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A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) · Citizen Frame

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This is it, Jennifer! Your big break in TV! Fuck the front time, bitch!
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Music.
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I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy!
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Music.
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All right, guys, it's time to come to an end, an end of our Nightmare on Elm
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Street retrospective where we last left off.
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It was bittersweet. We had a nice little send-off with a new nightmare,
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and that was kind of the end of the Fandora-burned, creepy, pedophile man,
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as we know as Freddy Krueger.
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Now, we talked about Freddy versus Jason and in the Friday 13th retrospective,
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and we're not going to go over that again.
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If I'm not mistaken, you can certainly correct me, Trevor. We both actually
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rather quite, it was clever, and we quite enjoyed it.
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Yeah, it's entertaining. Salinas, yeah. Yeah, but it was still dark and brutal, you know?
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You kind of, you had the happy medium between the shit we were getting with the nightmares,
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but a nice element of the real, you know, the more blended, less tongue-in-cheek,
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in there as well so they balanced it
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well i think ronnie i think ronnie you sort of he
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was a very you know sensible choice to come
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on board he sort of knew what he was doing with it well he yeah yeah but i mean
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it's not perfect but i think he did it yeah but if i remember rightly it's been
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over a year since i watched it for you know i re-watched it basically for the
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the jason in retrospective,
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Friday the 13th retrospective, but I remember kind of enjoying it, you know?
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Yeah. So if you guys want to listen to that retrospect, we got a whole Friday
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the 13th retrospective is available.
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Yes. I see we get quite a few downloads on that, so we'll thank you for that.
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You're probably revisiting it
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as we mentioned it through this retrospective, but it is in our last one.
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I believe it's mixed with the 2009 remake, so it's actually a really good podcast.
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We're actually happy to have two solid films after the shit we're going through.
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Jason goes to hell, I remember It would be my least favourite of the Jason ones
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Yeah, we argued in that one Yeah But that was, you know, good banter on those
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Friday 13s And I always revisit them myself They're actually good fun, so check them out,
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But what we did on that Friday the 13th retrospective, we kind of went outside
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the box and we wanted to talk about where he went, what Jason was so popular.
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And we talked about a TV show that they put out. They marketed,
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the creators of Friday the 13th marketed to Friday the 13th fans,
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but it's not a Friday the 13th series.
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I remember it. Yeah, it's called Friday the 13th the series.
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And quite misleading. Remember watching it? It was quite misleading.
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Unfortunately, you know, it's too bad they misled the audience because the series
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wasn't bad. It was about an antique shop and each relic inside that shop would tell a story.
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And then something would happen and these adventure hunters in that shop would try to solve it.
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It was actually not a bad concept. It was doing okay, besides the misleading title.
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But it was all right. If you ever get a chance to check it out,
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it wouldn't hurt. It's not a bad little watch.
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I'm not giving a massive pass recommendation, but what the hell?
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I haven't seen the friday the 13th series since
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i was a kid but i remember enjoying it at the time
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along with another one we're going to talk about freddy's nightmares
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but the yes i remember being sort of miffed how
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they had sort of called it friday the 13th but there was no jason in it used
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to show it late night on channel 4 here i believe it was channel 4 and i would
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have sort of i always liked my sort of anthology series horror series back then
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you know still do yeah and if If you're prepared going in, not knowing it's Jason-esque,
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you might get more out of it.
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Yes, I would say so. Well, this leads us to Freddy. Nightmare on Elm Street
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in its prime in the late 80s.
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They went balls to the wall with the TV show. Boy.
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It ran for two seasons, 44 episodes of this shit.
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But I will say this. I watched a couple. We had a viewer who actually asked
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us if we were going to do it. And we actually do have it.
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We did have it already in store to talk about it briefly.
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And Paul, thank you. But either way, Paul, thanks for the shout out.
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Yeah, we're all prepared for this one.
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But it's nice that you're listening.
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But anyways, this was 44 episodes.
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And I watched a handful of them, so I'll be fair here.
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What happened was they had balls-to-the-wall rights, and they were in syndication,
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so they could do anything they wanted.
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There was no censure because they were on late night, like Friday night at midnight
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or something like that. Yeah, one of the cable channels in the U.S.? Yeah.
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And so they went all out.
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And if you like this, it kind of reminded me of Benny Hill.
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Meets mighty python meets bad roger
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corman horror yeah it's a bit bonkers i
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i remember enjoying it again as a kid what they did over here i don't believe
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i could be wrong but i don't believe it was actually shown here in the uk at
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the time but what they used to do is they used to get two episodes 245 minute
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episodes and basically put them out on video here so i was like renting them
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them from my video shops.
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They did. They were like double episodes. They did that in the States.
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Yeah. Because it wasn't, it wasn't, it was in syndication, so it wasn't mass produced on all these.
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Yes. So you could be in Minnesota and not really see it, but it did come out. I got to catch it on TV.
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Yeah, it'll come out to, like you said, they did the same thing with Masters
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of Horror a few years later.
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The series has, you had regular directors, but there's some real talent in the,
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the best ones could be No More Mr.
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Nice Guy, Which is pretty much the origin of Freddy And that was directed by
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Tobey Hooper And as we all know from Texas and Poltergeist,
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Yes. And it played, you know, the sets were obviously on a stage.
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They weren't on location. They couldn't afford to be doing that.
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But I'll tell you what, it did, it pushed the envelope.
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What this series does, it's, again, going back to that happy medium I talked
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to just a second ago with Freddie versus Jason.
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It blends humor, obviously, and a little tongue-in-cheek banter,
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but it really dives into the fact that this guy was a sicko.
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Yeah but the issue i do have
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with that i watched it re-watched a couple of episodes for
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the podcast i watched that um that first one
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the pilot and also the mcgaris one you know about the the
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necklace the amulet thing but yeah the sort of retcon the original film you
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know what happened to freddie i mean where were nancy's parents where was john
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saxon you know you could have had them there but played by different actors
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so that sort of niggled me but the acting's ropey oh it's bad bad, guys.
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I'm going to be blunt here. I wouldn't recommend it.
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There's a couple. It's kind of like the Friday the 13th we just talked about.
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Friday the 13th, sorry. The Nightmare on Elm Street we just talked about.
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And how there's flashes of hope here. We just talked about Freddy's Dead,
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which had some really good elements, but they went hokey instead and ruined it.
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This is what this does. There's a really nice, there's one called,
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oh my God, what's it called?
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Struck to by, I, there's one called Beef Boy Burger.
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Right, yes. It's about a kid whose father owns these chains of restaurants,
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Beefy Boy Burger, and his father pretty much makes him work all these overnights
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by himself and it's how he deals with that and how Freddie taunts him and stuff.
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And that was, that was a decent one.
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The first handful are actually pretty good. And that's because you've got Tom
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McLaughlin, I think did that one, who we talked about with, you know, Jason Lives.
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Yes. Yeah, Toby Hooper did the first one. You got Mick Garrison there.
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You've got William Malone, who I like as a director. You've got some really
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good directors here in the beginning.
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Yeah. And then they started cutting budgets and complaints were coming in.
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So as that was happening, the episodes got worse.
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But my point, long story short, is the Beefy Boy Burger, you really felt sorry for this kid.
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And then the other one was called My Sister's Keeper, which is actually a very
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clever story, which it could have made a pretty good movie after all the crap we just watched.
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It's about two twin sisters. One's a party girl, one's not, one's more of a
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nerdy girl, but the nerdy girl is the one having the nightmares, right?
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Yes. But you know how Nancy would come out of her nightmare and she'd have a
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burn in her arm or something? Like, yeah.
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Instead of her getting it, her sister's getting the wounds.
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I remember that one from when I was a kid, and certainly I also remember the,
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you know, the blonde twins from the,
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or they're not twins, they're blonde sisters from the pilot,
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you know, know the cop's daughters you know i
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remember them so do have but yeah i mean i was
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just about to say something similar i think there was a lot of good stories here
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you know especially for an anthology horror series and some
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of them didn't even weren't even about freddie you know
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and such as you know the mcgarris one where it's more about this sort of magical
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sort of necklace that's passed down from the dead mother to the daughter she's
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a runner so there's some yeah definitely some good stories but yeah it's like
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sort of filmed on videotape and stuff and sometimes you know there there was
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obviously budgetary problems.
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David J. Schou, he also wrote one of the later episodes as well.
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So, you know, and I watched the documentary about, you know,
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the Elm Street documentary, as we've referenced throughout this retrospective,
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and Mick Garris and stuff are interviewed, and they admit, yeah,
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it was a bit crazy, the series, you know,
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Do you know what? Mick Garris even said it got terrible. It was terrible. He even admits it.
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And I'm not disrespecting the actually directors who did most of them.
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The ones I'm mentioning, Mick Garris, Dwight Little. Dwight Little,
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you know him from Halloween 4 and Murder of 1600.
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Just a solid little director. He and Robert Englund himself,
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Tom McLaughlin, John Lafayette of Chucky fame, they only did like one in the
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beginning of the first season.
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Then it kind of, that's when, once you kind of, and I hate saying this,
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kind of got rid of those guys and you couldn't get any, you know,
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you just got guns for hire at this point.
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Yes. The material sank. And by the time you got to the second season,
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it was just really balls of all bad.
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To be honest, I would have to, you know, to give a fair comment,
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I would have to sort of watch all of the episodes.
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Again, I did watch a couple, as I said, for this podcast.
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There's not decent enough stories for, you know, a type of anthology series,
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but I think it's very much a case of going by what, you know,
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Mick Garris and the interview guys and all said, and you're saying here now,
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basically, you know, sort of, it was what it was, you know?
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You know? Yeah. And that's okay. You know, I mean, what I re-watched of it,
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it is, you know, sort of very much that sort of 80s sort of cheese TV horror show vibe.
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So, you know, you know, it's not, you know, Freddie basically is the Crypt Keeper,
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you know, from Tales from the Crypt and stuff, you know?
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And you know, yeah, that's okay. You know. Yeah.
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The whole series dwells around people's dreams. Freddy might not be part of it.
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He might just make the whole. He might, yeah. He's like, you know,
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the crypt keeper, like you said.
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So he'll, he'd pop in the middle and go, oh my God, he's in trouble or something stupid. Yeah.
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He'll run away. And the whole thing is focused on people's dreams.
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Yeah. And what happens if they go out and come out of control, that go out of control.
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That's all it is. I think there was only eight episodes in total that were actually
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about Freddy or actually you know Freddy. Yes. You know being a bastard basically.
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And those are the ones about with Mick Garris and McLaughlin and all these guys.
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But you know if you're a fan of,
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the series I wouldn't be I wouldn't watch it if you like Nightmare on Elm Street
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the original or the one we're about to talk about but I would recommend it if
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you like the hokiness of Dream Warriors and Freddy's dad.
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Now, if you like those, you actually might like to enjoy it, but don't.
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It's not freddie ask it's not going to be robert england
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doing full-time acting here on all these episodes yeah
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yeah it's basically it's a bit silly but
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like i say some good stories there's one that always sticks
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out in my mind from childhood watching where it was
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something like and it sounds a bit crazy like but uh it's basically
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these girls are are in hospital or
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something or some sort of it might even be the same clinic that nancy
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works in in the third one you know like the dream clinic
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and where basically they have developed this machine
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that can actually video record people's dreams so and
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freddy's you know jumping about in their dreams but they've got like video recording
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it you know while these people are dreaming it it's all a bit you know crazy
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but yeah that's what it is yeah but some of the stories like i said kind of
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would work better than some of the crap we're just watching thanks to the success
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of 2009's friday 13th remake they They were going to jump right on board to
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get the Nightmare on Elm Street ready to go.
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Some controversy that Robert Englund wasn't returning.
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To be honest with you guys, you shouldn't just because it's a reboot remake.
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There's no point bringing the original back for that.
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And so we, they quickly jumped on board and got Jackie Earle Harley, who, who I like a lot.
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I, particularly his story.
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I like the fact, what a comeback. This guy, I remember him from the Bad News
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Bears when I was a kid in the seventies, when he was a young kid himself.
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And Breaking Away, it's a good movie of Dennis Quaid and himself.
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And then he, you know, he's not leading man material.
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So he ended up delivering pizzas and doing odd jobs all the way up till he got
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a small role in a thing called Little Children where he played a pedophile.
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Pedophile, yeah. And yeah, it was Little Children where he was nominated for an Oscar.
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Where he, ironically enough, played a pedophile, which we'll get to here in a moment.
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Rorschach, the most popular character in the Watchmen series.
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These all came out around the same time.
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And he's been, you know, working steadily since.
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You know, Robocop, the reboot he was good in, playing to his strengths.
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So I just like that story that he's come, you know, he's a second career,
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which I really like to see, or second resurgence.
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Fair play to him. I also believe that due to the tonal, the huge tonal difference
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in this film compared to the, well, the Elm Street sequels that came before,
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I don't think it would have made sense to bring Robert Unglund on board.
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Yeah, this is a new Freddy. They're not, and I, and I, and I,
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and I applaud them for that.
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We talked about how the only thing I didn't like about Freddy's too tiny.
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So what do they do? They get a tinier actor. Yeah, it was just a way to say.
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But I thought about it. They couldn't go with our Kevin Bacon or or David Warner,
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they would have to stick with a tiny version.
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And the reason I say that, because we're going to get really a disturbing version
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of Freddy before he became Freddy.
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And he's a nerdy-esque character.
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He's kind of likable. And. And.
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And there's a nice misdirect in this film. And so we, we have to,
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we have to like him initially.
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And I think that's why, cause if you've got somebody tall and dark,
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you know, Kevin Bacon ass, he's going to be intimidating and scary right there.
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Yeah. Straight from the off. Yes. I would say as well that it's,
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I wouldn't say so much, you know, at first you like him, it's more,
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you feel sorry for him, but then there's the sort of rug powder.
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Yes. That's well, yeah, it all goes hand in hand, But so yeah,
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I believe that's why you couldn't make him hulking.
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Yes. Yes. He's very much like a witty sort of guy, like a wee sort of small
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sort of, you know, well, I wouldn't say gentle, but at first he appears that way.
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All right. For this one, well done with the cast. Get some talented people here.
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Kyle Garner, who we talked about with Smile and Scream 5.
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We got Academy Award winner Rooney Amara. It plays Nancy,
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Katie Cassidy, David's daughter, i like to
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say plays chris thomas decker jesse kellen lutz
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is dean the great clancy brown of course is cop guy
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and connie britain who i always like to see so nice
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to see a sober mom well and saying that there was also nice to see the the return
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of asshole parents because i like my asshole parents in the nightmare on elm
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street films all right they weren't like basically you know alcoholic sort of
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sluts basically but yeah but at least they were still assholes in other their ways.
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Yeah. But what's good about the film is that there's no teeny bopper scenes,
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not to take away from Nightmare, the original Nightmare, but you had that scream-esque
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high school huddles and sleepovers and the dances and shit like that.
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This, these people, these kids are already damaged.
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Yes. You're already in there and you're into, you know that from the very first scene.
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Now this movie got panned. I mean, panned.
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It made 120 million worldwide on 35 million budget. And that's just because people hated it.
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And I'm going to be with my cards on the table guys.
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Are you fucking kidding me? I don't get it. This take, I just, I don't get it.
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It is a very dark, dark take on an already dark film.
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I'm going to shock you here, and I'm going to say that I agree with you.
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Basically, I think what the problem is, it's weird because I was reading up
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on this, and even the cast and crew were saying that they regretted it,
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and they think they made a mistake, but I really don't.
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You know what I think the problem is? I think it's so tonally different from
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the wisecracking Freddy that everybody knew.
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I think that's what upset the fans, and even the critics who were basically
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expecting something in a similar vein.
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Maybe they were expecting something a little darker, but basically something
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similar i i think what hurts this
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film is that it is it's too serious and too
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dark but i i personally found
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found it all i i mean i first watched this whenever it was released out of the
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dvd so i'd only watched it once before coming to this podcast and watching it
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again and i i remember the opening scene in the final scene but i remember thinking
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that it it was quite forgettable but on this rewatch for the podcast i found it very compelling
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you know we always talk about reboots remakes and they're fine i'll take them,
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But as long as you don't damage the source material. Now, I'm not talking two,
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three, four, and five, and six. I'm talking the first one, okay?
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Nightmare on Elm Street will always be better than this because it's the original.
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I always believe Alien will be better than Aliens because they're the originators.
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Yes, of course. They are the go-to. They set the groundwork.
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But what this film does, it doesn't damage that source material.
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If you almost change the names, they actually did in this one,
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but you still have Nancy in it, is the lead.
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But you could have almost, this is the sequel that could have been,
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but. Oh yeah. It's not, it's obviously a reboot.
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But the, I mean, the diner scene, before you even get the title, the titles,
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the Nightmare on Elm Street title onto it, we get a very disturbing and bloody
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death that looks like suicide by just pretty much ripping his own head off with a blade.
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Yeah. And that's the death scene of Dean.
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Yes. I mean, you clearly see, and we talked about the acting.
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I know the actors in that, I'm sure you've gone on to do other things.
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And they, like we talked about Heather Leathercam's journey and she's done really
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well for herself, Johnny Epp clearly and so forth and so forth. Rich Arquette.
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But I do think a lot of the acting is, you know, hokey, but there's no hokey in this, this acting.
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This is completely, they sell. It's all played dead straight.
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You kill him, Lutz, who's this big, tall jock looking guy.
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He is, you can tell right away from these opening sequence, he's vulnerable and so forth.
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And this whole diner sequence is just so beautifully shot.
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It's directed by Sammy O'Bayer who does music videos and it does have that music
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video kind of feel, but it's not like bubblegum music video.
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No. It's almost something Dining Snails would maybe do. Yeah.
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Yeah, so you're pretty much. It's Grimm and play it dead straight from the off.
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Exactly. So you're pretty much known, Dean and Chris are going to be your main
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characters, and then you're thrown off when Dean ends up taking his life with a knife.
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And Chris is obviously playing the Tina role.
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Yes. Played by Katie Cassidy.
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And this whole thing, I think you kind of mentioned a little bit,
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the first time Realme Street always lets you know, hey, we're playing it safe.
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We'll have a little fun banter, some, you know, teeny bopper humor just to keep
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like, you know, it's only, it's only, it's only a dream, but I guarantee you,
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Wes, I don't know what Wes thought about this.
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So I, I never looked up. I actually should have, because I almost think this
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is what Wes would have liked to have told just because they,
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they focus on the pedophile period.
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That's it. Well, in fact, in fact, what I love about this, he doesn't kill kids.
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I like the fact he's a molester. I know that sounds horrible to be saying that,
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but this whole podcast, we've been saying, they've been playing,
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no, no, he killed kids. They only mention it kind of briefly.
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No, the guy is a pedophile. And this one, they rip out the killing of the kids
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and put in that he's a pedophile.
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It's all back this one. With Ballsy. Yes. And I don't think Wes could have got
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away with that back in the mid eighties.
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No although if you look at things like last house on
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the left and stuff you could even argue that this elm street
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is more in sort of tone and the
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same sort of well not to say but more in tone with last
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house on the left and the original nightmare on elm street
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you know if this was just film in
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and of itself and the named the character
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a different name i think it would have been getting glowing
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reviews but obviously it's freddy krueger it's
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a nightmare on elm street remake and you know as
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a rule i'm not particularly fond of remakes but this
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does something they you know i
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think there's a lot to be praised about this and i think it's i also think it's
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grossly underrated yeah because i'm a big fan of mr x and this film is full
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of them you have the funeral you have their funeral scene and first we think
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freddy's going to come back and get the kids of of the people that killed them.
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So you're introduced to Clancy Brown and Connie Britton, the two main parents,
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and you know, right away they're hiding something.
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And so we go with what we know. They killed him. He's come to get revenge, but it flips it.
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He's not there to get revenge on them. He's there to get revenge on the kids who snitched on him.
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Yeah. And we find out that these kids went to preschool and
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they all went together and they've kind of
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separated one and the kids have kind of forgotten who
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Freddy was what a wonderful redirect from the original material yeah it's basically
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although yeah he's not out to get a revenge on the parents he's actually the
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kids themselves he's out to get because they basically told on him because he was a pedophile.
24:00
Yes, exactly what I just said. Thank you. Yes, for backing her up. For just emphasizing.
24:06
I'm backing you up and you're fucking knocking me? Whoa, fuck me.
24:11
That's a different level of asshole.
24:12
Why don't you go watch Squirtle? Even for you? Forget it. I was going to go
24:17
back to Squirtle and Cowboy.
24:21
But yeah, and then it plays on the fact that.
24:28
He may have been innocent. He might have been innocent. Now,
24:31
I think that's the one downfall.
24:33
No, I think that was right. No, no, no. I mean, sorry. Now, it's downfall.
24:38
It's clever, but I wish it stuck with that.
24:41
I'd rather it had been he was innocent the whole time.
24:45
Yeah. That would have been a really powerful twist where actually the reason
24:50
he's out for revenge on the kids is not because they told on him.
24:54
It's because he was innocent. That would be a real twist.
24:58
Yes. That's where I thought they were going.
25:01
But I think they decided, listen, we can't have this guy.
25:05
We have to make him the bad guy because that would really piss people off.
25:11
And then because I think the problem with that, that you come out of there somber and depressed.
25:16
And so you had to have the villain. I agree with what you're saying.
25:20
And the funny thing is they weren't here to make a sequel. Right.
25:24
They were here to do a one-off film. There's no way the studio was thinking
25:27
a sequel to this, even in whatever direction they took, because where'd you go with it? It's so dark.
25:34
You cannot take this. They probably would have, to be fair, if it had taken off.
25:39
In fact, in actual fact, Jackie or Hayley or Harley, whatever it is,
25:44
he was actually signed on for two or three films, actually.
25:47
So it was Rooney and Mara for at least two films. But I know what you're saying as well,
25:51
because it's hard to take this somewhere else, and it would have i think got
25:54
a lot sillier if they hadn't made sequels to it
25:57
but i think essentially why they didn't go
26:00
for you know the fact that it turns out that
26:02
he was innocent even though it's set up like that is
26:05
because basically everybody would have been on freddy's side they didn't want
26:09
freddy krueger i know sort of with robert england you know his freddy he became
26:13
like the sort of lovable boogeyman but i with this i i just just don't think
26:19
that they They sort of were afraid of audiences being too much on Freddie's side.
26:24
If he had been innocent, if it turned out that he was innocent.
26:29
There's a particular scene, the flashback scene, where he's running from Clancy Brown and stuff.
26:33
And you don't know yet. The first time you watch this, you don't know, is he innocent or not?
26:39
And they're chasing him and he's going, I didn't do anything.
26:41
You do feel sorry for him.
26:43
And that's why I brought up you had to go with a
26:46
smaller actor character because you gotta make
26:49
him vulnerable in the beginning totally totally totally
26:52
yeah and even the scene you know where he's in the garden and stuff you know
26:56
with it's again another flashback it's like you're sort of he you know he seems
27:01
a bit harmless and stuff and it's very well handled let's just say uh you have the scene where.
27:10
Where Chris gets it. Yes. Big nod to Tina's death.
27:15
It is more brutal, I think, than Tina's. And the reason I say that,
27:19
I don't know how to explain it.
27:21
She's just thrashed around like the shark's doing to the swimmer in the beginning of Jaws.
27:28
Just bang, the sound effects of the, of he's banging her so hard through the
27:33
walls and the ceiling and the floor.
27:34
You can hear the swoosh and the
27:37
impact of her hitting and then it's just one sharp blade
27:41
well the blades through her stomach yeah
27:44
and then plops in the bed it is terrifyingly
27:48
just disturbing again of
27:51
course i know there's obviously like there's like basically a
27:54
dream monster from you know doing the kind of stuff but it's it's
27:58
it's a realism of the the deaths as well
28:01
also i have to say the realism of the fretting
28:04
makeup on this and voice which is so much more effective
28:07
yeah it's got that raspy you know
28:11
yeah yeah apparently it was digitally enhanced in
28:14
post-production to give it more of a sort of a slightly otherworldly sort of
28:18
tinge to it but it's just you know what again this is another clever thing about
28:23
it freddy still has his one-liners but the delivery of them is much more sinister
28:29
yeah i've written written some down, they're fucking terrifying.
28:32
And so when they, when the.
28:36
The film, all it does is give a little wink to the original.
28:41
There's a kind of a really quick reenactment sequence of, of Tina in the, in the, uh, body bag.
28:48
And then there's one that didn't work. One of my favorite shots we talked about
28:52
Nightmare on Elm Street is when Nancy's sleeping and the wall comes out and
28:56
it's Freddy coming to get her kind of, you know, before he kills Tina. So it's, yeah.
29:01
Well, they do that here, but instead of using practical of actual Robert Englund
29:06
coming through this rubber thing, it's CGI and it looks terrible. Yeah. Yeah.
29:11
Some of the, you know, where this film is let down, I think mainly,
29:14
for me anyway, is with the use of CG sometimes.
29:19
I don't think they use a lot of it. They don't really use it as a crutch.
29:24
But yeah, I hear what you're saying. There's a nice shot where,
29:28
I believe it's when Chris, is it Chris or Nancy? I forgot which one.
29:35
She's investigating Where she came from I believe it was Nancy,
29:40
Yes And she goes up to the,
29:43
She waits for her mom to go to sleep Because she's starting to catch on Something's
29:48
not right here because she saw the photo She recognizes Dean or somebody Yes
29:52
So when mom goes to sleep She goes up to the attic,
29:57
She's going to look for things.
30:00
And I like the fact We don't, we just, I just, I just fall in this fool.
30:04
I thought she was just investigating the attic.
30:06
So she goes in there and then she sees her little baby clothes with fucking the claw.
30:12
That's Chris. That's actually Chris. That's Chris. That's Christine. Okay. I wasn't sure.
30:15
This is before, right before she died. And then she got, you know,
30:18
the little, the little kid outfit.
30:20
She's five years old at the time. And it's got the Freddy claws tears through
30:23
it, which is a, you know, terrible thought to have in your head.
30:27
That's a five-year-old child's dress.
30:29
But right there, I knew she's dreaming.
30:32
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And Freddie sort of jumps out a bit at her.
30:36
Yes. And in this one, Freddie plays with his food.
30:41
He torments her for a while before he gets her and he does the same thing with
30:44
Nancy. He torments them all?
30:46
Well, even the male characters? Yeah, he does, but I think he really does it
30:51
with the girls for obvious reasons, which is creepy, but we know what we're doing with that.
30:55
Especially Nancy, yes. Yeah, this, and I, it's just, it just works so well.
31:02
And every scene, there's not a dull moment in the scene. It just keeps going.
31:06
Yep. The Jesse character who, who, who gets it in you know the same death,
31:13
that they got in the first one but he just gets gutted through the that's where
31:18
I think you're right about the CGI I thought that was kind of poor when he gets
31:22
done yeah although Jesse does survive,
31:25
yes yeah.
31:27
Well no he dies in the prison no that's not Jesse that's Chris's boyfriend Jesse's,
31:34
Nancy's boyfriend no no or am I getting my names mixed up I might be getting
31:39
my names mixed up That's Quentin. Oh, yeah. That's Quentin.
31:43
Yes, sorry, you're right. Jesse's the, but yeah. I've got the character,
31:47
Freddie, just got the names mixed up. Yeah.
31:48
But Jesse, when he is in the prison and he gets it, the two best lines,
31:53
you kind of mentioned how disturbing they are.
31:56
There's one where Jesse's screaming, what do you want for me?
31:58
And there's actually a great misdirect where Freddie goes, oh,
32:02
can you give me back my time?
32:04
Can you turn back time?
32:06
So meaning, whoa, is he innocent? You bring back the dead? Yeah,
32:09
she's like, is he innocent here? What's going on?
32:12
And there's a line where he says, why are you screaming? I haven't even cut you yet.
32:16
Ah, and then, and then I'm going to roll here.
32:21
And then when Jesse is dead, we think he's dead.
32:25
He gives him a, he's, we go back to his dream and he's hung upside down or whatever
32:29
he's doing and he goes, you know, the human heart stop after the heart stops
32:35
beating, your brain goes on for seven minutes, right?
32:38
We have six more minutes to play. And that is factually, medically true.
32:45
Whenever the heart stops, the brain can go on for like seven minutes or whatever.
32:48
There's a similar line in Exorcist 3 Legion where Brad Dourif's,
32:53
you know, Prisoner X character,
32:55
the serial killer, he sees something similar where basically a decapitated head
32:59
can continue to see for so many seconds after it's been basically removed from the body.
33:05
Goes whenever i do that whenever i decapitate someone i
33:08
like to just for a little just for a little joke i
33:11
like to show the head it's but it's severed
33:14
body you know from the head it's yeah dark shit
33:17
like so it is and again yeah it works
33:20
here too one of my favorite lines is actually a play on
33:23
the line from dream master where
33:26
nancy is again it's another reference to the original that
33:29
we've discussed the marshmallow stars where she's
33:32
basically trying to run down a corridor in the dream in the elm street house
33:35
yeah and he goes how's that for a
33:38
wet dream but again this is that's how
33:41
he kills you know fucking nurse boobies fucking boyfriend
33:44
and dream master uh yeah but it's a good line and that but that whole scene
33:48
is brilliant because i have that in my notes it's very yeah you know the the
33:51
whole shining pile of blood crap and the whole floor becomes blood yes jumps
33:56
into it it's just waiting through it and then she comes through in slow motion
33:59
and And the blood comes out through slow motion through the ceiling.
34:02
It's a fucking gorgeous shot. Yeah.
34:04
Yes. And the line itself. Well, again, it's also a tip of the hat to Marshmallow
34:08
Stars from the original.
34:10
But also, he harvests that for a wet dream.
34:13
But again, the delivery here, although it's the same line, it's much more sinister.
34:18
Yeah. It's not played for jokes.
34:21
No. No. And so, after Jesse and Chris get it, we're 35 minutes into it.
34:26
But so you get, you get pretty much two stories here, three stories you've got.
34:31
Obviously we just told Jesse's Chris and Dean's actually in the beginning and
34:35
now you've got Nancy and Quentin's and then he even got the sheriff and the mom.
34:40
Yes. But. Freddie's backstory. Yeah.
34:43
Yeah. And I liked the fact that when Quentin tells her in the library,
34:47
just pretty much a one line to fix it all.
34:49
You could be so much, you could be so tired.
34:53
You can, you can sit there and not sleep all all you want, but you'll eventually
34:57
be dreaming, but you will, you'll still be awake, you just don't know what you're dreaming,
35:00
micro naps and they're a real thing as well, so that's where that's the one
35:05
mind fix we should have had two films ago, like probably most of the sequels. Yeah. Yeah.
35:12
It would've made more sense when I kept bitching. Is he sleeping or not? I'm confused.
35:15
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what I absolutely loved as well, it's just a small thing.
35:21
It's quentin whenever he's doing his research and he's
35:25
looking up about the pied piper and the comparison of you
35:28
know freddy krueger to the pied piper you know in classic literature that was
35:31
just i just love that probably just like a bit of a nerdy thing for me but and
35:35
i'm not even you know you know what i mean just that whole connecting freddy
35:39
to sort of you know the pied piper which is a really dark story you know just
35:43
i thought that was really cool well i also think i also like the fact that they kept in,
35:48
it's not this mirror image, but the house looks a lot like Nancy's house in
35:52
the original Nightmare on Elm Street.
35:54
Yeah. And they kind of kept true to what it looks like, just because it's just
35:59
as iconic as the Mike Myers house or the Sawyer's house, you know?
36:02
But they had to have it in, in some way.
36:04
Yeah, exactly. I do love when the mom, now the conversation is so much more,
36:09
I guess you can say adult, than what we got with Nancy.
36:13
Yeah. I went to her mom and goes, who's Freddy, mom?
36:16
It says she's writing his hat They're more
36:19
like She goes look mom who's who's Friday mom
36:22
And she's like I don't know Can we call yes and then She goes to the phone and
36:27
phones Classy burner going she's starting to Remember I have a question Which
36:32
was a good line because Well he says They're starting to remember Well still
36:38
that's a throwaway because it could mean,
36:40
We don't want Friday's name Being remembered because we don't want him to come
36:44
back to get you, they just see, they don't want. I have a question. No, let me finish.
36:50
They, they, they, they turn everything around because in the original,
36:54
they say, we, you don't want them to remember it because you don't want Freddy coming out to get you.
36:59
They don't want, they want his, his memories gone.
37:01
The only reason they don't want to remember in this one, they don't want to
37:05
have them have to relive being molested as a child.
37:10
That's the only reason they don't want Freddy's Dan mentioned,
37:12
and that is a nice little flip of the tables.
37:17
Also, I don't think they want to go to jail because technically,
37:19
well, not technically, they have committed vigilante murder.
37:23
So they could go to jail. I think they're a bit self-serving as well,
37:26
the parents. But yes, they do care for their kids, obviously.
37:29
Why? Look at this. Why did they just move?
37:33
I know. And also, yeah, why were they in basically the same town and the same
37:40
street as each other if they didn't want the kids sort of reconnecting after all the years?
37:45
I know. but yes i i do have a
37:48
question see the kids not remembering about freddie
37:51
and the abuse i don't i'm not too sure if it's i
37:54
don't i don't think it's properly addressed but is that just down to them being
37:58
so young or was there like some sort of hypnotism or whatever or did they you
38:02
know bring them to therapy to try and repress their memories no i they could
38:06
do that because if we went to therapy it'd have to be reported so the whole
38:10
thing was well this is Because, yeah, the whole thing was.
38:13
It was a cover up. Yeah. It was just brainwashing the kids by themselves,
38:17
you know, hiding all the kid photos and stuff.
38:19
I do think it's silly. And separating them because they don't separate them because they're there.
38:23
Exactly. I'm just separating them, but not separating them. And Quentin, they're all together.
38:27
They're right there. Now they do play, they do kind of play on that when they
38:31
go research it and they try to find other people in the photo and they've moved
38:36
on, which is, so they do kind of play on that.
38:40
They do. Yeah. And they have obviously died mysterious deaths.
38:45
I like the video of the Asian kid in the photo who's obviously grown up and
38:49
he's like making videos, he's being tormented.
38:51
Yeah. Like banging his head and stuff, you know.
38:53
That was pretty well done. I love the flashback when they're telling the story
38:57
of Freddie was a gardener and he is, he's so nice to the kids,
39:01
especially, especially Nancy's character.
39:03
And he is, he's just a very likable character.
39:07
And, but, and then you're like, oh man, if this guy's innocent,
39:11
this is going to be fucking balls on the wall.
39:13
Yeah. And then he goes Do you want to go to my secret cave I'm like ah fuck
39:18
Yeah I was about to say It basically is.
39:23
Pedophile dungeon From what of a better phrase And yeah that's when you realise,
39:29
He's fucking not innocent,
39:31
It's all true And this is what the first one Don't know if that's what they
39:36
wanted to go with But I think that's what the first one was missing,
39:39
There's no misdirection In the first one it's still good
39:42
and i still think it's superior because it's the original but i
39:46
i i do think it's missing some clever misdirects
39:49
and this is full of them well they don't even mention that
39:52
freddy's pedophile they do sort of it's very subtly sort of hint at it when
39:56
he does the tongue thing talking about the original but with this i mean it's
40:00
like basically it's out there it's a mean plot thread it is the main plot thread
40:06
you know whereas in the original he's just it's not even mentioned that he's a paedophile,
40:12
which he was, because, well, it was a different time, and you know,
40:15
there was censorship issues more so back then, so they couldn't really,
40:19
sort of, I'm assuming, get down that route, it would turn into something completely
40:24
different, and that would turn into basically what we get with this one. Yeah, and then the.
40:31
Freddie kind of plays with also trying to coerce, I guess you could say,
40:37
or mislead Quentin into believing he was set up because when he's swimming and
40:43
he has his little dream thing, whatever happens there,
40:45
he, Freddie shows him what happened to him and the whole time he didn't do anything.
40:50
It's what you're talking about when he's being chased and it's almost like the
40:54
bully's coming to get the, the nerd kid, you know, and, and you He really,
40:58
you know, and so it plays on that.
41:01
Yeah, and Quentin actually confronts everybody at this point going,
41:06
you killed an innocent man.
41:08
Oh, yeah. He's even doubting himself. He said, we were fucking five-year-olds.
41:12
What would we know? We would have told you anything, you know?
41:15
And then you're sort of saying, oh, shit, you know, this is an innocent man.
41:19
It's very cleverly played.
41:21
And the father, played by Clancy Brown, who's this big hulking guy.
41:26
Yes. He's he gets tongue tied because the kids, right? Yes.
41:30
And even the father's doubting himself, you know, the kids doubting himself
41:34
and now the father's doubting himself.
41:36
Yes. Yeah. And he like locks the door and says, you basically says you shut the fuck up.
41:41
You know, basically no one must know about this, you know? So it's like,
41:45
you know, playing into the coverup thing as well.
41:47
Like a, there's a shot where Quentin's going nuts and he needs to sleep pill thing, whatever is.
41:54
His uppers. Yes. And the pharmacist won't give it to him because clearly he's, you know, addicted.
42:00
You're not getting your drugs, kid. I mean.
42:04
That's a bad sales pitch, the way you approach that one. Yeah, exactly.
42:08
But there's, my favorite shot in the film is actually where Nancy goes in to
42:14
the drugstore to get him.
42:15
And then she's in the aisle in the drugstore, you know, full of medicine and whatever's on there.
42:20
And in the back, you see the door of the store for behind her and then you see
42:24
it's just a quick flash of Freddy and another quick flash Freddy and the whole
42:30
aisle slowly per flash turns into the boiler room.
42:36
It's actually a really nice little edit in the way they transition.
42:41
I also really like how the border between Freddy's dream world and our world
42:47
is very very thin and you know it's like Like, you know, Freddy's always there
42:52
on the edge trying to break through.
42:54
I just think that was really well done. Yeah.
42:58
And here's what I don't get. So they decide they're going to go to the Madden
43:02
preschool and they're going to investigate themselves.
43:05
There has to be a back wall, right? Or a hidden room, you know?
43:10
Yeah, a dungeon. Yes. So here's what I don't get.
43:14
So they get to the preschool and they go down and there's Freddy's little,
43:18
because he was living there.
43:19
They all know that. Everyone knows that. That was a known fact. He stayed on site.
43:23
Why the fuck is Freddy's glove that he's working on, because it's kind of a
43:27
work in progress kind of glove, sitting right there?
43:30
And where are the parents? Didn't they investigate this and see that?
43:34
And wouldn't stuff be confiscated?
43:36
Or the police just, were they just off on fucking holiday that day?
43:40
Well, remember, they didn't go to the police. Remember that.
43:43
I know that, but do you think the police would have maybe suspected something
43:46
with you know what basically that this um you know this preschool place being
43:51
closed down and stuff and derelict also the parents after basically killing
43:56
freddie you know in real life.
43:58
Didn't really fucking for for this big cover-up that didn't really cover their
44:02
tracks they left a lot of evidence behind not just incriminating evidence of
44:06
freddie but also for the that would have been incriminating for themselves was
44:09
he so then the plot wouldn't the work.
44:11
But Clancy Brown was the sheriff still at that time.
44:15
No, he was a teacher. I thought he was a sheriff.
44:18
Oh, he's a teacher? Oh my God, I'm losing it. Why did I thought he was a sheriff?
44:22
He's a head master. Oh, he's a head master. That's right.
44:25
That's right. Yes. Well, I just don't get, why didn't they look for evidence?
44:29
Why didn't they go down in the basement and go, oh, look at this,
44:31
look at a fucking glove with razor blades and look at this.
44:33
And any cop, if they called the cops, they would have easily found everything that these two find.
44:39
Yeah, exactly. I mean, these are basically, I know they're like victims and
44:43
stuff, but they're basically two dumb teens as well at the same time. Yeah.
44:46
But yet they have no problem doing a bit of detect.
44:49
I mean, on multiple levels, they're doing all sorts of detective work, you know?
44:53
Now. One thing that, no, no, one thing that I have always found Rooney Mara
45:00
and they're always sort of, you know, troubled, depressed face.
45:04
That's all she does. Whatever role she's in. It's kind of annoying.
45:07
She's, I don't like her. Yeah. I like her sister. I think her sister's a funner actor.
45:12
Yeah, but I would say that she does, that sort of persona does suit the character
45:20
of Nancy, because Nancy is a bit even in the original with Heather Langenkamp,
45:25
Nancy is a bit of a misery guts anyway.
45:28
So she does sort of suit the role, but generally Rune Mara just does the whole
45:34
sort of depressed, tormented sort of of persona does to my head.
45:38
Yeah. I, I, I don't like her. She's the one, she's a one trick pony. They call it.
45:43
Yeah. You know, you know who Kate Mara, her sister who acts.
45:48
Yes, that's right. Yes. And Rooney Mara.
45:50
You know who their, their family is? No.
45:54
Her father, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure, I know it's two.
45:57
I could get the teams wrong.
45:59
Her father owns the New York Giants NFL team.
46:03
And the grandfather owns the Buffalo Bills.
46:06
Right. So yeah. There's money there, but kudos to those two deciding to do something
46:11
a little different, you know, and, you know, I know Rooney Mara,
46:15
I think is engaged to Joaquin Phoenix or married is he, maybe? I don't know.
46:20
I don't know. There's two actors. My God, they're in a movie together and I
46:25
saw, I turned it out, they're so boring. Oh, what's up?
46:29
I'm upset. I'm sad. I was like, oh my God.
46:33
She's also in a film called Ghost Story from a
46:36
a few years ago which is actually a pretty good film but she does
46:39
again once again play the depressed sort of you know
46:41
the the husband's just been killed and and stuff
46:44
so she does you know that you know sad face basically acting
46:48
you know gurning you know yeah type yeah and
46:50
it's just there's a scene where she's like eating a pie but
46:54
at the same time crying and i've heard a lot of people say oh this is so emotional
46:58
and such a good brilliantly played scene and it's just and it's prolonged and
47:02
it's just like it just just i couldn't wait for it to be over it was just doing
47:05
in my head you know it's like just eat the fucking pie and stop gurning would you you know,
47:12
but it's actually quite a good film that ghost story and.
47:16
Yeah, I mean, again, yeah, it is a sort of one-trick sort of persona acting
47:21
type thing that she does.
47:23
But that being said, it works for this film.
47:26
Yes, it suits the role of Nancy. Exactly. So when they find the little cave.
47:32
Yeah. When, you know, at first you're still going with it.
47:35
And then once it gets even darker, once Quentin finds the Polaroids.
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The photos. And they don't show you anything.
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He just begs her not to look at it. Thankfully. yeah because
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it must have been horrific yes but it's
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a it's a nice scene and now we're all on the
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same page all right this this fucker needs to
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get it well actually reacting to the photos you know it's confirmation that
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yes this is all true you know he was a pedophile yeah and also it's a good nod
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hard to the original horror they defeat freddie by like nancy in the original
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they drag I come into the real world.
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Yeah. They're going to keep true to that. And that's the way it should always be.
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Yes. And they do it right. I mean, when they, they come, they cut off his hand,
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get rid of his weapon, and then they fucking set him on fire.
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That's it. That's all you need to do.
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Yeah. It's pretty much the only way to kill Freddy. And then,
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well, he'll come back, of course.
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But this whole, this whole sequence of, this is where the blood in the floor
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and coming through the wall and everything.
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Thing and he's when he's
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on the bed with her it's like fuck he goes your
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mouth says no but your body says yes and she's
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in the dress that she wore when she was five years old you
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know he's not thinking of her as in 17 old right now and that's how fucking
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disturbing this is yeah you know and it's even inappropriate and illegal for
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her to be be 17 and him out but he's even going further you know when it's hit
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and it's yeah it's it's nasty.
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Yeah, I mean, he, yeah. I mean, it's not like, you know.
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Well acted, very well acted. Yeah, I mean, it's to the point where you can see
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Jackie O'Hare going, fuck, I'm uncomfortable saying this to her.
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But you go with it, they're actors. But it does play well.
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And I like the fact, I personally, I know he signed on to do more,
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but I don't know if it would work.
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I just actually think That it ends I think it would have caused the risk of
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I don't know, I just think At the end of the day, you've taken away all the
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fun Freddy This is not fun Freddy anymore Oh no, that's That's fucking dead.
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Freddy's dead, basically, fun Freddy's dead This is gritty And sort of I have
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to say, being completely honest Compelling, you know, dramatically,
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It does, and that's And that's what
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kind of ruins the ending i mean you kind of went back to the ending
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that ruined the first one with the mom getting it
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now i think they had to i think they because you
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know although the fans were pretty upset with this anyway i think
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they you know they'll say we'll have to give a final score here but and something
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similar to the the original you know with the the basically the shop mannequins
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trailed through a fucking door a door window you know yeah no it's a night it's
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a good death don't even be around The eyeballs get gouged,
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but it just didn't seem to fit for the film we just saw. Yes, with the grim tone.
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A lot of people have also criticized this online, saying, oh,
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none of the characters are empathetic and stuff.
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Well, you know, to me, they're more grounded and more believable.
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But how are you supposed to be empathetic? The whole thing is about them depression and can't sleep.
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It's an ugliness. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's more grounded.
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It's an underbelly, a town.
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It's more grinded? It's, you know, Springwoods is so-called,
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you know, nice, you know, picket fences, picket fences and yada, yada, yada.
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But there's an underbelly here where these people could have possibly killed an innocent man.
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So what are they supposed to do? Go on a song and dance? Yeah.
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And I do think there's empathy. A lot of people.
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I do think there's empathy when the sheriff and Quentin, especially when Quentin
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finds out he might have killed an innocent man.
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And he approaches his father on that and with the mother getting approached
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on it, you can see in their face, they're like, shit, we might've fucked this up.
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And you can see it by the way, the actor's selling it.
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They're not going to go, oh, I'm empathetic. Oh my God.
51:44
No. Well, I think there was a lot of people were looking. Yeah.
51:48
Were basically the dream warriors they were looking basically jennifer
51:52
rubin with flick knives and a mohawk and you know
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the wizard master and stuff and this is completely completely
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different than tone which is realization which is
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funny that's what we don't want anymore though we had enough
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of that every freddy film has that stupid song
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and dance this goes back to what west want
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but west's vision west wanted dark and
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gritty freddy's scary because of the first one no
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freddie movies are scary after the first one yeah this rips
52:20
all those what i did miss what what
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i did miss at the very end was a
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totally inappropriate damn rap song you should have
52:31
had the fat boys and robert england with are you ready for
52:34
freddie at the very end well they
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had they didn't have a rap they never raps on at the end no they
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did that's what i missed oh yeah yeah i
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can see it like yeah tupac at the end of this fucking you
52:47
know very disturbing little film yeah that's exactly
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why yeah are the three warriors so you know
52:53
what's funny i get why fans might not like it because of its very dark tone
52:56
but i'm shocked critics didn't because critics probably should appreciate this
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more going hey they finally went their direction because the rest of the films
53:03
they hated so why would they appreciate this especially if the fact that they
53:07
like new nightmare new nightmare is more is is grounded.
53:10
Why wouldn't you like this one? I don't get it. I don't get it.
53:14
Well, that schools the extra mile with the groundedness.
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So with those, you know. Yeah.
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Yeah. So there you go. We'll end with the reboot, recall.
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You know, it is what it is, this franchise. I get why people love it.
53:29
Freddy is a character. And like I said, he is fun to watch.
53:33
But when I look at the source material and then I see New Nightmare,
53:37
then I see this one, those other ones don't compare. pair.
53:39
Sorry guys. I just think it's Nightmare on Elm Street's a one and done.
53:44
I really do. I think it's the first one and the other two are nice,
53:48
but at the end of the day, it's,
53:51
Those other two, one's a reboot recall, and so is New Nightmare, technically.
53:55
So, when you think about it, the only really good one in the whole franchise is the first one.
54:00
And then these two are more, these two are like side stories, which I really enjoyed.
54:05
To me, the best of the entire series, for me, are 1, 3, New Nightmare, and this remake.
54:13
Yeah, I'd get rid of two more, so I'd just put these three, but,
54:18
you know, it is what it is. At least we're not talking leprechaun.
54:23
Yet. Give it time. I know. I know.
54:28
All right, guys, we're going to wrap this one up. We're going to take a little
54:31
breather from retrospectives.
54:32
As fun as they are and they're nice revisiting, it could take a toll because a lot of them have two.
54:38
So we're doing two podcasts in a week rather than just in our staple one.
54:44
So we're going to take a little breather. We're going to do a couple of films right now.
54:48
And I've unfortunately Allowed Trevor to pick these Now, first of all I want
54:54
to apologize to everybody Now I did tell him, I gave him some ground rules A,
54:59
it can't be Squirtle Cowboy, which is his favorite film.
55:03
B That's your favorite?
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B, it has to be something People have heard of,
55:10
Okay, we're not doing this. Yeah, nothing obscure. No, no, don't say too obscure.
55:15
Nothing obscure, too obscure.
55:18
No, we're not doing that. If you give me some fucking voodoo fucking witchy
55:23
poo movie from the 50s, no.
55:26
But it has to be films that you guys, I keep emphasizing this because I know
55:31
he's about to announce them, so I'm hoping he changes something.
55:34
So it has to be something we've all seen or want to see.
55:39
Okay? Okay, so with that being said, and I'm peppering one in because I promise
55:44
you he's going to pick some sick shit.
55:47
So with that being said, Trevor, oh, dear God, forgive me for saying this.
55:53
What are the three titles you are going to pick for the month of? Okay, drum roll.
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Yeah, I've decided to go with some classic British films.
56:05
The long good friday starring bob hoskins and helen murran also shane meadows
56:12
dead man shoes from 2004 and of course which we haven't done yet but we should
56:18
have the original classic the wicker man from 1973,
56:24
so you go happy easter everybody.
56:28
So time to press the life out of our listeners fuck me Oh, I can go even more
56:36
depressing, trust me. No, don't. I don't want to hear that. I don't.
56:40
Now, we do have more retrospectives coming. We're trying to see what's out there.
56:45
We're leaning toward the Chuckies. The horror ones seem to be the best,
56:48
the retrospectives, but we got to dive into something different.
56:51
Might even look at like separating the bonds, the Roger Moore retrospective. That'd be kind of fun.
56:57
Something like that. And so we'll probably have to tweak away from horror for a bit.
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With that being said, And...
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Thank you, Paul, for the shout-out on Phantasm Gorya's site with regards to
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wanting us to talk about the TV show.
57:11
Didn't really dive into as much as we'd like because there's a lot of 44 episodes.
57:15
There's a lot to, but I hope we did it justice. If you're a fan of it, kudos.
57:20
If you're a fan of old clown school Freddy, give the episodes a shot.
57:27
All right, the new issue of Phantasm Gorya is out now.
57:30
It's the Hellraiser special. It is available on Amazon worldwide and locally
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at Forbidden Planet and a shop or two in the U S of A.
57:41
Yep. And so go check it out or get it. I'm in there too.
57:46
You know, you know, it's, it's, you can, you know, be a little closer to me
57:50
when you see my written word.
57:52
Yeah. Wow. That was bad. That's bad.
57:56
That's really bad. All right. If you guys want to give us a shout,
57:59
give us your likes dislikes and if you too want to like to hear something like
58:04
Paul did give us a reach out reach around Mr.
58:10
Squirtle Cowboy with that being said with that being said,
58:16
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send us and of course on Facebook at citizenframe give us a comment on there
58:25
as well if you want us to do something a little different or retrospective of you might like to see.
58:31
Not guaranteed, but we'll certainly give you a shout or a mention in the near
58:36
future if there's something that you might like. All right.
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That's all I got. Take care of yourself. We're putting this one to bed.
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Pardon the pun. Have a good night.
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Music.