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Sam the Sky Guy Reads Our Birth Charts (but not AI's because it is not alive) · Curious Cat - where science & supernatural collide

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking clankers.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking clankers.
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  SPEAKER_04: Fucking clankers.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_04: You look at it.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_04: No, we don't.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_04: So don't worry about that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't wear this for you guys.
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  SPEAKER_03: I wore this for Venus.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wore this for both of you guys.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: Look at we got merch.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's actually a dope bad shirt.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a great it's green.
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  SPEAKER_04: Gotta wear green for Venus.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And uh I'm I'm just gonna be in blue work out.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am in black.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm gonna put a green post-it on me.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna this way we can commemorate Venus.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_03: It is Venus's day, and you like Freya, right?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I love Freya.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna we're gonna praise female goddesses today, but also praise Ratty Raddy Piper.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I've green lip smackers.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: You're good.
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  SPEAKER_02: You are there's green on this can and red and red.
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  SPEAKER_03: We got we got Aries Venus going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I have my strength.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is this isn't green, it's yellow, but strength crystal candle going.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like my hair is gonna be lit on fire.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_04: I got uh I was I got a banana candle going in the background in your honor.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, did you get that from like Gwyneth Paltrow?
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what do you mean by banana?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_04: Because remember when she had that line of no, no, yeah, those candles that smelled like you know different things that we can't talk about.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: I got this from the I got this from the Walmart.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I mean like that's not yeah, that's not uh so it's real bananas, it's real manners.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_04: I see manners all the time, uh which is why I got them.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: I feel so loved right now.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_04: The C World condition, Mike.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_04: You remember y'all remember when like Kenny Rogers was like jamming before like with the gambler?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I've got I got I've got that album over there somewhere, Jesse.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: That is like the summer of 76 with me when my dad had this Dotson station wagon and he hated that thing.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: And he would always we'd go to like the fashion fair and eat food with forks at a at a restaurant called Spoons, and he would leave the keys in the car and say, Please steal this car.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then he was so sad after we ate food and we came out and no one install his goddamn Dotson.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_04: I really feel like uh I really feel like everybody in their childhood like ate at a diner called spoons.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: I or I think it used to be that a thing, Sam.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is that a thing?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Are you East Coaster?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm an East Coaster.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember Kenny Rogers had his had his own restaurant for a while.
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  SPEAKER_04: Roasters, yeah.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's Kenny Rogers.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_04: Kenny Rogers Roasters, he did like rotisserie chickens.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know what I love about those places?
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: You go in there, you get like one sandwich and eight different sauces, like barbecue, honey mustard, sriracha, I don't know, ranch.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: You and that's like all about the sauces.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm like an absurd condiment person.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, I love sauces too.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: You should see, it's like you've seen my pantry.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: Have you like crashed my Zoom camera that's in my pantry?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it's all sauces.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like after projected, I came to your house out of my body and inspected your fridge before I agreed to do anything with you guys.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: Your fridge, I had to give your fridge the green light before this could happen.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's all in the theme of green.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, wait, I need to do this properly, you guys, because Sam the Sky Guy has become our dear friend.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_02: We're not sure how we we got this lucky.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jesse and I, I feel like we like sacrificed 10 goats, and I love goats, but to sacrifice something that we love a lot in the moonlight because we have this new dear friend in Sam, and he has seen into our birth charts.
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  SPEAKER_02: He is so good at what he does.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh, we highly recommend that you guys sign up and do your own birth chart reading because you may think you know yourself, but it's like your own personal owner's manual.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: So that's your intro.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: I really we love you.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a pleasure meeting you guys.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: I, you know, love the collaboration, the friendship, the camaraderie, appreciate the openness to um as a historical point.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_03: I think you guys probably ran into me when I was on Rachel White's live.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_03: So that was for the fire horse year, which yes, yeah, for real.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I was I was wearing red that that night because it was Mars appropriate, and I was also drinking red juice.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, so you know.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's what was going on, and I don't remember much else.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: Wasn't there a red light too?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_04: Or am I wrong?
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_04: Roxanne.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that was the blood moon.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_03: That was by totally unplanned, totally unplanned.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_03: That was like uh, I think that was gonna be uh yeah, right.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_03: So a couple of weeks later, Rachel was gonna have Natalie on, but Natalie was having technical issues.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: So a few of us popped on to kind of like pinch hit while Natalie was figuring out her uh computer stuff.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday now.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: I know, but yet it feels like such a fond memory, it just really does.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: And now you have read our birth chart, like individually, Jesse and me.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then it was so hard because I had my birth chart read by you after Jesse, and Jesse's like this, I want to talk about it, but I can't, Jen, till the the podcast on Friday.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, and then I was with you, Sam, on Wednesday, which was a couple days ago.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, I gotta tell Jesse, but we couldn't.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then you've been locking down secrets too, Sam.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: So spill the tea.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_03: Spill the tea.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, well, what what jumped out at me at first is you both have Mars and Aquarius, which is like this whole AI theme, if you want to think about it.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: Now I want to both happen.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, you both have Mars and Aquarius, exactly.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, 22 degrees for Jesse and 20 degrees for you, Jennifer.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: So does he win?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, does Jesse win?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's not about winning.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll do my best to be like fair here.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I don't know if that's a like a contest that we were just in there.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: I just had to say it.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: I just had to say it, Jesse.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, that was so shiny.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: I felt like I had to stop talking, and then I have a green posted on me.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm so sorry for Jesse, my co-host who interrupted us with a photo screenager.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: So Aquarius, Mars and Aquarius.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_04: I never use a flash.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to play the adult here, but so I'm go ahead.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be the adult.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: Please continue and and and and forgive my technical upsets.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's all right.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: So, yes, you know, I had told you, Jen, both you and Jesse.
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  SPEAKER_03: I told you guys that I'm gonna kind of talk about the mutual or the you know the things in common, but I had told you, Jennifer, that it's I would not know this because I'm not omniscient as an astrologer.
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  SPEAKER_03: If any astrologer tells you that they're omniscient, get the hell away, run fast, join some other cult, anyway.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: Uh right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So um, you both have Mars in the sign of Aquarius.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, Aquarius, I connect to the whole computer information tech world.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's one reading of Aquarius, not the only one.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying it's the only meaning.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's interesting, you guys have the planet of war, Mars, in that sign, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: So appropriate.
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  SPEAKER_03: Kind of like an accidental finding, let's say.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we're looking at the MRI, and oh, look, we found Mars and Aquarius where you guys are both fighting artificial intelligence.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_04: That is I mean, I don't think that's a coincidence.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: For that's Cooper barking.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so bad.
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  SPEAKER_04: I didn't know if that was one of yours or one of mine.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's one of mine.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: I locked him out because he was so bad with Sam on Wednesday.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, you're being he was really, really patient.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he was a lot more patient than I would have been if I were waiting to go out and do my thing.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here, spoiler alert before Jesse, you wanted to talk about the Mars and Aquarius.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: I put him out.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was like barely a tinkle.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: He was all fake.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: He heard my husband come home and he thought he was missing out on snacks.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what that was about.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why he's literally he literally just wanted to get in the room while you guys were doing the reading, is what was going on.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: Freaking lab.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's a freaking lab.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's interesting because the planet of war, right?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like, okay, so we could talk about Mars' natal aspects, but you know, we've already done that privately.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, what seems to unite you guys is this crusade against AI.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, now I had I had said, Jen, that your Mars um is in the place of like higher learning philosophy, right?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, public facing religion, spirituality.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, but it's it's bringing, it's importing friends for you.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's importing your 11th house, which is your close friends, your allies, and your public community.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's you, Jesse.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's you, Sam, my new friend.
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  SPEAKER_03: Mars, Mars ropes in your your allies, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Into this kind of philosophical crusade against AI.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: And for Jesse, his Mars is in the seventh house.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, that's committed partners, spouses, but also long-term collaborators and also open enemies.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, for it's like interesting.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_03: For like Jen, for you, it's like spiritual and philosophical.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: For Jesse, it's like, I'm gonna kill every fucking robot out there.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: And here's me like rubbing your shoulders.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: You can do it.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead and kill him, but just one at a time.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: My work, my spiritual work wife, yes.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: Spiritual work wife, that's hilarious.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, that's like the kind of punchline that you guys have this in common.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: Let me see what else is that's doing for Jesse.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: But it's interesting for Jesse, that's all that's importing his philosophy in higher learning and his public-facing spirituality.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_03: So, this is kind of mutual reception of sorts.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, not technically exactly, but listen, it works.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, we don't have to get too crazy about the nuts and bolts of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, you guys have this in common.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's and it's an awesome thing to see.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, um, Sam, can I ask you about Jesse?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: And Jesse, is it okay if I ask a question about you?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_04: No, I don't care.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: So with the Mars um for Jesse, does it also tie in at all to like reigniting his creativity?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like this whole venture that we've been on, it's kind of done that for both of us.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Wouldn't you say Jesse?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's definitely done it for me.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_04: For me too.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's interesting because so for you, it's philosophy.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: So, well, you mean for for Jen, it's in the place of philosophy bringing friends for Jesse, it's partnerships and and open enemies bringing in philosophy.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the creativity, that's interesting because creativity I would put to Venus, where Venus is.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I I don't see anything that's obviously like, yes, this also unites their creativity.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: It is a common mission, right?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: So just taking a step back, you would bring to bear whatever it is that you guys are both passionate about, and you both happen to be creatives.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't have to look at the stars to make sense of that.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_04: The reaffirmation is cool, though.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, it is to see that it's in our birth charts.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's what's so powerful about having a birth chart, is that basically it is truly an owner's manual.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_04: It's the confirmation is the word I was looking for for sure.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: Well, what's interesting is neither of you are particularly crazy about a career as such, a traditional career.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: You're both like zealous for this uh united mission with Mars and Aquarius.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, we don't care.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I don't I don't care if it brings us a dime.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_04: I've tried to uh yeah, I've I've tried to do traditional careers, they don't work.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: But you mentioned creativity, right?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_03: So let's take a look at that if you don't mind.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, please.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: Also both have Venus and Scorpio.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_04: We both do.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: You both have Venus and Scorpio.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, wow.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah, and those are also uh end up being uh what's called a sextile, if we put your charts together, which is a um not as strong as a trine, but it's a harmonious relationship nonetheless.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, Venus and Scorpio is said to be exiled, um, which I think I spoke with you more about, Jennifer.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: Well, for you, Jennifer, Venus happens to be in the 10 degrees of Scorpio where she actually rules, and she's conjunct with Neptune very tightly.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_03: So all of your creativity, your fantasies, your dreams, your inspirations, and your you know, creative work are inspired by this Scorpionic placement.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, for Jesse, it's more about his home, like his kind of sense of depth and attachment and you know, enjoyment and art, even and artistic expression is really tied to his home.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, whereas for you, it's about the grind and churning out work.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: So make of that what you will.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, it's interesting because Jesse, I always think of your barn sales, but also your um, your your video cassette, your books, they're so delicious and nutritious that you kind of keep everything and you have it all organized and cataloged.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that makes sense that that's your happy place.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you have your own Akashic records right there in your midst.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: You've created you're creating it.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's that's uh that maybe a little akashic record for uh all my videos.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_04: But but I mean, okay, shock it records.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'll give you that, but yeah, I I mean I I I I I I wanna build like a library, and I don't know why.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's not for it's and it's not even really for me.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it brings me it brings me joy, yeah.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_04: But I also get joy out of thinking, like, okay, who's gonna stumble upon this one day?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like, uh, who's gonna borrow it or share it?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm filling up some, you know, not like I'm some pharaoh filling up a tomb or something, you know, a pyramid or something, but somebody's gonna, you know, this I this I'm protecting this stuff while I'm around, and then hopefully it brings other people joy.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's kind of how I think about it.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it feels that way.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_03: But Jesse, it is your happy place, it's your fifth house that's importing all this like other people's stuff.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: We've talked about it.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, um, Pisces ruling your eighth houses, other people's stuff, resources, and Jupiter, the ruler of Pisces, is in your fifth house of private enjoyments and hobbies.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: And so effectively, Jupiter is bringing in magnanimously, generously, copiously, other people's treasures into your home where you can enjoy crazy.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that placement for you is tied to Neptune, which again is importing all these fantasies and dreams and hallucinations and whatnot.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, also in conjunction with your moon, where you're feeling very nurtured and receptive and tuned into your emotion body.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, also, the moon controls cancer, uh, which is like the place where you find most nostalgic energy.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: So there, there it is in the couch.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's right there.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_04: That's lit, like if you if you wanted to write like a Wikipedia article about me, just write down everything Sam just said.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's how I feel.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I feel like people need to do this for themselves because you think you know yourself, but sometimes you feel like I don't know, a sense of being lost, or maybe I'm off my path or whatever.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: And who am I at my, you know, for what do the stars say I am?
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: And it can be a path to remembering the things that you love, that you naturally are good at, that you forgot that you wanted to spend time nurturing.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: It kind of gives you that kind of path back, like a hiking path back.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'll admit, I you know, I'm into like this kind of reading that I'm displaying.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I'm most enjoy doing and what inspires me.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: But see other astrologers too, because there's just too much information packed into a birth chart.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: And you're gonna want different perspectives, you want to want tune-ups or maybe just having second opinions, third opinions once a year, just to kind of round out um what's happening.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, now now that now that you've now that we've we've gotten these these readings, like I can't imagine like not getting more of them, you know.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's how I feel as well.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's like you you don't know you need this until you get it, and then you're like, oh yeah, it does open interesting doors, yeah.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, and also paths to healing, some deep, serious healing.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I've been on that path for a while now, but it was interesting.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: You brought up something, and um, you know, when my kids were in school, it was called the no-no zone.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you put a little square, the no-no zone, but you brought that up and you said you need to just be careful and make sure you tend your health there.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I went, and I went, Oh, okay.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I banked that knowledge, and then in the dead of night, I woke up at like two in the morning and went, Oh, that's the sexual abuse.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: So that was in my chart, and it doesn't mean I, but that's how it showed up in my life.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I went, oh, because when you said it, I I thought, oh, I felt like I like dealt with that, you know.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: I've looked at that square on and and I'm like, what you know, what was my I gave birth to two beautiful kids without even an ounce of pain relief because we got there too late.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, whoa, that was my abuse that I suffered.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and how it connects to Jesse is because Jesse and I have been dear friends for so long.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: But one of the things that you told me very early on was like, oh my God, we did Dungeons and Dragons, like is like high school kids and that group of us just kind of kept going and we'd have these campaigns, and that was totally my safe place, was my big brother and his friends.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: And if I hung out there with them, I was safe.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like Dungeons and Dragons means so much to me.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's my like, it's like my happy, safe womb that I didn't get from my natural parents, and you had no idea, Jesse.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: But I was like, we were friends, we've been friends for a more than a decade through the book publishing, but then you said that and I went, spiritual brother, right there.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, it's true, yeah.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: I it's as far as I'm concerned, we we're we're related, like yeah, I know that's we talk about it all the time, exactly.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: So wait, you guys you guys actually did not grow up together, we're not ethical friends.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, no, we didn't like I was in eastern Washington, he was in um eastern Texas, and we just became friends.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like the minute he's the one that called me.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: I was in line with my daughter Bryn at um uh it was California Adventureland.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: We were waiting for the water ride with the big bear rock thing, and I get this phone call on my cell phone, and he goes, We're gonna publish your book.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: And he called from my publishing house and said, We're gonna publish your book.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I went, What?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: And then my daughter Bryn, who he she was so social back then, you know, she's a Leo, and she showed that social part back then.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: So we get on the little raft, she's like, My mom's gonna be a published author, and she was like telling them all about my book and this and that.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so that was how me and Jesse started our friendship, and then we actually got to meet in person, but it was all through Twitter, wouldn't you say?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, a lot of like social media stuff and friendship, and then we got to meet in person and in my brain too.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: I was in line at Epcot when I emailed you, so I don't know, but that's always what I flash back to.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_04: So we I think we may have both been at Disney on different coasts at the same time.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's really cool.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: That is really cool like that at the time.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_04: I remember I because I was uh uh you know, that's when things were are, you know, the startup was like you you couldn't walk away from it.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: So no, it was so exciting, yeah.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_04: So I was constantly like, you know, oh, we got to be in line for 45 minutes.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'm emailing people, you know, and I mean you're texting people, emailing people, calling people.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there was such a great synergy, it was a bunch of really amazing creators that were coming together, and it was kind of a faith exercise in a sense, because what you did is if you had different talents, so like I did uh also um I used to be an illustrator as well as a cover artist and not cover songs singing them, but like the actual covers of books.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so if you felt like you were aligned with a project, you could ping the um the author and say, Well, here's my style, here's my portfolio, do you like it?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: And you would like build this team of editors, proofreaders, um, cover artists, and the authors and the book manager, and you would become a team that that felt like we want to back this.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then you tried to together be a team and make it like the best it could be.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then we all supported each other's books and projects.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was just such a selfless experience, it was a beautiful experience.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: But then, Jesse, you sent me an email last week and said, Were we in a cult?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I want to hear more about that.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I that's all I got right now.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_04: But I was like, I was like, where were we?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's still it.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's still all you buy.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's that's still all I got.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_04: But I was like, it was such a like uh everybody was just like so like oh my god, let's go make art, you know?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: Let's go, you know.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like what we're doing.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Now though is in a way uh more pure.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like uh that's what we're doing right now is we're building 2.0 with the you know everybody, Sam included, that we've met.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we're we've we've all got stuff to do.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what it is yet.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what we're supposed to be making, but that's gotta be something.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're you know, I think what we're doing.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: We're literally, we're literally all all of some of the coolest people I've ever met are all ganging up together right now.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like that's gonna that's gotta mean something, that's gotta go somewhere, right?
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I feel like part of me is a lot of me, actually, like 98% right now, if I'm honest, is saying we are doing important work, which is transmuting fear into love, fear into curiosity.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that's really important because so many people have been in fear mode for I would say six years, even you know, they don't even realize it.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that is such a poison to your system, to your community, to your family, to your pets, to fill in the blank.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not productive, it's like running on a hamster wheel.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that part of what we're all doing is like Jesse and I add this.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: We don't need to, we're like, they're called doom holes.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about the headlines of the week, but we end up laughing our asses off about these things.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_03: We're like, You have to laugh because what's the other option, right?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: I know it's so horrible and dystopian, and it's definitely not the dystopia that we wanted growing up.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: So, right, no man.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: I was and I know you were too, Sam.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_04: I was promised aliens, I was gonna get to fight aliens, save the planet.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna get then it was zombies, you know what I mean?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like uh I was gonna have replicants meet me at the door when I came together.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly, right?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: You know, Rachel from Blade Runner, not the real Rachel in real life.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: I know exactly the I know exactly what you're talking about.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted Rosie the robots in the Jetsons.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I wanted the thing in the wall where I could say, Yeah, I want some dinner, and then the the flap opens up, and there it is on a tray.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: That would have been nice.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_04: Give me, don't give me all that thing, but that's why I'm convinced that we're not in the same place that we started off in.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, is it a timeline jump?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_04: What is it then?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's that fucking hard-on collider that fucker.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, CERN, yeah.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, apparently they had to make it.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just gonna call it the hard on collider.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, they they had to make it bigger, right?
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that the thing with the hard-on collider?
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: It just wasn't good enough, it had to be bigger.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_04: I have a friend who she was drunk one night and she called it the hard-on collider, and I've never called it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: Make sense, yeah.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: I was just interested, like, what are they doing to it?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: Are they like repairing it or are they extending it or what?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, they say it's gonna be shut down for four years, but I felt fuckery this week, so I'm convinced that like I know.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a lie too.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's how I felt too.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: We all felt it the same day.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I sent the article to another friend of mine, and she goes, Yeah, okay, great.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_04: They're just shutting it down for four years so they can make it worse, you know.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: No, did you guys watch the um evil on I think it was Paramount?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's I know what you're I know what you're talking about, but no, man, I haven't seen it.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: No, I haven't seen it.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna spoil it, but in the last season, there's uh a couple of episodes, I think, that tie into something like the large Hodron Collider.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I said it, I said it right just in case.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_04: The robots are listening, which they cave's got a great song called The Higgs boson blues.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, does all this relate to Kroll?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because you guys are gonna teach me about Krull.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know what Kroll is.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: What is it?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_04: Jen, have you you've never seen you played Dungeons and Dragons, but you in the 80s, but you've never fucking seen Kroll.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_04: What the hell?
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, I feel like my dad, Gary Riley, really let me down on this one.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, dad.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Rest in peace, but really let me down.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: We saw Basket Case.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: It was kind of a cult classic, kind of a thing.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, it is cult classics.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, come on.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: I I mean no, at the time, it wasn't, you know, it was made during that whole uh when they were uh and help me out here, Sam.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_04: When they were making uh like stuff like uh never ending story, labyrinth, you know, all that kind of stuff, dragon slayer, dragons, yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of that fantasy kind of thing.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: So wait, what's the premise?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so it's okay.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_04: Who wants to take two jump in jump in at any time?
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, all right.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: Can I just can I just all right?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to say that I'm gonna use this word as lovingly as possible, but crapastic is one of one of the words we have to use for crawl.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because okay, spoiler alert, the opening scene is shamelessly Star Wars, but with a castle, all right?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's like this giant castle is floating through space, and I mean he's he's not he's not wrong.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, are did they do the words at a slant that are disappearing into the sky?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, and it's it's it's called um okay, Fortress of Ultimate Darkness is from uh yeah, it's yeah, it's it it I think they call it the Black Fortress, yeah, something like that, right?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Fortress of but but uh the Fult Fortress of Ultimate Darkness is uh uh shit.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_04: Time bandits, which is another movie right around that time.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they basically just uh went hey, let's just let's just Joseph Campbell the fuck out of this thing, you know?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and uh which which is part of the reason why I love it because uh when I was like when I was a kid, I was like, I don't know what I don't know, I don't know what Joseph Campbell is, but this is awesome.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: Look at that, there's a flying castle, you know, yeah.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's like that long shot where the spaceship keeps on going and going, that's space balled, yeah.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: Except it's a fucking castle, it's a fucking castle.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's a fucking castle and it's flying through space.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, this is so weird.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: I have to Jen, you got to say we we should if there was a way to like where we wouldn't get in trouble.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: No, we're gonna have a viewing party.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: Can we do that?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely on on uh Substack.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, let's have a viewing party on Kroll, get completely blitzed and talk about the movie.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, when do we take shots?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: There needs to be something like we can't take shots now.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um but yeah, so it's set on another planet called Kroll, right?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_04: But it's oh that's the where the name comes from.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but it's basically like uh uh your your standard sword and sorcery kind of a thing, and like so many people that became huge.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's like Liam Neeson's first movie.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: Get out of here, I'm serious.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh who what hybrid hybrid, yeah.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: Bobby Coltry, I think, right?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, that's right.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: There was a guy that was in Braveheart, I forget his name.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: He was in it.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that dude.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: There was like some British actors, like OG British actors were in it that are no longer with us.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Freddie, uh oh god, what is this?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: Freddie Jones.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not asking the clankers, I'm asking the stupid database.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you turned off the clankers.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's got like a six-point something, which is not that solid.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: I know, because it's become a cult classic, right?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, they're they're what about Rotten Tomatoes?
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: What is it ranked on?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: I would I would look at RT because they're not legit.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's totally gamed, yeah.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so it's Liam Neeson, okay, and yeah, you're right, Freddie Jones, and uh Robbie Coltrane was in it.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_03: And oh, and and the mom from Dune played the Black Widow, yeah, the Widow of the Web.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she just got a cool, yeah.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_04: She's the widow of the web.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_04: Is it based on a book?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's no, they made this shit up like some thinner shit they made up.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: It was Dungeons and Dragons, space fantasy.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: It was insane, it really was insane.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: Whoa, and it's basically like uh I I'm not gonna spoil the whole movie, but it's basically like uh, you know, so uh the main dude and the main the main girl, you know, the protagonists, okay, the male and female, they're like prince and princesses in their house, you know, they're joining their houses together, so they're about to get married, and then uh the monster from the Black Fortress comes and kidnaps the uh the princess, you know.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: He sends these things called slayers, they they look like space things, they're like kind of like stormtroopers, and they have like a one-shot laser.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's so ridiculous.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: They have it's just what the one shot.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it looks like a jammer, it looks like a spear.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right, right, huh?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a spear or like jab or something.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a musket, it shoots one laser, and they just and then they have to turn it around.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_04: Then you kill one, they flip it over.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, when you kill one, yeah, totally.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_04: When you kill one, like it uh I guess it's got a I guess it it like its brain jumps out of it and like it's a worm into the giant worm, it's like a giant worm.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: And then do you have to kill that?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, no, the worm escapes, it goes down into the ground because it always goes to the ground, like uh like dude.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: It feels like an LSD trip.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: Are people on ayahuasca seeing images from Kroll?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: That would be something.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure there's somebody, there's somebody out there.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody comes back from an ayahuasca trip, and they're like, dude, I I had the vision of like the greatest movie, and it was fucking Kroll.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: It was Krull.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, wait, I wanted to tell you guys about Polybias.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I told you I would share this.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's this urban legend about a mysterious arcade video game.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: Have you guys heard of it?
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: I think you mentioned it just.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: What is it called?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's called Polybias, like poly, you know, just like Polly, like polypockets, BS, B-I-U-S.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: So it's this urban legend, and according to the legend, the game appeared in arcades around Portland, Oregon.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, it did in 1981.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: The gameplay was supposedly psychoactive, abstract, and dangerous.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: Children who played the arcade game were said to suffer amnesia, seizures, night terries, and hallucinations.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Despite these adverse effects, the arcade cabinet was described as so addictive that players returned to PolyBS repeatedly until they went insane, they died, or they vanished.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: The lack of any surviving PolyBS cabinets is explained by men in black who were said to record data on the players before removing all the arcade machines.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: So there's no evidence for any PolyBS machines in the 1980s, or so they say.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: The earliest known print reference is the September 2003 issue of GamePro.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: And the earliest online reference to PolyBias is a coinop.org page dated 1998.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: There's no record of the supposed publisher, which is Sinuslotion, and no, which sounds very German, and no surviving arcade cabinet has surfaced.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I've even gone to Portland to look for it, by the way.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: People claim to have seen a Polybius arcade game, and they may be conflating it, they say, with memories of unusual actual titles from the period, like Cube Quest and Tempest, and then, but they also went on in this article to link it to the FBI.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: So in 1981, two Portland residents became ill while playing games in the same arcade.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: Ten days later, the FBI rated multiple Portland arcades for illegally converting arcade games into gambling machines.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's so random.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: Parents publicly expressed concerns with this new video game and these arcades that could be dangerous.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: This is insane.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Is and so there were reported cases of epileptic seizures that were linked to one teenager that died while playing berserk.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: Do you guys remember that game?
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: Of course we remember berserk.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: Are you kidding?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: Additionally, Atari covertly tested unfinished games in real arcades to monitor player reactions.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: So they think that that's how it became an urban legend, where kind of these things kind of coming together.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's lasted and it still has cultural impact.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's persisted in video game journalism and appeared in music, TV, film, and performances.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'll send you guys the link to the article, but when you start doing a deep dive, you'll be like, dude, did they do an X-Files on this?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like they should have.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_04: Polybius was an ancient Greek historian of the middle Hellenistic period.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_04: He is noted for histories, a universal history documenting the rise of Rome in the Mediterranean in the third and second centuries BC.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: So there really is a polybean.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, there is a philosopher that that they that this urban legend, I guess, is named after.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_04: I've never ever.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_04: I thought I'd heard it.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_04: I thought I'd heard all these.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: I hadn't even thought to look up what the origins of this name are.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_03: It is such a weird urban legend.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm sure Snopes, Snopes might have some data on it, although it's relevant anymore.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it can't be, it depends on what the thing is.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not sure either, but sometimes I've never entirely trusted Snopes.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just gonna throw it out there.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I mean, I'm I'm too much of a conspiracy guy.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: It was a fun place to go, like 15 years ago.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_04: Totally, even 10 years ago, it was pretty fun.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's like the the cult awareness network, the Church of Scientology sued them and then like put Church of Scientology people in, like when you called the cult awareness network to like get people out of fucking Scientology.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: This is so signature Scientology.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: You were talking to Scient, you were talking to Scientologists, and the way that they helped you was through Scientology shit.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, 100%.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they are resourceful, you gotta give them credit for that.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, how do you guys feel?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: This feels like a mini doom hole, but I wanted to ask you this.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: How do you feel about the Wayback Machine?
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: They're talking about purging the Wayback Machine from the internet.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: I did not hear this, but it sounds awful.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: Terrible.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_04: They they don't want people the the the what people are doing, what I heard, okay, which I'm as much a conspiracy theorist as anybody, but I heard that people are using the Wayback Machine to circumvent the paywalls on on uh articles on news, you know, like like New York Times or you know, stuff like that.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_04: And so uh that's why they're fucking with it right now.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: Are you kidding me?
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because AI trained on all of them and they didn't pay a dime, so now they're gonna go after the way back machine.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that makes me so mad.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_04: Basically, it's just uh it's like it it's it's publishers protecting their paywalls, but they won't push back against the AI companies.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_04: No, of course not.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, the pride of AI is too powerful, it's just like a steamroller, it's just grinding away its souls.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's crazy.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's like uh what you know what they they could have they could have they should have nipped this in the bud way back when they they they just they were like uh oh uh this is how we're gonna get people to subscribe.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: We're just gonna let people we're just gonna let you know give all our shit to Facebook and you know and Google, you know, and then uh they they they got nothing.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's so insidious the way they just wrote people in, get them addicted to what they're offering for free.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, and next thing you know, it's like well, here we are.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, here we are.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let's let's break things and move fast, said Mark, right?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: And then exactly, right?
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: And then, oh, a billion or so subscribers later, oops, I guess we made some mistakes, we should have done things differently.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well, too late, yep.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_04: It is too late.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: How do you fix that problem?
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean, he's he's never cared, you know what I mean?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like you can't that that gap, you know.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, uh you know that they care, but it's just about their tiny group of people because they have the schools in Silicon Valley where it's wild child schools, there's no devices allowed.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: Half of these billionaires have an island somewhere, including Zuckerberg, where they can just escape and they have everything they need to live on.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_04: I think they'd all strangle each other to death with fucking USB cables if you gave them the chance.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_04: I don't care.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: What is it like?
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's like humans running around, no structure.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's like free range humanity.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna say anything about the purge, but uh okay.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I I would pay to watch the USB cable throw down survival.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_03: Let's come back to something fun on the topic of video games.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, please.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love it.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_03: Please take us back off of Doom.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, please, please say something really dorky.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: So back in the day, there was a series of um video games released initially for the Apple II and then the Commodore 64.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: And this series of games was called Ultima.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: So Ultima one, two, three, four, dime.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: Upper Unum.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, sir.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: Upper Unum.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: I've been trying, I've been trying to get it all together, like um the the text games, you know, yeah, that part of it.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_04: And like uh wait, are you guys talking about the text games where you're like you're reading it off a screen and it's what he's talking about, it's more advanced, but there also was like a there was a there, I think it started as like a text game.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_04: I remember my friend playing it, it was a text game, and then I think it turned into like a bigger deal, but I could be wrong.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, so it's um Atari 2, it's called Ultima, and it's a collection of them.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's the Apple II.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Apple II, sorry.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_03: And they've been re-released a bunch of times for like PC console and yeah, all of that.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I've and I've owned them all at some point in different types of you know formats, and then lost them and then had ROMs in anyway.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: So it's if I remember correctly, the first game was the the antagonist was an evil wizard, of course, called Mondane.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_03: And the second game, Ultima 2, is the revenge of the Enchantress, Mondane's disciple.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: I think her name was Minax.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_03: The third game was called Exodus, right?
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: Now, the here's the here's the AI tie-in, or the doomhole of it, or the prophecy of it.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it turns out that when you get to the end of the game, the evil child of Mondane and Minax is a computer, is a machine that's ruling the ultima world, spewing out monsters and evil spells and shit.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: And the way to defeat it, spoiler alert, is to put the punch cards in in the correct order.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_03: It was like the right idea, but the wrong solution.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: Because punch punch cards are not gonna help you.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I kind of remember that.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: Handshaking, handshaking.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_04: There was a like he had a whole list of like codes for the game.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and the other one I remember is is the apparnum and it was like open, it was like uh uh an open sesame kind of a thing.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_03: If I'm not Jesse, what you're remembering is is is so yes, it was text because you had to type in the name of each spell that you were gonna use.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's what that's that's where I'm that's where I'm fucked up.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: Or or or there were specific like individual key because you needed the whole keyboard to play it, it was so crazy.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_03: So, like A would be opera unum to open a door.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: There was some other key that meant to go up the dungeon, down the dungeon.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: There was other keys to cast fireballs.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was so crazy and advanced for its time.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_03: Major props to Lord British, aka Richard Garriott, who uh has since I think he got kicked off, uh kicked out of the company when it became Activision or something years ago now, years and years ago.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, well I think some of it is your no, no, it's no dude.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_04: You're you literally just answered like tons of questions I've had in my head lately, so just out of nowhere.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_04: But some of it's on, you can find some of it on the archive, some of it, there's still an active license on it, and you have to go buy it.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they came out with an ultima online version eventually, where you could play like a multiplayer role-playing game and just like run around beating the crap out of each other.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh shit, I forgot about that.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: That's like a what's that thing that I never got into it.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_04: The world of that's a world of warcraft uh like predecessor.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was the first of its kind, exactly.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: And it was a subscription model.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_03: You could get the client for like really cheap.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_04: And then what I found the other day that I've been going through and I got the map where I went underneath my thing.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: It says Zork the first Zork one.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_04: You can literally it it's Zork was like one of the earliest text adventure games, and you can um it's massive, you can play it all.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_04: I guess Microsoft owned it because Gates was a big fan of it back in the day, bought it, but they just released it all where you can get it all for free.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_04: I I down I've downloaded all of it, and it's like uh they I I got all the manuals on the on the on the on the archive, you know, and uh down and printed them all out.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_04: And so I Sitting there, like going by this map, like what you know, when I ever have time to play this, and go by this map and just you know, going like room to room through this thing.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's nice, yeah.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's really amazing what they accomplished with what they had back then.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_03: And the marketing on those games by Infocom was brilliant because you'd get the game in what looked like uh an LP, like a double LP, and it would open up like a flap, and it came with all these like tchotchkis and spell books and maps and trinkets that yeah, like that was it was like, and but the game itself was just text and you typing like basic commands, yet the marketing really played to your imagination, and that that stuff is worth cash nowadays.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I bet it is.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's like people people are having nostalgia, they're saying, I miss my iPod.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: Why did I get rid of my iPod?
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I have three, and I'm not selling them to you guys, but but those games, I remember the games that you would we had this old clunky computer, and me and my brother would sit together, and it's like you had to ask questions.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, where am I?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: You're in a room and there's blood on your hand, and there's a knife over there, and we're like, then you had to ask another question, then you had to keep going.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: And those were some of my best childhood memories.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's the Zort game I'm talking about.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_04: That's kind of what that was, bro.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_04: Have either one of you ever watched us it and it's been about 10 years now, but there was a series on AMC called Halt and Catch Fire.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: No, uh uh, it's it's kind of it's it it it's kind of hard to find.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_04: It it doesn't really exist in physical.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um you know, but there are ways to get it, which is all I'll say.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_04: Also, you can uh you you can do an AMC plus free trial and pretty much burn the whole thing in a weekend, you know, and and just run right through it.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_04: But uh it it is it it's set in the 80s and it's all about the whole computer, and it's really well made, you know.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_04: Is it a documentary?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, it's it's an actual series.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's got Lee Pace and uh Scoot McNary and um McKenzie Davis are like the three main it starts with like them um basically you know making personal computers and all those old like uh conventions they go to, you know, and all that stuff was new, you know, and and like literally like all that they did, and then they got into programming, and then the internet, building the internet, and then like it goes into games and stuff, and it's it it's I think there's three or four seasons of it, and it's really well done, and it's really it's really compelling.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's better than any and it it it's it's better than any documentary I've ever seen about that shit.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's fascinating.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: You know what it kind of reminds me of for all mankind, which was about like an alternate history of the space race, which is fantastic, by the way, and there's a new season coming, yeah.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh and a spin-off series from what I hear.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: No kidding.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're gonna do uh the they're gonna do the Russian one, the uh Star City or whatever.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: Cool.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's something that's often catch fire is like like kind of mimicking or doing a docudrama of the true history of computers.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's it's it's it's just a it's a general drama, but like it's uh it's a period, you know, it's a period piece like set in the 80s.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we gotta check it out.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_04: That sounds really cool.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_04: Dude, it's it's if you're if you're into stuff like that and like you're nerdy, nostalgic for things like we just went off on video games for like 20 minutes, then yes, you will love it because it's it's very well done.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_03: Let's come back to Krull then.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to make one quick comment about Krull.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_04: Please, guys, we keep going, keep going.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Jesse, check me on this, but I have a feeling or I suspect that Krull was the first like movie ever to hint at a interspecies same-sex romance.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, interesting.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_05: So specific.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: It is very specific.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_03: Now, do you remember that scene where, again, spoilers, the Cyclops rel it has to leave, and Ergo the magician says, I'll ride with you, my friend.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: And the Cyclops says, I have to go alone, or something like that.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: And then Ergo the magician looks at the Cyclops and says, We didn't have enough time, or something like that.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right on.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_03: When I was a kid, that confused the hell out of me.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, What do you mean you didn't have time?
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: Time for what?
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_03: Time for what?
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_03: You're supposed to go save the princess.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_03: That's what you gotta do.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: Let the Cyclops go.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: Now I get it.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_03: They they were like having a budding romance, and while everyone else was camping in the swamp or wherever they were, I'm sure something happened in somebody's tent.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's all I'm saying.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know what?
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_04: I've never actually thought about that, but now that you bring it up, it kind of tracks.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, I need a validation for that because it's been burning kind of tracks.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: Burning a hole in my brain for a while.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_04: The cyclops uh is able to he he he only has you know it he only has the one eye, but like he uh that's what makes him a cyclops, but but but what I'm saying is he has uh he has like a uh psychic power where that the like they can see the future, which makes sense because wouldn't it be on the third eye?
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_04: He knows he knows, you know, ultimately what his fate's gonna be, you know.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_04: So he doesn't really have a choice, he knows he has to go, you know, and and do go.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_04: That is deep, yeah.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_03: So there was this intimate moment between the cyclops and the human where they say goodbye that never made sense to me as a kid, but as an adult, having seen Brokeback Mountain, I think I kind of get it.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, bruh.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_04: I I I'm I'm kind of like now I'm I'm never not gonna think that you're correct.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I can't wait to watch it.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_03: I would like feedback on that.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: I want to go, you know what?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's a really fun movie to sit down and watch because the the effects are so 80s, yeah.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, you know, I mean, but but it's like uh I was talking to a friend the other day and she was like, why don't they make fun movies like that anymore?
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_04: Where it's just like uh, you know, and when you think about that period, you know, everything from like like stuff we you know, we've named a lot of stuff, but like Ghostbusters, yeah, and like you know, Goonies, and you know what I mean?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, there's you're literally just watching a it's just uh hey, pop some popcorn.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: We were supposed to make a movie out of Polybius, the urban legend Polybius, and make our own like silly cream, even though that would go dark, you know what I mean?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think yeah, it might, but there might be spots of bright in it too.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, like you know, Ghostbusters is arguably a horror movie, but it's I know it is comedy, it's also comedy.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they still got talents, right?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_04: And you know what else to me?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_04: A little I mean not as funny, but like uh American Werewolf in London.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's pretty fucking funny parts in that movie.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: It does, but oh it absolutely does.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's such a classic and it really holds up.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_03: That was almost an art movie.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, some of those scenes are just so bizarre, like I agree stuff, yeah.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like into the movie theater and you're talking to the zombie.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's like this is really and and that scene where they all rush in with machine guns, like that's what I was thinking of is going on here.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's really it's it's surreal, you know.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean, I guess they were like, uh, okay, what kind of weird ass dreams would you have if like you're suddenly like I mean, I'm I'm down for getting together and cosplaying Phantasm.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: I know that sounds insane, but oh my god, that'd be so hard.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: Why can't that be a thing?
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_04: Have you did you ever see the uh the one he did with Bruce Campbell?
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_04: The uh uh where where Bruce Campbell's Elvis it's fucking genius.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's so weird.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, have you guys not seen this?
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_04: We saw we saw it in the fucking theater in LA and like in the art thing.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_04: It was great, but it's the same guy that did Phantasm.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's called um oh oh, it's called uh uh it's called Bubba Hotep.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, I'm looking this up, and so I feel like he made this uh Bubba Hotep 2000.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a real movie.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's Bruce Campbell.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: There's Bruce Campbell's chin with an Elvis wig.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Bruce Campbell Elvis fakes his own death, you know what I mean?
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_04: And like uh I'm looking at the cover right now and I'm laughing so hard.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_04: And so uh the reason I knew about this guy, Joe uh Joe Lansell wrote it, and he um was like the writer in residence at where I went to uh college.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, and uh that and they ended up making a movie about and so um yeah, and I think uh what's the guy's name?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_04: Is his name Aussie?
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: Aussie Davis, yeah.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_04: Aussie okay, so Aussie Davis, he played, he thinks uh that he is like JFK and he thinks that he's report and and uh Bruce Campbell at one point he goes, uh I don't know how you're JFK because you're you know, you you're a black guy.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_04: And he and he's like uh he goes uh he goes like the CIA did that to me, you know?
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like but the two of them are like the protagonists of this movie, so you got like JFK and like uh Elvis.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, and then I just the retirement home they're both in, okay, it's being attacked by uh by a by a um uh by a mummy.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like a like a uh yeah, like an agent.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_03: How have I not seen this movie?
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_03: Me either.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_04: This is so my my wheelhouse because you love if you love if you're into Phantasm, dude.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's people on Amazon.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_03: It is it has eight hundred and it's got Reggie Bannister in it from Phantasm, yeah.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's eight hundred and thirty-one ratings, and it's a four-point.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's such a good movie.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's such a good ossi Davis is amazing in it, and so is Campbell.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_04: And it they kill it, it's so brilliant.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_03: I cannot wait to watch this.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I know that's what what we're all gonna be watching after this.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's one of those that like when Halloween rolls around, I usually pull it out.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I gotta just like a Halloween vibe, yeah.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_04: But I feel like you can't a horror movie, but uh, but it's also like it, it's also really funny.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, those are the best.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: Those like cross-genre movies are like yes, I just love them.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_03: I do too.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like we talked about it.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I can't believe it didn't blow up, you know.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_04: I I was just like, I was like, how are people not in crazy about this movie?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_04: Because it you know to me, it's perfect, you know.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, and John and Carpenter too, which uh we haven't dropped yet.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_04: Today is the day of uh the day of one of our our carpenter heroes.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, we need a bagpipe moment for him.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_04: I I I wish I had bagpipes handy, but I do need to can you put it in post?
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_03: Drop a bagpipe right here.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I can.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_03: We might have to be the name of uh a patron saint of Aries, rowdy rowdy piper who had sun and mercury in Aries.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_03: He's with us.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_03: May his may his bagpipes scream forever.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_02: He died July 31st, 2015, at the age of 61 from a heart attack caused by hypertension.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was I got to I got to meet that dude and he was so cool.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_04: So I was really bummed out.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_02: His death was acknowledged with tributes, including a 10 bell salute at wrestling events.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh I didn't know that was a thing.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's they were pretty they were pretty iconic.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that that that era of wrestling is just like still, it's just insane, you know?
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's nothing quite like it.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: He was from Canada.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: Did you guys know he was born in Canada?
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: I had no idea.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and like you said, uh Aries, April 17th, this is his day.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: This is my sister, my little sister's birthday, too.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: Who knew?
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_03: And that's today.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_03: Look at that.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, look at that.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even realize Jesse pinged me on Substack, and I'm like, oh my god, no way.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_04: I had no idea, bro.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I was scrolling headlines this morning on my newsfeed, and it was just like, yeah, here's a you know, here's to happy, happy birthday, you know, whatever to Roddy Roddy Piper.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, he was expelled from junior high for having a switch blade.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh well, I know, but it went out for him wrestling phenomenon, and was in one of the best John Carpenter movies.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_03: Rest in peace.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all right.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_03: We know something uplifting after that.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: I know that was so sad.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: We already talked about Cern of the Mandela effect.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna ask something.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to circle back to our birth charts, but now I can't remember it.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's gone.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, we're probably drunk at this point.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: So oh I'm okay.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm probably drunk at this point, so I I am completely straight and sober.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_04: And just to let everybody out there know, uh, it's Friday, it's Friday night when we're doing this when we're doing this.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: We sure are.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's no judgment here.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a week, so it's been a good week, but it has been a week.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like it's been full speed ahead, yeah.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_04: Full speed ahead.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_04: Is that that you know, but yeah, everything's amazing.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it has been amazing, but also there's been this weird energy that has been like, I think I described it as basically when you clean your carpets, you know, with a carpet cleaner, and then you think, oh, it's all spiffy, and then you come back when it's drying, and there's spots that came up from the carpet padding.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, Oh fuck, I gotta clean it again, and you do.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then Sam, I think it was you that said, and you have to rip out the fucking carpet.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he was right.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's what he was so right.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_04: Let's rip it off first and burn it.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_04: First thing we did was like, Sam, what is going on right now?
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_02: Sam tall is what the fuck is going on?
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_02: You think that you have dealt with these things, like I have actively been dealing with these things and like bringing them up and looking them square on, and you don't have power over me.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's like, there you are again, a spot on my carpet.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: Are you kidding me?
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_02: This energy, how long is this gonna last?
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's it's really weird how things just don't go away, and yeah, maybe like I think we conceptualize the whole letting go thing in like the wrong way.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_03: Cause yeah, I mean, even Jesus, this there's so much verbiage about letting go that you can't let go, like it's not it's not gonna happen.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_03: So deal like you just gotta like live your life, and you know, things kind of go into the background or they go into the underground, and then they come back because they can, or when it's the time for them to come back, or when you're not busy, or when your defenses are down, or when something is like triggering it.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like, just let's just take a hint from the stars.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's all cyclical, it's all cyclical.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_02: And what I got, I just got for my guides, which was a download right here, which was so weird, was we don't judge when we get on a bike and we haven't ridden it in a while.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: We just ride a bike.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's the same thing with traumas, you know, we shouldn't come to it with our baggage.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh yeah, that's just a thing, it's a thing that I know how to do, I've seen it before, and letting go of it is not accurate.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like something that our soul knows, and it's like, yeah, I know what that is, and that's all it is.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_02: We don't give it energy of like, oh my god, now I'm gonna double down on being a victim or the this or the that.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_02: That was a weird thing.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_04: You can't cut a piece of your brain out.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_04: Do you really want it?
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_04: Do you really want to erase your memories?
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_04: Because then you're not you anymore.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_03: Took the words out of my mouth.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_03: You're just not gonna be yourself, and for better and worse, that's part of your history.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_03: And when you're lucky, it just recedes into history.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's just like reading a book, like, oh, this happened, and then on bad days, you're feeling the feelings.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_02: Also, um, been uh quite a journey with me this week.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be like a 3 a.m.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: wake-up call.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh, that was an interesting dream where I woke up with this giant, thick, leather-bound accounting book.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I went, oh, yeah, I saw the things, and I've been carrying this around to be a victim because I I was attached to this idea still in a place in my soul of being a victim of like, look at all that was done for these people.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: And literally, I've been invisible or worse than invisible to this person, to my mother.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's like, no, I'm the one that is insisting on carrying this accounting book around and I have the lessons.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so what I've done is just a little tweak to my perception.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_02: And every time I notice that there's been a difference, I go, Yeah, I was treated differently, and that wasn't the way I wanted to be.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I chose to be a completely different mother, and so I just take it as a breadcrumb of like, I'm on the right path.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: It just reminds me that I chose to be a different person in spite of that.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I chose this journey of being her daughter.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_02: So that's my I know it sounds Pollyanna, but I've just changed my perception and it's let like five pounds of this crap come off of me this week.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's amazing.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it doesn't sound Pollyanna at all to me.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, I'm gonna say, like, I'm not validating or justifying what happened.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying that at all.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_03: But isn't that contrast so rich for you to have?
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_02: It makes it richer, doesn't it?
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, yeah, it's like we not need, God forbid, we need something bad, but it's like the contrast is important.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_03: So how can you have the contrast if that history isn't there?
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I call it salty sweet.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_04: No matter who you are or what your what your what you believe in or or what your experiences are, I I feel like it's safe to say that for most of us it's been a heavy decade.
• 1:01:59
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_04: There's uh there there's been a there there's just been a whole lot go on at once.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_04: You know, so um you're right.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_04: And and I and I and I finally like you just said, I was finally like, I was like, I gotta let this go.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_04: And it it, you know, and and everything attached to it as much as I possibly can and just go live, you know, and and and when I did that, that's when all this, that's when we started, and then they that now we're meeting all these cool people, and like, you know, it and and I feel like myself again, you know.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, and I don't think you give yourself credit, Jesse, because you bring out the best in other people, and I'm gonna cry, but whatever, it's curious cat, so I cry, but you don't know how much I needed our friendship this last summer because I felt so lost.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_02: I was in a place where I had no connection with anybody, and I felt kind of lost and I'd walk and we'd text and reconnected.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, I'm done with social.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_02: So um I I gave you my phone number, we would just reconnect.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, Do you do audio messages?
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: And you were laughed your ass off at me.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, Yes, I'm in the, you know, I'm in 2025.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I can do audio messages, but you help me to remember to love myself again.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I I don't know what that magic is, but you just give it out so freely, Jesse.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I am just grateful for you.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure our friend, a mutual friend Anna, would say the same thing is that you may not know it, but you've kind of saved our lives in different ways.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_02: So you are a precious person.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm really glad you're um thank you.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_04: I I mean that's that's the kind of thing I needed to hear.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, like I said, because you know, like you know, it it things have been heavy.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_04: And um all I want to do is just you know, I just I I just wanna I just want to help people to like you are feel better about whatever, you know, and I've just always been that way.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_04: Well you are can probably tell me why I'm that way and probably has, you know.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_04: But uh you see North Star really, I really don't, I really don't have a choice in the matter.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you are whether you get that feedback from people or you don't.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I got a a great confirmation.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_02: I threw out this, my guides were like on I think it was Monday, I they said, You're gonna stop editing this piece and put it out there.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it was about kind of being that shamed my whole life, as um, you know, and how that started happening and my journey with that, and like realizing the fuck I'm gonna let anybody, myself included, bully myself for this body that gave me two amazing kids.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I my guide said, put it out there, and I kid you not.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_02: I got this text message from my one of my oldest friends, Kelly, and she said, You had no idea.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_02: I I read your piece and it was so well written, and I was like, Thank you for that.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: And she goes, No, but I was like, I'm so glad our mothers were very similar and they mothered us the same way.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_02: She goes, I'm so glad I got through that, but there's somebody that needs needs this.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then she knew who that person was because her guides told her she DM'd it to this person, and this person needed it so badly, and on top of it, her issues that she had with her parent, that parent had just died.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_02: You can't make this stuff up.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_02: And she was like, it was one of those things where I shouldn't care because this person did so much damage to me, but yet I did care because we're that's half of who I am as a person.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so all I'm saying is I got one of those moments of confirmation where the universe is like, you listen to us, you put it out there, and it landed exactly with who it was.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then she ended up in my DMs in Substack going, You had no idea what I needed to basically save my life at that moment.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it was just there.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, I did, I just did what they said.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so what I'm saying to you, Jesse, is you may not know 90% of the times that you have made a difference, but I'm telling you, like you help me to be like love my life and love myself again, just with our conversations that started this summer.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_02: So you are making a difference whether you get that feedback or not.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_04: Parenting was different back then.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_04: Parenting was a parenting was a different deal.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_04: Parenting was different.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_04: Not that I have any kids, but uh, you know, I I I I from what I'm told, uh it's the experience now is just the experience.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we didn't have we didn't have a crew seat bad, it was just like a it was not the same thing.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_02: My mom's my mom smoked and drank during her pregnancy with me and my big brother.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't have car seats, it's like somebody was maybe holding you, or your older sibling was holding you.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's insane.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_03: The uh totally, but we survived like left home while the parents went to do whatever.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_03: You're just like on your own, you're leaving, you're walking to school, you're doing whatever the hell you want.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_03: It was like kind of like free-range humans, but not quite as bad as the Zuckerberg ranch.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not quite.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 1:07:26
  unknown: That's good.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, probably are microchipped.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_02: I bet you if there's little Zuckerbergs, the little Zuckers have little like pet microchips in them, don't you think?
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh god.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I feel like some some robot somewhere is gonna come for us after oh, I know.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_04: We can cut out whatever we want.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, it's fine.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_03: I just think it's kind of funny.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_04: His uh, I mean, they shut down his virtual mall, so he can't touch us, you know what I mean.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_03: I think one of you two made a post about like the really shitty games he's making or something.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like that must have been Jesse.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_03: It was really cringy, like this whole horrible interview he did with a super enthusiastic acolyte of his talking about like their development project, and it's been shut down already.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I thought that was just oh yeah, where you wear that dumb thing on your on your head.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it made everybody motion sick.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_04: Like, who in the fuck is gonna walk around with that fucking thing strapped to your head?
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_04: I know this is gonna change work, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_04: And like, what?
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's gonna make everybody barf because everybody's gonna be able to make people motion sick.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_04: Well, everybody, it's not it's not bad enough for all the office on computers and our fucking phones that we're gonna have to strap that fucking thing on us.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, truly, in all seriousness, I really appreciate the pushback on those glasses, those metaglasses, because people are like, it you don't want your image captured and tracked, especially if like you have a stalker or a like a ex-spouse or whatever the thing is, everybody has different situations where it's like we don't want to be tracked and stopped, and people can like hack into this data and know exactly where you are, and then show up at that paneera to smash you.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_04: Or what about all the creepy pictures that people can take wearing those topics?
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and on top of it, the global south.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_02: Don't give me on my Apple cart right here.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, could you imagine?
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_02: You did you you know, people could be staying, you know, just taking like video of just like whoever for or they put their glasses on the dresser drawers, what has been happening in their bedroom, so they think that they're off.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we do hold that one.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_04: We do hold that.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I need a little dingle.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have your dingle thing?
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we don't need to say thank you.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_04: But like uh that that's I'm I'm gonna aren't there enough cameras fucking with us already.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, there are.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there totally are.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_02: I love the people that are like the D flock, you know, group that has a website now, ways that you can get from place to place without being in the flock camera.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: You shouldn't have to, but we shouldn't have to do that.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, but I love that people are doing it.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I feel.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_04: But I I mean, I mean, yeah, I'm God bless them.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_04: But my whole thing is like, why are we having to do that?
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_04: That's creepy, man.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_04: So messed up.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_04: I know that's creepy.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_04: I know, okay.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_04: I get it.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_04: You got a you got a camera on your door that, like, okay, if somebody comes up and like rings a bell, you know.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_03: Those things are so ridiculous.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_03: By the time the camera sinks to your phone and tells you what's happening, it's like whoever was gonna break in is already inside.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_03: There yeah, it's like, and then people know how to get around those anyway.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like I've got four dogs and a shotgun.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_04: I'm good, I don't need that dopey thing on the door, you know.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_03: Rusty calls coming for you.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Sam.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: I thought of the thing you okay.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_02: At the top, you were saying these are the kinds of things that you like to do, right?
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_02: The birth charts.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: Is there anything that you don't like to do or you're like, uh, I don't know, or times that you've had a client that they're not really open to hearing what is there that you've got.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Sam, tell us about the weird clients.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like it's a good place to end.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_03: Luckily, like those are few and far between.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if anything, people just don't know.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just kidding, don't don't don't actually tell us about uh yeah.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, I mean, it's like there's so there's things you can do with astrology that I'm not particularly like um practiced enough in, or you might say, I just don't like doing relationship like romance stuff.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's not my wheelhouse.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_03: Even when I read, you know, tarot cards, those questions are just like, oh my god, my brain just wants to melt.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, I can certainly talk about what a relationship I've done that before for people.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like look at those charts and say, what are your strengths, what are your deficits as a couple, what you can work on, and this is why that happens, you know.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_03: But like there's a certain type of ask that I just it just tickles me, like, oh no, this is not good, you know.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_03: There's a certain type of person going through the throes of something very personal and painful, and astrology and tarot is not the answer.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_04: Didn't you feel like though, with something like that, they would they're basically asking you to confirm something that's in the back of their head about what's going on with their relationship, you know?
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like, is he cheating on me or is she cheating on me?
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like stuff like that.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_04: How do you feel like it's like I feel like it's that it's like that, and like who wants to get in the middle of that, even metaphysically?
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_03: I feel not I want to look at a chart.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I want to look at a chart as an artist, right?
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_03: And find it.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_03: I want to find the truth that the chart wants me to know.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_03: And the the chart, there's too much.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's what's this word?
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_03: I'm thinking of the word overcomplete.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's a mathematical term.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_03: There's just too much in there, there's too many options to choose from, right?
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_03: So um, for me, it's very impressionistic.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like I look at a chart and it starts talking to me, not literally, I mean sometimes it's literal, but okay, most of the time it's not literal.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_03: But I'll look at a chart and it'll just be like an impressionistic thing that okay, this is important, and then I hone in on that.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_03: So if I find something that has to do with a relationship or even something extreme, like a malevolent entity, I don't know.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_03: If the chart tells me that I'm gonna say it, I'd rather just have like as little information as possible about what the person wants, and then tell them what they're meant to know in that encounter.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_03: Now, some people might say, Well, then you're just like not really.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_03: This is how I do it, and I don't like pay my bills with this.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I want to do for fun and love of the craft.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_03: So you don't have to see me, see a thousand other people.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean, you know, when you the the but that point you just made about how you look at it like it, like like artistically, like it's art.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_04: It really, you know, when you when you you don't realize these things until because I'm not like I said, I'm not very familiar with what with what which is why I'm fascinated by it.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_04: And why and you were so good at guys, get get a reading, seriously.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but like uh reading trick ourselves.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_04: But Sam, you're you're so good.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_04: Like Jen made the point, and like I totally agree with her.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_04: You're teaching people as you as you go through it, you know what I mean?
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and like you may not even be like thinking you may not even realize that you are, but like I was sitting here like, oh yeah, I I get it now.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_04: What he's you know, because and if you would have just like you know said, Hey, your charge said this, I would have been like it was been like this right wild.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_03: Listen, I've gotten I've gotten readings myself from astrologers, like people that have been doing it longer than I have, or better, or whatever that means, better.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, some things that they said didn't land, but a couple of things did that were important, and that's just the way it is.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_03: Same thing with a tarot reading or any other kind of reading.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, no one is omniscient, like I said at the beginning, and this is a very personal for me, I guess spiritual is the word.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I do work with planets, not as planets, but as actual celestial beings, so that's really what I think of myself as someone who uses astrology in their personal astro mysticism or magical work, whatever you want to call it at this point.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what to call myself.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, so it's like if you want my vibe, come, I'll I'll help you out.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'll do the best I can.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_03: And maybe you won't hear something you want to, but maybe you'll hear something you need to.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_02: You'll walk away, like Jesse was saying, you'll walk away knowing more.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it's not just thrown at you these terms.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh, let's explain this.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I have a question about this.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_02: And then also it's like giving context to your own personal story.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's literally for me, I'm gonna be decompressing it for days and days and days because I think that also my brain, I can only, you know, land on some information and then I think about that and I gnash on it, and then I go, wow, I can really see where that's been in my life.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: And the way that you explain it, it's like, well, that makes sense because that's the filter that I see all of these things through.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_02: And then you become conscious of it.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_02: So instead of being like in autopilot, like stupid AI clanker, we get to be purposeful and do, you know, do our shit with purpose and intention.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that you help people have the tools to do that.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's so valuable.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I love that you talk about it as like it's also, I don't know what I am.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's like spiritual, it's like magical, and um it works.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever it is, it works.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's really powerful, it's really wonderful.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I want to call it medicine because it felt like it feels like medicine.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_03: I appreciate doing that.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know, um so like exactly what you said, Jennifer.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_03: The when like the way you digested it and came back and connected what I said with your history.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_03: According to the rules, I could have said something like that, but it's not for me to say that you've had this experience, right?
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's this is like so, however it landed, it was like for me the ideal case scenario where I give you the basic indications and then you go home and say, hmm, you mentioned the no-no square, you mentioned the the the kind of character of Venus and Scorpio, and then that happened.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_03: That is so much more valuable than me saying, Well, you know, there could have been this history with but but but that just doesn't help you help you in the moment, right?
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree a hundred percent.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and also that's the thing is sometimes you could like that is a very gentle, loving way to share with somebody their chart because it's like imagine if you had it's like I'm just I'm just flexing and showing off in a sense that I know what that could mean, and it usually does mean, where it's like you didn't slap me in the face with the trauma.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I got to have that moment myself where I'm thinking about it as I fall asleep and went, I know what that is.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Something tickles here, and I know what that is.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I went, oh yeah, that's where it was in my chart, and that's how it showed up in my actual soul purpose.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I think it's loving.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's nothing performative about what you're doing 100%.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_04: I I felt no ego, I felt no trying to show off or trying to impress somebody, you know, none of that stuff.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_04: And and and I'm a person who thinks in plot and story and have my entire life.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_04: And the way you went through and laid it out, it connected everything together for me.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_04: These random, you know, and you go, oh, you you're able to kind of step back, like when you know, like you see those boards with uh us dopey writers use where we like we start sticking note cards, you know, up and like connecting them together.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_03: When that really happens where you have a board and yes, totally.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_04: We're like psychopaths.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_04: There's there's like one over there.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_04: There's like one of those.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's like mindhunters, but it's our like story.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_03: That show needs to come back.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Mindhunters has to come back segue, but okay, I'll stop.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's never going to, but it should it could never make it as good as that.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm re-watching it now because it is, it's so good.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_03: For whatever reason, I love period stuff.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_03: I do too.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_03: It just something about that just um I I want to pretend that I died in the 60s and early 70s like 71.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_04: We all grew up watching those shows, bro.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_03: And then came back to like resolve my 60s and 70s issues.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_04: We were kids, and like our old man had like the Rockford Files on and shit.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like we've come home, we've come home for lunch, and Perry Mason is on at lunch.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_03: But like my parents look like that, they had bell bottoms and like lame chops and like fucked up.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_03: We had those horrible butterfly collars and shit.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_03: The box bars, right?
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, raise your hand if your parents had a water bed.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_02: Mine did.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I wasn't that boring.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_03: I had one at one point, yeah.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_03: No, we had a we had a Buick Regal, and that was it.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, that's pretty cool.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_02: What color was it?
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_03: It was like a wonky, like uh brown beige or something, and that became my first.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's the car that I learned on to drive.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I cut someone off on my on my driver's test.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_03: I cut someone off on this on the road, and the and the teacher goes, You know what?
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_03: You cut them off, but you did a really good job.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna let you pass.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh that's great.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_04: See, that's how you could do shit back then.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, did you shift on the wheel with that, or was it on the no, it had the thing on the side, yeah.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_03: On the side, okay.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like, um, it was like it was a highway, or no, actually, it was a turnpike.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, people are people are flying down that thing.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_03: There's no way to there's no way to make a turn onto that without cutting someone off midday.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck that.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_03: So you just punch it.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_03: You got eight cylinders, you just hammer the fucking go.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_02: They probably thought you showed restraint because you didn't flip them off and tell them to fuck off out your window.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, wow, that was really good.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_02: You could be a driver.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_03: I want to believe she just liked me.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_03: She thought I was cute because I had nothing else going on at that time.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's gotta be what it was.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's gotta be what it was.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_03: I really had nothing else happening for me.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_02: So sweet.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but before we close, tell everybody where you want them to send you love and reach out to you and connect with your writing and your readings.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm on Substack, so Skyguy Readings on Substack.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm kind of like I have my accounts on Instagram and uh, you know, Facebook just like there, but I'm not really gonna check them.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_03: I've decided to just not post there and not go there.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_03: So, best thing to do is email me skyguyreadings at gmail.com, or just if you're listening to this, you know it's on Substack.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_03: So from tags and stuff, you'll find me Sky Guy Readings on Substack.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I look forward to hearing from you guys, whoever wants a reading or just a chat consultation or questions.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm here for it.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_02: And look for our we're gonna have a viewing of Kroll on Substacks.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna have a watch party for sure.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna figure out how to do it.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, even if we just have it in the background, like we're all watching it, we start at the same time, and we can just cinema sine it the whole time.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just like all the screens are open, all the mics are open.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_02: That would be that would be sick.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like Mystery Theater 2000.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_03: That was exactly what I'm thinking of.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Back when robots were cool, fucking clankers.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking clankers.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking clankers.