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Elevated Horror and #MeToo · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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Speaker 1: never told you a production of iHeart Radio. And today
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Speaker 1: we're going to finally be addressing are if we kind
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Speaker 1: of hinted at it our episode on elevated Horror and
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Speaker 1: what it has to do with women and me Too,
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Speaker 1: which we kind of did very briefly in two Happy
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Speaker 1: Hours that were just like these quick reviews on recent
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Speaker 1: horror movies. But also we have done entire episodes on
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Speaker 1: movies that would fall into this um So we've done
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Speaker 1: feminist movie Fridays on Screen five, Alien the which I
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Speaker 1: would say even Women in Revenge could kind of be
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Speaker 1: counted in here some of the movies we talked about
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Speaker 1: in those episodes, because that was the two parter Our
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Speaker 1: Final Girl episode, our Screen Queen's episode, or episode on
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Speaker 1: women and monsters, women who are monsters, and even urban legends,
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Speaker 1: women urban legend monsters, all of this stuff. So this
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Speaker 1: is kind of interesting because I'm gonna I'm going to
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Speaker 1: break down what exactly is elevated horror, which is kind
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Speaker 1: of a big question, uh, and I have a lot
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Speaker 1: of thoughts about it, and then we're gonna run through
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Speaker 1: some movies that are examples of it very quickly at
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Speaker 1: the end, because otherwise this episode would be oh forever,
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Speaker 1: forever long. But yes, Samantha has always feel free to
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Speaker 1: jump in at any time. I have been watching quite
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Speaker 1: a few horror movies lately, but I have a lot
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Speaker 1: more to go because we are in October. I've got
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Speaker 1: my list, but I'm also trying to introduce some new things.
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Speaker 1: Um try to add some new things. Brief discussions around violence,
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Speaker 1: domestic violence, sexual assault, child endangerment, child abuse, and murdering
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Speaker 1: this that's it's really bad. We're not going to get
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Speaker 1: into in depth into any of that, but I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to put it out there because we are talking
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Speaker 1: about horror movies where that comes up quite often. Alright, So,
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Speaker 1: elevated horror, what exactly is it? Well? That is hotly
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Speaker 1: contested and very very divisive. The general consensus seems to
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Speaker 1: be that it's essentially a brand of horror that leans
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Speaker 1: more into being emotionally upsetting as opposed to things like
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Speaker 1: gore jump scares. It might upset you, but that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean at all that there are no gore and jump scares.
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Speaker 1: Our feminist movie for this month was an Elevated horror
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Speaker 1: because I was upset Annie. It was you know what,
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Speaker 1: in a minute, we should break down our own definitions
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Speaker 1: of what it is. I would qualify it. Uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: we'll look forward to that episode. She was quite upset
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Speaker 1: and it was fair. It was okay. So some people
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Speaker 1: take issue with the quote elitism of the term elevated
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Speaker 1: horror and how it implies that horror needed to be elevated.
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Speaker 1: Basically that the term is pretentious and is you know,
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Speaker 1: saying a fun slasher movie needs to be elevated. It's
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Speaker 1: not very good. Are that horror itself? It's a trashy genre,
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Speaker 1: so this is like good horror. Many argue it's an
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Speaker 1: unnecessary term or sub genre, that there's still horror movies
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Speaker 1: at the core, Like why do we need this term?
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Speaker 1: Um And essentially that maybe it's a way for people
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Speaker 1: who are embarrassed or ashamed to admit they like horror
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Speaker 1: movies to say they like horror movies, even though elevated
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Speaker 1: horror movies that they're talking about are still horror movies. Um.
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Speaker 1: So like being like, I don't like horror, I like
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Speaker 1: elevated horror, but it's still horror. Essentially, Some say it's
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Speaker 1: basically just a more pretentious term for psychological horror, art horror,
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Speaker 1: or social horror um for instance, horror movies around race
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Speaker 1: like get Out, which was classified as Best Musical or
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Speaker 1: Comedy at the seventy five Golden Globe Awards. To illustrate
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Speaker 1: a point that we're going to mate later, but but
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Speaker 1: essentially like, Okay, I'm gonna break this down in a minute,
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Speaker 1: but it sounds like we're having a lot of discussion
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Speaker 1: around what these these movies actually are. Others argue that
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Speaker 1: while it's silly, this term is silly, it's useful for
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Speaker 1: uplifting a genre that for so long has been looked
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Speaker 1: down upon. All right, so this is kind of stream
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Speaker 1: of consciousness. But here is my thought about this whole thing. Okay,
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Speaker 1: all right, So I am somewhere in the middle because
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Speaker 1: I love a good bad horror movie, which I think
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Speaker 1: is a thing that exists, and I see nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with that. Like, I don't think that's a guilty pleasure.
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Speaker 1: I don't think like that means it's not worthy of watching.
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Speaker 1: I think if you want a good bad horror movie,
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Speaker 1: you can find a good, good bad horrory. I like
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Speaker 1: a slasher. I think if I had to define elevated horror,
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Speaker 1: which I heard for the first time in Screen five.
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Speaker 1: Actually I hadn't heard it before then they have a
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Speaker 1: whole discussion about it at the beginning of that movie. Um,
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Speaker 1: I would agree that the term can sound pretty snabby.
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Speaker 1: I don't think psychological horror quite captures what I thought
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Speaker 1: elevated horror is. Social horror is closer, though that's still
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Speaker 1: not quite right. Horror, as I have said a million times,
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Speaker 1: reflects our societal fears, sometimes reinforcing them, sometimes critiquing them,
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Speaker 1: sometimes doing all of those things. So when I think
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Speaker 1: of elevated horror, in my mind, it feels more like
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Speaker 1: an intentional critique, because sometimes horror movies make they have
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Speaker 1: these messaging in them that I'm not sure they meant
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Speaker 1: to have, you know what I mean. But sometimes it's
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Speaker 1: very intentional and that can work out, and sometimes it
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Speaker 1: doesn't work out. Sometimes it feels like way too blunt
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Speaker 1: or like in your face heavy handed. Um. But so
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Speaker 1: going on that definition, something like the original scream could
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Speaker 1: be in the mix, because I guess self aware is
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Speaker 1: also a term we get thrown in there. But they
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Speaker 1: kind of knew, like what these messages were and we're
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Speaker 1: commenting on them. But yeah, I can see how that feels, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're still passing judgment on other horror movies.
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Speaker 1: And also, you know, interpretations and messaging often are unintentional
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Speaker 1: and or like you can't really predict always with the
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Speaker 1: audience is going to take away from something intent. It's
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Speaker 1: hard to judge sometimes. But you know a lot of
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Speaker 1: people said, like, can we not just say some movies
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Speaker 1: are better than others, that some movies pull it off better,
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Speaker 1: but okay, for our purposes. In this episode, it is
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Speaker 1: a movie that is using horror to comment pretty directly
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Speaker 1: on a social issue. UM. I also have personally never
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Speaker 1: fell elevated horror meant that other horror movies suck are
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Speaker 1: are not worthwhile. But I've also grown up like one
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Speaker 1: watching horror movies all the time. UM, I think the
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Speaker 1: time I grew up, there was a lot of good
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Speaker 1: horror movies or horror movies that people liked a lot.
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Speaker 1: So I never got the impression that a lot of
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Speaker 1: people seem to get I'm going to talk about in
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Speaker 1: a minute, that they had been judged for like a
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Speaker 1: horror movies. I never really got that. I also grew
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Speaker 1: up around a lot of sci fi movies and fantasy
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Speaker 1: movies that had similar terminology, like you hear you know, heady,
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Speaker 1: your cerebral sci fi, high fantasy. You can make all
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Speaker 1: these same arguments we're making right now about that. I
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Speaker 1: just assumed those kinds of things meant that you paid
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Speaker 1: more attention to them, like you needed to pay more
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Speaker 1: attention to them because there was some message going on, which, yes,
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Speaker 1: isn't always good or isn't always done well and can
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Speaker 1: fail at its message, So it doesn't mean it's better.
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Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm trying to say. So this
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Speaker 1: is a very complicated thing. Obviously, Also, entertainment sometimes gets
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Speaker 1: a popular interpretation. Yes, that might not have been intended.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot of those movies before, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I read when I was researching
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Speaker 1: this did feel like the people who were writing it
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Speaker 1: felt slighted for liking horror um and this term elevated
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Speaker 1: horror just annoyed them, especially people who prefer slashers, Like
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Speaker 1: they were like, are you saying slashers or not good?
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Speaker 1: I prefer them, which I would say that slasher could
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Speaker 1: be an elevated horror. But you know, one of the
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Speaker 1: theories about how this term came to be is that
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Speaker 1: it was to counter in earlier rise and ultra gory
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Speaker 1: slashers slash horror movies. So it was like a way
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Speaker 1: of saying, it's not that thing. It's not really gory
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Speaker 1: slasher torture porn sometimes as it's called. Another similar theory
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Speaker 1: suggests that after a real slump in the quality of
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Speaker 1: horror movies in the early two thousand's, the genre needed
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Speaker 1: a rebranding, so this was their rebranding. And I get
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Speaker 1: the feelings of hurt people who have been here so long,
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Speaker 1: watching horror so long and have loved this genre, and
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Speaker 1: now they're hearing this term and they were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about. You're basically calling everything I
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Speaker 1: like like a last man. I get that. It also
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Speaker 1: dismisses the fact that whatever you call it, elevated horror
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Speaker 1: is not new, but more on that later. Um As
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Speaker 1: someone who has acted in a lot of horror movies,
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Speaker 1: it was frequently pitched to me. Horror was frequently pitched
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Speaker 1: to me as a subpar genre that was easier to
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Speaker 1: get distribution for. So I do think this has changed,
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Speaker 1: especially now I feel like we're I think I said
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Speaker 1: that we're living in a glut of horror movies, like
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Speaker 1: so many horror movies, and people are excited to see them.
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Speaker 1: But when I was in when I was acting in them,
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Speaker 1: everybody in almost everybody felt like I would rather be
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Speaker 1: doing any other genre. But this is the easiest genre
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Speaker 1: to get made and to get distributed, um as I said.
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Speaker 1: The VICH is often credited with really launching the term
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Speaker 1: elevated horror, though movies much older than that, even more recently,
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Speaker 1: older than that that makes sense, are included in the subgenre. Now.
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Speaker 1: It is mocked quite a bit in Screen five, which,
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Speaker 1: funnily enough, I would call but if all this is
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Speaker 1: confusing you, I think there's a lot of it's just
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Speaker 1: a lot of opinions about it. Indie Wire has a
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Speaker 1: really good thread of people debating the term, and I
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Speaker 1: really recommend it because I think there was a lot
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Speaker 1: of viewpoints that were showcased. Uh So, it wasn't just
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Speaker 1: one sided. There was a lot of you know, it's
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Speaker 1: a useful term. I don't like it. Oh no, I
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Speaker 1: hate it, and here's why, Or no, I like it
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Speaker 1: and here's why. Um So I recommend it if you
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Speaker 1: want to learn more. And yeah, horror movies are popular.
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Speaker 1: They are experiencing a surge of popularity right now. They
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Speaker 1: have recently swept up a bunch of awards. They make
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Speaker 1: big money movies like Paranormal Activities, started a whole franchise,
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Speaker 1: solidified a whole company, and on a tiny budget. Um
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Speaker 1: And as we discussed before, they've seen a steady and
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Speaker 1: increasing popularity amongst women and marginalized folks pretty much since
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Speaker 1: they've been around. Still, the critique that they have historically
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Speaker 1: not been respected is a fair one. To this day.
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Speaker 1: I think only six horror movies have been nominated for
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Speaker 1: Best Picture, though that does depend on what do you
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Speaker 1: classify as a horror movie. Um. There are similar numbers
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Speaker 1: around fantasy and sci fi. People looking into the matter
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Speaker 1: also argue that what is successful influences what is made,
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Speaker 1: meaning we are living in a glut of horror right
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Speaker 1: now because they have been successful, so they are getting made. Um.
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Speaker 1: But on top of that, many fine solace in horror
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Speaker 1: win living in horrific times. And in fact, I just
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Speaker 1: saw an article about this, which is probably because Google
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Speaker 1: watches everything you do. But it was like, oh, you
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Speaker 1: would want to read this article. According to the Horror Report,
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Speaker 1: and two thousand, around two hundred horror films were produced,
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Speaker 1: but by twenty sixteen this number had risen to more
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Speaker 1: than one thousand. Uh, they're getting more well known actors, writers, directors, Etcetera.
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Speaker 1: Um Covid gave away to what some call lockdown horror.
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Speaker 1: I think the host, which I do love, as discussed
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Speaker 1: in previous episodes, during tims of strife like a pandemic,
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Speaker 1: more people turn to horror than might would normally. For
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Speaker 1: the catharsis an emotional release that can offer. Popular shows
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Speaker 1: like Stranger Things have introduced people to the genre and
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Speaker 1: while also playing homage to it. Here's the quote from
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Speaker 1: horror legend West Craven. Horror films don't create fear, they
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Speaker 1: release it. So I think it makes sense, Like right
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Speaker 1: now there are so many getting made, and we're seeing
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Speaker 1: like a wider variety of what's getting made. I do
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Speaker 1: think it's interesting. Sometimes I get this feeling when people
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Speaker 1: say elevated horror. What they really mean is stories we
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Speaker 1: haven't seen before, and a lot of it has to
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Speaker 1: do with women and marginalized people, which I think is
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Speaker 1: pretty telling. But Anyway, Yes, we are seeing a lot
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Speaker 1: when it comes to elevated horror, whatever you want to
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Speaker 1: call it, of movies that grappled directly with issues specific
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Speaker 1: to women, something that took off kind of after around
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Speaker 1: the time of Me Too. But again this is this
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Speaker 1: isn't new. This is kind of like a new wave
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Speaker 1: of something. I feel like it's been here forever. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: in this new way, what we're seeing a lot of
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Speaker 1: things around in these movies and women is trauma, so
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Speaker 1: much trauma. Um, we are seeing a lot of things
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Speaker 1: that you could relate to me to like sexual assault,
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Speaker 1: gas lighting, not being believed, which again is in all
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Speaker 1: kinds of horror movies, UM, domestic violence, pregnancy and motherhood,
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Speaker 1: loss of child, and mental health. And I would say, uh,
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Speaker 1: based on a lot of movies I've watched recently, some
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Speaker 1: kind of substance abuse and then also like men trying
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Speaker 1: to control women in into being back in like old times,
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Speaker 1: like men trying to control women. I guess ultimately, um,
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Speaker 1: that's just what I have seen, and it was something
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Speaker 1: that as someone who watches a lot of horror movies,
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Speaker 1: I've kind of been like, huh, A lot of these
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Speaker 1: movies are talking about this stuff right now, which I
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Speaker 1: find interesting, and we have covered it in full episodes.
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Speaker 1: We have covered, as we said, Scream five, which has
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Speaker 1: this whole conversation on elevated heart. It's very clear that
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Speaker 1: the killer on the phone does not like elevated or
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Speaker 1: the term and or otherwise. But you can check that
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Speaker 1: out if you want to learn more. I think the
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Speaker 1: Bitch it's it's a good example of this and that
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Speaker 1: they are they're talking about witches, but they're also talking
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Speaker 1: about sexuality and a young girl coming into her sexuality
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Speaker 1: and being called a witch and what that means and
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Speaker 1: how it turns you away, it turned you towards the
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Speaker 1: devil and butter or whatever it is, which I mean,
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Speaker 1: so many which movies are ultimately about that, about being
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Speaker 1: outcast from society and what does that make you and
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Speaker 1: what do you do when you're outcasts? And usually a
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Speaker 1: lot of sisterhood is involved, a lot of sisterhood and betrayal,
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Speaker 1: and usually one male uh yeah, but not, you know,
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Speaker 1: not always is their sister. There wasn't in this one,
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Speaker 1: that's for sure. Well, I guess there are. At the end,
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Speaker 1: there was there was the love, which which I really
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Speaker 1: recommend which has a whole thing about sexuality. It's gonna
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Speaker 1: hold like period vibe or she uses her tampons and
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Speaker 1: spells and stuff. Um, so I recommend that one. We
16:42
Speaker 1: talked about fresh in the whole episode, which has to
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Speaker 1: do with modern day dating and consumption culture when it
16:51
Speaker 1: comes to dating. We talked about she Will, which is
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Speaker 1: about using and abusing women for which I would say
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Speaker 1: is also a huge one. This is a big theme
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Speaker 1: I've seen lately horror movies. I think two I watched yesterday,
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Speaker 1: Like that definitely follows real life. It's true, it's true
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Speaker 1: what Arnowski and Polanski they do. The m h yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a big theme. A lot that
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Speaker 1: I've seen lately is that and kind of the trauma
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Speaker 1: that falls out from it and dealing with that trauma.
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Speaker 1: We talked about men and my quick happy hours, uh,
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Speaker 1: and how that's all about like blaming women, which I have
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Speaker 1: have also seen quite a bit of. And then X
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Speaker 1: and Pearl, which are you know, sequel prequel original. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how you want to say it, but some
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Speaker 1: of the things I didn't talk about and that I
17:48
Speaker 1: went to go see it a second time. I went
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Speaker 1: to go see Pearl a second time recently because I
17:52
Speaker 1: just had a like after you and I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I want to go again. Um. Some
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Speaker 1: of the things I didn't talk about in there was
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Speaker 1: that movie has kind of got a lot of messaging around,
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Speaker 1: like the nostalgia of remembering an older time and how
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Speaker 1: it was better, but this movie does not do that.
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Speaker 1: It's like, No, women were never actually like that, you
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Speaker 1: know that, right? They actually were super happy with saying
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Speaker 1: I was taking care of your family and not having opportunities.
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Speaker 1: There's this whole idea of having to give up being special,
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Speaker 1: having to give up your dreams and settle, which we've
18:31
Speaker 1: also talked about before. But then something else in jealousy
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Speaker 1: with other women, which we kind of touched on. But
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Speaker 1: Pearl was real jealous of other women, um, who could
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Speaker 1: get out in her mind, who escaped this sort of
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Speaker 1: settling that she did not want to do. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: those are movies we talked about. UM. One we haven't
18:53
Speaker 1: talked about, but we definitely could and should is mid Somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Did we not do an episode on that? We have
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Speaker 1: not done an episode on Midsummer? No? No, I think
19:06
Speaker 1: we've just talked about it a lot you would need. Wow,
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Speaker 1: my head, I thought we had already done this whole episode. Okay, No,
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I mean, maybe we have in listeners,
19:18
Speaker 1: all right, and I'll be like I have goodness, me
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Speaker 1: who knows. Um. But one of the things I find
19:24
Speaker 1: really interesting about Mid Summer is how I have been
19:28
Speaker 1: in a group of friends who have seen it, and
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Speaker 1: the divide will fall amongst the men and women in
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Speaker 1: the group of whether or not Florence Hugh's character was
19:40
Speaker 1: being gas lit or whether or not the boyfriend was
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Speaker 1: the one that was being wronged. And I always find
19:49
Speaker 1: it quite fascinating. That's not even a conversation in my mind,
19:54
Speaker 1: I know, right, So if you haven't seen it, Like
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Speaker 1: the most brief explanation is like Florence, whose character Danny,
20:03
Speaker 1: has a huge trategy. In the beginning, She's in this
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Speaker 1: relationship with this guy and his friend group who is
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Speaker 1: not great, is telling him he needs to break up
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Speaker 1: with her. He doesn't want to do it. Now she's
20:16
Speaker 1: got this tragedy, so I guess he feels compelled to
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Speaker 1: stay with her, but she feels in her mind like
20:22
Speaker 1: she's always asking too much of him. Um, and so Ultimately,
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Speaker 1: she finds out he was going to Sweden with this group.
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Speaker 1: She wants to go. He never asked. Everybody's like, no, no,
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Speaker 1: you can come. He doesn't. He never tells her she
20:36
Speaker 1: can't come or he doesn't want her to go. So
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Speaker 1: they go together. Things happen, UM not good. She kind
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Speaker 1: of finds this sort of happiness though, but it is
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Speaker 1: very much he is. Like when I watched I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is a gas lighting one oh one. This guy
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Speaker 1: and his friends mostly are just making her feel like
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Speaker 1: she's being ridiculous or too much. Um. She feels like
21:02
Speaker 1: she has to hide her grief all the time. There's
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Speaker 1: like five scenes in the movie where she goes to
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Speaker 1: hide so she can like cry or can make herself
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Speaker 1: feel better, which I get, like if it's a thing
21:13
Speaker 1: where you don't want to cry and people, I understand,
21:15
Speaker 1: But it's not that. So much is she doesn't feel
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Speaker 1: like she can because she feels like he'll leave her.
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Speaker 1: And there's a pretty explosive deleted scene where he's like
21:25
Speaker 1: I cannot you are too much to deal with and
21:27
Speaker 1: all the stuff. And I felt like when I watched it,
21:33
Speaker 1: like I said, gas lighting one on one, he was
21:35
Speaker 1: very much doing the bare minimum as is somebody in
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Speaker 1: a relationship and making her feel bad that he was
21:45
Speaker 1: doing the bare minimum. But I have talked to so
21:51
Speaker 1: many of my dude friends who were like, I can't
21:54
Speaker 1: stand her, like she's always asking for stuff and she
21:57
Speaker 1: just would not leave him alone. And just like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Thank you for reading. I don't think you're
22:03
Speaker 1: picking up the right message here because I need to
22:05
Speaker 1: talk to them. Oh it was interesting because I just,
22:09
Speaker 1: like you said, I'd never occurred to me like I
22:11
Speaker 1: was just like, yes, this is not a good boyfriend. Um,
22:15
Speaker 1: this is gas lighting. Uh. But it's got a lot
22:20
Speaker 1: going on when it comes to that, and I think
22:24
Speaker 1: we should if we have not done an episode over it,
22:27
Speaker 1: we should come back and talk about it because I
22:29
Speaker 1: have a lot of things to say. Okay. And then
22:35
Speaker 1: the other lamb is one have you ever seen this one? No,
22:38
Speaker 1: that is a new one. I don't know I've ever
22:40
Speaker 1: heard of it. Okay. So I feel like I'm just
22:42
Speaker 1: giving you a bunch of recommendations. Well, I no longer trust,
22:46
Speaker 1: so that's fair. I always looked them up, listeners, look
22:49
Speaker 1: them up. Don't just take my word. You can't look
22:56
Speaker 1: at up. I don't want to send you straight. The
22:59
Speaker 1: other Lamb is often called like, you know, another version
23:02
Speaker 1: of Midsummer. It involves a cult of this guy. It's
23:07
Speaker 1: run by this guy who looks like Jesus. Essentially, he's
23:10
Speaker 1: got all these young women, young girls in this cult,
23:15
Speaker 1: and when one of the women or young girls gets
23:20
Speaker 1: the period, gets their period, it's like, oh, now you
23:23
Speaker 1: have to have sex with this cult leader. Here's a
23:25
Speaker 1: big preference for youth. It's got a lot of messaging
23:28
Speaker 1: around that, which is also present in a lot of
23:30
Speaker 1: these and just this idea of all these women being
23:36
Speaker 1: expendable to him and something he can just control and
23:38
Speaker 1: use and throw away and hurt um and the women
23:42
Speaker 1: kind of coming together to come back. That your next
23:48
Speaker 1: which I'm just gonna say, ain't your normal final girl. Uh,
23:53
Speaker 1: there's a lot There's been a lot of movies about
23:56
Speaker 1: kind of flipping the final girl storyline. This is a
24:00
Speaker 1: big one. The Babba Duke, which I when I saw it,
24:05
Speaker 1: I I even I was like wow, because I hadn't
24:07
Speaker 1: seen a portrayal of motherhood like that. Because it's basically
24:10
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, depression and grief and mental
24:13
Speaker 1: health are not easy. They don't really go away. Healing
24:18
Speaker 1: is not an easy thing, and motherhood isn't always pretty,
24:21
Speaker 1: and you don't always really like your child, which is
24:25
Speaker 1: something you don't see very often, especially not in that
24:29
Speaker 1: way where it wasn't like she was out to I
24:32
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like when you see that the
24:34
Speaker 1: child is evil or something, or either she's possessed, but
24:38
Speaker 1: in this case, it was just it wasn't that, which
24:41
Speaker 1: was something that was pretty new to me. I know
24:44
Speaker 1: there's a lot we can talk about with the babaduke
24:46
Speaker 1: as well, but I'm trying to keep this very brief. Uh. So,
25:03
Speaker 1: there's this movie that came out I think it won
25:05
Speaker 1: a bunch of a words called You Won't Be Alone,
25:09
Speaker 1: and in it, one of the main character is abducted
25:12
Speaker 1: by a witch as a child and becomes a shape shifter,
25:18
Speaker 1: and it has a really interesting storyline about her kind
25:22
Speaker 1: of re entering the world and realizing that it's easier
25:29
Speaker 1: to be a man. Because this is set in like
25:32
Speaker 1: the eight hundreds or maybe earlier, it's not modern day
25:35
Speaker 1: at all, so kind of her because she she alway
25:40
Speaker 1: wasn't raised in the world right, so she injures it
25:43
Speaker 1: and it was like, why is it better to be
25:45
Speaker 1: a man? But she can shape shift into all these people,
25:48
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a body horror film, so it's
25:49
Speaker 1: got some pretty gruesome shape shifting scenes. But I thought
25:53
Speaker 1: that was interesting. Ready or Not, which we have talked about, uh,
25:58
Speaker 1: which I felt like the message was get married or
26:01
Speaker 1: either if there's money involved, they're gonna choose the money,
26:06
Speaker 1: They're not gonna choose you. You love Pells in comparison
26:10
Speaker 1: to his riches and Security and his family's riches Insecurity Resurrection,
26:16
Speaker 1: this was the movie I was trying to remember when
26:18
Speaker 1: we did those halfy hours. This one just came out.
26:23
Speaker 1: It's pretty it's pretty dark. It's a lot of trauma,
26:27
Speaker 1: and that one a lot of messaging around how no
26:30
Speaker 1: one believes you or or either you finally confide in
26:33
Speaker 1: somebody and they don't know what to do with it
26:34
Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, can I leave now? And jealous
26:39
Speaker 1: men who can't handle you having anyone else in your
26:43
Speaker 1: life and doing terrible things because of that. Oh yeah,
26:49
Speaker 1: you have to. Actually this was Both Pearl and Resurrection
26:51
Speaker 1: have like nine minute monologues from the main actors that
26:54
Speaker 1: are very, very impressive, and then I just saw Barbarian,
27:01
Speaker 1: which is also pretty disturbing, but it's got a whole
27:03
Speaker 1: thing about mothers, Oh my goodness, um, and monsters created
27:07
Speaker 1: by men and the monstras men that created them and
27:11
Speaker 1: then facing those monsters. Um, it's got a real justiy
27:17
Speaker 1: on Barbarians. Mothers. Mothers are in there. I honestly, I
27:24
Speaker 1: do not think I did because the movie takes a
27:28
Speaker 1: real turn. It takes a real turn. And then, just briefly,
27:33
Speaker 1: as I said, this is not new, and a lot
27:35
Speaker 1: of these movies, you can argue with me what you
27:37
Speaker 1: would put them in this mysterious category that may or
27:39
Speaker 1: may not exist of elevated horror, because I do think
27:42
Speaker 1: for a lot of horror movies you could find some
27:46
Speaker 1: societal messaging and then I just think there's kind of
27:49
Speaker 1: a difference in the intentionality of it. But you can
27:52
Speaker 1: fight with me that with that as well. But it
27:54
Speaker 1: is not new at all. I think this is just
27:56
Speaker 1: kind of a current wave that we're seeing. I just
27:58
Speaker 1: watched Furnace did It's Martyrs, which is a super disturbing
28:02
Speaker 1: film about punishing women, torturing them until they become martyrs.
28:08
Speaker 1: So that you can see what's on the other side.
28:11
Speaker 1: If there's anything on the other side Rosemary's Baby, yes,
28:16
Speaker 1: because that has Polansky involved. But it is like a
28:19
Speaker 1: whole thing about like like before around the time of
28:24
Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade and being gas lit and having control
28:30
Speaker 1: over your body, marital rape, Alien which we talked about,
28:37
Speaker 1: has the whole messaging around abortion and body autonomy and
28:44
Speaker 1: uh yeah, um, just pregnancy in general. And then you know,
28:48
Speaker 1: we're not really going into this now, even though I'd
28:50
Speaker 1: love to come back to it, but things like They're
28:51
Speaker 1: Ringing the Grudge have a lot about because those were
28:55
Speaker 1: coming out, you know, after the atomic bombs draw Japan,
29:00
Speaker 1: and it was this kind of fear of like, oh
29:03
Speaker 1: did this change are we? Is this impacting our bodies?
29:08
Speaker 1: And what is gonna happen like when we have children,
29:11
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? Um? And I read a pretty interesting
29:14
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I did just watch Satoko versus Kyoko, and
29:22
Speaker 1: you got some updates about that. I had a good time.
29:25
Speaker 1: I would not put an elevated horror. I had a
29:28
Speaker 1: good time. You know. That's the thing. It's like, it
29:32
Speaker 1: can you can have fun with these movies. It doesn't
29:34
Speaker 1: have to be that like anyway and also it's just
29:38
Speaker 1: to say this is not unique to the horror genre.
29:40
Speaker 1: I think when I was reading about this, I was like,
29:43
Speaker 1: I've heard this argument play out in pretty much every genre,
29:46
Speaker 1: if not every genre, So I don't I don't think
29:52
Speaker 1: this conversation is new, but I do think that there
29:58
Speaker 1: is something something happening that feels like right now that
30:03
Speaker 1: we're really wanting to see these movies and we've we've
30:07
Speaker 1: had other periods of it before, but right now, to me,
30:10
Speaker 1: it feels like there's just a lot of them coming
30:12
Speaker 1: out and that they're pretty popular. But yeah, that's just
30:16
Speaker 1: those are some of my thoughts. I know I did
30:18
Speaker 1: like a rapid fire through those movies that the end um.
30:21
Speaker 1: But hopefully some of you are listening you're like, oh,
30:24
Speaker 1: maybe I'll check that one out. Maybe I'll check that
30:25
Speaker 1: one out. But yes, that's Samantha said, look it up
30:27
Speaker 1: because I don't want to meet you a straight Well
30:33
Speaker 1: you'll hear more of that beef soon our upcoming fitness
30:38
Speaker 1: movie Friday. But in the meantime, as always, listeners, if
30:41
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30:45
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