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What we learned about the Chicago Bears at the NFL Owners Meetings · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Windows City podcast presented by a fan side at that is Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am kind of Davis and we're going to go and talk a little bit about some of the things that we've heard coming from the Bears Management and also the hit coach over the last week or week and a half, we know that you know, then the Phil Hat meeting is in Phoenix.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also there's a availability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, we're talking a little bit about Indiana our own some heights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson also had something to say as far as dipping up the amount of time he spends with the offense, special teams and particularly the defense.
0:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And how he believes he can help the defense and special teams by paying a little bit more attention to them.
0:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He believes he gave a little bit more of his time to the offense, but now says the scheme has been installed.
0:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't feel like he has to spend the same amount of time with the offense and that he can help benefit Dennis Allen.
0:53
[SPEAKER_00]: with pointing out some of the the offensive tendencies that they'll face with some of the teams that they'll be moving and playing against this upcoming off season.
1:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex, how are you doing my guy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wonderful how you doing, guys.
1:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
1:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
1:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
1:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, um, I'll say I'm frustrated or one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we have a future episode where you bring up
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[SPEAKER_00]: Angel Reese and that definitely went to a tail spin, so make sure you tune into that as we talked draft draft draft draft draft and the draft of soonally approaching, but also just the whole state the first of all, let me say this anybody frustrated about the length of the stadium.
1:36
[SPEAKER_00]: That's on you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't own it, I don't get your frustration.
1:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're going to place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to affect what we as bear stance, what we're going to see on the field next year.
1:45
[SPEAKER_00]: No, so I really don't care.
1:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It would send me to told us that even if the stadium opens in 2030, that's just going to affect as far as the bears and money being spent.
1:56
[SPEAKER_00]: They say it's not, then I don't really care.
1:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it should have been done, but it isn't, but it's not something that really bothers me.
2:03
[SPEAKER_00]: What bothers me is that I'm not playing in the city.
2:07
[SPEAKER_00]: That bothers me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It bothers me that an economic resource, and again, of course, they won't money, but if we're talking about big 10 championships and things like that taking place in this place, I would want that money to remain here in the city of Chicago.
2:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna, I'm president of the city of Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm embarrassed to play it here forever.
2:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I know they started indicator, but we're not talking about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about the city's Chicago and where they've been playing for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That one season in Champaign, or Bana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that one season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my dad dad after that.
2:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But uh...
2:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So you never got to see the spaceship, it's all right, it's been it's been that long Alex.
2:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've I've adjusted I've adjusted shots my pops.
2:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, it's just one of those things where it's just like, okay, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so bears president, um, Kevin Warren has come out and said that of course, the plan is by this spring or summer to finally have finalized the location.
3:09
[SPEAKER_00]: and after finalizing the location, then the design will come up because somewhat in the make sense to a degree, the design will factor in the location to maximize it, you know, it's possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's different if you're playing, and Hammond compared to if you're playing in Arlington Heights, we know that the amount of space that you have in Arlington Heights, but hey, they may give you all of Hammond now, Indiana's rather than doing anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin Indiana is now just bears were bear bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, bears.
3:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you just you come right off the expressway at Skyway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And these, the Taco Bell.
3:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
3:43
[SPEAKER_00]: On.
3:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, the casino is actually in the stadium now.
3:47
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like horseshoe horseshoes in this, they're smoking, they're first of all, they don't need to stop allowing people smoking that damn casino.
3:56
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I swear it choked me out coming from a concert one day, having to walk through their place to get out of there.
4:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I someone had opened my mouth and dumped of ashes from a stash tray all in my mouth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to slow me to be smart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
4:14
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's a good defense is a good offense.
4:17
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're smoking cigarettes yourself, then your mouth is, uh, what's it's like acclimated to the to the to the.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So next time, just just.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Smoke a cigarette.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't smoked a cigarette and Lord knows how long it's been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember I'm where apart, the most of the main reasons I started smoking cigarettes was because of the afternoon.
4:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So, afternoon smoke cigarettes, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is gonna hate me for this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.
4:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I have these small cigarettes, right?
4:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So you officially quit when she got pregnant.
4:46
[SPEAKER_00]: She has slowed down, but she officially quit when she got pregnant.
4:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is how long we've been together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the, I remember when we were younger, going to restaurants and actually sitting in the smoke section.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's how, which is like terrible, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a slave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was such a long section in restaurants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How crazy is that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's stupid is what it is that we're smoking sessions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take your ass home.
5:11
[SPEAKER_00]: All right smoking the car with your kids like good 80s people did and look second He was rolled up right right, but just I one thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't take it like just
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care, smoke, whatever you get from, and I understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the actual smell is never really like great for me, or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, enough of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We do not care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Undo Wendy City podcast to be clear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was joking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do not come down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's basically a rest of us, for particularly in restaurants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were coming back in in stadium casino, in stadium casinos, no smoking.
5:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how much of a smoke thing you have to be or you're like, you know after I'm while I'm in this real lobster after after I have these a shrimp fast lobster fish, you know what I need I didn't miss anything
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[SPEAKER_02]: This hour and ten flight from Chicago to Kansas City, you know what I need to light up real quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I need it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Put it in me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need the nicotine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
6:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the bear stadium.
6:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex, I'll be as you this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honest Honest Honest percentage from Alex Shapiro, the chance that they end up in Hammond, Indiana.
6:43
[SPEAKER_02]: man I I feel like I've lost my sense of this.
6:47
[SPEAKER_02]: If you would ask me last year, if you would ask me six months ago, I would have said zero, zero.
6:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll upgrade that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is just me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is just me talking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe five percent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could still
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[SPEAKER_02]: how the state of Illinois fumbles us away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that Indiana has like, welcome them with open arms as you know, everything on the silver platter, they give them the bears, everything they want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Illinois legislators, they are back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are meeting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has been reported in the political universe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a top priority for Illinois lawmakers, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they just got back in session a few days ago, they're gonna be in session through the end of May.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still believe my heart of hearts, the Illinois lawmakers are figuring this out and that the bears are gonna build a stadium in Arlington Heights where, by the way, they already have 326 acres or whatever it is, a beautiful land to develop and it will get done.
7:53
[SPEAKER_02]: That, Tony makes the most sense, that to me is still, well, maybe not the passing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Path of least resistance in terms of getting it done with the lawmakers, but I still believe, I guess, some, again,
8:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I've maybe moved from 0% it's going to Indiana maybe 5% is a little maybe it's 15, 20% it goes to Indiana, but I don't really feel like I have a good sense of this at all because for forever I thought it's going to be and it's going to be an early tonight it's simply going to be an early tonight's and overwhelming like still do feel like the lawmakers are going to get it done it's going to be an early tonight's kind of your muted.
8:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry, not apologize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I blew my nose and I didn't want anybody to have to hear it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Alex.
8:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I hate?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that I'm going to have to go through this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the part that I hate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You hear about the past times where Indiana has been used by leverage by the bears for stadium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember Michael McCaskey having, not the greatest relationship with the second mayor daily, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, they had to bring in George because daily was like, I mess with that guy no more and and I'm paraphrasing and daily basically threaten the bears that if you go to Indiana you're going to leave that Chicago name moniker here and you'll be the Indiana bear so whatever right and remember thinking as a kid that it wasn't going to happen or whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this actually and I don't know because I'm going to don't feel more legit than they did in the past.
9:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: George McCaskey has the will to move the bears out of the state of Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't, I don't see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thinking about the fact that George Hollis, his grandfather, won't let them in our own society at one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, even gives him more validity to say, well, I am accomplishing a dream that grandpa, Papa Bear Hollis had, perhaps, maybe even though I don't want them to leave the city.
9:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I see them going out there and being the only team to not play inside of Chicago.
10:04
[SPEAKER_00]: which is wild to think about, particularly what it meant to us on the east side who would use like short drive all the time.
10:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, not to pop up into the South loop and see the home of the Chicago bears or it'll be there, but it won't be their home.
10:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I should say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we'll be different, but I don't own the bears at the end of the day.
10:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm saying, so hey, I built you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you got to make you money, I've set this in the past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always, if I was the bear's owner, I would have also built a long time ago Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We would have come to some type of agreement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you give me that.
10:41
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
10:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
10:43
[SPEAKER_00]: But you got to give me that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or I'm leaving.
10:45
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that would have been the move I did years ago.
10:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's to leverage and to an increased the value of my franchise by owning the stadium, which they play in.
10:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm with you.
10:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I see it in Arlington.
10:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I see this as just word, I mean, word salad.
11:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Just going about the motions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of those things, but I'm just hopeful that it's resolved, so we don't have to talk about it anymore.
11:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:12
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't care where it is at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just can we can't we just wrap this thing up already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm excited for the wrap it up after the wrap it up box copyrighted by Dave Chappelle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is time to wrap it up and when Adam chef reports, hey, this thing actually might get wrapped up here in a few weeks.
11:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh my god, I think God Adam Shaffter is reporting this because he's, you know, he's a reporter, he's he's reporting things that, you know, he is hearing to be true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just excited for this thing to be wrapped up at first to actually get shovels in the ground somewhere my goodness.
11:57
[SPEAKER_00]: not shovels in the ground, you know what I say in that shovels in the ground?
12:01
[SPEAKER_00]: What about all those ghost horses that are in Harrods of heights?
12:05
[SPEAKER_00]: If anybody that doesn't know, when a horse, you have cast to be tons of them, right?
12:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you've got to think about it.
12:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember not like the drone at the racetrack?
12:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't remember that conduct Kentucky Derby like about five or six years ago, where that horse broke his leg or so, because you know like when the horse breaks his leg a lot of time, they got to put that horse down, right?
12:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So you think you think it the race course and our lesson they wouldn't put in horses down left and right, I mean, these aren't even like the champion horses.
12:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, the galloping ghost returns in this time, it's an actual horse.
12:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, he's going to be so many sites of ghost horses and little man jockeys.
12:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this has got to be a couple of jockeys that got taken out too.
13:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be, I'm just this bad business.
13:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I just stand in the city.
13:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you, it's going to be an issue.
13:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to reevaluate Michael Reese.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we get the soil sample.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No more that's that's more ghost Alex.
13:16
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot more it's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot more ghost.
13:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you don't want to go to my so we're running out of options.
13:28
[SPEAKER_00]: There are too many names.
13:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Too many nanos who have to
13:37
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, all right, anything else to add on the stadium before we switch over to what Ben Johnson had to say about his time management moving forward.
13:45
[SPEAKER_02]: No, let's talk about the football team.
13:49
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it's pretty interesting article from Phil Types and from the Chicago Tribune.
13:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been following the cover in the Bears the last season.
13:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this season or last year, I know it's usually over the last time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bears had coach Ben Johnson said that him and defense coordinator held everything together for Johnson with said that hold on the mean go back and read this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was talking about his family and how his wife held the family down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, it was the same as defensive coordinator Dennis Allen on the football field, held everything together for Johnson while he focused overall duties of the first time hit coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like at home, Johnson feels the need to make up for the missed time at the office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when asked where he thinks he fell short last season, despite winning 11 games,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And making it to the playoffs, the first thing that comes to mind is time management allocation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnson said that he spent so much time installing a new offense and teaching the scheme that it drew his attention away from the defense and special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's I watch the self-scout, there's multiple cut-ups that I'm not proud of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I take that personal and makes me feel like I should have done a better job either coaching the coaches or coaching the players or spending just a little bit more time making sure that we were
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's a lot going on, but the time management portion of it, I think I can tweak a little bit to help us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This offseason he has split his time between the offense, defense, and intended, and is intended, nearly every defensive staff meeting and experience he found I open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: opening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnson also has been able to lend his perspective as an offensive game planner, someone whose job last season was to break down the style of defensive tendencies of fortune opponents, including 15 including the Rams, more so the scheme is his last part I read, more so than the scheme and what about each defense is a little bit unique to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the playstyle that jumps off the tape, Johnson said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Allen and I are in agreement that this time that we planned the game the way that we wanted to play,
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the ball carries tackle, we hit pause and we, as the coaches staff, looked at how many players were in the frame and we talked about that Alex, when it comes to rallying around the ball, now we all know that one of the greatest bears defense, the defense that last went to the Super Bowl, lovey Smith's defense, one of the best parts about that team was rallying around the ball.
16:08
[SPEAKER_00]: When you, partially, they mount the turnovers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know, of course, the peanut punch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the amount of turnovers they generated, a lot of it was because they rallied, bricks, Earl Locker, Tillman, those defensive linemen, those defensive backs.
16:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You would see so many jerseys around who ever had the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And last year, you did not see that, particularly where, when we talked about the linebacking court.
16:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the linebacking court was dinged up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but you didn't see them enough in every frame when it comes to tackling a ball carrier.
16:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that's just something that we thought about.
16:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's interesting that Ben Johnson is self-evaluating, and that's what you want to hear from your head coach and realizing what he can do to improve his team because let's let's be honest, this is his team, this is his career and one thing about Ben Johnson and me being a proud back of Ben Johnson, it seems like he wants to be great and to be great.
17:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have self-evaluate.
17:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
17:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And and just, I mean, when we're talking about that, it's like, yes, okay, there's the self evaluation I need to be spending more time with the defense and you spend more time here and you spend Be spending less time here, that's all great reflection, but also just naturally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's already installed his program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's already laid a lot of that groundwork.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he won't have to repeat a lot of that, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of doing everything from scratch, doing it for the very first time, putting together his staffers very first time, but you know, there are going to be new faces, obviously.
17:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's going to be some repetition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's some groundwork that's been laid that won't necessarily need to be repeated.
17:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Or if they are repeated, you know, things like, hey, how are we putting our schedule together?
17:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Those conversations can be a lot shorter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of it can be a lot more concise and all of it can be a lot more efficient.
18:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So just by itself, he should have more time to dedicate to other things.
18:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where we're talking about,
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bears building that foundation, then building upon that foundation, right?
18:13
[SPEAKER_02]: As that foundation gets stronger and stronger and stronger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you can start putting up the frame of the house, right?
18:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you can start building, now you can start building,
18:23
[SPEAKER_02]: This franchise and get a clearer picture of, okay, we have Darnell right as our right tackle and we have Dan Roshar as our offensive lineman and we have this as our run scheme and we know Caleb Williams is really good at these things and needs some work on these other things like all of that stuff you have that knowledge base they've downloaded and uploaded a lot of information now you can start now you can start building upon that and again like.
18:52
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll get time back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He'll know where to better use this time.
18:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And theoretically, things should get more efficient.
19:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Things should get better.
19:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Systems will be tweaked.
19:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And it should be all improvement just based on this being his second year.
19:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So that reflection is great to hear.
19:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But then naturally like these improvements should happen anyways.
19:15
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you have that combo,
19:17
[SPEAKER_02]: of that introspection plus just the natural way that things are going to go.
19:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's encouraging stuff.
19:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It's encouraging stuff to hear in the offseason as the bear's prepare to go through another draft and then go through another rookie minicamp and go through OTAs again and do all of that for the second time.
19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one example this comes from Phil Thompson's article of how we need to bring that vision to life a little bit more.
19:42
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to demand that our players believe that the man out of our players a little bit more.
19:46
[SPEAKER_00]: According to next gen stats, the bears had the league slowest average of getoffs and 0.93 seconds.
19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago's 0.57% sack per pass attempt ranked 21st.
20:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And effort to get a better pass for us.
20:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how do we get off the ball faster Johnson said as a crude defense attack goes or ends were a little bit later off the ball than some of our counterparts around the league.
20:11
[SPEAKER_00]: How do we drill that in practice because it's all about split seconds, 10th of seconds, makes them there that you're looking to affect the quarterback.
20:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Bears General Manager Ryan Poles said Johnson did a phenomenal job helmet and team.
20:22
[SPEAKER_00]: They went in and have seen North Division for the first time since 2018 despite giving up chunk plays against running past the Bears Leather NFL takeaways with 33 and that's something that we've talked about as far as you would think the Bears had one of the better defenses but it was put together with glue and they were just able to
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin buyer.
20:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, even let's let's put some respect even though he's not here any longer with uh, Tremaine Edmonds.
20:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember where he was.
20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget your address.
20:59
[SPEAKER_00]: your point.
20:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there was a lot of guys that stepped up for defense that was definitely been but don't break.
21:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And do do you remember how bad that office was sometimes last year before we really start getting to go have the first season, the first.
21:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
21:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Were that mini by or before the, no, it was, it was the, I mean, it was like, whoa, what's going on?
21:27
[SPEAKER_02]: That was Ryan's game and week two was horrendous.
21:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Alex, oh my god.
21:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But they figured it out.
21:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that was huge for them and we five.
21:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to give him props for figuring it out, man, like, I mean, and it wasn't it wasn't smoking mirrors because the first we thought after the Raiders game, like, okay, the Raiders are trash, right, right, right, oh, the cowboys are probably trash too, right, and come to find out, no, they
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: figured it out and became a really good team by the end of the year.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I'm you I enjoy hearing this.
22:06
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to need more than just I'm happy they're looking at how to tweak this as far as drills, but you also have to tweak this with talent.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's that's the truth.
22:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that guy, it particularly, and he led with detackles, then the ends, that detackle isn't in that building right now.
22:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know if you have the fountain of youth, uh, liquids over there that we can send the greatest year.
22:31
[SPEAKER_00]: No, because our line to prove it too.
22:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's hard, and again, it's hard for me to believe.
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I could be wrong because he was injured to start the year.
22:42
[SPEAKER_00]: What is Grady Jarrett look like without rehabbing?
22:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Compared to he was rehabbing, was his training different or whatever.
22:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But still to ask more from Grady Jarrett than you got last year, seems a bit much in my opinion.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: What about you?
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
22:59
[SPEAKER_02]: No, exactly.
23:00
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to replenish that dt.
23:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very telling moment.
23:03
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, there, there is work to be done online.
23:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's also interesting is the way he's not putting it all on the players.
23:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I love to hear.
23:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, like, we will probably stop doing this maybe this year, maybe next year.
23:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But just to bring it back to Fluse.
23:19
[SPEAKER_02]: where it took a long time before flu's kind of was taken accountability for first situations.
23:27
[SPEAKER_02]: He put a lot on the players and was like, we liked our plan, we liked our practice habits, we liked all this stuff, we didn't execute, we need to execute Ben Johnson is putting it on himself.
23:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He is putting it on his position coaches.
23:40
[SPEAKER_02]: He's turning the heat up on his staff to say like, we need to coach these guys up better.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So that they're actually cute.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said that with the wide receivers, right?
23:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we need to do a better job of getting our primary reads open as coaches.
23:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I love hearing that.
23:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And then another thing that was really interesting, like a part of this self-scouting, this retrospective stuff in regards to the past rush, is he said,
24:07
[SPEAKER_02]: We weren't as good as we needed to be in man coverage, which is we talked about it a lot.
24:12
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what Dennis Allen wants to do.
24:14
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to press the on the line.
24:15
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to play man and the Ben Johnson saying.
24:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, there were a lot of great takeaways, but the man coverage wasn't good enough at times.
24:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't give our past rush a chance to get home because guys were getting open too quickly and quarterbacks to get the ballhouse quickly because hey we're not playing very good man coverage.
24:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that he's
24:39
[SPEAKER_02]: spreading the blame around to be quite honest.
24:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a, this is a new year, and we've also heard a lot of this, which I love.
24:47
[SPEAKER_02]: That like, we got to forget about the successes of 2025.
24:51
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to forget about 2025 period.
24:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It is time to turn the page of 2016, right?
24:56
[SPEAKER_02]: He said numerous times over.
24:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I am sick and tired here in about 2025.
25:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It was cool for about a week when fans would come up to me and be like, oh man, it was great to use it and I love it.
25:09
[SPEAKER_02]: So, love hearing that, and then that focus on like, we need to get better.
25:15
[SPEAKER_02]: We did not win the Super Bowl, so obviously we need to get better, and not just saying, I mean, I'll compare it to another bear's coach, that we need to get better and spreading the blame around Matt Naggi, what happened after the wild card loss to the Eagles?
25:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a gust of silence shout out the masters, which is on the TV in front of me right now shout out the masters.
25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing a gust of silence.
25:39
[SPEAKER_02]: They got how many kickers 37 kickers.
25:43
[SPEAKER_02]: They brought into Alice Hall and it was just kicker kicker kicker kicker because it's felt like, oh, if we only get if we just had the kicker.
25:51
[SPEAKER_02]: How cool.
25:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, team, while ignoring the warts everywhere else, then Johnson is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not just the ends.
26:00
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just the DTs.
26:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just, hey, we lost the game.
26:03
[SPEAKER_02]: It's every, we got warts that we got to fix.
26:06
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to fix the man coverage, not just the past rush.
26:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love.
26:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that insight.
26:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that.
26:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that mentality of like last year was not good enough on many different levels.
26:19
[SPEAKER_02]: So to me, it's way different for what we've heard in the past in this city and it would be really easy to be like, we had such great success.
26:28
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to build on those successes.
26:29
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, no, we got a lot of improving to do it was not good enough.
26:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You kicked me when I'm down with that one.
26:38
[SPEAKER_02]: That member was like, does the silence, that manalasol?
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you just think about the stupidity
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: that year.
26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Realizing that you didn't help.
26:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Mitch, as my screen freezes, you didn't help Mitch to risky to grow as a quarterback.
27:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't come back with, okay, if Mitch is only this, how do I use this as best as possible?
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Why have him, right?
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I got more play.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to have more running plays.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I got in the middle of some of this was Mitch and I won't run as much, but you didn't take advantage of his athleticism and hey, listen, he may not be my quarterback, but I'm going to use him up.
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
27:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Like one thing, this kid may be battered and bruised, but we're getting some victories out of it with what he can do.
27:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like there was one week where they ran a lot out of the I form, I formation and it worked, but he's just like, listen, I don't like I formation.
27:37
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not going to do that again.
27:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't do it again.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: After it worked, he really well.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Stuff like that.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: The inconsistency to match the running game with the passing day under Matt Nagy.
27:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a bad man though.
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: cool cameras, kind of cool dude, you know, but still it was it man.
27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: When you now look so that away away from that and look at it in this totality, it's like jail, right?
28:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh man, we actually, I remember people people that used to be like, they can maybe fix that and it'd be like, no, dude, it's not, you got to have to blow that up, right?
28:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's got
28:19
[SPEAKER_00]: blow up, written all over it, and don't hold on to Billy Donovan.
28:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you get what I'm saying, it's got, it's got, it's got, it's got that written on it.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little bit more real quick in this article.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where his relationship with Dennis Allen was huge post-its to the Tribune.
28:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So, when he blouse about the Johnson had, he had a former
28:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think any times your first year you're trying to figure out what your routine is going to be like.
28:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably some extra time you're going to need to spend a different air to make sure that things are going to be the right way.
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me.
28:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And the second year Johnson is learning how to better prioritize this time.
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like he'll be all over there from our conversation.
29:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, you like to hear it.
29:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy.
29:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy.
29:08
[SPEAKER_00]: One, let's not, let's be honest.
29:10
[SPEAKER_00]: This is easier said than done.
29:12
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we'll have to see him sticking to is not saying he won't, but we got him sticking to this, um, and have to see how it helps the other phases of the football, um, but again, it's just like you said from the, from the receivers getting open more, um, because look, you don't have DJ more, all right, and one of the biggest things still, and I know we talked about it at Nazium availability.
29:37
[SPEAKER_00]: could talk about DJ Moore's body language, but guess what, he was out there showing you that body.
29:42
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, compared to God's that are sitting down with froze picked out to the to the insulin.
29:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm talking about Roman news, of course, at Rome has to really stuff up this year and become the guy that was drafted in the top 10.
29:58
[SPEAKER_00]: that the bears need, because that's what they're going to need this season.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be interesting, as we move closer to the draft.
30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm listening to you talk across my mind when you were talking about the defensive backs.
30:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really going to be interested in the draft profile of the DB's moving 400 Dinesala.
30:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because baked bears, I mean, and james on is one, it's to be more not just a scheme fit, but just, you know, really good corner back.
30:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the bears have been more of a zone scheme when it comes to their corners and getting them put in guys on the island.
30:38
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be interesting to see in the type of guys that you're going to draft that you think can go out there on that island, move a fool.
30:44
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw that a little bit was a stranger who was your son.
30:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I know huge dude, like just looked like Al Harris.
30:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we'll see if they continue along those lines.
30:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And it'll be interesting to see it's not like building a wide receiver room.
31:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is also something that Ben Johnson has said in the past.
31:05
[SPEAKER_02]: When you're building a group of skill players,
31:08
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you're building a basketball team.
31:10
[SPEAKER_02]: You want a point guard to want a center.
31:13
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't have a, just, just, you can't have a bunch of 501 dudes.
31:17
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to have a wide skill set so that it's like, okay, for this concept, we're going here for that concept.
31:23
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going there.
31:24
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not necessarily the case on defense so much.
31:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So it will be very interesting to see how that plays out.
31:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, we heard Ben Johnson just bringing it back to the Wider Severs a little bit.
31:37
[SPEAKER_02]: This was on
31:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Tom there in Jeff Joniacs podcast that they do bears, et cetera.
31:42
[SPEAKER_02]: He met with them one on one talking a little bit more about Cliff Raymond, who we spoke about that we had like an in-depth podcast about him in the Dan Palm pay story.
31:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a little bit telling one line of particular was telling he was like, yes, he's a great pot returner.
31:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the character.
32:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he can take the top off of the defense.
32:02
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing that really deem for me was it's the trust on option routes.
32:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the I know that he knows what to do in these situations.
32:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously how important that is we talked about that a lot at nauseam with the young guys and in terms of installing the offense right like how long is it going to take them to learn all of this stuff learn all this terminology.
32:25
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to go back to square one, Khalifa Raymond is a dude where it's like I.
32:30
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he knows what to do with all the different options, all the different leverages, all the different everythings, the trust level is already there with Kalee Freeman, which I think is like, it points to him having a bigger impact on this offense.
32:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Ben Devenuverne did last year, or potentially even, all of me is a kiss, right?
32:54
[SPEAKER_02]: All of me is a kiss, played a lot, but didn't necessarily have the production impact.
33:02
[SPEAKER_02]: That trust, I think, is really important and says a lot about why Khalifa Raymond is a Chicago bear.
33:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I totally agree, and also shout to you because that was the guy that you picked at the beginning of where who to bear should bring in.
33:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we were looking at
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: third or fourth receiver depth guys and you through Clevver Amin out there and I said then like yeah, I think you got the best one and they wouldn't got him.
33:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to you for being a person to put him on the map here on this this show this platform network on anything else before we get about here.
33:35
[SPEAKER_02]: There was one more thing just like the growing since the as Pete, you know, people here, listen, read, etc.
33:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like the bears really did want Kevin buyer to come back.
33:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, listen, they made him an offer.
33:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He obviously got more money to to leave and go play for the Patriots, which is like,
33:56
[SPEAKER_02]: God bless man, like I'm never going to be mad at a guy go take the higher paycheck, right?
34:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Makes all the sense that we've got to do what's best for you.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: But when the bears brought in Kobe Bryant, it seemed like they also hoped to bring that Kevin Byrd and have the two of them together.
34:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But now obviously the bears.
34:16
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to move on, they got to move on, but that was another thing.
34:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, okay, we knew they made him an offer and we knew that there was something there, but it sounds like that actually kind of did one hit back there.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he decided to go someplace else and we were, but you said we're moving on.
34:34
[SPEAKER_00]: What have been nice to have him back, but I'm interested to see who they were placed him with.
34:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, how that that the safety room shakes out with losing having four safeties, uh, leave the building or well, three leave the building.
34:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so we'll see.
34:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I look right now.
34:54
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to do something to this prove me.
34:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I faith and then it's all in my faith and been Johnson.
34:58
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
34:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Um,
35:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is not going to be saved.
35:02
[SPEAKER_00]: The money is not as loose as what it was before last year.
35:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots tied up now.
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes there's going to be a whole and you just hope.
35:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You as far as somebody that you didn't maybe know what be able to fill it in, fills it in and we'll see moving forward.
35:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But they still, if they can fix it, also this, if they fix the defensive line, some of that in the backside is going to be remedied also just being honest.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, let me say this too, they really weren't healthy.
35:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're best corner back, didn't play majority.
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's your first two cornerbacks, didn't play majority of last year, all right?
35:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you're talking about your nickel guy and your guy, your outside guy, all right, both were really banged up and imagine how the defense looked different when you have both of them playing.
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder though, and this is something that crossed my mind.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Jalen can't stay healthy and that's shoulders been an issue since college.
35:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it wasn't a shoulder yet last year, but if you can't stay healthy.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, because it was something to growing thing, I wonder how long he'll be in that uni if he can't stay healthy with making him out of money that he's making moving forward.
36:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Who says the same thing about Kyle Gordon?
36:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pulling up Kyle Gordon's contract right now.
36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: He just got paid.
36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Only reason I said that is because his extension kicks in now, doesn't it?
36:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Gordon's and Jaylin is in the second year of his extension.
36:27
[SPEAKER_02]: According to SpotRack, which is the salary cap site that I use according to SpotRack, the Bears can cut Kyla Gordon in 2027 with just $5 million of dead cap.
36:42
[SPEAKER_00]: What about, what about Jaylin?
36:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Jalen Johnson is making a lot more money.
36:49
[SPEAKER_02]: That means it's extremely highly paid.
36:51
[SPEAKER_02]: As he should be, because he is very good at football.
36:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, Jalen, Johnson, spot rack bear with me.
37:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what they say about podcasts and what really works great on podcasts?
37:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen to guys, Google stuff.
37:09
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what people call them for.
37:11
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the people are.
37:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me listen to you typing Google stuff.
37:14
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
37:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, OK.
37:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So if the bear's cut, Jalen Johnson in 2027, $9 million in debt.
37:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you're not cutting him.
37:27
[SPEAKER_00]: All righty.
37:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything before we get out of here now?
37:32
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
37:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to talk more about Billy Donovan?
37:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Or was that enough in the middle?
37:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Just saying, Vogue, his name.
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I really wish that Mike Malone had left that position and you and see open, being someone who loved Billy Donovan's Florida team with Joe Kim Noah and our whole first to I loved that team right I would have loved to see Billy go back to college particularly a UNC that would have been nice Billy needs to go.
38:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time to turn it all over.
38:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Bring it, give it to.
38:10
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can get just from little rumors, you can get massage areas, the president, and Lua'll wants to come and be the general manager.
38:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But really, if you can go get Bob Myers, what's the dude that used to run golden state?
38:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know.
38:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Think his Bob Myers, if you can go get a hip and he will come to Chicago.
38:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You better go.
38:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want Mike Dunlevy Jr.
38:33
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, no, I want the guy that my family will be junior replaced, not the replacement of the guy.
38:40
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, go get the best person, not the understudy as you did with our Tony's kind of solvus.
38:47
[SPEAKER_00]: No, go get him, Timothy.
38:49
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, get him, break him here.
38:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell him you can do whatever you like.
38:54
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and let him do that.
38:56
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm tired of not loving and enjoying bulls basketball.
39:00
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
39:01
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that P-wheel is still on this team, whoop, whoop, yeah, that part, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop
39:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But like the fact that you thought like that lets you know the whole games is maybe easier said than done.
39:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but the fact that you saw P will and thought, oh, this is him.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have, right then, should have gotten our pitch forks and headed to the manhouse on Madison right there to stop any foolishness moving forward.
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, as we talk basketball on these last podcasts, men and women, it's just, if you don't dot, if to be someone that grew up during the Jordan era,
40:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And then to be blessed to have Derek Rose come to Chicago and then remember, oh, this is what Excellence looks like forgot what basketball excellence looks like.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
40:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And MBA finals.
40:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a need.
40:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Even on foot for the league.
40:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a situation.
40:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good for the city.
40:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the only problem with that is the Jordan use up all our good basketball equity because I remember before the bulls won a champ this when I first fell and let's talk on a little basketball and they had lost to Detroit back to back years and I remember crying right like I was like, I'm never going to beat them and then the next year.
40:50
[SPEAKER_00]: they kicked their asses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder, I've said this before, oh, I believe one of my girlfriends was like, I've never served you quiet during a bull's game and it was, it was a game seven versus Indiana and it was I remember that and it was a game seven versus the nicks and it was the times because you were like, oh, oh, dude, when they lost to the nicks, um, with the
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you were Dave was so in Chicago we don't like Uber Davis because the year after Jordan retired the bulls had the same record and they were in a playoff against the mix and Scotty Pippon went to block up a shot from Uber Davis and
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[SPEAKER_00]: barely if anything, touched his fingertips and they called a foul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, it basically sunk the bulls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is half of a Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I should remember.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is, I should remember that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the first season after Jordan retired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bulls had the same record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: BJ and Horace became, what was Horace on the start before that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But BJ became an all star for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, it was so close
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was old because they actually at that point you got to remember Jordan dog Jordan retired
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, I don't know if it was weeks or a month before this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's retiring like a September, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was baseball still bit right up kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Baseball, it was like, the earliest it was was August.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But baseball was still being played because Jordan threw out a pitch at Riggly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a denim outfit, like a denim shirt and jeans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he threw out the pitch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember after that, there was like, yeah, there's gonna be an announcement in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, basically,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like what's right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like whoa, it wasn't like yes, so and then I learned about the concept of retirement by the way I didn't know what retirement was until Mike or Jordan retired.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like retire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does that mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're working and I was like what he's gonna stop playing basketball But he's the best in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why would you just stop?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like some people when they're done working they retire That is how I learned about the concept of retirement
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael, that's a good way to find out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but the things, but you see, but the thing is this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that we're so far away from it, who retires and who wins three titles, retires comes back when three more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, let the league and score before we're tired and let the league and scoring again for the three seasons, like you just got to think like that's how good, he was not the same guy, all right, totally different type of play, well, not the only number but not 45 45 was about 23 terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was not shout out Nick Anderson, all right, shout out Nick Anderson for pointing that out Chicago's very own, but he was with their lentil magic when he said that and Jordan, when it switched uniforms, right, and got fine for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like 23's back tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, as the bulls lost in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, for anybody I don't know what ended on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan retired and came back.
43:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So that year I was talking about he retired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He came back the follow and season and played the last 15 games of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So baseball was on strike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan wasn't gonna of course be a scat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we hear rumors like Mike may be like coming back and he's then you start to hear that then it's Mike is practicing perhaps with the team then during a bull's game Scotty Pippin wearing Jordan's puts his foot up and points towards the camera
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[SPEAKER_00]: And put points to it like, and then it was like, oh, it is he and Jordan being just puts out two words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm back and Jordan the world and plays against the Pacers.
44:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was an at Indiana at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Reggie Miller pushes off on him so damn hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reggie Miller must have been so mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Reggie, I'm so Reggie, I'm so mad.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, because he would have had so many more all stars and stuff and Jordan wasn't in the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has his Reggie, but I just played in any other era where Michael Jordan was not also playing at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People will put proper respect on Reggie's name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jordan comes back for 15 games, hasn't played basketball in the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: More almost two seasons, basically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on their team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, let me just Nick Anderson by Dennis Scott, believe the bull's coach was going, believe Scott Scouts may have been gone by that time, because he was the point guard before Penny started starting for the magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in what they had a team where it was modern day basketball, it was shack in the post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: spread them out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were shooting threes at a clip that was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, those three Nick Anderson Scott and Penny Hardaway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it looked like the bulls were going to be in trouble moving forward and then the bulls come back to next year and kick the damn magic's you know what in the regular season they made it a point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was like when that went at that first and back oh baby it was too sweet to me
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, enough of that memory lane for the Wendy City podcast, but yeah, Billy Donovan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's time to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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