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Phantasm V Ravager - Episode 15 · Xenomania

• 0:02
  intro: No, be afraid.
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  Be very afraid.
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  Kearns: Function with this installment is just the subtitle, Ravager.
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  Ryan : If
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  Kearns: else about the movie is great.
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  It fits.
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  Why does it fit?
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  Ryan : I feel like the title fits, let's see here.
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  Hold on.
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  We got one, two Lord of the Dead.
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  Oblivion is a solid title, but I
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan : ravager because the whole idea is like the world is ravaged, right?
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  Or you would
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  Kearns: Oh, that makes sense.
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  Ryan : in the dream world because in the supposed real world, we
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  could say, is it the real world?
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  Reggie is
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  Kearns: Hmm.
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  We're gonna get into that.
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  Ryan : I was gonna say we can just get into like the
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  whole synopsis real quick too.
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  If John, if you wanna take it away on this one.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: Right where we left off and it's
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  Kearns: Again.
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  Ryan : Yeah,
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  Kearns: Yeah, which was a nice surprise.
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  Jon: full on.
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  There's,
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  Kearns: was a nice surprise.
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  Jon: you know, little appearances by Mike and then eventually Jody, but
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  Kearns: Like the nursing home
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  Jon: it's the conclusion of Reggie, like
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  you
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  Ryan : whole, the whole, that's the whole series is Reggie, like
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan : the, in the first film, it's like, okay, it's about Mike, it's about Jodi.
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  But no, Reggie took over and you know what?
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  It fits.
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  Kearns: Do you think Cascarelli was going for that all along, or was it
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  just sort of like it, it flowed into Reggie from Mike and he ran with it.
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  Ryan : Ran.
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  Jon: that, yeah, I think it
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: Reggie.
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  Kearns: I've seen, like I know about doing that.
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  I hate plugging writing and stuff, but I've seen like characters
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  grow on their own and change the entire storyline because of them.
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  Rose being the one I'm thinking of Ryan and John, by the way.
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  But yeah, like that whole thing, but with, it feels super exactly on point for this
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  movie, uh, or for the end of the franchise too, that he decided to stop like denying
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  the truth that this is a Reggie story.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  And I think it sort of gets there in Phantasm too.
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  And I think it's more born out of the, that changing casting
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  to go from the original Mike to James the Gross and then back.
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  So it's sort of like left the opening for that one consistent
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  presence through the whole theory.
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  Kearns: All right, so for those of you guys who haven't figured it out
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  yet, by the way, this is our last podcast episode on the Phantasm series.
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  So it's Xenomania and we're finishing up Phantasm with, it doesn't officially
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  have a number in the title by the way.
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  So it's just Phantasm, ravager, almost like it's a standalone.
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  Ryan : I thought it had like a five, like the V five, right?
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  Kearns: Well, it depends on where you find the title.
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  No, you're, they probably weren't, 'cause certain places I found it I couldn't
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  find, I just said Phantasm Colon Ravager
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: places was And then Ravager was like a subtext in it too.
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  So it's, I don't know.
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  Which is real.
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  Which is very fitting.
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  Ryan : because it's a Phantasm.
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  Kearns: Yeah, exactly.
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  Jon: the timelines and dimensions in this one are probably the hardest to follow.
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  Kearns: Oh, I think there, I think it's the most stark, the, it's the
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  first time in the entire franchise where I figured out what he was
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  saying the whole time, like quickly.
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  And not to say that I didn't like that in the first films, but it was, um,
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  well, I mean we'll get into it, but the, that was a bit of um, uh, um,
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  burying the lead a little bit with the, not liking the title Ravager.
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  I liked it because demeanor and some other stuff I'll bring up
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  later on all cycles right into that.
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  Yeah, it's very in your face for mythology, but it also works well.
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  Um, but it still doesn't lead to a definitive conclusion about the tall man,
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  um, or what actually happens at the end.
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  And we'll go through the synopsis there, guys.
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  That further on will tell you when the heavy spoilers are coming once again.
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  'cause I don't wanna just ends.
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  Like, just ruin, any chance of you enjoying this.
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  But, um, the ending is somewhat open-ended.
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  You don't definitively know exactly what happens.
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  Somewhat.
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  John's John's doing it 'cause Yeah, you're, you're right.
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  Jon: I think there's a way to view the end where it's very concrete,
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: like maybe not getting to the end, but the end itself like how
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  this story all ties up in the end.
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  I don't think it's necessarily concrete.
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  Kearns: That's a perfect way to describe it.
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  And also infuriatingly vague, but it has to be because you can't be specific.
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  Right.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Kearns: so just to jump back to where you were in the synopsis, uh, it's, it
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  picks up right where the last movie left off again and it's, it's once again like
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  this, it's fifth verse, same as the first Reggie is chasing Angus scrim, AKA, the
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  tall man through yet another desert.
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  Um, but this one takes a bit of a wild turn, right Ryan?
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  Like it doesn't take long for it to go whoop.
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  Ryan : No, because it, it flips back to what is, um, I guess you can call it
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  the Phantasm realm, which I'll call it.
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  And then what is the real world where, sadly, Reggie, um, which John informed
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  me today, um, in the movie, the character has dementia and Mike keeps visiting him
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  and checking on him in this real world.
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  I'll just say that, like that, and John was saying like his, like a
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  couple years later, the dementia actually did happen to him.
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  So it's like.
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  ironic in a way.
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  It's a sad irony.
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  And it's like, I feel like watching the franchise from the beginning
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  to like the end, like I got a little emotional for Reggie.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan : see how the character grows and it's like, man, and he
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  could've gone some tail in this one.
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  Dawn did come down and she was like, Hey Reggie.
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  And he's sleeping on the couch.
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  And I'm like, man, he finally could have gotten some,
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  Kearns: Like real one Real tale, not Tall man tale,
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  Ryan : it wasn't, it wasn't the tall man this time.
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  Kearns: by the way.
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  I love that.
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  That version of the Tall Man shows up in this movie as well.
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  That was like, oh, what a slap in the face that your old girlfriend's back
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  Ryan : the lady in lavender.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Lady in lavender was like all morphed out and Ugh.
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  Ryan : I,
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  Kearns: But anyway.
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  Ryan : like
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  Kearns: Oh yeah.
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  Ryan : the film, like they did some callbacks from like, especially
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  the second one where he is like, I will give you your family back.
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  He's like, I don't want my family back.
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  I just, I want my friends.
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  Kearns: I wanna find a nice street woman.
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  Ryan : So
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  Jon: it's, it's
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  Kearns: Yeah, I want my friend.
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  Jon: did Phantasm two.
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  Did we know he had a daughter?
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  Kearns: I didn't,
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  Ryan : I thought they just said family.
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  It was just family.
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  Yeah.
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  Jon: in,
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  Kearns: you have to throw in a kid to spice you up.
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  Jon: your wife and daughter back or like,
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  Kearns: He's like, I'll take the daughter.
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  Jon: that was like stunning revelation.
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  Kearns: The daughter.
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  That never was.
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  Jon: I mean,
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  Kearns: Um, or was she?
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  Jon: some dimension she was.
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  Ryan : Ooh, okay.
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  Kearns: That's the thing.
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  So we, yeah, we can start into that topic right now.
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  That's a good segue into what's real, what's not.
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  Ryan : with a million tall
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  Kearns: So I.
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  Ryan : Angus wrote a million linear note, linear notes for the Beatles, which
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  is pretty cool in multiple dimensions.
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  Kearns: And multiple dimensions, but they do, they go into that rust planet
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  thing where it's almost looks like Mars.
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  And that's sort of his realm.
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  And then there's a multiverse sort of concept there.
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  What he was actually trying to do with that, I don't know if it was just
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  multiverse stuff that he was throwing together to make it make sense.
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  Um, great.
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  And like maybe those are all alternate worlds that have already been ravaged
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  Jon: what
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  Kearns: and he makes his way through each one.
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  Like a disease, that kind of thing.
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  Ryan : Yes.
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  And he's just destroying,
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan : it's like Galactus
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  Kearns: Okay.
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  Interdimensional
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  Ryan : its own
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  Kearns: plate.
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  Well, I was gonna say, there's a lot, like, you can tie
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  that into almost everything.
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  We could even tie it into the Dark Tower Series, Ryan, but we're not
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  gonna, we're, we're not gonna do that.
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  Ryan : Yeah.
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  Kearns: That's tonight.
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  But that's what happens in Roland's home world of gli where, um, the
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  territories really where it's, there's been, it's been ravaged already.
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  Um, but I don't think it takes away from the movie either, because there's
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  also the SubT or the sub, uh, sort of question where, what's real.
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  Is he actually making this up in his head?
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  'cause Reggie finds himself in the, in a scene soon thereafter in the hospital.
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  And he's got dementia like Ryan said earlier.
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  And Mike shows up who's now not the main character, which is sort of funny.
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  And he's like, you're just crazy.
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  And so we don't know if it's a trick by the tall man or if he's got dementia.
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  Jon: Reggie in a wheelchair, it's just so jarring.
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  It's,
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  Ryan : It is.
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  Jon: it's the opening.
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  You,
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: see that he's aged some in the years since that, since four came out, but when
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  in those scenes in the nursing home, he.
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  Ryan : Yeah, he does.
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  I feel like it's with the makeup.
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  It's with the makeup because when you
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  Kearns: there.
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  Ryan : the, the phantasm realm, hair is jet black.
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  But when you see him in the, uh, the nursing home, the hospital,
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  they put gray throughout his hair to make 'em look older.
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  So.
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  That's a nice little blend there.
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  Kearns: Angus scrim looks old as hell in this movie, by the way.
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  He still crushes it, but he looks old.
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  Jon: is really sick.
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  You know, he is
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  Ryan : yeah,
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  Jon: he is, he died
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  Kearns: he died.
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  Um,
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  Jon: of the release.
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  Kearns: yeah.
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  Ryan : he didn't look sick at least.
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  I mean, that could have been makeup too, but he, he did a pretty good job.
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  Jon: I think that was a heavy dose of ma makeup and a lot of like
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  Kearns: I think he just soldiered through it.
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  Yeah.
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  Jon: soft scheduling for him, for shoot, to just sort of keep him and functioning.
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  Ryan : Yeah, I can see that.
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  Kearns: What did he die of?
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  Ryan : That's a good question.
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  Kearns: Angus.
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  Jon: No,
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  Kearns: Because it was certainly like, it wasn't out of the blue,
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  Jon: had a series of
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  Kearns: um, based on this.
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  Ryan : I am trying to look it up real quick.
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  Yep.
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  Kearns: Interesting.
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  Ryan : It was a
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  Kearns: That means that he did a good job keeping it under wraps.
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  Good for them.
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  But, um, I mean,
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  Ryan : too soon.
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  Kearns: I mean, so we get that, that sort of vibe.
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  No, we get that sort of vibe.
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  Um, and then immediately though, he's transported to an alternate
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  world again from the nursing home.
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  And where does he end up after that?
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  Ryan : in the desert.
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  Um, he picks up, uh.
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  Her, her name.
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  Her name, first Dawn, and he's as, he's still
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  Kearns: yeah.
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  Ryan : He's like checking her out.
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  I'm like, dude, you're like, kudos to you.
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  You're like 70 years old, but damn man.
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  And she's like, nah, I'm not falling for this, Reggie.
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  He's like, oh, come on.
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  I'm gonna write you a song.
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  Gets to play his guitar.
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  Poor
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  Kearns: Reggie gonna reg
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  Ryan : have gotten some And he fell asleep.
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  Kearns: Yeah, that's fine though.
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  That, that very on the nose for Reggie.
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  Um, so her name is symbolic too.
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  I'm sure.
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  Dawn being a very, you know, meaningful thing.
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  Um, and she turns out to be like, and correct me if I'm
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  wrong, one of the only humans
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: she ever had a chance to sleep with.
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  Ryan : Nope,
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  Kearns: She wasn't ne yeah, she wasn't nefarious.
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  I dunno if I wasn't picking up, I was like, no, this is crazy.
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  This isn't a beat and switch for old Reg this time.
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  It's the first time that Reggie had a legitimate chance to have carnal
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  relations with a lady who was way out of his leg and he fell asleep.
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  That's the saddest part of this franchise.
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  The sad part of this franchise right there.
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  All reg.
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  Yeah, good point.
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  But um, yeah, so as we continue through the timeline of the e of
• 12:43
  the episode of the movie, that is, I guess an episode though, um,
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  as you travel through after that.
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  Um,
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  Ryan : her there
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  Kearns: he, where does he meet to meet her?
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  Ryan : barn after, um,
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  Kearns: pretty soon.
• 12:55
  Ryan : hears,
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  Kearns: Yeah, it's pretty soon.
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  Ryan : it out, and it's a pretty cool sphere scene.
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  The sphere's just drilling in her head as she's laying there.
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  Reggie freaking out.
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  You see the sphere go through the door.
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  He almost gets hit.
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  And I don't know what was going on with deme like I.
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  You didn't speak any English.
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  He's like, oh, you're the farmhand.
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  You know, help me.
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  And he thinks Reggie is a threat.
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  And that was another good death scene too, right in the throat.
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  is the fierce kick ass in this movie.
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  Jon: That one, that one has, you know, the slightest bit
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  of comedic element to it too.
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  know, de knocks the spear towards Reggie, and then Reggie like basically
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  accidentally knocks it right back at him.
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  Kearns: That's another very Reggie moment.
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  Um, demeanor's interesting because if Reggie is just as much of a threat
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  to demeanor, if demeanor represents what the God demeanor is, which
• 13:47
  is growth, fertility, everything, that the worlds that the tall man
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  as ravaged don't have anymore.
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  So is Reggie also just as much of a threat as the tall man?
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  Like what's going on there?
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  Ryan : wild
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  Kearns: We don't have to get into that.
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  That's a wild card question,
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  Ryan : damn.
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  Kearns: true.
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  So Reggie ended up killing it.
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  Ryan : The
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  Kearns: Not necessarily Angus.
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  Well I say Angus, but the tall man.
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  Um, and I mean when he's driving around in his gas guzzling car,
• 14:15
  which was stolen by the way.
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  We forgot to talk about that.
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  How the movie begins, right?
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  Where he's chasing his car thief and then the the spheres off him.
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  Jon: In the, in the center console and
• 14:28
  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: no, it's really in the.
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  Kearns: it's wild
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  Ryan : his underwear.
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  Kearns: old re but yeah, that's the, um,
• 14:39
  Ryan : Barracuda
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  Kearns: I can't believe at this point, I forgot what kind of car it is again.
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  I have dementia.
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  Yeah, the Barracuda, right?
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  The guy stole a 71 Barracuda.
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  I almost called it a charger when we would had to end up
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  Ryan : over.
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  Kearns: end the episode right There would've been it.
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  Um, you, so yeah.
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  Post to meter Reggie is then, um, well this is where we
• 15:01
  get into heavy spoilers right
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  Ryan : I
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  Kearns: after their to meter.
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  Ryan : the,
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  Kearns: Well, soon after.
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  Ryan : Well, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, they were minor.
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  I mean,
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  Kearns: Well, that's okay.
• 15:11
  Ryan : from Quin, Quin,
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  Kearns: That part is okay.
• 15:14
  Ryan : well, from my Disney Channel
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan : was, he was the father in Quince.
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  I was like, oh, yeah, he's dead.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  John and I were experimenting with substances and whatnot at that point,
• 15:27
  probably watching the same show.
• 15:28
  Just didn't know the title.
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  Ryan : There's five babies.
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  Kearns: Yeah, good quote.
• 15:36
  Yeah, that was you, you were there.
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  But, uh, so yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna be moving into sort of like overall
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  theories and major spoilers for the actual ending of the franchise and the movie now.
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  So if you guys don't want to do that and you wanna skip ahead to the top
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  five, just go to 10 minutes before.
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  Well, you know what, actually, I'm gonna put a collar on this dog go
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  to six minutes before the end of the episode because our top five go forever
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  and it drives me crazy, but I love it.
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  Jon: button.
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  They'll spend an hour and a half watching Ravager come back.
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  You can, you
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  Kearns: Uh,
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  Ryan : a good.
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  Jon: be giving Ravager
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  Kearns: fair point.
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  Jon: hour and a half like that.
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  one of the great things about, about this franchise is.
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  Short it concise.
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  Like you're, you don't get these bloated two, two and a half hour.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
• 16:37
  Jon: and a half story.
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  Here's an hour and a half
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  Kearns: Yep.
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  And that's a really good point.
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  Plus you guys can also watch it on, uh, your chiller subscription, which
• 16:46
  only costs 5 99 and, uh, shutter
• 16:50
  Jon: going
• 16:50
  Ryan : $2.
• 16:51
  Kearns: going up.
• 16:52
  Ryan : That's not bad.
• 16:53
  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: There's a second one that's competing with it too.
• 16:58
  Jon: I've
• 16:58
  Ryan : Scream
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  Kearns: There's like screams.
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  Jon: judging by what I've
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  Kearns: Yep.
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  Screen box apparently is blowing up.
• 17:03
  Jon: bees and stuff like that, like more
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  Ryan : Okay.
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  That's still cool.
• 17:10
  Jon: but
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  Kearns: Okay.
• 17:11
  Screw all them.
• 17:12
  Then.
• 17:13
  Where did you guys watch Ager?
• 17:15
  Jon: copies.
• 17:15
  Kearns: probably opened up his Blu-ray.
• 17:17
  Jon: All.
• 17:18
  Ryan : Roku.
• 17:18
  Jon: leads me to, this leads me to a
• 17:20
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 17:21
  Jon: though.
• 17:21
  If you have a physical copy of a movie, you put it in trailers
• 17:26
  Before the movie, you always and watch the trailers, you just them.
• 17:31
  Ryan : I skip 'em.
• 17:31
  It's like the VHS days.
• 17:33
  Kearns: I skipped him.
• 17:34
  Ryan : 10 minutes and then you finish your popcorn.
• 17:37
  The
• 17:37
  Kearns: It.
• 17:37
  Ryan : it's like, oh, I gotta get my candy now.
• 17:39
  Hold on, pause,
• 17:40
  Kearns: If it's a new, yeah, if it's new, I'll watch the trailers.
• 17:44
  But if it's from like 89 or something, or, well, I guess at this point 2016,
• 17:48
  Jon: watching
• 17:49
  Kearns: won't do it.
• 17:50
  Jon: the trailers that are on this disc are just amazing.
• 17:54
  You a train to boon trailer.
• 17:57
  Then
• 17:58
  Kearns: I bet.
• 17:59
  Jon: which I haven't seen yet,
• 18:00
  Kearns: Okay.
• 18:01
  Jon: is phenomenal.
• 18:03
  Kearns: Really?
• 18:05
  That's an interesting one that you haven't seen.
• 18:06
  'cause that is a popular one.
• 18:09
  Jon: and then the third trailer,
• 18:11
  Kearns: Uh, like,
• 18:13
  Jon: alumni snow too.
• 18:16
  Ryan : Oh yes.
• 18:17
  Jon: Yeah.
• 18:19
  it's,
• 18:19
  Ryan : Love
• 18:19
  Kearns: no way.
• 18:20
  Jon: of
• 18:20
  Kearns: Oh, really?
• 18:22
  Cool man.
• 18:23
  Jon: I love trailers,
• 18:24
  Kearns: what makes you better than us though, John.
• 18:25
  As you watch the trailers,
• 18:27
  Jon: only
• 18:28
  Kearns: shows your love, your love of the game
• 18:30
  Jon: or like older trailers.
• 18:33
  'cause like trailer.
• 18:35
  Yeah.
• 18:36
  They, I, I don't need to see most of
• 18:37
  Kearns: because new trailers just tell you the movie
• 18:39
  Jon: done with the trailer, they've shown me everything.
• 18:42
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 18:42
  The art of making a quality trailer that that bread crumbs
• 18:46
  you into a film is gone almost.
• 18:49
  There's been a couple.
• 18:50
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 18:52
  Yeah.
• 18:53
  Kearns: Yeah, it's true.
• 18:54
  Ryan : We lost that guy.
• 18:55
  Kearns: Maybe that's where we went left in the world.
• 18:58
  Like as soon as he vanished, the movie phone guy is also gone.
• 19:01
  He was on the radio for a while, but I haven't heard movie
• 19:03
  phone guy voice in a while.
• 19:04
  Ryan : John mentioned it before.
• 19:05
  This is the first Phantasm that's not directed by Don Cascarelli.
• 19:10
  directed by a gentleman named David Hartman, and it's also written by David
• 19:15
  Hartman, along with Don Cascarelli.
• 19:17
  So I feel like the writing, if it was only Don, it would've definitely,
• 19:24
  there would've been more like Reggie, trailing females and like
• 19:29
  more shotgun action and all that.
• 19:32
  But I feel like David Hartman gave it more, more of a heart and it shows.
• 19:40
  Jon: So yeah, the
• 19:40
  Kearns: This is, yeah.
• 19:42
  Jon: with a web series that Cascarelli Hartman, Reggie and Reggie's wife did,
• 19:51
  Ryan : Okay.
• 19:52
  Jon: served as cry out for Hartman, like glitzy, if you can do this.
• 19:58
  And they just like filmed of short videos at house and some of that winds up
• 20:05
  Ryan : Okay.
• 20:05
  Jon: incorporated into this.
• 20:07
  But that's, that's really the impetus.
• 20:12
  Ryan : Plus Avery's script.
• 20:13
  Right.
• 20:15
  Jon: A little bit, bit.
• 20:16
  It's interesting because I sort of expected to see an
• 20:20
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 20:20
  Jon: writing credit, but there's not.
• 20:23
  It's just the two of them.
• 20:25
  Ryan : Well, did you notice?
• 20:29
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:30
  Kearns: So they just cherry picked a little bit of the overall
• 20:32
  concept of Avery's script and, and used that when they made this.
• 20:36
  Yeah.
• 20:37
  We'll talk about that in a little bit,
• 20:38
  Jon: The
• 20:39
  Kearns: for everybody who remembers the Avery script was the big budget script.
• 20:42
  Jon: of the planet.
• 20:47
  I mean, he may have at
• 20:48
  Kearns: Well, uh,
• 20:51
  Jon: but,
• 20:51
  Kearns: have happened in this one.
• 20:53
  Jon: I, I think
• 20:54
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 20:55
  Jon: thing to throw out about Hartman also is his entire directing career,
• 21:03
  aside from like a few shorts and stuff here and there is animated.
• 21:08
  Ryan : Okay,
• 21:10
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 21:12
  Jon: He's an
• 21:12
  Kearns: That's cool.
• 21:13
  I like that very much.
• 21:16
  Jon: director, and on top of that,
• 21:19
  Ryan : and what did he do?
• 21:20
  Jon: illustrator.
• 21:21
  Kearns: All right.
• 21:22
  What did he what?
• 21:23
  Jon: but I, I think I stumbled on some other stuff.
• 21:25
  But one of them is Winnie.
• 21:26
  Kearns: Shut up.
• 21:28
  Jon: He's also
• 21:28
  Kearns: Okay.
• 21:29
  Ryan : Okay.
• 21:29
  Jon: Transform Transformers one on his
• 21:32
  Kearns: Oh god.
• 21:33
  That's huge though because that movie Special Effects were beyond the time
• 21:38
  Jon: the,
• 21:38
  Kearns: Michael Bay,
• 21:39
  Jon: animated
• 21:40
  Kearns: like the animated movie or like the Michael Bay Transformers movie.
• 21:44
  Jon: no, it was, I think it was later than
• 21:46
  Kearns: That's pretty sick too though.
• 21:48
  'cause Yeah, I was gonna say, if it's one I'm thinking of
• 21:52
  Jon: he collaborated,
• 21:53
  Kearns: when the New era of Transformers was out.
• 21:56
  Jon: Paselli
• 21:56
  Kearns: guy's young.
• 21:57
  I think
• 21:58
  Jon: um, John dies at the end on Bubba, and then on.
• 22:04
  Ryan : so they had a relationship.
• 22:06
  Jon: Yeah.
• 22:07
  It's not, it's not like he just picked Yeah, he, he's not,
• 22:11
  Kearns: he's had his fingers in some pretty sweet pots.
• 22:14
  Jon: out of the blue randomly to do this.
• 22:16
  And Hartman's also, I'm gonna plug somebody else's website in this.
• 22:22
  Go to sideshow monkey.com.
• 22:24
  That's David Hartman's Horror Illustrator
• 22:29
  Ryan : Okay.
• 22:29
  Jon: he's done, I was looking at it, it's, it's recognizable artwork for Rob Zombie.
• 22:35
  Like some of those things that some of those recognizable
• 22:39
  Rob Zombie images are hits.
• 22:43
  Yeah.
• 22:44
  Ryan : L Super bisto.
• 22:46
  Kearns: Cool man.
• 22:48
  I remember El Super Beasto, man.
• 22:50
  Great reference.
• 22:51
  I forgot about that.
• 22:52
  We went to one of Kim's friend's houses.
• 22:54
  Uh, shout out to Jillian and Tom and, uh, sat down.
• 22:58
  I had no idea what I was in for and he was like, you wanna watch something?
• 23:01
  That was literally how it went down.
• 23:02
  And we just sat down.
• 23:03
  I think I had like a Miller Light and we were just watching
• 23:06
  El Super Bisto for two hours.
• 23:08
  It was wild.
• 23:11
  Ryan : It's, it's a whole other level of world, like, yes.
• 23:17
  Kearns: that and Metalocalypse and stuff, those were great.
• 23:19
  Great For like altered evenings.
• 23:22
  It was sad when you saw Metal ACOs at three 30 though.
• 23:25
  Yeah.
• 23:28
  Awaken.
• 23:28
  Awaken.
• 23:29
  That was one of my favorites too.
• 23:32
  They had a, they had an album and whatnot too that correlated
• 23:35
  with the show, I think.
• 23:36
  Jon: Brandon Small.
• 23:37
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Ryan : That's cool.
• 23:39
  Jon: you, and
• 23:41
  Kearns: Wow, that's pretty cool.
• 23:43
  Jon: Metal Geek Gym here, but if you know metal well enough, you
• 23:48
  Kearns: Just
• 23:48
  Jon: out the dudes in the metal world
• 23:50
  Kearns: do it.
• 23:51
  Jon: are modeled after.
• 23:53
  Ryan : There's definitely a.
• 23:54
  Jon: Oh, definitely.
• 23:56
  Oh
• 23:57
  Kearns: Oh yeah.
• 23:58
  Jon: explosion is, uh, I gotta go back and, and, and look it,
• 24:02
  uh, look it for them again.
• 24:04
  But like, they're, um, pickles is almost definitely Gene Hoagland who was in, was
• 24:10
  the drummer for almost at some point.
• 24:14
  He like all those like second level thrash bands like Exodus.
• 24:20
  He was, he's the drum for them.
• 24:22
  He, he drummed for everybody.
• 24:24
  And then, you know, pokey and the guy whose name I can't remember.
• 24:31
  clearly like some Swedish guys
• 24:37
  clearly, but, but that's a topic for another day.
• 24:41
  I'll go,
• 24:42
  Kearns: Interesting.
• 24:44
  Jon: avenues and we
• 24:45
  Ryan : It's a nice,
• 24:46
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 24:47
  We'll do a special episode.
• 24:48
  Ryan : great heavy metal musicians.
• 24:51
  watch
• 24:52
  Kearns: We can do live watches.
• 24:58
  So for the viewership, um, I'm way more new metal.
• 25:02
  I'm way more new metal.
• 25:04
  Uh, John is a purist with heavy metal.
• 25:07
  You look, John listens to a lot of different music.
• 25:09
  We talk about a ton of music.
• 25:10
  But John is a metalhead for chore in the purest possible.
• 25:14
  Yeah.
• 25:14
  Way.
• 25:15
  Ryan : disco.
• 25:16
  Kearns: what would you describe yourself as with regard to music?
• 25:18
  Ryan : Oh,
• 25:18
  Kearns: think you're a bit of a slut.
• 25:20
  Ryan : I'm a slut.
• 25:21
  Kearns: Yep.
• 25:21
  Ryan : I listen
• 25:22
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Ryan : Um,
• 25:23
  Kearns: a slut.
• 25:23
  You listen to like everything, don't you?
• 25:25
  Ryan : But first thing I was introduced to was heavy metal
• 25:29
  Metallica, uh, black album.
• 25:32
  That was the, my first, like
• 25:35
  Kearns: Oh, yeah.
• 25:36
  But now if you say that to a metal head that Metallica is heavy
• 25:39
  metal, they're gonna be like,
• 25:41
  Jon: up until 91 Metallica's a metal
• 25:44
  Kearns: yeah,
• 25:45
  Jon: and then they
• 25:46
  Kearns: I don't like to put
• 25:47
  Jon: a hard rock band.
• 25:49
  Kearns: Yeah, exactly.
• 25:52
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Ryan : Load was more hard.
• 25:53
  Rock.
• 25:53
  Jon: even
• 25:54
  Kearns: fair.
• 25:55
  Jon: starts that transition.
• 25:58
  Ryan : But it's slow.
• 25:59
  'cause you still have that thrash in it.
• 26:01
  But then you can hear like the rums of the guitar being more rock.
• 26:05
  But it's like mega death.
• 26:06
  I notice.
• 26:09
  Jon: when, when you pop, nothing else matters.
• 26:11
  On an album
• 26:12
  Kearns: Negative too.
• 26:18
  A hundred percent.
• 26:20
  So by the way, the, the, just to give you an idea of nothing else matters.
• 26:24
  The surgical team that did my surgery, they had nothing else matters going
• 26:30
  on the, on the TV in the, in the or.
• 26:35
  Well, that's what I, I, they asked me if I wanted to change the music,
• 26:38
  and my first response was, I want you guys to listen to whatever the
• 26:41
  hell makes you work at your best.
• 26:43
  And like the plastic surgeon that was there started laughing.
• 26:47
  And then, um, I was like, no, but in hon in all honesty, I don't think there's
• 26:50
  any better song you could have on right now than nothing else mattered.
• 26:54
  And like I, I think it was probably a minute and a half later I was
• 26:57
  out because they put you down.
• 26:59
  But
• 27:00
  that would've been in much different vibe.
• 27:02
  I would've come out with like six arms and have,
• 27:06
  Jon: The you
• 27:06
  Kearns: I would've had like two, I would've been all Phantasm out.
• 27:19
  Um, I still haven't settled on a title yet, but I came up with a story I
• 27:22
  wrote with what would be worse than dying, while going under for surgery.
• 27:25
  I. They put you down.
• 27:27
  You don't know, you're just gone.
• 27:29
  So I was like, that's not terrible, that's not a terrible fate.
• 27:31
  What would be worse?
• 27:32
  And I wrote a story about waking up in an alternate reality and, and
• 27:36
  then like, it's all fucked up and dystopian and I'm traveling home.
• 27:40
  It's gonna come out in the collection.
• 27:41
  But yeah, that was inspired by like, oh shit, that would suck.
• 27:45
  Okay, we'll do that instead.
• 27:46
  Jon: the title
• 27:47
  Kearns: And he comes out, he goes under for a surgery for his like arm or
• 27:50
  something, but he comes out with a robot arm, which would should be the title.
• 27:57
  Oh shit.
• 27:58
  Uh, you know what, I'm gonna start writing.
• 27:59
  Oh shit.
• 28:00
  That would suck right after this comes out in May.
• 28:05
  John, if it makes any money, you're entitled to some of it.
• 28:08
  Get a lawyer.
• 28:11
  Oh shit.
• 28:12
  That'll suck.
• 28:13
  Not that wood.
• 28:13
  That'll suck.
• 28:14
  I wanna make sure it's titled correctly,
• 28:18
  John.
• 28:19
  Alright.
• 28:21
  But, um, we gotta get back to the movie.
• 28:23
  But that was a, that was probably my favorite side tangent.
• 28:27
  Like ever.
• 28:29
  We went very far in very different ways.
• 28:31
  Um, so we're backward towards the end of the movie.
• 28:34
  The final confrontation with, with Angus or, uh, sorry.
• 28:38
  Again, the tall man and Reggie, um, begins and then what is their
• 28:44
  final confrontation Fellows?
• 28:46
  Ryan : I wanna talk about real quick, the giant spheres.
• 28:49
  No, no, you're good.
• 28:50
  I, I was gonna say like, the spheres,
• 28:51
  Kearns: Okay.
• 28:52
  My bad.
• 28:53
  Ryan : are, are
• 28:54
  Kearns: Oh.
• 28:55
  Ryan : off, you have a huge as giant sphere and like a few scenes destroying
• 28:59
  buildings like Godzilla style.
• 29:02
  It's it, and it's not like, you can tell it's like cheesy CGI,
• 29:08
  but it works for this movie.
• 29:10
  like, okay, this flows nicely.
• 29:12
  Especially when Reggie's looking at it.
• 29:14
  I was waiting for like a drill to come out, to go after him.
• 29:18
  'cause I'd be like, oh, he's, he's like, he, he, he lost his chance to ha to like.
• 29:26
  fucked and now he is gonna get fucked right now.
• 29:28
  And I was waiting for it and I was like, all right, this would be a
• 29:30
  nice little irony scene, funny scene.
• 29:31
  And then he gets pulled back.
• 29:33
  But there was one where it came out like as a spike and it goes into one
• 29:40
  of the guys' heads and it explodes.
• 29:42
  I thought that was, that is my number one sphere kill of all the films.
• 29:47
  was just, it was just cool.
• 29:48
  Kearns: Very scanners of them head exploding.
• 29:52
  Yeah,
• 29:55
  Jon: I wanna
• 29:55
  Kearns: so giant Kaiju spheres,
• 29:57
  Jon: character in this whole movie, the hospital.
• 30:03
  Kearns: the hospital's a character.
• 30:04
  Ryan : the Twilight Zone gentlemen.
• 30:06
  Jon: the hospital themes are filmed at the Linda Vista Community Hospital,
• 30:10
  which if you're sharp-eyed enough, is not also used in Day of the Dead.
• 30:15
  Two contagion, Pearl Harbor end of days,
• 30:19
  Ryan : Okay.
• 30:21
  Okay.
• 30:21
  Okay.
• 30:21
  Jon: er some episodes of er, some episodes of Buffy
• 30:25
  Kearns: That's the one in end of it is.
• 30:28
  Ryan : That is a whole mixture.
• 30:30
  Like we got comedy, horror, drama,
• 30:32
  Kearns: pretty cool.
• 30:34
  Jon: And, and it's also been long believed to be haunted, so you get a whole bunch of
• 30:39
  Kearns: That is pretty cool.
• 30:41
  Jon: going there.
• 30:42
  Ryan : that's cool.
• 30:43
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:45
  Kearns: That's pretty cool too.
• 30:46
  Yeah.
• 30:47
  You would imagine once you cording off the perfect hospital
• 30:50
  for filming that everybody just wants to use that same hospital.
• 30:53
  Ryan : It's.
• 30:54
  Jon: if you're doing something
• 30:55
  Kearns: Right?
• 30:55
  Jon: a
• 30:56
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 30:56
  What you gonna do to go to Fiji?
• 31:01
  Just adds to the, you should actually be scared.
• 31:04
  Don't act scared.
• 31:05
  Be scared.
• 31:06
  Okay.
• 31:07
  Ryan : buddy of mine went up to a HO
• 31:09
  Kearns: In your neck of the woods.
• 31:10
  Ryan : And you know, there is a presence in some of these spaces.
• 31:15
  I'm just gonna say that there is a presence.
• 31:19
  I'm not gonna get into details, but.
• 31:23
  Jon: there's a presence in some
• 31:24
  Kearns: Sometimes I think it's just gas.
• 31:27
  Jon: If you find the right spots in hospitals, they're pretty freaking creepy.
• 31:32
  Kearns: That's definitely gas.
• 31:33
  Ryan : to, oh, hospitals in general are
• 31:36
  Kearns: hospitals in
• 31:37
  Ryan : but this
• 31:37
  Kearns: general.
• 31:38
  Ryan : we were just looking for a place to shoot like a short film.
• 31:41
  And the history was, it was a mental hospital, but it also, um, it had,
• 31:46
  uh, con convicted killers in there.
• 31:48
  And what they would do is 'em underground to another facility
• 31:53
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 31:54
  Ryan : to, um, basically kill 'em by electrocution electric chair.
• 31:59
  So it's like very, like, it was like very somber up there,
• 32:03
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 32:04
  Ryan : but it was like, uh, it was like a movie man.
• 32:08
  Like the storms were coming in, and I'm not even exaggerating.
• 32:11
  Storms were coming in, we're like, we gotta leave.
• 32:13
  And it was just like the doors to like the loading base just
• 32:17
  started shaking all at one shot.
• 32:19
  Now the building also was closed because it's asbestos
• 32:23
  run in there, no way to get in.
• 32:27
  And all these doors are like baking at one time with no wind.
• 32:33
  Yeah.
• 32:35
  Yeah.
• 32:35
  We, we got the hell out of there.
• 32:36
  I'm not even, we we got that hell out of there.
• 32:39
  Kearns: I would too.
• 32:41
  Um, on the topic of hospitals themselves being creepy or, uh,
• 32:46
  whatever, I think any place laden down with despair or anguish pulls.
• 32:51
  We may not understand why or how or whatever, but it pulls in that energy
• 32:56
  so that you feel there's a vibe.
• 32:58
  There's a feeling it's like very matrixy too, and the way you think about it,
• 33:02
  um, that's sort of like epicenter.
• 33:05
  But yeah, there's some sort of weird gravity to that sort of
• 33:09
  place and that's why hospitals suck
• 33:12
  Ryan : I.
• 33:13
  Kearns: the end.
• 33:14
  This hospital sucks so much.
• 33:15
  People wanna put it in movies.
• 33:17
  Ryan : It was on er.
• 33:19
  It's on er.
• 33:20
  Kearns: And Reggie was there.
• 33:23
  Ryan : He,
• 33:24
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 33:25
  So was George Clooney.
• 33:28
  I like George Clooney.
• 33:31
  He's fun.
• 33:33
  I'm just being a cloud at this point.
• 33:35
  But, so Reggie was in the hospital that was famous for being in a lot of movies.
• 33:39
  And then, um, he escaped Giant Balls of Death, um, which probably would've been
• 33:45
  a good name for the next fans as a movie.
• 33:47
  And then Mike is, what is he Mike doing in the other realm?
• 33:50
  He's not gaslighting him anymore.
• 33:51
  Jon: like he's the head a re, uh, tall man resistance movement.
• 33:56
  Yes.
• 33:57
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 33:57
  Jon: Very
• 33:58
  Kearns: sort of John Connor figure, right?
• 34:04
  There's a lot of, there's a lot of likes from this, from this and, uh, in this
• 34:09
  script, but I still don't hate on it.
• 34:13
  I don't mind borrowing, um, especially when there's like a real main
• 34:17
  course that's theirs and theirs alone and this feels like that.
• 34:21
  Um, so he sees Mike and then what does Reggie do with the resistance group
• 34:25
  Ryan : like it keeps because,
• 34:27
  Jon: he,
• 34:28
  Ryan : well, it's
• 34:29
  Kearns: Leaves?
• 34:30
  Doesn't he leave?
• 34:32
  Jon: he's almost
• 34:33
  Kearns: leaves.
• 34:35
  Ryan : Yes.
• 34:35
  Jon: he, it's like so used to fighting this by himself that
• 34:41
  now that he has allies, almost, not useless, but just lost.
• 34:47
  Like, this is,
• 34:49
  Ryan : think it has?
• 34:49
  Jon: that they've been carrying on and he's not, wasn't a part
• 34:52
  Kearns: I mean, that fits.
• 34:54
  Ryan : Do you think it has an effect?
• 34:55
  Because he keeps going between worlds.
• 34:57
  That confusion has a point for it because like he just keeps switching
• 35:02
  back and forth and he's like, one minute it's like the nurse is grabbing him.
• 35:05
  Then the second, it's a lurker.
• 35:08
  I feel like you can, like, that's part of that script, like to lead to the
• 35:12
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 35:13
  Ryan : But I agree too that he's been alone the entire time.
• 35:18
  And this is, this is his swan song.
• 35:21
  This is Reggie Swan song.
• 35:22
  This is his movie.
• 35:24
  Jon: yeah.
• 35:24
  I mean, really for three movies, Reggie's been solo hunting The Tall Man,
• 35:30
  Ryan : Yep.
• 35:33
  Jon: which all, I mean, it also the, this resistance movement
• 35:37
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 35:37
  Jon: to
• 35:37
  Kearns: exactly.
• 35:38
  Jon: favorite side character in the whole series, our little French chunks.
• 35:49
  Kearns: Oh, chunk.
• 35:52
  Which is possibly another homage, but, but yeah, just a name.
• 35:57
  Anyway.
• 35:58
  Jon: partially because Cascarelli felt bad for making dwarves look
• 36:03
  like villains for four whole movies.
• 36:08
  Ryan : That was his way to apologize.
• 36:10
  Kearns: Oh, that's great.
• 36:13
  So he had a Willow character.
• 36:16
  Yeah.
• 36:17
  That's amazing.
• 36:18
  All right.
• 36:18
  That's a fair thing to feel guilt about though.
• 36:21
  But then again, George R. Martin doesn't give a shit.
• 36:23
  Well, no.
• 36:23
  He made te in like the greatest hero of the aim of the Thrones.
• 36:26
  Nevermind.
• 36:27
  Jon: same actor be one of the, the lurkers during Ravager.
• 36:32
  he pops up early in the movie, in the, in the lurker costume too.
• 36:37
  Kearns: Right.
• 36:37
  Ryan : the one who, he's the first L who gets shot, right?
• 36:42
  Yeah.
• 36:45
  Kearns: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 36:46
  Ryan : He
• 36:46
  Kearns: it's a running joke.
• 36:47
  Ryan : too, with the, well, we could talk about it.
• 36:49
  We said spoilers the grenade scene.
• 36:51
  That was an awesome scene.
• 36:52
  I wasn't seeing that for the first time.
• 36:55
  And he's just like, Hey.
• 36:56
  And he just runs up like suicide, like bomber style just like grabs him and just,
• 37:02
  it's like, what the hell is going on?
• 37:04
  You know what I mean?
• 37:06
  Like, this guy is crazy.
• 37:07
  And uh, I don't know if we're gonna cover that now, but it was
• 37:12
  just, that was just a crazy scene.
• 37:14
  And the aftermath.
• 37:16
  I, well, he sur
• 37:19
  Kearns: We might as well.
• 37:20
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:20
  Yeah.
• 37:21
  Kearns: There's not much between where we were and where that is.
• 37:24
  Ryan : bombing.
• 37:25
  He was gonna sacrifice his life.
• 37:26
  And guess who's on the other end?
• 37:29
  Uh, Reggie's lost love.
• 37:32
  but no nunchucks.
• 37:33
  I was disappointed.
• 37:35
  Jon: In the only, in the only post credit
• 37:39
  Kearns: No
• 37:39
  Jon: the
• 37:39
  Kearns: nunchucks for Rocky.
• 37:40
  Another callback.
• 37:42
  So, which, so the listeners may not realize what you guys just did though.
• 37:47
  Did you just say the end of the movie and then the post credit and,
• 37:52
  Jon: we've
• 37:52
  Kearns: and we just haven't gone over what it all means yet, but we just
• 37:55
  basically detailed the end of the film.
• 37:58
  Jon: Yeah, yeah,
• 38:00
  Kearns: we didn't talk about Yeah, I was gonna say we, we jumped
• 38:03
  like right to a small snippet.
• 38:04
  So let's, let's explain it all to, to them real quick.
• 38:09
  Jon: So
• 38:10
  Kearns: I mean, they're gonna feel Phantasm.
• 38:12
  All right.
• 38:13
  Be like, what the hell did he, because he's like, yeah.
• 38:15
  The post credit team where Nick Fury shows up, they're like, what the fuck?
• 38:18
  Jon: we get, we get to the end
• 38:21
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 38:22
  Reggie, we need you.
• 38:25
  Jon: of the movie and of reg.
• 38:28
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 38:34
  Jon: It's sort of deeper because you know of his real life struggles now.
• 38:42
  But you know, it's really a gut punch to see that theme at the end where Reggie
• 38:51
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 38:52
  Jon: dying in what amounts to the realest the dimensions he's been in,
• 38:57
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 38:58
  Jon: you know,
• 38:58
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 38:59
  Jon: with
• 39:00
  Kearns: that's a, that's a great way to put it.
• 39:02
  By the way,
• 39:02
  Jon: Yeah, yeah,
• 39:04
  Kearns: he's not in some fake, weird scatter land.
• 39:07
  He's, yeah.
• 39:08
  He's in reality, or at least to, to him.
• 39:11
  Jon: that moment is so, so emotional and then you're like sort of transported
• 39:17
  to Reggie in the back of the, with a very much alive, Mike and Jodi that,
• 39:25
  I don't know, like you could almost.
• 39:28
  You'd almost make the case that
• 39:31
  that's Reggie's afterlife.
• 39:34
  Now that Reggie's just gone.
• 39:37
  Because if you think about it, Reggie's really the only one who
• 39:43
  seems to have existed solely as one.
• 39:47
  Reggie.
• 39:49
  Ryan : Yes.
• 39:49
  Jon: you go to these other dimensions, especially in Ravager,
• 39:53
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 39:54
  Jon: Mike, real world Mike, who doesn't, starts out not knowing anything about
• 40:01
  the tall man, and then there's Jody who's been a sphere, who's been dead, who's
• 40:06
  been whatever apparition he becomes.
• 40:09
  He's been a sphere like man, Reggie's always just been this one real ish world.
• 40:17
  Reggie, you don't meet other, other Reggie?
• 40:22
  Ryan : I think there's
• 40:23
  Kearns: Right
• 40:24
  Ryan : who's just been crossing dimensions.
• 40:28
  Yes.
• 40:29
  Kearns: one Reggie to rule them all.
• 40:32
  Something like that.
• 40:33
  But
• 40:33
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 40:34
  Kearns: no, it's true.
• 40:34
  It's not main character syndrome either.
• 40:36
  I think it's by design.
• 40:38
  Um, and that could lead you to back down the path of this is dementia and it's all
• 40:42
  comes back to Reggie just being crazy.
• 40:44
  Or it could bring you back down the path of like, it's Reggie's Phantasm.
• 40:50
  Jon: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Kearns: But I guess that's not so different than the
• 40:52
  dementia argument either.
• 40:54
  I don't like going down that path.
• 40:56
  I don't like that ending for him that it was just a fever
• 40:58
  dream of a man losing his mind.
• 41:01
  Uh, also don't like that so much because that's what's actively
• 41:04
  happening to the actor right now in his real life, which sucks.
• 41:07
  Jon: this
• 41:08
  Kearns: it's almost like prophetic.
• 41:09
  Jon: where that ending him dying in the bed with the two of them around him of,
• 41:19
  know, the closure and almost the joy that the three of them are still together.
• 41:25
  There's
• 41:25
  Ryan : yeah.
• 41:27
  Jon: dead fear, Jody and
• 41:29
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Jon: is at that point.
• 41:32
  Like it's the real world friendship.
• 41:37
  Ryan : I like that because that's, that was what Phantasm
• 41:41
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 41:42
  Ryan : was like a whole bunch of friends.
• 41:43
  Making a, a movie and Yeah, in the backyard and having
• 41:48
  Kearns: You brought it back.
• 41:49
  Yeah.
• 41:49
  Ryan : it.
• 41:49
  And it created like this, this franchise, which was very underrated.
• 41:55
  was, it's a very underrated horror franchise.
• 41:58
  And yes, people, it's, can have, it's a specific taste, but the first one
• 42:03
  I feel like draws to everyone that's, it's a definite because it's that
• 42:08
  mysteriousness, it gives, and then you're attracted to the further sequels.
• 42:12
  But you gotta realize the budgets, they fluctuate.
• 42:17
  And you know, some are higher than others.
• 42:20
  And you see it did you see, did you know, did you find out how much this
• 42:25
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 42:25
  Ryan : John?
• 42:26
  Jon: I didn't look for it.
• 42:27
  No, it's not.
• 42:29
  Not a lot especially, and it's probably very difficult to
• 42:33
  accurately calculate just based on, it's filmed over seven years.
• 42:39
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 42:40
  Kearns: Yeah, that's wild too.
• 42:42
  How much do you think the giant sphere, uh, CGI sphere stuff costs?
• 42:46
  Like the LOLs level of CGI that was in
• 42:51
  Jon: It
• 42:51
  Kearns: that scene?
• 42:52
  It's like $14.
• 42:53
  Jon: did it.
• 42:55
  Right.
• 42:55
  If they done it in the
• 42:57
  Kearns: I, yeah,
• 42:57
  Jon: of that, it's probably really expensive.
• 42:59
  But if they did it like on towards 2013, it's probably not much.
• 43:05
  Ryan : feel like they did the war scenes from, like, looking at it,
• 43:07
  Kearns: that's a fair point.
• 43:08
  Like,
• 43:08
  Ryan : younger during like the war scenes and then during the hospital
• 43:12
  scenes they looked much older.
• 43:14
  I, I mean, that's how it, like,
• 43:17
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 43:17
  Ryan : about it now, like I feel like Mike had a little more
• 43:20
  hair, a little more on the top.
• 43:24
  I'm talking to the expert right here.
• 43:26
  Kearns: Maybe
• 43:27
  Ryan : it's a little little to the, to the left, right there, Mike.
• 43:31
  All right.
• 43:32
  Kearns: that's possible though.
• 43:33
  That is possible that that's how they ended up shaking out with the filming, but
• 43:38
  Ryan : show that different
• 43:39
  Kearns: I don't know.
• 43:40
  Ryan : that, which, uh, I, I don't know.
• 43:43
  I, you can think about it too as like a matrix moment, like
• 43:46
  when, uh, spoiler alert on the matrix when Neo gets pulled out.
• 43:51
  You can see it like that.
• 43:52
  Like him dying in that hospital bed isn't really him dying, it's him getting pulled
• 43:59
  out that dimension to go to another dimension where he's more comfortable in
• 44:04
  Jon: Yeah.
• 44:04
  Ryan : and he's well aware of.
• 44:06
  Jon: if Yeah,
• 44:09
  Kearns: one who's super uncomfortable in which is the tall man as well.
• 44:12
  Jon: deeply spiritual, he's pulled outta that world and goes to heaven
• 44:16
  because heaven for Reggie would be in heaven for, but heaven for Reggie would
• 44:22
  be in that cuda with Jodi and Mike.
• 44:25
  would be heaven for Reggie.
• 44:28
  Get that, get that light shining
• 44:31
  Kearns: And
• 44:32
  Jon: in.
• 44:32
  Kearns: possibly dawn.
• 44:35
  Jon: It's a very emotional, very, like I've,
• 44:39
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 44:39
  Jon: the
• 44:39
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 44:40
  Jon: twice record this now, and like each time I sort of walked away,
• 44:45
  like the first time it was just, God.
• 44:47
  That's sad.
• 44:49
  But then I watched it again because it sort of started to eat in into my brain
• 44:53
  that another level to that that's not said because that I couldn't, I can't
• 44:59
  really get behind Cascarelli ending it.
• 45:02
  Just that down.
• 45:05
  Kearns: Yeah, exactly.
• 45:07
  And it, it's all about just like the rest of the movie, it's all about perspective.
• 45:10
  You can see it as sad, oh, Reggie died, that sucks.
• 45:14
  You can see it as that spiritual sort of rebirth.
• 45:19
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:19
  Kearns: to be religious either.
• 45:20
  You can make it scientific.
• 45:21
  It is a multiverse film.
• 45:23
  There's multiple dimensions.
• 45:25
  He could end up in another one.
• 45:26
  Um, the post credit scene is what you're talking about, right?
• 45:30
  You're Yeah.
• 45:31
  That's what you're specifically talking about.
• 45:33
  Yeah.
• 45:34
  So the fact that he made that the post credit scene though
• 45:37
  adds extra emphasis to it.
• 45:39
  I think it makes it so it has to mean that that's his heaven, essentially.
• 45:44
  That's what he always wanted.
• 45:45
  And maybe that's him.
• 45:46
  Maybe he's just jumping like freaking quantum leap just hopping
• 45:50
  into different, different realms.
• 45:51
  Fighting
• 45:52
  Jon: I
• 45:52
  Kearns: the tall man for all eternity.
• 45:53
  'cause that was kind of Reggie's thing.
• 45:56
  Jon: in this, in Ravager.
• 45:58
  What was important to Reggie?
• 46:00
  The tall man's willing to give him his family.
• 46:03
  No,
• 46:03
  Ryan : Yep.
• 46:03
  Jon: Mike and Jody twice.
• 46:05
  Twice.
• 46:06
  I want Mike and Jody
• 46:07
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 46:08
  Jon: and he gets them.
• 46:09
  I
• 46:10
  Ryan : It's his loyalty.
• 46:10
  Jon: you know, you can Yeah.
• 46:12
  Kearns: Just goes to show your friends are so much better than your wife and kid.
• 46:16
  Ryan : you.
• 46:17
  Yes.
• 46:19
  Jon: Rose before.
• 46:22
  Kearns: She's here.
• 46:23
  Yeah.
• 46:24
  But yeah, man.
• 46:25
  And Joey's before.
• 46:27
  But yeah, man.
• 46:28
  Um, I think that it ended as, it, it didn't, it had to do with like phantasm.
• 46:34
  It was an unexpected ending to a degree.
• 46:37
  It was a non, it wasn't completely definitive.
• 46:41
  The ending, the, you can still talk about it.
• 46:43
  It was very phantasm, but at the end of the day, it's like, it's pretty,
• 46:46
  it's probably this sort of thing.
• 46:48
  Um, the fact that Cascarelli sort of farmed out a lot of the work,
• 46:52
  the script writing and stuff to a very capable guy was interesting
• 46:55
  to me because it was the last one.
• 46:58
  I feel like this was another movie that maybe almost never was, um, given how
• 47:03
  it sort of became cobbled together.
• 47:05
  And I'm glad that it was because Phantasm deserves an ending and Angus died.
• 47:11
  Angus scrim died like right then, so we would never would've had the ending.
• 47:16
  So I'm glad Cascarelli got his swan song.
• 47:18
  Angus finished his project, Reggie got the ending, the character got the ending,
• 47:22
  and the actor got to realize the end.
• 47:25
  And just like you said, Ryan Phantasm and John has been saying
• 47:28
  this all the time at work too.
• 47:30
  Phantasm is a, is a very good series and upon rewatch you get to
• 47:35
  appreciate it a lot more than you did in the eighties and nineties and
• 47:39
  Ryan : It's a
• 47:39
  Kearns: two thousands.
• 47:41
  Ryan : It is
• 47:41
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 47:42
  if, if I were to
• 47:43
  Kearns: That's just so good.
• 47:45
  Yeah.
• 47:46
  Ryan : yes.
• 47:48
  Jon: yeah, absolutely.
• 47:50
  Watch
• 47:50
  Kearns: don't have like a rating system or anything, but fucking do it.
• 47:53
  I'm also, we're not supposed to be cursing anymore, but we're leaving that one in.
• 47:56
  Jon: watched the first four
• 47:58
  Kearns: it.
• 47:58
  Jon: you're gonna
• 47:59
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 47:59
  Jon: out at five, like
• 48:02
  get, get on.
• 48:05
  Kearns: Well, that's a good point.
• 48:08
  Yeah.
• 48:09
  I don't think there's many people who made it to four and we're like, you know what?
• 48:12
  That's it.
• 48:13
  Jon: and
• 48:13
  Kearns: We're done here.
• 48:14
  Jon: Phantasm out in a weekend.
• 48:17
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 48:18
  Jon: watch Fanm.
• 48:19
  Kearns: You can bang that out faster than Reggie tries to bang
• 48:21
  out all the girls and Fantastic.
• 48:23
  How about that?
• 48:24
  Ryan : Tall man
• 48:25
  Kearns: How about that?
• 48:28
  That's the only girl he made it.
• 48:30
  Ryan : No.
• 48:31
  Kearns: He banged, um, Orbies too, didn't he?
• 48:34
  No.
• 48:34
  He molested Orbies.
• 48:36
  Yeah, he Bill Cosby Orbies.
• 48:38
  That's not good.
• 48:39
  Reggie.
• 48:39
  I forgot about Reggie.
• 48:40
  Reggie's exploits are a little iffy.
• 48:42
  We, we chanced upon those in previous episodes and sort of like
• 48:46
  graced over them a little bit, but Oh, Reggie's got some loose SMLs,
• 48:52
  but Ryan did save him.
• 48:53
  Yeah, he is an ice cream man.
• 48:55
  Ryan did save him with that.
• 48:56
  It was the sound of the buzzing that made him look at her bare chest, not
• 49:00
  Ryan : a Mary Swanson
• 49:02
  Kearns: her.
• 49:02
  Orbies.
• 49:03
  Samsonite, every time you bring that up, I'm gonna say Sam tonight
• 49:08
  Jon: Yep,
• 49:08
  Ryan : Yes.
• 49:09
  Kearns: and last time we segued into space balls, by the way, because
• 49:12
  we did the stupid luggage joke.
• 49:14
  So it was like a perfect pop, pop, pop.
• 49:17
  Jon: it is.
• 49:17
  Ryan : Yes.
• 49:18
  Kearns: Uh, so that's the end of Phantasm everybody.
• 49:21
  Um,
• 49:22
  Ryan : episode.
• 49:23
  Kearns: and subscribe.
• 49:24
  Ryan : Jada can't wait for next week's episode.
• 49:26
  We're gonna watch it on Sunday.
• 49:27
  All right.
• 49:28
  I'm, do you guys know what the next episode is?
• 49:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:32
  Ryan : Come on now.
• 49:33
  John knows.
• 49:34
  Do you know?
• 49:35
  Oh, just making sure.
• 49:36
  It's Clive
• 49:38
  Kearns: did the schedule.
• 49:40
  Ryan : Oh, I hope Clive Barker's night
• 49:42
  Kearns: know my name right now.
• 49:44
  Ryan : It's phenomenal.
• 49:45
  Kearns: one of my favorite movies of all time horror movies of all time.
• 49:48
  And what I love the most about Night Breed, which we'll talk about when
• 49:50
  we get into Night Breed, 'cause we could do a whole other hour on the
• 49:52
  back of this one on Night Breed without even watching it again.
• 49:55
  Um, is not just the amazing lore, the comics, and all sorts of
• 50:01
  stuff that goes with night Breed,
• 50:03
  Ryan : Yes.
• 50:03
  Kearns: the fact that I think the scariest part is the human.
• 50:06
  And we'll probably get into that a lot in the movies when we talk about it.
• 50:09
  But the, the, as a kid watching the scenes with the dude, like sneaking
• 50:14
  into the house, Michael Myers style
• 50:17
  Ryan : It's
• 50:17
  Kearns: was way scarier than the monsters and Night Breed.
• 50:20
  Eh, the does,
• 50:22
  Ryan : the fact that,
• 50:23
  Kearns: it's got like a scarecrow vibe.
• 50:24
  You're right.
• 50:25
  Ryan : just to hint, it would be the main villain is someone who you would trust.
• 50:30
  And that's what makes it even scarier.
• 50:32
  Kearns: We trust Viewer to sucker.
• 50:34
  I don't trust anybody.
• 50:35
  Not even myself.
• 50:36
  Ryan : Gimme a hell.
• 50:37
  Yeah.
• 50:37
  Hell yeah.
• 50:39
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 50:43
  Oh yeah.
• 50:45
  I wish we had two beers to smash together in honor of ending this franchise.
• 50:48
  Phantasm, you've barely been, been gone.
• 50:50
  Yay.
• 50:52
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• 50:53
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• 50:55
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• 50:58
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• 50:59
  Jon: the Sprite.
• 51:03
  Ryan : Ooh,
• 51:05
  Jon: I don't know.
• 51:06
  It's cherry,
• 51:07
  Kearns: What does, what does the chill part do?
• 51:09
  Ryan : the chill.
• 51:11
  Jon: yeah.
• 51:12
  Kearns: Oh, nice.
• 51:13
  Yeah, like it's the part that gives you anal cancer.
• 51:18
  Yay.
• 51:19
  Coca-Cola Corporation.
• 51:21
  Ryan : oh God.
• 51:22
  Kearns: Clear Pepsi.
• 51:24
  What?
• 51:24
  We took out the stuff that's illegal in Europe.
• 51:29
  I'm sorry.
• 51:30
  Ryan : Yes.
• 51:31
  Kearns: Oh dude.
• 51:32
  Joe Cola, bacon, egg, and cheese in the mornings.
• 51:34
  That was like my, my start to my day every day from ninth through 10th grade
• 51:39
  and it would only cost me a dollar 75.
• 51:41
  Yeah.
• 51:42
  Between Jolt and Devil's Springs Vodka and Bacardi 1 41 or is it 1 51 rather?
• 51:48
  Um, we didn't have to have much of the latter, by the way,
• 51:52
  for it to have done something.
• 51:54
  I'm sure.
• 51:54
  Ryan : I wanna know what Mound Dew
• 51:56
  Kearns: I wonder what it does to your gut microbiome.
• 51:58
  Ryan : That I wanna know what's going
• 51:59
  Kearns: What do you think?
• 52:00
  That stuff's probably worse than everything we mentioned earlier.
• 52:03
  I would rather have sex with the lady in lavender
• 52:06
  Ryan : I
• 52:06
  Kearns: than drink a Mountain Dew Code red right now at 41 years old.
• 52:10
  Ryan : a risk, but I still drink it.
• 52:11
  It's the ch I like the cherry.
• 52:14
  Alright.
• 52:15
  Kearns: You still drink it.
• 52:17
  Brian Ryan.
• 52:19
  Even John.
• 52:20
  Look at John's worried.
• 52:21
  Ryan : What I, I
• 52:22
  Kearns: Look at John's face.
• 52:24
  Ryan : red.
• 52:24
  Kearns: You could have said anything.
• 52:25
  You could have been like, I ride a motorcycle without a helmet
• 52:27
  and I do 90 on on the highway.
• 52:29
  And I would been like, man, that's, that's a choice.
• 52:31
  I guess that's pretty cool.
• 52:32
  You said I drink Mountain Dew code red and both of us got dire
• 52:36
  Ryan : you up while gaming guys.
• 52:38
  Drink code Red.
• 52:40
  Jon: I,
• 52:40
  Kearns: drink black coffee and water.
• 52:42
  It's so much better for you.
• 52:43
  Jon: drinking
• 52:44
  Kearns: It's also sadder, but
• 52:45
  Jon: land.
• 52:48
  Ryan : Oh, Jesse Eisenberg
• 52:50
  Jon: Yeah.
• 52:51
  Kearns: that's
• 52:52
  Ryan : double
• 52:52
  Kearns: good reference by the way.
• 52:54
  Yeah.
• 52:57
  Is that how we got all twitchy?
• 53:00
  All twitchy.
• 53:01
  Don't they have like a cooler code red than They do like a nutty one for a while.
• 53:06
  Not like actual nuts, but they, I thought they did something crazier
• 53:09
  for a little bit where they did double the caffeine of Code Red
• 53:12
  Ryan : Halo
• 53:13
  Kearns: for like Halo three or Reach or something maybe.
• 53:16
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 53:16
  'cause that
• 53:16
  Kearns: I appreciate that stuff.
• 53:18
  Halo two,
• 53:20
  Ryan : I don't,
• 53:20
  Kearns: still have a bottle of that, it's worth money.
• 53:22
  Ryan : gone in my esophagus.
• 53:28
  Kearns: No, I mean full like seals.
• 53:30
  There was a dude who found one in his garage fridge and he had it, and
• 53:35
  I don't know if he sold it or not, but I remember people were like,
• 53:37
  oh, give us so much money for that just to taste that experience again.
• 53:41
  Ryan : that will, that, that'll definitely kill you, that'll eat your insides.
• 53:45
  All the chemicals have, like, they're not flushed out.
• 53:48
  They've been brewing
• 53:49
  Kearns: it's aged like whiskey.
• 53:52
  But no, that means taste.
• 53:53
  The experience.
• 53:54
  What it was like when Halo two came out.
• 53:56
  Imagine the difference in how life felt.
• 53:59
  What a morning felt like that day when Halo two was launching and
• 54:02
  you were about to go to GameStop.
• 54:03
  Was it even GameStop back then?
• 54:06
  Yeah.
• 54:07
  You'd go to Babbage's baby.
• 54:08
  Yep.
• 54:09
  You were heading in one of those spots.
• 54:10
  I don't even think GameStop was the spot yet.
• 54:13
  And you were picking up Halo too, and your priorities were what?
• 54:18
  Ryan : and science
• 54:19
  Kearns: I gotta walk the dog.
• 54:20
  Ryan : to dual wield with master chief.
• 54:22
  Kearns: I think I was, I think I might've been college.
• 54:25
  Yeah, exactly.
• 54:26
  I think I might have been in college for Halo too.
• 54:28
  Ryan : So
• 54:29
  Kearns: it was in the 2002, 2006 one,
• 54:32
  Ryan : two.
• 54:34
  Hold on.
• 54:34
  Kearns: something like that.
• 54:35
  But anyway,
• 54:36
  Jon: working.
• 54:37
  Kearns: along here.
• 54:38
  Jon: I was a year away from being,
• 54:39
  Kearns: Yeah, you were probably already,
• 54:41
  Jon: away from being,
• 54:42
  Kearns: I know exactly where we were probably working.
• 54:44
  Oh Lord.
• 54:46
  That's the saddest part of this episode.
• 54:47
  We're gonna have to wrap it up everybody.
• 54:50
  Jon: been at.
• 54:53
  Kearns: We all work together by the way.
• 54:58
  We're gonna just see you at the end.
• 55:00
  Like, I just wanna be with Martin and Ryan again.
• 55:02
  And there's a light that shines on you, but you're in building too.
• 55:05
  And then you just hear Angus scrim laugh in the background fiend.
• 55:10
  Aw man.
• 55:12
  But it doesn't just hurt you, buddy because it's only a matter of time.
• 55:16
  This camera's doing a good job of hiding it.
• 55:19
  It's hiding it now.
• 55:20
  The wind was blowing today and it was going up and one of our students said,
• 55:23
  I looked like I was wearing a toupee.
• 55:24
  And it was like, shut your stupid mouth shut.
• 55:28
  Dumb mouth dummy.
• 55:30
  It's a hundred percent mine and I grew it with all my love.
• 55:34
  It's like a chia pet.
• 55:35
  Ryan : grows.
• 55:37
  Kearns: I was so offended though.
• 55:38
  I was like, you did toupee.
• 55:39
  You bastard.
• 55:41
  I'm just gonna write down notes all weekend for how to burn
• 55:44
  him on Monday, but I digress.
• 55:48
  Um, alright, so we're done with the episodes on Phantasm.
• 55:51
  We go right into night breed next week, which is really
• 55:55
  exciting, to be honest with you.
• 55:56
  And yeah.
• 55:57
  Um, we're gonna jump into top fives.
• 55:59
  Here we go.
• 56:00
  Gentlemen,
• 56:01
  Ryan : no.
• 56:02
  Kearns: top five reasons to cry at the movies.
• 56:04
  Ryan : no, not five cools that the crying was
• 56:07
  Kearns: dammit.
• 56:07
  Ryan : I went with friends that help friends defeat the evil that
• 56:13
  they're facing in horror movies.
• 56:14
  So, to start it off,
• 56:19
  Kearns: Ooh.
• 56:19
  Is this the one like where Ray Romano helps the guy kill himself?
• 56:22
  Ryan : No, I'm joking.
• 56:25
  Kearns: No, nobody knows that movie.
• 56:27
  Nobody knows that movie.
• 56:28
  It's, it's the saddest movie we've ever seen.
• 56:30
  I'm sorry, I'm gonna shut up now and let you do your top five.
• 56:32
  Ryan : them being a Ray Romano fan.
• 56:34
  Um, first movie I went with number five, produced by ghi,
• 56:39
  Mel del Toro, came out in 2019.
• 56:41
  It is of my favorite horror book series growing up.
• 56:46
  Scary Stories to Tell In the Dark.
• 56:48
  Um, that movie, about a group of friends.
• 56:51
  It's based on short stories.
• 56:53
  Kearns: Nice.
• 56:54
  Ryan : Since like, I guess late eighties, early nineties, um, in every
• 56:58
  elementary library had these stories and scared the shit out of us first
• 57:04
  graders and second graders, and we loved it and we kept coming back from war.
• 57:08
  And this movie covers a lot of the good stories.
• 57:10
  My favorite b and the alert, the spider coming out the girl's face.
• 57:16
  But it is also a movie I believe should have been rated RI don't think
• 57:19
  it, the PG 13 rating did any justice,
• 57:24
  I mean, that's as much as I can go with it.
• 57:26
  I loved it.
• 57:28
  Kearns: That's fair.
• 57:29
  They wanted to bring in some of the kids along with us, the OGs
• 57:34
  that read them and saw them.
• 57:36
  Um, and it did.
• 57:37
  They, you're right.
• 57:38
  They should have just committed.
• 57:39
  There were scenes in that that could have been truly terrifying,
• 57:41
  that were actually scary.
• 57:42
  Ryan : that was, that's
• 57:44
  Kearns: thinking of the, the hallway scene.
• 57:45
  Ryan : seeing it live.
• 57:47
  I was like, yes.
• 57:48
  And then just as she's just pulling him in, I, I wanted, that's all.
• 57:52
  I'm gonna leave it at that because I don't wanna,
• 57:57
  well,
• 57:58
  Kearns: Where's my toe?
• 57:59
  Should have been in that movie, by the way.
• 58:01
  That's the scariest story in, for me, in the scary stories telling the dark,
• 58:04
  Ryan : in it.
• 58:05
  Kearns: the kid finds the toe and then they cook it for soup for some reason.
• 58:09
  But by the way, that, that, um, I should remind you, by the way, it's, those
• 58:14
  are ba a lot of those are based on folk legends and things like that too.
• 58:18
  They, they're, yeah, they're urban legends mixed in with folk legends.
• 58:22
  And there's some that are just short stories, like you said, but, and some are
• 58:25
  poem, but yeah, there's some old stuff.
• 58:28
  Jon: I didn't have, miss
• 58:30
  Kearns: You have it.
• 58:31
  Jon: when I was a kid.
• 58:31
  Like, I basically went from like Boys to Stephen King.
• 58:37
  Ryan : Okay.
• 58:37
  Jon: There was
• 58:37
  Ryan : fair.
• 58:38
  Jon: transition in there.
• 58:39
  It was just, but
• 58:41
  Kearns: Nice.
• 58:42
  Jon: wasn't that directed by, um, Andre Overda Al, however you pronounce his name,
• 58:47
  Ryan : Yes.
• 58:49
  Yep.
• 58:50
  Uh, produced by Gil Malto.
• 58:51
  Kearns: Is it produced by Guillermo del Toro?
• 58:53
  Yeah.
• 58:54
  Jon: Troll Hunter.
• 58:56
  Ryan : Yes.
• 58:58
  It it, that's what makes it such a good film too, 'cause
• 59:01
  it's, uh, you got a good crew.
• 59:03
  You've got a good cast.
• 59:05
  The story is decent to bring these stories to life with the witch.
• 59:09
  And the most important part, like Phantasm, it's all about friendship,
• 59:13
  which, you know, leads to number four.
• 59:18
  can call these two guys friends.
• 59:20
  They're more like half brothers.
• 59:22
  And this 2001 movie written by co-written by JG Abrams and has like
• 59:30
  uncredited role to Stacey Keach.
• 59:32
  It stars Steve's on.
• 59:34
  Paul Walker as Half Brothers Will Lee Lisa Bisky as they are
• 59:39
  terrorized by a trucker on the highway in the movie called Joy Ride.
• 59:43
  I do like joy ride.
• 59:44
  Um, you can say that these two half brothers, Steve Za and Paul Walker
• 59:48
  become friends over time and their goal after Steve's on basically makes
• 59:54
  fun of Stacey Keach and calling him an inbred truck fucker, um, ape shit.
• 1:00:01
  And they have to like, save themselves basically from this crazy truck driver
• 1:00:07
  who just toys with the entire time.
• 1:00:09
  It's a fun 2001 thriller.
• 1:00:11
  Um, I, I like it.
• 1:00:13
  I still like it.
• 1:00:14
  It holds, I think it holds, I dunno what you guys think about it, but you know, I
• 1:00:21
  think it's, I don't think it's a bad film.
• 1:00:25
  Kearns: I just wanna hear number three.
• 1:00:27
  Ryan : Keach is a show stealer too, you know.
• 1:00:29
  Wait, what'd you say, Martin?
• 1:00:31
  I didn't hear you.
• 1:00:34
  Oh my
• 1:00:36
  Kearns: I said, I just wanna hear number three.
• 1:00:40
  I'm going with my shtick of being, being angry about long top fives.
• 1:00:47
  I'm gonna look now, I'm gonna look up Stacy Keach while
• 1:00:49
  you're talking about that.
• 1:00:50
  Ryan : Chin X Chong Universe.
• 1:00:52
  Um,
• 1:00:53
  Kearns: Best mustache in the biz besides Stan Elliot.
• 1:00:56
  Ryan : a
• 1:00:56
  Kearns: All right.
• 1:00:57
  Ryan : and Pi Curry is still not dead, sadly.
• 1:01:00
  John Ritter is, and it's from 1990 Stephen King's.
• 1:01:04
  It.
• 1:01:05
  Um, I went with the original 'cause that cover freaked me out as
• 1:01:09
  Kearns: yeah,
• 1:01:10
  Ryan : intrigued me and enticed me to watch it.
• 1:01:12
  And whole group of friends who go back to their hometown and fight this evil clown.
• 1:01:19
  That's all I'm gonna say.
• 1:01:20
  I don't wanna spoil it.
• 1:01:22
  No one's seeing it.
• 1:01:23
  Did we spoil it?
• 1:01:25
  Kearns: and we, I think we did a, yeah, I think we did a good job.
• 1:01:28
  And a bit of a deep dive on a tangent and another episode too,
• 1:01:31
  'cause it's star tower related.
• 1:01:33
  But can we talk about the gang bang that Stephen King wrote
• 1:01:36
  about a gang bang with kids?
• 1:01:37
  Well, actually I guess it was just a threesome,
• 1:01:39
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 1:01:40
  Kearns: but, but to your.
• 1:01:42
  That wasn't orgy.
• 1:01:43
  To your point though, that was about their comradery and closeness
• 1:01:48
  more than it was about sex.
• 1:01:49
  And it was confirmed by King that that's what he was going for.
• 1:01:52
  But cocaine is a hell of a drug, so he, he kind of, he kind of
• 1:01:57
  missed the Mark A. Little bit.
• 1:01:58
  For some people it didn't age well, but I get what he was trying to do with it,
• 1:02:02
  like they were going to die and whatnot.
• 1:02:04
  Ryan : which
• 1:02:05
  Kearns: That was sort of the thing.
• 1:02:06
  Ryan : own, in his own world.
• 1:02:07
  Thank you.
• 1:02:08
  Kearns: Anyway,
• 1:02:08
  Ryan : I love it.
• 1:02:09
  I
• 1:02:09
  Kearns: good choice.
• 1:02:10
  Ryan : new one.
• 1:02:11
  Uh, but the original 1990 still hits and Tim Curry as Pennywise.
• 1:02:16
  just Tim Curry.
• 1:02:19
  It's just, he's amazing.
• 1:02:21
  Kearns: Best.
• 1:02:21
  Ryan : that kinda leads me to number two.
• 1:02:26
  I'm fine with that.
• 1:02:28
  a John Ritter.
• 1:02:29
  Kearns: I decided not to say anything 'cause I wanted to get to
• 1:02:32
  number two, but I could have gone into the scars, scar jokes so fast.
• 1:02:36
  Ryan : might
• 1:02:36
  Kearns: I was like, no, shut up Martin.
• 1:02:37
  Ryan : guard.
• 1:02:40
  Kearns: There were two.
• 1:02:43
  Ryan : well
• 1:02:43
  Kearns: I'm sure
• 1:02:44
  Ryan : directed and
• 1:02:44
  Kearns: they're
• 1:02:45
  Ryan : John
• 1:02:45
  Kearns: in my nightmares.
• 1:02:46
  Ryan : ones an American werewolf in London.
• 1:02:49
  Now it's the main character who gets turned into a
• 1:02:53
  Kearns: That sounds a good movie.
• 1:02:55
  Ryan : friend is still with him, his first, first victim.
• 1:02:59
  He sees him throughout the entire movie as he's going through this
• 1:03:01
  journey of understanding of or becoming a werewolf overall.
• 1:03:05
  And his friend.
• 1:03:07
  It's been a while since I've seen it, but I feel like he kind of like tr tries
• 1:03:11
  to egg him on to become this beast.
• 1:03:14
  me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time since I've seen it, but he's like keeps
• 1:03:18
  egging him on throughout the whole thing.
• 1:03:20
  Kearns: No, he's, yeah, he's, he's in not a beneficial presence overall.
• 1:03:26
  Yeah.
• 1:03:27
  Um, and it's also debatable as to whether or not it's really him as the
• 1:03:31
  goal or if it's just part of his psyche.
• 1:03:33
  But we can, we're not gonna do this again.
• 1:03:35
  Ryan : ghouls and we speak about ghosts.
• 1:03:37
  This leads me to my number 1 19 96, directed by n Ran by Peter Jackson.
• 1:03:43
  Um, it's got a great cast.
• 1:03:45
  Michael J. Fox.
• 1:03:46
  Jake Busey.
• 1:03:48
  John Astin.
• 1:03:48
  Jeffrey Combs, cha McBride, tri Lardo.
• 1:03:53
  Well, it's got a great score
• 1:03:54
  Kearns: Jake Busey makes everything creepier.
• 1:03:57
  Ryan : one of my favorite movies growing up as a kid.
• 1:03:59
  Kearns: That's my favorite thing you guys do, by the way.
• 1:04:02
  You don't skimp over good music every time there's a good score and stuff like that.
• 1:04:06
  Most of the times, I think, 'cause I'm sure somebody listening's like,
• 1:04:08
  no, he missed it on this episode.
• 1:04:10
  But you guys always do a good job of pointing out the music
• 1:04:14
  and I do appreciate that.
• 1:04:15
  Ryan : a kickass
• 1:04:16
  Kearns: Frighteners does have a kick ass score.
• 1:04:18
  Ryan : Ingle Boingo.
• 1:04:19
  Kearns: I don't know who that is, but I guess he's a, he's talent.
• 1:04:22
  Ryan : like, no, it's a name of a
• 1:04:25
  Kearns: Is that the monster that's in Lake Champlain?
• 1:04:29
  That's, oh
• 1:04:30
  Ryan : singer for a minute.
• 1:04:31
  Kearns: yeah.
• 1:04:32
  Ryan : it's like,
• 1:04:32
  Kearns: No,
• 1:04:33
  Ryan : I won't go
• 1:04:34
  Kearns: I'm musically stunted.
• 1:04:36
  Cool.
• 1:04:36
  Man.
• 1:04:38
  It's, I will circle back though.
• 1:04:40
  The Frighteners has a great, I remember the music.
• 1:04:43
  It's great.
• 1:04:43
  Ryan : Fox.
• 1:04:44
  Kearns: And also the movie itself is great.
• 1:04:45
  Ryan : two ghost pals and they're trying to get rid of the Reaper, by Jake Busey.
• 1:04:52
  But it's just the twists and turns.
• 1:04:54
  It's, need to cover that film too.
• 1:04:57
  We need to cover
• 1:04:58
  Kearns: So good.
• 1:04:59
  Ryan : No,
• 1:04:59
  Kearns: not ever remake that movie.
• 1:05:01
  I don't think it was ever big enough to be remade,
• 1:05:03
  Jon: But they will.
• 1:05:04
  Kearns: just good.
• 1:05:05
  I,
• 1:05:06
  Ryan : Don't say that.
• 1:05:07
  Yes.
• 1:05:10
  Kearns: I won't ever, like, you can't remake Jake Busey.
• 1:05:13
  They should re, they should cast his father in the remake as the
• 1:05:17
  Reaper and just, they'll tell anybody just to have it be Gary
• 1:05:20
  Ryan : What.
• 1:05:21
  Kearns: and they'll just be sitting there like, I like corn sausage
• 1:05:27
  every time he is been on camera.
• 1:05:28
  The o and clips that I've seen over the last year have just
• 1:05:31
  been him being full bore crazy.
• 1:05:36
  All right.
• 1:05:37
  So that was Frighteners.
• 1:05:38
  That's the number one.
• 1:05:40
  Um, John, where can people go to find these lists, by the way,
• 1:05:43
  Jon: We're
• 1:05:43
  Kearns: before you tell yours?
• 1:05:45
  Jon: on there, tracking all
• 1:05:48
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Letterboxed.
• 1:05:50
  Jon: on there as well.
• 1:05:51
  So you can go and follow us on there.
• 1:05:53
  Kearns: Hell yes, letterbox.
• 1:05:55
  I did a deep dive.
• 1:05:55
  Did John's doing good work on there.
• 1:05:57
  There's some chronicling
• 1:05:59
  Ryan : Check it out.
• 1:05:59
  Kearns: people, so go see what he's chronicled.
• 1:06:03
  Ryan : Ooh,
• 1:06:04
  Kearns: The Chronicles of Xenomania doesn't have a nice answer.
• 1:06:09
  That absolutely not.
• 1:06:10
  Jon: the unauthorized history.
• 1:06:13
  Kearns: Nice.
• 1:06:13
  Ryan : was a stormy night.
• 1:06:14
  Kearns: All right.
• 1:06:15
  John's gonna do his tough.
• 1:06:17
  Jon: interestingly, your number one in consideration for my list,
• 1:06:24
  Ryan : Oh,
• 1:06:24
  Jon: I, I
• 1:06:25
  Ryan : okay.
• 1:06:25
  Jon: I tightened it up.
• 1:06:26
  I tightened the category
• 1:06:28
  Kearns: Ooh,
• 1:06:29
  Jon: So mine is,
• 1:06:33
  Kearns: no.
• 1:06:34
  You should have been meaner.
• 1:06:34
  You should be like, it wasn't good enough for my list.
• 1:06:38
  Ryan : Frighten nurses on every level.
• 1:06:40
  Kearns: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:06:41
  Jon: I went with
• 1:06:43
  Kearns: Frighteners.
• 1:06:44
  Jon: hospitals.
• 1:06:46
  Ryan : Okay.
• 1:06:47
  Jon: Mental, I left the mental institutes off.
• 1:06:50
  That's a
• 1:06:50
  Kearns: Of course you did.
• 1:06:53
  Jon: These are just
• 1:06:54
  Ryan : So no.
• 1:06:56
  Okay.
• 1:06:56
  Kearns: It is a different list.
• 1:06:57
  Ryan : or maybe, oh, damn it.
• 1:07:01
  Jon: House on Haunted.
• 1:07:03
  So number five, we're gonna go to my favorite
• 1:07:06
  Kearns: Uh,
• 1:07:07
  Jon: George, a Romero's Diary of the Dead, which
• 1:07:11
  Ryan : Okay.
• 1:07:12
  Jon: is Diary of the Dead.
• 1:07:15
  Kearns: okay.
• 1:07:15
  Jon: will put a Romero
• 1:07:16
  Kearns: love that friend, those
• 1:07:18
  Jon: can, I'll make up, I'll make up a category just to put a, a Romero
• 1:07:23
  Kearns: Yep.
• 1:07:23
  Jon: it.
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  Kearns: You're a huge Romero buff.
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  Jon: So
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  Kearns: I,
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  Jon: Diary of the Dead is Romero's
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  Kearns: that's cool.
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  Jon: s zombie
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  Kearns: love that.
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  Jon: chronicling, uh, a group of young filmmakers in the beginning
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  of the zombie apocalypse.
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  And.
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  Hospital seeking treatment for an injured friend and find that it's just
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  zombie doctors and nurses at this point.
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  Ryan : That is a cool premise.
• 1:07:50
  Jon: yeah,
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  Kearns: Huh?
• 1:07:51
  Jon: definitely saw some pretty creepy imagery in there.
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  Um, so jump onto number four.
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  I feel like I've
• 1:08:00
  Kearns: I
• 1:08:00
  Jon: movie on a list before, I'm going with the void.
• 1:08:05
  Ryan : Okay.
• 1:08:06
  That's a good choice.
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  Jon: the void is like Lovecraft and Nightmare.
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  The cult surrounding a hospital trying to open a portal to a hellish dimension.
• 1:08:16
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  Jon: It really fits in with the too.
• 1:08:19
  Ryan : Yeah, it does.
• 1:08:21
  Kearns: Yeah, it does.
• 1:08:21
  And that's like for the listeners, if, if people have a niche like George, a
• 1:08:25
  Romero might be John John's niche is horror, really, but like everybody's
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  got their kind of preference.
• 1:08:31
  This type of movie is my, the endless, the void.
• 1:08:36
  Um, what is that stupid, what is it called?
• 1:08:38
  Black Triangle or some stupid name.
• 1:08:40
  Ryan : what you're.
• 1:08:40
  Kearns: That one where she's endlessly going through a loop continuously and
• 1:08:44
  like she, it might be the triangle.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Um, and then you get into movies like the adaptation of Van der Me's, um,
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  Southern Reach, trilogy, annihilation.
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  That's another one where there's like this changing of reality.
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  I am so into that crap.
• 1:09:01
  So the void, as soon as he said The Void, I got like, you know, goose bumpy.
• 1:09:05
  That was a, that's a good one.
• 1:09:07
  And the movie itself is just, it slaps.
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  You don't really know what's happening.
• 1:09:11
  And it's a little gory and you don't like, oh, it's a slasher, it's this, it's that.
• 1:09:14
  And it's way deeper than that.
• 1:09:16
  Yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Jon: expect it to.
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  Um,
• 1:09:19
  Kearns: up.
• 1:09:19
  Jon: so my number three is another one.
• 1:09:20
  I feel like I maybe have put on a list before, but again, the
• 1:09:25
  element is too much to pass up.
• 1:09:27
  Uh, the sadness.
• 1:09:31
  Ryan : No, you didn't.
• 1:09:32
  You didn't put that on there, I don't think.
• 1:09:34
  Kearns: Listen.
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  Sadness
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  Jon: So the sadness is
• 1:09:39
  Kearns: call that Monday.
• 1:09:40
  Jon: a couple separated during the
• 1:09:42
  Kearns: It's a sadness.
• 1:09:43
  Jon: that turns its victims to sadistic, maniacs attempts to reunite.
• 1:09:48
  Um, so it's, is just like a pure Hong Kong zombie or fest.
• 1:09:56
  might be the glorious movie I've ever seen with some of the most,
• 1:10:02
  some of the, I don't want to go quite to repulsive, but repulsive
• 1:10:06
  would be a word that people would use to describe some of these scenes.
• 1:10:10
  But it's just so well made and so like, it's fun, but it's, if you're queasy,
• 1:10:16
  if you're squeamish, the sadness is not
• 1:10:20
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:10:20
  Jon: for.
• 1:10:22
  Ryan : So.
• 1:10:24
  Kearns: Also, it's likely you shouldn't be here with us if you're
• 1:10:26
  queasy or s when, not necessarily a deal breaker, but pretty close.
• 1:10:32
  Pretty close.
• 1:10:33
  Jon: you of get into your mind like, can't get grocer from here.
• 1:10:38
  There's nothing worse that they can do.
• 1:10:42
  And there is.
• 1:10:43
  There is.
• 1:10:44
  Kearns: I get the point is to make us uncomfortable, but
• 1:10:47
  hospitals, the hospital, gore,
• 1:10:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:10:50
  Kearns: some reason, scalpels themselves as an instrument freak
• 1:10:54
  me out far more than chainsaws.
• 1:10:55
  Jon: gonna
• 1:10:56
  Ryan : the
• 1:10:56
  Kearns: I don't like the surgical precision of the slice.
• 1:10:58
  Jon: come up later on
• 1:11:00
  Kearns: Ugh.
• 1:11:01
  Jon: No,
• 1:11:01
  Kearns: Oh, great.
• 1:11:02
  Dr. Giggles number two.
• 1:11:04
  Jon: a
• 1:11:04
  Ryan : giggles.
• 1:11:05
  Jon: giggles.
• 1:11:05
  Kearns: Ugh.
• 1:11:06
  Jon: Number two, planet terror.
• 1:11:11
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:11:11
  I don't even think
• 1:11:12
  Ryan : Yes.
• 1:11:12
  Jon: The Rob,
• 1:11:13
  Ryan : Yes.
• 1:11:17
  Jon: So
• 1:11:17
  Kearns: Got nothing.
• 1:11:18
  Oh, look at Ryan.
• 1:11:19
  Look at Ryan's eyes light up.
• 1:11:22
  Ryan : the hand scene,
• 1:11:25
  Jon: so
• 1:11:26
  Kearns: Nice.
• 1:11:27
  Forgot it.
• 1:11:27
  All right.
• 1:11:28
  That's Ryan House part.
• 1:11:29
  Okay.
• 1:11:29
  Jon: what I decided was side of war of the Roses style, spousal combat
• 1:11:37
  between the doctor's block, uh, Josh Rowland and Marley Shelton.
• 1:11:44
  And like she has the greatest lines in this movie, in, in this movie,
• 1:11:48
  like with, with her, her syringes.
• 1:11:51
  And these are my friends, a yellow friend to take this thing off.
• 1:11:57
  My little blue friend you'll barely feel.
• 1:12:00
  after my redheaded friend, you'll never see me again.
• 1:12:05
  It's just her series of, you know, shots to people
• 1:12:12
  effect on, on her.
• 1:12:14
  Kearns: mm-hmm.
• 1:12:18
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 1:12:21
  Kearns: Ugh.
• 1:12:21
  Ryan : Yeah.
• 1:12:22
  You're
• 1:12:22
  Kearns: laying those seeds in my mind.
• 1:12:24
  Ryan : though.
• 1:12:24
  He was a little, he's he's off kilter.
• 1:12:28
  Jon: Oh, he's,
• 1:12:29
  Kearns: Nah,
• 1:12:29
  Jon: a
• 1:12:30
  Kearns: I wish I was Josh Brolin and what a dream boat.
• 1:12:33
  Ryan : is
• 1:12:34
  Kearns: Nah, I'll take Josh Brolin and Goonies sober.
• 1:12:36
  All of 'em actually go Goonies Brolin.
• 1:12:40
  Jon: short
• 1:12:40
  Kearns: I wanna be, I wanna be weird Crop Top working out Josh Brolin in the 1980s.
• 1:12:46
  Yeah, headband.
• 1:12:48
  But the girl sewing to me, Josh Brolin.
• 1:12:53
  I don't wanna be
• 1:12:54
  Jon: is
• 1:12:55
  Kearns: Josh Brolin.
• 1:12:56
  Jon: sort of cheating because it's two, it's in the same franchise.
• 1:13:02
  So number one, Halloween two and Halloween kill
• 1:13:07
  Ryan : Yes.
• 1:13:08
  Jon: from
• 1:13:09
  Ryan : Yep.
• 1:13:10
  Jon: hot tubs.
• 1:13:13
  Kearns: Uh, Halloween two, I think is the scariest hospital scene, hot tub scene.
• 1:13:18
  Yep.
• 1:13:18
  Jon: scalpels and then Halloween pills.
• 1:13:22
  Listen, I know there are a lot of people who are, who crap on that trilogy.
• 1:13:28
  I think the first two are pretty solid and Halloween ends is a little messy.
• 1:13:37
  Ryan : Yes.
• 1:13:38
  Jon: that ho the hospital scenes and Halloween kills with the mob
• 1:13:45
  mentality portrayed the way it's, it's just so effective like that,
• 1:13:51
  those scenes, you can, you can see how people get swept up in that really.
• 1:13:58
  Ryan : And struck him down real quick.
• 1:14:01
  Jon: yeah.
• 1:14:03
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 1:14:05
  Jon: After.
• 1:14:09
  Because one person thinks he saw Michael Meyer or
• 1:14:13
  Ryan : You know what?
• 1:14:15
  I would've been happy in Halloween kills if they made a Fred Hollister reference.
• 1:14:20
  Remember when you killed Fred Hol, Ted Hollister?
• 1:14:23
  I'm sorry, Ted.
• 1:14:25
  Ted holster.
• 1:14:27
  Fred.
• 1:14:28
  It was Fred who was leading the mob.
• 1:14:30
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Yeah.
• 1:14:32
  Ryan : RIP, Ted.
• 1:14:35
  Kearns: that's pretty solid.
• 1:14:36
  And I do love, I do love Halloween too, for being super scary.
• 1:14:40
  I do.
• 1:14:41
  Ryan's gonna go back into the transcript and change the time.
• 1:14:45
  By the way, for the beginning from six minutes to, I believe we're
• 1:14:50
  bordering, I think we're at 19.
• 1:14:52
  Jon: Thanks.
• 1:14:53
  Kearns: This might be a new record just because I was bitching about it.
• 1:14:56
  It's like a new record for the top fives.
• 1:14:58
  Partially my fault though.
• 1:14:59
  I butted in a lot this time.
• 1:15:01
  But that was funny.
• 1:15:02
  Um, those were good Top fives guys.
• 1:15:05
  That was awesome.
• 1:15:06
  Um, great.
• 1:15:07
  Top fives to end out Phantasm too,
• 1:15:13
  but next week's gonna be so I'm not even sad because next week's
• 1:15:16
  gonna be so freaking awesome.
• 1:15:18
  Ryan : Wait till we do puppet Master.
• 1:15:19
  Jon: listen, if you're like me,
• 1:15:23
  if you're like me and
• 1:15:25
  Kearns: That's your K
• 1:15:26
  Jon: fallen in love with the Fanm series and you don't want it to end quite yet,
• 1:15:33
  go on Amazon, pick up this book fiction.
• 1:15:37
  It's Don Selli written all stories within the Fanm
• 1:15:42
  Kearns: pH
• 1:15:44
  Jon: So if you, if you're not quite ready for Fanm to
• 1:15:47
  Kearns: sick.
• 1:15:49
  Jon: you got a little more.
• 1:15:52
  Ryan : See, that's cool.
• 1:15:53
  Kearns: That's awesome, dude.
• 1:15:56
  This guy should freaking do something nice for you.
• 1:15:58
  You plugged so much of his shit.
• 1:16:00
  That's amazing.
• 1:16:01
  Um, all right everybody, Don Cascarelli.
• 1:16:04
  You better freaking hook up my boy, John.
• 1:16:07
  All right guys.
• 1:16:09
  Um, yeah.
• 1:16:09
  So that was the episode 15 of Xenomania.
• 1:16:14
  We'll see you guys next time.
• 1:16:16
  Four.
• 1:16:16
  Ryan : Have a good night guys.