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Ep. 223 ~ From The FBI Files... · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Everything is going to hell down here in Texas. Wow. Oh yeah,
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big bad vibe with you. This is the Lone Gunman Podcast. Boutin higging
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you and you and me makes three? What's up, everybody? Welcome to
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the show. I know I'm a day late, assuming uh but uh,
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you know, things happen and I'm here now and that's all that matters,
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all right. So today we're gonna be discussing a little bit of odd FBI
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documents that I've came across, and also a very interesting heel to the a
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r RB from a presentation made to them by researcher. So we'll take a
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look at all this stuff. We'll get into it. I promise on this
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episode of the Lone Government Podcast. I promised. I promise, I promise.
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All right, So let's start off with some weird FBI documents you may
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have not come across. And I believe this one and probably most of these
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come from the Malcolm Blunt archives that were dp UK. That's Dally Plaza UK
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website, folks, a very very hopeful resource for your research tools. And
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this is a partial document. We don't have all of it, but I'll
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read what we have. President CEO Moody vice President and Jack Rice Secretary.
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In the bottom of page ninety five are listed the name and tell phone number
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of Moody Plaza. They addressed ninety two hundred North Bay Shore Drive. These
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were found in the address book of Philip Philippe Dominique. Plaza eight two five
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O nine is listed to Missus Lily Moody of ninety two hundred North Bay Shore
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Drive, Miami, Florida. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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blah blah. Okay, nobody gives a ship from a reliable confidential source who
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was learned that on July the twenty ninth and the year of our Lord nineteen
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fifty eight, the date of the Haitian Revolution Joe and this name was formally
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redacted Joe Madonna. I thought it was Joe Molina there for a second.
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Joe Madonna made a telephone call from the Garden of Alive Motel in Miami Beach,
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Florida, to the number lies of seven seven six six six in Miami.
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This telephone is listed to DC Cunningham of North sixth Avenue, Miami Shores,
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Florida. It is noted that this is in the same general neighborhood where
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Moody lives, but there is no specific indication that Moody and Cunningham are in
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any way connected. The records of the Credit Bureau of Greater Miami indicated Cunningham
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was born in eighteen ninety four in hat and came to Miami from that country
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in nineteen forty five, and has been associated with Major Miami from that major
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sorry Major Appliances of Northwest Seventeenth Avenue since nineteen forty five. This business is
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described by the Credit Bureau as a reputable firm dealing in major gas and electric
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appliances such as Motorola radios, freezers, etc. He is the general manager
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of this place, working on a salary and commission basis. He's income at
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the present time is unknown, although in nineteen fifty three he reportedly made a
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salary of nine thousand, nine hundred ninety nine dollars and received a bonus that
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year of fourteen thousand, eight hundred and thirty six dollars. His net worth
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was estimated in nineteen fifty three as forty thousand dollars. The name and number
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Clarence Moody were as indicated on page seventy seven of the previous report, which
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is missing in the address book of Henry Forget Opinion after he was killed in
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the Haitian Revolution Revolution Revolution as indicated above, LASA eight two five nine is
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a telephone of missus Lily Moody And apparently this is the same number. Now,
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folks, she wants to be saying, Rob nobody cares what the fuck
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says. I don't understand, trust me, I'm just reading the partial document
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that gets us to this place. In the document, all that stuff that
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I've read just read means nothing to me either. It is the next paragraph,
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however, that I find very interesting. So and I wish we had
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this previous report because it's apparently very long. But on pages one eighteen and
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one nineteen of the previous report, information is related concerning the dock of the
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Penellus Fish Company at Marathon, Florida, which is where the office of the
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Zapata off Shore Company of Houston, Texas is located. Okay, set off
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any alarm bells for anybody that is the name of George Bush Senior, George
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HW. Bush's oil company so Pata Offshore Company of Houston Texas is located.
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At this location, there is kept a helicopter of this company, which is
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a subsidiary of the Hughes Cool Company of Houston, Texas. Representatives of Howard
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Hughes under the name of Zapata Offshore Company are drilling for oil on the Casau
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Banks in the Atlantic Ocean, about eighty miles east of Marathon Land. Where
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this drilling is going on is reported to be leased two Hughes by one Clarence
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Moody. It was understood that Moody, who operates the Eminem Dredging and Construction
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Company, is presently in Havana, Huba, where he is doing some dredging
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a high Alia. Miami Springs Journal for Thursday, September twenty fifth, nineteen
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fifty eight harried in an article indicating that Italian greyhounds a midget and that's where
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it ends. Now. I don't know about you, but Italian greyhounds and
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midgets. I'm just imagining them running furiously fast with little midgets touched the back
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of and going around a track. No, no, that's not why I
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now this documents stood out to me. Even though that is fascinating in and
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of itself, it's the fact that this right here tells us folks that in
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nineteen fifty eight and nineteen fifty nine that Zapata Offshore Company of Houston, Texas,
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that's George Bush's oil company, is a subsidiary of Hughes Tool Company in
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Houston, Texas, and representatives of Howard Hughes. Yes, the famous reclusive
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millionaire under the name of Zapata Offshore Company are drilling for oil. So we
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have George Bush working for Howard Hughes in the late fifties in the Miami area
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near Marathon, Florida, drilling offshore. Interesting. Now, of course,
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this really means nothing. It's just, you know, it's one of those
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interesting things that make you say, m believe me. If you look hard
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enough and deep enough, you will find very intricate connections when it comes to
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CIA mafia, Howard Hughes and George H. W. Bush. Now,
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this means, in no uncertain terms that I believe that George Bush Senior was
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a a part of the CIA in nineteen sixty three. We have an absolutely
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no zero proof of that whatsoever. Nor does it mean that George Bush was
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in front of the school book Depository November twenty second, nineteen sixty three because
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he wasn't. Nor do I believe that George Bush was running a hit team
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out of the Dawt text Building on November twenty two, nineteen sixty three,
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and then went to go stand around in front of the school book depository after
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that because he didn't. But I do believe. But the connections you can
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draw between Mayhew Robert, Mahew Hughes, the the Vegas mafia like Johnny RUSSELLI,
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and a shit pile of money that we know Howard Hughes had and was
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making interesting and bears more research, of course. All right, moving on
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to the next one, and closed for Los Angeles is a copy of a
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self explanatory letter dated one eleven sixty four and directed to Plorado Publications Incorporated,
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newgal And I should say this is from January twenty one, nineteen sixty four,
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two Special Agent Charge Los Angeles from Hoover, Director of the FBI.
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Two agents of Los Angeles office immediately interviewed Voice for full details of what he
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alleges to be positive proof the Lee Henry Oswald. Yes, that's right,
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Lee Henry Oswald did not assassinate the president. Submit summary of attached letter and
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results of interview to Bureau in letterhead form under the caption Lee Harvey Oswald COMMA
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I S. Dash R for the additional information of Los Angeles. New files
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reveals subject, who was probably identical with the writer of enclosed letter, was
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born March fifth, nineteen thirty nine, in Oakland. Subject, on two
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occasions in July sixty two, contacted Soviet Embassy Washington, d C. From
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Denver, Colorado, advising he possessed top secret information concerning space vehicles and requesting
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Soviet ambassador recontact him. Voice was arrested in nineteen fifty four and an auto
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theft charge was confined to a NAPA hospital from December fifty four to February fifty
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five. Served in the US Army from October fifty six to August fifty seven,
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being separated under other than honorable conditions because of undesirable habits or traits of
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character. Voice operated a TV repair business in Denver until late sixty two,
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when he disappeared. In January sixty three, he was being sought by Adams
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County Sheriff's Office of Brighton, Colorado for issuance of short checks. A warrant
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for his arrest was issued by the District Attorney's office in Brighton. During interview
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of subject, questioned him concerning his background and concerning any contacts he has had
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with Soviets or Soviet Block representatives, but do not disclose the fact that Bureau
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is aware of his contacts. In July of fifty two, the midst separate
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letterhead memorandum covering this portion of the interview under subject caption Lost Angeles after confirming
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subject's residents address and notified Denver in order to appropriate police authorities Brighton, Colorado
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can be advised of subject's location. Note interview of subject to contacted Soviet Embassy
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on July sixty two was approved by Beulay dated twelve thirty one, sixty two.
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Prior to interview, he disappeared. Bulay two eleven sixty three instructed that
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fugitive type investigation the locate subject was not desirable to the Bureau and since he
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has a history of mental instability, no further action necessary with regard to subject's
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letter of one eleven sixty four, copy of which is enclosed. LA Mister
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Beaumont has instructed an interview subject at once and report to rank everybody knows who
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Jay Lee Ranking is right in the Warring Commission. But why did Ranking want
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the FBI to interview this voice fellow? Well, I'll tell you apparently,
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h I guess the owners of Parrot Parado Publications from Third Avenue, New York
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is a pretty fancy outfit. Apparently they have money. Apparently they know Jay
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Lee Ranking, and this letter was written to them from J. D.
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Royce of Clovis, California, one eleven sixty four to a mister Arthur Motley
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and a mister Edwin Keister, your serves, if you will forward, by
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a special delivery airmail one thousand dollars plus a round trip air affair to your
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city, I will arrive in your office within seven days with what I believe
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positive proof that Lee Henry Oswald did not assassinate the President of the United States.
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You are correct, sir, just that alone anybody can prove that.
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As this information may present a threat to someone in my life, Therefore on
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the line, the above conditions are the only arrangements acceptable to me. Also,
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in such a case, all such information shall be forwarded to the Honorable
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Judge Earl Warren for his commission. If I am correct, I will expect,
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without question alone in the amount of thirty five thousand dollars on a ten
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year note at an eight percent interest, he and I paid monthly after one
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hundred and eighty days. This will allow me to materialize a lifelong dream of
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a business in my field. If I am incorrect, I will repay the
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above expense moneys when possible. Either way, you will lose nothing. However,
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if I am indeed correct, you stand to gain millions and millions,
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and the nation will gain the truth. Either I am certain. Further,
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I am certain that my information will prove true. I will expect the above
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request of travel expenses end, confirmation and acceptance of the loan agreement as stated
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at your earliest convenience serves. Otherwise, I will make contact with other channels.
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I assure you that this letter is written in complete sanity and that the
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information that I have materialized is factual. And further, this letter is not
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a so called crank letter. I am an electronic engineer. I have four
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children, I'm twenty five years old, white, and carry secret clearances in
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the US Army, which I was in in nineteen fifty seven and the US
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Air Force, which I was in in nineteen sixty one, and would at
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my own expense arrive there too. However, it is not possible in consideration
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of my family's needs. Looking forward to your answer, Sincerely yours, J.
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D. Royce. Folks did Royce so what? And I don't No.
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Apparently they thought that this guy was cuckoo crazy that ship and weren't that
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interested in what he had to say. So I do not have the interview
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of the man, but it's interesting the rank and wanted to follow up on
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this proof positive on this guy JD. Royce, whoever the hell he is,
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someone who would have been about the same age as Oswald. Apparently back
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then he was asking for a lot of money, Folks, in nineteen sixty
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four dollars thousand dollars round trip ticket for him and a loan of thirty five
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thousand dollars which we repaid at eight percent interest over ten years. Now.
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Is this the act of desperate man wanting to cook something up to kind of
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pull the wall over this publishing company's eyes or did he have something significant?
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The world will never know? Right next up, we have a memorandum to
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mister Conrad are E the assassination of the President, no date, No date.
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This one says the Identification Division determined that the latent prints peering in the
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photograph taken of the gun by the Dallas Police Department are too fragmentary and indistinct
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to be of any value for identification purposes. Photographs of the weapon taken by
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the Bureau also failed to produce prints of sign of sufficient legibility for any comparison
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purposes. They read that again, determined that latent prints appearing in the photograph
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taking up the gun by a Dallas Police barm or two fragmentary and indistinct to
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be of any value for identification purposes. Photographs of the weapon taken by the
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Bureau also failed to produce prints of sufficient legibility for comparison purpose. Okay,
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so basically this is a letter from the FBI to mister Conrad whoever that is,
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stating that the pictures that they got from the Dallas Police Department of quote
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unquote fingerprints on the Oswald rifle or too fragmentary and indistinct to be of any
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value for ID purposes, and that photographs of the weapon taken by the Bureau
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also failed to produce any prints of sufficient legibility for comparison purposes, okay.
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A latent finger print developed by the ID Division of the Dallas PD on the
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brown paper bag recovered at the scene and marked quote bound next to six floor
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window gun fired from may have been used to carry a gun. Lieutenant J.
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C. Day was identified with the left index finger impression of Lee Harvey
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Oswald. In addition, one latent palm print developed on this paper bag was
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identified with the right palm print of Oswald. Several black cotton, orange yellow
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cotton, and gray black cotton fibers which matched similar fibers composing of the suspect's
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shirt, were removed from the gun. No fibers found on the gun that
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could be associated with the green blanket. A single brown fiscus fiber and several
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light green cotton fibers which match similar fibers president in composition to the blanket,
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were found on the paper bag. The above fibers could have originated from the
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indicated sources, but of course that's merely speculation. The cotton fibers found on
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the gun are the same colors as the cotton fibers composing the shirt. However,
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due to the limited number of colors in the shirt, which is three.
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It is not possible to state the shirt of positively the sort of these
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fibers. It has been determined that the signature Lee h Oswald on a typewritten
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letter dated eleven nine sixty three addressed to the Soviet Embassy was written by the
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suspect Lee h. Oswald. The letter to the Soviet Embassy was picked up
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eleven eighteen sixty three by Washington Field Office agents handling highly confidential Maile coverage of
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the embassy. The copy of the letter is attacked. The remaining examinations of
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the physical evidence are being expeditiously handled, and you will be advised as the
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results immediately upon completion. So let's back up here a second now. The
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shirt that Oswald was arrested in, Okay, the infamous brown, ugly brown
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shirt with gold threading running through it is not what he wore to work that
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day, folks. It's not. No One describes him in that shirt net
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worked that day, no one, no one at the TSBD, not Buell
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Frasier when he picked him up that morning, not any of his co workers
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whatsoever. Nobody. And when asked what Oswald did after the assassination, he
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says he went back to his rooming house and he changed his shirt and trousers,
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and they asked him what was he what he was he wearing, and
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he told him. He basically said he down a gray slacks and the maroon
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shirt, apparently over top of a white T shirt, which he may have
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not had his shirt over the white T shirt or he might not have.
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I don't know, but either way, the over shirt, it's not the
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same shirt that he wore to work that day. It wouldn't have been the
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same shirt that he was allegedly on the sixth floor wearing at the time of
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the shooting. He would not change into that shirt until about one pm at
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his roomy house on Beckley. So they can try to say that these fibers
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matched all they want, but again, if you read very carefully what they
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say, they basically tell you the prints are worthless. Okay, that the
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DPD had off the gun. They say all these fibers matched the suspect's shirt
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that were removed from the gun. But if the subject wasn't wearing that shirt
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at the time of the shooting, and that really doesn't matter what they allegedly
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found on this gun. God knows where they could have came from. And
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again they couldn't match the fibers to the gun from the blanket exclusively. And
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they tell you that they intercepted Lee Harvey Oswald's letter dated eleven nine sixty three
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to the Soviet Embassy because Washington Field agents handling highly confidential Maile coverage of the
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embassy, so they knew that Oswald was writing to the Soviet Embassy as much
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as five days before the assassination. And if they caught this one, I'm
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sure they caught the multiple other ones that he had been writing throughout the year
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of nineteen sixty three. And what he uh, what he supposedly wanted?
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Now, if I remember correctly, folks, the eleven nine sixty three letter
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to the embassy was the quote unquote Costakov letter, which basically tells them of
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his interactions with their their man, Valorie Costakov in Mexico City. I'm not
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sure either way. No alarm bells were set off at that point or Lee
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Harvey Oswald. Imagine that so interesting document there? The next document I have
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requires a little refresher. A little refresher from an FBI documentated six nine sixty
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four. It's June ninth, nineteen sixty four, mister Orspenia, owner of
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the Band of Bar, New Orleans, appeared at the New Orleans office with
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his attorney, John Tambarella, whose address is Blah blah blah. Mister Orespenia,
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through the attorney, he stated he would be happy to respond to questions
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put to him. Painia advised at sometime prior to the assassination, perhaps five
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or six months prior possibly a few as two or three. He's very vague
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on this. When he was at his bar, his bartender, Evaristo Rodriguez,
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came to where he was seated and spoke to him. As best Painton
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could recall, Evaristo Rodriguez told him that a customer wanted a lemonade what a
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pussy, which Painia claimed they do not normally serve at the Habandah Bar.
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Painia claims to have told Evaristo to fix the lemonade with water, lemon ice,
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and a little sugar, and to charge the customer twenty five cents.
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In response to the inquiry Painless, Painia said he did not personally observe the
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person who ordered the lemonade or the person or persons who had accompanied the individual
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who would ordered the lemonade. He did believe that the person who ordered the
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lemonade and the person or person accompanying him or either at the bar or at
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the table near the bar. Hence, he could not at this time or
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at any time, say whether or not the person who ordered the lemonade or
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the person or person's accompanying the latter or identical would le Harry Oswald or as
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Painia then explained, he does not recall exactly where he was in the are
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at the time that Evaristo Rodriguez came to him to inquire about the lemonade.
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He does recall, however, that after Evaristo Rodriguez had prepared and delivered the
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lemonade, that he heard either party who had ordered it, whether person or
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persons with that party, complaining that the price was too much. He does
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not now recall whether the complaint was in regard to the same customer. He
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did state, however, that he thinks Evaristo Rodriguez came to him and told
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him that these persons were complaining about the price. Now, I must say,
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twenty five cents for eliminating is outrageous. I mean, come on,
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come on, ar asked, I mean shit. You could go buy a
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ten cent lemonade from a little kid on the sidewalk in nineteen nineteen eighties,
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your way over price for the nineteen sixties. My friend Orspenia then stated that
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he has no other personal knowled about this incident, and he reiterated that he
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would not be able to recall person who ordered the lemonade. Okay or his
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pinion specifically stated that he never told anyone, including that motherfucker Carlos Bringier,
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that Oswald had been in the Havanda bar with a Mexican prior to the assassination
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of President Kennedy. He also said he never heard his brother Ruperto Pagia say
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that Oswald had been in the bar with a Mexican. He also stated he
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had no information that the FBI was ever looking for a Mexican who had patronized
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his bar. He stated the only thing he did recall regarding a Mexican was
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that, on one occasion, two Latins who were in his bar had asked
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him why his bongo drums were chained to a post. Amen, Amen,
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why you bungal drums cut to the clothes? Man cannot plead the bungos,
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what's up with dad, can you give me lemonade? Homes and you said.
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He then inquired where they came from, and they allegedly said they were
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from Mexico, and you said. He then became angry and told them,
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you don't worry about one of my fucking bungles came to the wall. See
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now. He told him that a person could not even leave his car and
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get a drink in Mexico without someone stealing four wheels from the car, and
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he claimed the Mexicans got angry and left. He stated, however, this
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incident had no connection with the individuals who were in this bar, who ordered
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the lemonade, and who would later complained about the price. And he does
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not recall specifically when it was that these two people who claimed they were from
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Mexico were in the bar. He said it could have been some time last
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year sixty three. He said that several days after these two persons were in
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the bar, his brother had come to him and said, the same two
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men who had given it or as Painias some trouble about the bongos, they
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come back to the bar on another occasion. And he explained, however,
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that here again there was no connection between these two people or the people that
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are the lemonade. He said that as bartender ever Resto Rodriguez was not in
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the bar when these two people from Mexico were there about the bongos. Also,
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he never mentioned to anyone the FBI was interested or inquiring about either one
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or both of these two people, nor had he made any such statement to
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anyone, including that motherfucker Carlos Bringer. Orespia then remarked he wished to state
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that his mother, repert to Opinia, was not president in the Vanna Bar
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when the party ordered the lemonade. Rspenia was then shown a photograph depicting Lee
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Harvey Oswald distributing handbills in front of the International Trademark in New Orleans, which
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photograph reflects other people standing in the same area. Where Aspenia studied this photograph
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and he advised that the only person whom he recognized in the photograph was,
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of course Lee Harvey Oswald. He then stated the only reason he was able
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to recognize Oswald was because he had seen Oswald's picture in the news media so
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often. After the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, inquiry was made
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of ores Penia concerning the dates that he was out of the country in sixty
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three, and he advised while he did not recall the dates, he did
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recall that he was in Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic on vacation in nineteen
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sixty three, and that he would check his passport for the exact date.
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In response to inquiry, Painia furnish the following him background and descriptive data of
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himself or as Penia, also known as Barrestes Arnicio Penia Alfonso Mania explained that
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when he was naturalized, his name was legally changed from Barrestes Arnicio Penia Alfonso
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too simply or as Penia race white, sex mail five eight bobbing one hundred
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and forty pounds, soaking wet. Naturalized in New York City approximately nineteen fifty
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four fifty five. Date of birth eight fifteen twenty three. Place of birth
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Cologne, Matanzas Ubi, Single, twice married and divorced. First wife was
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from the dr and they were married in New York. Second wife, Mercedes
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Pays, a Nicaragua national, whom he divorced in Mexico and who he believes
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is still living in New Orleans. Brothers Ruperto Ruperta and Andres Pena. Andreas
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owns the Los Americans Bar on Decatur Street. He is allegedly a US citizen
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as well. Now this is the background that we have for Lauras Penia in
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nineteen sixty four. Now many of us following home alone. All right,
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I'm sorry, following it home along. We'll have came across in this show.
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And if you've been researching by yourself the HSCA interview of ours Painton and
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or as Painton painted a very different picture of things for the Householic Committee on
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Assassinations and their investigators. Then what he said in nineteen sixty four. He
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was also talking might mighty heavily with oh, what's his name, her Old
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Wiseberg, that's his name. When he was down in New Orleans investigating Lee
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Harvey Oswald for his book Oswald in New Orleans, he was told a great
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many things by Orspinion, very interesting book, very interesting what he said to
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the HSCA in the late seventies as well, after a lot of these people,
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a lot of these people that he was supposedly scared of it back then.
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We're dead by then. But to get back to the Mattarett Haynd.
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We have this document that predates the document that I've read you. Actually it
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doesn't predate it. It postdates it, but just by a couple of weeks.
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And this was an airtell on July thirtieth, nineteen sixty four, who
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j Edgar Hoover, Director FBI, and closed here with for the Bureau or
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six copies one for Dallas, one for information, and for New Orleans three
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copies of an LHM data and captioned it as above, setting forth results of
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investigation conducted the US Coastguard Headquarters. Like Carl Special Agent Carl Graham, It
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was noted Paenia was initially issued his Merchant Marine or certificate in nineteen fifty four
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after US Coastguard Intelligence conducted a national agency check which was completed October fifty four
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with no derogatory information found. Agencies included in that national agency check where the
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FBI CIA G two O and I and US Coastguard Intelligence or his Penia Internal
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Security QI. The following information was obtained by a representative of the FBI from
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a review of the Merchant Marine personnel file pretending to ores Penia obtained from Miss
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Lucille Shielder, supervisor of the Merchant Vessel Personnel records a welfare branch. So
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anyway, I can sit here and read this to you, but it's boring
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as hell, but basically we can skip around it does state. In fifty
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five May nineteen, opinion was issued to merchant Mariners document in the name of
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ores Pinia. The five reflected he requested his name to be changed to conform
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with his with his name as it appeared on his certificate of naturalization issued to
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him on May six, fifty five. January seven, fifty seven, Pias
39:46
Merchant Mariners document was reissued at Mobile, Alabama, to show him as an
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able seaman any Waters twelve months. At that time he showed his permanent residence
39:57
as five one five West one or seventh Street in New York, and next
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of ken was identified as his daughter, Margaret Painion, the same address.
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April twenty four to sixty one, he was issued a replacement document, at
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which time his local address was shown as one seventeen Decatur Street in New Orleans.
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The Merchant Marine jacket reflected on the following service record for Painion, and
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it's got it's got all kinds of documents and the vessels that he was on
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and the places that he was so and his rating for each one. So
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let's skip over a couple here, shall we. So from we guess the
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beginning of nineteen fifty five to the middle of nineteen fifty five where he was
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in New York City on two different vessels, one of the Columbia Heights and
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one called the Golf Service. Place was from oh, place place boarded,
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place off boarder, So he was off boarded from the Columbia Heights in Tacoma,
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Washington. His rating was a wiper. I don't know if that is
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a boat wiper, but wiper, windshield wiper, I don't know. That's
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his rating. And again from the Golf Service that he was on. He
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was discharged in Lake Charles, Louisiana as an ordinary seaman. Just just an
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ordinary seaman, folks, nothing, nothing, nothing to see you here.
41:52
Apparently was on this Golf Service boat quite a few times back and forth between
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Lake Charles auion Inusiana in New York City till September of nineteen fifty six,
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where he was on the SS Sioux Lakes. Now why is this important?
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Oh, I don't know. Maybe because three years later Lee Harvey Oswald would
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take the SS Marion Likes over to Europe, where he would then proceed to
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effect to the Soviet Union. Interesting from then on he was only on the
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Sioux Lakes for about four months, and he was boarded in New Orleans and
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off to New Orleans. And then on he was on the vessel called yak
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Yaque. There he went from New Orleans to New York, from New York
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to Mobile, from Mobile to Mobile, from Mobile to New Orleans, from
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New Orleans to New Orleans. Now he was on this ship for almost two
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years, finally exiting the yacht in Baltimore, Maryland. Then he was boarded
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in New Orleans on board the Drake Victory Hey and in New Orleans got off
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in New York Orleans. Here he is rated as an able bodied seaman,
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a little seaman got a little extra muscle on at this time. Then in
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Houston, Texas, he boarded the Gene Likes to Galveston, Texas, where
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he was an able bodied seaman again. And yes, genelis part of the
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Likes steamline, the same one that Oswald took to Europe a year and a
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half later from this date thirty fifty nine, then in July from Houston.
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He was aboard the Gibbs Lights Houston to Houston, two weeks able bodied seamen
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from Houston to New Orleans, again aboard the Gibbs Likes another Likes steamship just
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like the one that Oswald road to Europe. And then his final voyage would
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be from Ostrica Louisiana on board the golf Light, disembarking in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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as an ordinary seamen. So he went from a wiper to an ordinary seaman,
44:44
to an able bodied seaman back to just an ordinary seamen. I guess
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the seaman count was getting low. Oh Lord, Note voyages getting on June
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third, fifty five U twenty fifty five January five fifty six in October twenty
45:06
five fifty seven worked coastwise trips. All other voyages were to foreign courts.
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Now it's interesting why the FBI would go into such a detailed background check on
45:28
Rspenia. I wonder why, oh, by the way, did I mention,
45:38
did we forget about all these accusations from Rspenia about Warren Debris being his
45:45
FBI handler and the fact that he was a confidential informant for the FBI,
45:53
and he also stated that so was Lee Harvey Oswald, by the way,
45:58
who won special agents or warning debris who just happened to be the one the
46:05
interview orspinion two weeks before this background check. This in depth background check was
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performed by the FBI. Interesting people, Yes, interesting, all right?
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Next up? Yeah, let's see here some reason I saved this one.
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The CIA document dated March twenty third, nineteen sixty five, Memorandum for Director
46:52
of the FBI, subject Sammy Sammy. Number one. Reference is made to
47:06
the following communications from your bureau containing questions to be put to Sammy. A
47:12
letter dated fifteen October sixty four regarding Daniel at chial Trick what that is?
47:25
A letter dated sixteen November sixty four regarding Lee Harvey Oswald. A letter from
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San Diego dated fifteen February sixty five are Dmitri Nixon letter dated nine March sixty
47:40
five regarding John Andrew Shubin the two. As you are aware from discussions between
47:49
representatives of this agency and representatives of your bureau held on fifth and seventh January
47:54
nineteen sixty five, we are currently engaged in intensive questioning of sam along the
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lines and for the purposes discussed in those meetings, whenever it becomes feasible to
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service the referenced questions, we will do so and apprise you of the results
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for the Deputy Director of Plans, Signed James our Hunt, James Angleton,
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who this is from. And I believe that they are referencing the Yuri Nisenko
48:30
interrogations here. What they're calling him Sammy Sammy. So I just thought that
48:42
that was interesting. We have a letter here from James James Angleton to diegre
48:50
Hoover concerning Uri Nisenko, code naming it for you, code naming it for
48:54
you. Well, Sammy, wasn't Sammy the bold Gravano, That's for sure.
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All right, let's see you next up, Next up, Buttercup.
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We have another partial document, and I wish we had the rest of it
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because it's pretty interesting and we're just coming in hot to it. I have
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no date, I have no reference, I have known anything. I'm just
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gonna give it to you, like I hear it. Turned to his left
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to enter while walking westward on Commerce Street. While Franklin and Oswald were seated
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at a table, Man entered and spoke to several other patrons and then came
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to their table and said highly the Oswald. A few other casual remarks were
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made, and this man left to go elsewhere in the bar. Franklin stated
49:49
he asked Oswald who was that character, whereupon Oswald reply, well, that's
49:53
Jack Ruby, he owns this joint. Franklin stated he is absolute be positive
50:00
this was the remark made by Oswald, and that after having observed photographs of
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Jack Ruby in numerous positions, I mean, in numerous newspapers and magazines,
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he is positive this was the same man who spoke to Oswald. Following their
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drinking at this unknown bar, Franklin and Oswald left it about three thirty pm,
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walked back to the Blood Bank, where Franklin had his car parked,
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and then drove to another bar named Jack's Bar, located on Harry Hines Boulevard
50:32
and close to the Loop or circle from which the road to grape Vine,
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Texas eminates. At about dusk, they departed this bar and Oswald asked if
50:43
Franklin would drive him to see his wife. Franklin agreed and recalls it.
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Upon leaving Jack's Bar, he drove south on Harry Hins Boulevard for a mile
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or so before turning right onto a feeder road, which then placed them on
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the pressway, possibly Interstate forty five, since it was not completed much beyond
51:05
the city limits to Dallas. This expressway paralleled Harry Hines Boulevard, and they
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traveled south on it until arriving at fort Worth Avenue, where they turned to
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the right and drove for about two miles. They came to a small shopping
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center, where they turned it a traffic light to the left and continued for
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an unrecalled number of blocks before turning right, and then they made another unrecalled
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turns before arriving at the house allegedly occupied by Oswald's wife. Franklin stated this
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house required about fifteen to thirty minutes to reach once having turned off the shopping
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center at fort Worth Avenue. And that's the only piece of the document I
51:49
got about that. I just thought that was interesting on how accurate it is
51:58
interesting, and it sounds immediately can be chocked up as a cuckoo document.
52:05
You know, that's one of the ones. It's too good to be true.
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Okay, you know this guy is talking to Oswald drinking in a bar
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at three in the afternoon, the guy pulls up highly. Who was that
52:20
straining character? Wow, that's Jack Ruby. This is this is the Huan's
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the joint. Excuse me? So you have Oswald and Ruby or you have
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Oswald drinking in Ruby's bar at the carouse Held Club, I'm assuming, and
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then afterwards going to something called Jack's bar and then uh giving him a ride
52:39
to see his wife. It's some here to four undisclosed locations, seemingly really
52:45
far away from wherever the hell anybody was anywhere. So interesting. All right
52:55
now for this next presentation, folks, I'm going to ask you to do
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something for me. We're going to take a trip in time. We're going
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to go backwards in time in our lone guming time machine to the date of
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November the eighteenth, nineteen ninety four in Dallas, Texas, and I,
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via researcher Stephen W. Osborne, I'm going to give to you the presentation
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you being the Assassination Records Review Board. Kay, So let's go back in
53:37
time. Picture that in your mind you're part of the Assassination Records Review aboard
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the AARB, the newly formed a RB, and I W Researcher Stephen Osborne
53:51
giving you this very important presentation, folks. So I appreciate the opportunity to
53:59
address the board to day and appreciate the time you were spending going to the
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public or information. The premise you of the theories of the assassination revolves around
54:10
the possibility that there may have been some involvement in persons with experience in the
54:15
US intelligence community. In my study and research of the assassination, I have
54:21
discovered and investigated supporting information of the presence of an intelligence unit of the US
54:27
Army having been president and on assignment in Daily Plaza just before, during,
54:32
and immediately after the assassination. To the best of my knowledge, information on
54:37
this unit has not been has not been released publicly. Now, in nineteen
54:44
ninety two, as the fury of the public was resulting in the proposed legislation
54:47
that created this here board, I came across an individual who claimed to have
54:52
been very near Daily Plaza during the assassination. As a researcher, this caught
54:59
my immediate attention, and I began to question this gentleman about the experience.
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Yeah, it's where I tell you his entire story. I want you to
55:07
know that I had a difficult time believing it the more and more I thought
55:12
about it. Even though I have had personal experience with some of the devices
55:15
and techniques this group used, I was still very skeptical, as you may
55:20
be also, But with further investigation, I convinced myself that it technically could
55:25
have been accomplished, and I think you will be similarly so impressed about the
55:30
possibility when we're finished. Just when I spoke with, proceeded to tell me
55:37
he was in the Army stationed in Courthood and Kaleen, Texas. On the
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day of the assassination. His group, a communications group, was assigned the
55:46
task of observing and videotaping and presidents will motorcade as it moved through the plaza.
55:52
This unit had no similar assignment in any other Texas city during the President's
55:58
visit, and they were only to tape that portion of the motorcade as I
56:01
proceeded through Dally Plaza. If this event actually happened, it makes their activity
56:07
highly suspicious and adds new questions to the assassination, particularly with reverence to the
56:13
possible four knowledge of the assassination by intelligence personnel. In my conversations with this
56:22
gentleman, I asked questions of a technical nature, trying to discover how their
56:27
assignment was accomplished. After discovering that the camera signals were transported by wireless means
56:34
back to the controlled quote studio, which was actually in a semi attractor trailer,
56:39
I found myself doubting that this type of equipment was even available in nineteen
56:44
sixty three. I knew that ham radio operators had been sending television signals easily
56:49
for years, as I had also participated in that hobby. I also knew
56:53
that videotaping was still in its infant years. In nineteen sixty three, I
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started research available equipment to see if his story at any possibility of being true.
57:06
This is the technical feasibility part of it. Using information from sources who
57:09
would know about such equipment, I found a company that in nineteen sixty three
57:15
regularly supplied television cameras to various agencies of the federal government, including the military.
57:22
Upon making inquiries with that company, which is still in existence today,
57:27
I discovered equipment existed in nineteen sixty two that would allow this event to have
57:32
happened in the way related to me by this individual. I visited the factory
57:37
and obtaining copies of flyers and pictures of the equipment, of which I have
57:42
copies to distribute here to the board. Today. Here I distribute handouts.
57:47
Here you go look at this additional information on interviews and investigations. Now that
57:54
we know equipment existed in nineteen sixty three to perform this task, I can
57:59
relate his tire a story to you now. The following information was obtained over
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approximately three separate conversations with this individual. I had extracted a verbal consent to
58:09
get his story on videotape when the time came for doing it. So his
58:14
attitude on the matter had undergone a complete reversal, and I'm only left today
58:19
with the information from those conversations and subsequent information by an independent investigation. This
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military communications group had several cameras stationed around the plaza. The signals from the
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cameras were sent back to his semi attractor trailer acting as a mobile studio and
58:39
parked a short distance from the plaza. Each camera had a preview monitor and
58:45
a videotape machine associated with it inside the trailer, recording the view of each
58:50
camera. There was no sound recorded in this assignment. Each videotape position had
58:55
a single person responsible for its proper operation. Each position these men occupied was
59:01
shielded from the others, so that they could only see the preview for their
59:06
individual camera. Each man saw the assassination occur from a different perspective on their
59:13
monitors. About fifteen minutes after the assassination, a group of men appeared who
59:19
identified themselves as FBI agents. These Quote agents seized all the equipment used to
59:25
videotape the motorcade. Each man was put on a bus which had been summoned
59:30
to the scene, and they were all driven back to their base. On
59:35
their arrival, they were simply told to Quote forget it. Finding that there
59:39
was equipment available in nineteen sixty three made it much easier to accept the story
59:45
I have just related. Several things have made me believe that this group was
59:49
an intelligence unit. Firstly, the gentleman would not give me the name of
59:53
his unit. Secondly, this individual advised me that his two to one file
1:00:00
was inaccessible. Thirdly, he offered his opinion as pertaining to the reason his
1:00:06
group was sent there, which would probably have been in line with the responsibility
1:00:09
of an intelligence unit. Fourth having reflected on his story, and what I
1:00:15
had additionally discovered. I am impressed that he realizes that he probably said more
1:00:19
things to me than he should have. At one point, he had mentioned
1:00:22
that he was allowed by a letter from the military to discuss some things in
1:00:25
relation to his duties on the day of the assassination, but I believe he
1:00:30
probably went further than he was allowed. All these things collectively make me believe
1:00:35
that this unit in Daily Plaza was in intelligence unit. Still, one important
1:00:40
step in my investigation was to find some additional evidence that the event actually occurred.
1:00:45
You should know that there is some possible photographic evidence of this communications group
1:00:51
being in Daily Plaza that day, and I would be happy to provide further
1:00:54
information on that if time allows. At the end of my presentation. This
1:01:00
is a section requested Board actions. Obviously, what would have been recorded on
1:01:07
these videotapes would be invaluable aids to a serious study of the assassination as well
1:01:13
as cast more suspicion on the intelligence community. An attempts should be made by
1:01:16
the Board to locate the tapes in request that another government agency attempt to get
1:01:22
the exact electrical format determined, and a videotape machine constructed to bring their images
1:01:28
to view. Duplication to modern day formats would make the tapes available publicly.
1:01:35
So far as locating the videotapes are concerned, the Dallas Field Office of the
1:01:37
FBI and the Bureau headquarters may have information or be in possession of the tapes.
1:01:45
If there remains in a state of the late jeg or Hoover, they
1:01:49
may have some information and or be in possession of said tapes. That the
1:01:53
men who seize the tapes were not real FBI agents, then CIA, military
1:02:00
Intelligence, or other splinter groups of the intelligence community should be checked. Also,
1:02:05
I would inquire mister E. Howard Hunt, if he is still alive,
1:02:07
as to his knowledge of the tapes and their subsequent disposition. Regarding locations
1:02:15
where you might find documents supporting this activity, I would suggest beginning with the
1:02:20
records at Fort Hood. I would not be familiar with other depositories of documents,
1:02:24
and you will probably have to use don't move your existing sources to hopefully
1:02:30
lead you in the right direction. The fact that this individual I interviewed had
1:02:34
received notifications that he did not have to continue to keep certain things confidential further
1:02:39
indication that there continues to be individuals who are under an obligation of confidentiality.
1:02:45
I believe this brings up an interesting problem for the Board. There appear to
1:02:49
be several instances of individuals required by military order not to discuss any details of
1:02:58
what they know of the assassination or its subsequent investigations. Perhaps even the Board
1:03:04
members have been required to sign promises of confidentiality. As I look around knowingly,
1:03:12
since these individuals do not have the permission of disclosure, may not have
1:03:15
written of their experience or granted interviews to members of the media or the research
1:03:21
community to record their recollections. This will give history an incomplete record of this
1:03:25
tragic event, as well as making this information unavailable to the Board for review
1:03:30
and release. Therefore, I believe in proposed that the Board to consider asking
1:03:37
President of the United States, as Commander in Chief, to resend any and
1:03:43
all standing orders issued from any department or part of the US government requiring the
1:03:47
confidentiality of the information retained by these individuals, whether that knowledge isn't written or
1:03:53
memory form. If our government is really serious about full disclosure of all facts
1:03:59
surrounding the assassin nation, it will rescind all these orders prevent them from being
1:04:03
renewed and allowing complete compilation personal records and recollections. This would allow your review
1:04:11
board to further fulfill and properly perform it's congressionally mandated task. Additionally, as
1:04:20
distasteful and wild as the thought is that the American intelligence community could be involved
1:04:26
in such an event, I hope the board will keep an open mind as
1:04:30
they sift through the records. Your work may be the last official attempt to
1:04:33
bring to the light of days dark deed, so it is vital for you
1:04:38
to question everything you find. Remember, if any intelligence personnel were involved,
1:04:44
it is their profession and they are very adept at covering up any evidence of
1:04:47
their involvement in any activity. We as citizens expect anything else in any operation
1:04:56
that US intelligence personnel are involved in. We would them to be able to
1:05:00
complete their missions with expert precision. We would expect that they would be able
1:05:04
to cover up their involvement as an agency or involvement as a nation. We
1:05:09
would expect them to have thought of every possible snag and an operation, and
1:05:13
work to make their mission completely successful. I've spoken with individuals involved in intelligence
1:05:18
work or who have known persons who were and they have indicated that the intelligence
1:05:24
community could basically do anything that they wanted. We have had some recent indications
1:05:29
of this in the form of millions of dollars spent on building projects unknown to
1:05:33
Congress. Be this right or wrong, We as citizens should have a great
1:05:39
amount of respect for and suspicion of the power that these individuals and agencies wield
1:05:45
in our world. Please keep that in mind as you ponder the information brought
1:05:50
to your attention, in whatever form it is presented. And finally, I
1:05:55
would like to make a comment in relation to the Board's mandate. One of
1:05:59
the problems that certain individuals in our government have had with the idea of releasing
1:06:02
all the assassination records is that to do so make compromise methods employed by the
1:06:09
various intelligence agencies in their covert activities. At first glance, we may take
1:06:15
this to mean that it may make it difficult for them to use these techniques
1:06:18
in the future if they are made known to the general public. But I
1:06:23
would like to encourage the Board to consider that it may be that many of
1:06:27
these covert methods were used to carry out the assassination of President Kennedy, whether
1:06:30
by Americans or some other government. I have found circumstantial evidence of more than
1:06:35
a few intelligence techniques used in the assassination. Then may not be generally known.
1:06:42
But if this assassination was accomplished by Americans from the intelligence community, then
1:06:47
they have not only betrayed the citizenry of this country by taking from them their
1:06:53
president, but have betrayed their agencies in the US public by making it necessary
1:06:58
to uncover in public expose their methods in order to bring satisfaction to the American
1:07:04
people in this matter. This betrayal of their agencies alone makes them no better
1:07:10
than mister Ames of recent history. Again, thank you for your time.
1:07:18
Specific photographic evidence narrative in the film of the assassination known as the Next Film,
1:07:26
I believe that the figure that has been studied in the past that has
1:07:30
been referred to as the quote classic government image maybe one of the cameramen of
1:07:35
this army unit. This figure can be seen in what appears to be an
1:07:42
individual in a rifle firing position directly aimed at the motorcake and photographic enhancements and
1:07:47
analysis of this figure following things have been related by the Select Committee on Assassinations.
1:07:55
Note. After examining the so called enhanced image. The panel concludes that
1:08:00
the so called classic gumming object was not a gunman. There's no evidence of
1:08:04
human flesh tones in the head and hands area. Also, in the enhanced
1:08:10
image, the shadow pattern above and to the right of the object is seen
1:08:14
to be connected to the object itself. If you examine the photographs just given
1:08:19
to you, you will notice that the portable transmitter was in the form of
1:08:25
a backpack and thus would have been connected to the object itself. Also,
1:08:30
since the camera's roof viewfinder was a through the lens viewing device mounted on the
1:08:35
top of the camera, the camera would have hidden most of the facial flesh
1:08:40
tones. I believe if the latter frames of the NIXT film are enhanced,
1:08:44
showing the image upright, one may find that the shape near the head would
1:08:50
be consistent with the side view of a camera similar in design and the pictures
1:08:55
you now possess. The frames showing this pictures figure standing and turned somewhat sideways
1:09:01
as though he was visually following the motorcade can be seen in the NIXT film
1:09:06
a short time after the final gunshot, as mister Knicks photographed some people who
1:09:11
started to run up the grass he knoled towards defense. If this object is
1:09:15
one of the cameramen, he can now be seen training his camera towards the
1:09:18
Triple underpass, where the motorcade proceeded after the shots. This would have been
1:09:24
in obedience to his orders to videotape the motorcade. To my knowledge, these
1:09:29
frames showing the subject or showing the object vertical were not studied by the Select
1:09:33
Committee as closely as those showing the figure as a quote classic gunman image.
1:09:42
No, and don't forget which this guy did, about Gordon Arnold dressed up
1:09:53
in his little army unient form, taking his pictures and deali plaza from the
1:09:58
knoll. Yeah, and don't forget about all of the other which he probably
1:10:02
should have included, um in his presentation and research to the review board.
1:10:10
Um about all the other military intelligence officers that were in Dearly Plasma, including
1:10:21
James Powell and several others. So take that for what you will, folks,
1:10:30
You know, here we go, Here we go. All nice,
1:10:38
take that for what you will. Through the thought, think it over,
1:10:43
roll it around in your brain all you can come back to the present time.
1:10:46
Now, Yeah, come on back, get out of the DeLorean.
1:10:50
Yeah, yeah, okay, we're back. Doc Brown's back, dogs back,
1:10:57
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appreciated. U I said for your boy this week, big bad Bobby as
1:11:36
the building folks, peace, damn f tray can run down every prince of
1:12:03
the blood and the word. Now I'm a bond and no one has a
1:12:09
side. All that I could say in that rim. So you are planing
1:12:16
from my kids, all my friend and brother side, and my grimb that's
1:12:26
gone on finding. But I damage that's trouble my side. Well, I
1:12:35
willn't always love you, never done away. I will be for round time
1:13:09
when I was alone with my view, never so weak. I won't be
1:13:15
for around on a dime. And my grandma you were crowing from the end
1:13:25
of all my friend from the side, and my grandma that's also farving.
1:13:34
But the damage that shover shar in my time in the tow