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Michigan Wins, Trump's Executive Order College Sports, Kyle Whittingham Interview & MORE · Unafraid Show with George Wrighster

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Today, we have Kyle Whittingham, head
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Speaker 1: coach of the Michigan Wolverines college football team, in the
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Speaker 1: building today. You do not want to miss that. We
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Speaker 1: got to talk about how Michigan winning the national championship
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Speaker 1: in basketball, how it impacts college football, whether you are
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Speaker 1: an Oregon fan, an Arizona fan, wherever it is that
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Speaker 1: you are, because something happened, it is a big deal.
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Speaker 1: What happened with Michigan winning the national championship goes into
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Speaker 1: the executive order. We are going to break that down.
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Speaker 1: This is a nonpartisan conversation. This is college football and
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Speaker 2: Let's get to it.
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Speaker 1: Well. I was on spring break with the kiddos last
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Speaker 1: week and got me to thinking, because I was feeling good,
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Speaker 1: having a great time with them, I was like, we
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Speaker 1: should probably start the show out kind of like SVP does,
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Speaker 1: with something that is great and fun. Best thing that
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Speaker 1: we saw came from the UCLA women won the national
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Speaker 1: championship in college basketball, their first ever. And this video
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Speaker 1: made me smile. It made me happy. They're up here
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Speaker 1: dancing after whenning, They're doing TikTok dances, and it just
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Speaker 1: reminded me of the joy in sports and the things
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Speaker 1: that we love about sports. Ye, everybody wants to win
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Speaker 1: a championship and all of that, but it's the joy
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Speaker 1: that it brings you. Man. It was amazing. It made
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Speaker 1: me smile and I absolutely loved it, and I hope
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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it too. Now let's get down to business,
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Speaker 1: because the Big Ten now has the reigning champ in football,
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Speaker 1: the Indiana Hoosiers, women's basketball, the UCLA Bruins, and men's
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Speaker 1: basketball the Michigan Wolverines. At least, the SEC still has baseball, right, Oh,
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Speaker 1: actually wrong, UCLA is the number one team in the
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Speaker 1: nation baseball too, dude, and they sweet baseball. This is
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Speaker 1: going to SEC. People are going to lose it. The
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Speaker 1: people who used to be in power are no longer there.
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Speaker 1: This is the same thing that we love to see
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Speaker 1: that people actually want to see. The traditional powers they
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Speaker 1: get thrown away and then the actual people who are
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Speaker 1: doing the work and the people who don't usually win
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Speaker 1: get a chance to win. So I love it. Michigan
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Speaker 1: just won a national championship in men's basketball with not one,
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Speaker 1: not two, but zero starters who actually enrolled at Michigan
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Speaker 1: as freshmen. All of them were transfers. They had a
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Speaker 1: starting lineup with an average age of twenty two, a
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Speaker 1: starter who's twenty five years old, and Michigan became the
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Speaker 1: first ever team to win a national championship while starting
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Speaker 1: five transfers. They came from UAB, Illinois, UCLA, North Carolina,
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Speaker 1: and then Burnett came from Alabama by way of Texas Tech.
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Speaker 1: That is the new world order, because you can't look
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Speaker 1: at those men and be like, these are Michigan men,
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Speaker 1: but it's Michigan happy that they won a national championship.
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah. So it's like, on one hand, you got the
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Speaker 1: fans who are pumping up and down, like, yeah, we
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Speaker 1: just won a national championship. Indiana fans, Yeah, we just
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Speaker 1: won a national championship UCLA women's basketball. Their best player,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Best, transferred from Stanford. Yeah, we won a national championship.
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Speaker 1: So which if you're a Michigan guy, do you accept
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Speaker 1: these five men as Michigan men? Are they now part
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Speaker 1: of your greats of all time? Think about that? Think
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Speaker 1: about bo Knicks when he was at Oregon. He was
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Speaker 1: at Auburn prior to that, and then beat Oregon in
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Speaker 1: the first game of the season. Wasn't nobody fooling with
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Speaker 1: bow Knicks? But now playing two years at Oregon, Now,
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's an Oregon guy now right
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Speaker 1: like Bo Nick's way more than it ever did. It
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Speaker 1: just happened to Indiana where they had James Madison's team
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Speaker 1: and then people from other places transfer in to win
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Speaker 1: a national championship. So yes, they collectively did it under
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Speaker 1: the Indiana umbrella. But how do fans really feel about it?
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Speaker 1: Because the Indiana fans that I've talked to, they got
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Speaker 1: nothing to say nothing. Are Miami fans ready to ship
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Speaker 1: Darien Mensa back to Duke or do they want him
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Speaker 1: to play? Do LSU fans want Sam Levitt to sit
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Speaker 1: out because he transferred from Michigan State to Arizona State
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Speaker 1: to LSU. Do you want him to sit out? Probably
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Speaker 1: not right. You have to use and stand on business
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Speaker 1: on which side of these fens that you are on.
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Speaker 1: We got to talk about Donald Trump's second Executive Order
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Speaker 1: on college sports. Now. The last one was in July
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. It reiterated policies that were outlined
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Speaker 1: literally in the House Settlement Agreement. A new one that
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Speaker 1: came out in the beginning of April of twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 1: and then you had a lot of college leadership they're
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Speaker 1: celebrating President Trump's signing of the executive order that will
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Speaker 1: reportedly save college sports. This is the actual truth of
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Speaker 1: what is going on. The President's Executive Order is supposed,
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Speaker 1: according to the White House, protects college sports by using
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Speaker 1: federal authority to support enforcement of clear, consistent, and fair
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Speaker 1: rules on eligibility, transfers, and compensation, while promoting sustainable revenue
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Speaker 1: sharing and stronger protections for student athletes. This action establishes
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Speaker 1: critical guardrails to it to stabilize college athletic and protect
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Speaker 1: opportunities across all sports before it's too late. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: the first thing that we got to talk about is
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Speaker 1: this And that was a statement that was put out
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Speaker 1: literally today by the White House. I want you guys
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Speaker 1: to understand this exect. If you don't understand, obviously, executive
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Speaker 1: orders are not law. They are not They still have
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Speaker 1: to be subject to law. And I tweeted out when
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Speaker 1: this came out a week ago that this only causes
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Speaker 1: more confusion for schools and causes more confusion in the situation.
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Speaker 1: And people were confused because you had a lot of
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Speaker 1: people who put out statements, including conferences, Nick Saban, former
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Speaker 1: Alabama head coach, Randy Levine, president of the Yankees, Charlie Baker,
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Speaker 1: the NCAA president, Greg Sanki from the s Tony Pettiti
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Speaker 1: from the Big Ten, all of them, and they all
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Speaker 1: kind of said the general thing right, which is President
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Speaker 1: Trump's executive Order. It's a critical step towards restoring stability
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Speaker 1: in college sports. I think President Trump for his leadership
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Speaker 1: on this important issue and ensuring that the long term
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Speaker 1: health of college sports should be in the interest of
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Speaker 1: all Americans. There are many things that are in the
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Speaker 1: executive Order that are actually reasonable, but the issue is
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Speaker 1: this and why I said it's going to confuse then
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Speaker 1: actually doing the right thing is because schools are now
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Speaker 1: going to be faced because of the penalties, right because
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Speaker 1: this executive order is backed by a potential loss of
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Speaker 1: federal funding. But that means that schools that are not
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Speaker 1: public schools, you know, like the USC's, the Stanfords of
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Speaker 1: the world, the Harvards of the world, all of these,
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Speaker 1: they don't necessarily have to play by these same rules
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Speaker 1: that the public schools do. Here is the thing. Schools
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Speaker 1: are going to then be confused. Do we follow state
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Speaker 1: and federal law, things that have been decided by courts,
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Speaker 1: or do we follow this executive order? And if we don't,
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Speaker 1: we could lose fun. That's the issue why I said
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Speaker 1: that it causes more confusion than it does solve an
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Speaker 1: actual problem. So that's the first thing. This is cover
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Speaker 1: for the nc double A. This is cover for all
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Speaker 1: the powers that be in college football because they are
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Speaker 1: trying to get a system changed without actually changing themselves.
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Speaker 1: They want to roll back things for student athletes, roll
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Speaker 1: back and put caps on money, caps on all these
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Speaker 1: things without actually changing the system. And this is the
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Speaker 1: problem that the NCUBLEA has been under for over twenty
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Speaker 1: years since the Ed Obannon lawsuit because they are reactionary
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Speaker 1: and they want to keep the system the way it
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Speaker 1: used to be, and the old days are gone. To
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Speaker 1: use a quote from the wire, the thing about the
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Speaker 1: old days is that them the old days. Imagine if
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Speaker 1: we try to limit how much corporations could make, oh,
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Speaker 1: everybody would go crazy, or limit how much you could
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Speaker 1: make at your particular job. It would feel Unamerican. And
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Speaker 1: so is this trying to roll back protections for student athletes.
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Speaker 1: I testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Name,
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Speaker 1: Image and Likeness. I am one hundred percent in favor
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Speaker 1: of salary caps and roster pay limits for your entire roster.
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Speaker 1: So you got to budget it out the way everybody
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Speaker 1: is playing under the same system. That means that shoe companies,
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Speaker 1: lear Fields all these other companies that they can't go
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Speaker 1: around and sign an entire team or half a team
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Speaker 1: or just the star players to nil deals that aren't
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Speaker 1: actual real deals and so far exceeding their market value
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Speaker 1: because NFL players have a certain market value. So but
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Speaker 1: you can't tell me that college football players have significantly
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Speaker 1: more market nil value, name image and likeness value than professionals.
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Speaker 3: Do.
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Speaker 1: College players have significant pay for play value. It is
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Speaker 1: the it's the nil value that is completely different and
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Speaker 1: completely off base. I do believe that that transfers are
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Speaker 1: a thing, but the Executive Order is trying to limit
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Speaker 1: transfers by saying that you only transfer once for free
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Speaker 1: and then after that you have to sit out a
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Speaker 1: year like you used to. You have to sit out.
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Speaker 1: I do not believe that transfers need to be capped
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Speaker 1: by times or anything else. It needs to be tied
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Speaker 1: to your contract because this is big business. This is
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Speaker 1: professional business for everybody, even to players. So we have
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Speaker 1: to stop pretending that sports in college serve any other
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Speaker 1: purpose in college football, college basketball, and even women's basketball
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Speaker 1: outside of making money. That's what their sole purpose is.
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Speaker 1: It's not for the betterment of athletics and their personal growth. No,
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Speaker 1: it is to make money. This is a money making enterprise.
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Speaker 1: But let's talk about the rest of the things in
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Speaker 1: the Executive Order. Because number one, they want eligibility caps,
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Speaker 1: that participation in athletics in college should be limited to
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Speaker 1: a five year window with exceptions for military service, missions
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Speaker 1: or other absences in public interests, and athletes who have
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Speaker 1: competed at the professional level cannot return to college athletics.
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Speaker 1: This seems reasonable, right, I would add medical years when
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Speaker 1: you have significant injuries and stuff like that. I won
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent five years to play play five and
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Speaker 1: not having professional players in college sports makes a lot
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Speaker 1: of sense. And also the reason why that matters too,
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Speaker 1: is because if you let professionals, guys who declare for
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Speaker 1: the draft and all that stuff and go to a
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Speaker 1: league and sign a contract come back and play, you're
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Speaker 1: actually limiting opportunities for high school athletes. And also that's
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Speaker 1: not real life and real business because when you make
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Speaker 1: a decision to and granted there's a lot of players
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Speaker 1: who get bad advice, they go to the league, they
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Speaker 1: declare for the draft, they get especially in basketball, be
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Speaker 1: second round picks, don't make it in the NBA, then
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Speaker 1: they've tried to or play overseas and they want to
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Speaker 1: come back. Well, that's a consequence of your decision, and
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Speaker 1: it's unfortunate, but that's the reality of the situation and
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Speaker 1: it should be.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: The second thing is transfer restrictions, and I already talked
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Speaker 1: about that briefly. Is that you get one free transfer
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Speaker 1: and then a second transfer is only available if the
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Speaker 1: athlete has obtained a four year degree or you have
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Speaker 1: to sit out a year. This is rolling things back
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Speaker 1: the old days because it needs to be tied to contracts.
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Speaker 1: And when you are not under contract, you can move,
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Speaker 1: or you have to pay a buyout and you move.
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Speaker 1: Nothing unreasonable there but to try to give people up
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Speaker 1: force them to sit out when there is money available.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, that is anti American. Because
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Speaker 1: if I am not under contract, or I'm even under
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Speaker 1: contract and there's a buyout or clauses for me to
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Speaker 1: get out and I'm making one hundred thousand dollars, somebody
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Speaker 1: else offers me one million dollars, but I have to
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Speaker 1: sit out. What that's actually an American. The third point
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Speaker 1: in the executive Order is nil and pay for play.
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Speaker 1: So the order prohibits fraudulent nil schemes, which are defined
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Speaker 1: as an arrangement to pay above their actual fair market
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Speaker 1: value in connection with an athlete's participation in college of letics.
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Speaker 1: Two safe harbors are carved out revenue sharing consistent with
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Speaker 1: the NCAA House Settlement rules and fair market value compensation
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Speaker 1: by an unaffiliated third party for valid business purposes. And
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Speaker 1: it's that The order also defines and prohibits four categories
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Speaker 1: of improper financial activities, including tortuously interfering with a student
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Speaker 1: athlete's contract at another institution. So TAM bring a provision
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Speaker 1: that targets widespread issue due to poaching in the transfer
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Speaker 1: portal era poaching. I mean they do this in professional sports.
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Speaker 1: But it has to do with contracts, right, Contracts are
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Speaker 1: the contracts and if you can't put and now I
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Speaker 1: am a fan of not being able to pay above
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Speaker 1: market value. But the issue is it is very difficult
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Speaker 1: to assess what somebody's real market value is. Like a
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Speaker 1: kid who is from Tuscaloosa, Alabama who turns out to
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Speaker 1: be very good could be worth more or have more
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Speaker 1: market value in the state of Alabama, which is significantly
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Speaker 1: higher than he does in Kentucky or California or Oregon
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Speaker 1: or New York or anywhere else, even so much more
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Speaker 1: than it could be more than a star player. So
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Speaker 1: those things are very difficult to manage by a third party.
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Speaker 1: But we can't have Adidas, Nike, Liarfield, any of these
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Speaker 1: companies signing players to endorsement contracts when they're not actually
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Speaker 1: going to be endorsing anything. And some of these contracts
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Speaker 1: are saying that they are nil, but they're lumping it
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Speaker 1: in as well if the company is going to do it,
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Speaker 1: so it's an at will think. So now players are
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Speaker 1: not receiving money that they are supposed to end contracts.
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Speaker 1: So I do believe that there needs to be some
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Speaker 1: legislation about these things because you have to have broad rules,
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Speaker 1: but most important, you have to have a place for enforcement.
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Speaker 1: So the next thing in there is Women's and Olympic
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Speaker 1: sports protections, revenue sharing that it cannot be allocated in
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Speaker 1: a way that reduces scholarships and opportunities and women's and
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Speaker 1: Olympic sports. I am one hundred percent because you will
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Speaker 1: have schools saying, oh my gosh, we don't have enough
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Speaker 1: money for women's water polo and all of this stuff,
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Speaker 1: but we're dedicating ninety five percent of our resources to football. No,
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Speaker 1: you need to spend your money a little bit better,
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Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean that these other sports get cut out.
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Speaker 1: And that's where the college model still is, is that
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Speaker 1: you are essentially subsidizing other sports on some level, which
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Speaker 1: is one hundred percent right because the majority of our
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Speaker 1: Olympic athletes, those are the people that turn into more
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Speaker 1: often than people in football and basketball turn into doctors, lawyers, engineers,
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Speaker 1: and other business owners and everything else because there's more
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Speaker 1: of them. So they get a chance to get a
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Speaker 1: scholarship to go to school. Otherwise they wouldn't have been
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Speaker 1: able to pay for college or even get into college
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Speaker 1: or go to college, and now they have an opportunity
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Speaker 1: to do so. So that's why that's important. Next thing
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Speaker 1: is medical care for student athletes, very important. We will
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Speaker 1: have to go through that because that's very important. And
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Speaker 1: then there's agent regulation, which we can all agree with
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Speaker 1: that there needs to be some sort of because you
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Speaker 1: have these street agents and all this stuff, and there
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Speaker 1: needs to be some sordidized sort of standardized whether it's
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Speaker 1: tests or certification, just like the NBA does. One of
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Speaker 1: the last was this challenging state NIL laws. It says
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Speaker 1: the Attorney General is directed to bring legal actions to
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Speaker 1: invalidate state laws that conflict with NC double A rules.
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Speaker 1: Think about this, So we're trying to put NC double
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Speaker 1: A rules above state laws, invoking the dormant commerce clause,
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Speaker 1: the contracts caused, and the federal preemption. And this is
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Speaker 1: a direct attack on the patchwork of state NIL laws
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Speaker 1: that the NC DOUBLEA has long argued under my undermines
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Speaker 1: uniform enforcement. But this is where you do need Congress
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Speaker 1: to act. What they're asking for is an antitrust agreement.
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Speaker 1: And what they really want is, and this is probably
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Speaker 1: the overarching sentiment of this, is that they want to
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Speaker 1: keep the exact same system in place of hierarchy, while
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Speaker 1: at the same time not not causing themselves any issue
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Speaker 1: or change. It would be like me going to therapy
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Speaker 1: with my wife and saying, hey, wife, you need to
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Speaker 1: do better, you need to do better, you need to change,
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Speaker 1: you need to change, and never looking in the mirror
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Speaker 1: and being like, I need to change. The overarching answer
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Speaker 1: to this is a collective bargaining agreement. It is difficult
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Speaker 1: because you have so many levels of college sports, but
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Speaker 1: it can be done. There needs to be one person
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Speaker 1: in charge, particularly of college football, one person in charge,
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Speaker 1: entity in charge. That's it, whether it's the super League,
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Speaker 1: the power for any of these things, that one entity
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Speaker 1: needs to be in charge so they handle schedule making.
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Speaker 1: So now if media rights are pulled pulled like pulled
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Speaker 1: together for all the conferences, yes there will be more
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Speaker 1: money available, but it will also flatten. Think about that
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Speaker 1: parody in sports, Oh my God, all the NFL teams
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Speaker 1: get the exact same amount of money from the league
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Speaker 1: for their media deal. Same amount. Yes, the Cowboys can
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Speaker 1: generate some more money in certain certain ways than the
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Speaker 1: Chargers can, or the Packers or you know in the
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Speaker 1: Dolphins or anybody else. Yes, your individual agreements with the
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Speaker 1: with your sponsors and all that stuff. Yes, but everybody
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Speaker 1: gets into flattening that creates parody. And the NCAA is
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Speaker 1: consistently trying to have an uneven system that does not
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Speaker 1: lead to great viewing for fans, and the fans have
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Speaker 1: to be thought about to protect the players protected, the
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Speaker 1: school's protected, and fans. Those are the things that need
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Speaker 1: to be at the top of the list. And that's
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Speaker 1: what we're not doing. They want to keep the system
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Speaker 1: the exact same for the for the leadership, and that
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Speaker 1: this is where this falls flat. A collective bargaining agreement
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Speaker 1: is the only way forward, the only way forward. I
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Speaker 1: am going to ask Michigan head coach Kyle Whittingham about
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Speaker 1: these things and what he thinks about him and what
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Speaker 1: should happen, because this is a man who will speak
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Speaker 1: candidly about it. But you guys, leave it in the comments.
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Speaker 1: Leave your thoughts here and thanks for being one of
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Speaker 1: us here on the Unafraid Show. We are now joined
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Speaker 1: by the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines, mister Kyle Whittingham. Sir,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, George, appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on as a coach. When you
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Speaker 1: come into a new place, you don't know any of
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Speaker 1: the players aside from what you've watched on television. So
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Speaker 1: what's the process of roster evaluation when you don't know
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Speaker 1: the people and you've been so big on the people
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Speaker 1: over rankings and everything else your whole career.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it begins with film study, you know, checking
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Speaker 3: out the film from the previous season and getting to
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Speaker 3: know the guys that way. Obviously, we hit the weight
21:23
Speaker 3: room right away when we got back from the break,
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Speaker 3: and that's a big part of you know, your your
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Speaker 3: success is laying a solid framework and getting the work
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Speaker 3: done in the weight room. And so we had a
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Speaker 3: really good winter conditioning program, went about eight weeks and
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Speaker 3: then we jumped into spring ball and we're towards the
21:41
Speaker 3: tail end of spring ball now nine practices down with
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Speaker 3: six to go.
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Speaker 1: So, and what have you seen out of your team
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Speaker 1: in these few practices that you've been able to have
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Speaker 1: and actually have hands on task on the field.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very willing and hungry football team. Excellent work ethic,
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Speaker 3: they focus, they concentrate, and they've got the right attitude,
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Speaker 3: and they've got really good leadership. We've got a bunch
22:10
Speaker 3: of good leaders on the team and the team is
22:14
Speaker 3: really started to come together, and you know, we're along
22:17
Speaker 3: ways to where we need to be. But we feel
22:21
Speaker 3: like we've made good progress so far in spring. Got
22:23
Speaker 3: to finish strong and then we have a little bit
22:26
Speaker 3: of downtime then jump right into the summer conditioning and
22:29
Speaker 3: that'll be huge for us, the summer conditioning program and
22:32
Speaker 3: the player led practices that we have during the summer.
22:36
Speaker 1: A lot of coaches when they get into a new place,
22:39
Speaker 1: they don't say the thing that you said, Oh we
22:41
Speaker 1: have a hard working group. All of the stuff you
22:44
Speaker 1: you hear a lot of the culture was broken and
22:46
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. So how does that? How does that? Well?
22:51
Speaker 1: Did that make you smile? Where you excited? And how
22:55
Speaker 1: easy is that going to be for you now to
22:58
Speaker 1: instill the your fundamental principles in a group that is
23:02
Speaker 1: already you know, working hard, like that.
23:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, nothing's easy. I can tell you that. In football,
23:08
Speaker 3: you know, it's everything is is a challenge. But but
23:12
Speaker 3: these guys have high character. There was exceptionally uh impressed
23:18
Speaker 3: with how tune they are into their academics and when
23:21
Speaker 3: they were graduating and what they were going to do
23:23
Speaker 3: with their degree. They you know, the term Michigan man.
23:26
Speaker 3: I mean, these guys epitomize that they're they're you know,
23:29
Speaker 3: a bunch of good guys and and uh really very
23:32
Speaker 3: similar to the guys we had back in Salt Lake City.
23:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, so are you now a Michigan Man.
23:39
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And this is a special place, I'm telling you
23:44
Speaker 3: right now. The resources, the academics, the academics are off
23:47
Speaker 3: the charts here. It's it's incredible how many of their
23:51
Speaker 3: programs are in the top five, top top three in
23:54
Speaker 3: the nation. Uh So that that's a that's a huge
23:57
Speaker 3: selling point for the athletes. Tradition and history here is
24:02
Speaker 3: incredible as well. And that's one thing I wanted to
24:05
Speaker 3: make sure I emphasize at the onset is I'm not
24:10
Speaker 3: here to change tradition in history. This place has played
24:13
Speaker 3: a lot of football before I got here, and they'll
24:15
Speaker 3: play a lot of football after I leave, and not
24:18
Speaker 3: interested in disrupting in any way, shape or form the
24:21
Speaker 3: history of this place.
24:23
Speaker 1: And so when you come to Michigan, obviously there's a
24:29
Speaker 1: way that you did things at Utah. There's a way
24:32
Speaker 1: that you have been used to doing it, and you
24:35
Speaker 1: didn't care about star ratings and recruiting and all of
24:39
Speaker 1: that stuff. And I've always wondered, man, I think that
24:41
Speaker 1: he's one of the best coaches in the country. I
24:44
Speaker 1: wonder what he would do if he had more access
24:46
Speaker 1: to four and five star talent. So, how does this
24:49
Speaker 1: change your recruiting philosophy? Because logos and resources do change
24:55
Speaker 1: your availability of who you can get in the door.
25:00
Speaker 3: And we feel like we can recruit an any young
25:02
Speaker 3: man in the country. They're all willing to visit and
25:05
Speaker 3: come check us out. And really, the bottom line is
25:08
Speaker 3: the bar is raised in every area. You know, when
25:10
Speaker 3: you're a Michigan you know the facilities are phenomenal here,
25:15
Speaker 3: the recruiting competition and the level of recruiting is raised.
25:19
Speaker 3: And so there was nothing that surprised us. I mean,
25:22
Speaker 3: we anticipated this, and so far we're off to a
25:26
Speaker 3: pretty good start. We've had a bunch of unofficial visits
25:28
Speaker 3: come through here last three or four weeks and players
25:32
Speaker 3: are really excited about what's going on.
25:34
Speaker 1: And one of the your top big name players is
25:38
Speaker 1: your quarterback Bryce Underwood. How has the relationship with him
25:42
Speaker 1: been built and what's the situation with is it a
25:45
Speaker 1: quarterback competition? Is it like, how are you handling that?
25:49
Speaker 1: Because that's one of the big things going on.
25:52
Speaker 3: Absolutely well. First of all, Bryce was the first young
25:54
Speaker 3: man I interviewed back in at the bull site. I
25:56
Speaker 3: sat down with him as parents and made sure that
25:59
Speaker 3: we're all on the same page there. He's a tremendous talent. Obviously,
26:04
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's got every tangible you know, the height,
26:09
Speaker 3: the size, the arm, strength and mobility and so just
26:13
Speaker 3: trying to find tune a few of the mechanics that
26:16
Speaker 3: were a little rough last year. But he is, without
26:19
Speaker 3: a doubt, one of our team leaders, if not the
26:22
Speaker 3: team leader. We had a vote for captains, you know,
26:25
Speaker 3: early in January, and he was a landslide nominee for
26:29
Speaker 3: one of the offensive captains. So players really embrace him
26:32
Speaker 3: and respect him. He had a pretty tough task last
26:36
Speaker 3: year as an eighteen year old freshman in the starting
26:39
Speaker 3: quarterback at the University of Michigan and really did some
26:42
Speaker 3: good things. I mean, the numbers have to improve, we
26:44
Speaker 3: know that, he knows that, and they will improve. But
26:48
Speaker 3: he is, you know, without question, the number one guy.
26:51
Speaker 3: That's not a quarterback competition. He is QB one right now,
26:55
Speaker 3: and that's just how we are.
26:58
Speaker 1: And you got a chance to the University of Michigan
27:02
Speaker 1: men's basketball team win a national championship last night. And
27:06
Speaker 1: when you were at Utah you saw some national championships
27:09
Speaker 1: in skiing and in gymnastics. But this has to feel
27:14
Speaker 1: a little bit different, right it does.
27:16
Speaker 3: And congratulations to coach Dustin May and his crew. What
27:20
Speaker 3: an outstanding year and just a dominant basketball team and
27:24
Speaker 3: the way that they played together and performed he was
27:29
Speaker 3: really really impressive. And got to go to a few
27:33
Speaker 3: of the home games here and actually went to the
27:36
Speaker 3: Final four game on Saturday, and you could be happier
27:41
Speaker 3: and more proud of those guys.
27:43
Speaker 1: So does that put a little bit of pressure on
27:45
Speaker 1: you because obviously at Utah you wanted to win conference
27:49
Speaker 1: championships or possibly make the college football playoffs. But now
27:52
Speaker 1: at Michigan, the expectations are excuse excuse, me, sir, where's
27:56
Speaker 1: the national championship? And have you beat Ohio State?
28:00
Speaker 3: Well, that's going to be the case here no matter what.
28:02
Speaker 3: You know. If there's basketball championship enhance, that then great.
28:05
Speaker 3: I mean I got no problem with that. But you know,
28:08
Speaker 3: we know that the expectation here and should be to
28:12
Speaker 3: compete for the Big Ten championship year in the year out.
28:15
Speaker 3: And now that the playoffs are a thing, you'll make
28:16
Speaker 3: it to the playoffs. That's obviously a goal as well.
28:18
Speaker 3: And we're Michigan, it should be. I mean, there's no
28:21
Speaker 3: hiding from that, and there's no trying to lower expectations
28:25
Speaker 3: on my part. I mean, we've got to do the
28:27
Speaker 3: best we can each and every year, and that would
28:31
Speaker 3: be competing on a national level. I mean that's just
28:34
Speaker 3: how it goes here.
28:36
Speaker 1: And when you get to a place like Michigan, obviously
28:40
Speaker 1: the big game against Ohio State is the championship prior
28:45
Speaker 1: to the college football playoffs. But we've seen new coaches
28:50
Speaker 1: go into places that they weren't around and it takes
28:54
Speaker 1: them a minute to embrace the culture and the rivalries
28:57
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. How are you learning of
29:00
Speaker 1: about more about this Ohio State rivalry, rivalry, and you know,
29:04
Speaker 1: and how are you going to embrace the the hate
29:07
Speaker 1: when you don't have the time on task that everybody
29:10
Speaker 1: else does.
29:12
Speaker 3: Well, I think everyone in the country knows about the rivalry.
29:14
Speaker 3: You don't have to be a part of it to uh,
29:16
Speaker 3: you know, just understand the intensity and you know, you
29:19
Speaker 3: just watch TV and and uh you know, every single
29:22
Speaker 3: year it's a it's the game of the year. We
29:25
Speaker 3: had a pretty darn good rivalry in Utah, you know,
29:28
Speaker 3: the University of Utah and b YU or a heated
29:31
Speaker 3: rivalry that's more in state, whereas the uh, you know,
29:35
Speaker 3: the Michigan Ohio game is is definitely a national uh
29:40
Speaker 3: of national interest and I would say it's got to
29:42
Speaker 3: be the biggest rivalry in the country. I don't know,
29:44
Speaker 3: there's some really good ones out there, but I don't
29:46
Speaker 3: think anybody can surpass what we got going here.
29:49
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's definitely. So So, what are your goals
29:54
Speaker 1: for year one at Michigan Because you look at your
29:57
Speaker 1: schedule and it's Oaklah, home of man big names in
30:01
Speaker 1: the Big ten, Big ten, Big Big ten. What what's
30:05
Speaker 1: realistic for you guys, and what are you talking to
30:07
Speaker 1: the team about.
30:08
Speaker 3: Well, we want to win a Big Ten championship. I mean,
30:10
Speaker 3: that's that's the goal. And I think that, like I
30:12
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, that should be the goal at Michigan. And
30:14
Speaker 3: we've got great resources here, We've got really good players.
30:19
Speaker 3: You know, we got to continue to work on the
30:20
Speaker 3: depth and filling out the bottom half of the roster.
30:24
Speaker 3: But but that's why, that's why we're here, is to
30:26
Speaker 3: get that done. But you know, if you're a Michigan
30:29
Speaker 3: and you're not playing for the Big Ten championship, then
30:32
Speaker 3: there's something wrong in my opinion.
30:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the last time we had a chance to talk,
30:38
Speaker 1: literally about a year ago, you said that you believe
30:43
Speaker 1: that we were about five years or so away from
30:46
Speaker 1: a super conference in college football. Do you think we're
30:50
Speaker 1: any closer to that? And how close are we to
30:53
Speaker 1: getting things fixed in your opinion about with nil the
30:57
Speaker 1: transfer portal and and you know, coaches moving, players moving
31:01
Speaker 1: and everything else surrounding it.
31:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, first of all, I believe we are heading
31:06
Speaker 3: down the road to super conferences in a super league,
31:08
Speaker 3: if you will. And you know what that looks like.
31:12
Speaker 3: Anybody's best guess, I foresee four conferences geographically, you know,
31:18
Speaker 3: a northwest and northeast, southwest, southeast, but you know, conferences
31:22
Speaker 3: that make a little more sense geographically. But but I
31:25
Speaker 3: think that is certainly on the horizon. What we're doing
31:29
Speaker 3: now with NIL and with the portal, it's not a
31:33
Speaker 3: sustainable model. It's got to be tweaked. It's got to
31:35
Speaker 3: be I shouldn't say tweaked, it's got to be overhauled.
31:39
Speaker 3: And I'm you know, in my own opinion, where we're
31:41
Speaker 3: heading is more of an NFL minor league model, salary cap,
31:46
Speaker 3: you know, the player union, collective bargaining, all that type
31:51
Speaker 3: of thing. I think, I think that's what you're going
31:52
Speaker 3: to see in the next now, four to five years.
31:55
Speaker 1: And I've been a proponent of that for a long
31:58
Speaker 1: time because I believe that where we're at now, number one,
32:03
Speaker 1: you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. And
32:06
Speaker 1: also when that college football, especially it's not looked at
32:11
Speaker 1: as an enterprise like that. Michigan's doing what's best for Michigan.
32:15
Speaker 1: Oregon's doing what's best for Oregon. Alabama's doing what's best
32:18
Speaker 1: for Oregon, I mean for Alabama, and the conferences are
32:21
Speaker 1: acting like you know, individual things as opposed to the NFL.
32:25
Speaker 1: Everybody is doing what is best for football, and I
32:29
Speaker 1: believe that that's the way to fix college football and
32:33
Speaker 1: have just one entity governing the whole thing and then
32:38
Speaker 1: have those conferences that you were talking about. How do
32:40
Speaker 1: you see it playing out if you could just wipe
32:44
Speaker 1: your magic wind and do it?
32:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, as I mentioned, I think I think we
32:49
Speaker 3: are head to the super leagues now. That could mean
32:53
Speaker 3: maybe some not some good things for the teams that
32:55
Speaker 3: don't make that cut, you know, because I would be
32:58
Speaker 3: thinking that the super leagues will only play themselves and
33:01
Speaker 3: they'll be a league of their own and they won't
33:02
Speaker 3: play any lower level conference or teams. And so what
33:07
Speaker 3: damage that could do to the to the other you know,
33:10
Speaker 3: one hundred or whatever teams that are in the running there,
33:15
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you, but but I just know that,
33:18
Speaker 3: you know, the model we have is is just not
33:22
Speaker 3: going to be able to continue. Uh, the n I
33:25
Speaker 3: L is getting out of control, and uh, you know,
33:28
Speaker 3: there's got to be Everyone uses the term guardrails, but
33:31
Speaker 3: but we've got to have some structure to.
33:32
Speaker 1: The whole thing. And and a lot of people when
33:35
Speaker 1: they hear those those those words, oh in I l's
33:39
Speaker 1: out of control. They think that coaches aren't in favor
33:43
Speaker 1: of paying players and that they shouldn't participate. But I've
33:48
Speaker 1: talked to you. I know that's not what you mean.
33:50
Speaker 1: So can you explain to what that exactly means when
33:53
Speaker 1: coaches specifically you say that, Well, I.
33:58
Speaker 3: Think it's just you know, a salary cap is really
34:00
Speaker 3: what we're talking about. Should players get paid and deserve
34:03
Speaker 3: to get paid? Absolutely, there's no There's no question. They
34:06
Speaker 3: are college football. It's all about the players. It's not
34:08
Speaker 3: about the coaches or or anything else. It's about the players.
34:11
Speaker 3: And for years and years they went really without getting
34:17
Speaker 3: any I shouldn't say without getting anything, because we've got scholarships,
34:19
Speaker 3: and now a scholarship see seems so minor compared to what,
34:23
Speaker 3: you know, what some of the guys are making. But
34:26
Speaker 3: but I'm all in favor of players getting compensated. But
34:30
Speaker 3: just like the NFL as a solar cap, it's not
34:32
Speaker 3: just a free for all. In the NFL, there's structure
34:34
Speaker 3: to it, and that's where there has to be.
34:37
Speaker 1: What would you say to those people that that say, well, players,
34:44
Speaker 1: we want to restrict player movement and money, but we're
34:47
Speaker 1: not doing that to coaches. Now, how do you feel
34:50
Speaker 1: about the coaches situation? Because you know, I have a
34:53
Speaker 1: son playing college football, and how I got another one
34:56
Speaker 1: that I'm going to bring up to Michigan's camp at
34:58
Speaker 1: some point in time. When coaches make promises, I'm going
35:02
Speaker 1: to take care of your your kid and all that.
35:05
Speaker 1: So it's it's one part. I don't believe that you
35:07
Speaker 1: should restrict people's money, but at the same time, promises
35:11
Speaker 1: are made. So how would you look at it to
35:14
Speaker 1: those people who say that, Well.
35:17
Speaker 3: It is America, it's free enterprise, and so you know,
35:20
Speaker 3: coaches are going to be able to move around as
35:21
Speaker 3: they please. And and uh that's why, as we said,
35:25
Speaker 3: a collective bargaining agreement and contracts where where you've got
35:29
Speaker 3: to have something locked in, there's got to be some
35:31
Speaker 3: form of stability. And uh, you know, I think the
35:34
Speaker 3: coaches will will have maybe more restrictive contracts like the
35:38
Speaker 3: NFL does and and that type of thing. But but uh,
35:42
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying the players should never be able
35:44
Speaker 3: to to uh, you know, make a move or transfer,
35:48
Speaker 3: because I don't think that's fair either, but but to
35:50
Speaker 3: have a portal window where you can transfer every year
35:54
Speaker 3: unrestricted and some you know, some years it was twice
35:57
Speaker 3: a year. That's you know, your roster is such so
35:59
Speaker 3: much in flow bucks that you never you know, really know.
36:03
Speaker 3: It's better now with the one portal system, I believe,
36:06
Speaker 3: but there's just got to be something. And again I
36:09
Speaker 3: keep going back to the NFL model because that works.
36:11
Speaker 3: I think the NFL is the best run sports league
36:14
Speaker 3: in the you know, in the world, and so it's
36:16
Speaker 3: a it's a pretty good model to follow. You got
36:19
Speaker 3: to make some adjustments because they're not in the NFL,
36:22
Speaker 3: they're in college still. But but you can still have
36:25
Speaker 3: the basic uh parameters and structure in place.
36:29
Speaker 1: All right, coach, I'm gonna get you out of out
36:31
Speaker 1: of here uh now. But but but I'm gonna ask
36:34
Speaker 1: you two questions about your roster and then we'll be done.
36:38
Speaker 2: Okay.
36:43
Speaker 1: So you're a bunch of practice into a spring. Which
36:47
Speaker 1: position groups have stood out the most to you so
36:50
Speaker 1: far in practice?
36:52
Speaker 3: Okay, I would say running backs. We got a really
36:55
Speaker 3: strong running back room. Jordan Marshall is the is the
36:57
Speaker 3: lead back. He's RB one uh uh. Save On Hyder
37:01
Speaker 3: has had a tremendous spring so far. True freshman just
37:04
Speaker 3: got here a couple of months ago out of high school.
37:07
Speaker 3: He's a real promising young man, young player that that
37:12
Speaker 3: has a big upside wide receiver group. I think is
37:15
Speaker 3: has made strides and uh, Andrew marsh is the is
37:19
Speaker 3: the lead guy there, He's the he's the primary target.
37:23
Speaker 3: Defensive line looks solid, got some good players coming back,
37:26
Speaker 3: looks like, well, I'm about eight guys that that will
37:29
Speaker 3: be in that rotation. And then the secondary, you know,
37:31
Speaker 3: the starting secondary looks like it's going to be pretty good.
37:34
Speaker 3: We've got to get a little more depth there and
37:36
Speaker 3: and develop a few more players. But but those are
37:38
Speaker 3: probably the high points of the football team right now.
37:42
Speaker 1: How how's my guy cam Brandt doing? Because because because
37:45
Speaker 1: he played with my son in high school and I
37:48
Speaker 1: like that kid a lot.
37:49
Speaker 3: I do too, and he's he's doing a great job
37:51
Speaker 3: right now. He's running with the ones and and has
37:54
Speaker 3: had a really solid spring so far.
37:57
Speaker 1: When when you were leaving Utah and you were trying
37:59
Speaker 1: to decide, you know, or like the conversations happen or
38:04
Speaker 1: what about players going to Michigan? How does that work?
38:08
Speaker 1: How does that do? Do the players initiated, do the
38:12
Speaker 1: coaches initiated, like did how does that work? A player
38:15
Speaker 1: leave one place to go to another when a coach leaves, Well.
38:20
Speaker 3: They just have the same freedom as they would if
38:22
Speaker 3: the coach had not left them in the portal. That's
38:24
Speaker 3: why the portal's there. They put their name in the
38:25
Speaker 3: portal and then start shopping around and decide what the
38:28
Speaker 3: best fit is. We ended up recruiting five of those
38:32
Speaker 3: young men from Utah that that were in the portal,
38:35
Speaker 3: and that's that's the sequence of events. They go in
38:37
Speaker 3: the portal first and then you make contact and go
38:40
Speaker 3: from there. But that's very pretty minimal. I think coach
38:45
Speaker 3: from Iowa State that went to Penn State, Coach Campbell,
38:48
Speaker 3: I think there was like twenty five guys that they
38:50
Speaker 3: went from Iowa State to Penn State. So it was really,
38:53
Speaker 3: you know, much less than I think it was typical.
38:56
Speaker 3: But we feel really good about the five guys that
38:58
Speaker 3: we got here and excited to have me in the program.
39:01
Speaker 1: Well, coach, we are excited to see you this season
39:05
Speaker 1: and home and we and you know I like you
39:08
Speaker 1: a lot. We will be up there hopefully to get
39:10
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to you and have a great season.
39:14
Speaker 3: Thank you, George, appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: Ralph go. I'll go until we get to number ten. Ralph,
41:38
Speaker 1: I will no go on, go on, I will I
41:41
Speaker 1: will let.
41:41
Speaker 2: You go no, no, I'm you can go first. I
41:46
Speaker 2: feel like one one is obvious, but I'll be here
41:50
Speaker 2: to steal if you don't take it.
41:54
Speaker 1: All right, So for me, numero uno number one for
41:59
Speaker 1: me because I want to steal this. The way you
42:03
Speaker 1: don't get it is the Olympics. The Olympics. It is
42:07
Speaker 1: the greatest event that there is. It only comes up
42:11
Speaker 1: once every four years. You can go Summer Olympics, Winter Olympics.
42:16
Speaker 1: I don't even care. I didn't think it was fair
42:17
Speaker 1: to separate them. It's once every four years. You have
42:22
Speaker 1: to show up with your best. That means you have
42:25
Speaker 1: to be born in the right year, so there's luck
42:28
Speaker 1: involved for you to be a medalist. You have to
42:31
Speaker 1: be obviously born with elite skills. You have that proper training.
42:36
Speaker 1: You can't get hurt in the wrong year. So much
42:39
Speaker 1: has to go right that it is by far, and
42:43
Speaker 1: it's the most watched and the biggest spectacle in the world.
42:46
Speaker 2: I went already, so I'll give you Summer Olympics is
42:53
Speaker 2: my one one and there's nothing close to it. Winter
42:55
Speaker 2: is not even in my top ten. I don't really care.
42:58
Speaker 2: It's harder to watch Summer, you know, is kind of
43:02
Speaker 2: downtime for a lot of different sports. Only really baseball
43:06
Speaker 2: is competing. So anybody who kid is like a hero
43:15
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. You know, I luckily
43:19
Speaker 2: old enough to remember like the dream Team in basketball,
43:22
Speaker 2: love the boxing, love the wrestling. There's not a lot
43:27
Speaker 2: that's better than swimming and gymnastics. It's all great. And
43:31
Speaker 2: Summer Olympics would have been my one one. So you
43:33
Speaker 2: got me there. I'm my first overall, which is I
43:37
Speaker 2: guess number two for the purposes of this list is
43:40
Speaker 2: something that I'm brand new to, brand new. I have
43:44
Speaker 2: family members have been trying to get me into this
43:47
Speaker 2: sport forever. Still not the sport, no, no, actually, still
43:53
Speaker 2: not fully into the sport. But this particular event is
43:59
Speaker 2: probably my fa favorite event to watch follow along with.
44:03
Speaker 2: And we're in the middle of it right now. It's
44:05
Speaker 2: Masters week. Baby. I love the Masters. Really, I I
44:10
Speaker 2: grew yeah, I grew up with that being really the
44:12
Speaker 2: only golf that I ever watched. And uh again, being
44:18
Speaker 2: lucky enough to be you know, same age as like
44:21
Speaker 2: Tiger as he was in you know, his prime and
44:25
Speaker 2: and everything like that, and Phil Michelson being an ASU
44:27
Speaker 2: guy and and so that was really the only golf
44:31
Speaker 2: I ever paid attention to, but recently started like planning
44:37
Speaker 2: like to watch the Masters for several days in a row.
44:40
Speaker 2: The way that it's broadcast, the reverence for it, the skill,
44:45
Speaker 2: the pressure, it's just it's super super cool.
44:49
Speaker 1: Oh and when you're announcing it, there are certain terms
44:53
Speaker 1: that you are not allowed to use, like they're they're
44:56
Speaker 1: like there's a whole mystique around it. I'm actually k
45:00
Speaker 1: with the Masters being at number at number two, even
45:03
Speaker 1: though it is an annual event.
45:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not a big golf guy, so.
45:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but but the Masters is always fun
45:14
Speaker 1: and it's usually intriguing. It's given us, you know, like
45:17
Speaker 1: Tiger with the ball rolling over, It's given us some
45:20
Speaker 1: great shots. People have melted down under under the pressure. Okay,
45:25
Speaker 1: I will I will accept I would have probably put
45:29
Speaker 1: the US Open over it in terms of like competitive
45:31
Speaker 1: golf tournaments. But yeah, but the Masters is amazing. It
45:34
Speaker 1: always gives us moments number three. Oh, it's it's obvious, Ralph,
45:40
Speaker 1: because I like things that don't come up very often.
45:43
Speaker 1: And I am the biggest fan in the entire world
45:48
Speaker 1: of the World Cup. Nobody is a bigger fan during
45:52
Speaker 1: no there are no soccer fans bigger in the world
45:57
Speaker 1: than me. During the World Cup, during the not out stages,
46:04
Speaker 1: it is fun.
46:06
Speaker 2: It every and I feel like it tricks people into
46:09
Speaker 2: watching like Premier League or MLS every single year and
46:13
Speaker 2: then they eventually fall off, like it it never really country.
46:20
Speaker 1: Yes, when when games can end in a tie and
46:24
Speaker 1: there's no real winner, you're playing for points, it's just
46:27
Speaker 1: a regular season after that, Like, I need my stakes
46:31
Speaker 1: to be high. That's why the the you know, if
46:34
Speaker 1: it's not a knockout game or a game that has
46:38
Speaker 1: consequences on who gets into the knockout stages, then no,
46:42
Speaker 1: it's it's just a soccer match. But when you get
46:45
Speaker 1: into that, y'all. God, I love it, and I'm even
46:48
Speaker 1: more with the women because I'm on some level a
46:52
Speaker 1: nationalist and I love when my country is good. So
46:56
Speaker 1: so I watch the women, love for them to do well,
47:00
Speaker 1: love for them to win. And the men, they've given
47:02
Speaker 1: me nothing to cheer for, nothing to cheer for. So
47:05
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm having to pick, like I'm I'll probably
47:09
Speaker 1: be picking France or or somebody like I'll find some
47:13
Speaker 1: player that I that I like or that I'm attached
47:16
Speaker 1: to and I'm like, okay, I'll root for them because
47:19
Speaker 1: there's no point in rooting for the United States in
47:22
Speaker 1: this they have no chance to win.
47:27
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna give you veto power over this
47:31
Speaker 2: next one. So if you if you feel like it's
47:36
Speaker 2: if you feel like it's cheating, no, I'm not gonna
47:39
Speaker 2: do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'll tell you
47:40
Speaker 2: what it is after. I'm just gonna go with the
47:44
Speaker 2: World Series. World Series to me is there's nothing like
47:49
Speaker 2: playoff baseball. It's not always representative of the regular season,
47:54
Speaker 2: which is why the Dodgers don't have fifteen straight World Series,
47:57
Speaker 2: thank god. And so you know, I just the playoff
48:02
Speaker 2: baseball is so intense every single pitch and you only
48:06
Speaker 2: get about a week and a half of it. And
48:08
Speaker 2: I'm locked in no matter who the teams are.
48:12
Speaker 1: I will accept that only because this last World Series
48:16
Speaker 1: was one of the best that we've ever seen with
48:18
Speaker 1: the Dodgers and the Toronto Blue Jays. It was amazing. Yeah,
48:21
Speaker 1: I mean it was captivating. It took us to seven games.
48:25
Speaker 1: We got actually we actually got eight games because we
48:29
Speaker 1: got two full games in Game three. Uh yeah, in
48:34
Speaker 1: Game it was either yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it
48:36
Speaker 1: was game three here in LA. We got two full games,
48:40
Speaker 1: we got eighteen innings. It was it was incredible. You
48:45
Speaker 1: didn't know what was gonna gonna happen. So I'll allow
48:48
Speaker 1: the World Series just for this argument, because last year
48:52
Speaker 1: was so incredible and we are now prisoners of the moment.
48:59
Speaker 1: Oh the next one for me and now granted this
49:03
Speaker 1: one to me used to be number one, but it
49:06
Speaker 1: is now. This year took a big and last year
49:11
Speaker 1: took a big hit for me. And that's the n
49:13
Speaker 1: C Double A Tournament because we didn't have the last
49:18
Speaker 1: two years like upsets like we typically have, you know,
49:23
Speaker 1: double digit seeds making it to the to the final four.
49:27
Speaker 1: Them days are I don't know. I don't think we're
49:29
Speaker 1: ever gonna have that again. Because all the best players
49:33
Speaker 1: from the mid majors are now put into the portal
49:37
Speaker 1: for like, all the best players from the from the
49:40
Speaker 1: teams here that nearly upset teams, they'll be on power
49:43
Speaker 1: for teams next year. So it just makes it incredibly difficult.
49:47
Speaker 1: So the NC Double A Tournament is falling down. When
49:51
Speaker 1: when you got three of the four to one seeds
49:55
Speaker 1: in in the Finals. You might as well be the
49:57
Speaker 1: women's tournament where you got all four ones or you know,
50:00
Speaker 1: three ones and a two. So yeah, So it's tumbling
50:03
Speaker 1: down the rafters for me, even though we still do.
50:06
Speaker 1: But the reason why it's still dis high at number
50:09
Speaker 1: five because we still get game winning shots, we still
50:13
Speaker 1: get you know, comebacks where like Duke lost and everything else.
50:17
Speaker 1: So we still get those moments. But it's just the
50:21
Speaker 1: upsets that we don't get anymore. So that's why it's
50:23
Speaker 1: down in the middle.
50:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's funny is, well, people don't if they
50:28
Speaker 2: should know this about you, if you're watch enough of
50:30
Speaker 2: this show. This is the only event in which you
50:34
Speaker 2: root for underdogs. That's it. In every other thing that
50:42
Speaker 2: you do, you want to see people fulfill expectations.
50:48
Speaker 1: I guess there's true today. I never thought about that.
50:53
Speaker 2: It's why you like the Olympics. It's why it's why
50:57
Speaker 2: you you don't you know, it's why you're not trying
51:01
Speaker 2: to give too much charity in the college football Playoff
51:05
Speaker 2: to like G five schools and stuff like that. It's
51:08
Speaker 2: why you don't even root for upsets when it comes
51:10
Speaker 2: to the college football Playoff. You want to see best
51:12
Speaker 2: on best. It's it's what appeals to you. In boxing
51:16
Speaker 2: and MMA. The March Madness Tournament is the only time
51:19
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, here.
51:21
Speaker 4: We go Florida Gulf Coast University against my bracket all
51:28
Speaker 4: the time, like I will make a bracket and then
51:31
Speaker 4: I'm like, no.
51:33
Speaker 1: Down with my winner. They're almost losing. Take them out.
51:38
Speaker 1: I'll turn on you quick in the NCAA tournament.
51:40
Speaker 2: Boy, all right, I changed my mind. I'm going back
51:45
Speaker 2: to where I was gonna go last time again. You
51:46
Speaker 2: have veto power any given Saturday in the fall, any Saturday,
51:58
Speaker 2: all of them from August through the middle of December, everything.
52:05
Speaker 1: Even if we're looking looking at Indiana or Nebraska's or
52:09
Speaker 1: USC's preseason schedule.
52:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, because someone plays someone. You always got someone playing someone.
52:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I always. I'll accept that. I'll accept that.
52:24
Speaker 1: I'll accept that because I was because Saturdays are amazing,
52:28
Speaker 1: especially when you when you have upsets, because you can
52:32
Speaker 1: watch them coming. And now it's harder for the because
52:36
Speaker 1: of the new clock rules. When when better teams get
52:39
Speaker 1: down early, Boy, it is hard for them to come
52:41
Speaker 1: come back now because that clock don't stop after every time,
52:44
Speaker 1: after every uh first down until the ball snaps. Were
52:49
Speaker 1: you in trouble?
52:51
Speaker 2: But you would agree it's the best regular season in
52:53
Speaker 2: sports by far, by far, which is watch So many
52:57
Speaker 2: people want to save the regular season of college football,
52:59
Speaker 2: like they don't, they don't want the College Football Playoff
53:02
Speaker 2: take span that. There's a lot of people that would
53:04
Speaker 2: go back to the BCS if they could, Like, the
53:07
Speaker 2: regular season is the event in college football?
53:14
Speaker 1: Like what are you?
53:14
Speaker 2: What are you more excited for, George? The hypothetical matchups
53:19
Speaker 2: in the first week of this year's college football Playoff
53:22
Speaker 2: or ole Miss versus LSU in conference play?
53:27
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh oh Miss l s U.
53:31
Speaker 2: Me too, So that that will go any given Saturday, That's.
53:34
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. That's fair, mate. Next up, number number seven.
53:41
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go because I was gonna go with the CFP,
53:45
Speaker 1: but now that you've taken that one, I'm gonna go.
53:49
Speaker 2: I didn't, I didn't.
53:51
Speaker 1: You can still I'm gonna go. Women's College Softball World Series.
54:01
Speaker 1: That is, by far, Lord have mercy. I watch about
54:08
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of college baseball throughout the entire year, and
54:13
Speaker 1: it's that's including all the all the highlights I watch,
54:16
Speaker 1: right and then I might watch a game if it's
54:19
Speaker 1: in the ninth then and if we catch it during
54:21
Speaker 1: the World Series or you know, super regionals or something,
54:24
Speaker 1: and it's just intriguing. But no, I am watching. I
54:28
Speaker 1: am watching college softball already. I'm watching it already. So
54:33
Speaker 1: when the so when the playoffs come, I am when
54:36
Speaker 1: they get to regional super regionals, I am in. I
54:39
Speaker 1: am one one hundred locked in from from the word go.
54:45
Speaker 1: And it is because the game is so fun. It's
54:48
Speaker 1: so fast, and you kind of know who's gonna win,
54:51
Speaker 1: but you don't at the same at the same time
54:53
Speaker 1: because there are so many upsets because people don't pitch well,
54:57
Speaker 1: people hit home runs and all the it is the
54:59
Speaker 1: game is just so incredible. I love women's softball.
55:05
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good one. I'm gonna go. NFL Draft.
55:10
Speaker 1: Ooh, okay, that is I I get. I gotta give
55:17
Speaker 1: you one Ralph. That is a damn now years the
55:25
Speaker 1: NFL Draft should probably be higher on this list. Like
55:29
Speaker 1: there are no games being played, but everybody's keeping score,
55:34
Speaker 1: but nobody actually knows who wins. You just get to
55:38
Speaker 1: argue about who won, and then you don't find out
55:42
Speaker 1: until like five years later who actually won, and then
55:46
Speaker 1: ten years.
55:46
Speaker 2: And some of the greatest, some of the greatest stuff
55:50
Speaker 2: of all time happens at the NFL draft Melon door
55:55
Speaker 2: last year. Oh that yeah, instaud Her Minnesota Vikings not
56:02
Speaker 2: turning in their card. It's the funniest thing in the world.
56:04
Speaker 2: The Laramie dunsail gas mask, bro the.
56:09
Speaker 1: Booing a dude who turns into be a Hall of
56:11
Speaker 1: Fame player. Oh, it is incredible. It never lets you
56:15
Speaker 1: down ever.
56:17
Speaker 2: Eli Manning holding up a Chargers jersey. Yes, Oh, I
56:24
Speaker 2: love it.
56:25
Speaker 1: It's my favorite. Somebody in and somebody inevitably, uh they
56:31
Speaker 1: draft in the first round, somebody at your position at
56:36
Speaker 1: you know, like the Falcon signing Michael Pennock. I'm sorry
56:39
Speaker 1: signing Kirk Cousins. It drafted Michael Pinnox.
56:43
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean like everybody knows where they were
56:45
Speaker 2: when they saw heard Michael Pennock's name get called. You're
56:48
Speaker 2: like what yeah, And okay, So I I will say
56:54
Speaker 2: that they kind of ruined it for me. They didn't
56:56
Speaker 2: ruin it overall. It's still like one of my absolute
56:59
Speaker 2: favorite things in all the sport words. But I had
57:03
Speaker 2: all the grace in the world from my wife when
57:05
Speaker 2: it was a full Saturday Sunday to take the entire weekend,
57:09
Speaker 2: and now that it starts on a Thursday night, I'm like,
57:13
Speaker 2: we got stuff to do. The kids are into like
57:15
Speaker 2: there's we got family dinner. Like it's just it's a mess.
57:20
Speaker 2: So they kind of ruined it for me. But I
57:22
Speaker 2: still have the same level of interest, and being able
57:24
Speaker 2: to cover high school and college football makes even better
57:26
Speaker 2: because I'm watching people who I've covered for years get
57:28
Speaker 2: their dreams realized. And rock party is mister man, It's
57:32
Speaker 2: too cool.
57:33
Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. I love it. I love it
57:37
Speaker 1: all right for me. Up next it is the NHL Playoffs.
57:45
Speaker 1: The NHL Playoffs.
57:46
Speaker 2: Now, mind you, anything can happen.
57:51
Speaker 1: When we talked about hockey, let's do that hockey, and
57:58
Speaker 1: that is the Oh my gosh, who was that Chance Rapper,
58:04
Speaker 1: Chance the Rapper on Saturday Night Night Live. Hey, let's
58:08
Speaker 1: do that hockey and I loved it, dude. But but anyways,
58:15
Speaker 1: the NHL Playoffs home home ice doesn't matter. People come
58:20
Speaker 1: back from three. It is like, you don't know what
58:24
Speaker 1: is going to happen. And if you have never been
58:27
Speaker 1: to a hockey match, hockey game in person, please go particularly.
58:36
Speaker 1: Oh man, it is incredible. So I didn't know. So
58:39
Speaker 1: when I got in the league, I'd never seen a
58:41
Speaker 1: hockey player prior in my in my life that I knew, right,
58:46
Speaker 1: and and I was like, and I ran into Eric
58:52
Speaker 1: I think it was the Eric Lindross used to play
58:55
Speaker 1: for the Flyers, who.
58:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, oh no no.
58:59
Speaker 1: No, sorry, yeah, Eric Lindraws. And then somebody used to
59:02
Speaker 1: play for the the blook No no, no, no, no, it
59:06
Speaker 1: was Eric Lin Lindraws. I ran into him and I
59:10
Speaker 1: was like, oh, these dudes are big. They look like linebackers.
59:14
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't know that linebackers. And then
59:17
Speaker 1: when you see it in person and how fast they're
59:19
Speaker 1: going on skates, You're like, oh my god, this is
59:23
Speaker 1: These are linebackers running around on skates, going like twenty
59:28
Speaker 1: miles an hour, running into each other. Oh this is dangerous.
59:32
Speaker 1: Oh this is tough. And then the puckets slap so
59:35
Speaker 1: so hard it is. Yeah, it's dangerous. It is. I
59:40
Speaker 1: don't know came up well, obviously they came up with
59:43
Speaker 1: the game and somewhere cold where you were skating on ice,
59:45
Speaker 1: but it's just it's incredible. The playoffs are special in
59:50
Speaker 1: the NHL.
59:53
Speaker 3: I do.
59:53
Speaker 2: I do love that, just because literally anything can happen,
59:56
Speaker 2: Like the regular season gets thrown out the window. You
59:59
Speaker 2: can have an eight to one seed and no one
1:00:01
Speaker 2: even is surprised by it at all. That's really what
1:00:05
Speaker 2: I tuned into is when the playoffs start, let's see
1:00:09
Speaker 2: what I got.
1:00:10
Speaker 1: Two left, one left, one left.
1:00:14
Speaker 2: Oh, then I'm gonna have to go. I'm gonna have
1:00:17
Speaker 2: to I'm gonna have to rep where I'm from. And
1:00:21
Speaker 2: you'll know this is true. You'll know this is true
1:00:24
Speaker 2: because I've been trying to get you to go with
1:00:25
Speaker 2: me for as long as I've known you. Rodeo, the
1:00:33
Speaker 2: the PBR Finals, Las Vegas, Nevada, the the Winns Championship
1:00:39
Speaker 2: of bull Riding. Uh, it's usually in the late summer.
1:00:45
Speaker 1: I'll go if it is as possible, Broh, i will go.
1:00:50
Speaker 1: I dude. I've been to Bill Pickett's Rodeo, which is
1:00:54
Speaker 1: the Black Rodeo God Rodeo and is fun, man, especially
1:00:59
Speaker 1: if there are especially Okay, I'm gonna quit this rodeo.
1:01:05
Speaker 1: It's just like NASCAR to me, when it feels welcoming,
1:01:09
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun when it doesn't. It's scary, okay.
1:01:16
Speaker 2: But I would say the difference between NASCAR and Rodeo
1:01:20
Speaker 2: just in in production, because I've been to my share
1:01:23
Speaker 2: of you know, funny car races, NASCAR and HR all
1:01:26
Speaker 2: that stuff because you know, my dad's a gearhead and
1:01:29
Speaker 2: all that stuff. But I would a motocross too. I'm
1:01:32
Speaker 2: a big motocross fan. But when it comes to Rodeo,
1:01:37
Speaker 2: it's like a they just it's like scrolling on your phone.
1:01:40
Speaker 2: It's like scrolling TikTok, Like it gives you something different
1:01:43
Speaker 2: every few minutes, so you can have you can see
1:01:46
Speaker 2: somebody get kicked in the face by a bull. Five
1:01:48
Speaker 2: seconds later you're watching barrel races. Five seconds later, you're
1:01:51
Speaker 2: watching Indian relay races. Like they're just giving you all
1:01:55
Speaker 2: the bucking broncos or whatever it is. Yeah, you know,
1:01:58
Speaker 2: you know, it gives you all these different events. But
1:02:00
Speaker 2: I go to my hometown every year, every single year.
1:02:04
Speaker 2: I'm doing it again this year, going back to Wyoming
1:02:08
Speaker 2: second weekend of July for the Rodeo that takes place
1:02:11
Speaker 2: in my hometown. I don't pay attention to Rodeo any
1:02:14
Speaker 2: other time of year outside of like the PDR Finals,
1:02:18
Speaker 2: but I always make it a point to go back
1:02:21
Speaker 2: home to Wyoming and do Rodeo in person.
1:02:24
Speaker 1: See, I love it. I love it. But I do
1:02:28
Speaker 1: have an honorable mention though. Okay, it is the World
1:02:35
Speaker 1: Championships for oh my gosh, oh my honorable mention the
1:02:45
Speaker 1: World Championships for Monster Jam. We have been twice. Yes, bro,
1:02:55
Speaker 1: it is so much fun. The kids love it and
1:02:59
Speaker 1: like and like I said, just like with Nascar and
1:03:02
Speaker 1: with Rodeo when it is whelping, welcoming, it is fun.
1:03:09
Speaker 1: And I've been this.
1:03:10
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1:03:13
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1:03:24
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1:03:31
Speaker 3: I know.
1:03:34
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1:03:40
Speaker 2: Okay and you yeah with the arms out in front
1:03:42
Speaker 2: and the yeah and do you know why why? Because
1:03:46
Speaker 2: your kids like it?
1:03:49
Speaker 1: My kids they like great Grave Digger, Sparkle Smash and
1:03:53
Speaker 1: son of a Digger. But it's it feels weird to
1:03:56
Speaker 1: say son of a digger. It's just in in like
1:04:00
Speaker 1: in like a truck space. It just feels weird.
1:04:03
Speaker 2: I went with my get this, I went with my
1:04:05
Speaker 2: dad to the thirtieth anniversary of Gravedigger celebration in Las Vegas,
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Speaker 2: and they took every single Gravedigger truck that they have
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Speaker 2: that like still exists. Yeah, and at the very end
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Speaker 2: of the show, they ran them all into each other,
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Speaker 2: so they all went to different corners. There was like
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Speaker 2: six of them that all hit ramps, went up in
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Speaker 2: the air and crashed into each other. And the guy
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Speaker 2: Dennis Anderson's son who drives Son of a Digger like
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Speaker 2: broke an arm and a leg in celebration of his
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Speaker 2: dad on the final trick of the of the Night Right.
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Speaker 2: It was insane. But how many more would we have
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Speaker 2: had to go on this list before we got to
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Speaker 2: the super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: A long time? Like the lead up to the super
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Speaker 1: Bowl is better than the super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: I would say NFL Wildcard Round, Yes, it would be.
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Speaker 2: I do not The super Bowl is not that enjoyable
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Speaker 2: for me because you usually it's like you have people.
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Speaker 1: Over it rarely because the game it's one game, where
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Speaker 1: like all of these other things are multiple games.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, four hours plus year. I'm on the East Coast now,
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Speaker 2: so like I got no day left when it ends. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I don't love the super Bowl. What about what about
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Speaker 2: the Natty? Natty's cool, but like again, like the super.
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Speaker 1: Bowl, it's it's it's it's hit or miss. Like if
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Speaker 1: you get a great game, it's great, but the majority
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Speaker 1: of time you don't, So it doesn't matter. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who's playing, if Alabama's playing. I mean
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Speaker 1: this that this last one with Miami and in the
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Speaker 1: Indiana was fairly entertaining, but you get blowouts all the time,
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Speaker 1: so it's just not it's it's not it's unreliable.
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Speaker 2: I have a theory that boxing would be like football
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Speaker 2: like where where like because teams are rarely full strength
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Speaker 2: at the end of the year. Yeah, I mean you
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Speaker 2: know this better than anyone. Uh that like, if you
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Speaker 2: actually had a league, like a boxing league, that you
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Speaker 2: would get the worst product of all time getting somebody
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Speaker 2: in there, like eighth fight in ten weeks.
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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly one one. Uh but you guys, that is
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Speaker 1: the top ten sporting events. Make sure that you leave
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Speaker 1: friend peace, I'll get you guys.
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Speaker 2: Let