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Ep. 14 | Legends of Sleepy Hollow | Sasquatch & Sourdough Podcast · Sasquatch & Sourdough

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Sasquatch and Sourdough, the podcast where we embark on a journey into the depths of the unknown.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: History of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Weaving together threads of ancient scripture.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: Tales of high strangeness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tell them about the twinkle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're a seeker of truth.
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• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: What about the Twinkle?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what Sourdough invites you to join us on a journey of discovery, wonder, and delicious.
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  SPEAKER_03: They fill your method, your theory, sir.
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  SPEAKER_00: So grab your backpack, sharpen your senses.
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  SPEAKER_00: And prepare to explore the sacred mysteries of our highly strange world like never before.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: One evening, while returning from a neighboring village, Brahm said he encountered the Knight Rider.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: He challenged the headless fellow and his goblin horse to a race for a bowl of punch and claimed that he would have drunk the victory punch too, as he and his horse, Daredevil, easily trounced the ghost.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: But as they came to the plank bridge, the Hessian bolted and disappeared in a flash of sparks and fire.
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  SPEAKER_02: None of this was lost on Ichabod.
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  SPEAKER_02: Still, he took his turn to speak, reciting some of his old anecdotes from his book of New England witchcraft.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: But here is what I think.
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  SPEAKER_02: All of this just frightened him all the more.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Slowly the party began to break up as the night grew late.
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  SPEAKER_02: The merry makers loaded up their wagons and carriages and rattled home.
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  SPEAKER_02: But convinced he was on the high road to success in the arena of love, Ichabod lingered for a while to court Katrina.
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  SPEAKER_02: What was said or what happened between these two would be lovers late that night, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: But something went terribly wrong.
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  SPEAKER_02: For when he sailed forth, he went not dancing but crestfallen.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was the witching time of night when Ichabod, discouraged and defeated in love, mounted old gunpowder and started his ride homeward.
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  SPEAKER_02: The night was a dismal The night was as dismal as Ichabod himself.
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  SPEAKER_02: His only company was the melancholy chirp of a cricket or a sad hoot of an owl.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now as Ichabod rode into the dark, those stories of ghosts and goblins began creeping into his mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Never had he felt so alone.
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  SPEAKER_02: What was worse, he was approaching one of the spots long famous in ghostly tales.
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  SPEAKER_02: Coming up hard ahead was the giant gnarled tulip tree where Major Andre had been hanged at the hands of British soldiers.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, welcome back to Sasquatch and Sourdough.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am your host, Christina, and I am joined on this spooky night with my beautiful best friend, Crystal.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: Hi everybody.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: Hooray! It's the end of spooky season.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's not over yet.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's not over yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: This episode is probably gonna come out, I think, on Halloween night.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we wanted to give you kind of a palette cleanser episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: Our last two were a little deep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, just a little.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just a little.
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  SPEAKER_02: And spooky.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: So if you haven't gone, if you haven't listened to them, um, our episodes with Alex Shea, please go back and do that.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, she had we had an amazing time with her.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's great.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_06: I really enjoyed beating her.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was really cool.
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  SPEAKER_06: I can't wait to talk to her again.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're definitely gonna have her on.
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  SPEAKER_06: Chalk full of awesome stories, crazy stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But so we wanted to just kind of go back in time a little bit um and give you a little taste of Sleepy Hollow.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sleepy Hollow.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: Sleepy Hollow.
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  SPEAKER_03: So my favorite story.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so this excerpt that you guys heard is from this adorable children's book by Will Moses.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's the legend of Sleepy Hollow, obviously by Washington Irving.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, if you're if you've spent any time in America, you've heard the story of the Headless Horseman.
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  SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just everywhere in pop culture.
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  SPEAKER_06: So the first time I had ever seen the Headless Horseman was when I was a little girl.
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  SPEAKER_06: And we had the Disney Channel, which was not everybody had the Disney Channel, but we had it, and my favorite thing in the world was when they would play Sleepy Hollow.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_06: Favorite Disney story.
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  SPEAKER_06: And um, that's where my love sleepy hollow came from.
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  SPEAKER_06: The Disney Channel.
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  SPEAKER_02: I loved that.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you and so when I would like go back and try to watch it with my son, like when he was little, we would watch that, but we didn't have the Disney Channel, obviously.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was on like Netflix or something, and it was two in one.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: It was the Toad.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: What is it?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: It was um Mr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Toad's Wild Ride.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay, both narrated by Bing Crosby.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: So that's definitely back in the day.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love it.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good, but we had to get through Mr.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: Toad's wild ride.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: We would always fast forward Mr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Toad because it made my son insane.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like it gave me such anxiety because it's just like he had to go, go, go.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_06: What were they what were they weasels?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like the weasels, like his henchmen, yeah, that um overtook the house.
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  SPEAKER_04: The mayor.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they overtook the mayor's house, and they were just really bad.
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  SPEAKER_04: It was ridiculous.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then there was the whole trial.
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  SPEAKER_02: They like Mr.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: Toad was like overthrowing the government, and then he got caught, and but he was for some reason just like rolling around the countryside in a crazy car, and it was just as fast as he could go.
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  SPEAKER_06: He was a wild toad.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you're trying to like get to the nice, quiet, like autumn like boom boom boom boom of like Bill Crosby.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: Bill Crosby?
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  SPEAKER_02: What?
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  SPEAKER_02: Bing Crosby.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm thinking Crosby's still snatching young.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: What am I doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, yeah, so you had to get through that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 7:01
  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, fair Katrina.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um ridiculous.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it was like kind of romantic, and then it just it just got so sad.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, that little retelling is from this really adorable um children's book.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's so well um illustrated, and it tells the entire story of the legend.
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  SPEAKER_02: But we're not gonna really get into the legend tonight.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: What we wanted to do was just share some experiences that um Crystal had, just her experience going there, and then some really interesting, like kind of local lore that is still there.
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  SPEAKER_06: So um, Eric and I, my husband and I, we went to New York one year to see a band in Brooklyn.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_06: And the next morning when we woke up, we didn't want to be in the city anymore.
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  SPEAKER_06: We had had enough of the city, and I've always been really obsessed with Sleepy Hollow, so we decided to take the Hudson River.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_06: We um the road goes through New York City, and it just follows the Hudson River straight up into like um upstate New York.
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  SPEAKER_06: So when we were driving, I started noticing Perrytown, which is the town right before Sleepy Hollow, and I just got so excited.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, all of this is actually real, these places are actually real.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_06: And um, once we got to Sleepy Hollow, I was just like a kid in a candy store.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_06: I couldn't believe it.
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  SPEAKER_06: I was so happy to be out of the busy, horrible city and in this beautiful countryside, and it was full.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_06: I was gonna ask, like it was it was October, so they were gearing up for their like headless horseman festival.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I don't I don't have the book on me, and I'm really sorry, but I bought a book there at the Dutch church.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_06: This man wrote this, wrote this the story about Sleepy Hollow, and he had all of these historical facts about Washington Irving after like each little chapter, and he told all about his life and like where he lived before he wrote the story and the reason why.
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  SPEAKER_06: And so Washington Irving was Irvine was like a budding author, and he didn't get much acclaim.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I think you told me earlier, people thought he was like boring and kind of stale.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: And um he decided to write something fantastical, and it really took off, and it's what gave him a name, and it's what he knew.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he like knew the countryside, yeah.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_06: So, um, so we went to the Dutch church, we saw all of the old tombstones.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_06: Like, you know what the old tombstones look like, where it's like the angels like etched on them.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, but they're like really weird and crude looking, yeah.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_06: They're not very well done.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_06: It's just like a face with like some wings, yeah.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm sure people have seen that before, um, in like really old cemeteries.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_06: So the cemetery is from like the 1700s, and the area was settled like like way before the um revolutionary war.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_06: These people were already settled when the revolutionary war came.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_04: They had like a thriving community.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_06: And um we went to the cemetery, we went over the bridge, the famous bridge.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_06: Oh wow.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_04: We got pictures of the bridge.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um, we just spent the day kind of tooling around the cemetery and pictures of all the beautiful trees and the foliage.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_06: Oh and um it was just one of the most beautiful and like the most beautiful, like little quaint town, you know, because it's everything there is like preserved, historically preserved.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_06: All the buildings and everything are just they're just so cute and I don't know, it's just beautiful.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds amazing.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I love that it was just like, well, let's go.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, because we were well, so we were in Brooklyn and it was like cramped and gross and stinky, and there's like we saw this band, the Deers.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_06: Okay it's like this Indy Rock band from like the early 2000s.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, so um we went to the show, we had a great time at the show, we almost didn't make it home because we didn't know where we were.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we had a we had a cab driver drop us off, and um he was like, I'll be here at the end of the show, and we don't think about it, and we left the show and we were like you know, wandering around Brooklyn, kind of lost, and then here comes the cab driver around the corridor, and he's like, I'm here to get you guys.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: You just saved our lives.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_06: He waited for us.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_06: I feel like that's unheard of.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_06: We didn't think I think he knew we were out of town.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was like kind of scared for us.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, we're from Baltimore, but yeah, Baltimore's tiny, and we know our way around here.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_06: So um he picked us up, he saved our lives, he took us back to our hotel room.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_06: Next morning we woke up, we realized we don't like it here.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_06: We need to go out into the country.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, it was really neat.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was really cool.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I know.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: I've never been there, but I mean, this time of year, that's like all you see on Instagram is like everybody is like there's so many great accounts of just like you know, fall aesthetic in Sleepy Hollow, and it just it has to capture exactly like that magic of fall.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_06: Well, they do this whole thing there too.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_06: We didn't have time to do it because we didn't stay until the evening, but in the evening they do this like haunted house thing, like through the forest, where they dress somebody up as the headless horseman and he like chases you around.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_06: So you take like a haunted pay ride like out into the into the forest where Ichabod Crane would have been walking.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_06: It's like a reenactment.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, yeah, exactly.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_06: It's a reenactment.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_06: And we wanted to do it so bad, but we had to get home to our babies because our kids were little.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_06: Well, we'll go again, we'll go again this time because now they have the same love for it that we're gonna do.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that would be awesome.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: We should definitely do that.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, great trip.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there was um, so you talked about like the old Dutch church.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so there's actually a story about that.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: So they do like a reenactment.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um hang on, let me look at my notes.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cause there's actually a lot of outside of you know, Ichabod Crane and the Headless Horseman and that account and that story, there's still a lot of like weird stuff that happens there.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a story about Hulda, um, and she's like a bohemian witch that got caught up into some of, I guess you would call it like Revolutionary War sort of history, but there's no real telling of whether or not she actually existed.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but what they do is so around Rockefeller State Park, um, it's like a preserve, they do um like a reenactment, and it's really cool.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: They do like a lantern, like a lantern tour at night, and they have like walking tours and a campfire, and what they do is they just like kind of go around and do like a reenactment of like kind of what happened to her.
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  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so not far from Scook Rock is where Holda's cottage was.
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  SPEAKER_06: Holda was a bohemian woman who came without references or kin and settled in the midst of very conservative folks who were familiar with each other's grandparents.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_06: So she was a stranger, so they were suspicious to her.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_06: And in the 1700s, people believed in witches.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_06: They really thought that that was something that you needed to be worried about.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_06: So in those times, if you were a stranger, you were basically guilty until proven otherwise.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_06: So no one would be her friend.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_06: They kept a really hard distance from her.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_06: She used to do things like gather herbs, and um, she knew specific remedies for um curing colds and fevers.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_06: She was very wise.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was also something that women should not be in that time.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: It really reminds me of Mulder.
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  SPEAKER_06: Mm-hmm.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_06: She wove baskets, and um basically she was just a woman in her own right, and everyone was very suspicious of her.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_06: So she spent a long time just kind of hanging out by herself in her hut, and people stayed really far away from her.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_06: And then when the revolutionary times came and all of the men started marching and patrolling the highways um that were there through the town to like to intercept cattle thieves and things like that, um she was the type of woman that would come out and fight for her own property.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_06: So she got her rifle and she came out and she fought.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_06: Like when it came down to it, and I'm yeah, when it was time for like the local militia to rise up and fight for their land and their right to be there, she fought and she fought really well.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_06: Oh wow, and that was when everyone realized, like, wow, this woman, she's she's with us.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like she's not so strange anymore.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: She's like a patriot.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, exactly.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_06: But unfortunately, she was killed in action while she was fighting for her, you know, with her property.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_06: So the people had a change of heart and they decided to give her a Christian burial in the Dutch church.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_06: So you can actually find her tombstone there along one of the furthest walls.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_06: So they thought, witch or not, she was a hard fighter and she helped us out, and we feel kind of bad.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_06: So they buried her in the church, and then um they went to her home to see if there was anything that they could like bury her with, and they found her Bible, and um inside of her Bible there was a little piece of paper that informed the people that lived there that she actually had a cash full.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_06: What?
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, she was planning on giving it to the widows um who lost their husbands.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my gosh.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_06: Then they felt really bad.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: They were like, man, we treated this woman like dirt.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: So hmm, let's see.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: I see a correlation here.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: Not a witch.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Not a witch.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, pretty Christian.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: She's not a Bible.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_04: And she was planning Christian.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: She was doing exactly what you're supposed to do, is take care of the widows and orphans.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, bad time, bad, superstitious people.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: That happened all the time.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because I think this account, there's I know Holda, the Bohemian.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: She's probably Hungarian.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: She's probably my ancestor.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: She's such an amazing gypsy woman.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but like what I've actually kind of found is like, so in this account, it's interesting because it's it's this um, it should say that it's from like where it's from.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: The guy who he did like a historical yeah, it's an excerpt from Chronicles of Terrytown, which was the original name before they renamed, or no, it was yeah, right?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: It was Terrytown and Sleepy Hollow.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_06: Um but now they've renamed everything.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_06: So they actually renamed the area Sleepy Hollow for the acclaimed story because it brings in horrorism.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_06: You know, that's not really spoken about too often, but it was Terrytown.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like on the old maps.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: But so that was an excerpt from Chronicles of Terrytown and Sleepy Hollow by Edgar Mayhew Bacon, 1897.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: So he was kind of like the historic, like the historical um historian, I guess, uh, that wrote all of the history.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because in his account, like he says, like a hundred years ago, people were very superstitious.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: People really believed in witchcraft.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: So even when I've gone back and like done when I was doing research on like Mul Dyer, we have an episode on that, that was like a same kind of thing.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, don't really know if she existed, but she was a healer woman in a hut somewhere and met a bad end because of people's superstitions.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but what they do, I feel like there's kind of like this trope, I guess, of like in the 1800s, when we're writing our history down, we need to really remind ourselves that, oh, back in those days, everyone was really super.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: So they're kind of like rebranding themselves of like, we're not really superstitious anymore.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're not really getting into all the witchcraft stuff.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: We don't believe in that anymore.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: This is just like, I don't know if it's an excuse to like, you know.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_06: I guess I feel like you don't see the term witch anymore branded on women that are executed because they're strange and unusual.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: We kind of got over that.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_06: That was a term that you'll see often.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_06: There were so many witches.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_06: Because people just, you know, they used that term for women that were educated, intelligent, clever.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: Healing of some sort, like definitely had some sort of arts, right?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_06: Which is just herbology.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_06: We still use it to this day.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: I used it when we we were just sick, and I had like I made it last year.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: I had to throw it out though, because I didn't do it right.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: We should definitely do an episode on like remedies and how to do them properly.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: I had like garlic and honey that I had for like a year, and it was like, yes, as soon as we're sick, I'm gonna use this.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I brought it out, it's been sitting on my windowsill of my kitchen, and like I brought it out, and like the top of it had like it was like black, and I was like, I'm not giving this to my family.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's black hole.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to do that.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but so so okay, this is really funny.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of superstition, I so you know I've been doing like all these like prayer hikes and stuff like that.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I was doing that in like the park that we always go to.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: My usual like hike up and down, it was like beautiful fall day.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I wasn't really sure like what you know, I was just kind of like in my zone, and I was like, all right, I'm you know, what should I be praying about?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I got like the feeling to like pray against like superstition.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: So listen to this.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is crazy.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: You can't make this stuff up.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm walking my usual way, but I stopped because when I got down to like where I was gonna go downhill, there was like a lady with a dog, and I was like, I don't feel like dealing with this.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I turned around and went back the other way.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: So it was kind of like that tea area where it's like we walk usually um in this like big sort of like wooded area that is right next to a graveyard.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: So when I walked back, I was at like the crossroad of like the path from the graveyard, and then the path to like go downhill, like to go back where I came.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Not kidding.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: As soon as I was I got like the feeling to like pray against like superstition, I walk, I turn to my right, can't make this up.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: I look down the path into the woods, there's a black cat.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh, okay.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like this kind of superstition.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like people back in the day would have been like, What?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_06: That was part of the reason why the black leg became so you know.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: I I don't know what the word is, but um out of hand.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, out of hand.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_06: There you go.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_06: So the I think it was like a pope or somebody like that decided that cats were evil, so he killed all the cats.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_06: And then there weren't any cats anymore to kill the cats.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_06: To eat the rats that had the fleas that had the click.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's like an amazing nursery story.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_04: It is, but the nursery arrived.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_04: Killed the cats, killed the rats, and had the fleas that had the clique.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: And then everybody died in the 15th century.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_04: Now everyone died.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Stop killing cats.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was like three-quarters of the population.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't know.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Cats are, I don't know.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Some cats, I look at them and I'm like, what are you what are you thinking?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: What are you thinking about?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: What are you thinking about?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_05: They have deep green works.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: They really do.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: They're in another dimension.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, so I so when we were kind of doing a little bit of research about this, I looked up, like, I I don't really know a lot about Washington Irving.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: So he he did like a whole um, he's known for like a I guess he did like a history of George Washington that didn't really.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, everything back then was like kind of, you know, boring.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's like reading Moby Dick.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, it's like 18,000 pages of just try to slog through that one.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, I had to, because I was an English major and I had to write a paper about it, so I had to pay attention, and I was like, this is all about whaling.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: I have zero interest in this.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to know anything about whaling ever again.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but Washington Irving, so this is a really fun, weird fact um that really piqued my interest.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: So Edgar Allan Poe, I think I have a quote here.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um oh, he uh he did not really, really like him.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, quote, that Irving is much overrated.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he said that in the 18 in 1838.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: And like critics also claimed that he catered to the British sensibility.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: So it was kind of like they didn't like him because I guess when he was trying to like be popular and you know write history.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: He lived abroad for a long time.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_06: He lived like over in Europe for a while.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that was probably contentious back then.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like they didn't like that.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_06: I think he had a lot, I think he was he grew up with money.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he wasn't like a starving artist like Edgar Allan Poe.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_05: An orphan who like needed everybody's help.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_05: You know.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: I just love that.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh wow.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Look at Edgar just throwing everybody under the bus.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: It kind of reminds me of you know that there's like he didn't have any reputation to lose.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, he didn't.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_06: And me what I say.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: But there's like, it reminded me, as soon as I read that, I was like, this really reminds me of.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you know this, but I just found this out.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: Robert Smith like hated Morrissey.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: They hate each other.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I did know that.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_06: I remembered learning that when I was obsessed with them.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: So, guys, we obviously like loved the Smiths and the Cure and That's like what we grew up with.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's like the basis of my whole entire music music, you know, education.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I love that I love, I just started seeing that because I think we like followed like uh like I think on Instagram, like our account follows like some cure fans account.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: And and it's funny because that account like takes sides with Robert Smith, and I'm like, what are you guys, 10?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, come on.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: But it's so funny because in it if you look at old interviews, like Robert Smith's just like, yeah, he's boring.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like the same thing.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Or no, what did he say?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: He said he was like, a pompous ass?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Or no, it was more like I it must be like I I can't find I don't know the quote, but it was something along the lines of like it's gotta be exhausting being that like um like uh intellectual, that's what it was.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, wow, that's a whole burn.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know, but we digress.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, he but but Washington Irving outside of like all of Sleepy Hollow, I promise we'll get back to like a couple, we have a couple more things.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I thought this was really crazy.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: So what he did, um, outside of being like overrated, he wrote like he had a book called The Sketchbook, and he kind of defends like traditional Christmas in this book.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's really interesting.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's like five um or six like stories, like Christmas traditional stories.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so what he did is after that, like in so in 1812, he wrote uh revisions to a history of New York, and he inserted a dream sequence of St.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: Nicholas like soaring over treetops in a flying wagon, and that's where we get like our image of Santa Claus.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so it's really neat because like he create.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I don't really, I don't know enough to like speed that would have to be like something I have to look into, but it's it's just so cool to me.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we have all of this stuff that we know like now, like we know about the legend of Sleepy Hollow, like we know you know, it's yeah, like everything that we're kind of like it's such a big thing around this time of year, and then obviously we have like our Christmas traditions, um, you know, that we're so used to, and we don't really think about like in those times though, here's this guy who like everybody's kind of poo-pooing, and then he like gave us all of these really interesting and cool traditions, so good job.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_06: It's like a fantastical way of looking at you know St.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_06: Nicholas.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: I love St.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Nicholas.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: And look, we're back to Christmas, Christmas.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, I know, exactly.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just I'm almost there, but like, and apparently I don't know exactly the correlation, but there is some sort of like flat earth tie to to Washington Irving.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I I just wrote that down as a note for all of our flat earth friends.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: We you are seen.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: You are seen in love.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we digress.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so in your uh in that like kind of little retelling of um hold up.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: I feel so bad for her.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there was a mention of Spook Rock, and so there is like an actual kind of it's supposed to be a pretty haunted area.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't find any like haunting like people's accounts now, but a lot of it is just kind of like stuff that happened back then that it's like it's known to be like kind of like haunted or whatever.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this is one of the origin stories of of um of Spook Rock, and there is like a white, a lady in white that is supposed to have been seen.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I do too.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: And there's they're like all over the place, the Lady in White stories.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: So they're supposed to be that, but then I found this is really interesting.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so the quick version is a young Native American hunter one quiet night finds himself in the presence of a celestial of celestial maidens enraptured in dance and song atop spook rock, or as he knows it, a sacred council rock of his people.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Amazed by the sight, he gasps and in doing so scares away the maidens, excluding one who lingers to lay eyes on the intruder before she vanishes uh vanishes with her brethren up into the sky.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so that's really cool.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: Unable to sleep, eat, or think straight, the native hunter returns repeatedly to Spook Rock in hopes of finding the maidens dancing there again, but he doesn't see them.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: Eventually, after some time has passed, his diligence is rewarded, and he crashes their revelry to capture the beautiful maiden who had lingered before.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: He marries and has a child with the celestial maiden.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: And while at first she seemed to miss her home in the stars, she soon falls into domestic bliss.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: After some years, the sound of singing and cavorting echoes from the woods, as it often does, and longing once again returns in her, but she holds fast.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Another night of the sounds of her friends proves too much, and she leaves her husband and child and does not come back.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: His mother gone, the child cries, won't eat, and eventually dies.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: The native hunter buries his son along the banks of the Pacantico and racked with despair, walks off into the wilderness and is never seen again.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: His hut falls apart with the passing of the years, and when it is not in when it is no more than a ruin, the celestial maiden returns.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: She thinks she has only been gone for a few hours, when years have passed instead, and finds her family and child missing and their hut a pile of rubble.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: She doesn't understand the unequal passage of time, thinks it's a cruel trick, or that she has the wrong, the wrong time.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: It is said that on a clear and quiet night with a crisp blanket of stars overhead, you can see lights dancing in the woods at Spook Rock.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: And even then, you might see the celestial maiden moving alone through the forest along the Bucantico River, forever searching for what she lost.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_06: That sounds like a fairy hole.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Or a portal.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_06: In fairy lore, when you are drawn into the fairy realm, you lose time.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_06: And when you come back, you are the same age as you were when you left because time is completely different in the fairy realm.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_06: So when there's this um old story, I don't remember where it's from, but there was a man in the forest, and he gets lured into the fairy realm by dancing with women, and it's an all-night party where he just dances all night long, and then when the sun rises, he leaves and he goes home, and he thinks it's just been an evening of him dancing, but it's actually been like a hundred years or something.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_06: Oh wow, and everyone he knew is dead and gone, and he still looks exactly the same as he did when he left.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_06: That's fairy lore.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: So now, like today, it says that if you if you look at spook rock, um, it's hard to imagine like how so it's like a large flat boulder.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um so when you're looking at it, you're like, how can you just have like all these dancing maidens?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's also it says like you can also see how like uh local tribes like would have like picked that spot for a place of meeting.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: So there's not a lot of like chunks of rock.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like really sort of like a flat sort of boulder.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess they were probably like around that area.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but this says we will never know if it ever truly was a sacred native site or a council rock or what likely mundane occurrence uh prompted a traveler to think that they hear so people like would report hearing singing and like lights through the trees at night.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: But the spot does have some magic to it, whether it has always been there or if it's due to the power of the story itself.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: But like I can't find any accounts.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: So if anybody is from like that part of New York or or knows any lore, I would be interested to know that because that is 100% very low.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, the dancing, yeah, the the loss of time.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_06: Definitely, and being that she when she when she left, her child died.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_06: It was like her magical spirit was attached to the child, and maybe that's what called her back.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, maybe the child was like part fairy, part human and couldn't live without her.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: I love all the fairy lore.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I love it.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_06: It's actually a place near Sleepy Hollow.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_06: Not very near, but on the way back home when you travel through um New Jersey, there's this whole park that's dedicated to fairies.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, really?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_06: And people go there and they make like little fairy doors and things on the tree trunks.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_06: So it's like a path, and it's like the fairy path or something.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_06: I don't actually remember what it's called.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_06: But um, one of my friends had posted it on some social media site, and I was like, Oh my god, I gotta visit this place.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_06: So it's like a fairy path, and on the trunks of the trees are all the little fairy doorways that people have just made.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_06: And they look put there, yeah.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like whimsy.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like you would see kids there and be like, oh, fairy doorway.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's really cute.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: So that's the origin story of like spook rock.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: Now, this doesn't give I mean, I guess this would be before um the account of like the witch lady.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: What Hulda.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't give a it doesn't give a year, but it's like if it's back in the Native American, yeah.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: So it's probably I just think that's really that's awesome.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: So like what a cool origin story of both cultures, you know.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: We don't I've never heard of anything like that before, like Native American and like fairy lore together.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like uh that would be like Irish or Scottish, you know, where the fairies come from.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, we should be.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: Scottish lore.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I was on um Tommy Collins' uh Let's Get Freaky podcast.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: And he we're gonna have him on.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: He's awesome.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, go watch or listen to all of his stuff.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's great.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I want to have him on to tell us like because he's in England, in England.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, he's in Essex, England.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, you're an Essex.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I'm close to an Essex.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, it's probably not anything like your Essex.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, I don't know.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: There's some suspots in England too.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: But I want to have him on to tell us like all the cool like fairy stuff that he knows.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I have one.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: This is oh, this is so funny.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: So this website was really, really cool, guys.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: If you're interested, um, they have a ton.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's like outside of like folklore and ghost stories, there's uh crime and murder, like there's all kinds of stuff um that's going on, like weird and unexplained things in that part of Sleepy Hollow.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's uh Sleepy Hollow Country.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'll post that in the description.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: But one thing that was hilarious to me was, and I don't know if anybody, so somebody posted online, trying to think of who it was, but they were talking about seeing a black squirrel and how oh, that's the first time I've ever seen a black squirrel in Sleepy Hollow.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_06: Really?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, I saw one, and Eric told me that they are popular in DC.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, they are in DC in like Arlington, Virginia.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, that's where they come from.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, I saw this squirrel and I couldn't believe it.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a black squirrel?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, they exist, and guess what?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: They exist around here.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so we're actually recording at Crystal's house because she has um an amazing Halloween, just her Crystal and I have like two different Halloween aesthetics going on.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Hers is like super amazingly spooky, and I am just like red country pumpkin.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I've got every type of like happy fall, y'all.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's Christina.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh back in the day, I would have like been in complete competition with you, but now I'm in competition with my um my neighbor across the street with how many fantasy pumpkins I can put on my front porch.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: So that's where I am.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, happy fall, y'all.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_06: Um R movies every single day.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_06: I got some really spooky characters and I cut on.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you do.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, you've got you actually have something that looks like a I have the plague docker.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you've got the plague docker.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_06: So this is like the perfect like aesthetic for us to um I fell in love with Tom and Home Depot and I said I must have him.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Come home with me.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: Don't bring any rats or cats.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: No, he like protects us from rats and cats and their fleas and they're pigs.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: And the squirrels.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: But um, oh man, who was it?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to think, but we have there's black squirrels around here.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: So the park that we go to is very close to here.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: And it's crazy because every time I drive the same way, it's like I see the same black squirrel, and I'm like, oh, there you are.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hello.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_06: Our friend, I'm not gonna say her name, but we have a friend that I used to walk with around our neighborhood.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_06: And when we would walk back there towards the park on this specific road, we would see a family of black squirrels.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_06: And I freaked out because I was like, the only time I've ever seen these things was in New York.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_06: And Eric sees them in Washington, DC.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_06: So she was like, I've never seen a black squirrel.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_06: It's crazy.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you have.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_06: And I think we saw them like three or four times walking the same road.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_06: It's like a whole little family.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_06: They're reproducing.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: They are.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, when I was going through this website, it was like squirrel squirrel lore or something.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, What?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on with the squirrel?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: So apparently, there's one account of like this was in the 1800s where there was apparently a bunch of trash that was like liquor, liquor chocolate liqueur, I guess.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so the squirrels, it was like outside of a bar, and like the squirrels got into it and started acting crazy.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: I guess.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then here's one.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, so it this this is again from the same website.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's called those wild and crazy Terrytown squirrels.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Once again, we thank the daily item of Port Chester, New York for the story about Terrytown squirrels.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: While squirrel attacks against humans are not unknown, they aren't an everyday occurrence unless you happen to be on Beekman Avenue in May of 1948 when the squirrels seemed to go berserk.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: Berserk.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: Berserker.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um berserker squirrels.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: Over the course of two days, squirrels allegedly attacked three people on Beekman Avenue in North Terrytown, today's Sleepy Hollow.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: In the first incident, a squirrel leaped upon a 16-year-old um biting her on both wrists.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: The squirrel quickly turned its attention uh to another lady gnawing on her finger.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: The Daily Item reported both the victims of squirrel attacks were treated at Terrytown Hospital, and the Humane Society was called upon to send protection against the animals for the rabbits for the populace.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Can we just put them down?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Were they rabbits?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would imagine.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Did everybody that got bit die?
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: It says the Terrytown squirrel or squirrels attacked again two days later, biting Andrew Galidos as he walked near the Van Tassel apartments.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: This time the SPCA, so this is in the 40s, actually sent a representative to investigate the situation.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: But the newspaper reported he searched in vain for the maraudering beasts and couldn't find them.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: We think we think our friends in Fort Chester searched in vain for a real news story.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: So this is probably another made-up.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds real to me.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_06: That's the rabid squirrels.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Why wouldn't you just shoot it?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_06: Did they know what the rabies were in the 40s?
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: I would imagine, yeah.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: I hope so.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they have the S yeah.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_06: Why shouldn't they ask for that?
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: Just shoot the squirrel.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_04: Just shoot every squirrel you see.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the rabbit wine, it's like on your finger.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I thought that was really funny.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like of all the things to come across, just rabbit or zerk squirrels.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: So watch out.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, I think that'll I think that'll do it here.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: We just wanted to give you a little palette cleanse.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um be uh I don't know.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: We're kind of segueing.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: We naturally segue, and I like it.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe we'll have to do a deep dive into fairies.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_06: I think that's a great idea.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_06: I love to do a deep dive into fairies.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: Ever since I like, I think one of the best like accounts, just like podcasts.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: I used to love the lore podcast.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out Aaron Minke.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um and that he did an account of like the changeling, and there are some spooky stories.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_05: They're really awesome.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: Just people like really, again, getting wrapped up in superstition.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Fairy male.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: How do you explain that?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: So many weird things.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_06: But I want to say something very quickly.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_06: So the Appalachian Mountain, where this would have occurred in New York, actually at one time when there was a landmass called Pangea.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_06: And the mountains and the highlands of Scotland are the same exact mountain range.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_06: That's right.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_06: So if you have fairies and fairy mounds in Scotland, you may very well have them here in the United States in the Appalachian Valley.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then we'll get into portals.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: So coming soon.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's exciting.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like there has there's an explanation for something.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like all of the weirdness is already like the veil is thinning.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: Here we are.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about the weird portals of fairy magic.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_06: The ancient, old things that love it.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: I do too.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we love you guys.
• 43:06
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• 43:07
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• 43:12
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• 43:17
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• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: The website's coming, I promised.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_06: We want to interview more people.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, we want to hear your stories.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_06: We loved having Alex J.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: Gosh, it's so great.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_06: Will you be our next Alex J?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Will you be the next who will be next?
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: The pig.
• 43:32
  unknown: Rats.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we went from rats rats and fleas and squirrels.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, so just keep keep all that stuff uh coming our way, and we will talk to you guys soon.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: This will actually probably drop on Halloween, so be safe out there.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: Happy Halloween.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, go through all your candy.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_06: All of our spooky people.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_06: Spookies!
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: Spooky, spooky, spooky, spooky, and then it's on to Christmas.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_06: No, not yet.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_06: Not yet.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_06: Thanksgiving.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so yeah, turkey time.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, uh, yeah, that's gonna do it.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: So until next time, bye! Bye.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: You have been listening to Sasquatch and Sourdough.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Christina, and thank you so much for tuning in.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Sasquatch and Sourdough is so much more than just a podcast.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: We are a community of kindred spirits, united by our curiosity and fascination with the extraordinary.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: And we want to bring you into the conversation.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: So whether you've had a brush with the unexplainable, seen something that you can't quite wrap your head around, this is your space.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: We invite you to join us as we break bread and break down the barriers between the known and the unknown.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to share your story, you can email us at sasquatch and sourdough at gmail.com or send us a DM on Instagram.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: Until next time, remember, the truth is out there.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.