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Gardening Talk at Tiger’s Pool House 121325 · Garden America Saturday

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Garden America, the country's most listened to gardening show,
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  Speaker 1: where we talk about gardening, horticulture, landscaping and more. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: we'll discuss anything that has to do with growing plants
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  Speaker 1: and keeping your yard in tip top shape. Now here
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  Speaker 1: are your hosts, Brian Maine, John Bagnasco, and Tiger Palafox
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  Speaker 1: on the Garden America Radio and Media Network.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like it's it's that time, ladies and gentlemen, boys
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  Speaker 2: and girls and all the little animals who are gathered
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  Speaker 2: around the radio, your computer, your FaceTime, your YouTube, wherever
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  Speaker 2: you're watching us, how you're watching us, Good morning, I'm
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  Speaker 2: Brian Maine, Tiger Palafox, John Bgnasco. We are broadcasting live.
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  Speaker 2: By the way. You consider this your pool house at
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  Speaker 2: Tiger inside your pool house.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we thought it'd be a little bit more cozy,
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  Speaker 3: and it's warming here. It's foggy outside.
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  Speaker 2: Fog advisory, all the advisory. Do you have James or
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  Speaker 2: driving down full sun? Really? Yeah, seriously, full.
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  Speaker 4: Sun till I got to just south of Marrea Mesa.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, because it was it was clear until I got
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  Speaker 2: to Errow Drive and then you couldn't see your hand
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  Speaker 2: in front of your face. But it dissipates just like that.
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  Speaker 2: You can now you got all your fingers. Okay, well
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  Speaker 2: you got you got all your fingers, all your digits. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Welcome those who are just joining us,
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  Speaker 2: those who are first timers, and those who that we've
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  Speaker 2: never heard of before. But occasionally John will get emails
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  Speaker 2: from people that we never see their name on our
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  Speaker 2: Facebook page during our show, but there they are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's nice to know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, scoot back here and get comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: Here, take it. Listen, see if you can play with
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  Speaker 3: that a little bit. Give Brian something to do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, one, two, three.
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  Speaker 3: So John, Yeah, it was sunny at your house.
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  Speaker 4: No, it was dark when I left.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so you but it was clear at your house.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it might have been a tiny bit over
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  Speaker 4: cat but by the time I got to the I
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  Speaker 4: leave my house at at six in the morning, so
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  Speaker 4: it's still dark till dark.
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  Speaker 3: So this was this is kind of more of a
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  Speaker 3: coastal fog thing. Then it seemed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, by the time I got to the freeway, uh,
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  Speaker 4: the sun was just starting to come up. And then
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  Speaker 4: and uh, and it was clear that I didn't hit
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  Speaker 4: any fog at all until I got to to Mirror Mason.
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  Speaker 3: Seeing when I went into work yesterday in Mission Hills.
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  Speaker 4: Paul, by the way, says, good morning from sunny Fallbrook.
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  Speaker 3: Oh see, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 2: Are you talking about the room noise? Yeah, yeah, there's no.
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  Speaker 3: We need to bring it down a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I just think it's it's
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  Speaker 2: the we lack acoustics.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay, But the when I was went into work
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  Speaker 3: yesterday morning, the roads looked like as if it had
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  Speaker 3: just rained. That's how much like dew was there in
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  Speaker 3: the morning. It didn't seem foggy yesterday morning. Today it
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  Speaker 3: seems more foggy.
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  Speaker 2: What if you got against dew.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's it's funny when you come from different parts
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  Speaker 3: of town and your area could be warm and dry,
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  Speaker 3: and then you can go into another area and it's
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  Speaker 3: damp and like it was, look like it had rain.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I'm kidding, yeah, because I get up in
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  Speaker 2: the morning sometimes and I see the same thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I get did it rain, It's just heavy dew. Speaking
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  Speaker 2: of that, I realized yesterday I want to get your feedback,
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  Speaker 2: both of you that I haven't watered my plants for
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  Speaker 2: maybe two weeks. Yeah, and I know we had a
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  Speaker 2: few hot days, but I feel like I need to
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  Speaker 2: water them. But then I get up in the morning
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  Speaker 2: and it's very heavy dew. I don't know this time
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  Speaker 2: of the year. We talked about the biggest mistake people
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  Speaker 2: can make is to keep watering.
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  Speaker 3: And I I'm right there in the same page with you.
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  Speaker 3: Where my pots. Yes, I kind of stopped watering them.
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  Speaker 4: And I noticed the one over here on the left.
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  Speaker 3: A little droopy. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that's adicator plant.
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  Speaker 3: Look at that one right there, Yeah, And then look
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  Speaker 3: at the one on the other side of the gazebo.
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  Speaker 3: It's perfectly fine. So that one, just the one.
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  Speaker 4: I was talking about, it's not droopy. I think a
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  Speaker 4: better attitude would be crunchy.
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  Speaker 2: Think a little crunchy. I like that. Now, what is
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  Speaker 2: this over here to the left, Fiddley fig? Now that
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  Speaker 2: big Fiddley fig. Didn't we have a giant one in
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  Speaker 2: the lobby of my heart? Yeah, in the corner we
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  Speaker 2: still do. I don't know, I haven't been there in
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  Speaker 2: a while exactly, But.
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  Speaker 4: You you refer to it as Ficus lerata.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or don't fiddle with my fig Yeah, eggs.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, you know a lot of my potted
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  Speaker 3: plants are plumeria, and I really worry about overwatering them
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  Speaker 3: right now is they kind of get into the wintertime,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, I mean that's where you know, we
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  Speaker 3: talk about this before in the show, where it's critical
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  Speaker 3: to use the right type of soil when you're potting plants,
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  Speaker 3: because people say, oh, well, I'm going to use a
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  Speaker 3: potting soil in this, even though it deserves a more
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  Speaker 3: well draining soil like a cactus made or something, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna not water it as much. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that's all fine and dandy, and the spring and summer
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  Speaker 3: when the water dries up and it's fine. But in
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  Speaker 3: the winter time, like you're running into I'm sure if
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  Speaker 3: you were to it's still moist dig into your pots,
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  Speaker 3: they're still dampened.
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  Speaker 2: LUs I have a little compost or bark, a little
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  Speaker 2: a few little bit of bark on top, so it's retaining. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's interesting because even when the weather was a bit
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  Speaker 2: warmer and I would want of the potted plants that
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  Speaker 2: I'd go underneath the stairway the eve where it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of protected and the soil was still moist Yeah. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just be careful this time of the year.
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  Speaker 4: I'm getting the feeling that you guys did not have
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  Speaker 4: the same weather that I had at my house last week.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely not because we were dry.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we were in the eighties all week.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, we were like late and you had a
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  Speaker 2: high seventies.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, a lot of very saying like you out the
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  Speaker 3: moisture and so, but you go from watering your roses
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  Speaker 3: once a day to twice a day. So what are
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  Speaker 3: you doing it now? Once every three days.
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  Speaker 4: The ones down below by the chicken Cooper once every
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  Speaker 4: three days, huh, and the ones on top or every
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  Speaker 4: other day right now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. See, so that's actually the yeah, a lot less
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  Speaker 3: than a lot less of what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: That's all you do in during the warm months in summertime.
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  Speaker 2: That's where's John.
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  Speaker 3: He's watering his roses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's been out there for two hours. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he just got started.
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  Speaker 4: And sometimes I have to decide do I water by hand?
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  Speaker 4: Is it less time to water by hand or to
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  Speaker 4: try to figure out the timers.
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  Speaker 3: That he has to start right when he wakes up at.
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  Speaker 4: Four it's I'm learning more and more about the timers
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  Speaker 4: as I took the instruction booklet and threw away three
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  Speaker 4: quarters of it.
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  Speaker 3: Well it was all in a different language. Were you
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  Speaker 3: reading German?
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  Speaker 2: Well no, that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: You got all these different languages, and I never realized that.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it was just overwhelming to go into this
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  Speaker 4: all these pages.
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  Speaker 2: When the whole thing is explained in two pages. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if that, he's.
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  Speaker 4: Probably about four or five pages instead of fifty.
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  Speaker 3: You know, And and we've talked about this before. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this is a gardening show where we try to answer
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  Speaker 3: people's questions and help them solve problems. And we are
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  Speaker 3: here for you. If you have a question or a problem,
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  Speaker 3: please ask it.
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  Speaker 2: We will Oh yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know John's issue with
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  Speaker 3: the timer. I mean, there's so many wonderful YouTube videos
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  Speaker 3: on you know, how to operate this time or how
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  Speaker 3: to do it, and it can take it from like
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  Speaker 3: a technical like you could find the people that like
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  Speaker 3: like Hunter is the company that produces as timer. They
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  Speaker 3: have videos that they've presented themselves.
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  Speaker 2: You know, did they make the fans as well?
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  Speaker 3: No? Different, OK, but they have good technical videos on
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  Speaker 3: how to operate these timers and do these things with
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  Speaker 3: their devices. But at the same time, then they have
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  Speaker 3: videos on YouTube that it's like John who tries to
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  Speaker 3: explain it in very layman's turn to everyone else on
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  Speaker 3: how to do it too. So it's a great resource
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  Speaker 3: when you're having trouble doing something.
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  Speaker 2: Because a lot of instructions, now whatever you might purchase,
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  Speaker 2: say we're the instructions. YouTube is like QR code, right,
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  Speaker 2: YouTube's your instruction. Now there's also those people. Let's say
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  Speaker 2: you just want to figure out John, how to do
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  Speaker 2: something very simple on your sprinkler, like setting a time
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  Speaker 2: for you know, to go on.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I went go on to the YouTube videos
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  Speaker 4: that Tiger's talking about that Hunter put out to me.
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  Speaker 4: It was the same thing. Yeah, it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: like blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: But here's here's my point. And maybe maybe I'm hopscotching,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm piggybacking on what you're saying, but you just
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  Speaker 2: want to find out one simple thing. And this person
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  Speaker 2: thinks through a YouTube star. So they're talking for fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, dude, get to the point. Hi, my name
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  Speaker 2: is Bill, and uhart it Yeah, you know, just get
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  Speaker 2: to the what do we have, Joe, We got a
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  Speaker 2: couple of minutes until the break. Do we have any questions? Comments?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we have comments on the weather. Lease up and
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  Speaker 4: Redding says it's thirty seven degrees there, and then Tanya
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  Speaker 4: said that they're they're at forty in San Jose, so
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  Speaker 4: a little bit cooler than here, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well generally speaking, it is right. Looks coming the
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  Speaker 2: two dogs, the brothers, Chandler and Charlie patrol. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: we've got about a minute or so, a minute and
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  Speaker 2: half until our.
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  Speaker 4: Firsts wants to know if you're going to do a
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  Speaker 4: walk about.
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  Speaker 3: There's not much to walk about, Tanya. This is pretty
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  Speaker 3: much it.
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  Speaker 2: This is a great little pool house. This is a
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  Speaker 2: great place if you wanted to kick back and stay
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  Speaker 2: here for a few days.
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  Speaker 4: In here, though, I mean, you've got a whole kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: And bathroom and a bedroom and yeah, yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: I think it's really it's very cozy here. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: but we should mention that we're going to do our
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  Speaker 2: best to bring on a well known guest, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, after the break, we're gonna bring on Ed.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna give it a shot.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's the holiday season, so why not.
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  Speaker 2: So we brought anyway, we experimented a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago with John. John called in. Seemed to work out,
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  Speaker 2: so we'll we'll give it a shot with Ed Livo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well it was just he's engrossed. I was looking
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  Speaker 4: at John from uh is it Southland sign? Uh?
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  Speaker 3: John dim?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, south Land sign? Right right.
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  Speaker 4: He said that we need to remember that plants and
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  Speaker 4: lawns don't waste water. People wastewater.
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  Speaker 3: That is true.
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  Speaker 2: That is very true.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what, that is a great person to
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  Speaker 3: talk about it because he has the same kind of beliefs.
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  Speaker 4: So Kevin wants to know if that's ojoya cove above
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  Speaker 4: your head, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: That's a picture that I was talking to John about
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  Speaker 2: prior to going onto the air where you could look
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  Speaker 2: at this two or three people could look at that
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  Speaker 2: picture and see different things entirely. Speaking of different things entirely,
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  Speaker 2: how about a different break coming up? We do you
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  Speaker 2: have to take a break for BIS Talk Radio. It's
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  Speaker 2: guard in America. To stay with us. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: do our best to bring on ED livel Livo. That's
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  Speaker 2: his name Ed Livo. After these messages on BIS Talk Radio, stay.
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  Speaker 5: With Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian,
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  Speaker 5: John and Tiger.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back to the show. Those on biz Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in whenever you can. We do
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  Speaker 2: have two hours, so hopefully your market carries both hours
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: or at least one hour. The rest of you on
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  Speaker 2: Facebook Live, thank you for joining us. Good to see
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  Speaker 2: somebody familiar names and occasionally somebody knew that pops up.
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  Speaker 2: So going to do our best to bring on Ed
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  Speaker 2: liv Oh he is ready, willing, enable and waiting. But
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  Speaker 2: first of all, John, everyone's clamoring for this week's quote.
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  Speaker 2: The quote of the week, ladies and gentlemen, mister John begnasco.
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  Speaker 4: Hard to hear with all that clamor. The quote is
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  Speaker 4: by Luis Beregan, who I think is a Mexican architect.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Louis huh, Luis, Yeah, he's pretty popular anyway,
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  Speaker 4: you're pretty famous. And he said that a garden must
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  Speaker 4: combine the poetic and the mysterious with a feeling of
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  Speaker 4: serenity and joy.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a heavy thing to handle right there, right,
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  Speaker 3: is it too?
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  Speaker 2: Early for that quote. Yeah, that's a lot to handle.
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  Speaker 4: No, No, eight nineteen is the perfect time for that quote.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it was eight twenty, but you know
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  Speaker 2: better than I do.
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  Speaker 3: We should we do this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, so let's do our best to bring on
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  Speaker 2: Ed Livo. I'm going to turn things over to you, Tiger,
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  Speaker 2: to get this this thing started.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's do this test here, Ed, can you
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  Speaker 3: hear us?
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  Speaker 6: I can hear you loud and clear.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, this is actually working amazing good because I can't
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  Speaker 3: hear so I'm gonna go on your cue and I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to go on the clock.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll let you guys know. This is Brian. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, I can't hear you, but Tiger and John
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  Speaker 2: certainly can. So you guys have fun.
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  Speaker 3: Ed, good morning, Thank you for joining us. This has
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  Speaker 3: been a long time coming. I hope you're doing well.
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  Speaker 3: Happy holidays, almost happy New Year. So hold on one second.
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  Speaker 3: We're trying to just get John connected also here.
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  Speaker 7: All right, sounds good.
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  Speaker 3: So how you've been How have you been? You've been
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  Speaker 3: doing a lot. I've been following you on YouTube and
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  Speaker 3: your social media. Everything's going well.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, stay staying busy, staying busy. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 7: you bet enjoying myself as well.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Just you know, when you retire, you have to figure
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  Speaker 7: out what you're going to do. Then once you figure
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  Speaker 7: out what you're going to do, then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 7: you don't have enough time to do it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm one step ahead of you. I'm
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  Speaker 4: already this stage where once you don't know if you
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  Speaker 4: have time to do it, you start to not even
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  Speaker 4: know what it is you were doing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Oh I can't, I
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  Speaker 6: can't agree with you more.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I spend more times on the days where I
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  Speaker 7: don't have something to do, wondering why.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have anything to do, and then you start
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  Speaker 3: to worry that you've forgot something that you were supposed
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, it's crazy, It's just crazy.
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  Speaker 7: It's great. Hey, listen, let me add to your your
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  Speaker 7: comment about watering. Guess what, so up here we haven't
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  Speaker 7: theened water since.
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  Speaker 6: About the twenty seventh of November.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and so consequently it's been dry, but we've had
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  Speaker 7: an accumulation of cold up here that has been outstanding.
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  Speaker 6: As far as you know. Dormancy is concerned.
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  Speaker 7: We've been below forty five degrees, you know, for the
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  Speaker 7: better part of i'd say three weeks at least, so
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  Speaker 7: that the dormancy factor up here is going to be
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  Speaker 7: phenomenal for fruit trees, because I'm always a firm believer
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  Speaker 7: in the accumulation of dormancy earliest in the season is
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  Speaker 7: really the dorm the cold that has the most effect
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  Speaker 7: on next year's prop So I think it's going to
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  Speaker 7: be a good year for fruit this coming season.
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  Speaker 6: But with all out, without all that water.
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  Speaker 7: I got to tell you something, my or a Blanco
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  Speaker 7: grapefruit and containers. I have a grapefruit that's forty eight
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  Speaker 7: years old in a container for forty eight years old. Wow, wonderful,
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  Speaker 7: beautiful plant produces every year. I love my Blanco started
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  Speaker 7: dropping fruit. Oh so yeah, So I went out and
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  Speaker 7: it's in a twenty five inch round container. So I
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  Speaker 7: went out and I did. I got my soil probe
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  Speaker 7: out and I just took a soil sample out of
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  Speaker 7: the container. Bone dry.
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  Speaker 3: All the way.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So I ran my I ran my irrigation system,
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  Speaker 6: john my Hunter irrigation system. Do we get any points
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  Speaker 6: for that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Right, we're accumulating them we're going to send this show
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  Speaker 3: to them.
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  Speaker 4: Don't worry, especially the part where I said I can't
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  Speaker 4: understand the videos, they make no sense.
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  Speaker 7: I'm one hundred percent with you on that, man, I
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  Speaker 7: you know, and it's amazing you get yourself a library
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: of information now and like you said, two pages of
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: it apply to you.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Hey, hey, Ed, I love that you started
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: off with the idea of the water cold and dormancy,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: and because people, you know, they don't always think about
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: that going into this time of year where you know,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: it's not it's one thing that like kind of not
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: need to water as much because it's cool or rainy,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: but it's another thing is that the plants don't need
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: the water like so, so I mean, you know, I
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: know you mentioned kind of more of the you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: stone fruit trees or deciduous fruit trees, but even though
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: you know you you did mention your citrus, they do
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: require water, but much less this time of year, right,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: because they're kind of a little bit slower as well.
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: I think it of course, and here I think it
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: more applies to this. You know, there's always a balance,
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: even in the summertime, there's a balance of how much
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: water you're giving, and there's a balance in the winter
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: time as well. That balance just changes dramatically because of
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: course you just have to keep the soil profile moist,
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: you know that, And I don't know, you know, moist
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: is such a vague word to the novice gardener. That's
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: a big problem I've always had trying to convey what
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: that means. But dry doesn't work in the cold because
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: the plant needs that hygration to be able to take
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: and of course, you know, warm itself during you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: the cold period, so if it doesn't have that hydration,
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: it becomes an absolute disaster. Your fruit starts to drop.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: That's what my our blanco was doing. It was dropping through.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: It was cold and it was dry, and that's why
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: it was dropping.
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: Cold, cold and dry, right right, And you know, the
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: Ora blanco is usually fine up here in the cold.
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: But that long, long, you know, stint that we've gone
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: without any rain, and typically I've shot my irrigation system
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: off probably in mid November. Yeah, so you know, while
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: we were in the midst of having all that heavy rain,
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: So you know, come on, it's the weather. You got
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: to change with the weather, you know, gardener, You got
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: a change with the.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Weather, you know, and everybody knows that you just need
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to keep your soil evenly moist but not soggy.
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: The term I use for that is damp like a
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: wrung out sponge. You know, like if you squeeze a
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: sponge and water comes out, that's that's too wet, right,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: But if it's just damp to the touch, then you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that's how you want to keep the soil.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: So that's the answer. In retail garden centers, by the way,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: you either overwatered or underwater.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, somebody comes into the garden center, yeah, for sure.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: And both of them, and both of them result in
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: the almost the exact same symptoms.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: So you know, it makes it real difficult to convey
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: what the real answer is. But let me let me
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: throw some confusion into the mix.
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: I've really started to work on the notion that in
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: container growing, we we the idea of watering all the
• 18:52
  Speaker 7: way through till the water runs out of the bottom
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: of the container is almost bad for the for citrus especially,
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: and I have probably maybe twenty in my collection now.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: My collection used to be as high as forty.
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: But when I moved, I left I sold half of
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: my collection the guy who bought my house.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: That's a.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I've got half a collection.
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: But I don't think that I think citrus suffers in
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: that lower third of a container in terms of lack
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: of oxygen and you just never get rooting all the
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: way through you to the bottom of the container because
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: it stays too moist. So I've really started to work
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: more at short bursts of water to try not to
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: saturate the root ball, but to sustain that lower as
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: dry as possible, you know, without being.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: A ed hold on, sorry to cut you off. We
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: do have to pause for a commercial break, and you know, yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: very information. I want to talk about that lower third
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: of the container when you get back.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you have to take a break. As Tiger mentioned,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: thank you went for hanging on standing by. We're going
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: to take a break for our friends on bistok ret
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: stay with us. This is Garden America.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: John and Tiger.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. After that break, It is
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a Garden America. I'm Brian Maine, John Magnascar, Tiger, Pela Fox.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us and It's good to have
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: an old friend of ours back on the show and
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: live O. And again, thank you for being patient with us,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: as occasionally we have to cut you off or cut
• 20:31
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• 20:33
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• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And before the break, Ed was commenting on how growing
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: his citrus and a container on the proper way to
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: water what he's kind of noticed, and you you were
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: describing an issue sometimes with containers in general, where roots
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: don't always grow throughout the container evenly or properly, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: that's why you were kind of watering your citrus a
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: little bit more shallow style versus like in the ground.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: We tell people, oh, deep water the citrus. You know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: you want to want to saturate them then let them
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: dry out. And in a container, you were saying that
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: the roots don't grow all the way to the bottom,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: so you were kind of shallow watering. That's what you
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: were describing, right Ed.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and I can tell you, you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: there's a lot more going into my thoughts on this
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: whole factor.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: But you know, I can tell you this.
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: You know, the the biggest problem that I've always had
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: with citrus is that I believe that. You know, there's
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: like a constant pytotha going on in the bottom of
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: that bottom third of the can.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: You know, when we transplant citrus, you know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: Typically the whole bottom part of the soil falls apart
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: because of the watering style we use. And so I've
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: really tried to modify my watering on my citrus collection
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: now where I'm doing short bursts and really trying to
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: stick my finger in that drain hole down in the
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: bottom and saying, am I keeping this lower third profile
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: you dry enough for the roots to get in and
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: get established all the way to the bottom of the container.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: That's a challenge, it is, Yeah, it is a challenge.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: But I can tell you, you know, I mean, is
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: it all right for me to say, Gary Mancioka.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: It's hard for me to say, but it's all right
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: for you to say, all.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: Right, good, good, because I have to point out that
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: a lot of what he's been promoting with his soil
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: mixes for years, all of a sudden makes sense to me.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: And you know, other than the fact that it requires
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: a lot more water, it, you know, it seems and also,
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: you know, a different style of fertilizing my you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: my my notion is is that that drainage factor probably
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: plays into protecting the root in the bottom from getting
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: that constant.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Fipopara battle that goes on. And you know in typical
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: soil mixes.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: And John's always been a huge advocate for well draining soil,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you know, because you know, I mean, that's you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: how you prefer to grow things, John, And you've always,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: you know, been an advocate for that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: And you know the only problem is that you have
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: to water more.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And that's what you know Ed is saying, and and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the problem is in southern California is we have this
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: concept that we want this water retaining soil, we want
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: to oh you water less soil like all of this stuff.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: And you know, the problem is is like what we
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: talked about in the beginning of the show with this
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: time of year where that's great in the summertime, but
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: in the winter time when that soil doesn't dry out
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: for nine months and there was nothing you did, right,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: that's your problem. And you know that's what leads to
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: the issues like what you're talking about, Ed, where plants
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: just never developed these rucism or the biggest problem too,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: is they develop the root system and then the wintertime
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: that root system rots out, so it's like almost double
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: the damage.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: Well, and I'll even add I'll even add to that, Tiger,
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: how about this, Well, then what happens is you get
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: that extended wet period during the winter time and then
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: of course the rains stop and the trees not showing
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Bigger and luster, and so what does the average person do.
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: Watering?
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and so really the problem if in fact, you.
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: Know, was consistent through the winter time with you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: like good fight tops are going on at the bottom
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: of the can, well, guess what, it doesn't go away.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: It just never corrects. So I just think that there's
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: a lot more investigation. John, Are you using mineral based soils?
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Is that the is that what you're saying?
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Mineral base?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Why use the.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Happy frog from Uh?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, John's is more draining, Like he's an
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: advocate of more draining soil.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: You know what also I was thinking is that it
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: just slipped my mind now, but the people used to
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: advertise with us Tiger that created kind of an upside.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Down John and bombs.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: No, No, an.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Upside down cone that you put in the bottom of
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: your planet.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked like a like a street code or
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: like one of those little soccer code.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Right, except there were holes all around it and ed
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: I'm wondering if that would solve part of the problem
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: you do you have because it creates an area in
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: the center of the plant where oxygen air is in
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: that area, so might eliminate the some of the problems
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: with my top three that you're talking about.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what.
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: My pots are always elevated so that oxygen can get underneath.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: I mean that's an important part of you know, eliminating
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: that possibility or that the problem, that's part of it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: But I can honestly tell you this that my mixes
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: are real heavy in a quarter inch pathway bark or quarter.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: Inch minus bark. So I modify all the potting soils
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: that I use.
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: I have for years to try to add a lot
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: of porosity. I even use chunk core.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: I use a sixteenth chunk core in all my mixes.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: I use a sixteenth peet and.
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: Then I use you know, of course the pathway bark
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: as a third, and then potting soil whatever.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Because I look at the most of the.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Potting soils for long term planting like citrus, where you're
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: going to have them containers for years.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know if they satisfy that. They just turned
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: to dust within a year or two.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: And I'm sorry, you know, if I'm if I'm holding that,
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: can't I've got citrus that's fifty years old in containers. Yeah,
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: you know that I've maintained for fifty years.
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: And I've used this potting mix that I came up
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: with back in the eighties, you know, with large particle
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: matter in it for years and successfully.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Well, when you have a twenty five gallon contender, you're
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: not wanted to change that soil ot too often. That's
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: not an easy job there.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: You can't no, And you know, and you know there's
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: no such thing as root pruning a citrus. If you've
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: ever root prune the citrus, you know you said it
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: back two years.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: So I water now. I high pressure wash the roots.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: When I when I when I when I'm repotting, when
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: I'm putting in fresh soil, it's all high pressure wash.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Get out with that water and just blow off.
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: You know, half a third of the entire potting soil
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: or the entire old soil, and then refresh it and
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: put it back in the container.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: You know ed when you were talking about uh, you
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: get an extended rain, maybe a weak of rain, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: then you don't have the luster and the leaves, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: so people go out there and they water. I was
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: thinking sometimes they add insult to injury and they mix
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: fertilizer with it, you know, in water at the same time.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: But right.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: That Lenore in Canyon Country just brought up a question
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: and she wants to know and we probably should talk
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: about it that when's the best time to apply fertilizer
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: to citrus? And it doesn't make any difference what type
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: you use, Like will the citrus be offended if the
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: bag doesn't say citrus and avocado.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: To be I don't use many many I don't use
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: any citrus fertilizer. I use acid or acid fertilized, organic
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: acid fertilizer, a couple of different brands. You know, fertilizers
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: expensive by like on sale. Acid fertilizer is always good
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: as long as it's organic. Because I'm eating most of
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: the things that I fertilize. I'm also I'm also fighting
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: a high pH water you know, in the area, So
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: every time I water, I'm affecting the pH of the soil,
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: and citrus likes to have a little bit more.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: Acids, you know, soil to grow in.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: So I'm fertilizing in March, I'm fertilizing in May, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: that I'm fertilizing in August early September. So I fertilized
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: three times a year.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: So March, May and August, and then.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: Late late late late late February, early March, late May,
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: early June, late August early September.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: And then Hastam and Pakistan wants to know about irrigation
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: of citrus during the flowering stage? Is it change it all?
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: Then?
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Did it require more or less water? How does that
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: affect fruit set?
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: You know, I don't know if I have an opinion
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: about that.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: I don't know if I've ever really experienced more or
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: less How about.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: You, Well, certainly not in Pakistan. But yeah, I would
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: think that when fruit, when plants are are getting ready
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: to set fruit, that they need a supply of moisture.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: But I don't think you want to overcompensate during that period.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I would think agree.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that I have run into
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: situations where when the plant dries out, you'll probably get
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: some reaction that you know, flower drop and stuff like that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: So you want to be even you you don't want more,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: you don't want less, you want to kind of keep
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: it even through that time.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, I haven't done any studies, so I'm
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: not really sure.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: And you know what, I got to tell you that watering,
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: you know, watering.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: To me, hey, ed, before we go too deep on that,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: we are going to pause for another break because this
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: is a great thing that I think people are going
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: to want to listen to. So let's pause for another
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: break right now.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do that, and again want to remind those
• 30:34
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• 30:59
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• 31:02
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• 31:02
  Speaker 5: These masters, Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: with Brian, John and Tiger.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, we are back from the break. It is myself,
• 31:24
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• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Hey, Ed, before the break, you were talking about Sorry,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: we were in discussion.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And yeah, go ahead.
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: No, I just totally flaked on because you we were
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: talking about increase watering while flowering or decreasing and so
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: the question from the stam in Pakistan was should we
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: increase water, decrease water or keep the same during the
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: flowering cycle in citrus and we were kinding and commenting
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: that it's just best to keep even. Is there ever
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: a time of year where you want to increase or
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: decrease watering on a citrus head?
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, I think weather dictates that. So
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, if you go into an extended period of
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: let's say rain, I mean, yeah, well rain, you turned out,
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: you're shut off anyways. But if you go into extended
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: period of heat and heat mixed with wind. I mean,
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: now you're a app of transpiration rate just goes up dramatically,
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: and so you really want to be checking your irrigation
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: to make sure that you adjust it if if your
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: plants are drying out at a faster rate.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: So the answers, yes, okay. So one of the things
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: that I was going to ask you too, though, I mean,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: aside from weather, is is there a time of year
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: for the plant that you should increase watering, like meaning
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: it's spring, the plant is beginning to grow, increase watering,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: you know, and then you know, or when it's when
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: it has fruit on it? Know, Is there is there
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: ever kind of that like? And same for stone fruit
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: trees or deciduous fruit trees like because you know, sometimes
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: they'd say ed when they're talking about harvesting like grapes
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: or tomatoes, they say to stop watering right before you're
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: going to do that so you can get the flavor
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: to change. Is that the same way kind of fruit
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: trees or No, not at all.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: No, that's commercial approach.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: Commercial approaches, you know, pump water, pump water, pump water,
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: get the size up as big as you can, turn
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: the water off as you get close to harvest so
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: that you.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: Increase the bricks and get the sugar sugar up. Please
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: don't grow your fruit trees out.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, got it, Okay.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: I mean my you know, my thought would be, you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: try to maintain maintain some sort of consistency, you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: keep the soil moist.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: And that's what I mean.
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: The terminology that we use in the industry is so
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: vague for the average you know, nobs gardener, you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: as far as watering is concerned, and the dramatic differences
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: that can occur in California, like, for instance, where I'm
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: at when somebody asked, I'm up in Modesto and and
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: one side of ninety nine, the east side of ninety nine,
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: the drainage is amazing. I mean, we could water all
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: the way to China, but on the rough side of
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: ninety nine it's hard pan and you can't get that,
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: and your plants are going to react differently and have
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: to have a different watering consideration for those two soil profiles.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: So it's a tough question.
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: I've even had to do this at the college level,
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: where I've had to tell people, you know, they want
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: to know, oh my gosh, you know, what's the magic
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: answer to water. Answer to water is find out what
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: your individual plants need in terms of keeping them consistently moist,
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: whatever the hell hell.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: That means pub and then and then incorporate mulch. Somebody
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: else asked about what I do in containers. All my
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: containers emulched. All everything that I have on the ground
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: is mulched, and mulch in California almost should be mandated.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah that is true. Yeah, there's you know, like you're saying,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: just be just be smart with whatever it is you have,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: whatever soil you have, you know, managing it, and you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: be willing to do the time and invest into learning
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: about how should you water and what should you water
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: because pay attention in paying attention to your plants is
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: going to either save you a lot and wasted water
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: or it's going to save you a lot in replacing them.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: So again, let me jump in, and I think what
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: you're saying is a lot of people are looking for
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the the the basic general answer, like a cookie Cunter
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: template template, But in reality, like you said, it all
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: has to do with your own particular situation keeping you
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: around your plants. Not everything's going to work the same
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: way for everybody, right correct.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And you know, I think it's great to have
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: a good close relationship with your independent nurseries because the
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: independent nurseries typically have you know, experienced help that can
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: give you advice at least and becoming familiar with you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: what your soils are possibly doing in your area. I
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: mean when we tell people that you know, your drainage
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: is pouring place soils, I mean people may know that
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: you know in the wood your time, but they don't
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: realize that that effects a plant during the summertime.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Ed, you know, I wanted to thank you very
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: much for joining us more. Do you have any more questions?
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe just one quick question. Tanya up in San
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Jose said that she said some good results using citrus
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Growers Blend is a fertilizer and that's a collection of micronutrients,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: and I just wondered if if you find that that
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: the micronutrients are maybe more important with citrus than some
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: other plants or or does it depend depend on your soil.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think so. You know, I like real
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: high humudic acid based fertilizer.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: I like what was called Growpower grow Power.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: That was good stuff. Man, that that was really good stuff.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: Now I think I use.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: I can't remember the dang name. I'm so terrible on names,
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: but I.
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: Use a particular variety of popular fertilizer now that actually
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: is real high in humidic acid.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: So I like that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: That tends to I think, break up a lot of
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: the or help to break up a lot of the
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: nutrient the minerals that are in our profile and help
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: to make them available.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And the grow Power plus is the one
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: that was really high. And I even had a little
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: bonus charge of human acid in there.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, good stuff.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: You know, hey, Ed, I'm glad our little experiment worked this,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: which means we can do it again soon exactly and
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: plan for it. We don't want to keep you too long.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, lots of great information and always
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: fun chatting with you, and you're always open for it.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: So I want to thank you, and you know, have
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: a great holiday, Ed, And I hope you're oil blanc
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: citrus or grapefruit, you know, set some more fruit for you.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry that there was some fruit drop. Oh no,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: that's all right.
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: Hey, look at have everybody check out my YouTube page
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: and Facebook and my Instagram page.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: It's all ed ed able abl.
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: E Solutions, and you know, I'm posting stuff every you know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: two times a week now and we're really focused on
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: citrus right now. I'm working with friends nursery up here,
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: which has been very gracious in allowing me in and
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: we've been doing some great stuff with my guests. I
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: bring guests in all the time, so they're fun.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, right, we'll share that for sure.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Ed appreciate it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: You got it, thank you.
• 38:43
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• 40:09
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• 40:42
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• 40:44
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• 40:46
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• 40:49
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• 40:56
  Speaker 3: how big is that couch. It looks like it's like
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: twelve feet long. No, I don't know.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: You mean it's well, it's it's a it's a horseshoe.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: No, that's called a chase.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Oh is that? Oh I see it's separate chase section. Okay,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: and then did you put together?
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Oh I got it. Okay, this couch here, it's not
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: twelve feet isn't.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: No, it's not. I don't think so it's probably what
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I thought.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I thought she was going to say. It looks a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: little small. You guys are all snuggled up together.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: We are snug as a bug.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: It is. It's nice and warming here.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice being in here compared to being outside
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: right right now.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: There's probably a little room noise, a little bit, I mean,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: because it's I mean it's we've got a high ceiling too. Yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: so you know, the the higher the ceiling, the more
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: sound is going to bounce off. Oh really so that's
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: what I was told. No, yeah, the more confined you are.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Take a look at your the joke from this week
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: from Not a Joke Cartoon Cartoon.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, every tiger looks like tiger. This
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: is this is the best rendition of Tiger in a
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: car in a cartoon that I've ever seen. You're looking
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: better and I love you know that. What stands out
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: on this is the little flamingo, if that's what that is,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: That pink flamingo.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: It's like an inner tube flaming.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: No broadcasting from the hot tub. Yeah, something about electricity, right, John.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: And it involves No, you don't want to get shocked
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: the reaction of humans and water and electricity.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: So so you bring up a good point though when
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: we start with the second hour Tiger or part two,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: there could be some residual questions or maybe we bring
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: people up to date. Of course, we were talking with
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Ed Livo. Yeah, and Ed did give a couple of
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: two or three of his what Instagram, Facebook and YouTube
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that he's doing right.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doing a lot of social media sharing information
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: with people, and so.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Feel free to reach out to him.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and kind of like what we were talking
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: about also with this idea that there's information out there
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: and finding sources of information that help you understand what
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: they're saying, because you know, there's some technical videos, there's
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: some technical information and when you watch it or it
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: doesn't really help you Ed has a great way of
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: explaining things that holy people will understand. You know. One
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: of the comments that you know, we'll kind of break
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: into now as people are joining the show is someone
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: had asked during the last show, Uh, let me see
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: if it was leonor or or Tanya, about you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: layering with soil. And Ed was talking about how he's
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: always an advocate for moult whenever he's whether it's in
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: a pot or for his citrus here in southern California.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: And you know, I mean just the idea that you're
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: constantly amending the soil is going to benefit the plants
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: in the long run. So always being an advocate for moult,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: for for putting down whether it's a bark or a compost,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: could be worm castings. You know, just all of that
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: is going to be good for the soil in the
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: long run. And and remembering to do it, you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: once a year, twice a year, because you know, our
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: soil here in southern California specifically is not very good
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: that it will never do harm in layering constantly with
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: mult unlike the Pacific Northwest or the East Coast where
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: they have this constant lone layer happening every year. We
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: don't have that, so we have to synthesize that by
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: putting down more we you know.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: It's kind of what it was referring to when he
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: said people want to know about what's too much water?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: How much do I water? Again? I look at your
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: backyard and then there's John up in Fallbrook, and then
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: there's my house in the middle, and it's the same
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: time of year. But I guarantee we're not all going
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: to be watering the same because we have different soil.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: We're going to have different plants that need certain things.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: So yes, I know it's very simple. People say, well,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: how much should I water? Again? Like Ed said, you
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: got to look at your own situation, what kind of
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: soil do you have, what kind of plans do you have,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and then go from there and just pay attention, you know,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: pay attention to what's going on. You know.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: One of the things I was thinking of when Ed
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: described his Oral Blanco grapefruit being bone dry when he
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: pulled it out of the pot. I'm wandering. During the winter,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: we know we need to cut back on water, but
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: during the summer, you always feel the soils, you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: to see if you need water, don't you just yeah, well,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: I'm wondering if in the winter does it feel cold
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: and is that close to damp so that maybe down
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: below it is bone dry, but your felt cold, yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: because it fell cold and kind of damp, you know,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: like you're describing in the morning tiger if we're not watering.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Now, you're not an advocate of what do you call him? John?
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Sticking to the soil tosh If it's moisture meters? Is
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: that a limit? Isn't an't they called like a.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: If you put it in the ground outside the agricultural
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: ones are called tense.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: That's what I was looking for. Tensiometers.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: You don't use tensiometers, but.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Anyway, moisture media. But you're not a big fan of that,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: are you? No? See how you know this is funny
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: because you expect to elaborate, right, He just turns his
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: head and says.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: No, I've addressed it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine interviewing John.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not even a no, it's just no no.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine like if John's on the other end
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: and you want all these you know, specific you have
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: specific questions and you want these elaborate answers, and well,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: John don't you think that it's a good, good time
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to do this this this yes exactly.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: John before Ed, before we ended the interview with ED two,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: he had mentioned grow power and the human ass. He's
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: a big fan of that and you know, and it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Brings his girl power not made anymore, No, it is
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: oh okay, I still get it. Okay.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, the humic acid, you know, and this
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: is something that you know, we've talked about on the
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: show a lot before too. It's it's not always about
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: the NPK and fertilizers, you know. I mean, there's a
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: lot of NPK in our natural soils. If you're dealing
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: with the pot that's a different thing. You know, you
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: have to you have to supplement the soil with fertilizer,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: meaning you have to supplement it with nitrogen, phosphorus and potash.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: But in the ground, it's all more about releasing what's
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: in the soil, right, and humic acid is what releases it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: People don't realize that. Yeah, So you know, it's it's
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: back to this idea that you know, you take care
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: of you the soil by you know, the proper watering,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: organic material, humic acid, worm castings because in our natural
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Even though we talk about how bad our soil is,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: there actually is a substantial amount of nitrogen, phosphorus and
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: potash in there that people can you know, tap into
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: it if it's just a matter of the proper, proper
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: way of taking care of it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Didn't you just describe the difference between organic fertilizer and
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: chemical fertilizer where one feeds the plant, the other feeds
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the soil exactly.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yeah, And we're feeding the soil here. We
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: always talk about that because the plants are just going
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: to do better. Long term, plants are going to do better.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: You're you're you're going to be more successful later on planting, watering.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And there's always something for them to reach out and
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: take it up as they need it. Whereas chemical fertilizer,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I imagine, is here it's like an injection. Here. This
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: is going straight into your body or straight into the plant.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I've got a tip for people who live in the
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: San Diego area.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the tip of the week. This is our
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: new segment. I forgot about this. The more you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the less you ask.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: This is no, this is this is really good if
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, right now, the absolute best fertile one
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: of the best fertilizers. I guess we shouldn't say talk absolutes,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: but I can't. I've never come across a fertilizer any
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: better than this one that's made by grow More. But
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: it's not available. Oh, it's the retail level. But if
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: you took it off the market, No, it's never been
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: on the market.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: It's just for the Oh, it's for the big one Diego.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: I think they might use it commercially farming. I'm not sure.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: But if you join the San Diego Ro Society, which
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: costs I think twenty dollars.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Which is a good bag of soil for the most part.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Uh, And that's for the year to join, but you
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: don't have to attend the meetings. But it does allow
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: you to buy this fertilizer. And they need the order
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: in December. You pick it up in January at Ruth
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Tiffany's house in San Carlos. And I can't imagine a
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: better fertilizer. Not only does it have the humic acid
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: you're talking about all the organic sources of nitrogen, it's
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: got a ton of beneficial bacteria and fungus in it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: It's got it's got the whole ball of wax, as
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: you like to say, the whole nine yards. We have
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: to take a break, John, all right, are we going
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: to elaborate on that after the break? Probably not, because okay,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I'd like to you know, point us back into the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: won't remember. Okay, We're going to take a break for
• 49:56
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• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show Garden America. How about that
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: broadcasting from a Tiger's poolhouse here in San Diego, California.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: In case you're just joining us or are not fam
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: lear with our surroundings and you're one of those we
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: call them peekaboo listeners or pekaboo viewers, John, those that
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: come and go. We're not really familiar with their names,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: but they are out there and they do watch and
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: listen to us.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Not only do they listen, they also bring us back
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: to reality occasionally, Like I made kind of a sarcastic
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: comment there at the end right about about probably not.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I didn't know. That was only because
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: your your your memory, your short memory is a challenge.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So Lisa goes what a tease, you know what.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: We you just like saying, yeah, I want to stay tuned.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: I want to stay tuned to hear nothing.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: You know what, that's very intuitive, that's very intuitive. So
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I like that. That is good. That is good. But
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: we were talking about moisture and watering and fertilized. Basically,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: the fertilizer you can only get if you remember of
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: the San Diego in as.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: A matter of fact, if you want to go you
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: know San Diego.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I was right the first time, right the first time.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: But if you google San Diego Rose Society up at
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: the top, you can pick I think fertilizers and you
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: can read a little bit more about it. By the way, Tiger,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: you were asking earlier about waiting for people to join us.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Before we got into things, I did have a comment
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: from Torchlake, Michigan, Oh, which was yo bro.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Oh perfect done.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my brother.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: So to get into the comments in questions right now,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Leonor wrote, both of my lime trees that I transplanted
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: into dirt suffered two to three completely dry branches. So
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: you know, this is something that does happen when people
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: transplant in general, sometimes in trees or like fruit, trees
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: specifically have this issue where when you do tansplant and
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: and Ed was talking about this about citrus that they
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: don't they don't like their roots cut they you know,
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: they don't like the roots.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Now, what do you say? It can set it back
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: two to three years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And it's because each one of those roots
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: for a citrus is feeding a part of that tree,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: and if you cut off one root, expect a branch
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: to die, like, you know, not just be damaged, but
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: actually die.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, helped me out here. Why would you want to
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: cut a root to begin with?
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean Ed was talking about more like in
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you know, trans trying to trying to fit it into
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: a pot, you know. Okay, some people will talk about, well,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: you know, it's in the ground, and maybe they're planting
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: something nearby or digging for a pipe, and they'll like
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, I'll just cut this citrus root. You know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: in a in a normal tree like a pine tree
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: or something, it probably wouldn't matter. But a cit is
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: you'll have a branch die after you.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Cut, because because each root is doing one specific thing
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: for that citrus tree exactly.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: And so Leonora was talking about transplanting, you know, and
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying she cut the roots, but it sometimes
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: it's not a matter of cutting. Sometimes it's damaging, right,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: you know. So you have to be very delicate when
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: you transplant citrus to keep the roots intact. I would
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: I would even argue because you like ed mentioned too.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: You very rarely ever see a citrus tree that you
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: buy from a nursery root bound. Always the soils falling
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: away from that citrus tree. For some reason, the roots
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: never really grow down all the way in people get
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: really weirded out because they have this citrus tree. They
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: take it out of the pot and the bottom of
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: the bottom of the pot soil is just loose soil.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: There's no roots in it. And they're like, oh, I
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: got chinzed out because they didn't root this tree properly.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Know that just normal. It's very normal for that to happen.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: So when you're transplanting a citrus, you have to be
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: very delicate with protecting the roots. And I will say,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: leonor though that it didn't kill the tree, it's just damaged. Yeah,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: you probably cut off that branch and now you'll move
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: on and the tree will grow and it'll be fine.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: But you know that probably is going to take Yeah,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: it probably was from damage when you transplant it.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've noticed, you know, like you're saying, tiger transplanting
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: citrus from the nursery when you take it out of
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: the pot and put it in the ground. I've had
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: some trees take like two years and then all of
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: a sudden they just explode and you know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: You see no growth. Ye, take the same tree, right, Yeah.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: So true, water fertilized, it's not doing anything.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing too. Fertilize, Right, Normally, when you
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: put fertilize on a plant, you see this explosion of
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: growth and you're like, oh, it's fine. People will fertilize
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: that citrus and it will just stay there and it
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: won't do anything. John and Bonnie wrote any hands on
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: planting daylilies in a border bed.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, before we answer that question from John,
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: he had asked the previous hour about Australian finger lines.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and if there was a difference in caring
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: for them, watering, fertilizing compared to regular citrus. And all
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: I can say is that in my experience, it's the
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: same type of care. I have an actually my Australian
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: finger line is probably doing better than any of my
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: citrus right now. It's doing really well. Just got to
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: be careful when you get near it because they really bite.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Almost you know when they talk about like things that
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: like shoot out spines. Yeah, but it's like not true because.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: You mean like porcupine.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they say, oh porcupine will shoot out. Don't shoot
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: out it just like they shoot it out in right.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Finger lime is like you want by it and you
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: feel like you just got shot by something.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's sharp too sharp needles.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will say with all that bad press
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: that we just gave it one of the most exciting
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: citrus that you can own in terms of harvesting, that
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: opening them up, being able to incorporate that lime flavor,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: that citrus zest in what you call it, Yes, yeah,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: little explosions of citrus. Yeah yeah, so.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Like a little tapioca bubbles.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: So I'm a huge fan of finger limes. I should
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: get one. I need to get one this year.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah they I think mine took a couple of years
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: before it started fruiting now at fruits on a regular
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  Speaker 4: Braith basis.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: And is yours one of the ones with the blackish
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: fruit or is it just the green?
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: No, it's green.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: You know ones that are black.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Well, in Australia they have all different hybrids and they
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: have they have pink, they have red, yellow, really a
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: lot of yeah, a lot of different color finger limes
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: that I wonder if it would if it was yellow,
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: it should be a finger lemon.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh daily then okay, yeah, back to day.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Well, we got about a minute just for the next
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  Speaker 2: for the next break.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Okay, then we've got to remember to carry it.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Over, yeah, exactly. Keep you would be why why would
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: there be a difference in planting daily? Is in a
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: border bed anywhere else? So you know, when we get
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: back from the break, you know, I mean, you know,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: we'll get into what a daily is and a couple
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: of varieties and see some tips on planting them.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: All right about it? We have a minute still what
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: you said, I just said one minute. I said we
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: got a minute.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: No, you said a minute, and then we talked for
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: about thirty or forty seconds. Again, we have another minute.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Do you know, do you know we should let people
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: in on a secret because we're trying to we're trying
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: to buy some time, right, so we're doing this fake
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: a little back and forth.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Get here, I am not vagant confused.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: And actually I would have answered a question if you
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: would have said, we have a minute, can we just
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: finish a quick question?
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: You know what, I didn't realize sitting in the middle
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: was so dangerous between the both of you.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Who was that old game called Who's on first?
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Something in the middle?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, how about that if we're just
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: in time for the next break? That worked out perfectly,
• 59:14
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  Speaker 2: and it's no longer a foggy day, foggy day in London,
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we're back to day lilies right, yeslies planting them
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: in the border. I plant dailies in my rose beds.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: I think they're one of the best plants for it,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: for doing that, and they're also, I would say, one
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: of the easiest plants to transplant. Right there, you can
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: divide them easily. I think I gave you a bunch, Tiger.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you still have them. Yeah, there's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: there there so many different varieties. Yeah, but I think
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: they're easy to take care of the one problem. And
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: I think they're working on new hybrids. But in California probably,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: well maybe it's actually nationwide. The daily rusty is a
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: new disease that happens is the country ten years ago.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Just California, California.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: And and I don't think there's any cure for it. Brian,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: you experimented with w D forty that did nothing for
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: the rest.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Well at first it did, but after about two weeks nothing,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: So it's the initial you know, acceptance that hey, this
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: is going to work.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: But I guess the good thing about the rust is
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: it's only in the spring, just like with roses, right, yeah,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: no relation. By the way, it's.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Not rust like Russ roses.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, right, there's different varieties or species of rust in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: this one only attacks daily lease. So anyway, it does
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: grow out of it, so by the summer, you know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: pull out all those old rust leaves, or you could
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: use a systemic fungicide.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe I have to admit I didn't know there were
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: so many varieties of rust. Oh yeah, I thought rust
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: is Russ.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, we could be a show on rust
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: never sleeps. It doesn't russ, I don't get it anyway.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: The I'm into rust now he lost his train of thint.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say that a lot of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: diseases uh sound have similar names, but they're specific to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: uh host plants, right, you know, like so.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Rose rush would be different than something else called it
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: in a.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: Different type of ross. Okay, yeah, yeah, did you.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Ever know anybody named Rusty? Usual kids with red hair? Right, Rusty?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: That's one of the one of the hit songs from
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: the Upers, though, is Rusty Chevrolet? Thea have you not heard?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: You're a br I know if I haven't heard? What what?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: What?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Decade?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: The Upers? I think they're timeless. But they're from northern Michigan.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Well they're from John's backyard.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but U pers so for Upper Peninsula is they're
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: called the Upers. And they had two hit songs. They
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: had Rusty Chevrolet in the second week of Deer Camp.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: And what radio station played these songs? Oh?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: Everyone played them.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, No, we're off topic. I'm sorry, all right, all right, John,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: But back to John. You were you were commenting on
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: how much you love day lilies, and you know, to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: answer John's question about any tips for planting day lilies
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: and border bed you know you mentioned the rust I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: will say that I've also found that they they like water,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: you know, so it's good to plant it in an
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: area that's going to be, you know, a little bit
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: more wet than maybe some of the other parts of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: the garden, just because they have a tendency to grow
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit better for me, you know, in that
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: kind of environment. They do like fertilizer too, or they
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: like nitrogen, So I think that's a good.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: Time of year to divide them. Also, yeah, yeah, you know,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: because the crown's easy to dig in and they're semi dormant. Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say they shouldn't get any stress, right, Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: So also have edible roots, do they?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Yeah, they're like a little like
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: tuber you put it in a salad kind of thing.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, really, yeah, they are.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Just don't cut one off.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Kevin wrote, would you agree that key limes or Mexican
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: limes and kumquats are the easiest citrus to grow in
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: large pots like half barrels? And I will agree with that, Kevin,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: because those trees you mentioned are also usually the most
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: compact citrus. You know, usually usually a lime tree is
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: going to be more compact than an orange tree, a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: kumquat tree is going to be more compact than a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: lemon tree. And because of that reason, they grow in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: those barrels, you know, much easier than you know, a
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: myer lemon or a grapefruit or anything like that.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Those in Kelamandon's keelamandans are extremely easy. And in Michigan
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: in the sixties, actually in cold weather climates in the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: sixties during the house plant craze when it started, a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: big thing was miniature orange trees, and what they really
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: were was klamand But you know, you can imagine if
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: if there's six feet of snow outside and you've got
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: this citrus in your house, with these little tiny oranges.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: I have a question for Lisa, because she asked us
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: to ask, or she didn't ask us a question, she
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: made a comment and she said, I'm ready to take
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: out my ornamental pomegranate for just that reason. The thorns
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: are crazy. My question is why anybody plants a ornamental pomegranate,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I get why people would
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: plant a ornamental.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: It's exactly what we were just talking about with the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: miniature oranges.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: That's why they planted the ornamental pomegranate.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: Right, because you get they're small, right, Yeah, dwarfs did
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: do well inside and you think you're getting a pomegranate,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: but you get the little but I don't.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: But I'm not a huge fan of pomegranate bushes in general,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, Like I get what
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: you might.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Even even more reason for you to want to pomegranate
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: miniature pomegranate or in a mental one, it's because you
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: don't like the fruit anyway.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: No, I don't like the bushes, the plants, the plant like.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: You know, flowers are kind of pretty. Yeah, they're drought tower.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: I forgot about the flower.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: And there's flowering pomegranates, you know, some with the variegated flowers.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, I forgot about the flower. Yeah, I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: was just thinking about the plant itself. I'm not a
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: huge I'm not. I've never been like a pomegranate.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think you should have put the bad mouth
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: on them, because I know they're great.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Play you put the Lisa just shut off the show on.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Well now let's get back to what I love.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: The flowers.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you, Lisa, great flowers.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, you compared it to the thing they used to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: call miniature oranges that were growing inside Klamandan. But but
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: they do well and you can grow them in side
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: upbviously the right if you look they.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: Kind of well, you know a lot of those plants
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: that was Yeah, a lot of those plants. What you
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: do is put them out in the summer and then
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: bring them in and bring them in the winter. So
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: in the winter it's just keeping them at the survival stage.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Now if you brought them inside. You know, they say
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: music sometimes helps plants grow. Do you think that these
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: plants would thrive with the upers?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know about that.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: You played uper music. They might used to have a.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: Friend that lived in Canada that grew citrus trees in
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: the ground in Canada.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Did they put like a dome over them?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: They built a greenhouse over them.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I was going to say right next to the hockey ring.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: But you know, not not keeping them in pots. Actually
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: put them in the ground and they had this this
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: entire greenhouse which is citrus.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know that and that's where we
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: get into the real controlled environment, the real fancy people.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: If you were in England or someplace like that, you
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: call it your people, your orangery, your orangery interest rate.
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  Speaker 3: My key lime had a bumper crop this year. It
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: wants to drop all its fruit at once, then starts
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  Speaker 3: blooming again. Good thing the fruit stores will.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: That's uh. Lisa's in Redding too, right, I think they
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  Speaker 4: might not be hard Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: meant Linda, but Linda's in reading, and I think that.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, my mind just went blank. Let's see. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking that maybe they're not hardy there, oh
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: bud key lime. Yeah, because I don't know why. I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: just thought they were more tender, but apparently not, because
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  Speaker 4: it gets pretty cold and reading it does.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jose, California sunset. It's such an awesome ornamental pomegranate.
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  Speaker 3: Look at it. See, look at it.
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  Speaker 2: You all.
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  Speaker 3: It takes wrong feelings about.
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  Speaker 2: Is to come up with a subject and then you
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  Speaker 2: go right to the heart of that person that's so
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  Speaker 2: passionate about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I agree with you, Jose.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: John, As we were saying, pomegranates are one of the
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  Speaker 4: best plants. Yeah, they're so even the ornamental ones, they're
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  Speaker 4: so beautiful, not just.
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  Speaker 2: The flowers, the entire plant.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: One more citrus question. What pest eat citrus? Or did
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: someone just strip my tree? Had a barrel with a
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: mandarin and now they're all gone. Squirrels? Oh what pests
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: don't eat citrus? John, I mean, I mean it could
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: be grasshoppers. It could be.
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  Speaker 4: Is she talking about the fruit?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: No, I think I think talking about the because with
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: the fruit rats.
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  Speaker 2: Is I was gonna say the fruit the rest. But
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: if it's if it's a leaf, don't you see if
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: it was if it's from the outside or the inside
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: my tree.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could have been rats, I mean, grasshoppers. I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: mean so much.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Stuff and we had a rat eate the different bakia
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: that that you gave me, and also ate the wandering
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: jew that John gave me.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: Dug again.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, just saying at the same time, we gotta
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: take a break. Okay, different bakia. That's that's the key one.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: When we returned, different Bakia, different Bakia, We're gonna take
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: a break. We've got one more segment, Man time flies Fast.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: One more segment for Biss Talk Radio. Facebook Live. This
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  Speaker 2: is Garden America. If you if I stayed with us
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  Speaker 2: this long, congratulations you are a trooper the a BizTalk
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: radio or Facebook Live. We've reached the final segment, the epilogue.
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  Speaker 4: John is, Well, you know, I brought a couple of
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: plants I wanted to show too.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: You waited a long time. I talk about a tease.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about those we've got. We've got about seven
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: seven and a half minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I Tiger's watching over there.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Can people see these?
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  Speaker 10: No?
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  Speaker 3: Hold it up?
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  Speaker 4: I got you now, Okay, Well, anyway, excuse me. I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: had mentioned how I picked up a couple of plants
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: in Idaho, and one was this miniature aonium, which I'm
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: sure is kind of common, but I've never seen it
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: down here. Have you sold these, Tiger?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I have, Okay, but it's really
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: cool looking aonium.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, of course, they grow them indoors up in Idaho,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: but I'm going to put this in my landscape, and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: I just thought it was kind of cool. Aonium is
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: the I'm trying to think it comes from a Greek
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: word called uh aonia or eonia, something like that means immortal, everlasting, evergreen.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: So anyway, that's where us come from.
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  Speaker 3: And then aonium is one of those weird, not weird,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: but succulents that you know people we talked about this before,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: where a lot of succulents they have almost like a
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: reverse dormancy where they kind of go dorma in the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: summertime and in the wintertime. And what happens is that
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: little rosette.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: Shrinks in summer.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: It shrinks into the summer like dying you do. And
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: people will throw water on it and fertilize it. Good
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: way to kill it. But then right now they just
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: they just thrive. They look so beautiful.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: After Christmas they start blooming, right. Yeah, you get those
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: yellow blooms, especially if you have the aonium schwarzkup uh,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: you get that dark purple full called a yellow bloom
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: contrasting it.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: Then the other thing I picked up and Tiger said,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: told me he's seen it before, but I.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: So John didn't get it as excited after I said that, Well.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: I could only get it in this combination planner, which
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: I'm going to end up taking apart. But the jade
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: plan in there I had never seen one with that variegation,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: And it's kind of surprising because when it was in Idaho,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: this creamy part of the leaf was pure white. Oh
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: really Yeah, So I've been acclimating these two being outdoors,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: so putting it out in the sun is turned that creamier.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: So I'm thinking because of the hot weather, it might
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: be a defense mechanism.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I would imagine you would have put it under your eaves,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: right outside your slanting lass door before you brought it outside.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what I should have done, but put it
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: out in full sun because I thought the weather was cooler,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: which it was when we went to idahope, but we
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: came back. Now we've had those eighty degree days.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Talk about that a little bit, because this is something
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: people need to know that People think succulents are full
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: sun plants no matter what it is, right like, they think, oh,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: it loves to be out there in the full sun,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: love to eat. But the thing that people don't realize
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: is that the coloring actually gets more striking, usually with
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: a little bit of protection.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: Right depending on what it is, like Echavarius, you know
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: a lot of those prefer partial shade.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the colors can just be so striking, but when
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: you put it on the sun, it kind of.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Like it bleaches bleaches it.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of does.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: So I'm thinking maybe if I my other jade plants
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: are in full sun, I'm thinking if I put this
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: where it's going to get partial shade, it might light
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: you see.
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  Speaker 2: To me, it looks crowded in there.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to pull them all apart, I hope. So, yeah,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: I only bought it because they didn't have anyone.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: He bought eight plants for the one.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: Can you see others?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: So anyway, those.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: Are the John comes back from his trip with.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those were for the people who were asking last
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: week if I had brought anything back and let's see. Oh.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: John said that the could also be raccoons, yes, which
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: he's had a problem with, and maybe they've come back.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: And so it was the fruit.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Was the fruit that was talking about, right.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: And if you have raccoon, if you have a lemon
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: tree and your raccoons have scurvy, I mean they're just
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: trying to protect them.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Years ago, when we lived in Alpine for a brief
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: time and you had a place up there, a business
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: at one time, the night we moved in. It was
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: it was one o'clock in the morning. We're bringing boxes in,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: We're bringing all these things in. The sliding. Glass door
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: is open. I look outside on the patio and there's
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: these raccoons, a family of raccoons, and they've got their
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: their hand up.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were they were waying free to move in, like.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: What you know. Find out the lady that used to
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: live there would feed them. There was a plum tree outside.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: They lived in the plum tree and they were getting fat.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: And when they did a number on the plumb tree,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: they come up to the sliding.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: They expect, you give me some more plums. And they
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: only had Trader Joe plums. They were like they we
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: only we only eat plums from Trader Joe or Whole Food.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: But that verifies the possibility of raccoons.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: Tanya wants to know if variegated plants in general like
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: less sun. It depends. You might say that that could
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: be a general general rule of thumb, but there's a
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: lot of exceptions because if you think about variegated a gobbies,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: they thrive in full sun.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Ye know.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, rubs, very hardy shrubs.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so but you bring up the issue that variegated
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: plants also can be very sensitive right to the son.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: They could burrow much easier because they lacked the.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: Hey, I quick, just off topic for a second. We
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: rarely do this, never go off topic. But I did
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: want to thank all the people who asked for copies
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: of the chapters from my book to send back comments.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: I've gotten a lot of really helpful comments. I even
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: started a new book and I asked got a comment
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: from Tiger today on whether I had done it properly.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: So I do thank you, and I and I apologized
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: to the people who were on Facebook Live last week
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: and said I want to read it, but did not
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: send me their email, and I don't have your email,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: so I couldn't send it to you. And I don't
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: see Carl on today, but you know, especially Carl, I
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: did have an old email addressed from her, and I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: tried to send her a copy and it didn't go through.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: And then ah, then I also closed to wrapping it, okay.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: I also wanted to mention quickly that it's a fiction book,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: say it's not a gardening book. And for the people
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: who were surprised that it wasn't about Gardening. I apologize.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: That's it. Well, thank you so much. That's going to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: do it the first experiment here in the Tiger's pool
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: house and getting it Liva online. We'll have some more
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: guests coming up in the very near future. Thank you
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: for joining us, those on BizTalk Radio. Thank you to
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Stephanie for keeping us on the air nationally, and those
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: of you on Facebook Live, those that listen to us
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: on Bistalk Radio. For the entire crew, I'm Brian Maine, Tiger,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Peala Fox, John Begnasco. Will do it again, not next week,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: but in two weeks. Correct, Tiger, We're off next week,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: back in two weeks. This is gardener Meeric
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  Speaker 7: To