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SMNTY Classics: Heather Mason · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha, I want do stuff
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  Speaker 1: never told you Production by Heart Radio and for Today's Classic,
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  Speaker 1: I've already hinted at it, but we are bringing back
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  Speaker 1: the fictional women episode that we did around Heather Mason
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  Speaker 1: from Silent Hill three, because yes, I have been.
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  Speaker 2: On a Silent heillkick. It is.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting to the end of October, even though you
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  Speaker 1: know we love talking about the stuff all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, October is a good time. And as
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  Speaker 1: mentioned if you heard a recent Happy Hour, I said
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  Speaker 1: that when we recorded this, I did not know there
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  Speaker 1: was a second Silent Hill movie, Silent Hill to Revelation,
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  Speaker 1: which hilariously is about Silent Hill three. So I like
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  Speaker 1: to joke Silent Hill two, Silent Hill three. They're filming
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  Speaker 1: Silent Hill two right now, so it should be there
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  Speaker 1: another one Silent Hill three, Silent Hill two. Yes, this
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  Speaker 1: movie has so much drama behind it. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to go into it, but wow, the drama with the
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  Speaker 1: directors and the writers that had to be replaced and
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  Speaker 1: they bought new people in.
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  Speaker 2: It has actors that.
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  Speaker 1: I could not believe, like it did not know even
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  Speaker 1: after watching it. Carrie I Moss is in there. Kit
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  Speaker 1: Harrington is in there, and I have to say I've
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyed it, but it's very terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Did we not watch it together?
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  Speaker 2: No, I did not know this existed. I did not
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  Speaker 2: know this existed.
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  Speaker 3: So I watched this before you did.
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  Speaker 2: You must have. I didn't know it was the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 1: I found it randomly, and I thought it was a
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  Speaker 1: joke because I saw some pictures from it.
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  Speaker 2: It was not a joke.
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  Speaker 3: It was not a joke because I watched it pretty
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  Speaker 3: immediately after I watched the first one, which we did.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, I've never seen it. Les you didn't know it.
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  Speaker 2: I knew it before you did. Oh yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: a wild time.
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  Speaker 1: It's also in three D, and it's not a good
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  Speaker 1: three D That translates to watching it when you're on
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  Speaker 1: your home screen. It doesn't really follow the plot very
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  Speaker 1: well of the game. The characters are completely different. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the Heather is essentially the same, but everyone else that
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  Speaker 1: is not what their deal was in the game, except
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  Speaker 1: maybe Carrie Anne Moss's character. I guess I could see that,
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  Speaker 1: but she doesn't have that sexy dominatrix side. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know where that anyway, it's very different than the game.
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  Speaker 1: The person who played Heather was a fan cast actually, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And the person who created pyramid Head, which is kind
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  Speaker 1: of the iconic villain of Silent Hell two. Pyramid Head
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  Speaker 1: appears in both Silent Hell movies. The person who created
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  Speaker 1: pyramid Head said after he saw this movie he wished
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  Speaker 1: he'd never created pyramid Head at all.
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  Speaker 2: Really harsh.
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  Speaker 1: Harsh, Yes, because pyramid Head is kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: sexy pyramid Head in here, and he becomes Heather's protector,
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  Speaker 1: and pyramid Head is supposed to represent in the second game,
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  Speaker 1: James's guilt for what he did, Like this is very
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  Speaker 1: specifically supposed to be a mirror of James, and so
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  Speaker 1: he's the creator of pyramid Head is furious at how
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  Speaker 1: pearmid Head is being used.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and remind me, it's the second one, the one
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  Speaker 3: where she is a she's mirroring him or like like
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  Speaker 3: fantasy level like where he's she's there, but she's not there.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I mean, Silent Hill's confusing like that. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like you go into the other world.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but she can still kind of contact him, like
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  Speaker 3: there's there's a yes, Okay, So I did see it
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  Speaker 3: was because I remember thinking Game of Thrones connections Sean
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  Speaker 3: Bean and Kit Harrington, which is why I watched it
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  Speaker 3: and knew it existed.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, let me tell you Sean Bean's character did
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  Speaker 1: not make it in the game, but he can in
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  Speaker 1: the movie. Yes, uh, yes, because she in the movie
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  Speaker 1: they make it. I know I explained this in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: but very briefly. Essentially, Heather is like a piece of
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  Speaker 1: the Little Girl from the first one, right, a lesser
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  Speaker 1: slash Sharon, and so he the pyramid Head, has this
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  Speaker 1: connection to Alessa, who is the person they burned as
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  Speaker 1: a sacrifice to make Silent Hill, and it's trying to
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  Speaker 1: get all of the revenge. So he is protecting Heather,
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  Speaker 1: and so she's kind of got this control over him,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a big fight between him and carry a Moss.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway it is.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, honestly, Samantha, I was speechless when
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  Speaker 1: I saw it.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe that didn't come up because I knew
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  Speaker 3: it existed when we talked about Solid Hill of movie and.
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  Speaker 2: How bad I was.
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  Speaker 1: No, I have no idea, and I did enjoy like
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  Speaker 1: the visuals of Robbie the rabbit is the pink rabbit
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  Speaker 1: that's often like seen with blood around its mouth or
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  Speaker 1: something in the game.
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  Speaker 2: And I like the like.
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  Speaker 1: Carousel scene where she confronts her dark self dark Heather.
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  Speaker 1: That's from the game. You have to fight dark Heather.
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  Speaker 1: So there were pieces of it that I really enjoyed.
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  Speaker 1: But I talked to another Silent Hell fan, a friend
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  Speaker 1: of the show, Lauren, not a fan. She she was
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  Speaker 1: very angry.
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  Speaker 2: About the whole thing. Really, no, definitely rightly. So I
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  Speaker 2: think I had passed.
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  Speaker 1: I had missed the mark, like and I'd already assumed
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  Speaker 1: it would be bad because the first one was pretty bad.
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  Speaker 1: So I had a good old time. But yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: I if I thought it was going to be good
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  Speaker 1: and based on the game, I would have been furious.
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  Speaker 1: But instead I just had fun. I was laughing, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like live texting my other Silent Heil.
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  Speaker 2: Friend, Katie. I was like, you won't believe what I'm
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  Speaker 2: witnessing right now? Are yeah again?
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  Speaker 3: Or are you coming like me? Knowing that it's bad
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  Speaker 3: but I have no context. I was like, Okay, this
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  Speaker 3: is this is cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a weird one. It's all right. Why
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  Speaker 2: is Kit Harrington acting this way? No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well anyway, that's my update on this that was very
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  Speaker 1: excited to share.
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  Speaker 2: Please enjoy this classic episode.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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  Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeartRadio. And today it is
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  Speaker 1: time for another segment of fictional Women around.
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  Speaker 2: The World helloween edition. Hello, Yes, it's yes.
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  Speaker 1: This one is on a character from one of my
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  Speaker 1: very favorite franchises of all time, Silent Hill. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Heather Mason from Silent Hell three and buckle in
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  Speaker 1: because this one is going to be just so confusing,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is fun.
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  Speaker 2: Sala Hill is confusing. I don't understand. Keep going. You've
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  Speaker 2: seen You've seen some of the movies, right, Yes, I've
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  Speaker 2: seen the first movie.
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  Speaker 1: One movie, all right, which the movie was also confusing,
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  Speaker 1: So yes, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I did want to put in some quick notes in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning here. This one is like I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to go to in depth, but they're kind of disturbing,
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  Speaker 1: so just to put that out there. There's some talk
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  Speaker 1: about potential miscarriages, cults, gods, evil gods. Also, if you
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  Speaker 1: played DDR as a kid, Silent Hill three did have
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  Speaker 1: a DDR song, and I was an expert at it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure if I did it again today, I would.
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  Speaker 2: Continue to nail it.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, at an event you had a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago, Samantha me, Yes, there was a DDR
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  Speaker 1: game there and me my friend Katie, we did this
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  Speaker 1: song from Sionel three. So we did not We did
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  Speaker 1: not nail it, but we at one time did. Also,
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  Speaker 1: we just talked about the Konami code and our spoiled
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  Speaker 1: Saturdays on fear Street.
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  Speaker 2: Silent Hill three has the opening menu.
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  Speaker 1: If you enter the Konami code, you can get some
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  Speaker 1: some extras, but it does do a very sexual sound
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  Speaker 1: when you put it in, so.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just put that out there. And also, this was.
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  Speaker 1: One of those games where there's a lot of costuming
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  Speaker 1: choices for Heather when you get to the end, and
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  Speaker 1: some of them are pretty sexualized. But okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Heather Mason is the main playable character of the two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and three survival horror game Silent Hill three, though
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  Speaker 1: she technically first appeared in the first entry of the series,
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  Speaker 1: Silent Hills. So sound Hill, like I said, is one
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  Speaker 1: of my very favorite franchises. I used to play them.
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  Speaker 1: I think Silent Hill two is one of the scariest
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  Speaker 1: games I've ever played. But I would play them all
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  Speaker 1: the time. We like my brother and my friends would
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  Speaker 1: play it. We would watch each other play it. We
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  Speaker 1: would just get so scared. So Silent Hill is the
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  Speaker 1: name of this franchise of video games that revolve around
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  Speaker 1: a town called Silent Hill that may or not be purgatory,
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  Speaker 1: depending on your interpretation. They're very very psychological horror. They're
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  Speaker 1: very very interrogating you as the player about who you are. So,
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  Speaker 1: especially the ending of Silent Hills, who is I think
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  Speaker 1: kind of a almost a judgment who you are based
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  Speaker 1: on what ending you get. So in the first Silent Hill,
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  Speaker 1: this guy named Harry Mason accidentally crashes his car in
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  Speaker 1: Silent Hill trying to avoid a young girl on the road.
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  Speaker 1: And this young girl is named Alessa, And when he
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  Speaker 1: wakes up, he cannot find his daughter, Cheryl, who had
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  Speaker 1: also been in the car with him, so he goes
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  Speaker 1: he goes about this creepy, foggy town of Silent Hill
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  Speaker 1: looking for her, which is also a tourist town, which
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  Speaker 1: kind of blows my mind. And it seems that things
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  Speaker 1: are fluctuating between reality and literal hell. Like one minute,
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of a foggy town, in the other minute,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, actually hell. Perhaps it turns out that a lessa,
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  Speaker 1: a supernatural being of sorts, is being tortured, has been
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  Speaker 1: tortured by a cult and Silent Hill in order to
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  Speaker 1: impregnate her and rebirth a god from her, and that
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  Speaker 1: her nightmares are becoming reality through all of this. So basically,
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  Speaker 1: she's having these nightmares and that's what that hell escape
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  Speaker 1: world you're seeing is. And also she lured Harry and
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl there because Cheryl is the missing part of her
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  Speaker 1: soul due to a ritual gone wrong, and by reuniting,
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  Speaker 1: she could kill herself and prevent an evil god from
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  Speaker 1: being birthed from her.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this is the plot of a video game. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Depending on her acts the actions you made as a
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  Speaker 1: player throughout the game, Alessa combines with Cheryl and becomes
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  Speaker 1: a demon or a potential demon.
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  Speaker 2: And just I'm condensing this like so so much.
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  Speaker 1: If you ever want to talk about Silent Hill with me,
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  Speaker 1: I could go on and on and on, but for
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  Speaker 1: the sake of this episode, I'm condensing it.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Harry battles the gods and Alissa's mother, Dahlia, who's
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  Speaker 1: the leader of this cult, and once defeated, Alyssa and
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl are fused together and reborn into a single soul
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  Speaker 1: and a single baby, and Harry names this baby Heather.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, okay, so here we go, Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: He moves to Portland to raise Heather, so he debates
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  Speaker 1: strangling her, otherwise killing her or abandoning her, but ultimately
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  Speaker 1: he decides to raise her and the two love each
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  Speaker 1: other and doing so. In raising her, he has to
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  Speaker 1: fend off the cults of Silent Hill attempting to abduct her.
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  Speaker 1: He dyed her hair blonde from its original brown to
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  Speaker 1: conceal her identity. So, seventeen years after the events at
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  Speaker 1: the first Game, Heather Mason makes her debut as the
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  Speaker 1: main character in Silent Hell three. She's a teenager in
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  Speaker 1: this gray hoodie with cut off sleeves an army green
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  Speaker 1: mini skirt, and she's got these boots, and she's got
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  Speaker 1: this like short blonde hair hanging out of her hoodie,
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  Speaker 1: and she's hanging out at the mall. Of course, of course,
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  Speaker 1: malls are never good in horror movies or horror games,
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  Speaker 1: and strange things start to happen. The mall is all red,
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  Speaker 1: Suddenly there's chains everywhere like very.
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  Speaker 2: Creepy, very hell scapey.
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  Speaker 1: There's a creepy, bloody bunny mascot Robbie the Rabbit, and monsters,
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  Speaker 1: and the building seems to be trying to trap her inside.
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  Speaker 2: Every time she tries to she gets trapped inside. She
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  Speaker 2: returns home. She finally gets out.
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  Speaker 1: She returns home to find that her father, Harry, has
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  Speaker 1: been murdered by a monster that she then has to face.
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  Speaker 2: The cult has.
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  Speaker 1: Found her and is trying to bring her back to
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  Speaker 1: Silent Hill. She also confronts Detective Douglas Cartland, who is
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  Speaker 1: investigating her, and she is very suspicious of him. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: after the murder of her father, she agrees to accompany
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  Speaker 1: him to Silent Hill, and what follows is a pretty
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  Speaker 1: horrific journey where Heather confronts her past and resurfaces these memories,
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  Speaker 1: finds out these truths about who she is in her
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  Speaker 1: own past. She proves incredibly adaptable to disturbing situations. She's determined,
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  Speaker 1: she's tenacious and kind. The relationship between Cartland and Heather
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  Speaker 1: becomes somewhat of a father daughter one and the endings
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  Speaker 1: vary based on decisions you make throughout the game. All
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  Speaker 1: Silent Hell games are like that, or most of them
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  Speaker 1: are like that, but generally Heather decides to change her
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  Speaker 1: name to Cheryl Mason to honor her former self. And
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  Speaker 1: this game was pretty popular. This character has appeared in
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  Speaker 1: movies and also a few other games. She's pretty blunt, capable,
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  Speaker 1: quick to anger, snarky, sarcastic, a lot of things that
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  Speaker 1: are often attributed to teenagers, which I think was very
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  Speaker 1: purposeful the whole is it a monster adolescent trope, especially
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  Speaker 1: at the end, because there's one ending where you're like,
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  Speaker 1: oh god, if she's.
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  Speaker 2: A monster or is she just being like a teenager?
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell. She's a big fan of classical literature.
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  Speaker 2: There's this whole.
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  Speaker 1: There are riddles in the game, and there you can
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  Speaker 1: set there difficulty, and there's one that's all about Shakespeare
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  Speaker 1: and the acts in there, and it's so difficult. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh. She's anti religious and or atheist. She's got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of trauma. She's very independent, she's brave, she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really get scared like the part of them all
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning, she's just kind of like rolling with
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  Speaker 1: the punches, like okay, and she yes, she does have
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  Speaker 1: so many costumes that you can find. Of note, her
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  Speaker 1: main costume, wealth Feminine isn't really sexualized. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: these costumes are, but her main one isn't, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people write about that when they write up
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  Speaker 1: about her, because she is someone who comes up as
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  Speaker 1: like one of the best women in survival horror characters
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  Speaker 1: you can play.
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  Speaker 2: The ending is like, okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: She vomits up a fetus.
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  Speaker 2: One has to kill it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's pretty gruesome. Her ending depends on what
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  Speaker 1: you did throughout the game, as I said, but she yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she generally like plays a prank on Douglas and it's
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  Speaker 1: implied that they're gonna be okay. There's also the Possess
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  Speaker 1: ending where she kills Douglas slash Cartland, and the UFO
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  Speaker 1: ending where Harry is alive and commands aliens to destroy
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  Speaker 1: Sound Hill. So every sound Hill game has the ending
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  Speaker 1: where the aliens come in and destroy sound Hill pretty
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  Speaker 1: much or the dog did it or whatever. They're like
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  Speaker 1: funny ending the Dog Hill to the Dog ending yep. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I I really liked Heather when I played her
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  Speaker 1: because she she's she feels to me like she's a
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  Speaker 1: She's a pretty good rendering of a teenager.
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  Speaker 2: She's feminine, but not too feminine.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't look like she kind of looks worn out
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  Speaker 1: and tired all the time, which I think they did
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  Speaker 1: on purpose. But she's she's funny and snarky, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: she just really.
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  Speaker 2: Gets things done. She's like, no, I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: do this.
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  Speaker 1: And her story is revenge based a lot of it,
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  Speaker 1: but then it becomes a almost empathetic to her past
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  Speaker 1: self and to the sort of sister Claudia of her
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  Speaker 1: past self.
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  Speaker 2: So I really like it.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Silent Hell games, especially the first three,
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of interesting things to say. Sometimes they
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  Speaker 1: did do well and sometimes they didn't. But kind of
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  Speaker 1: this idea of being used your nightmares, being used your pain, being.
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  Speaker 2: Used as a woman to birth a god or a demon.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, is there is throughout in these games that
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  Speaker 1: torturing women are using women's pain to benefit are to
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  Speaker 1: create something monstrous. So yeah, maybe one day we'll do
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  Speaker 1: a whole episode on Silent Hill.
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  Speaker 2: I would love it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've watched the first movie.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I can contribute.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know Cheryl, who's the young girl from
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  Speaker 1: the first movie.
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  Speaker 2: But yay, that's say that's all I got. Okay, Well
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  Speaker 2: that's something I'm into it. Thank you, You're welcome. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: This brings us to the end of this edition of
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  Speaker 1: Fictional Women Around the World. As always, if you have
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  Speaker 1: any thoughts on Silent Hill of anybody we should cover
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