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Is Caleb Downs Really Going To Play Running Back In 2024? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special live episode of Buckeyes tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: morning for Wednesday, August twenty First, I'm your host Tom Moore.
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  Speaker 1: The Akron game, Tony Gerderman in just ten days, the
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  Speaker 1: game against Michigan in one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: And one days.
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  Speaker 1: Every day I get just a little more excited to
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  Speaker 1: say those numbers because they just keep getting a little
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  Speaker 1: bit smaller every day. Season Almost here we are live
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  Speaker 1: inside the what He Hayes Athletic Center. Just got a
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  Speaker 1: chance to talk to Matt Greary in the Ohio State Safeties,
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  Speaker 1: Keenan Bailey in the Ohio State tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of interesting stuff. Those are not necessarily two position.
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  Speaker 1: Groups that everyone is you know what, I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to hear from the Ohio State Safeties, but I mean
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  Speaker 1: some really interesting stuff tonight. I guess I titled the
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  Speaker 1: show around Caleb Downs because Caleb Downs is whatever one's
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  Speaker 1: kind of most interested in hearing. And I think you
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  Speaker 1: were there with Matt Ray when he was talking about
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Downs as well. Just you know, Caleb Downs is
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  Speaker 1: someone who is universally recognized as one of, if not
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  Speaker 1: the best players on this team, one of the best,
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  Speaker 1: if not the best players in the nation, and the
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  Speaker 1: stuff that sets him apart is not necessarily like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sure he's a freak athlete, but that's not what anyone
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  Speaker 1: talks about when they ask him, you know what sets
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  Speaker 1: him apart?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Well I even asked Matt Gray, like what has surprised
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  Speaker 4: you about him? And he's like, you know, everything they
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  Speaker 4: can do on the field, you see all of that.
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  Speaker 4: But what a lot of people don't know is what
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  Speaker 4: kind of teammate he is. Younger players with I mean
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  Speaker 4: younger players, he's a he's.
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  Speaker 1: A so so I guess literally just a freshman then
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  Speaker 1: y yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just the and maybe some high school recruits, but
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  Speaker 4: he is he is one of those guys, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: an old soul in that way, but he helps everybody out.
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  Speaker 4: Really really good teammate and knows everything about the defense,
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  Speaker 4: can play any position basically, and is we haven't talked
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  Speaker 4: about him much because he's just understood, like he's a
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  Speaker 4: known quantity, and so when you're a camp kind of
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  Speaker 4: not talking about the known quantities as much because you
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  Speaker 4: know there's other things you know, well, we don't know
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  Speaker 4: about this, we don't know about this, And yet he
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  Speaker 4: still never played game in Ohio State. He's still very
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  Speaker 4: new but no, he's he's old news, but really really
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  Speaker 4: good news as well.
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  Speaker 2: Really really good news.
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  Speaker 1: And all the stuff he talked about was all stuff
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  Speaker 1: that Matt Greary talked about. He also talked about Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Downs just his memory, oh yeah, and his mind for
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  Speaker 1: the game and how Greary said they would say he
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  Speaker 1: would sit down and watch every snap. Watched every snap
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  Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty three Alabama season where Dale Downs
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  Speaker 1: was a starter for Nick Saban's defense, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: when you're watching, you know, you get a little graphic
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  Speaker 1: that comes up before each play that says down in
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  Speaker 1: distance and you know where the ball is.
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  Speaker 2: And normally, if.
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  Speaker 1: It was Ohio State, it would say, you know, here's
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  Speaker 1: the defensive play call. They obviously don't know all of
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  Speaker 1: Alabama's defensive play calls. It was just down in distance
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  Speaker 1: and where the ball was. And he said, every play,
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  Speaker 1: every play, Downs would go, yeah, this is the defense
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  Speaker 1: we were in and here's what happened on the play.
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  Speaker 1: Just an incredible memory as well. Sure, being freak athlete
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  Speaker 1: is great. Being a great team it is great, but
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  Speaker 1: also to have you know, no one said photographic memory,
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  Speaker 1: but it feels like either an incredible memory or just grinding.
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  Speaker 2: In the film room in a way that you just
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  Speaker 2: don't see.
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  Speaker 4: Well, beyond memory, it just an understanding as well, where
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  Speaker 4: this is all a language he speaks. We don't need
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  Speaker 4: to learn English, and English every day we speak it.
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  Speaker 3: Some of us speaks might need to every day. It's
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  Speaker 3: that's just the language he speaks.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, of course it's remembering all of this, but
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  Speaker 4: it's it is his second language and maybe his first
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  Speaker 4: language of football, and it's it's impressive, and I wonder
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  Speaker 4: it certainly seems rare in the way Matt Greary was
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  Speaker 4: talking about it, like this is a guy that, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we'll just pull up the film and give you every
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  Speaker 4: little bit of rundown and it's football savant, perhaps just
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  Speaker 4: a such a reassuring piece of your defense.
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  Speaker 3: And to have him at the back end.
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  Speaker 4: And of course he already is well versed in this defense,
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  Speaker 4: completely comfortable in it, and has lived up, hasn't played
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  Speaker 4: a game yet, lived up to all of the building
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  Speaker 4: billing before the games.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing all the stuff that you, if you're an
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  Speaker 1: O House Date fan would be hoping to hear. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: this is all the stuff that sort of feels like
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  Speaker 1: it's setting up. Hey, this might be a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: season for this guy who the expectations are already really
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  Speaker 1: really high for. He is someone who his first language
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  Speaker 1: is certainly defense. He has been studying some second language
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  Speaker 1: as well, offense as a second language.
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  Speaker 2: Tony.
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  Speaker 1: That was something Ryan Day brought up at some point
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  Speaker 1: in the what late spring, early summer, that, yeah, Caleb
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  Speaker 1: downs Is, they're thinking about maybe putting him at running
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  Speaker 1: back sometimes too. Downs Is asked, you know, was that
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  Speaker 1: a serious thing or is that kind of Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: it was, it was a serious thing. He said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's not expecting The last time he took snaps there
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  Speaker 1: was sort of late summer, so it sounds like not
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  Speaker 1: in fall camp. So this is not something that's probably
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  Speaker 1: super imminent. But he said, you know, he could play
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  Speaker 1: ten snaps or so on offense. He wants to be
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  Speaker 1: realistic about it. And someone asked him, you know, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know there's a guy in Colorado who he's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's my buddy. It's it's my buddy, Travis. And the
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  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, of course, plays on both sides of the
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  Speaker 1: ball for Colorado and sounds like he's maybe talked to
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  Speaker 1: him a little bit about that, gotten a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a sense for what that might be like. So
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  Speaker 1: certainly not something I would expect to see real early.
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  Speaker 1: But if you get get to a break glass in
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  Speaker 1: case of emergency point with that, he's there if you need.
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  Speaker 4: We were at zero point five on the number of
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  Speaker 4: offensive touches for him before the season.
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  Speaker 3: Are you ready to move that to one point five?
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 3: They've got to show it at some point, right just
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  Speaker 3: to make people.
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  Speaker 1: Do Probably, they probably put it out there at some point.
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  Speaker 3: Mississt first half and it is forty eight nothing.
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  Speaker 1: That if you put him out there against Michigan State
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  Speaker 1: when it's forty eight nothing and we will get to
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  Speaker 1: the super chat in a minute.
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  Speaker 2: If you put him out there when you're up.
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  Speaker 1: Forty eight nothing against Michigan State, that tells everyone this
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  Speaker 1: is a decoy.
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  Speaker 2: You do not need to pay attention to that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you put him out there in the third quarter
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  Speaker 1: against Oregon even just to make them burner time out?
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  Speaker 2: Is it something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still going to treat this as a you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the same vein as the jack position, in the
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  Speaker 1: same Vein as the JK. Dobbins Mike Weber two back formation.
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  Speaker 1: I need to see it before I believe it.
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  Speaker 4: But let me just say diamond for formation against Nebraska
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  Speaker 4: and in honor of Nebraska running that with Trevion quinch
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  Speaker 4: On Judkins, Caleb Downs and Well Howard.
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  Speaker 1: I will give you three points in the Bold predictions
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  Speaker 1: for that happens. Let's get to the super chat before
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  Speaker 1: Kevin's arm falls.
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  Speaker 3: Off Ryan Dobbs.
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  Speaker 2: Does Downs make the first big play of the season?
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  Speaker 2: What is so? Ryan Dawes wants to know.
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  Speaker 1: Does Caleb Downs make the first big play of the
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  Speaker 1: season and what is it? Well, he's not going to
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  Speaker 1: be a kickoff returner. He was asked about being a
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  Speaker 1: punt returner. He said he's fielded plenty of punts and
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  Speaker 1: if they need him, he will be the punt returner.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't feel like that was super imminent, So I will
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  Speaker 1: say first big play of the season. Well, you got
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  Speaker 1: to think they're probably deferring if they win the toss,
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  Speaker 1: If Akron wins the toss, they are probably deferring, and
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  Speaker 1: trying to write.
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  Speaker 2: They're probably deferring.
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  Speaker 3: So you're probably when they out there just just because.
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  Speaker 1: Or you don't want to have the you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to have the crowd going too crazy right at the
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  Speaker 1: start of the season.
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  Speaker 2: I think, no matter who, you're probably deferring.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're at fifty to fifty, someone is going
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  Speaker 1: to make a big play for Ohio State in the
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  Speaker 1: first thirty seven seconds of that game. So really the
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  Speaker 1: question is which which side of the ball, which said
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  Speaker 1: of the team is on the field. I'm gonna say, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to the two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: two season when the opening kick off against Texas Tech,
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Carpenter, true freshman, came flying down the field, made
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  Speaker 1: a big tackle.
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  Speaker 2: At the i don't know, eight ten yard line something
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: Really a tone setter for that game, and as it
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  Speaker 1: turned out that season, I am going to say, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: Garrett Stover makes the first big play of the season
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  Speaker 1: in a very similar situation, or Jaden Fielding does it
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  Speaker 1: by kicking the ball out of the back of the
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  Speaker 1: end zone.
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  Speaker 4: I thought you're going to go with Bobby Carpenter, I
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  Speaker 4: will say Jordan Hancock. I think a third and nine
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  Speaker 4: interception type or something like that, So I'll go Jordan Hancock.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for the super Chat.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so we've touched on Caleb Downs on defense,
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Downs on offense, Keleen Downs on special teams, so
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  Speaker 1: neither Klea Downs as a teammate.
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  Speaker 2: So I think we are out of Caleb.
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  Speaker 1: Down's topics to talk about to allow us talk about
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  Speaker 1: the other guy who's going to be probably pretty good
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  Speaker 1: for Ohio stated safety position, and that is Leathan Ransom.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Downs is asked about he you know, he.
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  Speaker 1: Has certainly been a the recipient of lots of preseason
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  Speaker 1: accolades and all Americans and all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and Leithan Ransom is just sort of also there and
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  Speaker 1: what does he think about that? And he's just like,
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  Speaker 1: it's nuts. It is crazy because Lathan Ransom is you know,
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  Speaker 1: He's expecting big, big things out of Lathan Ransom this year.
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  Speaker 1: The two of them together at the back of this defense.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like Downs is going to get all the attention,
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  Speaker 1: but the two of them together at the back of
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  Speaker 1: this defense could just change the entire picture for opposing offenses.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was watching a Michigan podcast. I won't mention
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  Speaker 4: the the outlet, but they were laughing about Leathan Ransom
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  Speaker 4: being back and the impact that he would have on
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  Speaker 4: this Ohio State defense.
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  Speaker 3: So I'll book my lake.
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  Speaker 1: Did they well, did they know he missed the second
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  Speaker 1: half of last season.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's it's whatever, Tom, It's whatever. But and I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to ask Matt Greory this. I was just running around.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't get a chance to.
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  Speaker 2: But like Matt, you listened to a lot of Michigan podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: What you want to hear and I heard on the internet
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  Speaker 3: listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: But just what that does for him as a coach
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  Speaker 4: to have Leathan Ransom back there, back for the entire
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  Speaker 4: defense and he's been around.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Ryan Day, We've talked about this many times.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: He was raving about Leith and Ransom as a true freshman,
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  Speaker 4: Like this kid has advanced and now he's you know,
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  Speaker 4: he's his fully realized self, hoping to be healthy for
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  Speaker 4: the entire season. Can do anything you want. He can
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  Speaker 4: play strong safety, you can play free safety. He spent
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  Speaker 4: a year or two playing nickel in the defense as well,
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  Speaker 4: and as a fantastic blitzer, but just a calming force
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  Speaker 4: in a defense that is going to be pretty havoc
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  Speaker 4: leyden So to have him as one of those pieces things.
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  Speaker 3: It's fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: And then you put those two together and then they
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  Speaker 4: think they interlock basically, and they make everybody stronger. So
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  Speaker 4: I think those two guys together fantastic. But no, Leathan
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  Speaker 4: Ransom is not being talked about enough. But again, he's
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  Speaker 4: even a little different than a proven commodity. He's more
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  Speaker 4: like an ignored commodity, like he's just he's just off.
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  Speaker 4: He's doing his own thing like some I'm wait for
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  Speaker 4: an interview. He's just chilling, you know, just whatever. And
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he cares.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think he is at all hung up
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  Speaker 1: on Oh I'm not getting enough attention.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: Frankly, he's probably happy to be out there after missing
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  Speaker 1: He got hurt in the Wisconsin game last year, which.
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  Speaker 2: Was Halloween weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I remember Wisconsin students being dressed up as big Bird
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  Speaker 1: and stuff in the stand, so it must have been
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  Speaker 1: Halloween weekend.
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  Speaker 2: But he missed the second half of the season. And
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't quite.
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  Speaker 1: Christian Bryant going down with that broken leg after in Northwestern.
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  Speaker 2: Was that also a Wisconsin game? It was also a
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin game.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't quite that level of a gap that from
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  Speaker 1: the twenty thirteen season. But you noticed him out there
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  Speaker 1: and the long, not long, but twenty whatever yard Blake
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  Speaker 1: Korum touchdown was well, Sunny Styles was out there and
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  Speaker 1: Korum made a cut and Styles was maybe it's a
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  Speaker 1: little off on his angle, and he kind of looked
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  Speaker 1: at that and went, well, I don't and Ransom might
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  Speaker 1: have gotten him down to the ground there, And so
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  Speaker 1: having him out there again this year probably going to
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  Speaker 1: make a pretty significant difference on the defense. The other
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  Speaker 1: there's lots of questions for Matt Greary about the younger guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say Keenan Nelson's name first, specifically sue
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  Speaker 1: that I do not say Keenan Reynolds because the Navy
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  Speaker 1: fan in my head wants to say Keenan Reynolds every
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  Speaker 1: time I think about him. Keenan Nelson, Yes, still out there,
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  Speaker 1: sort of working his way through. He seems like he's
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  Speaker 1: probably more of a twenty twenty five impact player rather
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  Speaker 1: than twenty twenty four Cayman Late, it will just st
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  Speaker 1: over the summer and South Carolina transfer their finite safety
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  Speaker 1: right now, more of a long term proposition.
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  Speaker 2: Jalen McLean sounds like he has really really impressed.
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  Speaker 1: Again not necessarily this year guy and Jaden Bonsu said
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  Speaker 1: the first reaction, the first thing that Matt Greary said,
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  Speaker 1: I love what I can Just when I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: bet I know what he's going to say, and he
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  Speaker 1: gets asked what jade and Bonsu first things that are
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  Speaker 1: a big hitter. Yeah, yeah, that's what everyone says about
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  Speaker 1: Jaja Boni. Yeah, it looks looks like it plays like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know that he got asked about. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I was not there when he got asked about Malik Hartford.
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  Speaker 2: Was there any questions behold Cartford.
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  Speaker 3: Gosh, maybe maybe I oh, did you well?
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  Speaker 2: Then Tony did not great, I.
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  Speaker 3: Forget, I forget what he said. Question. It was a
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  Speaker 3: really good question. Now. I did ask.
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  Speaker 4: Him like, would Malik be the third guy and the
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  Speaker 4: next guy and regardless at either spite And he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: probably because they teach them both spots. They don't want
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  Speaker 4: just one guy to be able to play one spot.
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  Speaker 4: So I would assume this is something we've talked about.
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  Speaker 4: He's the most experienced guy. He has played both spots.
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  Speaker 4: They like guys to be able to play both spots
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  Speaker 4: because as we've you've talked with Ross and others in
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  Speaker 4: the ex's nose portion of the buck Guy's tomorrow morning.
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  Speaker 4: When you've got your three, your two safeties, and your nickel,
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  Speaker 4: and the slot shifts over and comes over here, and
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  Speaker 4: now everybody rotates and your strong safety becomes your free safety,
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  Speaker 4: Your free safety becomes your nickel, your nickel becomes your
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  Speaker 4: strong safety. So you've got to be able to play
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  Speaker 4: all of those. And so yeah, he's he's doing well there.
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  Speaker 4: He said, he's getting more comfortable. We talked to Milike
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  Speaker 4: Carford a little bit, but he's still, you know, sophomore
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  Speaker 4: searching for that consistency. But the experience that he got
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  Speaker 4: last year is way more than most freshman safeties get.
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  Speaker 4: So that's only going to code well for this year.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know have we have We talked about
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  Speaker 1: the different position names. It feels like everyone just sort
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  Speaker 1: of needs a refresher this time of year. And we
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  Speaker 1: talked about the Mike Lydebacker and the same linebacker, all
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff at the safety position, the deep safety spot,
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  Speaker 1: which is gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Be Caleb Downs, that is the adjuster in Ohio States defense.
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  Speaker 2: Think of that.
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  Speaker 1: The traditional name is like a free safety. The bandit
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  Speaker 1: is the boundary safety. Traditionally, think of that as the
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  Speaker 1: strong safety position. That'll be Lathan Ransom this year.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The the adjuster is the traditional you think of that
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  Speaker 1: as the Malik.
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  Speaker 2: Hooker hooker position.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't ge past the Leak Hartford and the strong
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  Speaker 1: safety banned position. You typically think of that as like
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  Speaker 1: the Mike Doss position. So that's just when we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about the safeties there, and then the Nickel third back.
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  Speaker 1: It's really sometimes they classify him as a safety. Jordan
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  Speaker 1: Hancock came out was interviewed with the corner, so that
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  Speaker 1: tells me they consider him a corner. But that's those
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  Speaker 1: are sort of the two ish two and a half
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  Speaker 1: safety positions. There anything else on the safeties before we
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: move on to the unit for whom it.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: May very well be by you.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: No, let's hurry up, Please get to.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Uh, let's get to the year of the tight end.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: I did not hear anything of Keenan. Now I'm going
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: to take Keenan Reynolds again. Keenan Bailey.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Nelson Bailey no former Blue Jays.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Keenan Mariners Bailey, Ohio State tight ends coach were you
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: over there for any any of his interview.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: You know, because then somebody else came out, But I was.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: I did get to spend a time with Ji Scott
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: and Jilannie Thurman. And I'm sure people want to hear
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: about Jelannie Thurman because he's He's been getting a lot
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: of buzz from Ryan Day critically to start camp and
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: then praise were this most recent time that we talked
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: with Ryan and somebody asked him, Hey, what do you
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: think about Ryan Day talking about you like that?
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know what he say, So.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Steve means yeah, So Stephen means from Cleveland dot Com
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: goes ahead and pulls it up and gives it word
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: for word, and he's like, that's pretty nice.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: That's pretty nice when you hear stuff like that.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: But this was he seems very comfortable, very confident, but
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: not cocky confident and as I told you before the show,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: like confident and realistic, because he did say I expect
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: to play this year, but if I don't, it's my fault.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: And I will control how much I play by how
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: well I play, and and and he praised g Scott
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: for the leadership that he's provided and the fantastic camp
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: that he's had, that the g Scott has had. But
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: he's like, it's not about seniority, It's about who is
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: most ready to play, who is best for the team
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: they will play and it may not be me, but
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure that
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: it is, or to do everything I can to get there.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: And that same thing that g Scott said, you know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: this is his last year.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: His goal is to be the best version of himself,
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: to be the best player for Ohio State and whatever
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: that looks like. As long as he's given us all
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: and he's done everything he can, they'll be satisfied. But
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: with Jilanni, he's I've got a bunch of quotes from him,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: but you know he's like, I know, I'm a mess
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: maatch sometimes maybe a lot of times. You know that
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: sort of thing where he's six six, two hundred and
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: fifty five pounds and as Ryan Day said, he's he
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: has everything that you could want physically. It's just about consistency.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly what Jolani Fairman said, I just need
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: to be more consistent. If that consistency is there, he'll
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: be on the field.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It feels like we should start a consistency club with
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: guys who you've heard so many times over the years.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: You see flashes, you see it, but he does see
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: it more consistently, and that is something that generally, if
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you're hearing that, you're not seeing those guys on the
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: field until they feel that consistency and see that consistency
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: out there. Because when you're an Ohio State caliber team
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and you have the type of talent advantage that Ohio
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: State typically has, you just want consistency. They want, you know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: we talk they talk about this with the punters. They
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: want the punters to be able to hit the ball
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: between forty and forty four yards and have four seconds
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a hang time, because you don't need the guy who
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: sometimes hits it eighty but sometimes it's a twenty. You
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: want the guy who just you know what you're gonna get,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: because what you're gonna get, if you get what you're expecting,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: is going to be good enough to beat minimally ten
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: teams on the schedule this year.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And maybe maybe more.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I mean time.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: That's why Chipaul has dropped. You always used to know
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: what you were gonna get. Now you don't always know
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: what you're gonna get fewer people go.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll go a little longer. Befo. We're talking
• 18:35
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• 18:37
  Speaker 4: One Other Thing With Julannie, I asked him, you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: you play this developmental position.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: We talk about it all the time.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: What's it like trying to develop against the Ohio State defense?
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: And it's it's not easy. It's the whole time.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever heard of this iron
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: sharpening iron, but I did say, what's it like when
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: you have a bad day here? And he said, no
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: such thing as a bad day. They're just lessons. That's
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: pretty much you're in.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: That is a pretty mature answer, and that that feels
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: like something he's you know, not not because it's him,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: but it feels like something that you got told after
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you had a bad day.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: That feels like the kind of.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Coaching point that the fact that it has stuck with
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: him and resonated with him. That's That's typically something that
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: we will see here is we can kind of tell
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: what the coaches are saying to the players because we'll
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: hear it kind of over and over and over, iron
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: sharpening iron.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: To give you one example, that we haven't used on
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the show yet today.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he is someone who it feels like it's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: all in there and it's just a matter of, yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: does it get consistent, which is the things that I'm
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: sure everyone rolls their eyes about. Is got a block, Well,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you got to be consistent. That's what you got to do.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: To be a tight end to Ohio State, that's what
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you got to be. You gotta be able to handle
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the blitz pick ups. You want to be the running back,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it's great if you do all the other stuff. You
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: got to be able to do that stuff. It's it's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the real boring, nitty gritty stuff that actually makes a difference.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Somebody asking them how big are your hands? So he
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: showed his hands to the camera. He's like, I got
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: big bits, big for catching, good for catching, good for blocking.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: But he was he mentioned g Scott was Scott first.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: We talked to g Scott first, and he was talking
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: about how he was on Jilani all the time last year,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: like he didn't want to be like constantly on him,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: but he was on him.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: He had to be.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: He's on much less this year and they roomed in
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: fall camp both times. Jilani wasn't asked about how it
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: was Gie on you a lot last year. He's like, yeah,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't want to say it was annoying,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: so I won't. But yes, he was on me a lot.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That's a great way to handle that question. I don't
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: want to say this, so I won't next question. Just
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: to be clear, the reason I'm not saying is that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: is because I don't want to say that. Will Kasmeric,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the transferred tight end from Ohio University. He talked about
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: his transition to Ohio State. I did not get a
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: chance to ask him about his order of bagel Street Deli,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: which it will be too forever to my to my irritation,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: but I had to go run over and get some
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: clips with Caleb Downs. Kasmeric talked about the adjustment to
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Ohio State and just the adjustments to the speed of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the game, but also he said a lot of times
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: routes to him were I'm running a seven yard curl.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I run seven yards and then I turn around
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and he said.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I got here.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh no, there's a lot more to
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: it than that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And so just developing, and he said he's been talking
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to current teammates, former teammates. Former Ohio State walk on
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: turned Ohio University Star wide receiver turned La Rams.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I have to think about where they.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Play now, all these teams around Oakland. No, someone Cody
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Simon called them the Oakland Raiders. I'm like, my man,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they did not know where teams play. That's hey, that's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: my bit. You stay stay off the west side. The
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Kazmeric talked about working with Sam Wigglows, talking to him
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: about what he had learned from his time with the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Rams in terms of running routes, but just all the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: detail stuff. He said, why the why spot, Why ti
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: end spot is probably where he's most comfortable right now.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But there's just a lot of a lot of a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: lot of learning, a lot of development that's gone on
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: with him. But he certainly seems like he's someone who
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he and g Scott are one in one a probably
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: in some order in that tight end room with Jolnnie
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Thurman probably the next guy in the.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: List, Yeah, I would agree, and then Pat Gerd is
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: kind of his own thing. Is the h of the group,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I would think, But they could all do all of
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: those things. It's it's a deeper group than it was
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: in the spring. But I still think they all believe
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: they have room to grow.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely definitely room for growth. And it is
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: not going to be easier to replace Kate Stover Kate's Dover.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: This was not this interview session, but it was sometime
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: last week I think when one of the coaches we're
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: talking about kat Stover and Kate's Dover had maybe played
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: more snaps than you probably should have in the twenty
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: twenty two season, and replacing him is not going to
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: be easy. That's going to be a little bit of it,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and it takes a village kind of situation. One other
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: thing I did want to mentioned in terms of the
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Caleb Downs interview, he talked about going up against the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: offense and the running back, how talented the running back
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: room is, and he said quinch On Judd, quinch On Prey.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Those are kind of the two praises of the Bingo card,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: even James Peoples, and so, you know, not a big surprise.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Jans Pupils is a third guy. This is just one
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of these things.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Where if you're starting to work your way into that conversations,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it's for freshman.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a just file that one away. Feels like
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: that might be.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: You know, we are certainly expecting him to be the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: third running back of the off the bench in any
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: kind of second half of an achron game kind of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: situation or that kind of stuff. But it sounds like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he's really kind of earning his way into that kind
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of a role.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: And as we always say, just you listen for names
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: that come up unprompted, and when it's freshman like that,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: it's never meaningless to me.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Cody Simon came out little bonus coverage in the words
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: of the great Jerry Emig. Of course it is not lined,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: but Cody Simon not only named the captain, also the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: BLOCKO recipient. What was interesting to me was obviously very honored,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a little emotional maybe about about.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Being honored like that. But the blocoh, obviously means a
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: lot to him.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: But he said, just growing up, the idea of being
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a captain of a college football team was something he
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: really aspired to. His older brother played at Pitt. He
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: was only there for a couple of years after transferring,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: but he was a captain at Pitt. He earned his
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: captain spot relatively quickly after arriving at pitt So the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: idea of being a captain at Ohio State really meaningful
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: He could tell that really meant a lot.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And you asked him about his journey, because you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: he talked about the fact that, yeah, it'd be great
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to be a three year guy and first overall pick
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: in the NFL draft, Like, sure, that's great, but that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: not everyone's journey.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And he's had a little bit of a long and
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: winding road to get here.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: But he's really in a spot where he's set up
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to have a really special Last season.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: He was Ohio State starting middle linebacker as a sophomore,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: and now he's in his fifth year looking to become
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: a startup for the second time. And he started the
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: last five games or whatever last year. But this is
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the guy that I thought he was to the moon
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: like I was on a rocket ship, probably in his
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: own mind, and to be able to go through that
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: and stay grounded and not just stay grounded, but get
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: yourself up off the ground and be a leader in
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: his own way since then, because it's not like he
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: ever just blinked out, Like he's always been around and
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: he's always played, and he's always come out and talked
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: to us, and he's lived up to the mantle of
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: being an Ohio State linebacker and it's something he takes
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: great pride in. And he said he, you know, he
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: kind of dreamed and wished to be a captain, but
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: you never think about the block. Oh and then it
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: gets put on you. And he completely understands that. He
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: talked about what does it, what's what's what's the mean
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: to you, what's the message? And he pointed over to
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: the fight the sign down there and it says fight,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: and it's not about fighting your teammates. It's just fighting
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: through adversity, fighting to make sure that you are the
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: best version of yourself.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: And he's kind of I think he's gotten there.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: He's getting there, and we do have a couple of questions.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get to those them.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: And I just had a couple more things as I'm
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: scrolling through the videos, I tweeted out to remind myself
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of what I heard people say. Caleb Downs was asked
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: about the talent level at Ohio State right now compared
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to the teams that he saw and or participated in
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: last season. At the top of the sec of course,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: he was at Alabama they played Georgia last year they
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: played all you know, all the top of the sec
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: kind of teams.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: There was kind of a long pause at the start
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of his interview.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Because he was really, I think, thinking about how to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: answer the question and said, basically, yeah, the talent is
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the talent is there, but the talent is just one
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: piece of it. You can you can be extremely talented,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and if you don't come out prepared and Akron comes
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: out and is prepared and really detail focused and you're not,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: then that could be a game longer than you think
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it might otherwise be. So talent only gets you so far.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: The other thing that Cody Simon was asked about, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: this is something that we'll get asked about periodically on
• 26:55
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• 26:58
  Speaker 1: at Bucky Huddle dot com.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: People who are very interested in hearing more about the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: helmet radios.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And we have gotten a lot, you know, we ask
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: about them periodically and you kind of get the same
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: answer over and over again. He gave a different answer.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: He's talking about having the helmet on, having Jim Knowles
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: in his ear all the time and what that's like.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: That's something the coaches, I think are still trying to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: find that balance in terms of how much is too
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: much talking, how much is not enough talking. One thing
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that Cody Simon brought up was offenses they try and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: manipulate things to avoid giving the defense an advantage. So
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: perhaps breaking the huddle after fifteen seconds, because when the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: play clock hits fifteen seconds, the helmet radio shuts off.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: You can't the coaches can talk to you, they can
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: say whatever they want, they can read you the phone book,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and then once the play clock reaches fifteen seconds, the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: helmet radio shuts off. So it sounded like he was
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: anticipating maybe offenses waiting till fifteen seconds to break the huddle,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and then then your eyes in the sky, your defensive
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: coordinator upstairs can't tell you anything about the formation they're
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: in or any of that kind of stuff, which is
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: interesting to me.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: He was asked, also, is that something your offense is doing?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Is like, it's harder to do that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: In camp because you're not really doing it with the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: fifteen seconds and all that kind of stuff.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: But I thought that was interesting.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Well, and Knowle's even said last time I talked to him,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: he's not doing a lot of talking into the helmet.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: For part of the reason is he needs the players
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: to be able to figure it out because exactly what
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: you're talking about. If you can't tell them what you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: you've got to send in the play and then they're
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: gonna have to adjust down their own based on what
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: they're gonna see, just like they did or you've got hand,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: they'll go back to their signals and do it that way.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: And so it was interesting where he's like, you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: trying to hear it over the noise. I wonder if
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: we're getting how going to see defenses tell the home.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I can't hear you gonna Yeah, that's that's really interesting
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: because you can Normally you want thee to be as
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: loud as you want because of the defense is.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Boy, that's that's a really there's a lot of this
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: stuff that's going to be so interesting to see how
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: it plays out on the field. Do you he anything
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: else in your notes before Okay, let's get to a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: few questions from our wonderful audience. And before we get
• 29:09
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• 29:19
  Speaker 2: People would view as a positive thing. So all right, Kevin,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: what do we get? Yeah?
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Loaded up with Jordan Kapler first, not asking you to
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: make a prediction. If you could decide Ohio State's opening
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: play or even the entire drive, what would it be?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I want good answers only, so don't let Tony answer.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: All right, So, wow, the season the weather has turned,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and so has Jordan's opinion of hosts on this show. Fascinating, fascinating,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: both very welcome changes. If you ask me, let's so
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  Speaker 1: the question in case you had trouble hearing? What would
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  Speaker 1: be the ideal first play call for Ohio State? If
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you had a choice, what would your choice be in
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: terms of a play call, terms of maybe even a
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: first drive? If it's me and I know this is
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  Speaker 1: not an exciting answer. What did Ohio State not do
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  Speaker 1: consistently last year? Well, a lot of things, But what
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: did Ohios did not do consistently on offense last year?
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  Speaker 3: Run between the tackles, run between the run.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like this is not going to be you know,
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  Speaker 1: the fun answer is a triple reverse flee flicker, and
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're backed up here one yard line.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: You call it and don't be a coward to me.
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  Speaker 1: I think you want to go out there and you
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  Speaker 1: just want to hashtag establish it. As the kids say,
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  Speaker 1: just pound the ball. You've got a couple running backs.
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  Speaker 1: You set stuff up for later. Don't worry, there will
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: be plenty of time to pass the ball later. It
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  Speaker 1: just feels like you kind of you want to come
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  Speaker 1: out and make a statement that would be much more
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: of a statement than the Jeremiah Smith runs past some
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  Speaker 1: hapless former division to Kutztown State transfer.
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  Speaker 2: My answer, whoever's playing corner action? Okay, well there you go.
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  Speaker 2: So that's something. So there you go. So Tony, what's
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: your answer?
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  Speaker 3: QB Power? Now, I do expect them.
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  Speaker 4: You get six yards on first down and then you
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: then you open up everything on the playbook and you
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: don't have to do like you said, you don't have
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  Speaker 4: to do it all in the first drive. There's going
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: to be two entire quarters with which the first team
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: offense can operate one.
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  Speaker 2: And a half.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, but yeah, I think I think You're going
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to see them try to make a point to show
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  Speaker 1: the run in a way they had not necessarily been
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: able to show it last year. And that's partly you
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: got some good running backs. It's partly you've got the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: return of the QB run. It's partly the addition of
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Chip Kelly to the staff. I think all of that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: to me, says they are going to try to pound
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the rock a little bit at the beginning of the game,
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  Speaker 1: just sort of just sort of approve a point.
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  Speaker 2: Next up.
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  Speaker 5: The date, are they going to continue to wear the
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  Speaker 5: Guardian cap helmets during practice once the season starts.
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  Speaker 1: So Nate wants to know, are they going to continue
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to wear the Guardian cap helmets that sort of padded
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  Speaker 1: the helmet covers that they've been wearing during practice. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: those are going to be Those are mandatory team mandated
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  Speaker 1: for this season. Last year that was an optional thing,
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  Speaker 1: and you saw certain guys.
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  Speaker 2: Especial guys who had maybe gotten a concussion earlier in
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the year. You saw some of those guys wearing it.
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  Speaker 1: Brian I said a couple of weeks ago that they
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  Speaker 1: got information from the NFL in terms of studies, in
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  Speaker 1: terms of how that had worked and impacts at the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: NFL level, and it sounds like the results were good,
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  Speaker 1: so therefore they have mandated that for all players for
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the practices. It did not sound like it is not
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  Speaker 1: mandatory during games. I'm not expecting to see anyone wearing
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: them during games. But I did see there was one
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  Speaker 1: guy on maybe the Indianapolis Colts maybe who.
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  Speaker 2: Was where it was Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so Jonathan Taylor, former Wisconsin running back and current
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  Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts running back who did.
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  Speaker 2: Wear it during a preseason game.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's planning to work in the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: regular season or not, but I guess theoretically you could
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: wear it during a game. But it sounded, based on
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: what Ryan Day said last week, like that was not
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: something they were expecting people to be dealing.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: How are you gonna get the QR code on there?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: It's a good it's a good question. Would you like
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: to explain the joke or would you like this? Move on?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Move on?
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  Speaker 3: It's your show. I don't win any exposition. Alex Tripp.
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  Speaker 5: How many snaps will downs play at running back this season?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: How many snaps will downs play at running back this season?
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  Speaker 2: Tony I will take.
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  Speaker 1: We sort of talked about this at the beginning of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the show, and I'm trying to remember what I said
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I still feel like I think I kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of gotta see it before I believe it. So I'm
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: going to say I'm going to say zero is the
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  Speaker 1: most likely answer.
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  Speaker 4: I I think we're going to see it the seriousness
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  Speaker 4: with which it has been talked about, and not some
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  Speaker 4: Mike DAWs in two thousand and two, when Jim Tressel
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: would joke about it, or he would joke about it,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: you know because Chris Campbell like doing it and like
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: I want to do it too, or Murray's clarette saying
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  Speaker 4: he wanted to do it. Of course he didn't end
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: up playing in two thousand and three to do it,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, it was always kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in jest. This doesn't feel like jess. It's very much emergency,
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  Speaker 4: but you know it is. Is there a good reason
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  Speaker 4: to do it if you don't need to do it?
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  Speaker 1: Well. Downs was asked about which side of the ball
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: are you more likely to get hurt on, and he
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: thought about it for a while and then said, probably offense,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: because you're absorbing the blows on that side of the ball.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Smart well, he said. He did say his goal on
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: every play was to score.
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  Speaker 1: So if you do that correctly, if you if you
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: can execute that game plan, that would impact your.
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  Speaker 2: Your likelihood of getting hurt.
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  Speaker 1: It just feels to me like he's so vi able
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to them on defense, and they have other guys on
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: offense and they can put you know, Brandon Innis is
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: someone who we've talked about a bunch recently in terms
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of really making a leap in terms of the wide
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: receiver depth chart. He's also someone we've sort of heard
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: mentioned as a possibility if you got to a bright
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: glass in case of emergency. On offense at the running
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: back spot, it feels to me like you're going to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: see Brandon in this take a snap at running back
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: before you say Caleb Downs, and you're certainly going to
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: see Brandon in thiss have thirty carries before you.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: See Caleb Downs. Almost certainly.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe you see Downs out there once or twice just
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to sort of, like I said, stir stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Up and give people something to worry about.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: But it just that doesn't feel to me like something
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that's going to be a significant part of the offense.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Was that was that a question about snaps or carries?
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  Speaker 4: Would you would you say one snap on offense just
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: as a decoy, just to just to get people thinking
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and talking.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, all say once now, I will say once just
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to just to give myself a chance to play both
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: sides of the fender.
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  Speaker 5: Next question, Rusty Jesse I joined late. If Cody Simon
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: gets hurt through a competitive game, who are the two linebackers?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: So, Tony, if Cody Simon gets hurt during a game,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: who are the two linebackers?
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I think right now it's still going to be Gabe
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Powers stepping in for Cody Simon. Arvel Reese is coming on,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: but he's a sophomore Gave Powers. This is his third year,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: so it would be him as the MIC. And then
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: either you know, I assume Sonny Styles is gonna be
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: the starter at will. And if the question is about
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: could c. J. Hicks and Sonny Styles be on the
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: field together as the two linebackers. I did ask Jim
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Knowles last week where are those two in terms of
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: being able to play Mike because he does want that position,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: those two positions to cross train and be able to
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: play both and he said, they've they've only done it
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: a little, and it's probably not something they're looking to
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: do because those two guys c J. Hicks and Sunny
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Styles also play the sam and they're they're not they're
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: still learning, still mastering the will. So you don't want
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: to give them too much. You don't want to give
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: them we need you to play all three positions, to
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: do all free positions when they're still trying to be
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: the best will they can be, and we don't. Neither
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: one of them has started a game at will, so
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: there's still some some proving.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: To do the correct and you got to remember this
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: is Sunny Style's first year at linebacker period at the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: college level, so yeah, that's going to be quite an adjustment.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: So yes, I would agree, it's probably Gay Powers.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Now it maybe somebody else in two weeks.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: It could be. Yeah, it could be some more fort Wayne.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Is it crazy to think that eight or nine defensive
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: starters will be on one of the All Big Ten
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: teams at the end of the year.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: So is it crazy to think that eight or nine
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of the defensive starters could be on one of the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: All Big Ten teams at the end of the year.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy at all. I mean first team,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: second team, third team, and then do they do honorable
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: mention to they do.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: So, which starters aren't going to at least honorable mention?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I think you you're very likely going to get three
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to four defensive linemen. You're gonna get both linebackers, maybe
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: three linebackers, at least two. Which of the corners, Which
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of the five defensive backs is not going to be
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: on one of them? I think, honestly, I think eight
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: is low and nine might be low.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: If we're just talking to like first three teams or whatever, Yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: I would agree. I think it's now. Jordan Hancock didn't
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: even make counterable mention last year. But again, voters, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: you got a team that's voted on by media, team
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: that's voted on by coaches, and it's I think he
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: gets overlooked. I know, I know he gets overlooked. David's
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: not Iguanosen is getting overlooked. I think it was just
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Denzel Burke and Caleb Downs were like on the the
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: blet Nikoff or the Thorpe Ward watch lists.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And I get the sense that Ohio State's gonna be
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: playing enough high profile games and everyone's gonna be watching.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Everyone's been watching the Organ game. Everyone's gonna be watching
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the Penn State game, Everyone's watching the Michigan game.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Opportunities to shine. You're probably gonna have some real shiny stats.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: You're probably gonna have a team that is ranked very,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: very highly, and a defense that is going to be
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: almost certainly the best in the Big Ten. If you
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: have all of those things, you're checking an awful lot
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: of the boxes in terms of what people are looking
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: at when they're voting on those whole conference teams.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Last one I had Jordan Kampler, how do you think
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: the second team offense would fare against the second team defense?
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: So? How do you think the second team offense would
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: fare against the second team defense? You know, if they
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: let us watch these scrimmages, we'd have a much more
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: detailed answer on this. I think a lot of this,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and boy, this is challenging this fall because they just
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: haven't had five healthy offensive linemen for the ones and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the twos. So I feel like we haven't really gotten
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a true sample of what this looks like. The line play.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: A lot of this to me comes down to the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: line play and I think I like the defensive line
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: better than the offensive line, which to me probably suggests
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: not a dominant performance by the defensive twos, but probably
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: winning more than fifty percent of the snaps.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: That's where I go as well the defensive line. But
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I will say the second team offensive line is going
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: to come out of this camp much better than they
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: went in, and the coaches are going to feel better
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: about them because of the way they've been forced to
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: step up with. You know, like Austin Seervel playing left
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: tackle is new and doing it relatively well for being
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: a guard, having to do it with the ones and
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: the twos and and that kind of experience. And whoever
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Carson hisman or taker Shabola is going to be with
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: the twos and that's that's going to be a starter
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: worthy player. So but I would I would agree with
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: the defensive line. But you know, the secondary. The corners
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: are good, the safeties are young. But is Devin Brown
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: gonna have time to throw the ball?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: That's so much of the game is won and lost
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: in the trenches, and it feels like that's kind of
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: where you have to go in a sort of a
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: theater theoretical thing, backup corners. I like Jermaine, Jermaine Matthews
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: going up against well Brandon, this is playing the slot.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: So Brandon against.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Lorenzo, Yeah he could. Yeah, Jermaine Matthews could be inside.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I like Jermaine Matthews against probably just about anyone he
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: might be matched up against.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Safeties are young.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: But yeah, to me, I just go back to the Yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I'm imagining Ken Jackson.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, So that's that's.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Been a favorable matchup for the second team offensive line.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Well, Tony, I'm looking around the building and we have
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: defeated the entire rest of the beat last people streaming
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to you live, and that we hit what he hates
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Athletic Center on this Tuesday night, this lovely Tuesday night
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in central Ohio. And great news, Tony, we will be
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: back again tomorrow. Talking to that defensive line, can you
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: out of Jackson and some of the some of the
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: you know and the rest? Can you out of Jackson
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and the rest? As they describe the Ohio State twenty
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: twenty four defensive line. Talking to Larry Johnson as well,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I was like talking to Larry about all the all
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the good stuff that Larry likes to likes to talk about,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and so we'll be that's gonna be obviously quite a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: quite a lot to learn from those guys. Got Jack
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Sawyer captain on this year's team, a lot of a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: lot of industries have to talk about. And then Thursday
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk offensive line and anyone else or is
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: that it? I think that might it might just be
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line tomorrow.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: And linebacker we're talking.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I think we've talked to everyone except for and then
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Thursday Day and pay.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Okay day, Ryan Day as well on Thursday's coach, Yes, Ran,
• 42:51
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• 42:52
  Speaker 2: They's that's what That's what I call it Thursday because okay,
• 42:59
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