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‘Prophet’ Lee Kaplan convicted for sex with 6 young ‘sister wives’ · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Power, manipulation, control. Prosecutors say those are the tactics of
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania man used to sexually assault a group of sisters
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Speaker 1: its Allegedly, Kaplan was gifted the oldest of the girls
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Speaker 1: by her own parents, who live in Pennsylvania's Amish Country.
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Speaker 1: Is accused of raping six sisters, fathering two children, and
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Speaker 1: telling the girls he was a prophet. This is crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Sevilla Stultsfis told a jury if
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Speaker 1: she was out of jail, she would be okay with
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Speaker 1: him continuing his sexual relationships with the girls. They had
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Speaker 1: no birth certificates and weren't enrolled in any school. At times,
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Speaker 1: she says she was jealous of the attention her children
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Speaker 1: were getting because she too had been gifted by her
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Speaker 1: husband to be one of Kaplan's wives. Daniel Stops says
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Speaker 1: he thought it would be legal after doing research online.
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Speaker 1: I thought they were just part of his family. Little children,
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Speaker 1: little girls, six of them, and suburban Pennsylvania kept as
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Speaker 1: quote wives wives, little girls kept as wives of an
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Speaker 1: alleged pedophile, quote profit, a prophet right there in your suburb.
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Speaker 1: The children, by the time they were found, had lime disease,
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Speaker 1: rotted out teeth, and they didn't even know how to
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Speaker 1: wash their own hair. Testimony in the trial of fifty
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Speaker 1: two year old perv Lee Kaplan in Pennsylvania the mother
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Speaker 1: of the six little girls, who I may also say
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Speaker 1: should rotten hell. The mother of the six girls claims
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Speaker 1: that their abuser, this horrific fifty two year old freak,
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Speaker 1: was gifted the girls as wives. Okay, now, how do
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Speaker 1: you say that. That's like the door was left open
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Speaker 1: in the all got out and men into the traffic.
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Speaker 1: Like the door did it on its own. Listen to
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Speaker 1: this phraseology. The mother of the six little girls says
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Speaker 1: the alleged pedophile sex abuser was quote gifted her six
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Speaker 1: daughters as wives. Translation, she forked them over for a
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Speaker 1: lifetime of pain. Kaplan. Uh, this guy, Lee Kaplan, the
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Speaker 1: fifty two year old from Bucks County, helped the family,
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Speaker 1: the mother's family out when they fell on hard times.
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Speaker 1: Police arrested Kaplan. They discovered eleven little girls living in
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Speaker 1: his home, including two babies he fathered with one of
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Speaker 1: the little stolfas girls. Yeah, you of course, here's de
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Speaker 1: facts showing up dayly a dollar short. They find all
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Speaker 1: these children with rotted out teeth lime disease. They had
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Speaker 1: to have their teeth pulled out. You know the neighbors
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Speaker 1: had seen this. I don't know what happened at the schools.
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Speaker 1: Once again de Facts sitting at their desk, fat, dumb
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Speaker 1: and happy. Sevilla Stolpha says she knew her children were
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Speaker 1: being raped by Kaplin, but believe it's stemmed from his
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Speaker 1: communications with God. I don't know what god they are
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Speaker 1: think they're worshiping, but it's not anything I've ever heard of.
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Speaker 1: Kaplan facing numerous charges of statutory rape and sex assault.
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Speaker 1: Once again de Facts Department Family Children's Services dragging their
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Speaker 1: heels while these girls are now set up for a
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Speaker 1: lifetime of pain. I Nancy Grace, this is crime stories,
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Speaker 1: and as horrific as it is, we cannot turn away
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Speaker 1: in good conscience from this. We cannot turn away and
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Speaker 1: not listen to it and not know about it. We're
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Speaker 1: not the monkeys. The three monkeys. See no evil, hear
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Speaker 1: no evil, speak no evil. We have to confront it
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Speaker 1: and do something about it now, Alan Duke, the Duke
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Speaker 1: is joining me from his posh Hollywood pad in Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, what part of Hollywood are you in. I'm
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Speaker 1: actually in the valley. I'm a valley boy right now. Okay,
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Speaker 1: sadly to me that means absolutely nothing. But Studio city
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Speaker 1: area just over the hill from Hollywood and Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: I can just go go right over the hill and
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Speaker 1: I'm right down there with all of the big stars.
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Speaker 1: So you can look out your window and see Tory
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Speaker 1: Spelling getting evicted. Yes, yeah, well, if I go up
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Speaker 1: the hill, George Clooney lives nearby. I thought he lived
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Speaker 1: in a castle in Italy. He lives in the house
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Speaker 1: that Clark people used to live in. Yeah, I just okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Alan, stop. I want to get back
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Speaker 1: to Ted Kaplan. As much as you'd like to talk
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Speaker 1: about Clark Gable, God rest his soul, I want to
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Speaker 1: get back to Lee Kaplan And how out of a
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Speaker 1: whole neighborhood nobody noticed all the little children girls living there,
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Speaker 1: and that too little bitty girls got pregnant and gave
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Speaker 1: birth and they all have rotten teeth and lyme disease.
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Speaker 1: How does that happen? And don't they have to go
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Speaker 1: to school for Pete's sake? Well, there's homeschool. There's homeschool. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we're having a lot of problems with homeschooling. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not knocking homeschooling. I'm some rel I have a
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Speaker 1: relative in Florida and she homeschools her children. And let
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Speaker 1: me tell you something there. When they were in first grade,
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Speaker 1: they were already studying the great classics of literature, classical music.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, aren't guess what John Dave and Lucy an
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Speaker 1: other ABC's um. So, I'm not knocking yet, But what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is there's no accountability. Nobody knows where the
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Speaker 1: children are, how they were doing, or if they're pregnant
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Speaker 1: with roddy teeth and lyme disease. Alan. There is homeschool
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Speaker 1: done right, and there are people who very serious about it.
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Speaker 1: Did you just hear me not talk about my cousin
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Speaker 1: in Florida? I heard, I know about your wonderful, talented cousin.
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Speaker 1: That's how I started the whole thing. There are people,
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Speaker 1: and we have to acknowledge this. We we dealt with
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Speaker 1: this in the Adrian Jones tragedy, where there are some
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Speaker 1: some horrible people who hide their kids, isolate their kids
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Speaker 1: by saying, oh, we're home schooling though their home schooling
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Speaker 1: them with portraits, amusing them, beating them in neglecting them. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: let's get back to Capline a prophet that always makes
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Speaker 1: me suspicious from people just outright claim they're a prophet.
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Speaker 1: He's got the beard in the hair. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: just need a more fuller beard and I probably could
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Speaker 1: be considered a prophet. Um. Are we back on you, Alan? Okay,
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Speaker 1: try to focus off Alan and onto these six little
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Speaker 1: girls and the mother. I think the mother needs to
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Speaker 1: go to jail because she knew about what was happening.
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Speaker 1: You know, there, I am sugarcoating it. She knew this
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Speaker 1: fifty two year old man was having sex with her
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Speaker 1: little girls, and she believed it quote could be a
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Speaker 1: good thing. Then those Bucks County children and you supervisor
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Speaker 1: testified that the girls were taken to a doctor after
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Speaker 1: his arrest for the first time and their lives. I'm
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Speaker 1: learning a lot of this from Philly dot Com and
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Speaker 1: I'm overwhelmed. The mother of the six girls that Caplain
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Speaker 1: viewed of wives told she now says she tells the
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Speaker 1: girls to tell the truth to police about what happened,
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Speaker 1: as they believed quote God was at work and the
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Speaker 1: relationships with a man decades older than them. I'm learning
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Speaker 1: this from Justine McDaniel. She's the staff writer who has
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Speaker 1: been covering this trial for Philly dot Com. Now she
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Speaker 1: the mother goes on to say, most people would consider
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Speaker 1: him a very bad man. This is the mother, and
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Speaker 1: this was a recorded conversations that detectives played. But we
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Speaker 1: understand it was God and it was for a good purpose.
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Speaker 1: You know, she's not crazy, she's not legally insane. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: she is part and parcel of this and she must
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Speaker 1: go to jail unless they worked some kind of an
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Speaker 1: immunity deal with her. Alan, how do you how, how
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Speaker 1: can you not face some kind of punishment for doing this?
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Speaker 1: Going along with this? I mean these girls were in
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Speaker 1: there five years? Is that? What was? Well? The other
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Speaker 1: thing is this, Alan, I mean under civil law in
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Speaker 1: our country, our jurisprudence system that was gifted to us
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Speaker 1: that we adopted. We chose to adopt it from Great Britain,
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Speaker 1: from there are hundreds and hundreds of years of law,
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Speaker 1: you know, which was brought to them by the Anglo
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Speaker 1: Saxon invasion. That's where this code, the legal code, came from.
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Speaker 1: But under that code, you do not go to jail
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Speaker 1: for refusing to act. Say, Alan, you fall into a lake,
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Speaker 1: I can swim, I'm an Olympic swimmer, but I don't rescue.
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Speaker 1: I cannot go to jail for that in our country. However,
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Speaker 1: if you have a duty to act, you're the mother
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Speaker 1: of these girls, that's a whole different cattle worms. Plus
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Speaker 1: she made an overt act, and that is handing the
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Speaker 1: girl rolls over. Alan, You've covered a lot of conspiracy cases.
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Speaker 1: Conspiracy when you plan to commit a crime A lot.
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Speaker 1: A big defense to conspiracy is Oh, that was just
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Speaker 1: talking about I dreamed about it. It It was a movie script.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't real unless you commit an overt act to
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Speaker 1: further the conspiracy. And by her handing the girls over
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Speaker 1: to him, that was an overt act. I just can't
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Speaker 1: sit still while this woman is not prosecuted. Alan, And
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Speaker 1: if you're a parent, I think that is child neglect.
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Speaker 1: The more I look at this, you know, you called
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Speaker 1: this case to my attention and I didn't quite believe
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Speaker 1: what And I looked at it and I said, it
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Speaker 1: was so so much isolation. These girls didn't even know
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Speaker 1: how to wash their hair when when they were put
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Speaker 1: into foster care, they actually had to be shown a
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Speaker 1: video how to wash their hair. That's how basic it was.
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Speaker 1: What kind of lives were they leading? And how could
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Speaker 1: you hand over a little girl as young as age seven,
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Speaker 1: seven seven and know that every night he's raping her
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Speaker 1: and you stand by and do nothing. The second day
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Speaker 1: of this trial, a little girl takes a stand to
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Speaker 1: describe summers swimming in Caplan's backyard pool, learning history from documentaries,
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Speaker 1: taking care of chickens, picking fruit from trees, and being
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Speaker 1: raped by a man thirty seven years older than her
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Speaker 1: that witness the rape storm when she was ten. And
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Speaker 1: they asked the girl, do you know why Mr Caplan
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Speaker 1: was having sex with you? And she responded, because I'm
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Speaker 1: his wife. Well, how did you know he was yours wife?
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Speaker 1: Because he told me. Over two full days, a parade
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Speaker 1: of witnesses testified about the family and living with this predator.
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Speaker 1: I want to know you know you have talked many
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Speaker 1: times Alan about how your grandmother married when she was fifteen.
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Speaker 1: And I told you about my grandmother on my father's
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Speaker 1: side in Alabama that was married when she was fourteen
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Speaker 1: and they were married well over sixty five years. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you suggested that child briding and I'm using that
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Speaker 1: as a verb is okay in some circumstances, and I
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Speaker 1: vehemently disagree. Now, I wasn't. I was asking a question.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's be clear about that. I was asking why
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Speaker 1: was it okay six hundred years ago or way back
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Speaker 1: in time and all of a sudden in the last
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Speaker 1: how many twenty years? It's just appalling that somebody at
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Speaker 1: age fifteen gets married or have a question for you.
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Speaker 1: Why is it that thousands of years ago we wore
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Speaker 1: animal skins, had no shoes. I still do that, and
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Speaker 1: wandered the earth looking for food and fearing lightning. Because
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Speaker 1: we advanced, we progressed to a different level, and God willing,
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Speaker 1: there are a thousand years from now, they're going to
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Speaker 1: look back at you and I and laughed their heads off.
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Speaker 1: So that's why they're laughing at us now, because we
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Speaker 1: now have come to the understanding that it's wrong. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's a theory in the law, which I vaguely recall
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Speaker 1: from first year law school, that the law exists and
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Speaker 1: it is our duty, through case law I a cases,
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Speaker 1: to divine it to figure it out. It just took
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Speaker 1: a while to figure out how wrong this is this
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Speaker 1: child briding. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm asking.
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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that, yes, both we both have
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Speaker 1: grand parents who are married at fourteen and fifteen and
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Speaker 1: stayed married forever and it wasn't a wild unusual thing.
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Speaker 1: Times were different back then. Well I got them back.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get married and I was forty seven, so
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Speaker 1: they balanced it out. Don't blab that because the twins
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Speaker 1: think I'm eleven and a half, don't mess it up.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. It could be this that we
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Speaker 1: do stay children longer now. I think I was looking
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Speaker 1: at a book last night about this that actually a U. S.
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Speaker 1: Senator Sass from Nebraska has written a book talking about
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Speaker 1: how people don't grow up anymore until they're way way older.
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Speaker 1: That you know, you're you're twenty five years old and
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Speaker 1: you're still like a four what's the difference in a
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Speaker 1: fourteen and twenty five year old in the way you
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Speaker 1: still live at your parents house, you don't have your
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Speaker 1: career going Allen, if you're talking about white boimoer's, I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about a sex predator. Okay, get back on the
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Speaker 1: back in the middle of the road. Alan, back in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the road. How society treats fifteen year
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Speaker 1: our partner. Okay, back to Ted Kaplan. Okay, I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about their relationship and if you want to
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Speaker 1: know more about it, I'm just telling you this reporter
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Speaker 1: at Philly dot com is awesome. I was reading what
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Speaker 1: she wrote. The titleist. Kaplan followed quote God's leading says
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Speaker 1: mother of girls. He took as quote wives. This is
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Speaker 1: by the just Stin McDaniel. I was telling you about
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Speaker 1: and I learned all about his quote marriage to the
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Speaker 1: underage girls. He taught the female members of the family
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Speaker 1: how to be quote wives, that they were made to
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Speaker 1: be submissive. You know, I don't know where that is
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Speaker 1: coming from. I try to focus more on the New
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Speaker 1: Testament in the Old Testament, but um let me just
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Speaker 1: get back to the US. We learned at the get
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Speaker 1: go about their family life and overcrowded ration field home
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Speaker 1: where eleven girls, nine sisters and the oldest girls two daughters.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they were getting queued up to be the
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Speaker 1: next victims, all these children in the home, nine girls
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Speaker 1: and two of their children that they had by him.
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Speaker 1: And we learned how there wasn't enough food and they
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Speaker 1: had to ration the food. And we learned about the
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Speaker 1: relationship the family had with Ted Kaplan before he got
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Speaker 1: ahold of all the children, the mother tried to blame
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Speaker 1: her husband for giving her as a wife to Kaplan,
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Speaker 1: and how it was all about money. It was about money.
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Speaker 1: He propped them up financially. Alan that's where it all started.
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Speaker 1: I am seeing here as I'm looking at this, that
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Speaker 1: the mother actually did enter a guilty plead to child
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Speaker 1: endangerment and got practically nothing, practically nothing, and the father
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Speaker 1: played no contests to the same charge, practically no jail time.
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Speaker 1: And this is another thing I saw and I learned
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Speaker 1: this when I was working at the Atlanta batter Women's
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Speaker 1: Center as a volunteer for almost ten years. The prophet
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Speaker 1: Ted Kaplan brainwashed the family isolated them from the outside
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Speaker 1: world while sexually abusing the girls. And that is Alan
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Speaker 1: want as you know. You know this from all the
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Speaker 1: cases you've studied and covered and investigated. You isolate the
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Speaker 1: victim to where they don't even see there's another way
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Speaker 1: to live. I remember to break my heart when I
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Speaker 1: would be investigating cases and I would go into the
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Speaker 1: quote worst areas to find witnesses, and there would be
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Speaker 1: children growing up with their parents as hookers and dopers,
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Speaker 1: and they knew no other way to live. They didn't
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Speaker 1: know that there was school and college and a life
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Speaker 1: outside of that microcosm. And that is what abusers due
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Speaker 1: to their victims, they don't know there's another life out there.
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Speaker 1: Alan there. It's amazing how there are people who are
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Speaker 1: isolated in this world. But this is purposeful. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's geographic where you just like live in a certain
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Speaker 1: small community and never travel. That could even be in
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Speaker 1: a big city. You just never get out of East
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Speaker 1: l A, let's say. But this guy wouldn't even let
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Speaker 1: them out of the house and completely brainwash them. They
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Speaker 1: would go around the neighborhood and the neighbors could see
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Speaker 1: them tending chickens in the backyard. The girls, all of
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Speaker 1: them were homemade clothes. They had unkempt hair. You could
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Speaker 1: smell urine at the front door. There was no soap,
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Speaker 1: no toothbrushes in the home, the entire home. There were
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Speaker 1: not enough beds for all the children. Mattresses were set
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Speaker 1: up upstairs when those could not be opened. Just it
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Speaker 1: was full of fish tanks, canned food. There was a
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Speaker 1: chicken coop with an egg incubator. I guess that's how
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Speaker 1: they were fed. Alan They would raise chickens and eat
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Speaker 1: the eggs. Nothing wrong with that, No, there's nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with that. I'm just saying they never even left to
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Speaker 1: go to the grocery store too. I mean a large
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Speaker 1: amount of machinery and tools, and a lot of this
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Speaker 1: is photographic evidence that came out at trial. So why
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Speaker 1: do you believe they took such a light plead with
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Speaker 1: the mother and let her get away with this. I
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Speaker 1: always wonder about this when they when they when they
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Speaker 1: do this, We we've we've dealt with this in many
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Speaker 1: other cases where some people like like the lady who
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Speaker 1: is now at kindergarten, volunteering for her kids school, even
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Speaker 1: though she's a serial killer. She got twelve years. How
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Speaker 1: does that happen? I mean, these prosecutors, God bless them.
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Speaker 1: Some of these prosecutors I know are just absolutely wonderful people.
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Speaker 1: But is it just like you go and punch the
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Speaker 1: clock and you want to get the case done? Is
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Speaker 1: that it? You know, there are those who have a
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Speaker 1: fire under you. Obviously had a fire under you, and
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Speaker 1: you got all you could get out of a case.
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Speaker 1: But you know better than me. Why do they do that? Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they thought they needed her testimony
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Speaker 1: in order to make the case, but I disagree. I
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Speaker 1: think the case could have been made very simply with
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Speaker 1: really one witness. The lab worker would perform a DNA
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Speaker 1: test on one of those babies to say the DNA
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Speaker 1: matched Kaplan and one of the underaged girls of the baby.
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Speaker 1: That is scientific evidence? Is that and bam, that's your
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Speaker 1: case right there now? Is that the entire case? No?
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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is you can make this case
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Speaker 1: without the mother. And some of these girls are now
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Speaker 1: teens up in their teams and they can testify clearly.
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Speaker 1: One of them is nineteen at this point. And the
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Speaker 1: more I read about, the more I get upset. These
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Speaker 1: little bitty girls younger than my daughter Lucy, younger than her.
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Speaker 1: As the good method is that you are and that
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Speaker 1: I am. My favorite books in the New Testament were
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Speaker 1: written by Paul. Ephesians write Paul's Letter to the Ephesians
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Speaker 1: my favorite. Okay, the testimony on this guy, I know
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Speaker 1: this is going somewhere. There's testimony that he took the
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Speaker 1: New Testament and he ripped out all of the letters
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Speaker 1: of Paul from the Bible. Those were his least favorite.
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Speaker 1: What does that say about him? You know what, give
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Speaker 1: us a little Bible study? What does that mean if
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Speaker 1: you ripped Paul out of out of the New Testament, Well,
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Speaker 1: you're ripping a lot of it out in you of
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Speaker 1: the New Testament, and you're re lying on the Old
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Speaker 1: Testament where very often you see multiple wives in the
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Speaker 1: Old Testament. None of that is mentioned, as I know it,
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Speaker 1: and I'm certainly no expert. You know, I'm just a
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Speaker 1: rank center and I know that, and that's the deal. Like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I just try to be better. But you know,
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Speaker 1: that's funny that you like Ephesians. My favor is Romans,
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Speaker 1: but which was also written by Paul, who was here's
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Speaker 1: a kicker with that Saul the Christian killer. Saul was
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Speaker 1: the Christian persecutor. Then he became Paul the Apostle. But
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Speaker 1: that's a whole another can of worms. His writings are
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Speaker 1: about love and understanding and really wise, wise letters to these,
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Speaker 1: to these congregations. But they offended this guy. Can I
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Speaker 1: tell you something else? Okay, well, well it's just as
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Speaker 1: chickens here. Listen to this. The wife who I am
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Speaker 1: just she's just killing me, Seville Astolphus said. She stated
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Speaker 1: that she also moved in with Kaplan and that she
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Speaker 1: became jealous of her own daughters and stated that she
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Speaker 1: was forced to compete with her own daughters for Kaplan's
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Speaker 1: sex and affection. You know what, I just I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to be happy until this woman is in jail
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Speaker 1: for what she allowed. But she had a hand in this.
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Speaker 1: She is, in my mind, just as guilty as Kaplan.
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Speaker 1: And I really resent that they used her as a
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Speaker 1: witness and gave her immunity or gave her a cheap deal.
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Speaker 1: You gotta ask some backbone and getting there and believe
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Speaker 1: in your case and not do it well. You know,
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Speaker 1: I used to tell juries, sometimes you gotta go to
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Speaker 1: hell to get the witness to put the devil in jail. So,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not going to trust them. They're
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Speaker 1: not the bad guys. The prosecutors kaplan is the bad guy.
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Speaker 1: The mom is the bad guy, and everybody that knew
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Speaker 1: and once again de facts. You know, they sit on
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Speaker 1: their thumb while this goes down. So this is happening
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Speaker 1: in a Philly suburb. How they didn't know it, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I guess it goes back to the original statement, Alan,
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Speaker 1: see no evil here. No evils speak no evil. As
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Speaker 1: long as you don't look at it, it doesn't exist.
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Speaker 1: We need to talk about that more at some point
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Speaker 1: about when should you speak up? Because there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of reluctance out there to speak up. And you're not kiding, Alan,
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Speaker 1: you are not kidding. You know what I'm gonna do.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hug on my babies. You know they're nine,
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Speaker 1: but can you believe this? All these little girls, it's
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Speaker 1: just it's just awful. And the rest of their lies
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Speaker 1: they're going to grow up with. This is their memory.
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Speaker 1: And this is what I learned about Child plus station victims.
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Speaker 1: You know, they get past the actual act, but the
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Speaker 1: feeling of helplessness and nobody helping them and being powerless.
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Speaker 1: That stays with them forever, forever, the rest of their lives,
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Speaker 1: They're going to have to contend with this thanks to
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Speaker 1: their own mother. So that's that's what I'm screaming this morning.
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Speaker 1: And we should note that a Pennsylvania jury found Lee
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Speaker 1: Kaplan guilty on all seventeen counts of sexually assaulting these
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Speaker 1: underage girls after ten hours of liberation this week, and
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Speaker 1: he could get up to forty years in prison on
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Speaker 1: each count when he sentenced later. That could keep him
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Speaker 1: locked away for the rest of his life. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off goodbye friend,