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A tail as old as time · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. We have always
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been those people and it's very clear in our
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back catalog. It's true. We are, your podcast
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hosts Taylor and Chelsea, here today to talk
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not about Bigfoot, but it probably gets confused
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for it all the time. No, today we're talking
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about monkey sightings in North America, Chelsea.
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Big monkeys, not Bigfoots. Okay, now I get why
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you opened it like that. And don't we ha - We
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don't have those. North America has no native
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monkey populations. We do have monkeys that live
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in zoos and a lot of the time when we're talking
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about these sightings it's either going to be
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oh you kind of miss saw a bigfoot or it was probably
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a monkey that escaped from the zoo. like that's
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the most common things you're saying in this
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episode like it would be more likely you saw
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a bigfoot than like a gorilla yeah basically
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and in fact i kept the ones out where it was
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a gorilla there are ones where it is a gorilla
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but no these are I love that. They're historical,
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some of them. Some of them are recent. There's
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a whole story behind it, Chelsea. And guess what?
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We get to touch on one of our favorite people,
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Hammerson Peters, who did a lot of research into
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this. And again, I just need to say it, Hammerson
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Peters, not enough work on the Bigfoot genitalia.
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Oh, no. Are we going to it's going to become
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evident again on this episode? See, I hate that.
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It becomes more evident that he should have known
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about the box. Because basically we're going
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to be talking about a backwards box here. Okay.
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I don't know what that means, I don't think.
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Okay. Are you going to tell us? I think it'll
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be evident as we move forward to those of you
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who don't know what a box is. Go back like four
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episodes to the Bigfoot genitals episode. We
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don't need to repeat ourselves about that. But
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I'm confused. What's the box? B -O -Q -S. Oh,
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okay. I thought there was some mysterious Bigfoot
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box that I forgot about. No. Okay, we're on the
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same page. Now, of course, when we're talking
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about things, we like to go back to historical
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accounts or the historical record of a subject
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and there is a historical record for wild monkeys
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living in North America. Hammerson Peters has
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found us some great stuff. At the southern border
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of Alaska and Canada's Yukon Territory, there's
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an oral tradition that seems to trace back to
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the watershed of the Copper River, home to the
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Atena Nation. According to storytellers, vicious
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long -tailed men once lived in the Menta - mountains
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of southeastern Alaska and in caves along the
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Tanada Creek and the Slana and Copper Rivers
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north of the Wrangell Mountains. They called
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these peoples the Satani, meaning the tailed
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ones or the monkey people. Versions of the legends
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appear in Johnny Smelser's In the Shadow of the
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Mountains and in James Carras' Tatla -tun -nen.
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Wow, that was great. Tatla -tun -nen. The Headwad.
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The headwaters people's country. I'm familiar.
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I knew it. And it was perfect, wasn't it? Yep.
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Smelter's grandmother, Mary Smelter Wood, and
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Ahtna elder, Markle Pete, describe the creatures
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as kind of human -like, hairy all over, walking
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on their hind legs with long tails. So it's in
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the back this time, Chelsea, is what I was saying.
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Oh, OK. Fred and Katie John, who shared their
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own versions with Carrie and the Satani, said
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the Satani were as big as a tall person, with
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human -like faces and hands, but covered in body
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hair. And that's an interesting distinction when
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we're talking these monkey sightings they're
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never like bigger than normal people they're
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either at normal person height or smaller okay
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so we're thinking regular monkeys not quite bigger
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than a regular monkey okay so it's like it would
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be like its own species it would have to be its
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own species yes now here is the tales that they
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tell in this indigenous group several hundred
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years ago an Atena band camped at the confluence
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of the slana and copper rivers near present -day
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slana alaska they began began to experience mysterious
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disappearances. It started after a dog dragged
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the fresh tail of a fish into camp, which was
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odd because the band hadn't been fishing that
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season. Suspecting another group nearby, scouts
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went upriver to investigate. The scouts never
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came back. Over the following months, more people
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vanished, first children, then women, then elders.
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Even men who stepped beyond the fire late at
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night disappeared as they swallowed by the dark.
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Fear spread through the camp, the kind that makes
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you question whether the woods themselves are
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alive. And one day, a hunter returned terror,
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claiming that he'd seen a man -like creature
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with a long tail perched on a fallen tree. A
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young warrior decided to track it, and he was
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convinced this tail one was behind the disappearances.
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Following the creature's prints, the warrior
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found a hidden trail strung with grass ropes
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and primitive traps, which he managed to avoid.
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Eventually he reached a hill south of what's
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now Batzelnettis near Tanatta Creek. There he
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saw several tailed men in the distance, using
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their tails to propel themselves forward, curling
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and recoiling them like springs. He climbed a
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tree and watched as the monkey people played
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a game, shrieking with delight as they rolled
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a ball back and forth. Then he realized with
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horror that the ball was the severed head of
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a young man who had recently gone missing. Rain
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began to fall and the creatures retreated up
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a trail to a cliff along the Copper River, climbing
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into caves that lined the rock face. The warrior
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ran back to camp, certain he'd found their lair.
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The Aetna gathered their weapons and torches
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and were determined to end the killings. When
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they reached the cliff, they found the ground
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littered with human bones, not clean. The women
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tied green branches into bundles and lit them
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until they smoked, and thrust them into the cave's
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mouth. As the smoke filled the caverns, the monkey
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people began to crawl out, screeching for air.
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only to be met by spears, arrows, and more clubs.
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The fight was brutal, one Aetna warrior was killed,
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but by nightfall the tribe believed they'd wiped
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out every last sitani. They returned to camp,
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never to be troubled by the tale once again.
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Weird thing about that story Chelsea. It reminds
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me a lot of I forget the name of that cave in
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Arizona It was the giant redheaded people that
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like got lured into a cave and then they burnt
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this fire at the mouth of it I know exactly what
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you're talking about. It was a love lock Love
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lock. Yeah, it is it is but it's funny. It shares
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a lot with that story, but there's just Differences
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to it. Yeah, there are differences to it the
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tails for one. I love the tails are like springing
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back and forth Yeah, these ones are actually
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aggressive. I actually can't remember I don't
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remember the Giants being that bad in love lock
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cave. They just they're racist It didn't like
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them yet. No, it does remind me of love lock
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cave But I can't remember the specifics of love
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lock cave. These guys are killers I wasn't convinced
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at first but now that I have the evidence they
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definitely seem like killers especially that
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they're playing soccer with a head and setting
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traps But, yeah. Legend says the cave still dots
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the cliffs along the Copper River and that fragments
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of charcoal and scorched arrowhead relics of
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that battle can still be found there. In 1939,
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archaeologist Froelich Gladstone Rainey described
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a site near Bathelnetus that locals identified
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as the Satani Den. 30 rectangular pits dug into
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a moss -covered bench above an old stream bed.
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Rainey's team found only scattered charcoal,
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but the layout matched the oral tradition almost
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perfectly. Whether those pits were homes, traps,
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or something else entirely, nobody knows, but
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the story of the Satani, the monkey people of
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the Copper River, remains one of Alaska's strangest
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intersections of folklore and archaeology, a
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tale that sits somewhere between myth and memory.
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There are other similar stories to this one throughout
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the region. Amongst the Gwich 'in of northern
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Alaska, people living near Chandler Lake spoke
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of an ogre, described by a more sophisticated
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informant as looking like a monkey. The Ayak
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of the Copper River Delta told of a hairy man
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-like being haunting their territory, more gorilla
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than monkey since it lacked a tail. The Tanana
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and Talton also describe tailed man -like creatures,
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sometimes called the monkey people. But I guess
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they wouldn't have a word for monkey at the time,
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would they? Well, I guess there wouldn't be monkeys
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in North America. You know what? I'm glad that
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you called attention to that because I kept thinking
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what that's so weird that they're calling them
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what they're calling them because wasn't it tailed
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men on the other one? Yeah, or monkey people.
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And I think it's just because like they describe
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tailed men, they call them monkey people, but
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they wouldn't have a word for monkey because
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it wouldn't be there. Interesting. I'm glad you
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brought that up. Thank you. Now, McKennan even
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linked these beliefs to notes by Father Emil
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Petito, a 19th century missionary among the Dene
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of the Mackenzie River. Petito recorded a legend
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claiming that the ancestors of the Dene migrated
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from western lands populated by hairy -tailed
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men, a mythic memory of origins that sounds eerily
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like the Satan stories. Later, McKennan noted
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that Yukon storytellers distinguished between
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the Monkey People and the Brush Man, a man eating
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wild man known elsewhere as the Nakani or a Mahoney
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Man. The overlap between these figures' tailed,
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hairy predatory suggests shared mythical vocabulary
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stretching across the subarctic with this story.
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Another long -tailed humanoid of Alaskan lore
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is the kushtaka, the land otter man. This creature
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haunts the coastal panhandle where the sea and
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the forest blur together. According to anthropologist
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James Tate, in his 1921 Journal of American Folklore
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article, Talton Tales, some indigenous speakers
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even called them monkey people when speaking
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English. The kushtaka are said to be speared
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that prey on those lost in the wilderness. Like
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fairies in Celtic folklore, they confuse their
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victims, causing hallucinations and madness,
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and some lure wanderers to watery or subterranean
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homes, trapping them forever. Others simply lead
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travelers astray until they vanish. Now, although
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the Cushtaca are most often associated with the
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Tlingit folklore, Tlingit being the historic
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sovereigns of the Alaskan Panhandle, they also
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appear in the stories of the Talton, whose homeland
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stretches across northwestern British Columbia
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and south -central Yukon. At least one Talton
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tale, recorded by anthropologist James Tate,
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portrays the kushtaka not as a terrifying predator
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but as a mischievous kleptomaniac. More prankster
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than monster with the mannerisms of a monkey.
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The story centers on a young Tlingit man who
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didn't believe in the land otter men and wasn't
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afraid to camp alone in the wilderness. One night
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he heard noises outside his tent and assumed
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it was wildlife. He built up his fire and loaded
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his musket. As he drifted towards sleep he noticed
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a figure watching him from the edge of the firelight.
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He raised his gun but found he couldn't pull
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the trigger, and then everything went black.
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Between flashes of consciousness, he saw the
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creatures throwing snow onto his fire, trying
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to smother it. Another joined in, both working
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together as if this were a routine chore. Every
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time he tried to aim, his body refused to obey.
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When dawn came, the fire was out, the sun was
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gone, and the clearing looked untouched. Shaken,
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he started back towards his village. The trail
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home wound through a narrow pass between two
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hills, and at the entrance, leaning against the
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stump was his missing musket. The story simply
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ends with - After that, the young man believed
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in Kustaka and was afraid of them. Now folklore
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aside, reports of monkey -like creatures still
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surface from time to time in North American wildernesses.
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What sets a few of them apart from the standard
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Sasquatch stories is the mention of a tail, a
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detail that's rare enough to make investigators
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take notice. In his 1970 book Year of the Sasquatch,
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journalist John Willison Green described the
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experience of Gordon Ferrier, who claimed to
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have seen a monkey -like creature near his home
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in Mamquam River, a tributary of the Squamish
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River in British Columbia. In June morning in
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1969, Farrier spotted the animal standing in
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a roadside ditch, was covered in hair, walked
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upright and had a bushy tail. Later he found
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three toed tracks in the same spot, 15 inches
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long and nearly as wide as his hand. Local dogs,
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he said, were very upset on many occasions. The
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Squamish Times identified Farrier as a border
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of Paul and Norma Gratton, who lived on No Name
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Road, just south of the Mamquam Bridge. According
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to the paper, Ferrier had first seen the creature
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weeks earlier after it ripped open a window in
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the Gratton's home. He described it as about
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five foot eight, reddish furred, and long -tailed.
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Not quite human, not quite animal. The following
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day, Mrs. Gratton and her children stayed with
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a neighbor, Trudy Gulliman, fearing the visitor
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might return. Their fears weren't misplaced.
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While they were gone, someone or something entered
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the house through a window and left a pile of
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moss on the floor. About a week later, around
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six in the morning, Farrier saw the creature
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again from the dining room window. He described
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small pointed ears, reddish hair, and a pushed
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-in face like a Pekingese. It walked on two legs.
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He shouted for Paul Gratton, who arrived just
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in time to see a long tail vanish into the brush.
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Outside they found deep tracks, heavy enough
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for a 300 pound animal. It just sounds adorable,
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I think. Maybe it's because he said Pekingese.
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See, I think the cute thing about Pekingese is
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that they're like five pounds. Is it not? This
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thing was like 300 pounds and five foot eight.
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I don't know. It could still be cute. Mrs. Gratton
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reported the incident to the RCMP, who took plaster
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casts of the prints before raking away the originals.
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According to Green, the casts were later destroyed.
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Nauti suggested hanging a bag of bread and honey
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from a tree to see if a bear would take it. The
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bag remained untouched. The Vancouver Sun quoted
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local housewives describing the police response
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as bemused tolerance, polite disbelief. But for
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the Grattons and their neighbors, the experience
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was anything but amusing. If they said ma 'am,
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are you sure you didn't see a bigfoot that? Looking
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thing juice does certainly sound adorable though.
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There's a reason I'm yeah It does sadden me a
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little bit that they go back to the classic.
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Yeah, you saw a bear just hang something up It
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is disappointing, but I was half expected being
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how you introduced this that they didn't say
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ma 'am Are you sure you didn't see a bigfoot?
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Now, Chelsea, we have this type of creature up
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here that is mostly man with a tail and hairy.
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But overall, there's something in North America
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called the devil monkey or the devil ape, which
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is a phenomenon mostly in the U .S. Is it a real
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creature? Well, it's a cryptid. Oh, OK. May I
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Google it? Sure. Yeah, I don't think you're going
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to find much. OK, I just want to see what I'm
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looking at. We think it's a cryptid. Yes, it's
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definitely a cryptid. But it sounds I have to
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remind you, there are no native monkey or ape
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species to North America. While modern sightings
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of tailed monkey -like creatures are rare in
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British Columbia, they're surprisingly common
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in the eastern half of the continent, especially
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in the Appalachian Mountains. Cryptozoologists
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call this elusive primate the devil monkey or
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the devil ape. Some researchers argue that consistency
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across reports suggests a single species. In
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mysterious creatures, a guide to cryptozoology
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George Eberhart described the Devil Monkey as
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standing anywhere from three to eight feet tall.
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That doesn't sound like consistency. Sorry, just
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an aside. Not at all. They consistently describe
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it between three and eight feet tall. Yes, consistently.
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His height is variable. They generally describe
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it as a color. This looks like a baboon. kind
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of yeah sorry let me finish the description here
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covered in light brown to black hair with pointed
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ears and a baboon like muzzle witnesses often
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mention a long tail sometimes bushy sometimes
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hairless and tracks about a foot long with three
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rounded toes it's said to walk on two legs or
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all four attack dogs and livestock and make hooting
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or screaming sounds that don't match any known
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animal Hooting? Hooting and hollering sounds.
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It's an owl. Or hooting and screaming. Everyone's
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confused. Why didn't he come up in the owl episode
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then? Lauren Coleman chronicled several early
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Devil Monkey reports in Mysterious America in
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1983. The first came from a 1941 article in Hoosier
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Folklore, describing a preacher named Reverend
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Marsh Harpole hunting squirrels near Mount Vernon,
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Illinois. He claimed, quote, a large animal that
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looks something like a baboon, end quote, leapt
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from a tree and advanced towards him. Harpole
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struck it with a gun barrel and fired into the
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air until it fled. At least he didn't shoot it.
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Yeah, I mean people were built differently in
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the 40s They had the restraint to strike first
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and then shoot into the air I do appreciate that
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of the 40s. Soon after, locals began hearing
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blood -curdling shrieks at night and finding
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strange tracks in your creeks. Farmer's dog was
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killed by an unknown predator and hunters organized
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a track what they assumed was a panther. One
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driver later saw a creature bounding across a
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road near the Big Muddy River and another found
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tracks along the West Okaw River. Some speculated
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it was an escaped kangaroo. Despite the search
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though, no one caught it and the story faded,
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but not before planting seeds for decades. of
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similar stories. Chad Armand's North American
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Bio 14 review in 2000 recounts a 1959 case near
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Seltville, Virginia. Early one morning, a couple
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driving down a rural road was charged by a large
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monkey -like creature that slammed into their
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car, leaving deep scratches in the paint. The
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woman described it as having, quote, light taffy
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-colored hair with white blaze down its neck
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and underbelly, end quote. Standing on two muscular
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back legs with shorter front limbs. It chased
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the car briefly before disappearing into the
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woods. Days later, two nurses in the same area
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reported being attacked by something that ripped
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the convertible top off their car. Search dogs
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refused to follow the trail and the creature
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was never found. Years afterwards, witnesses
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compared the animal to a magazine illustration
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of a prehistoric lemur -like primate. normal
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creature would just like slam into a car most
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animals would be afraid of a car I would think
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oh yeah for sure no this one it's it's too brazen
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for its own good like yeah it just like got Canada
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Goose level of bravery yeah either that or it's
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got rabies or something like it's rabid now next
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up would be the Einfeld horror which is given
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a very brief section here but you can go back
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and listen to that episode we did it during one
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Halloween we covered behind I'll give you the
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Cole's notes here. Coleman also documented three
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more encounters near Enfeld, Illinois in the
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spring of 73. Witnesses describe a gray monkey
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about five feet tall, heard howling and shrieking
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in the woods. The consistencies of these reports
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in the same region helped cement the devil monkey's
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reputation as a distinct cryptid rather than
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a misidentified bigfoot. Oh, I remember this
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one. It was never described as a monkey, was
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it? It was that one that kept coming into backyards.
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I think they settled on Kangaroo, but it was
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described as monkey -like no if I remember this
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which I don't it was It was a horror If I remember
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correctly. Now, one of the most detailed modern
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accounts came from Debbie Cross, whose story
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was recorded by researcher Ron Schaffner and
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Kenny Young. In the early hours of June 26, 1997,
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Cross was watching TV at her rural home outside
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Duncan'sville, Ohio, when her dog began barking.
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She turned on the porch light and saw a fur covered
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monkey. Was it her home? I sure hope so. I have
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to ask the important questions. She turned on
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the porcelain and saw a fur -covered, monkey
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-like creature standing by the pond about 30
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feet away. It was about three to four feet tall
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and gray in color, she said. It had large, dark
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eyes, rounded ears above the head, it had long
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arms and a short tail, and it made a gurgling
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sound. I don't think I would like that, like
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any of it, the gurgling sound. But wait, the
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creature glanced at her and then skipped across
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the lawn on its hind legs, bouncing with its
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knuckles. No, I don't think I'd like it. I think
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I'd be rather disturbed. It followed Barbara's
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fence before vanishing into the dark, screeching
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as it went. See, yeah, I think you want to see
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the West Coast version of this thing, Chelsea.
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I gotta be honest, I don't know that I want to
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see any versions. I don't want to see anything
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out of place. I like to see creatures that are
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supposed to be there. If I see a monkey that
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shouldn't be there, I - No, you don't. You don't
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even want to see - a fish in the water. No I
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don't want to see that. Though if I saw something
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with a Pekingese face I could be pleasantly surprised.
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I might accept it, depends on if it's 300 pounds
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or not. I think it might be okay as long as it's
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not ramming my car. Armand's later Bio 14 review
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included a follow -up from a woman who saw a
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similar creature while driving between Roanoke,
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Virginia and Elizabeth City, North Carolina.
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She described it as all black with short, sleek
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fur, pointy ears, and a long, thin tail. Six
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feet tall and upright, with a torso like a thin
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man and hind legs like a wild cat or dog. Eberhart's
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Encyclopedia lists another sighting from Danville,
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New Hampshire on September 9, 2001. Oh, could
21:56
this have been a Mothman -like figure? for 9
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-11. The witness described a giant black monkey
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that appeared eight more times over two weeks.
22:04
Monkeys don't count. Okay. Winged humanoid in
22:07
any sort I would accept. This did not have wings.
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Even Canada has a few outlier cases for these
22:14
monkey sightings. Thomas Morgan of Kawartha Lakes
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Ontario found a 1992 report from Ian Harper who
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claimed to have seen a quote big white monkey
22:25
and quote near Lake Scugog while biking with
22:28
his dog. The creature stood three feet tall with
22:31
long arms and a large head and made a deep grunt
22:33
when confronted. Morgan also recorded a mid 2010s
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account from two Cree sisters near Jackhead,
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Manitoba, who saw a large monkey like creature
22:42
cross highway six about four feet tall, brown
22:45
haired, broad shouldered and tailed. The location
22:48
details are fuzzy, but the description fits the
22:50
devil monkey profile almost perfectly. That one
22:53
sounds OK. Yeah, he's stubby and he isn't ramming
22:57
cars and gurgling. I might accept that guy. I'd
23:01
be a little bit freaked out. albeit because he's
23:04
out of place. In 2001 in Danville, New Hampshire,
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over a couple of weeks, the local fire chief
23:09
and many other witnessed a large black monkey
23:11
as it ran amok in the small town. It jumped out
23:14
of the trees. As soon as he hit the ground, he
23:16
took a giant leap and went back where he came
23:19
from. The first thought I had was there's nothing
23:21
that's native to here. That's nothing that's
23:24
native to here. That's from an article from that
23:26
time. It would be accompanied by a strange hooting
23:29
or howling sound. This monkey was spotted multiple
23:31
times in the fall. days despite attempts to catch
23:34
it however after a few weeks the creature disappeared
23:36
never to be seen again locals concluded it must
23:38
have been pet or a zoo monkey turned feral after
23:41
being abandoned yeah and of course Chelsea no
23:45
episode is complete without us doing a quick
23:48
search for stories like this on reddit to see
23:50
what kind of story I thought it was gonna be
23:52
a rating of one of the Satan's I wish like the
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one -star rating from a zoo and the monkey enclosure
24:00
To be fair, most of these sightings are in Appalachia,
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and if you're going to Google reviews of Appalachian
24:05
places, you're gonna just be in for a bad time.
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You know, I've heard that the Appalachia is not
24:11
known as a rich part of the US. I've heard that
24:13
that area is super spooky and like full of crazy
24:18
monsters. I think it's just because it's so -
24:20
uninhabited for long parts of it and it's such
24:24
a like that's not rich people that usually live
24:26
in the Appalachias. Okay I didn't know that.
24:29
So this comment is posted by reddit user use
24:33
me and the first e is with a three use underscore
24:36
me underscore okay written four months ago so
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this would be February of 2026. I believe my
24:43
aunt and her partner saw one of these. They had
24:45
a cabin in West Virginia and both of them had
24:47
a dream of a predator baboon looking thing was
24:50
peering in their bay windows of the bedroom.
24:52
They later were driving through an old campground
24:55
and saw this thing leading to discovery of each
24:57
other's dreams. They had no idea what a devil
25:00
monkey was. After she told me about this, I informed
25:03
her of such shit. Said it hopped across the road.
25:06
fairly close in front of their truck. They looked
25:08
at each other and said something along the lines
25:10
of, I thought I was just having a nightmare about
25:12
that thing. She told me this casually chilling
25:14
on the beach a few years ago. They sold the place
25:17
after. I can ask her whatever need be. Pretty
25:19
wild. She's odd, but not one to fuck around like
25:22
that. So even people already are seeing the baboon
25:25
guys, the devil monkeys. On the scale of cryptids
25:29
I'd like to hug or stay away from, I'm thinking
25:32
I'm closer to the stay away from these ones more
25:35
so than a Sasquatch. Sasquatch actually seems
25:38
a lot nicer than these guys overall. I think
25:40
it depends on the particular mood of the Sasquatch.
25:45
Yeah, but this seems like 100%. These things
25:47
are kind of just assholes. Oh, you're going to
25:49
get an asshole interaction with this. Yeah. Whereas
25:51
with the Bigfoot, it's the personality. Oh, yeah.
25:54
Whether he's hangry, things like that. Here's
25:56
the distinguishing thing, I think, is these seem
25:59
more wild animal like and out for blood. Except
26:03
unless they're on the West Coast. They have like
26:06
a sophisticated culture in sporting tradition
26:09
with a human head Yeah They're cultured though.
26:14
It doesn't yeah see in the Bigfoot. He is like
26:18
intelligent they are Mimicking they are Knocking
26:24
they are I don't know other stuff that I don't
26:27
feel like listing right now, but they seem much
26:30
more sophisticated i think and like maybe you
26:34
could catch them in a good temperament maybe
26:36
you could catch them in a bad one you don't want
26:38
to fuck with them but at least yeah in none of
26:41
these sightings did i get the idea that this
26:44
thing was sitting there thinking or doing something
26:46
with its brain like outside of the old tales
26:50
of old yeah and that's why i said that because
26:53
none of them they all seem to be instinct like
26:56
animal like wild animal but have you i'm interested
26:59
because i'm only so far into um where the footprint
27:03
ends which we haven't plugged that enough i don't
27:05
think in the last couple episodes it's been a
27:08
bit of a heavy big foot error right now in the
27:11
podcast Is there any mention of murdering? No,
27:16
not specifically. I'd have to look back. I don't
27:20
think there is. I don't think it's come up for
27:22
me as well. There's talks about death for sure,
27:28
but it's generally not attributed to the Bigfoot.
27:31
It definitely kills pets. Bigfoot definitely
27:33
kills pets. Like that's unfortunately part of
27:36
it. Yeah, I can't blame them for that. But yeah,
27:40
this episode was actually meant to like entail
27:42
all of North and South America. Actually, it
27:45
was meant to just be like monkey people sightings
27:47
around the world, and I had to limit it just
27:49
to North America because there are so many different
27:52
cryptid monkeys. Yes, they do, but they also
27:55
have cryptid monkey creatures like Bigfoot. yeah
27:59
it's called the mono grande it's weirder in an
28:02
area where monkeys are not native to the area
28:05
yeah just big foots are native to the area so
28:08
it's much weirder when you get like a regular
28:10
monkey i know because the cop can actually just
28:15
say oh you saw a monkey yeah are you sure you
28:19
didn't see a big bush Are there any more reddit
28:24
sightings of monkeys? No, that was the only one
28:26
I could find. There probably is more, but man
28:29
can it be hard to search reddit sometimes. Yeah,
28:32
it can be hard. And like, devil ape or devil
28:35
monkey sightings ended up coming up with far
28:37
too many people who saw the devil. Yeah, and
28:39
sometimes not all reddit sightings are good.
28:42
That's true, not like this one. We only give
28:48
you the best of what we find on Reddit. But yeah,
28:51
there's a ton of like sub types of Bigfoot sightings
28:55
just in North America, where there are like distinct
28:58
species that are distinct from what we normally
29:00
think of as Bigfoot. And I thought it'd be fun
29:02
to just look at one of them here and say, like,
29:05
these are the monkey -like ones with actual tails.
29:08
They're different than the Bigfoot. Yeah. for
29:11
what I've learned in this episode. And the hilarious
29:14
thing is, is like Bigfoot's an undiscovered cryptid
29:17
species. They're doing the work of breaking it
29:19
down into subcategories of Bigfoots. Yeah, the
29:22
Bigfoot are, right? Yeah. Did I understand that
29:24
properly? The weird people like us who like to
29:27
talk about the Bigfoots. Right, right. And that's
29:31
probably a good enough spot to end that because
29:32
I was so eloquent with it. I have been Taylor,
29:35
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