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The First Amendment Doesn't Protect Threats—Here's Why Leaders Must Act · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you very much for joining us on this episode of the podcast.
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• 0:12
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• 0:14
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We are um just very, very grateful to have uh have a platform where we can share opinions, talk about public safety announcements, public uh announcements that uh have to deal with the public.
• 0:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and sometimes those areas are hard to talk about, they're not easy, and sometimes we we laugh and we talk about lighthearted topics.
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• 1:02
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• 1:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and we are Voices for Voices, a nonprofit 501c3 nonprofit organization.
• 1:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're here to help, we're here to spread awareness, we're here uh for bringing topics that come to our attention, uh, to help the community be as safe as possible.
• 2:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we appreciate each and every one of you.
• 2:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh again, what we do is uh is this covered under the First Amendment.
• 2:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and as I I say many times, if you don't like our content, just turn the channel, turn the page.
• 2:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's that's what you do.
• 2:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I live in the United States of America.
• 2:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't I don't know where everybody's from.
• 2:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have viewers and listeners from over 111 countries.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so here in the United States, we're allowed to have that freedom of expression, and we don't and have not threatened anybody.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have not wished harm on anybody, we don't have followers and let them talk about harming or hurting anybody.
• 3:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's what we don't do.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We just talk about the facts to the best of our ability, to the best of our knowledge, in good faith.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's what we do in good faith.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's really it's really a shame to see some people, some organizations, just whatever, um that could be inciting some type of violence, harm, bodily harm to a human being and or human beings' family.
• 4:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that needs a stop.
• 4:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's that's where we say, and you've probably heard this a lot of times.
• 4:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you see something, say something, and so that's what we do.
• 4:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We see, we saw, and so we reported.
• 4:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That that's just that's just being an upstander instead of a bystander, and especially when people's lives are being talked about potentially in a comment to a post, to a I don't know, anything.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's posted online, right?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's all over the world.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Anyone can see it.
• 5:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if one person or one organization says to another, here, you've done these things wrong, and so you know, you you can't do those, and you owe us, or you know, we're we're losing money, or whatever, whatever it is, and then again, we're talking hypotheticals here, and then what if somebody within that potential organization, group, individual sees and says, hey, we've tripled in size in the last year or period of time.
• 6:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A year, two years, and so does that now to me that doesn't make a lot of sense in this hypothetical where I'm gonna try to recoup money for what?
• 6:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm gonna demand videos they're covered under the First Amendment.
• 7:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hey, the Joe Rogan experience, hey, the damn Bongino show.
• 7:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hey, there's so many other out so many other channels and and shows out there.
• 7:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Find a different show then.
• 7:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't watch us, don't listen to us, don't subscribe to us.
• 7:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The last thing we want are is our people subscribing and then taking and then taking that information right off the press and sharing potentially maybe misinformation.
• 7:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What if person, organization lets you know the talk in the comments or wherever on the web, so again, worldwide, anybody can see it, and they say, Oh, we're being targeted.
• 8:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're this organization, this person is coming after us.
• 8:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, in this hypothetical, the people taking that message and saying, Oh, somebody's coming after us legally, that they would be the defendant, and we would be the plaintiff.
• 8:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: However, hypothetically, when there are when there are court filings, it show exactly who filed first, who's the plaintiff, and who's the defendant.
• 9:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if we're going to do these things in uh you know, in this hypothetical, we're gonna do things, you know, by the like let's go and talk about the facts.
• 9:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I would think as if I was a leader of an organization, and that information is getting out where whether it's somebody I know or not, whether that narrative is that, oh, we're the defendant, I would put a stop to that the best way I could.
• 9:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But that's not happening hypothetically.
• 9:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The hypothetical leader and leaders are letting that go on.
• 10:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There are there are comments again about bodily harm last I checked.
• 10:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's a threat.
• 10:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A physical threat on top of the emotional distress that that cause causes.
• 10:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so when that's not being put when that's not that's not stopped, and something happens, hypothetically, then what do we do?
• 11:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, well, we didn't mean to do it, uh we don't know this person, we don't know here, we've been we've been talking about it, hypothetically.
• 11:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: For the last couple days.
• 11:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we bring and at least make the right people aware of what is occurring.
• 11:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What has, what is occurring And so when we say what that we are voices for voices, mythical creatures around the world watch our videos.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Listen to them.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We never once in this being the 550th episode of our show, never once have incited that people not excited, incited, or letting that happen.
• 12:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, these aren't hypothetically, these aren't just like you know, like jokes or a game like hide and go seek or something.
• 12:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: No, this is talking about people's lives here, folks.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And law enforcement and when this is let go on when is enough enough?
• 13:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And when do people step in and like myself be an upstander instead of a bystander?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I will not stand idly when I receive information.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I will not and you shouldn't either.
• 13:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But see, we haven't we haven't we haven't done that.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In fact, we actually prayed for every everybody, including people that we might not see eye to eye with.
• 14:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And yet that is going to be turned against us.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, uh for me, look, I I believe in God and Jesus.
• 14:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not telling you who to believe in or not believe in.
• 14:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like you you know, you do your own thing.
• 14:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But for this to go on, and let's be frank, folks.
• 14:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's been going on for a long time, it's just now coming and bubbling up to the surface because of our awesome viewers and listeners from here in the United States and across the world.
• 15:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We may talk about hard topics and say we don't agree.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hey, is this the case?
• 15:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Is it not?
• 15:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We let people make decisions for themselves.
• 15:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't sit next to them and press the keyboard, press the keys and click the mouse, and we we don't do that.
• 15:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when if there is hypothetically comments, like a specific comment about hey, we need to swat Justin, his house.
• 16:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's a threat.
• 16:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I understand I'm in the public eye, public figure, because of our show.
• 16:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I realize there's gonna be there's pros and cons.
• 16:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I get I get that.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What I don't get are hate.
• 16:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't get any type of threats, especially bodily physical threats.
• 16:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's not right.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And just as a human being, you don't have to be any you don't have to be a leader of anything, you don't have to have any special schooling.
• 16:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It should just register like, hmm, this doesn't make sense.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't think this is right.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this isn't playing God, this is playing, look, we all get one chance at life.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And when people are talking and inciting about potentially cutting a life short, we're going after somebody criminally because we prayed for them.
• 17:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh yeah, that's that's our doll Lucy.
• 17:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: She's chewing on her peanut butter sticks.
• 17:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not a chainsaw, but it she just she loves the the best ten dollars spent on uh toy for her.
• 18:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we I actually got continued.
• 18:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We we did we got uh uh she ran out of dog food, so we we um she ran out basically last night, and so we we went and picked up some more dog food, and then we got a treat because uh we got we had some ice cream and ice cream, even the vanilla just didn't sit well with with her digestive system.
• 18:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So they had a little kind of bakery, so we got her a flip-flop cookie treat, and and so she she really enjoyed that.
• 18:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but I digress.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So anybody anywhere, I'm not telling you not to exercise your first amendment right, but the first amendment goes away when you're talking about threats, potential death threats, potential kidnapping threats from a potential organization that potentially tripled in size over the last year?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not a mathematician.
• 19:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I know there's analytics we can see and some that we can't because of private servers and you know, law enforcement that they they have rightly so.
• 19:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, so we can't see where that IP address, you know, or or what area that's registered to.
• 20:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so this is just me going out on a limb, I guess.
• 20:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think the reason why this potential organization potentially tripled in size because of us.
• 20:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Voices for voices, our TV show and podcast, because of our viewers and listeners.
• 20:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That if if you want that that's what I think.
• 20:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, that's my opinion.
• 20:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I'm not saying it's gospel, I'm not saying nothing.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm I'm saying there are a lot more people that know about this potential hypothetical organization now versus this time last year and the year before.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I call for all leaders, all people that hold power and law enforcement and the courts to say we need to stop this.
• 21:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We need to stop this as a country, we need to stop this as human beings.
• 21:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We need to stop this as human beings.
• 21:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's that's where we find.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How a person's true colors when decisions to ignore potential comments to ignore hate speech to ignore potential threats, potential death threats, potential kidnapping threats.
• 22:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So this is a this is a deep episode.
• 22:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's what we do.
• 22:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We talk about deep topics, public safety concern.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I think the public should know that there are people looking to harm a citizen in their community, in their city, in their state, in their country.
• 23:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for mean true law enforcement.
• 23:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So none of us know what's gonna happen day to day, minute to minute, second to second.
• 24:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: All I know is I'm gonna spend my time trying to help, trying to uplift, trying to make people's lives better, trying to help a person step off that ledge or have their mind step off that ledge so they don't go forward potentially.
• 24:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's why we have 550 episodes.
• 24:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Kinda interesting, huh?
• 24:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Take down all these videos, and quite a lot of them happen to be TikTok.
• 24:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And a few months ago, I woke up one day and I did not have a TikTok for voices for voices.
• 25:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, we voices for voices with these little creatures around the world, anybody we associate with, we have better things to do than to try to bring hate, spite, jealousy out.
• 25:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like I mentioned before, if you're so confident, and this goes for anything.
• 25:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If somebody's so confident in what they're doing, and apparently, I guess potentially tripling in size would probably be an indicator.
• 25:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um deposition said individual says, Oh, we're after two hundred days.
• 26:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, we we don't know how much we don't know what the damages are.
• 26:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay.
• 26:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So why do the pieces of paper say a particular number?
• 26:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Huh?
• 26:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That is you just pull it out of thin air?
• 26:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I know where it came from.
• 26:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I know where it came from.
• 26:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I know exactly where it came from.
• 26:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And you know where it came from too.
• 26:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's interesting, isn't it?
• 26:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then we say your organization and you it's because of you we've lost revenue.
• 26:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay.
• 26:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Mind deposition, did you say?
• 27:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, we had a little exodus of people, and then when the question was raised by our now ineffective counsel asked.
• 27:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, is voices for voices?
• 27:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, did people leave and and say, Hey Scott?
• 27:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hey, Becky, Rebecca, we're leaving because of voices for voices.
• 27:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or Justin Allen Hayes or David Solomon.
• 27:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Couldn't answer the question, Scott.
• 27:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Could you?
• 27:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because you knew darn well what the numbers show.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That potential comment by someone that was it's not you, Scott, but somebody that knows your revenue has guess members, whatever the terminology is actually tripled.
• 28:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That means three times bigger, not three times smaller, three times bigger.
• 28:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But yeah, we'll say, you know, this this nonprofit and another state.
• 28:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I I don't try to understand anymore.
• 29:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just know that God's watching over.
• 29:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: My dad's in heaven, he's watching over.
• 29:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Everybody's left this world, watching over, and people watching and listening to this particular episode, or all of our episodes.
• 29:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So again, I just want to say thank you very much for tuning in.
• 29:41
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• 29:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That it's it's that simple.
• 29:48
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• 30:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And last but not least, five hundred and fifty episodes.
• 30:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Wow, that's a big number.
• 30:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I thought fifty was a big number.
• 30:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I thought what hundred was, I thought two fifty fifty, four fifty, five hundred, five twenty-five.
• 30:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this episode is number five hundred and fifty.
• 30:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's because of you for watching and listening.
• 30:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if you could again know it's coming.
• 30:46
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• 31:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's been a blessing for me, all the days of my life, all the good days, all the bad days, all the days in between.
• 31:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm grateful at this very second to be alive.
• 31:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So until next time, let's celebrate the voices of everybody in the world.
• 31:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And let's be a voice for not only ourselves, but maybe somebody who's not able to express their voice so easily.
• 31:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you for joining us, and we'll see you on the next show.
• 31:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye bye for now.