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Episode 1654 - The History of the Energy Crisis · Drinkin‘ Bros Podcast

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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, welcome to drink in bro's kids got a fun little Friday guess for you here today.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We got Douglas Bruns here aka Doug.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Doug Bruns got a new book out called the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Roman house revolutionaries in the forgotten Titans who fueled
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  [SPEAKER_02]: the world.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now we're pre-recording this because we're in the temp studio here, while the other ones getting built directly next door.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So Doug, we don't know if you made the New York Times bestseller list or not because it's Tuesday, and that doesn't drop till 5pm tomorrow on Wednesday.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How do you think your chances are?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I have a good chant if we're going by the numbers.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The New York Times is a little bit of a
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're more forces at play, so to speak, but if we're just going by the numbers, I think I have a pretty good shot of making it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's talk about the major force and play here, Doug.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Who are you married to?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because I have a feeling, call me crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to have something to do with this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it comes with pros and cons, of course.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: My wife is Megan Kelly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, used to be at Fox and NBC and now has her own show.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: had some things to say about the times that are not great on now on just wonderful being married to Megan Kelly.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, George is not for an author who's trying to hit the New York Times best selling less.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Typically, they frown on every single conservative.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Before we started the show, we talked about me and my buddy Matt Bess.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We did ours and beat Michelle Obama by 27,000 copies and we ended up number five somehow, but number one and every other list there was, so I understand it and then a lot of people over it, Fox over the years.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I have bitched about it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Jeanine Pyro was one of the best examples.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember her book.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: She had a came in at like number six and not even on the list whatsoever.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, being married to Megan Kelly does not help with the New York Times best sellers, but tell us about the book here and what made you write it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The lost empire of a manual Nobel, he's the nephew of Alfred Nobel of the Nobel prizes and inventive dynamite.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But Emmanuel Nobel pioneered the Russian oil industry in the late 1800s in the south of the Russian empire.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: By World War I, he had the biggest oil company in the world.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone was, it was our first mechanized war.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There was the first time we're using airplanes and ships were on fuel oil and trucks.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so everybody was after Nobel's oil.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Most people in the West don't know the name, Emmanuel Nobel.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We only know Alfred, because he was outside of Russia this time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: but a manual Nobel was a much bigger industrialist, a much bigger knee in that time, but he had a collision with Joseph Stalin after the Bolshevik Revolution.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And what Stalin did to Nobel as a result of that collision in the communist takeover of Russia, became the inspiration for what George Orwell
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  [SPEAKER_01]: did with his novel, 1984.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a passage in that novel about changing the street names and ripping down the statues and rewriting the history.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and the Communists did to Emmanuel Nobel, completely erased his legacy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So in the West, it's a crazy story, but in the West, we don't really know it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why is that?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It racers a big thing in communism just in general, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's because
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  [SPEAKER_00]: for a number of reasons, not just communism, but authoritarianism, a general.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't admit any kind of fault, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's because the government takes the role of God in a lot of ways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is my opinion anyways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we just saw it in China, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So Marco Rubio, since 2014, I think it's been on the sanctioned and banned list in China.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So they changed the way his name was spelled in Chinese so that he could come for this state visit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: because they couldn't admit that they were fucking wrong before, obviously, that's a problem.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So they just have to like, they have to literally go into their own rulebook and change a rule or change his name.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh, that's shit, never half of what you talking about.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Any admission of any kind of guilt or failure or anything like that is completely off the table for these people.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So when you, when you are,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's because those systems, those like utopian systems, a government require a hundred percent buying, otherwise they can never work.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Jordan, they can't work without that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So you have to eliminate any kind of dissent.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And even the thoughts and people's head becomes dissent.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So if there's a sign out there and people look at that sign and think about fucking trotsky here, they think about somebody else, like, nah, I can't have that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be Joe's a style in all the time around here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: killed a means.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And as far as what's going on today, the interesting part about your book is we're dealing with oil.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the hot topic around the nation right now and around the world.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And you're looking at the crisis that we're having here regarding Iran and everything else that's going on.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Tell us how the two kind of parallel each other if you will.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: you open up any newspaper on any given day, that's the story, you know, whether it's been as well of Russia, the Middle East.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And this instance with Nobel is really the very first of the oil wars.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: World War I was the first mechanized wars.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned the first time petroleum became critical for national security.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like for armies it's more important than food all of a sudden.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Nobel had the the most abundant oil reserves in the world.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so after
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  [SPEAKER_01]: in Russia, 1917, Nobel had escaped to this sort of refugee attempt, or some of the Roman obbs, another aristocrats were hiding behind the white army well, Stalin's red army was kind of spreading throughout Russia, and coming for Baku, Nobel's whole oil enterprise was in the south of the Russian Empire along the Caspian Sea and Baku, which is modern day, Azerbaijan.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he wrote to the British who were sort of wrapping up the peace terms of World War I,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, Stalin's coming for the oil.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Baku was presently held by about a thousand British troops and this is like now in 1918 or early 1919.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, if you don't reinforce your position, the red army is going to take the oil and then they're going to win this Russian civil war and then the communist world have completely taken over control of Russia.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he writes this in the spring of 19.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he says, by August, Stalin will be here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If he doesn't get the oil by August, the communist army is done.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the British are considering sending some troops, but they just fought this four-year catastrophic war.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They hadn't spent anything on social programs.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't muster support to send any troops and Churchill was saying this thing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He was saying, if we send 100,000 troops, we can nip communism in the bud.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't do it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And things play out exactly as a manual Nobel had predicted, Stalin and the Red Army show up.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They take back who, they take Nobel's oil, and they win the Civil War,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We have a communist regime for the first time anywhere on the planet.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So what, what do you think the outcome is going to be with Iran?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Dan and I were talking about this earlier on the show.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think either side can come away with, you know, total victory of what they want.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Certainly not Iran.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously they've been extremely weakens with the strikes.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: with us and Israel together and all that other shits.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think if they were able to fend it off and keep some of the nukes or something like that, they could declare that a win and U.S. got out of there and we just stood up to the big United States of America and all that other shit were on the U.S. side.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to put troops on the ground, Trump ran on that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He said he wasn't going to do it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so far, we have it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But as this keeps dragging on in the oil prices are high, more and more people are getting pissed off on a daily basis.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And if this continues throughout the summer, you're going to start losing small businesses in everything else.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm describing, yeah, we got, I don't care what we claim as victory.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember those newspaper headlines coming around?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: photos of 12 pretty hot girls and Trump's like we rescued the hot women right it was in the in the New York post they had it and like the perfect Trump victory we saved some beautiful women whatever he declares as the victory I don't care what just get out I mean I'll buy into whatever he says it is
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If it's 12 hot girls that we saved or, you know, whatever, open up the street, get the gas prices down.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just get out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely don't want to send troops out that way.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to get out of this war.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree, and I think the Republicans need it as a party with the midterms coming up in the fall.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's been some momentum in other states as far as his GOP backed candidates.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They seem to all be winning.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll find out tonight in regards to John Cornin.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: If he is out of there as well, and that'll be another victory for him too.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, look, for me, obviously I voted for him and I'm a fan of his and what he's doing and I believe in it, but right now everything was going well, in my opinion, for
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  [SPEAKER_02]: first year and a half or year and change of his term.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And now we're kind of stuck in this right now.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm with you.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever the fucking thing is, if it's the 12 hot girls or whatever, we just need to get out of there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we've decimated these new facilities and enough to where it would take 10 to 15 years to repair at this point.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: or even try to put back together if they can.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, certainly they're going to do it because it's Iran, let's face it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's the caveat with any diplomacy, but especially when the regard to the Middle East and communist in general, but the Iranians are basically communist in my opinion.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's always we'll see and maybe, maybe, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for how long you never know, because those folks aren't gonna negotiate in good faith.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Why should they?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's it's not the it's not even it's not even like an evil empire or something and they won't negotiate in good faith anybody that's transacted anybody that's bought a fucking DVD in the Middle East knows exactly what I'm talking about There's no fucking price tag.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, what do you got?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean what I got?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me how much the goddamn DVD cost.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to slap you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's eventually where you had to get to with these assholes, but yeah, I mean it's knowing who you're negotiating with and
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  [SPEAKER_00]: whether or not they have the, this is what I said from the outset of this thing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to know who you're actually negotiating with and whether or not they've got the juice in country to make sure it happened.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And now part of that obviously in a diplomatic situation like this in a tenuous situation inside of a ran is that we can't take offense at every single stupid thing that happens because.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If the guy that you're trying to promote for power doesn't have full power yet, that some wild shit's going to go down, Iran has developed what they call a mosaic defense, which means in the absence of central leadership, attack whatever you can, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a dumb move, by the way, it's a very smart move, and it's served them well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now our only real option is to make sure that the other country, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, etc., have some hand at this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: because just like with a racket of fantasy and white faces are going to march into any brown country and make any kind of difference.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It'll never fucking happen.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Doug, for you, in regards to the book, how did this all shake out?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: with brand.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not with Iran, just with the oil in general, that that, that, you know, histories, often repeats itself and blah, blah, like we know the phrases and the fun things.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How did it resolve in the situation in which you were writing about versus potentially either escalating or resolving in today's society?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the way it resolved with Nobel is that the Communists did, of course, take over.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They did kick out the British and they took over back who, then they, they wrote a letter to Nobel.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Said it was citizen Nobel, summoning him to Moscow because Stalin was in Lenin's years.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we got to get the oil, of course, this is the future.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We need this for our armies, Lenin's saying, well, that's great.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: However, we don't have anyone in our Communist regime who knows how to,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: run an oil company.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So we need their cooperation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they want to nationalize it, but they need all the Nobel executives to stick around there and drill it and refine it and distribute it, otherwise it slows to a trickle.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they managed to coerce a number of Nobel executives to stick around and keep the pumps going.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then Nobelle did escape and then we had sort of the craziest solution because it wasn't a question of who the buyer was going to be so much as who the seller was going to be because no bell saying this is all my stuff and I can sell it or run Where is Stalin and Lenin and Trotsky are saying no, no, we've naturalized it it's our stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're both trying to do deals with the oil that they each say they now own and so at the end of the day.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The other complicating thing was, you know, it's a little bit similar to a random who's going to run that country.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the world was saying, who's going to be running Russia like Stalin, Lenin, Trotsie, these guys have never run anything in their lives, let alone this massive empire.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they all assumed that Bolsheviks would last, you know, a couple weeks, maybe a few months at the most.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so standard oil, Rockefeller's team comes along and says,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe no Bell's claim is going to win out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Bolsheviks are going to fall in their face.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No Bell is going to get restitution for all of his assets, all by it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So a manual from Paris sells half of his oil interests to a standard oil.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Trotsky and Lenin and Stalin are doing deals for the exact same oil assets with the British and other people.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Nobel's hope was that the U.S. government would never let their largest, most successful company get screwed over.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he thought, well, now I'm allied with the U.S. State Department.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If I do this sale, like I'm good, the State Department will never let the Communist take over everything.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so Rockefeller and I will then own this, rather than the Communist taking under percent of it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you mentioned that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, as we know, the State Department was not able to pull that off, and the Communist did prevail.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So in the end, standard oil, but the line was standard oil, bought a corpse, all the oil went to the communists.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Russia has been, as John McCain said, Russia is an oil company masquerading as a country.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been an oil company ever since.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, since the 1990s, I don't know that you could really even call Russia communist anymore.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe in parts of this residual communism, but the oligarchs run that country now for the most part, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the Nobel family, this is probably of all the examples in human history of how fucking stupid communism is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think this might be the best exas-wide courage people to read this book.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It might be the best example of how fucking dumb it is from the perspective of modernity because
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The people in Western countries who support communism, whether tacitly or openly are typically wealthy people, that have built industries or built identities inside of industries or something like that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The Nobel family built the largest petroleum industry on Earth, bigger than standard oil, actually, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And in terms of, I don't know about revenue, but of definitely a value.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was just snatched away from them because they could, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So this idea, like, one of the great things about, no, whatever beef you have with how the West has has evolved over the last couple of years or so, a couple of decades.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The idea that securing property rights is at the apex of an organized civilization should be ever present in your mind, because without that you have nothing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You as an individual have nothing if you don't have some system, some architecture of government that secures property rights, court systems, rules, enforcement mechanisms, and in the ability to defend yourself with a fucking gun if you have to.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have that shit, you don't have anything.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's exactly right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That reminds me there's this great book that was written by this Colombian economist called the mystery of capital.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was all about exactly what you're saying, which was that if you don't like people, if they don't have a title to their home, they're not able to use that as an asset that can then have a parallel life.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The minute you have a title, you can say, I already have a home worth $500,000.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You can take that to the bank, use that as collateral and get a loan for 300 grand.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have clear, legal, enforceable title to an asset, then that asset can't then be leveraged to start a business.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And once you have that, that's why the US is so great.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You have this home that's worth something, you take it to the bank, it's collateral, then you can get a few hundred grand loan on and start a business.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Without that, you can't accelerate growth in an economy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But what was so much about the kind of thing was that command economy is basically
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So Morgan and Rockefellers are looking to sort of pick the pieces of Russia after the Russian Revolution in 1917.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But like here we have this crazy captive market.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a built-in monopoly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We have a communist command economy where we can just tell everybody what to buy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is perfect for us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not only that, but you go forward a couple of decades and then in the early 90s.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that I personally didn't learn in any history class.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But in the early 90s, Gorbachev decided to undo some of the state-owned stuff and issue vouchers for private citizens to own parts of state-run industries like the oil industry and shit like that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And because everybody was fucking poor, they sold all their vouchers to the rich guys, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So they own they now have rubles for sure, but they own nothing they don't own shit and that's how the that's that was like the big wave of how the first set of augurs were created in Russia It's very interesting if you're bored on a Sunday or whatever you want to go look into that it's very interesting how that whole thing developed
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because there were like all these in my opinion that were all scams.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The government issued like 150 million citizens vouchers So that like the proletariat owns the fucking state run industries now except for they didn't have any You can't spend the vouchers on food So they had to sell them right or they were taking loans on those vouchers They could never pay them back, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So they were taking loans on those vouchers and paying back huge interest like
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Banks loan the government like $2 billion for those vouchers, basically, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a 95 or 96, I think you like them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, it was like, what are the largest transfers of wealth from the government to just a few people?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But through the middle class, basically, in all of human history.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it just like, it completely changed the way Russia does business.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the reasons, so it's one of the reasons they're still a
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Doug the beginning, like Roman Abramovich and that whole set of all of our, yeah, and then Doug, you know, you go, you flash forward here to to current day and I'll go back to, I forgot what that meeting was was a 2018 or Trump sat down with Prime Minister of Germany and everything else and said, hey guys, it was a Munich security.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, whatever.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it was.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And said, hey, if you don't get off the Russian teet here for energy, it's going to come back to Hauncha, and they all laughed out.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've played that clip on the show a few times over the years.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, once the war happened with Ukraine,
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: everybody's seeing what what is happening with that and Russia still controls how what's the percentage of of the energy that's flowing in there I'm I'm not sure about right now with the exact percentages, but I think it was up to third I think was still 30% and I think for LNG and shit like that it was 67 or 68% okay and so why didn't Europe learn from the past and
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: put that into the future in order for them to get out of the problems that they're currently in.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because that war is drug on, we're in what four and a half years of that, and you know, they're still trying to figure out an energy way around this, all these European countries.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't they learn from this story in history and apply it to current times?
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, you know, like this kind of applied history is why I'm so
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love this kind of history that you can it really does repeat itself if you read history you can anticipate the future it's so frustrating because you feel like it's right there like Why are people still thinking an inconvenient truth by allegor has anything
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: has done anything right, or why did New York City elect him, I'm dummy, who wants to, yep, basically move us toward communism.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like, it's right in front of our faces, how this stuff plays out.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear his thing, where he wants to seize property from landlords and give it to non-profits?
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said this morning.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's insane.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's insane.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You talk in about dude.
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only thing I heard him do so far that I thought was pretty good was he was going to reserve the tickets, a beautiful world.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for world cut.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like that one I can get behind, but literally that's the only thing.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's going to happen with that.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the aftermarket for tickets, all of it is a pipe for everything he says is a fucking pipe dream.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion, and, you know, even right now, he's praying around New York saying, I got us out of debt, and all that other seven was like, no, you got bailed out by the state of New York who gave you $8 billion, but guess what, you're going to be out of money here in another two weeks.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually, I don't know where you guys are set up, but everyone is leaving New York so much money is leaving the city.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know I were so we're in North Carolina right now and we were going over this couple of weeks ago before we left top three states that people are leaving are California, New York and Texas ironically is also on that list because property taxes and the cost of living and all that other stuff and they got their own issues with Muslims and
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a whole another show with epic city.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you'll cover that in a book one day The history of that fucking religion Jesus Christ, but yeah, I mean you look at it and if you're Democrat I would not attach the word socialism to anything it has never worked in the history of man Why would this magically work in in you know the biggest city in the world in New York City?
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can just see it, it's less safe.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: People are, you know, everyone's revolting by the way.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Once you've lost like the Hollywood left, he's clearly going to be a one-term guy.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: He even bends still or, and some of the other Hollywood folks, it really kind of helped him momentum to get him elected have turned.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, help me figure that one out because, yes, to your point, they all helped him get elected.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: All of them were coming in, shaking hands, kissing babies, going on social media, saying, we got to elect this guy and it's going to be great, and it's going to be change and working class, it's going to change, none of it fucking changed, it's only gotten worse.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now they distance themselves because, well, they're rich enough.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't give a fuck, like at the end of the day, it was like, well, got that one wrong, moving on to the next one, but nobody wants to hold any of these people accountable for it.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I totally, it's like he had a charming smile.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He seemed like a nice guy.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's given away lots of free stuff.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be free seeing and speedy run and grocery stores and none of it's working.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: None of it's working.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, not of it, not of it ever could, right?
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is, you know, it's just like,
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much more people can tell that story.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much more people can tell the story that there's nothing for free.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you have to buy into the scam almost and that it's why it's so attractive, right?
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's, I really believe in Handlet's Razor that
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot more incompetence than there is malice out in the world, but some of it seems a little intentional and there's a squeeze on economic centers And then all of a sudden some asshole shows up with a pearly white smiles.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just give you some free shit and like all right, man I think maybe maybe this guy is full of shit, right?
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's and it every it's as it ever worked has it ever worked or or could it you know mathematically I don't think it could work Only it back to this book a little bit because
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things, there is a, there is a guy because we were talking about Russia, maybe think of it.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a dude called the Merchant of Death that we traded for Brittany Griner a couple years ago.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Remember that?
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was the greatest train in WME history.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely for her.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Alfred Nobel, known for the Nobel Prize, was once known as the Merchant of Death.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me the story and how his lesser known family member here
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a crazy story behind the Nobel Prizes, like the origin story of Nobel Prizes.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Alfred Nobel has two brothers.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alfred goes back to Sweden.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: His two brothers are in Russia.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're buying land in Baku.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're starting the oil business.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: In 1888, one of these brothers died, live big Nobel.
• 25:55
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• 25:56
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• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's already a very rich oil tycoon.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it makes the newspapers around the world that he has died, in France, where Alfred Nobel of the Nobel Prizes is living, the newspapers get it wrong, and they print the obituary, not for Ludwig Nobel, who died, but for Alfred Nobel, who's alive and well.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Alfred wakes up in the morning, opens up the newspaper, and reads his own obituary.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: that calls him a merchant of death for having invented dynamite.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's responsible for more death and destruction than any one of the history of humankind.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just goes on to completely rip him a new one.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's he finished his reading is obituary.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, a live and well, and thanks, oh my God, I cannot be remembered this way.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he rewrites his will.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's already a super rich guy from having invented dynamite.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he decides to leave the bulk of his fortune to the establishing of a Nobel Prize that is gonna give away money and honor someone who's done the most for the benefit of humankind in the prior year.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So then fast forward in 1996, we actually does die.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now Alfredo Bell dies.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: An annual Nobel who's sort of taking over the family leadership in Russia is the executor of the will.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that translates in Russia to an executor of the soul.
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he takes the responsibility really seriously.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when Alfred died of 33 million in croner, he left 31 to establish the Nobel Prizes and then two went to the rest of the family.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the rest of the family's thing with Jesus, we thought we were going to be totally loaded after Alfred
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, well, I got this tiny amount, the rest is going to this crazy prize.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the king of Sweden didn't want it because he thought Alfred was, you know, unduly influenced by pacifists and this Nobel Peace Prize thing was, you know, not something that you get involved with.
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he pulls him manual aside and says, don't do this prize.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then give him money to your family.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You gotta ignore this well.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The family, of course, is saying, yes, give us the money, don't do the prize.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But Emmanuel takes his role as custodian of the soul very seriously.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he tells the king to forget it.
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• 32:00
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• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is DOSED-A-I-L-Y.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is, that's one of my favorite stories actually because there's a, it's not only like a crazy story in a weird situation, but it's also like, you had a guy who was
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: in a position where he had been, look, he got a good deal from Standard Oil, I guess.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the family was like, look, this Soviet's have fucked us over, we got to do something here.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And still, the guys more worried about his reputation than he is about taking care of his family.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, all right, I mean, cool.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alfred Nobel, the guy we remember for the Nobel Peace Prize, who was once known for the merchant of death, and if people knew the story, they would think,
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a big deal dude.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want the award.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just I'm like Trump.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want the fucking award just to say that I have it Okay, yeah, I don't even know about the guy.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Obama got one for being black.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why can't I get one?
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you got to go in black face again.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll do that if that's what's necessary.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll do that because I want the award and I think that's the only way to do it Yeah, because you know like when you win the New York to earn not win When you get a New York Times best seller, they don't give you anything.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know that, right?
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to go buy the newspaper and clip it out and put it in the frame all by yourself.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I told this story to the audience and they didn't believe me and I was like, no, no, you get nothing.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no plaque.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no statue.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no George Floyd kind of with my armorounds on a park bench.
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get any of that shit and yeah, dude, you just clip it out
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've got a couple best sellers on your resume right now.
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Couple New York Times best sellers on your resume here.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was the victory for that?
• 42:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: What did your agent say and all that other stuff?
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got a champagne emoji and then I never heard from a penguin ever again.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: My agent actually, it's funny to say that because my agent, if I don't want to like get off cam here, but just on the other side of the room, there is a framed picture of the New York Times paper with the last book was the mysterious case of Rudolph Diesel, the man who invented the diesel engine and then disappeared.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he did get a copy of the New York Times and he did a whole sort of cutout thing and put it in the frame.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So my agent gave me something very nice, but nothing from the actual New York Times.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: My mother's a piece of shit.
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got nothing from him.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and he's the head of lid over at UTA.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's all great.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a piece of listening.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: it's not like a once a year thing.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: If it was a once a year thing, I could have just been given out awards or whatever the fuck would.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: There could be a new New York Times bestseller every single fucking week.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: There could be, but a lot of them hang around.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm here's the thing.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you got me on a bad day today.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you happen to talk, if you hit, they should set a standard where if you hit a certain amount of time, like multiple weeks, you should get something.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree so to that point dug my last book shit was out in November number one in hardcover rad got that fiction awesome audio book comes out It's called the final interested right next me here comes out.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was it?
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh shit, there's a month to go today, a month to go today.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was number two behind James, which had just won the the other award, the Pulitzer Prize.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was for audio, because I spaced out the audio and the hardback obviously for more money and you understand that.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the way it should be and we're actually
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I need to talk to you offline about why you're doing that if that's better.
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I need to know that way better because now it's switch 80% of book sales or audio versus physical hard copies, but it's easiest to make the the New York Times list via a hard cover because it's more expensive Whereas everybody has audible and all the other stuff
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I don't know what the Pulitzer Prize is, I don't know who gave it to this fucking book, but I finished number two, Doug, and I was pretty pissed off about it, and I was going looking for back-to-back, number one, didn't happen there because of this goddamn thing.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But whatever the Pulitzer Prize is, I want that as well.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's an actual award.
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobel Peace Prize, that's an actual award.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You get to hold something I could put it on my empty desk and give 20, too.
• 44:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty big check.
• 44:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stop, is it really getting money for that, too?
• 44:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I'm not about the Pulitzer, but that no value definitely get a decent one.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what, isn't it 1.3 million or something like that?
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know, yeah, you know, this is all noble.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can look it up, but I, I, Luke looked that up.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: How much she's gone for buying Nobel Peace Prize?
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: at one point three million you might be right uh... it's eleven million croners are right now that's one to one point one seven but it's the last time i looked against the croners i do it well the last time i looked it was one point three
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, damn dude.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want that.
• 45:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You want to hear another funny story.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Albert Einstein obviously won a Nobel Prize for his Miracle Year Papers in 1905 special relativity in general relativity, right?
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... who became his caretaker for the rest of his life wow dude looking at that man i mean a lot of weird story surrounding this no bell character yeah i don't know if he's got any fucking connection to that one yeah you're all caught up in fuel man you got oil in this one you got the diesel engine in the last one you love the fucking energy man look is it because of the power of it
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like energy is the power of everything we do in this world.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is what got me going a little bit.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got on to the diesel story because I bought this old boat and I repowered it to diesel engines and I started learning about how diesel works.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Totally different kind of engine, which I had never realized before.
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I've written fiction in the past and I came across, you know, looking for ideas for a new novel and I came across this list of mysterious disappearances at sea and Rudolph diesel was on the list.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that was the beginning of a non-fiction book about decil and his crazy disappearance.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a totally bizarre, crazy story.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no bell, then I got into a bell story because no bell was the business partner of Rudolph decil.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He took the license for the decil engine and the Russians here.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he was the world's outside of Germany.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was the world's biggest manufacturer of decil.
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was building him for Russian submarines and ships and power plants and hunting oil in the wells and stuff like that.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were contemporaries in business partners, so I've kind of
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: in this, you know, turn to the sensory period with no bell and diesel.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe you'll pump that up and kind of look at the next one here that's coming up, because, you know, we're building all these data centers to power AI and chips and manufacturing and all that other stuff.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's going to require a totally separate set of energy.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And some people can't keep up.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we can't keep up.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So our story is already done.
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, we can't.
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: They've already gone bankrupt.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're not keeping up.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So was it Chris Wright who had, yes, Chris Wright was testifying before the Senate sometime last year, I remember.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And some dipshit, liberal was like, oh, we're in a clean energy race with China.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, no, we're in an energy race with China.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody cares about your clean energy bullshit.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we're behind in a lot of ways.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like China.
• 47:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: not to China specifically, no, because they're fucked in other ways.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're behind from the pace that we should be on.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the same way that like you, we've got a growing company, we need capital to operate, we don't energy is the capital to operate in business.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like when you're talking about technology, energy compute as it were,
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: as the energy you need or the capital you need to compete in these businesses, and we need to build 30 fucking nuclear reactors in the next 10 years.
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or we're fucked.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not fucked.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: The civilization's not going to end, but none of the stuff we're trying to do is going to work if we don't have the energy for it.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we're not like there's
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So far as I can tell, there is no plan for this.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're still only capable of generating two to five small modular reactors a year.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be in competition with Germany now because that their chancellor's now trying to get the five or six new nuclear plants to build there.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when I say competition, I mean, to get things built, not they're no competition for us.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: MERS wants to get to rebuild the nuclear plants that they decommissioned over the last 15 years because they realize they're fucked because of their bi-rushed energy.
• 48:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, if we don't, I don't know that anybody has a plan.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would see in anybody's plan for this.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard anything from the administration about building nuclear plants.
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the fuck's going on there.
• 49:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of private companies are talking about getting SMRs and building full-scale nuclear reactors and stuff like that, but it's the cleatest form of energy period.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we got to do something about it.
• 49:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like for me personally, we're using Grok a lot for work.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I've got the advanced one.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go in 720p.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's it's popping out 10 second videos.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm editing against those.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I I'd notice with just my phone is it gets really fucking hot.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: After let's say I do seven or eight of these goddamn things.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I wake up in the morning recently.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is just over the course of the last, let's call it three to five weeks.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Battery's dead my
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: dying in the middle of the night and something is going on and that's the only noticeable difference that has happened in the year over the course of the last three to five weeks here.
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are you looking at energy in the future and is that maybe how you extend a series like this because it does seem like there is this race right now to who can build and harness the most energy to support all of these programs and ideas and
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: jobs that we're going to be using in the near future.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Nobel and the diesel stories basically are the couple decades leading up to World War One and then a little bit after my next one is going to be in that same time space, you know, like 1880 to 1930 range.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I haven't really gone all the way to present today, although I will say with diesel like it's still diesel that's still our number one power source nuclear would be great.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need we need more nuclear.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like clean and and can kind of bridge the gap there, but you still see like every cargo ship around the world anything for the, you know,
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: 18 foot wailer for the most part of all diesel every every there I think that one nuclear powered cargo ship that wasn't really very good so that's all still diesel anything on the road bigger than a passenger car diesel plus a third of the passenger cars around the world are diesel it's incredible for a technology it's part of a hundred years old still the and it and it operates today largely on the same principle that Rudolph diesel
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, came out with an 1897.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's still diesel still the number one power source.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I can't believe it, actually.
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's versatile.
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the reason, right?
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can make diesel out of fucking vegetable, like use cooking oil.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like,
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: that engine is, it's, but it's expensive.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is right now, yeah, but just that engine in general is insane.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: The way that it works, it's the AK47 of fucking engines, period, right?
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can throw that motherfucker down a ravine and pick it up and turn it on right now.
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's insane, the way the thing works.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and go multiple fuels.
• 51:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could, you know, you can get some kitchen grease.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Willie Nelson to get a tour 15 years ago or so.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he made a big breast deal about driving around in this tour bus.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: with a desolension running on recycled kitchen grease at a restaurants where they'd stop in.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it can burn a range of stuff.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It can burn petroleum, which it mostly does, petroleum-based diesel fuel.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It could also burn bio-vigital oil-type based fuels, as well.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, the last few weeks on this show, I've been talking about the cyber truck.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I finally got one of these cyber trucks.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: They got the price in half, there was 69 grand.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, all right, I'll give this a shot.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: This was pre-iron shit.
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like, I'd ordered it and everything else and I got lucky because it's only like 20 bucks to fill up.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a bunch of stations everywhere.
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: However, what I was telling the audience was, you can't tow anything in that.
• 52:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't put anything heavy in that.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: including our business, hardy of sensor, like it still requires diesel trucks to get out on the road and fucking deliver this from place to place to place.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: When will that eventually switch?
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or will we ever get out of diesel?
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not anytime soon.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every cargo ship around the world, as I said, it's still on it.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, nuclear might be the answer, you know, for at least a really huge stuff.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But still, like you talked about electric cars, that electricity comes from somewhere, it does.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It does.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a diesel-fired power plant that's providing the electricity that gas in the electric car.
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So somewhere down the line, it's diesel for the most part.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you've got to read, we talked about this when you were on citizen not too long ago, but we've had Alex on the show about Alex Epstein's fossil future as a book that everybody should read.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great book, to be honest.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: the diesel that we use producing our food, for example, there is no plan to replace that.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: This idea that we're just going to go fucking clean all of a sudden and still live is retarded nonsense.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the dumbest shit of all time.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention the cargo that's shipped everywhere.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no plan for that nor should there be.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's what will be the purpose.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why would we replace something that's
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: efficient doesn't make any efficient and efficient reliable and versatile why we replace that that's dumb right that there's nothing on unless you have nuclear rods that are easily hot swappable and accessible for all these giant boats shipping stuff around all the time who fucking cares why are we even like why would anybody be thinking about changing that out
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think for the future, 50 years from now, we will still be using diesel cargo ships.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: You think so?
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, 100%.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because like I'm reading one of the top stories here today is NASA unveiled this plans for human moon base, bases, multiple bases up there, and how are you powering all that?
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like if we have these ambitions to go to Mars and put
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: moon bases on the moon, which, like it sounds ridiculous to me, maybe I'll be alive for him, maybe I won't.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?
• 54:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm one of those guys who could drop dead tomorrow, wouldn't fucking shock anybody, obviously, but like what is the grand plan for all of this shit in regards to energy?
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we keep doing this over and over and over again, an Artemis was awesome.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was cool to see and it was a fun start, but if we're going to do this and try to make a real go of it into either the moon or Mars or wherever
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't know that there's a plan for it, but you guys are hinting, you're getting close to like what my next book is going to be, it starts in this same period of decades leading through World War I and it's much more focused on aviation and like engines and aviation.
• 55:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a fascinating kind of look into in particular like the German
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It got a little bit sidetracked by guring and the Luftwaffe.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's something happened.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's something happened.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I remember anything.
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what was that?
• 55:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I should say.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do some of the...
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm blanking.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the contraptions they were building over there were fucking nuts, man.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like give a five-year-old an engineer's brain, like an adult engineer's brain.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were trying to build a tank that was the size of this fucking building.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's like, what are you guys doing?
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Calm down.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds sweet and, you know, look, you see one of these cyber trucks rolling around and seeing the same thing.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, that seems ridiculous.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember when that first got unveiled, I was like, there's no fucking way that I'll ever hit the road.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then it did.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: But some of these ideas are so far fetched that you're like, holy shit, it's actually happening and I can't fucking believe it.
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when yours, obviously you're going back to that period in history there, what fascinates you so much?
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: to continue this journey all the way through history like this.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am especially fascinated a period of time where the world I feel like went on a hinge, but World War I kind of set us on a whole new path of how Europe and America was living.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was the advent of the world's fairs where technology and medicine and science were making huge leaps for the first time
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of goes back before things were set.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it wasn't really a done deal.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was set deal to petroleum, but even be the fuel of the 20th century.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, as we've discussed, there are different options, where you reason like methane and benzene and natural gas in combustion engines, prior to using gasoline.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: and selling on liquid fuels, the way a plane was designed wasn't even set.
• 57:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we take for granted, all of these things around us that we see every day.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But 120 years ago, none of that was even settled.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the idea that we would have a mono plane.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And World War I, there were biplanes, triplanes that even tried planes that had six wings layered over top of each other, just crazy stuff.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: They thought that might be better, you know, where were the engines go, there were some designs, you know, talking about what giant tanks, there were designs for these massive massive planes that the Germans were coming up with as, you know, sort of parallel to their rocket programs.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But all of these designs that we see every day that we think, okay, you know, gas and petroleum, that's the fuel, planes look like this, trains look like that,
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: None of that was really set back in the turn of the last century.
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's fastened to look at some of these inventors who were taking on these ideas.
• 58:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then when you look at which ideas actually went out in the end, it's often that the inventor himself is not the decisive factor in that.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It might be that Rockefeller determines the kind of combustion in his order to have because he's got the fuel,
• 58:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so rather than using fuel based on soy beans or corn or something like that, I'll make sure the business case for that, I'll just make that impossible.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to end up using gas and the engines that use gasoline will win.
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did the same thing with carousene lamps.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: There you would go around to China and other markets that had different kinds of illumination technologies that could burn you the natural gas or other things.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he would give away free lamps that burns standard oils carousene.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And people are like, oh, here's this free lamp works pretty well.
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's sort of dumped cheap carousine on the market.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone start using these carousine lamps.
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then he sort of raised the price a little bit.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he kind of rigged the outcome of which technology would win.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's fascinating to see that all play out.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like all the assumptions that we have didn't, it didn't have to be that way at all.
• 59:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's fun to go back to the beginnings when it was wide open.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then see what forces were play to determine which
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: which would went out.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is really interesting to see it because one of the things you learn about a product is if it requires something else, then that product is meaningless without that other thing, right?
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it which,
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: should occur to you if you're a businessman but sometimes it doesn't.
• 59:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you're like, this is people need this, this is a great idea, I can make it, I can make it cheap, I can distribute it, but it needs this other part or it needs this fuel source or it needs this other thing and I don't know that I'm going to have that.
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, actually, that is a business.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is that point with and going to aviation because I'm just immersed in this now and
• 1:00:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't clear whether the future for ADHD was going to be land planes or sea planes, because there were no airfields anywhere.
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were no runways.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to land them like a cleared field that was sort of bumpy, but there was water everywhere.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And every major city was pretty much near a big river or a lake or something like that.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so half the community thought, we're only going to build sea planes.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the future.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can land along this bay, this river.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, there's a little bit of hit to performance when you're in the air because you've got these basically pontoons that are sort of hanging on there, but the other half thought, no, no, it's going to be, you know, land planes and we'll develop the infrastructure, we'll clear some runways and, you know, the flight performance will be, we'll more than offset the difficulty for the infrastructure investment will have to make.
• 1:01:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of the things I think about is how fast automotive technology and plane technology would have gone relative to the way it did.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we went from by planes to jets relatively quickly as far as technology goes right, but I always wonder how quickly all that would have happened.
• 1:01:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: had the railroad industry in America not been so fucking stupid.
• 1:01:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like they had the monopoly on transportation.
• 1:01:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: They thought this is something that people learning in business school, I've mentioned this many times before.
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the lessons you learn in business school is that don't be so sure what business you're really in because it might not be what you think it is.
• 1:01:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: They thought they were in the railroad industry and it turns out they were in the moving stuff.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: products and people from one place to another industry, and then when cars came around, you could build a truck, right?
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: When planes came around, you could ship shit through the air.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: They should have had the inside track on infrastructure and capital for all of this stuff.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They are in logistics even, right?
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like how you take large products or whatever, a lot of stuff and move or one place to another is a very valuable skill to have or a very valuable thing
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: The railroad companies, nobody should have ever been able to compete with them.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the automotive industry, at least in truck shipping.
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when it came to air shipping as well, they had nothing to do with any of that.
• 1:02:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And who even thinks about, I mean, we still use railroads alive at who even thinks about that shit anymore.
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's so wild to me.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was always wondered how...
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: If in the 19 teens and 20s, had they been like, you know what, we need to get in on this vehicle thing and build some trucks and have truck, like start building, have automotive manufacturing factories, work with Ford or GM or whoever it needs to be and build them along our railroad lines and ship like that and use them as have that as a backbone of shipping throughout this country.
• 1:03:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Amazon wouldn't exist because it would have existed in 1950.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You want to meet like that system would have existed already just blows my mind how just narrow focus in business like that can change things for a hundred years.
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it's amazing.
• 1:03:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: The it's looking back at some of the aviation stuff as well.
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were making that case.
• 1:03:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it costs X amount to do it by a train, but then you've got to build this stuff X amount by car and there is sort of a business case by.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I sort of, you know, vector to get it around.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's knowing what your business is and then not fucking with it.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like today was another example of it's, and regards to when I was talking about electric cars earlier, Ferrari launched their new electric Ferrari and it's $640,000 and it looks just like a Nissan Leaf, which cost $35,000.
• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's identical and it's like, hey dude, you buy a Ferrari and spend all that money.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you can hear the engine rev and all that other cool shit.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you get a Ferrari for.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just the look, but it's also the feel and the noise and all that other stuff.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the Magnum K-I.
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you just, I drove that car by the way.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: My dad had a custom shop in the 90s and some collector in South Carolina bought.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there was six of them, I think.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: The actual one?
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was six of them that they used during the production.
• 1:04:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he bought one at a, at a, what do you call it?
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: When auction auction yeah, what they do that stuff and it was in my dad's shop for two weeks getting some undercarriage work done to it I drove the fuck out of that did you really that's dope I couldn't grow mustache yet though.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's that it was the actual one from the show?
• 1:04:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was one of the two that he actually drove around on the show So there was like six there were there were three or four of them that were prop vehicles and there was two that they were they actually drove around I drove one of those
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was fucking sweet.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, the only car I have ahead of that is OJ's Bronco.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'd love to go down the 405 and that, just just one last victory lap and just head right down the 405.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll tell you what, whatever the top's behind.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: When we find the real killers, we'll do that.
• 1:05:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Doug, I hate to say this.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, I know you're probably in the midst of kind of doing research for it and everything else on the new book.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, though, dog, you should be looking for the real killers and the OJ Simpson thing.
• 1:05:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: A C still alive.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: A C still alive.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: OJ is not with us anymore.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, RIP, it's debatable whether he's looking up at us or down on us.
• 1:05:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea which one there is.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't seen this yet, you can go online and verify that I'm telling the truth right now.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a crazy internet conspiracy that
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: that Nicole Brown Simpson is also still alive and is actually Megan Kelly.
• 1:06:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've ever seen that?
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw it and then right next to it was a big foot that it's still on a child out of a west virginian holler and I kind of moved on with my life.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are some, if you find the right photo and wind up, they actually look pretty similar at times,
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, look, I'm also married to a hot blonde white.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, look, they all kind of look similar to be honest with you.
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it is what it is, but we're lucky in this life dog.
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: But when I look at Ferrari making a misstep like today, I mean, the jokes are fucking endless.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: This car is gonna fucking bomb and everything else.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's still amazing to me.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, go back to the historical aspect of this.
• 1:06:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah dude, history repeats itself over and over and over again and people will never get out of their own way.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, as much as you warn them, as many books as you write, uh, people will never get out of their own way.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, are you looking at something in the future that, uh, you're saying yourself, okay.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't correct this.
• 1:07:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: We could end up going back to this, uh, since you are in a stout fan of history.
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I think,
• 1:07:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: The one I come back to mostly on this, I did this great interview once on this panel.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was an honor to be on this panel with Commissioner Bratton, you know, he's run LAPD NYPD.
• 1:07:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's just a genius of law enforcement.
• 1:07:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he basically brought New York out of a, out of a really dark period with his broken windows theory, which is the idea is like fix the little things.
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, change the atmosphere.
• 1:07:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a broken window, you fix it.
• 1:07:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: If there's graffiti, you've pain over it.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, make it look nice, and then people will treat it nice, no, behave nice.
• 1:07:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that sort of thing, clean up the subways, and he basically did an incredible job reducing crime in New York.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then people get complacent and, you know, they feel like, oh, with this, stop and frist, like we need to be kinder, gentler, with the police, and then we need to back off and let people kind of, you know, not feel such an overbearing police presence.
• 1:08:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the crime starts coming back in and the graffiti comes back and the windows get broken and all of a sudden, it's a really dangerous place again.
• 1:08:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like that cycle only takes like 15 or 20 years to like go from one extreme to the other.
• 1:08:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just happens again and again and again, it drives me insane.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that sort of, I feel like we're in another downswing in New York City around how we're handling law enforcement and criminals and my kids are in their teens.
• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And at some point, I feel like it's an amazing experience to spend a little time living in New York City.
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get a job there, live there.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that that's the thing.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: If we don't get ahead of the law enforcement thing again, we're going to go back to a really ugly New York City, even though the next are winning, and it'll still suck there.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and by the way, it's not just New York City, it's, it's a lot of cities, man.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I lived in New York, went to grad school there in NYU, um, live back there a couple different times in my life for, for TV shows and whatnot, and, and I loved it, and I agree with you.
• 1:09:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those cities where, you know,
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: your past 18, it's a great place to learn social skills, navigates, you know, you've got the people on the street selling, shit, and everything else you can really make some relationships.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there truly is no other city like it, at least there wasn't.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And every morning I would wake up.
• 1:09:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's impossible not to feel alive with a million people out in the street in front of your face and you got to interact with actual humans.
• 1:09:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Slowly, that is started to erode across cities across America.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You look at Los Angeles, which I lived in for 15 years.
• 1:09:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: We chat about this on a show earlier today, but
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was a period of time where that city was great, same with New York.
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is all going downhill, and one or two more bad elections in these cities and you're fucked.
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at what Seattle's going through today.
• 1:09:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some of these communities, I don't know if you saw this this morning are starting to build walls around their communities and in their streets to try to keep people out in the violence out because there is no police to your points of what you said.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: However, you can't stop people from electing these people.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I see an article on Mondami being terrible, I've actually crossed over to sort of applauding that now.
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's so bad, he can't possibly be a two-teramer.
• 1:10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: As far as I'm concerned over the next couple years, the more bad news around Mondami, the better, and then we can get rid of this whole, horrible, socialist experiment once and for all.
• 1:10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so, or 25 years at least, at least I'm going to repeat itself.
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look, I hope so.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Mayor New York is a four-year job.
• 1:10:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he's he's in there.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like six months or something like that now.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: You were looking at four.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're looking at four my friends four months.
• 1:10:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's been in there.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's this bad.
• 1:10:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So imagine another 3.8 years dude.
• 1:10:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're you're I don't know.
• 1:11:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you can come back from that in today's time because everything's moving so rapidly.
• 1:11:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: You would have to have somebody come in and course correct pretty quickly let's just take what Trump's been able to do and just over a year and a half it was a lot you know the misstep was I ran so far we'll see what happens at the end of that but right now.
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: had been great.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see Trump get back to that first year of his administration in the second term, where he was crushing the domestic agenda, you know, men out of women's sports and yes, I'm the same deep.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the madness like that was great.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see a lot more of that.
• 1:11:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's, you gotta elect the right people.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't, and the city erodes too far, Los Angeles is right on that cliff right now, in my opinion.
• 1:11:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's been bad for so long there.
• 1:11:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, eventually I got out of there.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think in 2015, every year that I've gone back in the last 11 years, it keeps getting worse and worse and worse and worse.
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm trying to shrink these flights down to like four hours.
• 1:11:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think my last one was a record.
• 1:11:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I made it with Netflix, and I think it was out of there in under six.
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Including the meeting itself like a landed 11.
• 1:12:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: They bump the meeting up to two and I was like awesome And I was on a flight to 430 and I just had a backpack and it was I was like, holy shit What a fucking dream and I'm out of there.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, that was never the case beautiful beaches weather 78 and sunny every single day Yeah, dude, give me a leg give me a nice hotel give me something fun there But you have more election.
• 1:12:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, had it.
• 1:12:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all you had to do was not fuck it up with your dumb bull shit
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: New York had paradise, and it was under two different people, and I've said this in the show a million times, a Republican and a Democrat ran that city correctly.
• 1:12:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Giuliani and Bloomberg ran that city correctly, and it was all policies.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was mostly regarding safety and everything else.
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was not on the socialist bullshit.
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just, and maybe it's me, because the shit we're going through and seeing it across America, I just don't know how you get back there.
• 1:13:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: with another three point eight years a mom Donnie or this woman in Seattle or if Karen baskets back in there or one of these shitty governors again like I don't know how you get out of it.
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean a second term of mom Donnie would definitely be fatal but maybe you know I saw this interview that Jeff Bait is hosted the other day and it had me thinking if he could pull a
• 1:13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: but if any of them is in New York, maybe he could pull a Michael Bloomberg and take $1 salary and be mayor of New York for a little bit.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering if you was thinking about politics in this next act of his life.
• 1:13:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is, you have to talk about some sensible things for New York.
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the problem is when you're that rich, it's so much fun, I would imagine, obviously I'm not there or nowhere near it, but I imagine it's so fun.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You look at these jobs,
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it still amazes me that Trump even wanted this fucking job as president of the United States.
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so hard and it comes with such scrutiny.
• 1:14:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll go back to, I think it was Obama who actually said this, where he goes, dude, you take the job, you know day one, 50% of the country hates you.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 50%.
• 1:14:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you're already looking at 175 million people that are already five million people.
• 1:14:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: How does it seem like everybody likes Bloomberg for the most part?
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, because once he got out of there, do you remember he was the stop in Frisk guy?
• 1:14:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: You were talking about earlier.
• 1:14:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, stop question in Frisk.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, was that what it was?
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 1:14:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:14:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: People call it stop in Frisk, but it's actually stop question in Frisk, which is still, I think, a violation of the fourth amendment.
• 1:14:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: my personal opinion, but whatever, it was safe as shit, dude, and I liked it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I had a good time in New York City.
• 1:14:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Constitution is more important than your personal safety, but yeah, like the that all of garden has been in time square forever, dude.
• 1:14:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's the greatest Italian restaurant in New York City.
• 1:14:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't safer in New York from what 12 to 14 or whatever, or from 8 to 14 then it was under Bernie Carrick after Bratton straightened things out with a broken window theory.
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:15:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just to tell you, look, that's statistically that's true.
• 1:15:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was good under Bloomberg.
• 1:15:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: He continued what Giuliani had done, but it wasn't safe for under him with that.
• 1:15:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm saying that it's stage relatively the same.
• 1:15:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't notice a fucking difference, which I think is what every American wants at the end of the day.
• 1:15:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We want comforts.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to notice a difference in things, and you don't want drastic swings that are going on in America right now.
• 1:15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just fear,
• 1:15:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: If one of these shit birds gets in there one more time and L.A. they're done.
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: If another mom donny ends up or he ends up getting a second term in New York, they're done.
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: You live there, right?
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nearby.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in the burbs now, but I think I know where you live.
• 1:15:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's where my agent lives by the way.
• 1:15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me talk about that off here.
• 1:15:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But with that being said,
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Would you get out of there, if he got in again, would you end up getting out of there?
• 1:15:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's the final straw for somebody still in that area to say, hey, I got to get the fuck out of here, man, like this is it?
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm kind of out, I'm not in New York State at this point and I'm very happy about that.
• 1:16:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would not go back.
• 1:16:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking at some point, you know, when you get old, people say New York City is the greatest retirement
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, community, you've got elevators everywhere.
• 1:16:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can be an old person living in New York City and thrive.
• 1:16:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was thinking that, you know, once my kids are out, and, you know, as you guys were saying about New York City, you walk out your part and you enter the world, you see millions of people, there's so much to do.
• 1:16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I would, but I would not move back in, you know, in this situation.
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's way, it's funny to say that.
• 1:16:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.
• 1:16:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: My wife was the same way.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: She always said, I want to spend the second half in New York City of life.
• 1:16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was once the kids are graduated and all that other other stuff.
• 1:16:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to go to New York.
• 1:16:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
• 1:16:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got elevators.
• 1:16:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got rides all around the city.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got...
• 1:16:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: some of the best food, culture, all that other stuff, and that is completely changed first, where that is out the window, and it's like, okay, cool, it's fine to beach, somewhere, which is where we're at now, and actually enjoy life versus trying to fight this shit that's going on there, because we're seeing the social media clips every single day, and you're seeing the violence and the random street violence.
• 1:17:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's been going on there, and you're like, well, shit, man.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want any part of that as an old person, you know, I can fight now, but get me another 15 years and I'm out of the game bro, like, you know?
• 1:17:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:17:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So what's the tech and the taxes are out of control?
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: All the wealthy people who basically subsidize everything are leaving.
• 1:17:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just going to become, you know, a disaster zone.
• 1:17:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is all that's going to go away.
• 1:17:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
• 1:17:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you look at those top three states that I mentioned earlier, California and New York and Texas, same thing, Texas, property taxes are killing Texans as well.
• 1:17:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they're getting the fuck out of there and all of it.
• 1:17:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: all of it.
• 1:17:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, now's the boy in the show, we get to the drinking bro of the week, that is somebody who has inspired you or helps you become the person you are today, who would you like to give the drink a bro the week to?
• 1:18:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 1:18:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say my dad, and then that might be a frequent answer for you, but he was just a huge, like intellectual reader type, always encouraged me to read, would suggest books for me to read, and then we talk about them.
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he was kind of a history buff as well.
• 1:18:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he loved Robert Massey, who wrote these amazing books on Peter now.
• 1:18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Andrew the Roman Ops from Russia and on World War I naval battles.
• 1:18:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think he had more influence on me than anyone in terms of getting going on what I'm doing as a career today.
• 1:18:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was the book that lit the fuse for you?
• 1:18:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember?
• 1:18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, I do actually this is this is an interesting story.
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: The last book that I read before I wrote my first book was The Gold Coast by Nelson DeMille.
• 1:18:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a thriller writer.
• 1:18:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you guys ever read any.
• 1:18:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote the general's daughter that was made into a movie with Trevolta and a bunch of great books.
• 1:19:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that got me started on writing what became my first novel and then when that book came out.
• 1:19:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: it was, you know, getting bread around your city and someone, someone passed it to a person at the Union League club in New York City where Nelson DeMille holds this event every year.
• 1:19:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they invited me and I got a chance to go meet Nelson DeMille.
• 1:19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So by the end of the night, you know, you're like, drinking Scotch at the bar and I got to tell him how his book inspired me to get going on my first book and he and I ended up becoming friends and he was sort of a mentor to me.
• 1:19:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He passed away a few years ago, but became a good friend.
• 1:19:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's an interesting story.
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mine was a lot different, but yeah, I was 50 shades of gray.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was so angered by it that I wrote a spoof of it and that ended up becoming my first best seller dead series.
• 1:19:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
• 1:19:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wrote the first ever romance novels for dudes.
• 1:19:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're welcome.
• 1:19:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it is slow burn.
• 1:19:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because some of these books, man, it takes a while to take off.
• 1:20:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't hit until like four and a half years later.
• 1:20:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very strange, but I didn't have social media in all that other shit and yeah podcast wasn't I think was just getting started, but not it's not crazy yet, so Yeah, my hate that's the best compliment ever.
• 1:20:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I recommend that's that's awesome 100% agree and that's what built the next five so like Yeah, very very odd, but I always try to ask people that because years ago, I'd worked with a director who
• 1:20:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I put this guy in a movie.
• 1:20:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know Lawrence Firlinggetty is a poet.
• 1:20:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's an old San Francisco poet.
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this director, to use him in a movie I was starring in, up in San Francisco before it was a shithole.
• 1:20:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: We shot that in like 2005, it was still a beautiful city.
• 1:20:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I looked at the final cut of this movie and I was like, Jesus Christ, why did you give this guy so much screen time and he goes, I don't even understand.
• 1:20:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: If it weren't for him,
• 1:20:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: That wouldn't have kind of built my career, and that was the guy that lit the fuse for me, and I was like, oh, interesting.
• 1:21:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I'm going to steal that one day, and if I ever have my own show, I'm going to ask people what theirs is.
• 1:21:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, good.
• 1:21:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great story.
• 1:21:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's awesome, because everybody's got a different thing for a totally different reason.
• 1:21:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you.
• 1:21:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: The book is out now, Amazon's your best back kids, gets to your house in less than two days.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And did you do your own audiobook?
• 1:21:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you read it or somebody else read it?
• 1:21:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, for the first time, I did the audiobook.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Proud of you for no bell.
• 1:21:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
• 1:21:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a little relentless, you know?
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I knew it was not going to easy.
• 1:21:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was even more,
• 1:21:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: more of a grind than I thought, but got through it.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you got to read it, and that takes a while, and many hours in the day, eventually you get the hang of it, but once you get the hang of it, your voice starts to go out and you're like, well, shit, I got to come back tomorrow and have some tea and all that other fun stuff.
• 1:21:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then tell everybody where they can find your podcasts as well.
• 1:21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: podcast is dedicated with Doug Brunnets on YouTube, anywhere you get podcasts, you know, all platforms.
• 1:22:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I talked to different authors about their life and work and start out with a cocktail.
• 1:22:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I fixed the guest favorite drink on set, and then we have a drink.
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
• 1:22:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, awesome, and Doug, it was an absolute pleasure today.
• 1:22:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Best to luck with the book.
• 1:22:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be checking in tomorrow and see if you hit the list, my friend.
• 1:22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
• 1:22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fingers crossed.
• 1:22:24
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
• 1:22:26
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• 1:22:40
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