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NATO, the Pope, the Ceasefire, and the Reconciliation Bill · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: and I'm beginning the program with the United States Senator
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  Speaker 1: John Houston from my home state of Ohio. Senator, welcome back,
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  Speaker 1: always good to see you. I want to start by
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  Speaker 1: complimenting you and Senator Marino on working with the White
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  Speaker 1: House to nominate Ben Flowers to the Sixth Circuit. The
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  Speaker 1: former House listener General is a fine judge. Have you
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  Speaker 1: figured out how the whole addicial business work shet out
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  Speaker 1: in your second year?
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I'm I'm a learning process that I am living,
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  Speaker 2: and Benflowers will do great on the sixth Circuit. I
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  Speaker 2: have fortunate, unfortunately and fortunately been to the Sixth Circuit
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  Speaker 2: many times as Secretary of State on election law issues,
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  Speaker 2: and it's going to be great to have somebody who
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  Speaker 2: has a conservative worldview on on law and the Constitution
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  Speaker 2: joined the sixth Circuit.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's going to take for Jeff Sutton and stepping
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  Speaker 1: up to senior status. And I've been doing this long enough.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when Jeff Sutton was confirmed. And that's a
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  Speaker 1: good following, a good that's a great following, a great
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  Speaker 1: Second local question, I have not asked you about East
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  Speaker 1: Liverpool in a while you're on environmental and public affairs.
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  Speaker 1: Has East Liverpool been made whole? Are we have we
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  Speaker 1: taken care of East Liverpool? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: The East Palestine with the fact with the train, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We have too.
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  Speaker 4: We have East Palestine and East Liverpool.
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  Speaker 3: Right, East Liverpool is closer to Warren.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I said East Liverpool. But East Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I keep in regular touch with the
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  Speaker 2: mayor there in East Palestine. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good things that are happening. The environmental cleanup is is
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  Speaker 2: you know, and its final, you know, elements of and
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  Speaker 2: monitoring is going on to make sure that the water
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  Speaker 2: there is clean and without pollutants. And there's also going
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  Speaker 2: to be hopefully some economic development that comes from it.
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  Speaker 4: Because I know that the State.
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  Speaker 2: With our assistance and working with Norfolk Southern, are going
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  Speaker 2: to build. There's going to build a training facility there,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully put some infrastructure in as well to maybe give
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  Speaker 2: them an opportunity for an industrial park. But we're we
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  Speaker 2: continue to work collaboratively with them, and of course I'm
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  Speaker 2: sponsoring the Rail Safety Act to make sure that something
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  Speaker 2: like this does not happen again in East Liverpool, East Liver,
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  Speaker 2: East Palestine, East Liverpool, or anywhere else for that matter,
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  Speaker 2: as we don't we don't want, we don't need any
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  Speaker 2: more train accidents and and uh and and and any
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  Speaker 2: spills that put any.
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  Speaker 4: Community in the position that the East Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: Was in ut center not much of a curve ball
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  Speaker 1: because you're on Environment and Public Works. President opened up
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  Speaker 1: a new pipeline from I think the Pittsburgh area up
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  Speaker 1: to New York to deliver natural gas permitting reform. I
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  Speaker 1: know if that's in front of your committee. But with
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  Speaker 1: oil up at ninety four dollars a barrel, is permitting
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  Speaker 1: reform going to make it? Do the Democrats realize we
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  Speaker 1: absolutely have to move our oil and natural gas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Hugh, I think it's the most important
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  Speaker 2: underdiscussed issue pending in Congress right now, because if we
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  Speaker 2: want to compete with China. We've got to be able
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  Speaker 2: to go faster in building our infrastructure, whether that is
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  Speaker 2: judicial reform, the neeper reform, all that's part of permitting reform.
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't care where you are, we don't need.
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  Speaker 2: The case I've been making the Democrats is is that, look,
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  Speaker 2: you may not like it when President Trump cancels your
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  Speaker 2: wind farm.
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  Speaker 3: Well we don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: When President Obama and President Biden cancel pipeline projects. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so once they're permitted, they should stay permitted. We shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: change the rules on these kinds of things. But if
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  Speaker 2: you ever want to be build, I say to the Democrats,
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  Speaker 2: you want to build high speed rail, you want to
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  Speaker 2: build reservoirs, you want to build power lines from the
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  Speaker 2: desert to the city, you have to have permitting reform,
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  Speaker 2: just like we need permitting reform to put gas pipelines
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  Speaker 2: that will help get to refineries, get to a natural
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  Speaker 2: gas to help heat heat homes, to fuel industrial parks,
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  Speaker 2: to fuel to build up the electric power generation sites
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  Speaker 2: that we need to help drive down the cost of electricity.
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  Speaker 2: Because look, as we're building more data centers to help
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  Speaker 2: with with e commerce and AI, well we don't want
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  Speaker 2: electricity prices to go up, so we got to build
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  Speaker 2: more energy. So permitting reform is foundational to doing that.
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  Speaker 2: And they will they tell you. Anyone in the private
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  Speaker 2: sector says, Look, the estimate is one point five trillion
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  Speaker 2: dollars in private capital sitting on the sidelines waiting for
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  Speaker 2: permitting reform to happen.
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  Speaker 4: That will help boost the American accout of me.
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  Speaker 1: Boy, if you get that done, what a boom, especially
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  Speaker 1: if the strait remains closed or at least endangered for
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  Speaker 1: any period of time. Now let me turn to the
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  Speaker 1: green eye shaded stuff. You're on the Appropriations Committee. For
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of everyone listening, that's probably the most important
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  Speaker 1: committee in the Congress. Susan Collins is your chair. You
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  Speaker 1: got eleven out of twelve appropriations bills done this year
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  Speaker 1: for the first time in like thirty years. DHS is
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  Speaker 1: still not done. What have you and your colleagues and
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Conference and leaders thought? What have you decided
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  Speaker 1: to do? Are you doing reconciliation? Are you going to
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  Speaker 1: make another run at getting DHS open? What's the deal?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's going to go through the Budget Committee
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  Speaker 2: for reconciliations.
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  Speaker 4: What I believe is going to happen. Remember what the
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  Speaker 4: Democrats did.
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  Speaker 2: They refuse to fund the Department of Homeland Security, even
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  Speaker 2: when we're an even when we're in the heart of
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  Speaker 2: a conflict with the leading sponsor of state terrorism or on.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to fund homeland Security. But what they
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  Speaker 2: really don't want to fund is border control. They don't
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  Speaker 2: want to fund uh, immigrations and custom enforcement. They they
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  Speaker 2: literally are defunding the police at the most critical time
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  Speaker 2: that we need them. Uh and and UH So we're
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  Speaker 2: going to do this through the reconciliation process. That's what
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  Speaker 2: we the President needs us to get done.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we need to get done.
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  Speaker 3: We hope to go quickly.
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  Speaker 4: I hope in a matter of a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 4: that's going to be accomplished.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to reiterate, Democrats, at the point we
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  Speaker 2: are in the middle of this conflict with Iron, don't
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  Speaker 2: want to fund the Department of Homeland Security.
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  Speaker 4: UH.
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  Speaker 2: And you you know the stories of the most recent
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  Speaker 2: one heartbreaking murder of uh in Chicago. Uh of the
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  Speaker 2: young college student there I think is Shearedan Borman.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and loyal in Chicago, you have you have people
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  Speaker 2: coming into this country.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, because this is.
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  Speaker 3: A Democrat strategy.
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  Speaker 2: Let them all come in, house them in sanctuary cities
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  Speaker 2: and sanctuary states, defund the Department of Homeland Security so
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  Speaker 2: none of them can be deported. That's what we're going
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  Speaker 2: to put it into.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I hope you get it done in the reconciliation.
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  Speaker 1: Last question center, will the Defense supplemental be attached to
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  Speaker 1: the DHS budget reconciliation bill or is it just going
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  Speaker 1: to be a straight funding for the agency.
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  Speaker 2: Look, a lot of people have creative ideas. I think
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  Speaker 2: that the reconciliation is going to be very narrow focused
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  Speaker 2: on DHS because we need to get it done now.
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  Speaker 2: And anytime you add something to it, even if it's
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  Speaker 2: a good idea, if it slows the process down, I
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  Speaker 2: think that that detracts from our mission. And there's still
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  Speaker 2: plenty of time to get the DHS or the supplemental
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  Speaker 2: on the military accomplished before the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Senator John Houston, always good to talk to you and
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  Speaker 1: catch up. Congratulations again on Bend Flowers and other good
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  Speaker 1: judicial nominees. You're doing great work for there for the
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  Speaker 1: state of Ohio, and I appreciate your doing it and
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  Speaker 1: joining me today. Thank you, Senator. Hey everybody out there,
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  Speaker 6: It would be only one to be willing to extendency fire.
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  Speaker 7: I would say, the fighting if there's no deal, fighting results.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, that price minimum to stop enriching uranium, would you, Well.
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  Speaker 7: We haven't agreed to any We haven't agreed to any point.
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  Speaker 7: What we have is we we have a statement, very
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  Speaker 7: very powerful statement, but they will not have beyond twenty
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  Speaker 7: years that they will not have nuclear weapons. That's beyond
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  Speaker 7: there's no twenty year limits.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. That's President Trump on the White
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  Speaker 1: House lawn last hour. I'm joined now by the United
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  Speaker 1: States Senator Tom Cotton from Arkansas, member of the Senate
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  Speaker 1: Armed Services Committee, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Senator Cotton.
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  Speaker 1: President just said, no deal, the fighting resumes. He also
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  Speaker 1: just said no twenty year limit on enrichment, no enrichment period.
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  Speaker 1: Do you understand those both to be the red lines?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, Hugh I don't know what more to say
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  Speaker 8: to people who doubt this.
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  Speaker 9: The President has said this.
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  Speaker 8: Now for nine years, more than nine years if you
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  Speaker 8: includes campaign, I guess eleven years, that Iron cannot have
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  Speaker 8: the infrastructures needed to make nuclear weapons. It's not just
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  Speaker 8: a promise that Iron is going to make the United
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  Speaker 8: States and suplis world for three or five or ten
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  Speaker 8: or twenty years.
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  Speaker 9: That was the heart of Barack Obama deal with them.
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  Speaker 8: It's just relying on the promises of a revolutionary, fanatical
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  Speaker 8: terrorist regime.
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  Speaker 9: They can't have the tools and the infrastructure to do so.
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  Speaker 8: And the President has been totally clear about it, going
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  Speaker 8: back to his first campaign, and that's why we largely
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  Speaker 8: destroyed that program last summer, and that's why, in part
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  Speaker 8: we launched Operation Epic Theory, because they had not abandoned
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  Speaker 8: their nuclear ambissions, and they.
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  Speaker 9: Were hoping to go to the North Korea.
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  Speaker 8: Route, which is to build an impenetrable conventional wall of
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  Speaker 8: missiles and drones that would deter the United States and
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  Speaker 8: Israel from ever striking their nuclear term bram Again.
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  Speaker 1: They have clearly failed at that, and now we've got
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  Speaker 1: the blockade, and we had a great press conference this
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  Speaker 1: morning from Sectary Heccess and General Kane. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: we will maintain that blockade as long as it's necessary
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  Speaker 1: to bring it on to its needs center.
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  Speaker 8: I think what you saw for five or six weeks
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  Speaker 8: is the United States and Israel pulverizing Iran's military, their
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  Speaker 8: missiles and missile launchers, their drones, their navy, their air force,
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  Speaker 8: their command and from facilities, headquarters. And now we're also
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  Speaker 8: putting them in an economic vice. Every day that ships
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  Speaker 8: can't go into an out of Iranian ports, they're losing
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  Speaker 8: somewhere on the order of about a half billion dollars.
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  Speaker 8: And that's just not a price that iron.
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  Speaker 9: Continue to pay, given that their economy was.
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  Speaker 8: Already in shambles and they were already suffering from hyperinflation.
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  Speaker 9: So I think the present's point of view that he stated.
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  Speaker 8: Last week when the block gets started or is either
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  Speaker 8: everything comes out or nothing comes out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I hope he does, and I hope Americans have
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  Speaker 1: the patience and the willingness to sacrifice because this regime
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  Speaker 1: has got to go away. Senator, if I can switch
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  Speaker 1: over to the supplemental I know there's no official request CHET,
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  Speaker 1: but Senator Houston from the great State of Ohio, about
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  Speaker 1: whom you could learn some things about football. Senator Houston
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  Speaker 1: just told me that he expects the reconciliation to be
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  Speaker 1: very narrow and not have a lot of ads on
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  Speaker 1: just get the DHS funded and open. Is that what
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing.
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  Speaker 8: Too, Yeah, Hugh that what we're going to proceed on
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  Speaker 8: next week is a bill that's going to fund border
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  Speaker 8: patrol and immigrations and customs enforcement to the end of
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  Speaker 8: the Trump presidency. We're not going to let the Democrats,
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  Speaker 8: you know, for instance, take TSA and American Flying public
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  Speaker 8: hostage games that want to defund the immigration police. What
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  Speaker 8: we heard this morning from Secretary at Hesath is the
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  Speaker 8: Department is not ready yet to provide us the.
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  Speaker 9: Final numbers, in part because you heard the President.
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  Speaker 8: Saying that Climpey just played. We're very very possible we
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  Speaker 8: might see a renewal of the fighting. We'll get that
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  Speaker 8: supplemental request eventually, though, when the Department has a firm number,
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  Speaker 8: and you know, the tradition has been by partisan support situations.
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  Speaker 8: This is you know, replenishing prior defenses. But it's the Democrats,
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  Speaker 8: you know, we're digging in their heels and.
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  Speaker 9: Once again rooting for American failures.
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  Speaker 8: You see today, and we still have another budget resolution
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  Speaker 8: to you that we can move forward on to make
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  Speaker 8: sure that we're restoring military funding to where it needs
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  Speaker 8: to be good.
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  Speaker 1: How is the relief now? I wanted to hear now.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday Leader Schumer went on the floor and he declared
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  Speaker 1: that we're losing the war where they're run. Now, that's insane.
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  Speaker 1: That's truly like trying to keep us in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was Monday, I guess it was Monday. I
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  Speaker 1: was on special fort and I saw the clip. It's
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  Speaker 1: like trying to keep the Republicans in the game for
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  Speaker 1: the fall to the Democrats really believe in their heart
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  Speaker 1: of hearts that we're losing this war, which we have
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  Speaker 1: quite obviously won to date.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Hugh, I mean, I think we're a lot of
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  Speaker 8: Democrats in the media believe, although I guess I repeat
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  Speaker 8: myself there is you know, they're rooting for America to lose.
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  Speaker 8: I think Tom Friedman said it best a few days ago.
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  Speaker 8: You know, he's York, the famous New York Times columnist,
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  Speaker 8: kind of a perfect embodiment of conventional opinion among the
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  Speaker 8: center left in Washington and New York is that Iran
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  Speaker 8: is really bad and he kind of wants them to lose,
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  Speaker 8: but he would hate for Donald Trump and Benjamin net
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  Speaker 8: Yahoo to get a political victory.
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  Speaker 9: And if you had to choose.
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  Speaker 8: He'd probably go with a political loss for Trump and
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  Speaker 8: net Yahoo. That's just where the Democrats and the media
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  Speaker 8: in America are today.
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  Speaker 9: It is shameful.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to conclude by asking your Senator yesterday
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  Speaker 1: is moderating a panel with two former national security advisors
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  Speaker 1: O'Brien from the United States and Japan's former NSA and
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister Morrison from Australia form and I said, look,
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  Speaker 1: NATO seems to me to be in the rearview mirror,
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  Speaker 1: the Quad plus in Asia and maybe the Quad in
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  Speaker 1: the Middle East, Israel, the UAE and Saudi Arabian America?
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  Speaker 1: Are you losing faith in NATO the way I am?
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  Speaker 1: And that's pretty hard for me to say because I'm
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  Speaker 1: a reaganont Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: St some of our NATO partners, let's just say, I
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  Speaker 8: have not been very good partners over the last too much.
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  Speaker 8: It's one thing you for a European nation say, you
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  Speaker 8: know this is not our five.
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  Speaker 9: We didn't support.
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  Speaker 8: This this is not within NATO's treaty boundaries. We're not
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  Speaker 8: going to go to the Middle East and fight.
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  Speaker 1: With you all.
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  Speaker 9: They'd be nice if some would, that's one thing. It's
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  Speaker 9: a whole different kettle.
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  Speaker 8: Of issue for those need nations to say to America,
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  Speaker 8: you can't use our airspace.
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  Speaker 9: And by the way, you can't use the basis that
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  Speaker 9: we have here.
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  Speaker 8: That is a significant difference than just not actively fighting
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  Speaker 8: alongside us outside of NATO's treaty territory. And I think
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  Speaker 8: those leaders are gonna have a lot to answer for
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  Speaker 8: when this is over. Unfortunately, I think most of them
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  Speaker 8: are doing this not upse like geopolitical calculation or strategic inside.
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  Speaker 8: They're doing it because most of them are very unpopular
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  Speaker 8: and they see McCarney in Canada high up in the
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  Speaker 8: polls by opposing Donald Trump on everything, and they want
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  Speaker 8: to do that in their domestic politics as well well.
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  Speaker 1: I want to end with Carneie and Starmer's government. Starmer
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  Speaker 1: didn't say this. I think it's Chancellor the Exchequer did
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  Speaker 1: blasting us. Since carne has been blasting, has five eyes
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  Speaker 1: run its course. Now you're on the Intel Committee and
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  Speaker 1: for the benefit of the Steelers fan that is, Canada
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  Speaker 1: and the United States, Australia, New Zengaland and the United
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  Speaker 1: Kingdom in cooperated on intelligence sharing at the highest level
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  Speaker 1: since World War Two. I'm beginning to wonder if we
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  Speaker 1: can trust them.
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  Speaker 9: What do you think, Hugh on that fir and I
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  Speaker 9: do think we can.
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  Speaker 8: The cooperation at the professional level is very strong. And
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  Speaker 8: although obviously we're the biggest and most powerful nation of
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  Speaker 8: the Five Eyes Consortium, those other four nations, because of
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  Speaker 8: their geographic location, because of their history, and their cultural
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  Speaker 8: and economic connections in their regions of the world, do
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  Speaker 8: provide us some valuable intelligence and insights that we might
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  Speaker 8: not otherwise be able to.
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  Speaker 9: Yet that is of.
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: Course a different kettle of fish and fighting alongside each
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: other in the battlefield on the intelligence collection front. The
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  Speaker 8: cooperation is still strong.
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  Speaker 1: I hope it remained not just strong but secure. Some
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of those people and some of those governments really worry me.
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  Speaker 1: Centator Tom Cotton always a pleasure fall my exit. Send
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  Speaker 1: Tom Cotton, follow me to the next segment. In America.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot coming up. I don't know if
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Congressman Jordan's going to be able to make it or not.
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  Speaker 1: They had a House floor vote on FISA, and I'm
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: pretty sure Senator Cotton supports They didn't ask him. Next week,
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask him. Don't go anywhere in America. Stay tuned to
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  Speaker 1: the Q Hewitt sh Welcome back in America. I'm Hue Hewett.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Eleana Johnson is the editor in chief of the Washington
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Free Beacon, also a participant on the Daily Commentary podcast,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and we're just laughing about that off air because of
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: when people are on mute and they're not supposed to
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: be on mute. Eleianna, I want to begin by asking
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  Speaker 1: you just generally about the war and whether or not
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you think we have won.
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  Speaker 10: I think we are winning.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think we have won so long as we
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  Speaker 11: have not denuded Iran of its nuclear material.
• 18:41
  Speaker 10: And President Trump has said we want the dust.
• 18:44
  Speaker 11: We want the dust, and we want them to say
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  Speaker 11: they're not they're going to give up their aspirations for
• 18:49
  Speaker 11: a nuke. But unlike what you are hearing from the
• 18:53
  Speaker 11: mainstream media, the doom saying from the mainstream media, we
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: are obviously winning this war. And I think what we
• 18:59
  Speaker 11: heard this morning from the Pentagon that we are expanding
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  Speaker 11: this blockade to all ships that are part of Iran's
• 19:06
  Speaker 11: shadow fleet, regardless of their nationality, and we will pursue
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  Speaker 11: them beyond the Middle East and continue the blockade as
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  Speaker 11: long as necessary. Indicates that we are now strangling them
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  Speaker 11: economically and we are on the road to victory.
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  Speaker 1: Now. I want to play for you what he said
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  Speaker 1: on the lawn about an hour ago, because it's different
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: from what Vice President Vance said when he came out
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: of the negotiation. And I'm always kind of listening closely
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  Speaker 1: to is there a difference here cut number fourteen, President
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  Speaker 1: Trump on the dust.
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  Speaker 6: Or a minimum to stop enriching uranium?
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  Speaker 12: Would you, Well, we.
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  Speaker 7: Haven't agreed to any We have an agreed to any.
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  Speaker 6: Any point.
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  Speaker 9: What we have is.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: We have a saatement, very very powerful statement that they
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: will not have beyond twenty years, that they will not
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: have nucleopids. Me on, there's no twenty year limit, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So there's no twenty year limit, Eleana. Did I
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  Speaker 1: Did I not hear jd Van say we offered them
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  Speaker 1: a twenty year limit?
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  Speaker 10: He did say that.
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  Speaker 11: And I think it's possible that President Trump, you know,
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  Speaker 11: may not have been privy to everything that was going
• 20:18
  Speaker 11: back and forth in the negotiations. But at this point, Hugh,
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  Speaker 11: I think it's irrelevant because Iran was not open to
• 20:24
  Speaker 11: a twenty year minimum. I don't think there's a scenario
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  Speaker 11: or to giving up nuclear aspiration.
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: They're at nuclear aspirations.
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: For twenty years, and I don't think that they are
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: going to seed developing nuclear weapons or let us in
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: to remove nuclear material of their own volition. So it
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: seems to be a moot point. But it does seem
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: possible that President Trump wasn't aware of what was going
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: back and forth at the negotiating table in Islamabad.
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: I said this on the commentary podcast.
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: I think there's a lot we don't know about what
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: was said in that room in Islamabad, and I don't
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  Speaker 11: really trust the reporting about it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't either, and I wouldn't expect Envoy wigkop Kushner
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: or the Vice President to tell us. But the Vice
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  Speaker 1: President did say we offered them twenty and they said
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: they'd accept five. And I thought twenty, that's not good enough.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: These people are fanatics. They're lunatic. In fact, let me
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: play for you my favorite clip of the week. I'm
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: playing it for everyone. Eleana, Secretary of State Rubio on
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  Speaker 1: the people who run Iran.
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  Speaker 13: Let's play that these people are lunatics, they are insane,
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: they are religious zelots who can never be allowed to
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  Speaker 13: possess a nuclear weapon because they have an apocalyptic vision
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: of the future. And all of their neighbors know that,
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  Speaker 13: by the way, which is why all of their neighbors
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  Speaker 13: have been supportive of the efforts.
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  Speaker 1: So, Eleana, I consider that to be a strategic win
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to have the Secretary of State say that into a
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  Speaker 1: microphone on camera. Had you heard it before, Well.
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  Speaker 11: I think both Secretary Rubio and President Trump have been
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: saying this for the past twenty years. They've been quite consistent.
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  Speaker 11: I think it's an important statement. And Hugh, that's the
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: reason they won't give up their nuclear material and their
• 22:05
  Speaker 11: nuclear weapons. Right now, they're fighting for their survival, and
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: if they don't have those nuclear weapons, there's really no
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  Speaker 11: reason for this regime to exist, you know.
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  Speaker 8: One.
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  Speaker 11: By the way, President Trump's statement, the twenty years isn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: good enough.
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  Speaker 10: That's the second time he said that.
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  Speaker 11: He also said that a couple of days ago when
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  Speaker 11: he told the New York Post, I don't like twenty years.
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  Speaker 11: And one other note that I think was important as
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  Speaker 11: far as the efficacy of the economic strangulation we're engaged in.
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: Was a report in Iran International that I saw this
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  Speaker 11: morning that Iran has halted petrochemical exports in order to supply.
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: Their domestic market.
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: And I think that's an indication of the efficacy of
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: the strikes on their petrochemical plants and the fact that
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: this blockade is working. They are not getting anything in
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: to that country.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: They have no money, and they're gonna reserves they have
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: they're going to blow through, and I think it's going
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to crumble. I think it's going to crumble. Now. I
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: heard you talking about I.
• 23:07
  Speaker 11: Said, you know about half a billion dollars a day.
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: The number I've seen is four hundred and thirty five
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: million dollars a day. They're losing and it's really just
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: a matter of time. It's important to note that in January,
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  Speaker 11: when those protests took place, the source of that protest
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: was economic dissatisfaction among areas in Iran that have traditionally
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: been supportive of this regime. And that is where we're
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: turning the screws right now, and I.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Hope we keep turning them. Eliana. Now, I want to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you mentioned the Free Beacon story on the University of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: North Carolina. I have a brand new affiliate down in Hickory,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: North Carolina, so I want you to tell the world
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: about this because I couldn't believe it when you described
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: it on the commentary pod.
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  Speaker 11: It's a really remarkable story about an uproar that took place,
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: and I want to shout out the reporter of that story,
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: a senior at the University of North Carolina, Ashley Dowdney,
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: who reported about the uproar that took place on that
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: campus after the Daily tar Heel, the student newspaper down
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: there published in April Fool's Day issue making light of
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: issues about immigration, race, ice, and the daily student run
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: late night show did a spoof send up of wealthy
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: sorority girls that touched on some of the same issues,
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: and they were denounced by a senior official at the
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: university who pledged it, who said the content was unacceptable
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: and pledged to investigate this late night show. He only
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: walked back the comments when fired. The Free Speech Organization
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: put him on blast. Meanwhile, all of the students the
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: student journalist issued groveling apologies, pledged to undergo DEI training,
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: and Institute DEI training at these institutions, and I hold
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: the adults responsible for this, but really the profile encourage
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: was of this single student journalist who filed this report
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: in The Free Beacon.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: And I think it's important to note we've talked a lot.
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  Speaker 10: Did we reach Peakuoke? And I think you know we did.
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  Speaker 11: That's receding, thanks in large part to the actions of
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 10: But these things are still going on.
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: Students are being bullied, speech is still being suppressed on
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: college campus. And this is a college that is funded
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: with taxpayer dollars in the state of North Carolina.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And so clearly unconstitutional. When I heard it, I wanted
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to try and text harmyd Jell and the assistant a
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  Speaker 1: trade in General for civil rights to get her down
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  Speaker 1: to Charlotte.
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: UH breeding in full to capture all the insanity.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Freebeacon dot com, Eliana Y. Johnson on X always good
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  Speaker 1: at dot j elion and don't go anywhere America. On
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  Speaker 1: you here, broking back to America. On you Hewett inside
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  Speaker 1: the Beltway with my friend Vick Madis as in, Victor
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Reno Matis on X as in the Culture and Arts
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  Speaker 1: editor at The Free Beacon, as in the co host
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of Getting Hammered About, which a new episode dropped today
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: which I've not yet listened to. I'll get past the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: title about mister Swalwell's emanations. But Vic, I saved for
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you all my Catholic questions because you're Catholic. Were you
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: an altar boy? Vic?
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  Speaker 3: No, I gave a few readings here and there. I'm
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: not a eucharistic minister. My mother was. That's very Vatican too.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: But I was not an ultra boy.
• 26:36
  Speaker 14: No, okay, but I did go through first to twelfth
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: grade was Catholic school, and then another four years at Georgetown.
• 26:43
  Speaker 14: I don't know if you want to count that though.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: How did you know we want that's Jesuits? How did
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you skip out on being an altar boy?
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: A number of my friends did it. I think it's great.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I see this now in my local parish here in Arlington, Virginia.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: It's a wonderful thing.
• 27:01
  Speaker 14: It amazes me some of the littlest ones knowing what
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: to do and in the proper way, where if your
• 27:08
  Speaker 14: other hand isn't holding anything, they hold it to their chest.
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  Speaker 14: It's really impressive. Somehow, I sort of just missed all that. Okay,
• 27:17
  Speaker 14: I did my tour of duty. Turns out Brett Baar
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: did as well.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: We were talking about it because of the Pope and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the President's stuff, and that's where I go on toalm. Sunday.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The Pope said in his sermon, Jesus does not listen
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to the prayers of those who wage war, but rejects them.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That's news to me. It's a little bit sweeping. It
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: was not ex cathedral, it wasn't infallibility. It triggered the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: President into posting perhaps some posts I wouldn't have done.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But today the President went on about the Pope and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I want to pray for you his first cut sixteen
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  Speaker 1: that is.
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  Speaker 12: Deciding to post you.
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  Speaker 13: No, no, I don't.
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  Speaker 8: I have to do what's right.
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  Speaker 7: The Pope hast understand that very simple. I have nothing
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: against the Pope, his brother's maga all the way.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I like his brother.
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: Lewis, but I'm not fighting with the Pope. Made a
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: statement he says Iran can have a nuclear weapon.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I say Iran vic I don't think the Pope actually
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: said that Iran can have a nuclear weapon, but it's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: clear the President understood him to say that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct, Hugh.
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  Speaker 14: This has been kind of a little feud that's been
• 28:29
  Speaker 14: going on since Pope Leo the fourteenth became the Holy Father.
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: He had very strong opinions, as Rubert Prevost, and he
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: has a social media history, as do we all now,
• 28:44
  Speaker 14: where he took a harsh stand against the Trump administration's
• 28:49
  Speaker 14: position on immigration. So there's already been you know, a
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: history of bad blood per se. And so when this happened,
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: and of course he's condemning previously to Hugh, the Trump
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: administration's actions going into Venezuela, it was no surprise that
• 29:04
  Speaker 14: when we did Operation Epic Fury that he would say
• 29:07
  Speaker 14: that this is not the way to go, and he
• 29:10
  Speaker 14: leaned it now again.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: To be sure, popes in the past have been very vocal.
• 29:14
  Speaker 14: You think about the Iraq War back in the day,
• 29:16
  Speaker 14: you know, twenty something years ago, and they were against
• 29:19
  Speaker 14: that as well. But this president isn't going to just
• 29:22
  Speaker 14: you know, take that sitting and I think he probably
• 29:26
  Speaker 14: realized he might have gone a little too far in
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: questioning the pope or saying that he's you know, weak. Again,
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: there are crillions of Catholics in this country.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got crime, it's yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I saw yesterday a picture of the Pope when he
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: was Father Prevost, a young seminarian, maybe not even ordained,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but he was at an anti a
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: pro nuclear freeze rally with a bunch of other seminarians
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: when Reagan was deploying the cruise missiles, and the pair
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and the American bishops in the White House Council's office
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: at the time, they sent us the dumbest letter ever
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: signed by Bishop Malone, the man who confirmed me that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: just was dumb about nuclear weapons. And they were proven
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to be dumb because eventually the Berlin walf Hell, Reagan
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and George H. W. Bush was right. I don't look
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: for popes to know much about national security. But what
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: do you make of the president saying this cut number seventeen.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: It's put out a statement thing the folks. Isn't nearly
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: exercising his opinion.
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: He's preaching the gospel.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: What do you say to me about people?
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Well, I want him to preach the gospel.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: I'm all about the gospel. But I also know that
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: you cannot let a certain country, which is a very
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: mean spirited country, have a nuclear weapon. If they did,
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: they would use it and I think they'd use it
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: quickly and they would kill many millions of people. So,
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: you know, the folk could disagree with me in that,
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: but certainly we're allowed to have that. I'm all about
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: the gospel. I'm not about it as much as anybody
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: can be.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: But I can't allow as President.
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: Of the United States, Jim America, I can't allow Iran
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: to have a new weapon. And here's the story.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: They won't have.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: They've already agreed not to have. That's good news, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: I think the pope will be very happy.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, Vicky's all about the gospel again. Newsflash, there's nobody
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: more about the gospel.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: President, Yeah, that's right.
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: He might be thinking of, you know, an eye for
• 31:22
  Speaker 14: an eye, but that's not in the gospel. That's that's
• 31:24
  Speaker 14: I believe in the Old Testament, you know, love your
• 31:27
  Speaker 14: neighbor or turn the other cheek. It it gets a little
• 31:29
  Speaker 14: bit harder for somebody like the president. He acknowledges that he's.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: He did a fairly well a good job of sort.
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: Of extricating himself. I think right now with those statements that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I've heard, Okay, that's fine. Can a pope be stronger
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: or take a different tact.
• 31:45
  Speaker 14: Sure they can talk about just war theory and make
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: a certain defense about that and having to go in.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Because it's necessary for you know, the sake of humanity.
• 31:53
  Speaker 14: But as you mentioned, we don't turn to the pope
• 31:56
  Speaker 14: for earthly matters, if you will, and certainly for policies.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: They're political leaders, the religious leaders.
• 32:01
  Speaker 14: We turned them for spiritual matters, and certainly when that
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: when it comes to that, this pope, he's doing all
• 32:08
  Speaker 14: the right things.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: He is staunchly pro life.
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: You know, he's talking about reconciling with the you know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: the Catholics who.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Go to who like Flatten Mass. You know, there's a
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: lot of things.
• 32:18
  Speaker 14: The definition of marriage is between a man and a woman.
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: The media will ignore that because they want to play
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: up this tension between the pope and the millions of
• 32:26
  Speaker 14: followers in this country versus the president.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And again, it's a little bit more complicated than that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: It's so much more complicated. And I want you to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: expand on this, vict because I care about that. You
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and I are in the Diocese of Arlington. Our bishop
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: is a burbage. He's actually the bishop who has authority
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: over the priests, who would tell us whether or not
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: what we're doing is moral or not moral. We don't
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: answer to the pope unless the Pope speaks infallibly. He
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: gets appoint bishops, he gets the name cardinals. I will
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: wait for the first Consistory to see if he finally
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: names Archbishop Gomez Cardinal Los Angeles. Francis wouldn't do that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: because Francis doesn't like center right to conservative Catholics in America.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: They don't like Americans period. I don't know what Leo
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: was gonna do, but this is all made up. This
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: is for the consumption of the media. The President doesn't
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: want this fight, though, does he.
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: No, he shouldn't be asking for that fight. I think
• 33:21
  Speaker 14: he's ready to move on. And he's got some big
• 33:23
  Speaker 14: news today, as you've known it already and talking about it,
• 33:27
  Speaker 14: you know, potentially of Iran delivering their enriched uranium. There
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: is a peace being broken, a cease fire between Israel
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: and Lebanon. Those are all great bits of these, and
• 33:37
  Speaker 14: obviously the blockade is working.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: You're seeing the price of oil go down. I think
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: he just rather move on.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's winning.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And there's no need to go off on this side road.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But you heard the report. He doesn't he doesn't fear
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Trump either.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't care. As a Catholic, I'm just
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: talking to Catholics now. We don't care that the Pope
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and the President disagree.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Do you care?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Uh no, I mean you knew it was going to happen.
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: I got a special email from the Nights of Columbus,
• 34:05
  Speaker 14: our head to assure us this was a bad fight
• 34:08
  Speaker 14: and let's move on.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Co Set, I've never I've never been committed enough to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: be a night maybe this summer when I'm up in
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Maine so that they can only have me three months
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of the year. Victory No madis on X go get
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: getting hammered. I'm going to listen to the swallow Well
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: episode of Tomorrow Morning when I trundle. Thank you Next
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Day tuned Americine, Welcome back in America. I'm huge Hewett.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Join now by Seth Mandel, Senior editor of Commentary Magazine,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: participant in the Morning and Commentary Pod one line genius.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I do think your one lines are very funny, Set
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and I think John might be a little bit jealous
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of the fact you sit back and craped them like
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: a writer's room. So I think that's it. Set let
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: me begin with the great strategic breakthrough of this war,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Secretary of Rubio last week.
• 35:05
  Speaker 13: These people are lunatics, They are insane. They are religious
• 35:09
  Speaker 13: zelots who can never be allowed to possess a nuclear
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: weapon because they have an apocalyptic vision of the future.
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: And all of their neighbors know that, by the way,
• 35:16
  Speaker 13: which is why all of their neighbors have been supportive
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: of the efforts work.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Now, Seth Mandel, how important is it to have the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Secretary of State of the United States speak with such
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: clarity and ferocity about the Islamic Republic.
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: It's very important, obviously, and it's also especially important in
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: the context of the fact that the Trump administration has
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: put together a coalition here that includes the Gulf, Arab States,
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: Israel in some partial way, Ukraine right to help with
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: shooting down some of the Iranian missiles and drones, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: with Turkey, a non Arab country, signing onto it. I mean,
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: you look at the breadth of this coalition, and you
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: also understand that all these Arab countries have, you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: some sort of skin in the game. They've been shot
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: at by the Iranians whatever. So this is you have
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: a real coalition at war. So for Rubio to talk
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: that way, it's very important, in part because he is
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: speaking foreign on behalf of the Arab States too. This
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: is not just a you know, pro Israel sentiment, you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: to degrade Aron's nuclear program and to talk about the
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: threat that it poses to the region. This is a
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: much wider thing, and it's a reflection of the fact
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: that a lot of countries that have rarely in the
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: past been on the same page are on the same
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: page on this.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I've said I've got the ready Gura coming
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: up next hour. He joins me every six weeks, two
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: every two months. And one of my questions is, look,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: we have this quad in the Pacific, Japan, Australia, the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: United States and in the end and their quad adjacent
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: countries Philippines, South Koreina. I think we could see a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: new quad in the Middle East, US, Israel, Ua and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and quad adjacent countries like Egypt if it
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: gets it back together, maybe of course boh Rain and Kuwait,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: maybe Syria, maybe eleven on Sunday, do you think it's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: possible that we can start thinking in terms of the Israeli, UAE,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabian overwatch on the region.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Possible.
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't want to get out in
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: front of ourselves on it because anything can change, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: things can change, you know, fast, in the Middle East.
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: But yeah, I think you have to remember that the
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: nineteen seventy nine piece agreement between Israel and Egypt has
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: lasted for all this time. The agreement between Israel and Jordan,
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: their own peace agreement some fifteen years later or so,
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: that has also stood the test of time. So when
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: you bring these Arab countries together and they accept Israel's existence,
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: they accept that it's not going to be wiped away,
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: and whatever they get in they develop a relationship with
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: the United States as well, built on trade and aid
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: and you know, mutual security and things like that. And
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: then these things sink roots into the soil and you
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: go find yourself decades later and they're still reliable and
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: they're still you know, allies, at least to whatever extent
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: they were before. So certainly, if what they're planting here,
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: if it thrives, then that's.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: What it's going.
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: When your children, the Lady and the saudis the way
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: they broke through with Egypt and Jordan, you know, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: if they're able to break through Lebanon that way, then yeah,
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: could establish something with real roots and real staying power.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I yet, when your youngest children are my age, Israel
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: will be one hundred and fifty years old, and I'm
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: hopeful that the region will not be the constant drama
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: it has been throughout my adult life. Let me play
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to you what President Trump said on the lawn today,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: cut number twelve.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: The big thing we have to do is we have
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: to make sure that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon,
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: because if they do, you want to talk about problems,
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: you'd have problems. So very important is that Iran does
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: not have a nuclear weapon.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And he also said this cut number fourteen, they've agreed to.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: That your minimum to stop enriching uranium.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Well, we haven't agreed to any.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: We haven't agreed to animal. What we have is we
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: we have a satement, very very powerful statement that they
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: will not have beyond twenty years, that they will not
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: have nuclear weapons.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: That's being any So, Seth, you followed what the Vice
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: president said very closely. I did too, and I personed
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: very closely. He said, we offered him a twenty year moratorium.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: They turned it down they wanted five. President just said
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: they've agreed, I read to give us their alien rich
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: uranium and there is no limit to their non enrichment.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Is there daylight between the president and the vice president
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: or do you think the deal got better since Islamabad?
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I think's making sure that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: You are you Yeah, okay, I think the president and
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: the vice president are on the same page. But I
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: do think that the president sometimes tends to you know,
• 40:25
  Speaker 12: it's hard to always know exactly where he is. Sometimes
• 40:27
  Speaker 12: he sounds like he's saying one thing and that maybe
• 40:30
  Speaker 12: a change and not another. And Vance has to sort
• 40:33
  Speaker 12: of anticipate it. I've compared it in the past to
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: when I go see Bob Dylan Live Bob Dylan's live
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: band Uh has to sort of anticipate where Dylan is
• 40:45
  Speaker 12: going to be, what pace, and where he's going to
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: be in the song. You know, at any one time,
• 40:49
  Speaker 12: there's a special talent in trying to anticipate the band
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: leader when it's somebody mere curial like that. I think
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: Vance is doing something similar in the administration has to
• 40:58
  Speaker 12: do so everybody in the administration has to do something similar,
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: which is, you know, try to anticipate how quickly he moves,
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: and you know, for the most part, I do think
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: there's no.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: We got a minute. I'm a big Dylan fan. I've
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: seen him a half dozen times. I won't go see
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: him anymore because you can't understand a word that he says.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And I'm a I saw him back in the Blood
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: on the Tracks Rolling Thunder review. Do you go to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: see Dylan you can't he got you can't understand the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: word he says.
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: Well, the main difference, honestly is that I didn't grow
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: up with the old Dylan, so I don't know what
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: the live Bob Dylan of the past, where he's totally intelligible,
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: sounds like I don't have anything to compare it to.
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: So you know, to me, it's that this is the
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: live Dylan that I've always known.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: So oh, Blood on the Tracks, the very best pop
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Dylan there ever. Was the Rolling Thunder review with Joni Mitchell,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Joni Bayez, Roger McGuinn Boston Music Hall in nineteen seventy five.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Seth Mandel always good to speak with you and to
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  Speaker 1: As promised, Taviv ready Gore is back Middle East correspondent
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  Speaker 1: Ready Gore, and I recommend that to you strongly. It's
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  Speaker 1: welcome back. I'm glad to have you. I want to
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: begin by playing for you Secretary of Rubio, because to me,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: it's the strategic moment in this war for Americans. Let's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: play it for Aviv.
• 43:41
  Speaker 13: These people are lunatics, They are insane. They are religious
• 43:45
  Speaker 13: zelots who can never be allowed to possess a nuclear
• 43:47
  Speaker 13: weapon because they have an apocalyptic vision of the future.
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: And all of their neighbors know that, by the way,
• 43:52
  Speaker 13: which is why all.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Of Aviv Ready Gore, have you ever heard of in Americans?
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Speak back clearly about Iran before.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: You know, the good ones, the ones who know what
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: the world looks like, the ones who know that North
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Korea is not Iran, and Iran is not Syria, and
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Syria is not Russia. And these things are complicated. You
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: actually you actually have to know the topic. They speak
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: that way. Unfortunately, Segretary Rubio is correct. And if people
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: study what the you know, terms like the Mukawama and
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: read Romani and actually understand what Alik I'm in a,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: the Supreme Leader has been doing as the ideological backbone
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: of this regime since nineteen eighty nine, they will understand that,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: in fact, this is a regime willing to burn the
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: world down in the name of its religious vision. So
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: you know, it's it's different. North Korea is containable with
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: a nuke. Pakistan is tolerable with a nuke. Israel apparently,
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: allegedly they don't tell me these things, but I read
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: in the news overseas that has nukes that did not
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: drive endless terror and fear in the region. That's not
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: true of Iran.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a strategic breakthrough for Americans to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: hear respected leaders speak that way. Now Donald Trump says
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: they're crazy, but people discount trumpy and rhetoric not the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: way that they don't discount Secretary Rubio's rhetoric. So it's
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: big for me for America to hear that you already
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: knew it. You heard Ezra Cline this week, and Rachel Gurry,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: your wonderful wife, posted that I have to tell you,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: first of all, I've known Ezra since he was a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: little boy. He and my daughter went to school together.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: He was the surfboard Santa in the sixth grade play.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I can't take him seriously if I wanted to. Why
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: do you think he succeeds in the West, Because I
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: have my own theory.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Gee, you would know better than me. But my guess
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: is that he watching him on this topic, the only
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: topic I really understand well enough to debate. He tries
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: to appeal to everybody all the time, and he tries
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: to justify himself to all the different audiences he imagines,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: and he's extremely good at doing that. And you know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: I would like to suggest that when your main concern
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: is to have as many people as possible to listen
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: to you, you end up saying very little. Now, that's
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: something that every pundit has to grapple with, but I
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: think he's taking it to an extreme on the issue
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: of the Israeli Palestinian conflict, extending that to Lebanon, and
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: he's basically arguing now that Israel wants to conquer Lebanon.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: It's something that he's doing because is you know, New
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: York intelligensia. A milieu believes it or wants to believe it,
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: or wants to hear it because it fits with their
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: worldview in which Israel is wrong on everything and they
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: don't have to think twice about the Middle East because
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: nothing is complex, and he's validating that. I really think
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: it's socialization. I don't think there's a serious intellectual work
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: here that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Is exactly right. He's a wonderful kid, and I think
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: of him as a kid, although he's got a beard
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: like yours and he's probably your age. And he went
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: to UC, I think Santa Cruz, and he came to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: DC and e con people in the letting him start box.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: And he's fluent in everything and deep and nothing. And
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: that is unfortunately Americans of the next generation too often,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: unless they've had hard things happen to them. Which brings
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: me to the impact of this long war since ten
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: to seven on Israel. It occurred to me I'll rewriting
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: a column about this on September eleventh, It'll been twenty
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: five years since seven to eleven. I was fourteen when
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: my dad was twenty five years removed from nineteen forty five,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: he and his two brothers went off to the war.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: They never said a word about it. They became the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: greatest generation. Do you think these young soldiers and reservists
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: who've been in the field forever in the last two
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and a half year are going to be Israel's greatest generation.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm biased. They're members of my family.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: They come back from the war willing to continue to
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: give to their families and to their country infinitely. And
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: they are more steadfast than some of our ideological enemies,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: who built their entire identity and religious vision of the
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: world on their supposed steadfastness. They will outlast every enemy
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: we have. And they have a demand that this country
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: be not just as competent, not just as capable, but
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: more more competent, more capable. We have a lot of
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: internal crises in Israel, having to do with some people
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: not serving, having to do with welfare, having to do
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: with tribalism, all these real problems that many democracies have.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: We have them, maybe slightly more intensely. These kids, this
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: next generation, is too committed and too willing to fight
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: for this country to fall into those things. I have
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: so much optimism of what these kids. I'm you know,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: I'm ten years older than them. But nevertheless, what these
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: kids coming out of these wars, coming back from Lebanon
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: or Iran or Gaza, what they are willing to do.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: They know there's an enemy, they also know there are
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: problems that need to be solved. Incidentally, you'd be amazed
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: how many left wing soldiers coming out of Gaza I
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: have met who want to find a better future for
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Israelis and Palestinians, because Gaza can't be how everything ends up,
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: and they don't know how to do it, and there
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: are real problems with doing it, and they're real problems,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: serious problems, problems that foreigners, in their moral emotions, don't
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: isn't enough, it's not enough to feel something. You actually
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: need practical, hard, serious solutions. But there's a new commitment
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: there as well. And so with all the exhaustion and
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: with all the trauma, and with all the cynicism, and
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: with all the ninety percent of Israelis are convinced that
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: Palestinians just want them dead, and because well, I just
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: want them dead. And therefore they're willing to fight forever.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: But they also don't expect there's a piece suddenly when
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: you hear from the Amah. Suddenly when you see a
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: peace process beginning with Lebanon, eighty percent of Israeli supported,
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: and so there's an optimism alongside all of the pessimism.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: I think the younger generation is going to be optimistic,
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: and they're going to be builders, and they're going to
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: have it's going to be a stronger and better Israel
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: going forward.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I think if you spend time studying the characteristics of
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the generation that fought World War Two when they came
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: back to the United States, you're going to have the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: same steel, the same quiet, the same resolve, and the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: desire to take care of their family. We will see
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: now the first about the war. It's not over. We won.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: By we, I mean the United States and Israel and
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: our golf allies to the extent that they are participating,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and they are in a defensive way at least. What
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: did Iron get most wrong? The will of the abilities
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: of Israel or the will of America, which do you
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: think they misjudge?
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Are both?
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: I have to tell you dictatorships are never aware of
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: just how corrupt and broken and hollow down they have become.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: They can't be. I mean, when Putin invaded Ukraine and
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: in the battlefield in Ukraine discovered that every general in
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: the Russian Army had been lying to him about the
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: preparedness and capabilities and training of the Russian military, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: how many tanks actually had spare parts and fuel. Putin
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: only discovered them in the battlefield because it's a dictatorship.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: Dictatorships don't have the kinds of self critical feedback loops,
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: the ombudsmen, the people checking that there's a corruption that
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: you need to have a competent state, competent institutions, a
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: competent military. Iran lost catastrophically, and it lost everything. Iran
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: is still very much in the fight because Iran lives
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: and breathes the one thing, the one idea that it
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: has spent forty seven years espousing, which is just total
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: and complete mass martyred in the name of God. And
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: so Iran can still burn everything to the ground, and
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Iran claims that that's a victory. Being able to impose
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: costs on America, being able to impose costs on Europe,
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: being able to impose costs on Israel accounts for them
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: as a victory, even if they can't actually build anything,
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: and even if they have gutted their own society for
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: two and a half generations in order to build these
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: drones and missiles to shut down hormones and exact costs
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: on people. The Israelis understanding of what's going on is
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: very simple. You know, we had this immense victory in
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: fifty six until Eisenhower pushed us back. We had an
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  Speaker 5: immense victory in sixty seven. We had an immense victory
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  Speaker 5: in seventy three. You don't have an immense victory and
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  Speaker 5: then a few short years later have to fight again.
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  Speaker 5: That seems odd, right, So what do I mean by
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: immense victory? What do Israelis understand about that period of
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  Speaker 5: their history when they face this United Arab front behind,
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  Speaker 5: you know, led by Nasser of Egypt. What Israelis understand
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  Speaker 5: is wars aren't fought quickly. It isn't a glow is
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  Speaker 5: old You knows data, Hanson, We're beautifully about. I'm sorry
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  Speaker 5: holding on too long.
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  Speaker 1: Hold one second of you. We'll be right back with
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  Speaker 1: Aviv ready, Gore, follow him on exit, Aviv ready, Gore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm you do it on the Sale New channel, Stay
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  Speaker 1: with It, Welcome back to America. Our friend Aviv ready
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  Speaker 1: Gore is back on the program. He is Middle East
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: correspondent for IT the Free Press. He is the host
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: of Ask Kaviv Anything, which I don't miss an episode of.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a member of his Patreon community, the only one
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I belong to because it's interesting. Aviv. When we went
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  Speaker 1: to break, you were saying, ISRAELI don't believe in long
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  Speaker 1: pieces because they don't get long victories. I think this
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  Speaker 1: time might be different.
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  Speaker 5: There is a Western belief that you fight a war democracies,
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: okay they democracies don't like wars. I know that seems
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: strange because we keep talking about how democracies go to,
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: you know, wars that don't make sense of, wars that
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: are foolish. But overall, statistically, democracies don't like wars. Democracies
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: are in the business of prosperity. Democracies are in the
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  Speaker 5: business of letting the people get on with their daily
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  Speaker 5: lives because that's what government is for. And so democracies
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  Speaker 5: are always surprised when war comes, and democracies always expect
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  Speaker 5: a war to be fast and decisive. Why should a war.
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  Speaker 5: But this is by the way true of Greek democracies
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  Speaker 5: and classical Greece. The phalanxes meet, they engage each other,
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: one wins, one loses. Everybody goes back home to the farms. Extended, catastrophic,
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: you know, burnt earth kinds of wars destroy everything for everybody.
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  Speaker 5: And democracies are opposed to that. Don't believe in it.
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  Speaker 5: The problem is that we face enemies that have adopted
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  Speaker 5: that have seen that about democracies and have adopted a
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  Speaker 5: strategy that fits that challenges that of democracies long, you know, durable, steadfast,
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  Speaker 5: constant causing of pain. Even if the democracy, because it's
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: more competent, has more compet institutions can cause much more
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  Speaker 5: pain to the dictator shape or the terror group or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: As long as you can impose some pain on the
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  Speaker 5: democracy in a sustained way, you will win. That's the theory.
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  Speaker 5: That's what's called mukawama or resistance. Iran strategy is based
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  Speaker 5: on it, saysbla strategy is based on it. Kamas's strategy
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  Speaker 5: is based on it. The Israelis are a democracy, yes,
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  Speaker 5: they want to fight decisive, short wars and get on
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  Speaker 5: with the business of living. But they have been trained
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  Speaker 5: by eighty years of facing this kind of other thinking,
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  Speaker 5: this long drawn out war kind of thinking, to be
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: able to handle the long drawn out war. We learned
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  Speaker 5: this in the fifties and sixties and seventies, when we
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: had four or five wars that were really one extended
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: war against one extended idea of this pan Arabist desire
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  Speaker 5: to destroy us. And now we face that same thing.
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  Speaker 5: So we just had a war in June of last year.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: We now had a war in February in March to
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  Speaker 5: the Israelis. These aren't separate wars. These are battles in
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: one long extended war. The United States denied Iran every capability,
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  Speaker 5: accept the capability with cheap drones and missiles to burn
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  Speaker 5: other countries' energy sectors to the ground, to cause the
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  Speaker 5: global economy terrible pain. All the Iranian state knows how
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  Speaker 5: to do is cause pain and disruption. It builds nothing,
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  Speaker 5: it accomplishes nothing, It contributes nothing to the world. And
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  Speaker 5: the dictatorship in charge made it so. This is an
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  Speaker 5: extraordinarily talented country with vast hydrocarbon reserves. It should be
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  Speaker 5: a Saudi Arabia slash israel mixture contributing to the world
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  Speaker 5: economy untold wonders and good, but it isn't because of
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  Speaker 5: this regime and its ideology. So what we need to
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  Speaker 5: do is very simple. We have defeated them in every
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  Speaker 5: conventional sense. America mostly Israel, also defeated them in every
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  Speaker 5: conventional sense. Now comes the long, hard slog in which
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  Speaker 5: their ability, their desired, their decision to burn everything to
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  Speaker 5: the ground because it's literally the only strategy available to them.
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  Speaker 5: They can't. That is what they are. They have nothing else.
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  Speaker 5: We have to face that over the long term and
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  Speaker 5: watch it crumble to dust. It's what America did in
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  Speaker 5: the Cold War with the Soviet Union. It's what it is
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  Speaker 5: they did with Pan Arabism in the fifties, sixties and seventies,
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  Speaker 5: and it is what has to be done now with
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  Speaker 5: this idea of this radical political Islam that Iran is
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  Speaker 5: the spiritead of in the world and in the region,
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  Speaker 5: and until it falls, there will be no peace anywhere
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  Speaker 5: in this region.
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  Speaker 1: So ive. Yesterday Iran International, the Resistance News Network put
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  Speaker 1: out leaked the Iran Central Bank report that says it'll
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: take us twelve years or a build and we're looking
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: at one hundred and eighty percent inflation. Settle this, and
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: of course they're being run by crazy people, lunatics to
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: quote Secretary of Rubio, so they probably won't settle it.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Do you think the West, including the golf allies Israel
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: certainly does, including the United State, has the stomach to
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: boycott them for as long as it takes to bring
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: down the regime, because eventually, if you don't have any money,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: everything stops.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know I'm speaking is in ISRAELI Iran. What
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: Iran spent its money on is the annihilation of my people.
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  Speaker 5: That is where it's spent those billions, the Kudes force RESBLA,
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: the proxies, the hundreds of thousands of missiles and rockets,
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: the new technology it developed. The vision was and the
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: destruction of Israel as the first step in a much
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: larger vision of Islamic restoration of Islamic power and conquest
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: and the redemption of the s blah blah blah. You
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: know there are podcast episodes about this. Feel free to
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: go learn about it. You'll understand what's happening in the
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: Middle East if you do. But because we are the
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: target of this exterminationist kind of rhetoric and policy and
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: action for two generations. There's almost no price we're willing
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: to pay. Is America willing to pay that price? I'm
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: sure it's not, because America is far less threatened by Iran,
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: and so there's a gap there. The amuradis, the Kuwaits,
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: the Bahrainis, the Saudis. They're desperate to be rid of Iran,
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: of this unbelievable threat, of this destructive thing that you
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: know they're all trying to build. There's almost the fastest
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: growing sector in the Imaradi economy today is ai. It's
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: not oil and gas. They want to build real economies,
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: strong economies to be a serious part of the global economy.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: The Dubai Airport is the single most busiest airport in
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: the world that I read when they had to shut
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: down because of Iranian missiles Iran. Iran's regime tries to
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: destroy it is literally the only tool it has, and
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: all these other countries want to build. Now, you can't
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: build much in the shadow of Iran. Insurance prices for
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: tankers in the Gulf will never go back down to
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: pre war levels, so we have to actually remove this threat.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: It's going to take a long time. Iran will make
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: it worth the price if we leave them intact now,
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: they'll eventually do the thing that will make it worth
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: starting in the war again. That's the best I can
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: tell you. I don't know what the Amori logic or
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: the American logic will be. The Israelis are willing to
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: go to the bitter end because the Iranians told them
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: they have nothing to lose. The Iranians will actually no
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: other way until Israel's destroyed. And you know that's a
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: dumb thing to tell a country that's more competent than you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have to think, and I'm an optimist. Eve.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: After you've gone, youre seventy SAM and shot missiles at
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: fourteen countries. Nobody wants you to get near a nuke.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants you to rebuild your ballistic missile capability, especially
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: not America ICBM. Once you're a lunatic and people know
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you're a lunatic, they don't give you guns that they
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: don't give you money, they don't give you love. And
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I have to believe we're going there. Let me ask
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you about this will carry in the next segment. NATO
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: is kind of falling apart. And that's in the rear
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: view mirror. In the front is the Quad, which is
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Japan and Australia and Indian, United States and the Pacific
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and quad adjacent country ICEE coming out of there's a
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: new in the Middle East, US, Israel, UAE and Saudi
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Arabia and countries that are adjacent to it that just
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: want to build. Now we have a minute to the break.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Am I crazy, I think that might happen.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Everybody in the Middle East knows that under the table,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: some of it's absolutely above board. Above the table announced
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: its peace treaties, it's signatures of the White House Law.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: But whatever you don't see above the table is happening
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: under the table, intelligence sharing, a commitment to the Israelis
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: and to working with the Israelis. The very fact that
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: it's possible that the next administration, what the Iranians are
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: counting on, will be an administration that's either right wing
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: isolationist or left wing horrified to Trump and pulls back
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: on the Middle East. The very fact that the Saudis
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: memoramies are afraid of that makes Israel all the more
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: valuable because it has almost American scale capabilities, at a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: smaller scale, but in terms of the tech, it's that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: level of tech, and they come.
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  Speaker 1: You're right back, ready, Gord, don't go anywhere America, Come
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: back in America. I'm Hugh hewittt with Aviv Reddy Gore.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: You ought to listen to his podcast, ask Kviv anything
• 1:02:06
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• 1:02:09
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• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: of that. Haveviv, having watched this thirty months of war,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: have you figured out where the gaps are in the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: defense industrial base of Israel? In other words, do you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: think you need to build a long range bomber like
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: we have? Because I'm pretty sure you can build whatever
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: you want to build. Do you think you have to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: change your your armament structure?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: We once had a defense minister, Misha Arens, who was
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: really keen on building an Israeli fighter jet, and Israel
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: for a time had a fighter jet at the field.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: And Israel made a choice, and it was a choice
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: a little bit because of American pressure, but it may
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: also have been the correct tactical choice to shift over
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: to buying those kinds of very difficult to make, complex,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: very expensive systems from the Americans. I have to tell you,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: watching those F thirty fives over Iran, it's hard to
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  Speaker 5: argue with the absolute domination of American tech and the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: global stage. So I'm not at all sure that was
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  Speaker 5: a mistake at the time. But if we can't buy
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: spare parts for the F thirty five and ten years,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: then it doesn't matter how good the F thirty five
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: is if America is not reliable. And so I think
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: that there are two arenas where Israel needs to ramp
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: up very very quickly. And I have to tell you,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: Israeli officials have been saying this ands and Yow personally
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: has said this. So this is not I'm not coming
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: with advice. This is something the Israelis know, which is
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: interceptors that are very expensive, both iron dorm short range
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: interceptors that the Meal missiles, but also the David Slang
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: and Arrow interceptors which currently are built by the United
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: States and cost two to three million dollars apiece for
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: the long range ones. And we have to figure out
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: how to make those much cheaper. And we have to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: figure out how to make thosemestically, and we have to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: figure out how to massively expand the interceptor arsenal. Incidentally,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: it's the exact same problem for the United States. If
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  Speaker 5: you know, in two weeks of this war, America's golf
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: allies fired. I think it's something like six hundred of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: the Patriot of the more advanced, more recent Patriot missiles.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: That is, please don't get me on the details, but
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: it's something like two years of the entirety of the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: American production capability of Patriot interceptors. And so America doesn't
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: need to double or triple or quadruple, it needs fifty
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: full the future of wars missiles and drones. And if
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: the arsenals of America and its entire allies in the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: Middle East and Ukraine and Europe are all depleted by
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: the Ukraine and Iran wars and constantly depleted, and you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: can't build enough for that, then you are woefully unprepared
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: for anything having to do with China, you know, great
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: power competition with Russia. The future of war requires these interceptors.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: Everybody needs to be building one hundredfold what they're building today.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: That's something that people are starting to learn from the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: Iran war. The Israelis have already started to expand. The
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: Pentagon has given the order to expand the production lines
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: for these interceptors. But yeah, we need to get a
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: lot better at that. And while we've discovered how much
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: more advanced American airpower is over anything the Chinese could
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: deploy an Iran anything the Russians could deploy me wrong.
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  Speaker 5: Just as a testing ground, it's been absolutely incredible to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: see what American technology can do.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think Israel at given that opinion in
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: America has briefly splung against Israel, or the anti Israel
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: opinion has gone from ten percent to thirty percent, is
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: it time to build your own long range bomber and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: maybe not be COI about your nuclear arsenal. I know
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you're not being coy. You don't know, but hey, we've
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: got this much and we can put them on missiles
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and we can reach you packaged stan and we can
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: reach you China. In other words, to act like the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: superpower Israel is.
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  Speaker 5: So the narrow question of should we build the long
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  Speaker 5: range bomber, I'm totally unqualified to answer that. I just
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  Speaker 5: don't know if we can. I don't know if we can.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if such a bomber would be competitive.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it isn't. Nevertheless, for as long
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: as possible worth just buying the best America produces. I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: simply don't know what it would be involved. But I'll
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: tell you what everybody is saying in Israel in America.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: The great lesson of this war that is being studied
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: in every war college in the world. Missiles, missiles, missiles, missiles.
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  Speaker 5: Israel does not have an intercontinental ballistic missile program, except
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: it kind of does. It has the capability. It's one
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: of only less than ten countries in the world that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: can indigenously launch a satellite into space. It has a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: missile program to launch low Earth orbit satellites, espionage satellites
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: and things like that, and it does so it launches them. Now,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: those are exactly the same missiles you can very easily
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: retool to carry, for example, nuclear warheads, for example, to
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: become long range missile. So this will already has the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: ability to very easily transform what it does have technologically
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: into the kind of missile program that would make everybody,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: you know, think twice about attacking it. So that's.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: That's what we need. I given that the UK and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: France are sort of falling apart, we need another nuclear
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: power on our team. I'll be right back for one
• 1:07:30
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• 1:07:33
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  Speaker 1: with Aviv. Ready gur who graces us every six weeks,
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  Speaker 1: or sell him. We're glad to have him. He is
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  Speaker 1: the Middle East correspondent for the Free Press. You should
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  Speaker 1: listen to his podcasts, like and subscribe, ask Kviv anything,
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  Speaker 1: join his Patreon community. Aviv, I want to go to Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: It's not been in the front front pages except for
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: an occasional attempt by a terrorist across the L line
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: and they get smoked. And that is a Statis that
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: isn't tenable? Is the endgame there to build West Berlin
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  Speaker 1: while Hamash occupied Gaza is East Berlin? Is that what's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I'll tell you three things that I
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: know about what's going on in Gaza. Maybe they're useful
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: to the listeners of viewers. First is the criticism from
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: on my side the Israeli government doesn't appear to be
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: pushing in that direction. To my massive frustration. The part
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: under Israeli control can be turned It has relatively few Palestinians,
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  Speaker 5: and it can be turned into something that can be
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  Speaker 5: an example for what Kamas isn't. This is the strategy
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  Speaker 5: America pursued in I Rock. We've discussed this before. I
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  Speaker 5: wish the Israelis were doing it. This Israeli government doesn't
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  Speaker 5: do those kinds of things, to my endless frustration. And
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  Speaker 5: it's you know, I've criticized this Israeli government on several
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  Speaker 5: of these kinds of problems that I think are easy
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  Speaker 5: wins that they're refusing to take. At the same time,
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  Speaker 5: there is the question of Hamas. That's the big question,
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  Speaker 5: that's the dramatic question, that's the future of Gaza question
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  Speaker 5: disarmament talks in order to move into phase two, which
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  Speaker 5: includes the rebuilding Phase two of the Trump Plan that
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  Speaker 5: was passed as a UN Security Council resolution that as
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  Speaker 5: the buy in of the entire world, in the entire region,
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  Speaker 5: That phase too demands Haramas disarmament. Hamas is refusing to disarm.
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  Speaker 5: And so even though the money is there and the
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  Speaker 5: money is infinite. I mean the money is tens of
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  Speaker 5: billions of dollars at least not more. Hamas won't disarm
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  Speaker 5: and nobody knows how to rebuild a Gaza in which
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  Speaker 5: an armed Camas is still in charge. And so Hamas
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  Speaker 5: now holds Gaza hostage. It no longer holds any Israeli hostages.
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  Speaker 5: It holds Gaza hostage, and nobody knows how to get
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  Speaker 5: out of it. There is Hamas in the US. There
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  Speaker 5: was just a report. I'm just trying to find it
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  Speaker 5: before coming on. I don't remember where it appeared, maybe
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  Speaker 5: the Wall Street Journal. There was just a report that
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  Speaker 5: the US and had direct talks of some kind to
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  Speaker 5: try and kickstart this kind of board of peace disarmament talks.
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  Speaker 5: Try it, maybe to my understanding, and I don't I
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  Speaker 5: didn't hear this from American officials, So take it with
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  Speaker 5: a grain of salt to try and find a way
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  Speaker 5: for dope. Gaza is stuck and nobody knows how to
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  Speaker 5: move forward on any of this, and the Israelis are
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  Speaker 5: holding that half of Ganza, the prevens commands from being
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  Speaker 5: able to come up to the border, and nobody knows
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  Speaker 5: the way forward. Until Hamas finds a way to not
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  Speaker 5: be Hamas.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully that's when the money runs out, because Iran can't
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  Speaker 1: be a run. Last question, have you even We've got
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  Speaker 1: like five minutes for this. I follow the Lebanon war
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  Speaker 1: as best I can. I understand as best I can.
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  Speaker 1: Israel has no choice, but the push has Belah far
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  Speaker 1: enough away that they can't make Galilee uninhabitable. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think they're going Do you think the IDF is going
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  Speaker 1: to stay again for years and years and years and years.
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  Speaker 5: That I think that depends on Lebanon. And I don't
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  Speaker 5: mean to say that in the way that an Israeli
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  Speaker 5: government spokesman would say that as a demand that Lebanon act.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it literally depends on Lebanon. This is a
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  Speaker 5: very different Israel. This is an Israel that assumes that
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  Speaker 5: Hasbelah doesn't have a single asset. It's not going to use.
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  Speaker 5: Every rocket will be launched at us, every missile, every fighter,
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  Speaker 5: none of it is meant to deter It is all
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  Speaker 5: meant to be used with no concern for the cost
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  Speaker 5: of Lebanon, of the ensuing conflict, and so grasbel As undeterable.
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  Speaker 5: And so you either take out that capability, that missile,
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  Speaker 5: that rocket, that fighter, or you wait for the war
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  Speaker 5: to come on their schedule. It's either your schedule or
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  Speaker 5: their schedule. With this kind of enemy, the war is
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  Speaker 5: inevitable because that is what the Israelis believe. They no
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  Speaker 5: longer care about staying wherever they need to stay. They
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  Speaker 5: no longer care about destroying infrastructures that uses. It's no
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  Speaker 5: Israel no longer believes that this kind of enemy, the Mukawama.
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  Speaker 5: This isn't its relationship with Jordan or Egypt or even adversaries.
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  Speaker 5: Turkey is a strategic adversary, though not actually an enemy.
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  Speaker 5: That's not its relationship with any of those. But the
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  Speaker 5: Mukawama axis of Risbela, of Ramas of Iran are undeterable
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  Speaker 5: and everything they have abused against us, and so yes,
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  Speaker 5: the Israelis are perfectly capable of staying for generations, and
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  Speaker 5: that is a disaster for Lebanon, and Lebanon needs to
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  Speaker 5: find a way to stop Risbelah from doing what has
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  Speaker 5: been the definition of Risbela, which is continuing at all
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  Speaker 5: costs without any concern for the destruction of Lebanon and
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  Speaker 5: everything in Lebanon and everything that is done to Lebanon's
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  Speaker 5: economy and state capacity to continue to pursue this goal
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  Speaker 5: of the destruction of Israel for religious reasons. The Israelis
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  Speaker 5: are going to stay for a long time unless Lebanon
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  Speaker 5: finds a way to change Risbela fundamentally into a political organization.
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  Speaker 5: It's happened before, by the way, when these Islamist terror
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  Speaker 5: groups become political organizations that can be reasoned with. But
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  Speaker 5: it's hard to see it happening t Risbola. I hope
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  Speaker 5: it does.
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  Speaker 1: In a short time. When did that happen before? Because
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  Speaker 1: I was going I thought you had to break and
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  Speaker 1: destroy resistance based ideologies. They can evolve.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually have read some interesting writings on this,
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  Speaker 5: but I have to go and look it up, so
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  Speaker 5: please have me back and I'll come with the lift.
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  Speaker 5: But yes, there have been terror organizations that turned into
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  Speaker 5: sometimes because they've won, sometimes because they were crushed so
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  Speaker 5: brutally they had no choice but that they turned into
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  Speaker 5: civilian organizations. Incidentally, they are branches of the Muslim Brotherhood
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  Speaker 5: within Israeli politics that talk about the need for a
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  Speaker 5: Jewish state, recognize the Jewish state, and they are absolutely
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  Speaker 5: Soliphist organizations to Ramas in terms of their religious understanding,
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  Speaker 5: but just not violent. In other words, this takes a
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  Speaker 5: lot of explaining. But Islam can be redeemed by a
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  Speaker 5: return to the original holy version of Islam in the
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  Speaker 5: early generations. But we don't have to burn everything to
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  Speaker 5: the ground and murder everybody's children to do so. So
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  Speaker 5: they walk with Ramas, you know, most of the theological
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  Speaker 5: path and diverge on that last part about burning everything
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  Speaker 5: to the ground. And we have that there. There's some
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  Speaker 5: in Central Asia, there's some of these movements in the Gulf.
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  Speaker 5: Some of it was the repression of the countries themselves.
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  Speaker 5: The Saudi's cracked down on these types of people and
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  Speaker 5: they switched. They switched. Is it's sustainable. It's sustainable as
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  Speaker 5: long as the country is willing to fight and make
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  Speaker 5: sure that it is. It is too costly to be radical,
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  Speaker 5: violent and brutal in that way. Lebanon is not strong
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  Speaker 5: enough to do that to Risbela. But it is doable.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the most optimistic Kavive I think I've ever
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  Speaker 1: heard it. I'm gonna I'm gonna end it there and
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