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Grieving father of child killed in school bus crash demands better protections for our kids · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one thirty two. A horrific crash, a school
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  Speaker 1: bush crash, claiming the lives of a young child and
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  Speaker 1: a teacher. Why why is this happening? Every time you
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  Speaker 1: turn on the news, every time you see a billboard
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  Speaker 1: by the side of the street, it talks about seatbelts,
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  Speaker 1: It talks about car safety, It talks about not texting.
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  Speaker 1: For Pete's sake. Oprah's talking about not texting it's against
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  Speaker 1: the law to drive, or being in a car without
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  Speaker 1: a seatbelt. Why and this day and age, is there
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  Speaker 1: a fatal school bus crash with a beautiful child dead.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Javonni Vargas, the father of that
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  Speaker 1: wonderful child whose life is lost in a needless cr ash.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. We want justice first to Giovanni Vargas.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: what happened on that fateful day. Well, Nancy, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Bear with me. I said I would be
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  Speaker 1: strong and I'm trying my best. Um that day, Um,
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  Speaker 1: that morning was a good morning. Uh yeah, it's usual.
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  Speaker 1: We got them ready, We got them ready for school.
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  Speaker 1: And I said them because she had a twin who
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  Speaker 1: is with us today. She's listening in. She's here next
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  Speaker 1: to me, and it would a good morning. They were
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  Speaker 1: excited about the trip. Um, Miranda. Um, I got ready
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  Speaker 1: before her sister, and she made sure I knew that, Um,
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  Speaker 1: and she was ready. She was ready to leave, and Um,
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  Speaker 1: she gave her mother a kiss. Um. We went outside,
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  Speaker 1: we got in the car as we usually would, but
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  Speaker 1: she something prompted her to go back inside. I think
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  Speaker 1: of her mother, more kisses, h and she been that okay.
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  Speaker 1: She came back in the car and inside into the
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  Speaker 1: car and said that I'm ready and I would always
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  Speaker 1: drop them off in school every morning. UM. So I
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  Speaker 1: drove them to school and she got out of the
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  Speaker 1: car and um, as as usual. She I can't say
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  Speaker 1: it was the first time she did it, but she
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  Speaker 1: would drowned me with kisses. And I didn't know it
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  Speaker 1: would be the last time I see her. But I
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  Speaker 1: watched to walk away and I even said, honey, um,
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  Speaker 1: you got to hurry it up because there are cars
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  Speaker 1: behind us. She said, okay, I love you, daddy, and
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  Speaker 1: and she left. So I went back home, finished annybody
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  Speaker 1: for okay, I went to work. Um my wife paused me.
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  Speaker 1: She says, baby, UM, there was an accident amount alive
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  Speaker 1: and I think it might have been um the the
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  Speaker 1: school's uh school bus and you know during de nial
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  Speaker 1: at that point, and I said, no, baby, she can't be.
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  Speaker 1: How do you know that? She said, Pabe, I think
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  Speaker 1: it is. Can you please look into it. I called
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  Speaker 1: the school school said yes, there was an accident, and yes,
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  Speaker 1: my member without that bus. M. Of course my heart stopped.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know how to tell my wife's that, but
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  Speaker 1: I knew I had to call the right back. I said, babe,
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  Speaker 1: yes she was on that bus. So she is on
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  Speaker 1: that bus, and um, she took it very hard. I
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  Speaker 1: raced home. I told I told everyone I had to leave.
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  Speaker 1: But again, I'm trying to be optimistic about it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: she You know, I've always been a cup full kind
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  Speaker 1: of guy. I'm as positive as they get. Like I said, no,
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  Speaker 1: it can't be. You You know, she's fine. I know she is,
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  Speaker 1: But yet I couldn't help. I couldn't help worrying obviously
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  Speaker 1: as a father, and and and we were both crying.
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  Speaker 1: I picked her up, meaning my wife, UM, and we
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  Speaker 1: drove to what we thought was a hospital where she
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  Speaker 1: was UM. And after that long drive, we found out
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't there. We did get a run around. Everywhere
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  Speaker 1: we called, she was not there. No one would give
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  Speaker 1: us a straight end. So we called the school. The
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  Speaker 1: school would tell us, you know, we don't know anything,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know anything. We don't know anything. Um. So
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  Speaker 1: we were obviously frantic. Um. After maybe an over an
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  Speaker 1: hour of asking and searching and and worrying and my
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  Speaker 1: in laws all over the place. Finally, Morris H Morris
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  Speaker 1: County Hospital, Morristown Hospital reached out to us and said
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  Speaker 1: we have her those exact words. And I was so
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  Speaker 1: excited because I thought that, you know, bumps, bruises, anything
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  Speaker 1: but this. So we raced to the hospital. We got
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  Speaker 1: there and you know, we also we had to wait.
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  Speaker 1: Are you even longer? It was gut wrenching. There's lots
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  Speaker 1: of parents crying, worried about their kids. I'm listening to
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  Speaker 1: doctors tell parents your son needs brain surgery or you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hearing the worst things. And then the nurse sits
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  Speaker 1: next to us and says, I asked her how were
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  Speaker 1: the kids? She says, oh, bumps and bruises. So that
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  Speaker 1: made me feel a little better. After maybe I don't
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  Speaker 1: know forty five minutes of just sitting and waiting and crying. Um, finally, uh,
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  Speaker 1: one of the nurses says, okay, we have information for
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  Speaker 1: you for you come with us. I knew something was
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  Speaker 1: wrong because behind us was maybe five six for different
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  Speaker 1: people suits. They're following us and they take us into
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  Speaker 1: a room and we're sitting in the room and there's
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  Speaker 1: a what appeared to be some type of therapist staring
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  Speaker 1: right at us, and I say to her, I asked her,
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  Speaker 1: why are you what's going on? This is got wrenching,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, can you please? She told someone else,
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  Speaker 1: can you please get them in here. So the moment
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  Speaker 1: I saw a priest, what do that door? Everything stopped moving,
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  Speaker 1: everything stopped. I knew something was wrong, very wrong. And
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  Speaker 1: the chief of police, Promise Police came to my wife
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  Speaker 1: and said, and I would never forget these words. We
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  Speaker 1: tried to do everything for her little body, but we couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: We couldn't do anything. We couldn't favor it. It was
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  Speaker 1: the worst moment of my life. I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do with it myself. I was still trying to
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  Speaker 1: support my wife. No one else knew. Slowly the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the family started to come in and of course
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  Speaker 1: they clearly lost it. She she was very special to
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  Speaker 1: all of those. She was a good girl. It was
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  Speaker 1: so hard. Um, I love kids, but just anyone who
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  Speaker 1: knew her, I knew that she was just an amazing
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  Speaker 1: human being. No malice um ten year old still watching
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  Speaker 1: cartoon was ten year old can after tiny kids watching
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  Speaker 1: guava juice and gymnastics, and she's very into gymnastics. And
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  Speaker 1: I loved Hernandez. I forget her. Um, Glorie Hernandez and
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  Speaker 1: um Ellen de Generous was one of her favorites and
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  Speaker 1: she just was a great kid. So it's from that
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  Speaker 1: bay on our lives have obviously changed. Um. It's very hard,
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  Speaker 1: very very hard to fathom moving forward. Um. But that
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  Speaker 1: being said, UM, I know, and I've been trying to
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  Speaker 1: be strong for my family. It's just hard to tell
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  Speaker 1: the story. I've been trying to be very hard for
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  Speaker 1: my my my baby, and Madison was sitting next to me,
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  Speaker 1: my wife, who has taken this extremely hard. Um, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's very hard to even again fathom moving forward
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  Speaker 1: without my baby. Uh. Every morning, the morning is of
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  Speaker 1: the hardest. You come to realization that it's it's true.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a it's you know, it's not a nightmare,
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  Speaker 1: it's real. UM. I know I can't do anything about
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  Speaker 1: this in terms of bringing her back. I know that
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  Speaker 1: she will always live with me, she would always be
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  Speaker 1: in my heart. UM, and I know I can't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: But being that she was such an advocate of kids,
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  Speaker 1: she uh, she would get awards called Patner Back Awards, UM,
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  Speaker 1: which meant that she would help a kid. Um. She
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  Speaker 1: was great, great with kids. So being that she was
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  Speaker 1: that kind of person, I choose to continue go see
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  Speaker 1: and helping kids. UM. I think this is gonna help
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  Speaker 1: me with my my my my healing process, my life's
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  Speaker 1: healing process, and my baby sealing process. Um. What happened
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  Speaker 1: should have never happened. It should have never happened. This
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  Speaker 1: was pure negligence on many parts, not just the driver.
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  Speaker 1: I don't just blame, of course, it's his fought from
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  Speaker 1: doing such an agregious decision and and and and taking
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  Speaker 1: my baby from me. But I blamed many folks, many folks.
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  Speaker 1: I could have avoided this from happening, avoided him from
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  Speaker 1: being on that seat, avoided this these busses, but for
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  Speaker 1: for being in the condition that they are and not
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  Speaker 1: being properly uh uh, you know, structured with the proper
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  Speaker 1: seat belt. I still wonder how did that, how did
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  Speaker 1: that boss come come out come? Apart from the actual chassis.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's so many things that so many questions
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  Speaker 1: that I have with me speaking, is Mr Giovanni Varcas,
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  Speaker 1: the father of a beautiful, beautiful on the outside and
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  Speaker 1: on the inside. Little ten year old girl, a twin, Miranda,
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  Speaker 1: who was killed in a horrific and fatal school bus crash. Giovanni,
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  Speaker 1: you stated that mornings are the hardest time for you.
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  Speaker 1: I had that same experience after my fiance was martyred
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  Speaker 1: mornings and late nights. Why our mornings so much more
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  Speaker 1: difficult for you? Because you wake up hoping it was
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  Speaker 1: a bad dream. You really do, You're still you know
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  Speaker 1: you're I think initially we're in a state of denial,
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  Speaker 1: where in a survival state. Um. And again when I
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  Speaker 1: wake up, I realize that I'm awake and I without
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  Speaker 1: my baby. Um. During the day, we try to keep
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  Speaker 1: as busy as possible. I try to be as strong
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  Speaker 1: as possible and again supporting my wife and my daughter
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  Speaker 1: and keeping them busy and doing whatever it takes to
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  Speaker 1: get through through the day. UM. You know, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of folks will tell you take it day by day. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I disagree. UM, and I disagree because I heard something
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube and of course, and you wouldn't know, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: in this initial stage, you're You're hungry for information, You're
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  Speaker 1: hungry for aunts, You're hungry for solutions, and so we
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  Speaker 1: go on YouTube and we're looking for grief counseling or
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  Speaker 1: advice or something. And a gentleman's that lost his girls said,
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  Speaker 1: I took it one breath at a time, and that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what we're doing. And I'll speak for myself, that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what I'm doing. I'm taking it one breath at
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  Speaker 1: with a heavy heart, um that we stand before you.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier this morning, three busses from the Parremise Board of
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  Speaker 1: Education carrying fifth graders from Eastbrook Middle School was en
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  Speaker 1: route to Waterloo Village in stan Hope, New Jersey on
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  Speaker 1: a class trip. At ten one hours, one of the
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  Speaker 1: busses was involved in a serious motor vehicle crash involving
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  Speaker 1: a dump truck near exit on Interstate eighty westbound in
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  Speaker 1: Mount Olive, New Jersey. There were thirty eight students and
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  Speaker 1: seven adults on the bus, including the driver. A total
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  Speaker 1: of forty three people. Of that forty were injured and
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  Speaker 1: transported to area hospitals for treatment. We know that twenty
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  Speaker 1: one patients are at Morristown Medical Center, ten patients at
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  Speaker 1: Hackinstown Hospital, three patients at St. Clair's Dover, four patients
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  Speaker 1: at St. Clair's Denville, three patients at U M D
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  Speaker 1: and Jane Newark, and two patients at St. Joseph's in Paterson.
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  Speaker 1: Some patients are in critical condition in currently undergoing surgery.
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  Speaker 1: So please keep everybody in your prayers with me. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Giovanni Vargas is beautiful daughter, beautiful on the inside and
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  Speaker 1: the outside. I'm looking at her photo right now, big,
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  Speaker 1: big smiling face. Lost your life on that school bus crash,
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  Speaker 1: A needless crash, a senseless crash, and he's sharing his
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  Speaker 1: story with us. Mr Vargas, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You are describing how morning times are the worst time
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  Speaker 1: for you, and I've got to tell you, the same
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  Speaker 1: thing would happen to me. I would wake up in
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  Speaker 1: those first maybe five seconds, I would think it was
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  Speaker 1: a normal day, that some will be coming through the window.
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  Speaker 1: I'd spring out of bed, and before I could even
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  Speaker 1: really get my feet on the ground, I would remember, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, this is real, this is real,
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  Speaker 1: It's really happening. I just as you know, my children,
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  Speaker 1: my twins or ten, just like yours, and everybody thinks
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  Speaker 1: I'm crazy when they go on a school trip to
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  Speaker 1: the museum or here are there. I am a nervous wreck.
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  Speaker 1: For a while. I actually followed the school bus and
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  Speaker 1: then they busted me and I thought, Okay, this is crazy,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not. What is your understanding, Giovanni Vargas as
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  Speaker 1: to what went wrong? I asked myself that question every day.
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  Speaker 1: But again, Nancy, there's so many different things that could
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  Speaker 1: have been done to avoid this. Um Again, there's we
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  Speaker 1: can't turn back time. But going forward, Nancy, we can
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  Speaker 1: definitely focus around the vetting piece. I think that that
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  Speaker 1: ball was dropped multiple times. Oh it really did, Giovanni
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  Speaker 1: to Chuck Roberts Crime online dot Com investigating reporter Chuck.
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  Speaker 1: Mr Vargas is right, there were so many things that
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  Speaker 1: went wrong. What do we know about the crash, the
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  Speaker 1: bus driver and the condition of the school bus and
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  Speaker 1: the seatbelts. Well, Nancy, the bus was one of three
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  Speaker 1: actually from Parameters to Waterloo Village for this school trip,
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  Speaker 1: and it was being driven by a seventy seven year
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  Speaker 1: old driver, Hoodie Mouldrow, who has quite a record several
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  Speaker 1: violations including speeding, but nothing more than that, No, no
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  Speaker 1: d u I eight seating tickets though, uh and he
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  Speaker 1: became separated from the other two buses when they miss
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  Speaker 1: Let me just stop you right there, Chuck Roberts. It's
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  Speaker 1: one thing for you to have a spading ticket, or
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  Speaker 1: me to have a spading ticket, but when you are
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  Speaker 1: in charge of driving children who cannot protect themselves a
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  Speaker 1: lot of children, parents don't expect that the bus driver
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  Speaker 1: has not one, two, three, four or five, six seven,
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  Speaker 1: but eight speeding tickets. If we've busted them six eight times,
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  Speaker 1: how many times has he been speeding that he wasn't caught.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just not gloss over eight speeding tickets. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: for other people that's nothing, But for somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: responsible for thirty plus children that he's holding in the
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  Speaker 1: palm of his hands, that's the big deal to me,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So let's just establish that. And there's no
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  Speaker 1: system in New Jersey to inform school districts about driver suspensions,
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  Speaker 1: So that's a glaring of visions. Well wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: WHOA wh whoa shouldn't they be doing their own homework
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  Speaker 1: to find that out? Do I have to hand it
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  Speaker 1: to the to the principle on a silver platter and
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  Speaker 1: with an engraved invitation to open the envelope. What what? What? What?
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  Speaker 1: Why are you talking? Did he have a suspended license?
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  Speaker 1: He had a current license. He had a current license.
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  Speaker 1: But you're correctly pointing out, Chuck Roberts, that there's no
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  Speaker 1: way to that that schools are automatically told when a
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  Speaker 1: driver has a suspended license. You know what, don't care.
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  Speaker 1: That's very responsibility when I pay my taxes, that is
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  Speaker 1: for them to get paid to do their job. Bam.
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  Speaker 1: Now this school bus and this driver, what do we know?
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  Speaker 1: Chuck West found on I E D. Two of them.
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  Speaker 1: They all missed the correct exits. And Muldrow for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: decides that he wants to go back onto I A
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  Speaker 1: D and make a U turn at an emergency crossover
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  Speaker 1: and he crosses at a very steep angle over several
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  Speaker 1: lanes of traffic and is hit by a dump truck
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  Speaker 1: and the third lane. Uh. The impact is so great
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  Speaker 1: it separates the chassis for the vehicle uh, and the
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  Speaker 1: buses on its side, and the kids are upside down. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And as you point out, a teacher and little Miranda
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  Speaker 1: Argus are killed several are still in the hospital and
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  Speaker 1: the driver is facing two counts of the hiccuitor homicide,
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  Speaker 1: but he's free on bond. His next appearances on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: Ju it'll go before a grand jury at that point.
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  Speaker 1: You guys with me Chuck Roberts, Crime Online dot Com
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, New York psychologist Karen Stark and special guest,
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  Speaker 1: the father of little Miranda who lost her lot just
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  Speaker 1: ten years old, a twin. And that horrific school bus crash.
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  Speaker 1: Mr Giovanni Vargas, I mean, Jay Vanni, Am I the
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  Speaker 1: only one that uses Google Map or ways? What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean they got lost and did some type of
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  Speaker 1: emergency turnaround that when you have children in your care,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: why would you be trying to figure out as you're
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: driving which way to go and getting all twisted up?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And they all three didn't know where they were going,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: hence the crazy move to do this. Basically U e
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to get back on the interstate. I don't get that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And Mr Vargas, what can you tell me about the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: seat belt situation on the bus? From what I'm told,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the only seatbelts that were available with the left seat
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: belts that From what I hear, are not very sturdy
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of your will. That's exactly why I'm very proud of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Peter for saying and doing what he's doing. We are
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: sticking together, um, to make sure that the three point
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: seat belts are enforced. I think that bill has already
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: been uh presented, um, so we'll hold on, Mr Argus.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more regarding an eleven year
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: old little boy who is leading the fight to change
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: seat belt practices in busses. Now, let me ask everybody
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: who is on my panel right now and who is
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: listening right now, why do we have to rely on
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: eleven year old child to do our work. We need
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to be doing this ourselves and joining this little boy.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Listen to what he says. I was thinking at seatbelts
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: on buses. On the buses are in a seat as
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the ones that are my mom and dad's cars. Their
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: cars have seatbelts called three point harnesses. Buses only have
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: two point harnesses. My mom and dad's sub short in
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: their cars. My body only moves a little bit when
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the bus stop short. My upper body curls forward, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it's the seat in front of me. Why would we
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: make the busses that carry key. Let's see in the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: cars that our parents driver surrounded this little boy, Peter
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Kem and Needy was hanging upside down in this bus crash.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I mean hanging upside down, hanging there, and this child
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: is leading the crusade. What is wrong with our leaders
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and our assemblies and our legislatures. This is not about
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the federal government. This is about our local governments. And
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: this beautiful child, one of a twin, has lost her
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: life because of our inaction with me, her father, Giovanni Vargas.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: When you're talking about her and her sweet nature and
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: her twin, it is just killing me, Joe Vanni, because
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: all I can think about are Lucy and John David
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and every time they get on a bus to go
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: somewhere with their school. I'm thinking about what you just
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: said about that morning when you hear there's been a crash,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and I know that moment is going to live with
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you the rest of your life. At any time as
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you were heading over, did you think that Miranda could
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: have been one of the victims. Never? Never in a million, Nancy.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I again, I I kept on timing myself and telling
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: my wife she's okay. Just bumps and bruises. Maybe it's okay.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to calm her down. But never in
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a million years that I imagine that I would be
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: told this once they finally gave me a clear explanation
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: as to what I transpired. Never, Nancy, never and and godless,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and I have to tell everyone this, and God bless
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: with children, and we have to take aside from everything
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: we're discussing in terms of of of retrofitting the busses
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and and the door, what's right for the kids. We
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: have to take more time with our kids. I thank
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: God that I have always been a parent who puts
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: my kids and my family first. I chose the career
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I chose because it gave me the flexibility of dropping
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: them off and picking them up and helping them with
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: their homework, and putting them to bed and giving them
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a kiss and and just go into their their their
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: their concerts. I never missed a concert. I never missed anything.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And I thank God for that because I know that
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: today I would be torn knowing that I didn't spend
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that time. So I'm telling everyone out there please hugged
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: their child. You don't tomorrow. It's not promised it could
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: be it could be the other way around. That child
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: may not see the parent. Again, let's stop taking this
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: for granted. These are our children. Yes, they have to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: be protected. We entrust these school buses, we trust the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Board of Education, but drivers. But at home we have
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to do the best we can to show them and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: give them them love that they deserve. But I know
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: this is off pretty much off the topic, but I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: had to say that because it's so important, Nancy. You know,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Mr Vargas, you couldn't say you need say more important.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I I hear what you're saying. After my fiance's murder,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: it completely changed my life. And yes, even this morning,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I dropped the children off at vacation Bible School. And
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: when I drove that off, I look back in the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: mirror and I thought, are they going to be safe? Well,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: well I be here to pick them back up. Will
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they be Okay? I still think that way after all
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: this time, every time they leave or I dropped them somewhere,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I'm worried. Yet the other side of that double edged
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: sword is that when I am with them, my whole
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: world is about them, because I know, as you do,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: how it feels to lose the thing you love the most.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Mr Vargas, how is your
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: wife and how is Miranda's twin? But my wife has
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: not been well. Um. She she's not being well at
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: all as you would imagine. UM. She also has some
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: some health problems that have made it harder for her. Um.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: In terms of my my daughter, Madison, UM, her initial
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: approach was a resilient one because children are resilient, and
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't I knew they. I've always known there they're resilient.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: But Madison has been extremely resilient. As a matter of fact,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, she was our and continues to be
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: our rock. Uh. You know, she would come to me
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and say, Daddy, if you want to talk, let's talk.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: That She would say that would you rather see her
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: a vegetable? Dad? Would you so many things to try
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to make me feel better? This is a ten year
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: old telling me this, And she said, I know mirandus
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: with me, and I know she's in a better place. Dad.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: You know that I need you to be strong that um,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: we're going to see her one day. That UM, I cannot,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I cannot really put it in words, how resilient this
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: little girl has been. Recently, it's it's a it's been
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I guess it's affected her a little more. I guess
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the reality pieces coming in. Um. We recently we haven't
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: been able to return to our home. We are trying
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to relocate because just a thought, but just some memories.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It's just overwhelming. We sold our vehicles where we're doing
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: our best to try to start over, which is just impossible. Um.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But we entered the house last week and it really
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: really I think it was a mistake on my part
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: because it affected my little one. Memories just started coming
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in and she said that don't touch the lamp. Um.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: She was the last one to turn it off. That mom,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: don't lie on that side of the bed, that's her side. Um.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And I know that we can't go back there, but yeah,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: she she even said to me that I wish I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: could see her again, even if I see her in
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the casket. Um, she's she's going through different phases. And
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: as to answer your question, UM, and as parents were
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: trying to be as strong as possible and make the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: right decisions, but we all know that going back there,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: she grew up there, She grew up there. Some you
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: her running down the stairs, and that didn't make me
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: breakfast because I made the breakfast and there lunch every
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: single day. UM. So it's it's it's been hard for her,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: but she chose to sit here next to me today,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: UM because she feels the way I do. UM. She
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: wants to fight back. She's a very strong young lady.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: She's a type a personality. She wants to be a surgeon. Um,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and I think she's gonna be a big part of
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: this fight. With me is Giovanni Varcas, who lost his
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: beautiful daughter Miranda in a horrific and unnecessary school bus crash.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Bringing this live now on the condition of those buses,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the histories and the reliability of their drivers and the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: lack of three point seat belts. Getting through a day
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: is really, really, really hard. And that's exactly why I've
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: chosen to do whatever it takes to help these children
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: going forward. I have my children, Natty, you have your
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: children or children all across this country that needing our help.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: With me is Giovanni Vargas, the father of little tenor
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: old Miranda, who lost her life and a senseless and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: horrific school bus crash. And with us is Miranda's ten
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: year old twin Karen Stark and Chuck Roberts. Mr Vargas
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: just detailed why he did not want to go back
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: into his home where they lived as the family with
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Little Miranda Karen Start, New York psychologist. You know, Karen,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I tried and tried and tried. I went back to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: caths home to be with his parents for some time
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: after his murder, and at a certain point I just
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: would be destroyed every time I would leave. I've never
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: been able to bring myself to visit the spot where
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: he was killed. Why is that? And Mr Vargas doesn't
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: want to go back in the home. What what is
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that phenomena? Well, what happens then is that it triggers
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a response in your brain that brings back all memories,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the trauma of what happened, the memories of the person.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Just like with Little Madison, when she's there, she begins
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to relive the life she had with her sister. And
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: this it becomes even more inspruciating that the person is
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: no longer with you. As you described getting up in
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the morning and thinking maybe it was all about dream
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and this is that same kind of a phenomenon where
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden your brain begins to produce all
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: these memories. It's unbearable. I'm so sorry. This is a terrible,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: terrible story. To Mr Varcas, who is joining us along
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: with Miranda's twin, Mr Varcas, you know that federal law
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: requires smaller school buses that wait less than ten thousand
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: pounds to have the three point shoulder belts, the lap
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: shoulder belts. But the thing is, if they're not ten
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: thousand pounds, if they're excuse me, over ten thousand pounds,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that's not required, and the state is allowed to pass
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: regulations requiring the seat belt that Miranda needed. Now listen
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to this, Jovanni. There are seven states that have passed
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: a variation of those seat belts for larger school buses
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: like the one Miranda was in. But get this, they
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: haven't funded it, which means, as I've been screaming forever,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: politicians bragged that we pass this requiring three point seat belts,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: We passed this, that this, but they don't fund it,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and they know full well it will never be implemented
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: if they don't fund it. Do you know, Giovanni, if
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: all the students even were told that they had to
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: put on their seat belts, I would imagine not, I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: would imagine not, Nancy Um. And you know, in addition
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to these seat belts, um, and this is just me
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: thinging out loud. Um. Today's technology offers so much. We
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: had applications to to track a heart rate for that sake, right,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Why why do we not have something out of bus
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that will let us know that seat six team does
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: not have a seatbell on? Why is it that multibillion
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: dollar business length and airliner has a a stewardess who
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: walks up and down and says, Mrs Grave, can you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: please put on your own seatbelt? But our kids are kids,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: for God's sakes, our kids do they unfortunately do not
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: receive this, this this benefit, this this protection, this support.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I guess it's because we're not a multibillion dollar business
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: or unfortunately the legislation is focused on so many other things.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: But the kids, I mean, do they not have kids,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: so they're not care? Even if you don't, you don't
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: have to have children to care. You have to have
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: a half a heart, and do you even a full part?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: These are our future, our children, for God's sake, what
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: is it gonna take. There's not the death of my
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: daughter enough for them to make a change. You asked
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: me earlier what went wrong? Everything went wrong, so bus driver,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the Board of Education, the state, the DMV. I can
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: go on forever. Everyone dropped the ball. And now you're
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: telling me that they passed a law that has not
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: been funded. Where is the logic behind that? I mean,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: do do our kids mean anything? I'm lost, I'm lost
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: for words. I don't even know what to say. Twenty
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: five million children already school buses today, twenty five million.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: How can we determine? Authorities determined whether wearing a three
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: point seat belt would have saved her life. We know
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the investigation of crashes involved the examination of a vehicle's
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: restraints systems, and that means seat belts. Now you look
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: at the vehicle that in this case a school bus,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and it's conditioned post impact, and an expert reconstructionist may
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: be able to tell if the seat belt was buckled
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: or not at the time of the crash. Now, most
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: modern seat belts are installed in the front passenger seats
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: of cars, and they are equipped with pretension ers. Pretensioners
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: those are pyrotechnic devices that deploy when a vehicle is
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: in a crash. Another thing to Mr. Vargas, Miranda's dad
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: is if you're not wearing a seat belt, in so
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: many cases you hear an alarm. It's in every vehicle.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: If you're not wearing your seat belt and there's pressure
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: on that seat, you here an alarm. And school buses,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why the car would, why the vehicle
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: would even crank up and go and drive until every
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: child has on their seat belt. Mr Vargas, you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: in many cases, the consequences of the deployment of pretension ers,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: those pyrotechnic devices is the locking of a seat belt,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and you can look at that and determine what the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: seat belt in place, was it clicked on that way?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: You know whether that is a factor in the case
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: regarding three point seat belts. Exactly what are those chuck
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: robberts that we've been talking about. They are the kind
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: that are in just about every car on the road today,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and uh there's a huge libbing effort to get them
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: on school buses and also uh for a manifest of students.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: These kids had no ideas on them. There was as
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: you pointed out earlier, Nancy, there was no GPS device,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: There is no there was no onboard camera to record
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: driver behavior, and we heard from the eleven year old
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to the fifth grader, Peter cam and Eddie. He also
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: told the legislative family that the kids around him were
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: not wearing their belts, most of them. So you have
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: all that to digest. You know, the cost of a
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: three point belt is about sixty bucks, and that is
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: if you go online to try to buy one. Think
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: of how little they would cost if they were bought
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: in mass and put into existing school buses. To Mr
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Vargas who lost his daughter Miranda in this school bus crash,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: what is your response to what your learning about the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: school bus driver and the horrible decision he made that day.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Well regarding to the the realfit the outfitting of the
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: school bus, Nancy Um, after speaking with the congressmen, the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: information that we found out is that it would be
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: under seven thousand knowlars to re out at these these busses. UM,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: and him and I agreed if we have to do
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a big sale to support it, so be it. Um.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Just legislatives sees this as uh too much money to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to protect kids. Well that's fine, we'll figure something out,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: but something has to be done. Um, how do I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: feel regarding all the information, I'm I am disgusted. I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: am you know, I am beyond frustrated. I really wish,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I really wish that this would have been addressed a
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: long time ago. Nancy, you said that you know million students, right, Uh,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: we're looking at about six hundred school buses on a
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: daily basis, having million kids. Why did this have to
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: happen for something to take place, for someone to finally
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: wake up and and and where you know this battle
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: is not even complete or one yet, but why did
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: this have to have Why did I have to lose
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: my girl for this to happen for something to take place?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And that's and I know that what I'm about to say,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I know this is not the topic of discussion, but
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: we look at the schools. How many students have to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: take place for someone to finally step up and do
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: something about this? It's a pattern this school. Okay with
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: you know, a little interview on TV, great wonderful pat
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: on the bad good job, next school? When is something
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I when is this country going to realize that our
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: kids are important? I'm assuming they have children, I'm assuming
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: they have family that does And again, you don't have
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: to be apparent to understand the value of a child.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: So I feel absolutely disgusted, but yet strong and determined
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: in making sure that we win this fight. It's I
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: know it's going to be an uphill battle, but I'm prepared,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: very honestly, there is nothing that's ever going to stop me.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I am going to fulfill her legacy. Well, you know what, Giovanni,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: brace yourself because forty two states do not require lap
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and shoulder belts a large school buses forty two forty two,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and that means that every time most children get on
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a school bus, they're at risk. Our smallest and you
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: know what we go through with You have to wear,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: have a booster seat in a car seat, reverse the seat,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: get pointed the back, this and that, the sensors on
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the cars. Twenty five million children at risk, and we
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: just go about life with blinders on like it's okay.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: It's not okay, Giovanni Vargas, I want you to speak
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to our listeners now and explain to them what you
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: have been going through since Miranda lost her life and
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: what needs to be changed now on a daily basis.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, Nancy, it's um it's really a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: struggle just to get by. UM. You know, this morning,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I woke up and I said to my mother and
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I said, I think I'm in denial because I still
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: keep trying to find a way to bring it back right.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: And I guess this is a normal reaction. UM. The
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: pain that we feel on a daily basis is almost
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: as though you're very honestly, I asked myself, am I
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  Speaker 1: going to have a heart attack? Because that's how it's cruciating.
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  Speaker 1: The pain is. UM. A lot of initial thoughts that
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  Speaker 1: made no sense went through our minds, but of course
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  Speaker 1: that they went away pretty quick considering that we have Madison.
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  Speaker 1: Madison is definitely our our rock, UM, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to continue moving forward for her. UM. In terms of
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  Speaker 1: what we need to do going forward, we all need
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  Speaker 1: to come together, no matter what it takes, Nancy, for
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  Speaker 1: your kids, for my kids, for the kids of America.
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  Speaker 1: We have to come together in study for all this
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous news that you see on TV about Russia and
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  Speaker 1: all this ridiculous garbage. I'm sorry to speak this way.
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  Speaker 1: We need to focus more on our children. We need
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  Speaker 1: to come together. Our voices have to be heard. If
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  Speaker 1: if you and I Nancy work together along with every
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  Speaker 1: other parent or human being in this country. I am
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  Speaker 1: sure that we can make a change. And I have
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  Speaker 1: to thank again, UH, the congressman who presented the bill. UM.
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  Speaker 1: He's calling it the Safer Act Right, better known as
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  Speaker 1: the Miranda Law. UM. I was honored by that, UM,
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  Speaker 1: and I would be honored if that actually takes place,
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  Speaker 1: if we can name the law after my baby. And
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  Speaker 1: we need people like you to stand by us and
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  Speaker 1: going to be swept under the rug. Whatever it takes, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I am determined. The anger and the pain that I feel,
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  Speaker 1: this is exactly what Miranda would want, and that is
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  Speaker 1: Joining me is Jovanni Vargas, whose message we are sending
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  Speaker 1: daughter Miranda. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off goodbye friend,
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