet, He's not. He
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 4: could he could potentially, I say yet, because Bryce Underwood
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 4: is the kind of talent that he could make. Weddle's
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 4: comments look very silly, But right now, Weddle's right about
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 4: him being concerned about could this guy really be a
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: Big ten championship, National championship winning quarterback.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: I clicked on a recruiting services article about Gauge Weddle
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 3: Eric Son like announcing his top three or something, and
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: the top comment was from a Michigan Wolverine fan expletive
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 3: Leyden tirade against Gauge Weddle because his dad said something
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: about Bryce Underwood.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 4: It is bananas, people. Hopefully Gage isn't reading comments. I
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 4: promise he's not. I promise you he's not that dude.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 4: All right, last break and then we'll get to the
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 4: drive with Spence checkets Lebron James is playing in Philly,
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 4: like I said, but where's he going to live? You
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 4: will not believe the report coming from Shams, and you
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: probably should because it's coming from Shams. It's the Sean
• 2:29:02
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  Speaker 3: James announced this he's gonna be playing in Philly, and
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: immediately a report from Shams and others that he is
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 3: potentially going to instantaneously alienate the Philly fan base by
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 3: not living in Philadelphia.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: Did you see this? I did.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 4: I heard some about this, did not see where exactly
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 4: he was living. But I've heard the talk about what's this?
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 4: What a Philly fans gonna think about him not living
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 4: in Philly.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there there's a report out there and it's unconfirmed.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 3: Lebron hasn't confirmed this, but that he will live in
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 3: New York City and commute to Philadelphia every day by helicopter.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, do the.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 4: Do what a lot of players have done in Southern California.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 4: Live in San Diego, Orange County, commuting that way to
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 4: La Okay, so Lebron, look, if you want to do this,
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 4: whatever you've got, I mean, he could afford it, right.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 4: I I hope people understand I bring this up from
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 4: like a place of.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: Good intention.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 3: I would be very, very reluctant to commute by helicopter
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 3: every single day, especially as an NBA legend, for obvious reason. Now,
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia fans are not going to You're not going to
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: endear yourself to the city of brotherly love by being like,
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: I'd rather live in New York. Absolutely no, Philadelphia fans
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: hate New York. Philly people dislike New.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 4: York when they've already I mean you think about the
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 4: recent history of the playoffs between the two NBA teams
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 4: from those cities. By the way, the Knicks have the
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 4: sixers number the last couple of the last few seasons,
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 4: so there's that too. There's already a rivalry because theyre
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 4: Northeast rivals and they're in the same division. And now
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, I'll play for your favorite team, but
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 4: I don't want to live in your city, Like that's yeah,
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 4: that's not gonna go.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: Well. I mean in Salt Lake, you can't.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 3: We're not close enough to anyone that you could pull
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: something like this off. But imagine somebody comes to the
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz and are like, yeah, but I'm gonna live
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 3: in Denver, i will live in Vegas and helicopter and
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna fly from Vegas every single day.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 3: That might be a more realistic thing if that ever happened.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: Is like, oh, this helicopter from Vegas. But that's like
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: that's still like three that's like a two and a
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 1: half hour ride.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 4: That's too far to helicopter. But oh, let's see how
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 4: long that would take? Shall we Vegas because Salt Lake City?
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 4: Because helicopter obviously significantly slower than a than flying on
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 4: the jet.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: Now, if you have your own jet, right, which of
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 3: course Lebron James could afford, going from Vegas to Salt.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: Lake what an hour?
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 3: You don't have to like go through security at the
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 3: airport and stuff. You just show up, fly show. You know,
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: that could be not bad. Yeah, a helicopter flight for
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: Vegas to Salt Lake takes three hours, Okay, so you
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 3: might not gonna do that. Everything well drive if you're
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna do that every day. Yeah, so it
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 3: would be private jet, which yeah, that would be the
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 3: thing that could happen here in Salt Lake. But that's
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: never been a thing and probably won't ever be a thing.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: And my understanding of I don't know.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 3: It's depends on jet size, right, So it's an hour
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 3: and five minutes a private jet fright from Las Vegas
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 3: to Salt Lake City. And depending on your jet, if
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 3: you're a billionaire NBA star, you're probably flying in a
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 3: nice one. It's like fifteen grand an hour to fly
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 3: a jet, so you it's spent a fifteen.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: Grand thirty grand every day to go to work.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, helicopters are probably less. I don't know, but yeah,
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 4: I'll say this. Listen the Rich Eisen Show today, they
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 4: mentioned one of the one of his UH co hosts,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 4: one of his team of guys. There, they mentioned that
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 4: JJ Reddick lived in Brooklyn when he played for the Sixers.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 4: But I will say this, JJ Redick is not Lebron James.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 4: JJ Redick was a really good role player. I'm sure
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 4: we didn't hear much about the any tension between he
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 4: and Sixers fans because it was like, well, it's nice
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 4: to have JJ Redick, but he doesn't make or break
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 4: our team. Lebron James different animal that way, So that's why,
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 4: that's why JJ Reddick. It wasn't a problem probably for
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 4: JJ Reddick, but it probably will be for Lebron James wild.
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 4: All he's got to do is win him a championship though,
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 4: and they'll they'll forgive him for that.
• 2:35:52
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