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Episode 333- The Acts of the Apostles- Part 2 · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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All right. Welcome back to the boroughs of Bria
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2 .0. All right. So this week, um, we do not
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have Kristen Bingaman, but we do have at the
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beginning, Ms. Shelly Sangry. Am I saying that
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right? Shelly Sangry? Yeah. or sangria they say
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it one way can i say sangria son how about son
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gray oh yes very uh i don't even know what word
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i want to use elegant there we go it says that
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it comes from the french sans regret so without
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regret or a good Italian wine maybe sangria that's
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right You just heard Mr. Danny Morton. Adrienne
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is not in the screen, but she will be joining
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us here in just a little bit. We've also got
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Big Daddy Carter. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We have
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Eric and Karen OJ. Hey, guys. How are you all?
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Hi. Welcome. Howdy. Yeah. Karen. Yep. From Texas.
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And then Karen Rogers. Hey, Karen. Hello. Let's
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act like we haven't been talking for the last
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hour and 15 minutes I know My wife washes my
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clothes so well now we record two episodes in
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a row because we can't get together every single
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week And that's the way life is we do two hours
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in a row But we don't like to have two hour programs
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like Don and Mike Sullivan So or two and a half
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hours however long, you know, they can go on
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forever. Love you guys could you do a thirty
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steve mogg was five and a half six hour long
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session actually it's pretty interesting though
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steve he's he's got a he's got a cool kenyan
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accent and very he's very uh charismatic but
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he's not he's not charismatic but you know what
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i mean he has a lot of charisma anyway so we're
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back after last week we you guys saw that we
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We just talked about the Book of Acts. We talked
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about many things that we're going to find in
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the Book of Acts. And I just wanted to kick off
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with you, Shelley, because you didn't get really
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a whole lot of time to talk. You kind of popped
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in at the end there. Do you have any things without
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knowing what we talked about in that last one?
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How about you share some insights for things
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that you think about in regard to the Book of
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Acts? You know, I just recently really started.
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getting into the book of Acts. It was something
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that for years I never focused on enough. And
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I think it's because there's so much happening
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in the book of Acts. And it was hard for me to
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keep things straight. But now as I've been studying
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it, it's amazing just to read how you can see
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so many of the signs that Jesus talked about
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in the Olivet Discourse actually coming to pass
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and being written about. in the book of Acts
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and you know the more that I compare the two
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of them there's just the more amazing God is
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to me when when you just see all of these uh
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fulfillments happening and being recorded I just
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I love the book of Acts now I'm certainly no
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expert on it but I just love reading about this
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now Yeah. Well, same here. I, that's one of my
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favorite books. Hebrews is my favorite book,
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like of the whole Bible. I love that book, but
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axis is one of the top five for me for sure.
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Yeah. But book of John book of John book of John.
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Yeah. It's w who was it? David Pawson used to
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say, when everybody asked me what's my favorite
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book of the Bible, I would say the one I just
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read and you know, it's always whichever one
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he's in. So, all right. So Karen O'Shea, would
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you be willing to open us up in prayer before
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we get into the scriptures? Yes, let's go to
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Jesus. Father, I thank you so much, Lord, that
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you love us, that you have called us. Father,
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you've made a way for us to know you. You've
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come to us. You have raised us from the dead
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into a newness of life. Father, from the darkness
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of sin into the beautiful light. of righteousness
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and right dwelling with you, Father. We're so
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very grateful. And Lord, my precious brothers
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and sisters here, as we spend the next few minutes
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together from all over the country, Lord, would
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you magnify yourself? Would you bring honor and
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glory to yourself? We so desire to know you,
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to walk with you, to grow in Christ, to bear
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fruit and more fruit. We so desire that intimate
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fellowship with you We so desire, Lord, to be
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used by you to impact and affect the people around
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us, the ones close to us, the ones we don't know
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yet, the ones we see regularly, the ones that
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we're only going to see one time. Father, would
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you do what only you can do in the hearts of
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man and save those around us and give us these
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opportunities continually to mentor, to disciple,
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to show the love of Jesus Christ to the blind,
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to the lame? those who are dead spiritually father
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help us to be your light and would you save babies
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today all over the world would you save these
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precious babies in the womb and would you call
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mamas and daddies all over the world out of darkness
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into your light today father we just praise you
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we worship you we love you and it is in the beautiful
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name of our friend Jesus that we pray amen Amen.
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Amen. What a friend we have in Jesus. I love
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that song. Precious friend. Yes. Beautiful prayer.
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Absolutely. Thank you, Karen. Oh, my pleasure.
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Thank you. All right. So Shelly, without further
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ado, I'm going to put this up on my screen. I
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want to see if you can actually read it because
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I didn't test you the last time that you were
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here. So can you see what's on the screen? I
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can if I squint very hard just because I don't
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have good vision, but I can't see it. How about
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this? Can you do it if you're doing this right
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here? If I look at my blindfolds, I can't see
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you. Well, we're going to be in the Book of Acts,
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guys. If you can't see, please grab your Bibles
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or get your trusty phones or whatever you need.
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If you can see it on the screen, great. I hope
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you guys can. What translation am I using, Rick?
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I've got the NASB up right now, but you... Cool.
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That's what I have, so... Is everybody okay with
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that? I did the CSB and I read it a little bit
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and I don't like it. I'm sorry, OJs. Okay. It
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took out the earnest. It took out stuff. I was
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like, come on. Don't take that out. OJs, y 'all
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are people after Mom and Dad. Yeah. Big Daddy
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uses the CSB. Big Daddy, we're live there. We're
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new American standard. Then we're ESB years.
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Then we're, you know, CSB years. Who knows? Well,
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if you don't use the King James version, then
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you may tell you something. All right. Yeah.
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Cause the new, the King James, uh, interprets
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the Greek, I think. The one that doesn't have
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all my notes in it. I don't care what the Greek
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said. This one dripped out of heaven and King
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James English. This is going to be a discussion
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for another night, guys. It is. Just so you know,
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I live in the place where that's a big deal.
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Are we acting like burros now? Yes, this is the
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burros. Welcome. Yeah, very, very, yeah. Speculate
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on that, sucker. All right, so. Eric O'Shea,
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would you be willing to read the first seven
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verses of this chapter, Acts chapter one? Yeah,
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let's go. The first account I composed, Theophilus,
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about all that Jesus began to do and teach until
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the day when he was taken up to heaven after
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he had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the
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apostles whom he had chosen. To these he also
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presented himself alive. after his suffering,
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by many convincing proofs, appearing to them
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over a period of forty days, and speaking of
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things concerning the kingdom of God. Gathering
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them together, he commanded them not to leave
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Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had
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promised, which he said, You heard of from me,
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For John baptized with water, but you will be
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baptized with the Holy Spirit, not many days
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from now. So when they had come together, they
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were asking him, saying, Lord, is it at this
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time you are restoring the kingdom of Israel?
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He said to them, It is not for you to know times
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or epochs which the Father has fixed by his own
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authority, but you will receive power when the
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Holy Spirit has come upon you, and ye shall be
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be witnesses both in Jerusalem and all Judea
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and Samaria and even to the remotest parts of
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the earth Thank you, Eric. And so Karen Rogers
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right out of the gate This is doing exactly what
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you said the book of Acts was gonna do because
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what does he tell him? I want you to wait Because
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of what the father promised. That's right. He's
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coming right out of the gate Theophilus I'm gonna
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tell you about all of the things Jesus did and
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what he taught and told to the Apostles whom
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he had chosen and that He did all of this and
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now he's telling them wait right now to not leave
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Jerusalem Why because that's where the spirits
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coming the spirits coming to Jerusalem, which
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is in the Great Commission That's what he says
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at the end of the gospel stay in Jerusalem, right?
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Then go to Judea and Samaria in the outermost
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parts of the earth. So that that lines up well
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So and he tells you right out of the gate Go
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ahead. There's many verses there to back that
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up, that he promised it is the promise of the
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Father, which you can find in the Old Testament,
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and Jesus himself promised it. He says in Luke
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24, 49, Behold, I send the promise of my Father
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upon you, but tarry in the city of Jerusalem
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until you are endued with power from on high.
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The power is from the Holy Spirit, and that's
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in Ephesians. And then the promise in the Old
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Testament was Joel 2, 28, That he pour out his
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spirit on all flesh and it's also in Ezekiel
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30 It's an Ezekiel 36 26 and 27 He promises the
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spirit. So the Old Testament promises the spirit
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and Jesus over and over in the book of John He
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promises that he's gonna send the spirit to help
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and to teach and the spirit is the power the
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presence of God There's a lot of verses. I could
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go through them, but I don't know if you want
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me to I mean, hammer down. That's what we're
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doing is cross biblical reference. And then guys,
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if anybody wants to ask questions or they have
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anything else they want to bring up in regard
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to these first seven verses, please do. I actually,
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as I was reading through this regarding them
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being commanded not to leave Jerusalem, it actually
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made me think of Luke 21 20. where Jesus told
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them that they should leave Jerusalem when they
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see the army surrounding it. And it just made
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me compare the fact that they were told to not
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to leave Jerusalem here because they were waiting
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for the Holy Spirit. And then what happened in
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the destruction of Jerusalem when they were told
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to leave, what happened? The presence of God
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that it departed the temple. And to me, that
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just reminded me of the Holy Spirit then departing.
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But now in Acts, they're being told to wait for
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the Holy Spirit. So just something that I thought
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about I got a question. It's interesting good.
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I got a question that so obviously this is after
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The crucifixion of Christ is burial in his resurrection
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At what point are we saying the old covenant
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is starting to wait wait wait wait wax away When
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is the new covenant starting? Is it starting
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now? Now as in the book of Acts. Yeah, I'm just
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just This is a this is a big daddy type question
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Hey, I think that when he had when he asked we
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were they asked when you restore the kingdom
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They're asking about the New Covenant. So I think
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it has it started, right? Is it is it is it is
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this a time whenever it's starting? Covenant
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covenant. Have you ever looked at John chapter
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20 or verse 22? That's where Jesus when he had
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said this he breathed on them and said to them
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received the Holy Spirit Yeah, that's not the
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coming on an axe. That's not it's before They're
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getting life guys Have you ever considered maybe
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the disciples for three and a half years hadn't
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got life yet? Yeah, Jesus took care of everything
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they did there because it also says in 1st Corinthians
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15 if you If Christ is not raised from the dead,
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then your faith is futile. And in John, several
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places, it says they didn't know yet about the
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resurrection. So I think this is when they got
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life. Then 10 days later, they were placed in
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Jerusalem. Remember I said earlier about Adam
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in the garden? They're already in Jerusalem though,
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Danny. Yeah. No, no, I'm saying Jerusalem is
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the new garden. It's where the power is going
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to come on them. Remember, he tells Peter and
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John three times, he says, tend my sheep. Well,
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he told Adam, tend and work my garden. So I'm
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saying that was the first covenant. The second
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covenant, he just asked is starting. They've
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got life breathed into them. They're in Jerusalem
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and the power is going to come in 10 days. And
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then Peter does Pentecost. The reason I ask this
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is because for nearly 30 years, up until AD 70,
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sacrifices were still being made. Is this the
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initiation of the new covenant by through the
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empowering of the Holy Spirit when Jesus is telling
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them, wait here, because you're going to be filled
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with a new power that you've never had before.
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I'm just asking, Rick Welch, would this be considered
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part of the inauguration of the new covenant
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being in birth? Is it a little bit before that?
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Think it's during the Last Supper is whenever
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he's initiating the new covenant because that's
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true the bread and he hands the wine and he tells
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him You know, this is my body. This is the blood
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of my covenant So he's talking about this new
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covenant that he's giving to him and that's when
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they initiate it Yeah, but that's prior to his
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crucifixion, but that's all within the same period
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because he has within 24 hours. Yeah Yeah, I'm
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this is all branded. This is why Yes, this is
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within 24 to 48 hours since then Yeah, I mean
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some like I think big daddy and I we talked about
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this once before we often ask What happened at
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the baptism of Christ? Because it's such a unique
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moment. This is my beloved son and whom I'm well
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pleased, you know, and then later at the transfiguration
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This is my beloved son here him. There's all
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kinds of things that are happening Throughout
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this three and a half year ministry, right? when
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Jesus goes and is tempted by the devil in the
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wilderness. And then he comes back and he's at
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Nazareth and he says, Hey, today, these things,
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the year of the Lord's favor is fulfilled in
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your hearing. That's a moment, right? So the
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Messiah has come. He's revealed himself to the
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woman in Samaria, the well, like he's talking
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about it, but the new covenant itself, we know
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he's bringing it, but I think he initiates it
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during right, you know, on the night before the
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Passover, whenever he gives them. Yeah, because
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it says there in verse 1 that, you know, Luke's
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saying, hey, Theophilus says, I'm going to tell
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you all about, I just told you about all the
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things, you know, Jesus did and began to teach
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until the day he was taken up. After he had given
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instruction through the Holy Spirit to the apostles,
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he had chosen. So there is this transition that's
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happening. Obviously, there's a transition from
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the cross His death, burial and resurrection,
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and now he's hanging out with him a few more
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days and he's about to be taken up into heaven.
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So this is, I'm just thinking out loud here from
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the time, like you said, from the supper, the
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last supper there, to now, this is really whenever
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it's starting to become real to these men that
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are about to watch him go up. Yes, I would agree.
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Karen, did you have a Karen Rogers? Did you have
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more verses that were ready? I do. But there
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was another thing that I thought of, and I don't
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know if this means anything, but Solomon was
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given the spirit of wisdom and then he built
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the physical temple and the apostles were given
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the Holy Spirit and they sent out the temp. We
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became the temple, the church, the new temple.
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It's it's I don't know if there's anything there,
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but yeah. It's a thought of a foreshadowing from
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the physical to the spiritual. Anyway, note that
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the verses I wanted to give that show that the
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promise of the Father and also Jesus said that
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I spoke of, he spoke of it in John, he spoke
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of it in Luke, how they would get the Holy Spirit
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and they'd have power. And it's better that he
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would go, that they would get the spirit. So
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Jesus promised it, but it goes back to the promise
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being of the Father because Ezekiel 36 verses
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26 says, I will give you a new heart and put
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a new spirit within you. I will take the heart
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of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart
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of flesh. I will put my spirit within you and
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cause you to walk in my statutes and you will
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keep my judgments and do them while we do that
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through Christ. And then the other one that's
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an Ezekiel is I will put my spirit in you and
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you shall live. And that's an Ezekiel 37, 14.
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And then the Joel verse is Peter says this is
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what Joel was talking about when we get the spirit.
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And that is Joel, I think 228. Let me see if
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I have that somewhere here. Uh, he does. Peter
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talks about it. Yeah. He talks about it next
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chapter two. That's right. Yeah. Cause that's
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what Joe Oh, here it is. It says that I will
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pour out my spirit on all flesh. Okay. And then
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you have the, the promises that Jesus said, we've
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got that in Luke 24, 49, which I read. Then you
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have John 14, 16. He says, I will pray the father
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and he will give you another helper that he may
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abide with you forever The spirit of truth whom
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the world cannot receive because it neither sees
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him nor knows him But you know him for he dwells
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with you and will be in you. I will not leave
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those orphans I will come to you maybe coming
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as the Holy Spirit there And then the other thing
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in 15 in John 15 He says um Which one was 15?
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I think it was 26 He says, but when the helper
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comes whom I shall send to you from the father,
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the spirit of truth who proceeds from the father,
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he will testify of me and you will be bear witness
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because you have been with me. So he's the spirit
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comes from the father and Jesus sends him after
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he's glorified. And there's also some really
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interesting verses about the spirit being like
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the river of living water. Whereas John chapter
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7 and this also goes with Revelation. John chapter
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7 verse 38 he says, he who believes in me as
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the scripture has said out of his heart will
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flow rivers of living water but this he spoke
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concerning the spirit whom those believing in
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him would receive for the Holy Spirit was not
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yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified.
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So he's calling the spirit rivers of living water
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And when you go to Revelation, you're reading
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the last chapter of the Bible, and it says, And
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He showed me a pure river of water of life, clear
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as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God
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and the Lamb. And I think the river is flowing
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from God. I think it's the Holy Spirit, and He's
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the living water that we have, that we never
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thirst. And then Revelation 21, verse three says
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behold the tabernacle of God is with men and
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he will dwell with them and they shall be his
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people God himself will be with them and be their
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God that's when God comes down as the Holy Spirit
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it's not us going up so really the end of Revelation
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is showing that God with us is in the Holy Spirit
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at least that's the way I see it The other thing
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too about the power when it says, you shall receive
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so much right in those first seven verses, verse
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eight, but when you shall receive power, when
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the Holy Spirit has come upon you. So that power
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is also spoken of in Ephesians three, 16. Is
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it three, 16? Let me go there. Ephesians three.
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So it's the presence of God. It's the power.
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And there's so much in those first few verses.
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About the promise. Okay. Let me go to Ephesians
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3 316 it says He would that he would grant you
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according to the riches of his glory to be strengthened
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with might through his spirit in the inner man
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That Christ may dwell in your heart through faith.
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So there's the strength of the Holy Spirit in
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our inner man it's it's really the power and
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the presence is in the spirit and I don't think
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we Grab a hold of that enough and really spend
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time listening to the Holy Spirit That's what
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I work on in my life is just spending quiet time
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not asking God but just listening and I don't
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always hear something it's usually wait wait
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wait wait wait, so I keep waiting because the
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Bible does say wait on God don't run before him
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and I think if we do we miss What he has for
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us what he's actually trying to do through us.
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We we're not doing it. He's doing it through
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us It's interesting that he tells you to wait
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and that's exactly what Jesus tells the disciples
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to do. Yeah, wait wait Yeah, because our timing
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is not God's timing and when it's time he will
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tell us But we get impatient We get very impatient.
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I mean look at the Old Testament. They waited
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40 years I mean it was not uncommon to wait a
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long time. Look at them having I having Isaac
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you know all the things they were they had to
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wait were in such a microwave society. I don't
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think we know how to sit still and listen for
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God and I think I have to set a buzzer for five
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minutes because my mind starts wandering so it
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really does take practice just to sit and try
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to get God's presence to her to speak to you.
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You know and stop with the busy busy busy and
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prayers going out. It's it's definitely takes
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work. Yeah Yeah Does anybody else have anything
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they'd like to say about these first seven verses
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before we move on? our first eight verses before
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we go on to verse 9 through 11 because 9 through
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11 will take the rest of this Well, very quickly
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then in excuse me verse 2 apostles he had chosen
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and maybe at some point in time we can address
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the fact that people today call themselves, entitle
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themselves as apostles. But we see here one of
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those requisites is that Christ chose them, the
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Holy Spirit chose them. And then of course, we're
25:25
going to get into the election or the lot of
25:29
Matthias or Mathias taking the place of that.
25:32
and what their requirements were for apostleship.
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So just be aware of what an apostle actually
25:43
is, therefore what it is not. Very good. There's
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Adrian. Adrian's back in the screen. Hello, Adrian.
25:51
All right. So, no, don't worry about it. It's
25:53
great. So here we go. I'm going to fire it off.
25:57
Let's see. So Shelly, you said you're using the
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NASB. Yes. Do you have it in front of you? Yep,
26:05
would you read verses 9 through 11? Sure and
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after he had said these things he was lifted
26:12
up while they were looking on and a cloud received
26:15
him out of their sight and As they were gazing
26:18
intently into the sky while he was going behold
26:21
two men in white clothing stood beside them They
26:25
also said men of Galilee. Why do you stand looking
26:27
into the sky? This Jesus who has been taken up
26:30
from you into heaven? will come in just the same
26:33
way as you have watched him go into heaven. All
26:38
right. So obviously these verses come up a lot
26:43
in our circles. A lot of people who argue against
26:48
a fulfilled eschatology would be like, see, this
26:51
hasn't happened. But before we get into that,
26:53
I want to ask you guys a couple of questions
26:55
too. After he said these things, he was lifted
26:59
up while they were looking on and a cloud received
27:02
him out of their sight. Now cloud is that like,
27:08
does that word, you know, hit you in the head
27:11
at all about clouds when it comes to the son
27:16
of man, when it comes to the way that cloud imagery
27:19
is used in the Old Testament, we think of cumulonimbus
27:23
clouds, we think of serious clouds or whatever.
27:26
But this cloud that receives him out of their
27:28
sight, do you think this is a unique kind of
27:31
cloud? Or is it a UFO spaceship? Or is it a unique
27:35
kind of cloud? Well, I think we have to consider
27:40
how cloud is used elsewhere. It's the glory of
27:45
God. It's the judgment of God. It's the power
27:47
of God. It reflects the divinity of God. In Psalm
27:51
104, verse three, Matthew 24, 30, Isaiah 19,
27:55
one. Exodus 13, 21 -22, Exodus 40, 34 -35, 1
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Kings 8, verses 10 -11, all throughout scripture
28:06
we see that a cloud is referencing the glory
28:09
of God, the judgment, the power, and the divinity.
28:13
And so if Jesus, if a cloud is coming to receive
28:16
Him, did they see a... Cumulus cloud come down
28:24
and cover him up and lift him up. That would
28:26
be a miracle That would be a supernatural event
28:29
if the cloud could lift anything and take it
28:33
out of sight so is is that an actual realistic
28:37
cloud or is that part of or a manifestation of
28:44
the glory of God coming to put Jesus at the right
28:49
hand of God the Father as we see in Ephesians
28:51
so that's a thought regarding cloud also wasn't
28:56
the priest in and out of the temple when they
28:59
did the day of atonement it was the incense and
29:03
when he came out thumbs up so when he's taken
29:06
up isn't that the priest you know Hebrews talks
29:09
about he is the priest going up to the literal
29:13
spiritual realm And so is that maybe the incense
29:17
of the priest coming in and out? They would be
29:19
familiar with that, with the high priest doing
29:23
that, because the incense would go up, he would
29:25
come out the doors, go back in, come out again.
29:30
That's good. I think we have to keep in mind,
29:32
Rick, that however, whatever that is, that is
29:37
how they were going to see him. So I think going
29:40
up and then him coming back. We have to keep
29:47
in mind the whole structure of that. It's an
29:50
ascension up, and then you're going to see him
29:55
the same way. So we have to connect those dots
29:59
and figure out what that is. I was just going
30:06
to say, I think the clouds represent the presence
30:08
of God. Exodus 13 -21 talks about that the Lord
30:14
went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud and then
30:17
led them before and then skipping over to Exodus
30:20
40 34 and 35 34 and 35 the cloud covered the
30:25
tent of meetings and the glory of the lord filled
30:28
the tabernacle moses was unable to enter the
30:32
tent because the cloud rested upon it and the
30:35
glory of the lord filled the tabernacle so i
30:38
think what we're seeing here in in typology if
30:42
you want to talk it is that Jesus is actually
30:45
being received back by the Father from His mission.
30:49
So that's what this whole cloud is about. Then
30:52
we know that He comes back in a cloud of judgment,
30:54
which is another representation of clouds. I
30:58
think here is we see the Father receiving the
31:00
Son back into His presence through His cloud
31:05
presence of who God is Himself. Have any of you
31:10
ever heard the argument? I know Sam Frost wrote
31:12
this in his book Daniel interrupted that this
31:15
ascension that this going up in the cloud matches
31:19
Daniel with the scripture where he says that
31:23
He came to the ancient of days Have you ever
31:27
read have you ever heard of this before? Hmm
31:33
Have you ever heard this before this argument?
31:35
No, so what is the argument? The argument is
31:38
that this cloud coming Not club coming but cloud
31:43
ascension where he ascends to the cloud Tell
31:47
me guys where it is Maybe chat GBT it and tell
31:50
me what verse it is in Daniel where it says he
31:52
came to the ancient of days Daniel chapter 8
31:56
or 10 We got a search for it Yeah, somebody help
32:03
me tell me where that's just use that verse in
32:05
one of my videos I think it's is it Daniel 8
32:09
or is it Daniel 12? He says He came to the ancient
32:20
of days that there's a question We've I've heard
32:22
Mike Sullivan say that that word in the septuagint
32:25
means something different, but I want to look
32:27
it up 713 Thank you Daniel 7 Daniel 7 13 that
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should have rang a bell for me. I've heard that
32:36
a million times I'm gonna share my screen Real
32:39
quick so that you guys can see you and I'm seeing
32:41
here Are you looking for the word cloud? Is that
32:45
what you're looking for? No, well, yeah kind
32:47
of it's it's not really about a cloud But it's
32:49
what he says here. So it says I kept verse 9.
32:54
I'm gonna read 9 through 11 I kept looking until
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Thrones were set up and the ancient of days took
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his seat His garment was white as snow and the
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hair of his head like pure wool His throne was
33:07
ablaze with flames its wheels were a burning
33:09
fire River of fire was flowing and coming out
33:12
from before him thousands upon thousands were
33:15
serving him and Myriads upon myriads were standing
33:17
before him the court convened and the books were
33:20
opened Then now see it's before that isn't it?
33:27
Here it is well verse 13. I kept looking in the
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night visions and behold with the clouds of heaven
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one like a son of man was coming and he came
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up to the ancient of days yeah do you see that
33:41
yeah okay so someone would argue and i don't
33:45
can i even how do i get to the ll lxx because
33:49
there was a question bible hub yeah bible hub
33:53
okay yeah and then i can do it what are you looking
33:56
for i do it all the time i just want to know
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what the LXX says for the Daniel 713, which is
34:08
the Septuagint. I call it the LXX. Daniel 713?
34:11
Daniel 713. Okay, hold on. It takes a little
34:16
bit to get there. Daniel 7, LXX, then APB. Next
34:22
time I know to just have my Septuagint here with
34:25
me, because I have one. Oh, you do? Okay, 13.
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I do, yeah. Okay, what did you want to read 13?
34:33
Okay. Well, this is the Greek isn't always exact
34:36
because sometimes I put the Greek into Google
34:39
Translate and the and the Greek is actually different
34:41
than how they actually translate it in dot Bible
34:43
hub But this says I viewed in a vision of the
34:46
night and behold with the clouds of the heaven
34:49
and one as son of man was coming is that word
34:54
ends and Unto the old one of days he came and
34:58
before him. He was brought I'm wondering if the
35:02
word clouds is the same So so right now what's
35:07
your what's again kind of get us back on track
35:09
here. What's what's your point? You're making
35:11
my point here is that There are some who argue
35:16
that the ascension is a fulfillment of Daniel
35:19
713 That when it says that he came to the ancient
35:25
of days. Mm -hmm that That's that's when Christ
35:30
receives full authority all power and authority
35:34
have been given unto me and he sits at the right
35:36
hand of the father and he is the king before
35:40
first Corinthians 15 when he hands the kingdom
35:42
back to the father and is the all in all this
35:44
is the moment when he goes up to the ancient
35:47
of days and so I'm like I am my screen here I've
35:50
got this up to agent to I've held in the night
35:52
vision. One coming with the clouds of heaven
35:55
as the son of man. And he came on to the ancient
35:58
of days and was brought near him. And he was
36:00
given the dominion and the honor and the kingdom
36:02
and all nations, tribes and languages. See. So
36:04
like that seems to be fitting the same kind of
36:07
timeframe, but I've heard Michael and Dawn say,
36:10
Nope. I've heard Zach Davis and Travis drum teach.
36:13
Like it can't be the Ascension, um, because of
36:16
what's, what's attached to it. I'm talking 28
36:22
would. Matthew 28 would say a little bit different
36:26
in the fulfillment part of it, because in Matthew
36:29
28, Jesus tells the disciples that I have authority,
36:33
all power and authority has been invested unto
36:34
me. That's if you believe that Matthew 28 in
36:38
its fullness, as we currently have it is actually
36:41
the part of the original text. And some people
36:44
say that the ending of Matthew 28, the original
36:48
text doesn't have those words. So the timing
36:51
of the chronology, Mark 16, that's not Matthew,
36:55
that's Mark 16. What are the arguments that it's
36:59
not the same thing? What are the arguments? Yeah,
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you said that there were some that said that
37:08
that that Daniel that passage there at Daniel
37:11
seven does not represent the possible ascension.
37:16
Yes, their argument against it. So hold on. Give
37:20
me one second, because I want to I did have this
37:23
down here. So let's see. And mine's just from
37:31
curiosity for sure. Well, it's for me too. I
37:34
mean, that's why I'm asking the question. I haven't
37:40
read the whole thing in context. I have heard
37:43
it mentioned that it was possibly talking about
37:46
the Ascension. And then I have also heard just
37:49
the basic argument that no, it couldn't have
37:51
possibly been that. But I never heard any reason
37:54
behind it. It was just kind of in passing in
37:58
a conversation. So, and I couldn't understand
38:01
that either. It's not Mark, Rick, it's Matthew.
38:06
Matthew 28. 16 at the end, right? No, Matthew
38:09
28, 18. All right. They say it's not in the original.
38:14
The ending of... It makes sense it would be the
38:16
same. All right, so here's what it says. This
38:22
is from Michael Sullivan, okay? And this also
38:28
Don Preston as well. So it says here Psalm 110
38:33
one describes what happens at the Ascension.
38:37
Psalm 110 verse one. So we're dealing with the
38:42
Ascension here in Acts. So this is a good, we
38:44
can study this. Psalm 110 one says what? Can
38:48
anybody get to it quickly? I can get to it. I
38:54
have it if you need me to. Okay. go ahead do
38:58
they think it's the judgment and not the ascension
39:01
yes there's a there's an alternative here it
39:04
says many commentators think it's refers instead
39:07
to christ invisible or judgment oriented 70 ad
39:12
okay coming with he's coming down he's not going
39:15
up Right. So the Septuagint says is like basically
39:19
coming from the ancient of days. Whereas in our
39:21
English versions, it says going to the ancient
39:23
of days. Right. It's very interesting. So he
39:27
says the prepositions are interchangeable in
39:30
it's hard to know. But yeah. Christ goes to the
39:34
Father's right hand sits into begins raining
39:36
that's Daniel 7 13 describes something Subsequent
39:39
the enthroned son of man comes with the clouds
39:41
in judgment. He therefore reads Matthew 26 64
39:45
has combining two texts and two stages sitting
39:47
at the right hand of power Which is ascension
39:51
coming on the clouds. He thinks the direction
39:53
of Daniel 7 is judicial rather than ascensional
39:56
Yeah, that's right. So the idea here is the ascension
40:01
isn't the judgment This isn't the cloud coming
40:04
that we know of that. Jesus will talk about with
40:06
Caiaphas He's going to the ancient of days. It
40:09
was Sam Frost and Daniel interrupted. I read
40:11
that Zach Davis also did one I can't find it.
40:14
He did a brilliant job of explaining why that
40:17
can't be true At the ascension that it cannot
40:21
be the fulfillment of daniel 7 13 So anyway,
40:24
that was just something that popped up in my
40:26
head And um, maybe i'll put a little bit more
40:28
work into it and be ready for our next episode,
40:31
uh, but let's move on with those same verses
40:34
that we were just in and Let's see here so Oh,
40:42
can I ask a question? I'm sure ask a question.
40:44
You might get to it is You and I discussed and
40:47
I asked a question What if the possibility of
40:53
that whole event actually meant that Christ never
40:57
really went into the sky? Yeah, like so meaning?
41:05
That meaning that in like manner that happened
41:08
in the Old Testament that Jesus being at the
41:12
Mount of Olives went further up the mountain
41:16
and went into the clouds of the mountain. Like
41:20
it happened with Moses and it also happened with
41:23
the disciples at the Mount of Transfiguration
41:28
Yeah, I think we were talking about the only
41:31
reason that I would say it's not that is because
41:33
of what it says in verse 11 When those two when
41:37
those two men in white clothing and we haven't
41:40
even talked about them If they're angels or who
41:43
they are what they represent You're looking up
41:46
you're looking up the mountain Well, he says
41:48
this Jesus who has been taken up from you into
41:53
heaven It's like he's being you see what I mean.
41:57
It's not like he's walking Into the cloud. I
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mean I get what you're saying Rick I'm just saying
42:02
but it seems to be and I I don't know what the
42:05
original language says here But who has been
42:08
taken up from you into heaven certainly seems
42:11
like I don't know about you But I think about
42:14
it much like I do when I was a kid, which is
42:17
You know, he's like, he's floating up into the
42:19
sky, man. That's what we have been told from
42:23
all of our childhoods. Oh, I know. But that's
42:25
kind of like the way I see it. We've been given
42:27
almost a Disney production of the events that
42:31
happen. But everything usually happens in the
42:34
same order that we read. Everybody talks about
42:37
scripture, interpret scripture. Well, wouldn't
42:39
the same patterns happen in the same way? I'm
42:42
only asking a question if it wasn't that he physically
42:45
went up into the sky. There's In like manner
42:52
his return would not be coming from out of this
42:55
guy would be coming like manner But it like manner
43:01
means he would be walking down a mountain Getting
43:08
back to the Daniel thing it says with the clouds
43:12
of the heaven and one is son of man was coming
43:15
So he was actually in the coming not in the going
43:17
I think anyway For the seven in Daniel 713. Yeah,
43:22
that's how I see it as a yeah, that's what it
43:27
says pretty much. Yeah. All right. So before
43:30
we the study is going to be over here in just
43:32
a few minutes. And I know we haven't we haven't
43:34
done it justice. And maybe we'll come back next
43:37
week and or not next week, but in here in a couple
43:40
of weeks, we'll talk about this some more. But
43:43
those two the two men in white, anybody got any
43:48
ideas? What's the point of the two men in white
43:52
at his ascension? Anybody ever asked that question?
43:59
Like why? We've asked it but I Think to the end
44:05
of verse 11 Those two men are saying in like
44:12
manner or the same way He was taken is the way
44:16
he will come but what is not said here is that
44:21
those Apostles will actually see it It doesn't
44:24
say you will see him come. It says the way you
44:30
saw him go. So there's no guarantee that these
44:35
two apostles are going to actually see when he
44:41
comes in like manner, but that does not address
44:46
the tomb and in white. Going off of what you
44:51
just said, Karen, I was actually thinking about
44:55
that because when we think of this passage with
44:59
him ascending there they're watching him and
45:01
then it says in like manner he will he will come
45:04
back. And if you remember, Elisha and his servant,
45:08
when Elisha's servants eyes, you know, were were
45:11
open so that he was able to see this army surrounding
45:15
them, that's kind of what it made me think of.
45:17
I was thinking, what if it is something like
45:19
that, something that you just can't see with
45:21
earthly eyes, but it doesn't mean that he is
45:24
not coming back the same way. Just something
45:27
that I had thought about. Yeah. Again, not addressing
45:31
the two men in white. But you can see, I mean,
45:33
it's not hard, guys, like OK, so I came up in
45:36
the Baptist Southern Baptist faith and actually
45:41
I was raised in an atheist home, but I was I
45:43
was going to a Baptist church on a bus ministry
45:46
and then I was taken to church. But the things
45:49
that these ministers would say, which really
45:53
made sense to me as a kid, I'm not looking for
45:55
a hole in the ground. I'm looking for a hole
45:57
in the sky. You ever heard that before? I'll
46:01
put another twist to this. My dad used to say
46:02
he would say he says I'm not looking for the
46:05
undertaker. I'm looking for the upper taker.
46:07
Yeah. But see, that's just it. Right. If we read
46:11
it in plain English, it's not to me. It makes
46:15
like like we I don't I don't have to do a whole
46:19
lot of verbal gymnastics here. I think the two
46:21
witnesses are the critical part in my opinion.
46:25
I do those two witnesses. First of all. You've
46:29
got to have two witnesses. I like how you're
46:34
putting this now. Yeah. Why? Because I would
46:38
be willing to be speculating that that's the
46:41
first written part of the two witnesses that
46:43
are spoken of in revelation. I was going to go
46:46
there too because they come back later. Yeah.
46:49
You have to have Luke's writing it from a very
46:53
legalistic. No, not legalistic. Not legalistic.
46:57
that from the legal covenantal covenantal law.
47:02
You have to have two or two or three witnesses.
47:05
Yes. And you can't rely on the human witness
47:09
for what's taking place. Yeah. You can't because
47:13
they don't have the same kind of understanding
47:16
of the heaven as right. This would be possibly
47:20
the two witnesses that's that know where he's
47:23
going or know where he's come from. If we're
47:28
talking about the witnesses, then, could it be
47:30
the Moses and Elijah? Transfiguration? Could
47:35
it be the prophets? Don't shake your head too
47:39
fast, Big Daddy, because they just said transfiguration.
47:42
I guess they did. What was that, a glory cloud?
47:47
What if it was Moses and Elijah that said, men
47:50
and brother, what are you doing? I think Peter
47:51
would have been like, Moses and Elijah, I done
47:53
saw you all up in the mountains. I know. I know
47:56
it's y 'all. Quit trying to hide. I know it's
47:59
y 'all. I've seen y 'all before. I would love
48:01
to say that if Luke, being that he was being
48:06
meticulous about his writing, I believe that
48:09
he would have written that this was Moses and
48:11
Elijah standing there. If he knew that they were.
48:14
He doesn't name them. And again, you have to
48:18
speculate because of the lack of information.
48:23
And it depends upon the broadness of what you
48:25
want to read and get into. But the two witnesses
48:30
are written about in another book. Now, again,
48:34
it's not canon, but the names are written in
48:36
another book, and it says who they are. And they
48:40
come from basically when Jesus is when he dies
48:45
on the cross. Matthew writes about a resurrection
48:50
that happens. The tombs are open and the people
48:52
are seen throughout the city and walking around.
48:56
And two of those people come out. I believe these
49:00
are the same two witnesses that come out. Eventually,
49:06
they have to be, according to Revelation, they're
49:09
killed in the city and then they're resurrected
49:11
again. So they're still close to the city. But,
49:15
you know, it's again, it's all speculation, but
49:17
I think this possibly could be the first writing
49:19
or the description of those two witnesses that
49:22
are there coming out of the city because it's,
49:26
this is very close to, you know, the resurrection
49:29
in that time period. The two witnesses that were
49:37
in the tomb when he resurrected, how about them?
49:41
Exactly. Those two witnesses. They all could
49:45
be the same people. Does the white apparel have
49:49
anything to do with it? Yeah, they all are dressed
49:52
in white. The two are always dressed in white.
49:55
I think the good point is that we know that without
49:58
speculation, we can settle down in on the fact
50:02
that it is a legal witness that's happening.
50:09
It's a covenant thing. Yes. Yeah, it is. There's
50:12
two. And so that you can run that all the way
50:16
back through scripture, you know, to the law,
50:18
you know, you know, so that's, that's an important,
50:21
that's a solid point that we should be able to
50:25
take away with. I mean, wouldn't it be cool if
50:28
it's the two cherubim that was put in the Garden
50:30
of Eden to guard it. And now they're witnessing
50:32
in the new covenant, he's releasing that. Yeah.
50:35
They didn't have their flaming swords that day.
50:38
That's right. Because he's gonna be the one entering
50:40
in there's nothing to block anymore. That's right
50:43
The firmament is gone. The firmament is gone.
50:47
He's coming in he's coming in But so in Luke
50:52
they they also had dazzling or radiant clothes
50:55
Which is probably the white apparel, right? Yeah,
51:01
the empty tomb either that if they were in a
51:04
disco party, yeah, yeah Well, it says it was
51:09
two men the two witnesses were described as men
51:13
They're all in it's all in the same thing. Here's
51:16
what's if we look at again the text these two
51:19
men know some special information because we
51:23
take what they are saying as Something else more
51:28
than what anybody else knows. Even the disciples
51:30
don't know what these guys know. They know something
51:33
special They know that he's going to come back
51:36
How do they know that he's going to come back?
51:39
Because there's somebody has told him what's
51:42
going to happen. So they know So he was risen
51:46
to and Luke. It's it's the same thing. It's the
51:49
inside knowledge They might have been there the
51:52
whole time and nobody paid attention Yeah, we
51:55
don't know where they come from and how long
51:58
they've been there We just know that they're
52:00
there when they're when Luke writes about them
52:02
when they speak They could have been quiet the
52:05
whole time And just stood there. Yeah. Well,
52:09
he says he's not here, but he is risen. Remember
52:12
how he spoke to you. That's what they also said.
52:14
Why do you seek him? That was at the grave. It
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was also two witnesses in the shining garments.
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It's one of my favorite verses of scripture.
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My son, Jonas got saved when he heard that verse.
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The, a man in a play said, uh, why do you stand
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here? Why did the living stand among the dead?
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And He came up to me crying and he's like, dad,
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I get it. I get it. I get it. I'll never forget
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that. Yeah. But Karen, that's a good point you
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made because in acts 111 and when you read about
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the tomb in both instances, they're saying, why
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are y 'all standing around here looking? He's
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risen. What? What? Out of the tomb? Yeah, but
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in both instances. those witnesses are asking
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why are y 'all standing around gazing whether
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it's up or in the tomb why are you why are you
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here looking as if you should be somewhere else
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so yeah where they're already yep they already
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have advanced knowledge they already have the
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understanding that they already the people they're
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speaking to the audience that they're speaking
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to already should have the knowledge and understanding
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of what they're doing they shouldn't be doing
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because they know again it's it's all about the
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understanding and christ had the same struggles
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with the disciples Why do I have to still deal
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with these people? Because you should know by
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now everything that I've done before you, with
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you. You've seen the physicalness of it. You've
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seen everything. I've told you everything, but
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it's just not grasping. Yes. It's after he did
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something that the scriptures say. And they knew
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he'd come back. Doesn't that ring true that hindsight
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is 2020? Yes, for sure. Even in their understanding
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they need it fully developed and placed out so
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they look back in history and know without a
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doubt that everything he said was true and the
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fullness of coming true even to Thomas standing
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there with Peter that's describing to him what
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has happened Thomas don't believe it and says
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Peter you have to be crazy Peter there's no way
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these things could have happened this fast things
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that have gone on, it's just not possible, unless
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that I see that he is physically being crucified.
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Peter has to be describing to the guys that have
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been locked in a room that Christ has been crucified,
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buried in the ground, and risen within a very
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short period of time, when the city didn't even
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do anything to basically stop it. They brought
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him in as a king. They were totally quiet during
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the whole event. How could the city not know
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what's going on? And he's already dead and risen.
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Peter, you're out of your mind. You know, you're
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crazy. And then look who walks in the room. He
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didn't walk. He floated, baby. And you know what
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else? Guys, I really liked what Danny said because
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I think there's something to the two cherubim
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that blocked the garden. Because the two at the
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tomb that's coming from she all And then from
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the earth to the heaven, that's the next right?
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Could it be the chick could it be the cherubim
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on the veil? That were the cherubim that were
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blocking the Holy of Holies the chair. Well and
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Hebrews says that Christ was the veil. Yes. Yeah
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The white represents holiness. That's one thing
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we do know. For sure. And even in a priestly
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vesture that it could be that. And then the last
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thing, it would be there's a big victorious part
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that this is a victorious event that's happening.
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So, you know, those are some of the things that,
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again, getting back to The number two is important.
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I think the white is important because it's representing
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the holiness of God, messengers of God, whoever
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they may be. They are coming directly from the
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Father talking to these men. And then, you know,
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I don't know how much more time we have, you
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know, to go, but I want to dig into What they
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actually said and who the audience is. Yeah.
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Let's do that next week. I think that's a good
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place to stop for tonight. And I appreciate all
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of you being here. Eric, since you were the last
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to speak, would you mind closing this out? Yes.
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All right. Lord, you are such a loving, kind
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God, merciful God. Lord, before we even called
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out your name, you knew us, Father, because we
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can recognize that from your word out of Psalm
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139. Before my innermost parts were even formed,
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you've known me. And Father, you called me out
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from my mother's womb. And so Father, would you
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teach us to know that our days have been ordered
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and written before there was ever one of them?
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Lord, you encompass us in front and behind. Lord,
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you know our thoughts and our words before we
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even speak. So how much more careful should we
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be with our thoughts and with our minds and with
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what we say? Even in a prayer, Father, we want
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to be careful to give God glory. to give thanks
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for our risen Savior Jesus Christ and Father
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for the Holy Spirit that dwells within us. Make
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us men and women a power to go forth with the
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gospel of the message of Christ that Christ is
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reigning, he's ruling, he's seated at the right
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hand of God the Father. He's accomplished all
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things, he's not standing as a priest did, he
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is seated and all things have been fulfilled.
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So Father we want to tell you thank you Father
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for that. understanding. Father, those that are
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listening to us and will listen to this and re
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-listen to it, Father, protect them and protect
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us, Father, from leading them down any wrong
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path. We're just having a discussion and we're
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so grateful to be able to do that. Thank you
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for this platform and I pray that, Father, you
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bless it going forth and bring many into the
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Kingdom of God. In Jesus' name, Amen. Amen. All
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right, guys. Well, join us next time. We're going
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to get into more of Acts chapter one, and we're
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going to do our best to try to. This might actually
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turn into a Don Preston thing. It might. It could
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be. It could be. It could be a three, four hour
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show. Anyway, thanks, guys, for listening. And
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we will talk to you guys again next time on the
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Burrows of Berea. Peace out, y 'all.