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Darren Woodson: Cowboys Title Winning Secret Sauce, His Hall of Fame Case, Joining ESPN after football · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 4: my work wife, Roman Harper. What's up?
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  Speaker 2: What's up baby? I appreciate the nicknames. Early.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this, this sex episode. Who he
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  Speaker 1: who he is. He's a great representative of the state
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  Speaker 1: great all love yea, yeah, all right, go ahead, introduce
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  Speaker 1: all right, this next guest, This next gentleman U.
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  Speaker 4: Three time Super Bowl champion, five time Pro bowler. He's
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  Speaker 4: in a Dallas Cowboys Ring of honor. He's a tech entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 4: real estate mogul.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: He just came from the office. He just came from
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  Speaker 4: the office. Ladies and gentlemen, please walk up to the pod.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Darren, what's yeah, walk up to the pot.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Appreciate me in here. Man, I'm good to
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  Speaker 2: see you on Dallas.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, say it all the way down in Texas. I'm
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  Speaker 4: from the central part of the state, from coppers Co, Temple, Waco.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Helena, Yeah yeah, used to be far from here,
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  Speaker 2: on the way to Austin.
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  Speaker 4: On the way to Austin. Absolutely all my peoples is
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  Speaker 4: up in Sherman and Gainesville.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Did you see anybody you know you got
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  Speaker 2: off that plane win yesterday? Yeah? Yeah. The family, the
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  Speaker 2: family tonight. I'm okay tonight, I'm doing like old Fantom,
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  Speaker 2: flying without telling anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Can do that. Dave, my aunt is gonna be mad
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  Speaker 4: at me. So I'm I'm doing dinner tonight. He's going golfing. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing dinner with the family.
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  Speaker 2: Knight. Strike that from the record, though my wife does
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  Speaker 2: not know that. No, you're going golf the record, She
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  Speaker 2: didn't bigger ass golf club. No, no, no, she was.
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  Speaker 1: Dropping the kids off and I got to play as
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  Speaker 1: I booked my flights. Everything is around that, everything is
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  Speaker 1: around that never strike, that never never rest. It's war mentality.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're terrible.
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  Speaker 4: So I want to get this thing started off right now.
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  Speaker 4: So you are second as the Dallas Cowboys all time
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  Speaker 4: tackler or not all time? So your second one? Sports
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  Speaker 4: teams tackles, yes, first all time? First uh in tackles
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  Speaker 4: and tackles second all time?
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  Speaker 2: And special teams.
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  Speaker 4: Always bring this up thirteen years eleven years. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: played sports teams my entire career.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, got to. Yes, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: The more you can do, the more to help your
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  Speaker 4: team because.
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  Speaker 5: The team players, right, Yeah, of course you got us.
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  Speaker 5: This damn devo divo over here. He ain't played a
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  Speaker 5: damn special team, not one. No like team return nothing,
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  Speaker 5: definitely not punt return. I'm like, bro, I'm not blocking nobody.
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  Speaker 5: I did do kick offf like some safety work.
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  Speaker 2: But you know that's like that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, count, that don't count.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not the field guy. I'm not. You never ran
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  Speaker 2: L five or five none, nothing, huh.
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  Speaker 4: And he's a thumper.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. That is amazing. That wouldn't never have imagined
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  Speaker 2: the harp that you had never played special. That's like,
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  Speaker 2: that's unheard of.
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  Speaker 1: They never asked me to as a rookie. They I
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  Speaker 1: was doing no special teams. Uh, they were just trying
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  Speaker 1: to let me play. And then second year they kind
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  Speaker 1: of got me in a little bit and I would
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  Speaker 1: practice some PP but like I never played in the game,
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  Speaker 1: like it was never And I always laughed because he
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  Speaker 1: always laughs and says all these things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like overrated.
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  Speaker 4: Almost every one of Devin Harris's punt returns like us
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  Speaker 4: me running the same way.
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  Speaker 2: I just saw a video the other day of Beyond
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  Speaker 2: Return and one in New York, and I see myself
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  Speaker 2: acting like I was trying to forget some But that's
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  Speaker 2: that was my entire life. I walked in the door. Here,
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  Speaker 2: I was on all four. I was on kickoff return,
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  Speaker 2: kickoff return, kickoff, punt return. I held up on the
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  Speaker 2: outside on a punt return. You're a four core guy,
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  Speaker 2: all of it, ye my ass. And the reason why
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  Speaker 2: I have twelve surgeries is because and that's the reason
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  Speaker 2: I'm serious. I'd say about least half of my surgeries
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  Speaker 2: came in from a Special Teams play. Didn't see someone
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  Speaker 2: someone cut me from behind on the side, my own
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  Speaker 2: player broke my arm. You know, I had some friendly
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  Speaker 2: fire all the time. Like I mean, it's because it's movings.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's moving so fast that and the collisions are that
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  Speaker 2: much greater. Those are the reasons why. That's when the
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  Speaker 2: Special Teams was real.
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  Speaker 1: And I would also say one thing about Special Teams,
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  Speaker 1: and you guys can probably attest to this, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: a victim of it, is that if you don't do
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  Speaker 1: it early, you can't just all your seven eight and
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  Speaker 1: hit the switch. I'm gonna be a Special Teams guy. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't work that way. You got to come in
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  Speaker 1: doing this, so you get to understand it. And we
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a choice. There was no choice in them.
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  Speaker 2: We came in. Joey avazonal Rest in Peace was our
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  Speaker 2: Special Teams coach, was a great Special Teams coach. Jimmy
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  Speaker 2: Johnson was a head coach. Jimmy was in every Special
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  Speaker 2: teams meeting every day, and sometimes it make the entire
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  Speaker 2: team come in and watch. Specially and on a Monday
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  Speaker 2: morning after a Sunday game, please, everybody's watching. Turn those
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  Speaker 2: lights off, Troy, and everybody's in that special teams meeting
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  Speaker 2: watching you run down the field, and dude, he would
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  Speaker 2: control the Jimmy would control the tape after a loss.
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  Speaker 2: He used to call it red ass meetings on special
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  Speaker 2: team's day. Don't run down the field, find yourself. I
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  Speaker 2: used to be in games at L four thinking, dude,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta get off this. I better not be the
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  Speaker 2: last one. It was a sprint down the field and
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  Speaker 2: all of them were return back then as well. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you getting hit from the side, they setting you up
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  Speaker 2: all the wedge. Yeah, I was trying to.
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  Speaker 1: So you're you're talking about all these hits and collisions.
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  Speaker 1: We'd like to know everybody else's in. We all have
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  Speaker 1: our own. But what was your first welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: NFL moment?
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  Speaker 2: Uh? First welcome to the NFL moment, I would say
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  Speaker 2: was training camp and we used to do one on
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  Speaker 2: one so I was I have a backstory. My backstory
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  Speaker 2: is I was at Arizona State. I was what they
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  Speaker 2: call a tweener. I was basically, you're a smaller linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: I was like the rover back played a little linebacker
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  Speaker 2: did play. We did. Lovey Smith was my position coach.
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  Speaker 2: A lovey used to become. I can't call him lovey.
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  Speaker 2: Coach Smith used to always have me playing multiple positions.
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  Speaker 2: I'd played lineup at safety. Sometimes I'd covered the slot receiver.
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  Speaker 2: He taught me how to do all these things right,
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  Speaker 2: but I'd never been on that autobond back on the outside,
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  Speaker 2: like I that's a little different. Right. So I get
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  Speaker 2: here my first year and we're going through many camps
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  Speaker 2: and we're not you know, nothing's really going on. We're
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  Speaker 2: doing some one on ones, but just mostly with the
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  Speaker 2: rookies and all that. And then the veterans. We get
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  Speaker 2: the training camp. All the veterans are in and my
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  Speaker 2: first time one on ones, eighty eight walked up and
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  Speaker 2: I had to cover him the first time, and it
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  Speaker 2: was like it was that moment like, Okay, I've been
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  Speaker 2: watching you know, if you if you didn't know Mike
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  Speaker 2: back then it's I'm about to run, you know. He
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  Speaker 2: just barking and it's a crowd. There's an audience, right
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  Speaker 2: because our training camps were packed and you had, you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty some thousand people in the stands, and he just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he just going at it and I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe you put him out here like he's talking to
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  Speaker 2: me right. And I think that was my wake up
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  Speaker 2: moment to be like, Okay, I'm out here on the
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  Speaker 2: outside one on one with Michael Irvin and he ran
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  Speaker 2: an out. I jumped out, made a good play on
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  Speaker 2: the ball, and I was like, yeah, I can do it.
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  Speaker 2: I can do this. Now. This is you know, Mike
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  Speaker 2: couldn't run anyway, but Mike was strong and fast. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was one of those days where that
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  Speaker 2: was that was my wake up moment to to the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool, I know for I think for me,
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  Speaker 4: I just assumed that I would always be in Chicago
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  Speaker 4: my entire career. I know, you're a Saints Hall of
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  Speaker 4: Famer and you played for another team. I played for
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  Speaker 4: one other team. How does it feel that knowing that
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  Speaker 4: you were in Dallas your entire career and just played
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  Speaker 4: for one team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I never experienced free agency. Yeah, I never got
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  Speaker 2: to free agency. I was always you know, we always
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  Speaker 2: got signed up before we got there. I think the
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  Speaker 2: closest I was over there was like a month before
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  Speaker 2: free agency. Yeah, and you know, they they found a
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  Speaker 2: way to get me locked up early. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't see myself playing anywhere else. And I say that
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  Speaker 2: because I'm so ingrained in the community here, Like I
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  Speaker 2: have four kids, all in school. I've been I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on the Make a Wish Foundation board, the C
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  Speaker 2: five Texas board. Today, I've been on Salvation Army. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I've been so ingrained in this community that I don't
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  Speaker 2: I never even thought about leaving, Like I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what it would feel like to see. And I've saw teammates,
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  Speaker 2: coaches packing up, leaving, going somewhere else, taking their kids.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing we don't understand that we don't
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  Speaker 2: see in this sport, right, is that the true fan
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really see the behind the scenes. And a head
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  Speaker 2: coach loses or a position coach loses his job, He's
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: go take his babies out of school. Yep, they got friends,
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  Speaker 2: he's tied to the church. You know, there's so many
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: little small integral things that that that now they have
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  Speaker 2: to get up and move. And now they're moving to
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  Speaker 2: Green Bay kids are in another school third fourth grade
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  Speaker 2: and great, and I just never had to experience that. Man,
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  Speaker 2: I've been blessed. I mean, I'll tell you now, I've
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  Speaker 2: been extremely blessed to just be on this team, staying
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  Speaker 2: in this community. Yeah, that's that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: So you talked about that, and you talked about your
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  Speaker 1: teammates leaving and coaches leaving.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you were the last one of the dynasty.
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  Speaker 1: At one point where it was like you and Irvin
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  Speaker 1: without the mainstays. You were the last one out of
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  Speaker 1: everybody the OG. So what was that locker room dynamic
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  Speaker 1: like thing did you see? I know, you saw the change,
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  Speaker 1: the change from when you first got in, when you
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  Speaker 1: were the young guy to all of a sudden, now
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  Speaker 1: you're the old guy and you don't have the same
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  Speaker 1: party that you have before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only that personnel changed, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: coach his staff started to change. I wanted I was
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  Speaker 2: the only one that went through five coaches and that
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  Speaker 2: I ain't proud of that because you know what happens
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  Speaker 2: when you're going through coaches lost games. So when I
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  Speaker 2: first came in, Jimmy Johnson was my head coach, and
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy did everything. He ran personnel, so cut players, brought
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  Speaker 2: players in, drafted them, did everything, rock coaches in. That
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: was all Jimmy. Jerry was overseeing at the top. It
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: was base Jerry was basically being a young new owner.
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  Speaker 2: He had lawsuits with the league he was dealing with,
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  Speaker 2: he was bringing in sponsors.
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  Speaker 1: He was the only one with absolute everybody else everybody
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  Speaker 1: else so that.
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  Speaker 2: The league was suing him at the times. He wasn't
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  Speaker 2: involved that much, involved on the day to day. So
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  Speaker 2: that was all Jimmy. So the personnel, you kind of
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  Speaker 2: knew what the personnel was gonna look like. Jimmy wanted
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  Speaker 2: alpha dogs that were going to compete. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: didn't have to be the most talented to do but
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  Speaker 2: you better love this game because he was gonna test
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  Speaker 2: that metal to see if you you know how much
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  Speaker 2: you really cared about the game. But that personnel was
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  Speaker 2: from ninety two. Jimmy got fired after the second Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: which is ridiculous, but it's crazy. I don't even go there.
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  Speaker 2: And then we brought it yeah, which is crazy. Man.
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  Speaker 2: I was in Phoenix at the time we had won
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  Speaker 2: the second Super Bowl. I've be in Phoenix. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: go ahead and tell the story. Let me go. So I'm
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: in Phoenix and with my family and watching, and back
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  Speaker 2: then we didn't have like social media. It was just
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  Speaker 2: you found out on the news, right, And nor did
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  Speaker 2: we have like the regular old cell phone where you
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  Speaker 2: just called me up on the cell phone and just
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: like the landline rang. My buddy Kevin Smith called me.
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  Speaker 2: Who Pup you guys probably know. Pup called me. He
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  Speaker 2: was the corner on the team. He said, you watching
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  Speaker 2: the news. I said, what news? You know that just fired?
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  Speaker 2: He just said it that way, but it has fired Jimmy.
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  Speaker 2: I said, there ain't no way. So I'm turning, can't
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  Speaker 2: find it on time. I got him. I'm on the lawn.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on the landline phone at my mom's house. I
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  Speaker 2: got my hand on his long cord. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: find the news channel.
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  Speaker 1: No one's talking about it, yeah, because it didn't had
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  Speaker 1: any hit out there.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And and so I'm talking. I'm still talking to him,
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  Speaker 2: says man, I'm serious. They just fired Jimmy. And it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe an hour later, I've turned on the news
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  Speaker 2: and I'm seeing Michael Irvin in the locker room. Throwing
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  Speaker 2: the garbage can. I don't know if you guys remember
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  Speaker 2: all this. You guys probably too young for this, but
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  Speaker 2: he's throwing the garbage can. He's all pissed off. Reporters
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: are all over the place, and I'm seeing this and
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: then you know, Phoenix news stations, as you know, Jimmy
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  Speaker 2: Johnson has just been fired for the Dallas Cowboys and
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  Speaker 2: blew me away. Man, It's just because we were in
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  Speaker 2: a moment and we just won back to back. Everybody's
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  Speaker 2: coming back under contract. The mindset was we won the second.
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  Speaker 2: When we were on the bus going to the airport
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  Speaker 2: the next day, we partied really hard after that game,
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  Speaker 2: right Atlanta was you know special. We were on the
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  Speaker 2: bus going back to the airport and I remember everybody saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna get three and we're gonna get four, like
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  Speaker 2: we were thinking more of not just the three people,
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  Speaker 2: but it was this was a dynasty that was in place.
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  Speaker 2: And then Jimmy got fired, and I think it was
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  Speaker 2: just everything just went just went away. The mindset went away.
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  Speaker 2: Barry Switzer loved Barry. Barry came in, but it was
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  Speaker 2: all of Jimmy's coaches. It was you know, you had
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  Speaker 2: to all of the Jimmy staff and you just plugged
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  Speaker 2: Barry in. They were all there was all this in
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  Speaker 2: fighting because all those coaches wanted the job. So you
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  Speaker 2: can imagine how tumultuous the locker room was. We were.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of alpha dogs on that team, and
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy did a good job of controlling us and making
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  Speaker 2: sure we were you know, you were biting the right
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  Speaker 2: person that was gone. So the prisoner started running the
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  Speaker 2: asylum and it just got worse and over the years,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: you know, we ended up going to the NFC Championship Game,
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  Speaker 2: losing to San Francisco. The following year when winning the
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, had no idea how that happened. You guys
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  Speaker 2: were talented, Yeah there was talent, man, but we were
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  Speaker 2: I was I'll say this, I'll say this. The league
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  Speaker 2: wasn't that good that year. Okay, there's no way we
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  Speaker 2: should that team. I look at that team, our last team,
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  Speaker 2: when that's the last Super Bowl. I'm like, man, our
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  Speaker 2: first team to beat the dog piss out of that team.
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  Speaker 2: Really not even close. It wasn't even close. And that
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  Speaker 2: was the year that Dion was on the team. In
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  Speaker 2: ninety five, or whatnot. Our ninety two ninety three teams
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  Speaker 2: were much stronger than our ninety five team and and
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  Speaker 2: then after that it was a free fall. Personnel coming
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  Speaker 2: in was terrible. I mean, we couldn't get guys that
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  Speaker 2: were drafted in the first second round to play Pete.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at you, play special teams, right. We couldn't
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  Speaker 2: get it. Just think about it, your first second round pick.
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  Speaker 2: They couldn't even make the special teams roster. They couldn't
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  Speaker 2: do all the little things. So the first second, third
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  Speaker 2: round guys were just now we were missing. We kept on,
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  Speaker 2: we continued to miss. We had an opportunity to take
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  Speaker 2: Randy Moss, we didn't take him. He sat imagine in
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  Speaker 2: the Dallas Yeah. So the personnel scouting was was a mess.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna blame all the guys because it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's aulation of that. But we weren't the
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  Speaker 2: same outfit and never were pretty much through the rest
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  Speaker 2: of my time until Bill Parcells came in and I
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: had gone three straight years of five and eleven, five
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  Speaker 2: and eleven. I wanted to get traded. I wanted to
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: get up out of here because it was it was terrible. Man,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: it was really bad. Parcels came in, same team, same quarterback,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: same personnel. We go from five to eleven, he comes
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: in ten and six in the playoffs.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: To me, that just go that everything you just said.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: The one thing I can think of is just leadership.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how important.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: It is to bring in the right leader to lead
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: all these alphas. Yeah, you know, and it's not really
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: I don't want to work controlling, but just leading them
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: in the right now direction.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like we don't need.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: To fight each other, keep that energy, keep that same fight,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: keep that dog. But I want it going here. I
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: want you to go there. I want you to go there. Hey, coaches,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I need you to go this. I need you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Like that's yeah leadership.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got relaxed. We got really relaxed around here.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: And I think it was that time and even today.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's been since nineteen ninety five that this
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: organization has won a Super Bowl. But it's been a
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: mindset that has pretty much been the same mindset until
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: until I'm telling you, until Parcels came in and he
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: had this nice little run there, they didn't win the championship. Right,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: there was an accountability he held the team accountable.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: The standard is a stand.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, if he had the t if he had the
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: right personnel, he won a super Bowl.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: So you said something, and that's exactly where all the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy fans want to know. And since I got
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: one here, I'm going to ask him because one of
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: my best friends is a huge Cowboy fan, not as
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: big as he used to be, but still big. Hearing
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of that, you know, So you have grown
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: adult Cowboys fans that have never seen this, all the
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: success and Super Bowls that we all brag about as
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Cowboy fans. I'm not one of them, but I'm trying.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to make everybody inclusive. That's right and so
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and so understanding that what is missing because it's not talent.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You guys have had Hall of fame. The talent has
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: been an abundance for the Cowboys. Not only do they drafted,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: but they acquire it and however they get it. So
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: it's not the talent. What is it that's missing that
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: in your opinion? And I'm gonna ask other Cowboys players,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: formers that I could I get to sit in front of,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: But what is that that's been missing in your opinion.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Honestly, I don't think anyone knows because
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you just said it. I mean, the talent has been Theres,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the Marcus where you had you know a lot of
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: you know, I can't tell you how great that offensive
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: line was for a long time t O was here.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, they had a run where talent was plentiful.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Trespis is gonna be Hall of fame, absolutely on both
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: sides of the ball, Martin up front us they've had guys.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's I can't. I can't. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: can't put my finger on it. One. I'm not in
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the locker room anymore. So for anyone that's saying, well,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: you know this, you know the team, Yeah, you don't
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: know the team, even if you played in that organization,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: If you're not in that locker room every day, you
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: just don't know the man, You just don't. Can't. I
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: can watch them, watch them on film sometimes or on
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: TV or on film and just think, man like they
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: are so close. But there's there's, you know, the whole
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: mindset that you think that this is old school. Now,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: this is really old school. You don't win championships in
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the playoffs like you just don't get in the playoffs
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: and you just win that championship. Like it starts wairly,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: it starts in March April, when there is a true
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: belief that us three hey dog were coming in to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: work out every day. We're gonna watch film on third
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and this is how I came in. We're watching film
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: in the off season on us breaking down our old
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: film and seeing, okay, damn, we were weaking this this
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: cover four man, and we got to do better. We're
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: we're doing those little things. I don't think that's a
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: process that they these guys go through anymore. I don't
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: think it's a process of looking back at the year
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: back and looking at yourself and being critical of your plate.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Am I running into the ball? Am I giving one effort?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Am I lined up the right way? Am I reading this?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You know? Am I reading my keys and doing all?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Am I studying the right way? Like there's no there's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a mindset of this organization. I
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: think this organization is where the Dallas Cowboys. It's a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: nice star on the helmet. Jimmy Johnson used to say,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: we used to this was like the like some kind
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: of golf club. You know, the atmosphere is like very casual.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: You can't be casual and expect to win championship. Y'
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: all know this. You know what this feels like. You
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: know what it feels like. I mean, there's some ups
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: and downs in order to be a championship team. There's
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: going to be disruption along the way. You're not going
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: like each other all the time. There's gonna be some
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: some days that you're gonna have to fight through. Some
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: days you're gonna want to complain about how many days
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: we've been out here in pads and we're doing this
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and this, and the coaches got us doing this or not. Hey,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: someone's gotta step and say shut up, let's get out
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: here and get this work in right, that's not the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: mentality here. There's one guy that you look at right now,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and it's number four. Yeah, and I look out here.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I'm office right here on the third floor, and I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: watched number four whether he wins championship. So he doesn't
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: win championships. I watch him throw to the fifteenth receiver
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: on the team on hot days by himself out here throwing.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: So I know he has the workout it, but i'd
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: love to see CD. I'd love to see some other
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: guys in the off season that our starters be out
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: here with him throwing instead of going back home. Like
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: that's the problem.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Not only that, but they're gonna bring somebody else with
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: him exactly. That's how you really get better. And I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: talked to New Orleans and I'll be candid. One thing
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that they really struggle with is like the team doesn't
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: watch film together when when when they're not under the coaches,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: they're not together watching film to see lifestyle. Man, I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: know how I see it, and they don't watch film
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: together unless the coach is there. A lot of these
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: teams are struggling with the younger players now they don't
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: just they're not together. So you may see it one way,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: but how does he see it? Then how do we
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: see it together?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: So that's how we ultimately under can't tell And that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: is a big deal.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Football used to be a lifestyle to us, like this
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: this was what you did right, So again in the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: off even during the season, we was to have these
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: pizza call pizza days. Ken Norton I first came in
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the league. Ken Norton was the leader as defense. He
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: used to have what we call pizza days. That was
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: at six o'clock on Thursdays. On Wednesdays and Thursdays, so
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: we would order in pizza, no coach, six o'clock. We're
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: all as a defense, were watching film just so we
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: speak the same language, the entire defense from six to eight.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And then you went home, like we spent more time,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure y'all did the same thing. We spent
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: more time with my teammates and I did with my
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: own family, and that was a part of it. But
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: it was a lifestyle. It was an understanding of this
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: is what you do. Show. Yeah, I show up on Sunday.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I don't wrap, I don't I'm not a roofer, I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: ain't a doctor. I don't play the guitar on weekends.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: What do you do? I play football. That's my job.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's the mentality anymore. And
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just the Cowboys organization. That's
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: across it's across the league. But if you want to
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: get back to a championship mentality, it don't doesn't start
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: when the season starts. It starts in the off season
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: and breaking down things and taking a hard look at yourself. Yeah,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I agree with that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I want to I want to ask you about the
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: what's your recollection of that? That to fight Dallas versus
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: the forty nine Ers. I know you had got ejected.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I got ejected, So I don't remember a few minutes earlier.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Uh t O.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: He gets the ball, runs, puts it on the star.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I'm a forty nine Ers fan, so I was excited about,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jesus this, you.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Know, this rivalry matchup. I loved it all.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: So you didn't watch it in the locker room or you.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Know, I got kicked out of the game. So look,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I was looking to get kicked out kind of like
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I was. I was looking for a fight. We were
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: getting our asses thumped, right, and I made a tackle
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and I was on the ground and no one stepped
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: on me. Newberry and that was it was that Newberry. Okay,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: So he stepped on me, and I didn't know what
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the next day it was. He kind of got pushed.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: He didn't matter, it didn't matter. I just saw whatever
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: not today. So I'm yelling at him, trying to fight
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: with him, and then the referee gets in the way
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and I kind of bumped the rev. You know, I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: just went in on the rep and he I was like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: you know what, I remember, you know what I said.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I remember. I remember the ref saying my name, not Woodson.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: He called me by my first name. The referee said, Darren,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: your ass is out of here. And for some reason,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that's I was walking up the tunnel. I said, dude
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: said my first name because most of the time referee,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: so you know, heyah, you know Harper, get out of here, right? Yeah? No, no,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: he called me my first name. I was like, you
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a family friend and you throwing me out of the game,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: so you know me somehow. But anyway, so I get
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: up and I'm in the locker room. I get in
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the shower and back then I didn't know. No one
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: walked me into the locker room. They walked me to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the tunnel and I walked in the locker room. I
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: never even kicked out of a game. I didn't know
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: what to do. So I get in a shower and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, they have these monitors, but they are
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the monitors were the game. It's all the sponsorship this stuff, right, not.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I don't have the game. I don't have access to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the game. So I'm I shower up and I'm dressed,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, boom, George t walks in
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: to the locker room and Tiaga and I were the safeties, right,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: So Tige walks in. I'm like, what are you doing?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: He's so upset, he's so pissed, he can't even talk
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to me. I was like horror, I called him, or Hori,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: what happened? You worry about it? You get He's throwing
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: his stuff off. So I'm standing there, I'm waiting for
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: him to get out of the shower. Ask him again
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: what happened. He's like, man, I don't want to talk
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: about it. So we both just left, like I still
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: in the stadium. We left the stadium. We didn't know
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: what to do.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: N't even stay after the No, we didn't know what
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: We were just sitting there like we what we gonna do?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: We can't watch the game, we can't walk back down.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: We're gonna sit here. So we left went home, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: that's when I saw. When I got home, I saw
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the replay of what happened with t O on the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Star and George and the whole I saw it at
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: sitting on my couch and I watched the replay of it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: That's how I learned about it. Beat the traffic, beat
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the traffic, and got cussed out the next day. Dude,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: they got us the next day for leaving. But we
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: didn't know what I'm serious, man, if there was someone
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: that was a yeah, not a trainer, not an equipment dude,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: nobody like within you know, the organization that says, hey,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: we need to and we were so we were so bad.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: We were just so bad. It was just we needed
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to leave that place. Yeah. So you know, first of all,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I love this story.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, t O was creative too, because he did
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a big Star and they said you cannot go out there, so.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Then he went on a little star. It was just
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it was like a little brother. The next day, they
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: asked me, you know you got kicked out earlier. You know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: what would you have done? I was like, dude, look,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I appreciate what George did, but you want to stop
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't want him doing that. What he's
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: gonna do, you know, then stop him? Yeah all right,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: we didn't have the personnel to stop him, so it
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: is what it is. Yeah, sucks, and then we bring
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: him in years later. You know, I can't beat them,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: join them.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So you you've talked about some really good times. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I want you to draw this picture for me because
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what it is. But when I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: say a word, you tell me and I'll probably be
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: able to pick think a little bit just by the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: facial expression.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: But humperdinks, we got we got black that out, they
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: got dark, they got dark. Those are some single moments.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So this is my experience as well. So my first
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: seven minute.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: You know abouts because we do our research, our research here.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: We are professional.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: We haven't nobody to the Internet.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: We are professor Google machine Hot.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: He's on the hot season.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: My first six or seven years in the league, I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was single as well, and so we won the Super
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Bowl and I was a single male.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I had just my homeboys with me in Miami.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I went to high school with after you win the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: super Bowl, so you know what like when you when
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you got your boys, And this is what your experience
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: was early on in your Dallas career. You were it
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: was a whole bunch of guys that were all single.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Nobody was more single than than married.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Got absolutely total different dynastics, a different lot. And that
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: was the after right after a game, you got showered up.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: You normally didn't even go home most of the time.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: You know, you didn't even go You want directly to Humperdinks.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Nobody's paying for drinks. This is no, no, no, this
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: is and this is just the first stop. Right, Yes,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: that was called the landing spot for us. Right, so
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: everybody humperd Inks and then from Humperdinks. Then we went
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and we went as like the entire team, entire team
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: went to the next spot to paint.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: You want to go to Humperdinks tonight, dude.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: You know, everybody here's you want to do. Everybody here's
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I'm down.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody, here's about the quote unquote white House, but nobody
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: about the humper Dicks.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: About the humper Dicks was the real Yeah, it was.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It was a landing spot after the games. Win like
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: win games, lost games. Now show your face. That's not happening.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Jimmy finds out your humper Dings after a win, after
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: a loss, Oh hell will break loose? Okay, I like.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: It, So I want to I want to get into it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I want to get into the second act.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: So you retire in two thousand and four, you start
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: working at ESPN in two thousand and five. What did
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: you do in between? Did you just sit at home
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: and just chilled? You get in some golf.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: No. You know what's crazy is that I ended up.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: So when I retired, I had like about two or
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: three weeks and I actually was doing I did this
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: little roundabout the to NBC, CBS to ESPN. Knew I
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: was going to do some type of TV, but for
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: that first year, and I was coming off an injury.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I was coming off of major back injury. I had
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: nerve damage. I could barely walk. So I was still
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: trying to rehab that process of trying to you know,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: trying to get my quality of life back, and that
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: took me about four or five months, and then I
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: went right on into ESPN. It wasn't that. It wasn't
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: as long as you think it was. It was a
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: lot shorter. I was on the set of ESPN still
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: dealing with a major back issue. That's why you're a
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: little bit shorter now. That's why.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you walked in with me.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Between. That's what that is.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: That's funny, that's funny. I do want to ask a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: personal thing after your career. You know, you have been
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame finalist the last three years and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you've not been able to get in. Now I give you,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: will give you flowers because you are an Arizona State
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Sports Hall of Famer. Yeah, you are the State of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Arizona Athletic Hall of Fame as well. So you're in
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a couple the main one I know you're shooting for, like,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: how does it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Feel the emotion? Still going through it?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And also, I don't know if you know this, but
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: once you get in, which I assume you will, at
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: some point, you'll be the only.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Person in your whole draft class absolutely, which is crazy, crazy.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I've been that long and nobody else.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Give me some of the people in your draft class first,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: so it'll give people a little bit of context.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't even know most of it. So my guys
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: that I played with is Kevin Smith, Robert Jones. Remember
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Smith, the wide receiver. Jimmy was drafted two picks
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: before me the Cowboys by us, right, I didn't, So
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: we have four in the first two rounds because you
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: were part of the Herschel, the Herschel washing Walker trade. Yeah,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: my draft pick. I think me and Jimmy were part
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: of that that those picks. Steve Eman, I think was
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the first guy that went that year, Big Defens Linement
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: out of University of Washington. And then after that, man,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: it kind of Dale Carter Corner, Corny Dale was a player,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: true player. But after that, man, it gets kind of dark.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Like if you asked me it's ten years ago, I
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: probably remember the names. And this is the thing. Who's
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: doing the who's research? Where's research out here? Man? This
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: is this is a good question.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Shout out to Thomas producer, he'd be doing this thing
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: because I didn't know up until like a year ago.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I had one of the Hall of Fame voters out
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: of Minnesota says something to me about that draft class.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: He said, you would be the only one, and I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: it took me back to say, no, there's no way
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: that ever, so he sent me the list of all
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the players and I thought, damn, isn't that that would
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: be amazing to go in. But you know why I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: want to go in, man, this is one of the
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: reasons why I want to go into the Hall of Fame.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: It's because in ninety two, ninety three, ninety four, and
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you keep going down for like four or five years,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: We were the number one defense in the NFL. We
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: didn't give up points like it was it was hell
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to pay. We had a really good defense. And I
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: played with guys and outside of Charles Haley, who came
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: in from the San Francisco forty nine ers, right, Dion
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Sanders went from Atlanta to San France and then came here.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Those are the two guys that are in the Hall
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: of Fame. There's no one that's been ingrained, drafted by
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: this organization, and most of the players on that defense
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: were drafted by Jimmy. I would be the only one.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And I want to represent them. Dudes that came in,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I mean the Russell Maryland's, the Tony Toberts, who people
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: just forget about, Like those are my teammates, the Ken
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Norton juniors. You know, there's so many guys, Kevin Spicer,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: so many guys that I played with that were so
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: damn good. Yeah that when I get up there, do
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I want to recognize them? Yeah? I mean we had
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: nine turn We forced nine turnovers in the first Super Bowl.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: The first Super Bowl. I didn't know that. Yeah, nine turns.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: The game was fifty something, Yeah, seventeen. It was blowout. Yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: yeah it was. It got ugly and we we you know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: our defense scored twice in the in the second Super Bowl,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the third Super Bowl, Larry Browns had the two. He
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: was the super Bowl MVP. True, like we had we
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: never got. We got recognized as the Triplets, Troy Mike,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and that's how they knew the organization. Man. But damn dude,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I ran down on special teams for a lot of games.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I have more reps than anyone from ninety two to
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: two thousand and four. That is not a person standing
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: that has more reps than I am.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: You were a core player on that team. Now, I mean,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: I know we we talk about the Triplets, but you're
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: your quadruple quadrules? Is that what it is before?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah? You you mean I'm about don't do all that count?
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, baby's born at one time. That's what it means.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: You were.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: You were the quad like this that's safe to say,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Like it's you. You were a huge part of the
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: success with this organization. I just think it's easy to
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: sell tickets and put people in the seats when your offense.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always say that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Defense wins championships as good as selling tickets.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly, and so you know you did go into the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Ring of Honor here with the cowboys. And I want
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to know what comes to mind when you hear somebody
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: like Jerry Jones say such great spiritual words about you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: As unselfish, reliable, dependable, a team player first and a
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: team leader. He's a living, breathing example of what it
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: is to have great character and to be a Dallas Cowboy.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I you know when he said I remember him
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: saying that. I thought, my mom, that's crazy. I mean,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: it's crazy how that seems like I didn't reflect it
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: and think, Okay, yeah he's talking about me. I'm talking
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: he's talking about my mama. Dude. I mama raised four
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: kids by herself, project kids, all of went to high school, graduated,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Me and my sister to graduate from college. Like it
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: just she worked two jobs five am it was her
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: first job, got off at four thirty and went to
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: her second job and got home at eleven o'clock. Like
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: that's that's character. Like I watched this woman just sacrifice
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: for us. So I am you know when he's talking
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: about that, that's that generation down watch my mom and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: then my grandmama and all them. But Uh, it's a
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: reflection of you know, what I've always strived for was
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: to be someone who represented the right way. And it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the same thing I want to do with my kids.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I want to pour that into my children the same way.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And how many kids do you have to have? Four? Okay, yeah,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that's the number. That's a great answer for everybody.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we all got that's just enough to like
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: me and get four. Tried to he always trying to
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: be like me. He wors top button, just like one.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Thomas over he do the
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: same thing.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see everybody representing.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm kind of a big try to
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: like me. But no what that what that being said?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: With your mom, I want to ask this question, and
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: I think I know one of the people Mount Rushmore,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: who would be on your personal Mount Rushmore? Of people
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: of influence from the time you were born till today?
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Who would you put four people on your personal.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Week Mount rush My Lord like hes gonna be. He's
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: got his own mountains, so I can't put him on that. Okay, Okay,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: so Mount Rushmore, I would say. My mother wants She
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: was my she was my role model, my sister Monica
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: basically raised me. She was you know, I put all
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: my my brother, my siblings, my brother Todd, he was
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a thug though he used to kick my ass off,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I ain't putting his ass up there, so he can't
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: forget that. So I was the youngest. Yeah, I was
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: the youngest of four sou but my sister Monica played
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: a major role in my life, so I got to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: put her up there. Muhammad Ali, Man, I remember being
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: a kid, and y'all are way too young for this,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: but I remember being a kid and watching a black
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: man talk sideways to folks. And you know where I
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: grew up. You the cops, the white police come in you.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: You didn't just talk sideways to people. Man, you you know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you kind of had this mentality if you try to
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: avoid the confrontation from being when they come under that,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: when they that band walk comes through the the neighborhood,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: your ass fleas right, you straighten up. You try to
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: get it, you know. And to watch Muhammad Ali with
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: the confidence that he had, the swagger that he had,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: and the way he communicated, he just was he was
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: bigger than big. Like everybody talks about Michael Jordan, a
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: lot of the kids watching for myself, even cludo. We
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: talk about Michael Jordan, love Jordan, but as someone who
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: played a who box or play the sport that really
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: transitioned not just the sport but outside the sport, like
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: he was just he was phenomenal man, just phenomenal. And
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: then the last one, that's a horrid woman I got.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I got a dude that that has been with me forever.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: His name is George Bass. He's my agent. And there's
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: a reason why I own two businesses in his life,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Like I came into the NFL not having any financial background,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: not having any pursuit of wanting to do own a business.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: That was never my mindset. And I was in my
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: first my third year in the league, and my agent,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: his job was he represented you know a number of athletes,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: about six or seven athletes, but his day job was
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: he's a CFO for a retail development company. And I
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: used to see him. He used to talk to me
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: all the time about real estate, and I would spend
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: time with him, and so when I i'd watch him
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: and I try to get into some of their investment
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: deals and he said, no, no, you can't get in
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: until you learn the business. You cannot invest until you
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: get learned the business. So I had to take He
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: made me take down an office space in his office complex,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and in the off season in ninety six, I think
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: it was ninety five ninety six, in the off season,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I would have to go in there. After I worked out,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I would go in there and I would learn the business.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: And it's the reason why I'm sitting right here today.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And I can tell you I think I probably had
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: more success off the field than I've had on the field,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and it's because of George Paths. So he just pour
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: it into me. Man, he would be my he would
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: be that other Mount rushmore God. That really I like that? Yeah,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: I got I got one more question for you.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Oh please, I'm gonna fire away too.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Sin committed complaint, compelled?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah upon that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: You live your life by these four seeds.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I live my life by my core values. My
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: core values are God and God represents wisdom and knowledge.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: So God is one and I usually just look at
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: her as God is that one, and then my family,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: my health, and it's just morals. Morally, where do I
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: want to fall in any situation? So I'm not going
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: to get into a real estate a business deal without
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: it falling within my core values. If it's something that
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't fall in my core value, if it's relationships, friends, family,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I measure it all in in that little bucket. If
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: they don't fall in, they're out. And I'm big, guys,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I'm big on shedding people like in life, like God is.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, certain people aren't yoked for you, right, So
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with shedding folks that don't meet,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that don't fall within my core values. It's just plain
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and simple, and that comes from that's from close, close family.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: If they're not in, then they're not in. I like that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: You can't ask more questions.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: We gotta wrap all right fast.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I appreciate you. That was way
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: too fast. I agree, I agree. We just sat there.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: We're gonna come back.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Not only well, we're gonna have to edit this, but
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: here right now?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Is it the corner? Is that? Is that why I'm
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: getting kicked out? Is that what it is? Don't is
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: that what it is? Okay, you see what I'm saying
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a triplet? Tell tell him and I said, kiss my ass.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: He's probably gonna you gonna see him as he as
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: he as he walks in. I'm just Hey, I'm just
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I'm just a messenger.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Don't shoot the messenger. Yeah, no, we should totally shoot
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: the messenger, Darren Man.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Bottom line is, bro I hopefully we get to continue
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to do this conversation more more. You are being a
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: hell of a successful person on and off the field.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Your story is amazing.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: You are my new goal guy, because you know, you
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: did the TV thing, then you went on to be
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: your own entrepreneur.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: You tech guys.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: You got in early with the right people, being a
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: good avid listener and learning. You never stopped learning, and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that's been a success story that you will continue to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: build upon because of who you are. And so I'm
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: just really really proud to actually sit down and share
• 44:28
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• 44:30
  Speaker 1: because me and Peanut really enjoy these things. Yes, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I'm still learning as well, and so it's just been
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: really really awesome to sit down and have this and
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: also get some really good stories out.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Thank you.
• 44:43
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