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Mega Edition: The Goncalves Family Hire Shannon Gray To Represent Them (8/12/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Kayley
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Speaker 1: Gonsalve's father, Steve Gonsalves, has been one of the most
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Speaker 1: outspoken people when it comes to the investigation into the
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Speaker 1: murder of the Moscow for and do you blame him?
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Speaker 1: This is his daughter we're talking about here. I see
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Speaker 1: a lot of people criticizing this man because he's been
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Speaker 1: so outspoken, saying that he's going to destroy the integrity
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Speaker 1: of the case. That the other thing, well, how's that
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Speaker 1: even possible if the police aren't giving him any information.
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Speaker 1: This guy's out here wanting justice for his daughter and
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Speaker 1: people criticizing that. I just find it to be bananas. Now,
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Speaker 1: you cannot agree with the way he's going about it, right,
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Speaker 1: of course, But people that are like attacking this man personally,
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Speaker 1: the hell is wrong with you. This is a grieving
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Speaker 1: father who lost his daughter in one of the most
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Speaker 1: horrific ways you could ever possibly imagine. And there's people
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Speaker 1: out here ripping this man because he's looking for answers,
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Speaker 1: looking for justice. That's just some bizarre shit to me,
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Speaker 1: because if I was in his shoes, I'd be doing
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Speaker 1: the same exact thing, demanding answers, demanding accountability from the
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Speaker 1: investigators and the fact that he had just hired a lawyer.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing. I said from the beginning,
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Speaker 1: Remember that these families should hire a lawyer to deal
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Speaker 1: with the police, to deal with the investigation, to deal
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Speaker 1: with interviews, because when you're grieving the way that this
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Speaker 1: man is grieving, the last thing you want to hear
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Speaker 1: are oh, we're going to go get him. Oh we're
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Speaker 1: doing our investigation. Oh, things are going to take some time.
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Speaker 1: And while we in the general public we understand all
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Speaker 1: of this, this is a man who is grieving. Remember,
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Speaker 1: think about how you would feel if you were in
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Speaker 1: his position. So I totally understand where he's coming from,
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Speaker 1: and I totally understand his calls for justice. Now at
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Speaker 1: the same time that this stuff doesn't happen overnight, and
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Speaker 1: we know that these investigations, unfortunately, they take some time.
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Speaker 1: So it's going to take some time for this to
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Speaker 1: evolve and for them to find who did this. But
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Speaker 1: it's very concerning when we're three weeks in and there's
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Speaker 1: not even a sniff of a lead, and then you
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Speaker 1: look at the miscommunication. I mean, come on, you can't
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Speaker 1: say this person has been cleared. That person has been cleared,
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Speaker 1: but not want to give anybody alibis or go into
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Speaker 1: why you cleared somebody instead of saying they're cleared. Just
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Speaker 1: don't talk about it at all. Save yourself the trouble.
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Speaker 1: Today's article is from the Daily Mail headline Moscow police
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Speaker 1: chief breaks down in tears, saying quadruple murder affects us
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Speaker 1: all as furious father of dead Idaho student considers suing
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Speaker 1: in at cops over botched investigation. Now, I think it's
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Speaker 1: a little too soon for lawsuits, but hiring a lawyer
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Speaker 1: here is the proper way to go about it. I
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Speaker 1: would have done this right away. The author of this
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Speaker 1: article is Alex Oliviera. The father of one of the
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho's stabbing victims, has hired a lawyer to
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Speaker 1: try to force evidence out of tight Lip police who
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Speaker 1: have been investigating the massacre for three weeks. Stephen Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: the father of twenty one year old Kayley Gonsalves, said
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Speaker 1: he's grown frustrated with the Moscow, Idaho police departments minimal
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Speaker 1: transparency in the case. Now for me, and remember, we're
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Speaker 1: just bystanders here, right, We're not affected by this personally
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Speaker 1: the same way mister Gonsalves is so. Look, this is
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Speaker 1: a man who is on a mission at this point,
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Speaker 1: and anyone who doesn't understand that, well, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what to say to them. His comments come as Moscow
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Speaker 1: Police Chief James Frye broke down in tears during an
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Speaker 1: interview with Fox News as he explained that he and
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Speaker 1: other members of the force are father too and that
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Speaker 1: the nature of the murders affects us. He also vowed
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Speaker 1: the case is not going cold, and I don't doubt
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Speaker 1: that for a minute. Look, I don't doubt the sincerity
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Speaker 1: of the police department or Chief fry here. This is
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Speaker 1: a man who wants to find the killer, There's no
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Speaker 1: doubt about that. But sometimes you have to have your
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Speaker 1: own best interests looked after. And that's what Kaylee's dad's
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Speaker 1: doing here. He's looking after the best interest of his
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Speaker 1: family and what he thinks is best to find justice
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Speaker 1: for his daughter. Gonsalvas has been vocal about his dissatisfaction
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Speaker 1: with the Moscow Police Department's investigation, which he said has
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Speaker 1: messed up a million times. In a recent interview with
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Speaker 1: Fox he has hired his own private investigator to look
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Speaker 1: into the Grizzly slayings, and just this week said he
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Speaker 1: believed either his daughter or her best friend, Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: twenty one, was targeted in the attack because they were
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Speaker 1: sleeping in the same bed on the top floor of
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Speaker 1: the house, well out of the way of the killer's
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Speaker 1: entry point a floor below. Gonsalvas explained to Fox News
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Speaker 1: that there were legal means of obtaining evidence, but that
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Speaker 1: he needed a lawyer to take full advantage of those avenues.
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Speaker 1: There are things that we can request and things that
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Speaker 1: we can do to get to the truth faster, he said.
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Speaker 1: You have to fill out forms to get this evidence
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Speaker 1: released to you. I don't know how to do that.
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Speaker 1: There seems to be confusion everywhere you look. It's just
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Speaker 1: absurd the kind of stuff that's going on right now.
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Speaker 1: Among his frustrations with the department's lack of transparency was
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Speaker 1: their refusal to reveal the alibis of certain people they
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Speaker 1: say they've cleared suspicion. So I don't see why the
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Speaker 1: police wouldn't release alibis. How is that going to destroy
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Speaker 1: the integrity of your investigation? And this is why people
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Speaker 1: have a big problem. Look, there's people out there that
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Speaker 1: are willing to believe the police no matter what they say.
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Speaker 1: And that's fine, and well, if you want to be
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Speaker 1: one of those people, that's great. Me. I'm a trust
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Speaker 1: but verify kind of cat. And if you haven't been
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Speaker 1: doing the right thing or we haven't gotten anywhere in
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Speaker 1: the investigation, you better believe I'm going to have some questions.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I understand that there's things going on behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: that we are not privy to, but when you have
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Speaker 1: a father who is grieving like this and he has
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Speaker 1: such criticism of the investigation, you have to take that seriously.
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Speaker 1: If you don't share your alibi, then you're scared your
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Speaker 1: alibi isn't strong enough to share with the community, because
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Speaker 1: that gives them a chance to peer review it, Gonzalde said.
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Speaker 1: And look, I don't disagree with that. I don't see
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Speaker 1: how releasing alibis is going to destroy the integrity of
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Speaker 1: the case, Especially considering the immense pressure that the investigation
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Speaker 1: is under. You would think that they'd want to be
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Speaker 1: upfront at the very least with the families as far
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Speaker 1: as possible. Now, of course they can't give them everything,
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Speaker 1: but something like the alibis if disclosing those to the
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Speaker 1: family could bring them some closure or some comfort. Why
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you do that? He also told Fox he was
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Speaker 1: upset the Department wouldn't explain why they thought there was
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Speaker 1: no connection between stabbings that recently occurred in both Washington
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Speaker 1: and Oregon. And again, I think that's a legitimate question.
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Speaker 1: How did you rule this out? What was your process
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Speaker 1: that you used to rule this out. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to explain all the particulars, but at the very least
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Speaker 1: explain the process that was used, that was employed. Maybe
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Speaker 1: people will have more understanding. Then maybe people will be
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Speaker 1: willing to give you a little extra rope. But at
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Speaker 1: this point, people are looking at what's going on. They're
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Speaker 1: seeing a grieving father and it's not just Steve Gonzalvas.
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Speaker 1: At this point we seen Madison mogan stepfather speak out
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Speaker 1: as well. People want answers and the families rightfully, so
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Speaker 1: they're demanding justice. Don't treat us like we're a bunch
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Speaker 1: of little kids, he said, you're saying it's not related,
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Speaker 1: then tell us why it's not related. They've messed up
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Speaker 1: a million times. But I don't get to say that,
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Speaker 1: because what experience does Steve Have. He added, he doesn't know.
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Speaker 2: He's just a dad.
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Speaker 1: Who woke up one day and had his life turned
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Speaker 1: upside down.
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Speaker 2: YO. For me, that's enough. Right.
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Speaker 1: There's people out there that are going to want to
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Speaker 1: criticize this man, but I won't do it. When you're
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Speaker 1: grieving like this and you've lost your daughter, your son,
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Speaker 1: your loved one in such a horrible manner, and you
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Speaker 1: feel like there's no one there that's doing the right thing,
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Speaker 1: whether it's true or not, how can anyone sitting on
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Speaker 1: the sidelines tell this man how to feel. It is
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Speaker 1: just bizarre to me because I know for a fact
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Speaker 1: that if I was in his position, I wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: handling it nowhere near.
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Speaker 2: As well as he is.
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Speaker 1: Speaking with Fox, Chief Fry insisted that his department has
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Speaker 1: still rigorously investigating the murders. This case is not going cold.
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Speaker 1: We have tips coming in, we have investigators out every
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Speaker 1: day interviewing people. We're still reviewing evidence, still looking at
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Speaker 1: all aspects of this, he said. I said early on
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Speaker 1: no stone will go unturned, and I mean that we
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Speaker 1: are going to continue.
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Speaker 2: This case is not going cold. Well, I would hope not.
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Speaker 1: With all of the resources that have been pumped into it.
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Speaker 1: If this case goes cold, forget about it. There's going
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Speaker 1: to be an uproar like you haven't heard in quite
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Speaker 1: some time. There is no way on this planet that
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Speaker 1: four college kids in a place like Moscow should get
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Speaker 1: killed and nobody gets brought to justice. And for all
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Speaker 1: of us sitting on the sidelines, it's easy to say, oh,
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Speaker 1: let the investigation play out, but what if it was
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Speaker 1: your kid? Try to put yourself in his position. And
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Speaker 1: on the flip side of that, I'm sure that mister Fry.
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Speaker 1: Chief Fry is a good man and he wants justice
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Speaker 1: here too, But I think that the Moscow Police Department
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Speaker 1: are in a bit over their heads. And of course
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Speaker 1: there's people out there that'll say, well, the FBI is there,
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Speaker 1: and that is true, but were they there in the
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Speaker 1: crucial hours, the crucial minutes right after the bodies were discovered.
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Speaker 2: They weren't.
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Speaker 1: And now as we've moved forward, I don't have that
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Speaker 1: much confidence in what's going on here. And if we
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Speaker 1: don't have that much confidence as far as people observing
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Speaker 1: the case, how do you think that Fry fought back
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Speaker 1: tears as he explained the toll the investigation took on
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Speaker 1: the officers involved. I'm a dad with daughters, and it's tough,
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Speaker 1: Fry said.
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Speaker 2: We're human. We don't go to these and just turn
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Speaker 2: it off. It affects us.
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Speaker 1: But we have a job to do and we're going
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Speaker 1: to continue to do that job, and we're going to
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Speaker 1: continue to push forward. Kaylee Madison, their roommate Xana Kernodle,
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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death on
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Speaker 1: November thirteenth, likely while they were sleeping. Kaylee and Madison
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Speaker 1: were sleeping on the third floor and Xana and Ethan
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Speaker 1: were on the second floor. Cop said the killer entered
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Speaker 1: the house through a sliding glass door on the second floor,
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Speaker 1: which was level with the backyard. And again and they
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Speaker 1: keep saying that, and I haven't heard that personally from
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Speaker 1: the investigators, but it's the likeliest point of entry. We've
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Speaker 1: talked about that before as well. When you're coming in
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Speaker 1: that sliding glass door, that's the easiest way to get
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Speaker 1: in and have access to the house. Two other roommates
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Speaker 1: were in the house but were unharmed and unaware the
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Speaker 1: attack occurred. They were sleeping on the first floor. Speaking
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Speaker 1: to Fox News and Friends, earlier this week, Gonsaldaz said
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Speaker 1: it took little more than basic logic to understand that
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Speaker 1: his daughter and her friend might have been targeted. I'm
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Speaker 1: not a professional, so I want to specify that. But
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Speaker 1: they said the entry point was a slider or the window.
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Speaker 1: It was the middle floor. So to me, he doesn't
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Speaker 1: have to go upstairs, he said, His entry and exit
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Speaker 1: are available without having to go upstairs or downstairs. It
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Speaker 1: looks like he probably may not have gone downstairs. We
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Speaker 1: don't know that for sure, but he obviously went upstairs.
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Speaker 1: So I'm using logic that he chose to go up
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Speaker 1: there when he didn't have to. So I'm just putting
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Speaker 1: the dots together. As far as the investigators, they're very
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Speaker 1: tight lipped and they're keeping everything close to the vest,
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Speaker 1: and I understand that, and I'm probably not the right
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Speaker 1: person to share all these things with, he said, So
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Speaker 1: I'm just trusting that their case is super tight and
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Speaker 1: they don't really need to reach out to the community,
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Speaker 1: and all the evidence is right there in that home,
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Speaker 1: and really that's what it comes down to. We've heard
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Speaker 1: a whole lot about the DNA and how the DNA
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Speaker 1: is going to play a huge part here and how
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Speaker 1: it's going to lead us to the killer. And I've
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Speaker 1: said I don't think that's the case. I think it's
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Speaker 1: going to be a community tip. If they don't have
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Speaker 1: a DNA match by now, my guess is they're not
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Speaker 1: going to get one, not with somebody who's in Codis
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Speaker 1: or where they're going to get a big time hit.
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Speaker 1: So it's going to come down to community tips. Cops
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Speaker 1: have said some of the victims had defensive wounds, but
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Speaker 1: it remains unclear who or how many. Gonsalvee said on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: Saturday that Kaylee and Madison appear to have done in
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Speaker 1: different ways. I'll cut to the chase. Their means of
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Speaker 1: death don't match. Kaylee's father, Stephen Gonsalvez told Lawrence Jones
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Speaker 1: Cross Country. He said that Kayleie and Madison were sleeping
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Speaker 1: in the same bed when the attack occurred. Their points
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Speaker 1: of damage don't match. He added, I'm just going to
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Speaker 1: say it. It wasn't leaked to me.
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Speaker 2: I earned that.
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Speaker 1: I paid for that funeral. I sent my daughter to college.
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Speaker 1: She came back in a box and I can speak
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Speaker 1: on that. So for all the people criticizing this man,
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Speaker 1: just try to put yourself in his shoes. Like he said,
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Speaker 1: he sent his daughter to college and she came back
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Speaker 1: in a box. And now this man is not going
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Speaker 1: to rest until he has answers. I don't know anyone
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Speaker 1: can't stand up in clap for that. Asked by Fox
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Speaker 1: and Friends about these comments and whether he had any
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Speaker 1: thoughts about his daughter or Madison was the target based
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Speaker 1: on their wounds, Gonsalves said, cops asked him not to specify.
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Speaker 1: I asked for permission to do just that, and they
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Speaker 1: said no. Gonsalvez said, I probably overdisclosed information that they
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Speaker 1: wish I wouldn't have said. But the story's going cold. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. This is one of the
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Speaker 1: most looked at stories right now in the whole entire world,
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Speaker 1: not just the United States. And I don't think anyone
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Speaker 1: out there who's listening to this podcast or who has
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Speaker 1: an interest in this case is going to let it
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Speaker 1: cold cold. Never mind, mister Gonsalves, zero chance he's letting
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Speaker 1: that happen. There's less people coming to Moscow. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to sleep in my bed knowing that I could
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Speaker 1: get up and I could go to town and I
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Speaker 1: could do something and I'm not going to go away.
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Speaker 1: I hate to be a pain, but as a father,
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Speaker 1: I just can't even sleep thinking about I could be
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Speaker 1: doing something. I feel this in my soul. I would
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Speaker 1: be the same exact way. I would hope, and honestly,
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Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for mister Gonsalves. This
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Speaker 1: guy is showing a lot of restraint here. I'd be
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Speaker 1: going crazy. You wouldn't want me anywhere near a microphone.
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Speaker 1: If this was my kid, You wouldn't be able to
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Speaker 1: speak any sense to me. I can already tell you
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Speaker 1: that I wouldn't not be anywhere near as honorable as
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Speaker 1: mister Gonsalvez is being right here. This is a man
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Speaker 1: who is suffering greatly, and he's trying to hold it
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Speaker 1: all together and do the right thing and focus all
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Speaker 1: of that rage, all of that anger, all of that pain,
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Speaker 1: into finding who did this to his daughter and all
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Speaker 1: of her friends. On Wednesday night, detectives were revealed they
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Speaker 1: were not sure if the slain University of Idaho's students
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Speaker 1: were targeted by the killer, contradicting Chief James Fry, who
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Speaker 1: previously insisted they were. We believe they're targeted because we
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Speaker 1: take a totality of all the circumstances we're looking at
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Speaker 1: for I told the news reporters on November twentieth, a
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Speaker 1: week after the murders. The statement was recently echoed by
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Speaker 1: Leyta County Prosecutor Bill Thompson, but the department filed a correction,
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Speaker 1: stating detectives do not currently know if the residents or
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Speaker 1: any occupants were specifically targeted, but continue to investigate. Nearly
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Speaker 1: three weeks after the Grizzly murders, few answers have come out,
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Speaker 1: despite the father of one of the victims stating that
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Speaker 1: the killer was sloppy and left a mess of evidence behind.
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Speaker 1: Now that could be anything, right, A mess of evidence,
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Speaker 1: it could be. And I don't want to be too
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Speaker 1: grizzly here, but a mess of evidence from those who
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Speaker 1: are deceased. Right, There's nothing to tell us that this
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Speaker 1: person left their DNA. There chances are they did a hair,
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Speaker 1: some blood, something like that, but we don't know for sure.
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Speaker 1: And mister Gonsalves here, this is a man who wants justice,
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Speaker 1: and this is a man who's not going to let
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Speaker 1: this case go cold. He's not gonna let this just
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Speaker 1: go under the rug and be forgotten about, like so
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Speaker 1: many other cases. So while I understand why the police
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Speaker 1: don't want to say anything to mister Gonsalves at this point,
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Speaker 1: I totally understand where he's coming from, and I have
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Speaker 1: a lot of compassion and a lot of empathy for
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Speaker 1: him and all of the families of those who were murdered,
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Speaker 1: because it's easy for us to sit here in the
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Speaker 1: peanut gallery and fire off commentary and to say, oh,
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Speaker 1: he shouldn't say this, or he shouldn't say that, when
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Speaker 1: the reality is this man's daughter is never coming home.
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Speaker 1: So I think he should be given the room to
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Speaker 1: express himself.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: The police, for their part, they know that he's going
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Speaker 1: to speak to the press at this point, so they
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Speaker 1: shouldn't give him anything that's going to destroy the integrity
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Speaker 1: of the investigation. But at the same time, how about
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Speaker 1: a channel of communication gets opened up and everybody gets
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Speaker 1: on the same page, because we shouldn't be talking about
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Speaker 1: all this other stuff.
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Speaker 2: We should be.
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Speaker 1: Talking about one thing and one thing only, finding the
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Speaker 1: six son of a bitch who is responsible for these murders.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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Speaker 1: link that I discussed can be found in the description.
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Speaker 2: Box this season, You're what's up everyone.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. Ever since this investigation
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Speaker 1: in Moscow started, one of the things I've been adamant
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Speaker 1: about as far as the families go is that legal
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Speaker 1: representation is a must. Well, now the Gonsalves have hired
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Speaker 1: a lawyer and he's acting as a liaison between them
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Speaker 1: and the police department. And I think this is a
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Speaker 1: great idea because there's a lot of friction here and honestly,
18:35
Speaker 1: it's not good when you have friction like this between
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Speaker 1: the parents of one of the victims and the police.
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Speaker 1: It really casts a shadow over the investigation itself. If
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Speaker 1: the parents of the slain girl can't be confident in
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Speaker 1: what's going on, how can the rest of society take
18:54
Speaker 1: a look at what's up and say, yeah, things are
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Speaker 1: on the up and up, even if they are because
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Speaker 1: the optics of it all tell a different story. But
19:04
Speaker 1: now having a liaison like this It really can free
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Speaker 1: the Gonsolvists up from having to deal with this sort
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Speaker 1: of nonsense. They can focus on other things now and
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Speaker 1: let their new lawyer, mister Gray here work with the
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Speaker 1: police department as far as getting information or whatever it
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Speaker 1: is that the Gonsolvists think the police should be doing.
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Speaker 1: So it really comes down to accountability, and it looks
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Speaker 1: like the Gonsalves feel the only way to keep the
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Speaker 1: police accountable in this situation is to have a lawyer
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Speaker 1: there and working as a liaison between the family and
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Speaker 1: the investigators. Today we have an article from Fox News
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Speaker 1: headline Idaho murder victim's family, lawyer meet with police overstrained relationship.
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Speaker 1: Tuesday marked one month since the quadruple homicide in Moscow,
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Speaker 1: and police have yet to name a suspect. This article
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Speaker 1: was authored by Rebecca Rosenberg. The grieving family of slain
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho's student Kaylee Gonsalves had an in person
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Speaker 1: meeting with police and local officials Monday to repair their
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Speaker 1: increasingly strained relationship. And this is a good thing. Getting
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Speaker 1: them together and trying to hammer out the issues certainly
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Speaker 1: leads to a more productive investigation. And if we're focused
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Speaker 1: on the investigation and not the hiccups along the way.
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Speaker 1: My guess is that's going to lend a whole lot
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Speaker 1: to bringing these people to justice.
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Speaker 2: Now, of course, this sort of.
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Speaker 1: Thing, when you know the family speaking out against the
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Speaker 1: investigators and coming out and saying they don't have any
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Speaker 1: confidence in the investigation, that's like a dream for the media, right,
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Speaker 1: But the reality is this the Gonsalvest family. They're suffering,
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Speaker 1: they're grieving, and they feel like they're not getting the
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Speaker 1: answers that they think they deserve, and so that is
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Speaker 1: led to this strained relationship where we have seen mister
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves come out several times and talk about the investigation. Well,
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Speaker 1: having this lawyer involved, hopefully that puts an end to
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Speaker 1: all of that because there won't be any miscommunication. Now.
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Speaker 1: We hope the lawyer speaks to the police, comes back,
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Speaker 1: explains everything to the gonsolvist and hopefully that will alleviate
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Speaker 1: all of the miscommunication. Family attorney Shannon Gray, who arranged
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Speaker 1: the face to face, said the discussion focused on accountability
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Speaker 1: and communication. Huh, what do you know? Communication almost like
21:36
Speaker 1: it's the biggest problem that the investigators have had this
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Speaker 1: whole time, because folks, it is anybody who's out here
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Speaker 1: talking about their investigatory practices behind the scenes, that's ridiculous
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Speaker 1: because we have no idea what they're.
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Speaker 2: Doing behind the scenes.
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Speaker 1: But if you want to talk about how the communication's
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Speaker 1: gone and how it's been absolutely terrible, I'm right there
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Speaker 1: with you, because the communemunication from day one has been atrocious.
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Speaker 1: I was pretty stern, Great told Fox News Digital in
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Speaker 1: an interview on Tuesday. He told the group, including Moscow
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Speaker 1: Police Chief James Frye, Leyta County Prosecutor Bill Thompson, and
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Speaker 1: other investigators on the case, that the family was frustrated
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Speaker 1: by the inconsistencies in their public statements and the lack
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Speaker 1: of communication, and that would drive me insane too. I
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Speaker 1: would never attempt to project myself into the place of
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Speaker 1: a grieving parent, but as somebody just observing, I know
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Speaker 1: for a fact that if it was me, the miscommunication
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Speaker 1: would make me absolutely insane. Because you want to be
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Speaker 1: clear and concise here. You want to make sure that
22:44
Speaker 1: the messaging that you're putting out is the messaging you
22:48
Speaker 1: want out there, because if not, you're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: walk things back. You're gonna have retractions and it's gonna
22:53
Speaker 1: lead to a lack of public trust. If you have
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Speaker 1: one voice and it's consistent and people trust in your investigation,
23:02
Speaker 1: Gray said, if there are three to four different stories
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Speaker 1: coming from three to four different people and their different
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Speaker 1: takes on things, that diminishes that trust. BINGO one hundred percent.
23:13
Speaker 1: Seems to me that mister Gray certainly has a finger
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Speaker 1: on the pulse here and understands what's going on, because
23:19
Speaker 1: the more people I talk to, this is what I'm hearing.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about, you know, people that are
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Speaker 1: following the case like we are. I'm talking about just
23:28
Speaker 1: average folks, people who might hear it on the news,
23:31
Speaker 1: you know, check it out every now and then. And
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Speaker 1: that's the same thing I keep hearing from these people. Dude,
23:36
Speaker 1: what's up with the messaging in this case? What's up
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Speaker 1: with the investigators walking things back like that? Why are
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Speaker 1: they clearing people so quickly and doing it publicly? So
23:47
Speaker 1: of course the Gonsalvas family is not happy with it.
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Speaker 1: And then you have this lawyer, mister Gray, stepping in
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Speaker 1: and saying, look, one voice, folks, not very difficult, and
23:56
Speaker 1: he is not wrong. You need one person as the
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Speaker 1: point woman, and that person needs to conduct all the interviews,
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Speaker 1: answer all the questions, and keep the ball rolling in
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Speaker 1: the right direction. More than a month has passed since
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Speaker 1: the twenty one year old Kaylee Gonsalves, her best friend
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin were
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Speaker 1: stabbed to death between three am and four am on
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Speaker 1: November thirteenth inside a rental home near campus. Police have
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Speaker 1: yet publicly named a suspect. Gray, whom the family hired
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Speaker 1: last week, highlighted the most egregious contradictions from officials. During
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Speaker 1: Monday's meeting at the Layta County Courthouse Law Library, Moscow
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Speaker 1: Mayor Art Becky called the murderers a crime of passion,
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Speaker 1: before backtracking and saying the motive was one of many
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Speaker 1: being probe by investigators. So right off the bat, you
24:49
Speaker 1: have the mayor opening in his mouth, having no idea
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Speaker 1: what he's even talking about, doing politician things and making
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Speaker 1: the case much harder for investigators moving forward. When you
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Speaker 1: come out and you say it's a crime of passion,
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Speaker 1: what does that lead people to think ex boyfriend, somebody
25:06
Speaker 1: they're dating, a jilted lover? Something like that. So of course,
25:10
Speaker 1: who's the first person you look at? Ex boyfriends? Well,
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Speaker 1: how did that end up? So they want to talk
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Speaker 1: about slews and this, that and the other thing. They
25:18
Speaker 1: need to take a hard look in the mirror, meeting
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Speaker 1: the investigators and making sure that their message is crisp.
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Speaker 1: Thompson called the killings targeted in a news interview, which
25:28
Speaker 1: police later called a miscommunication, before reversing course again and
25:33
Speaker 1: agreeing with this position. So you see what's going on here,
25:37
Speaker 1: and those of you who have been following along, you're
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Speaker 1: getting whiplash as you try and keep up with all
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Speaker 1: the changing narratives from the officials. The family was particularly
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Speaker 1: upset by Leyta County Coroner Kathy Maebut's statements, said Gray,
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Speaker 1: a former state prosecutor in Portland, Oregon. I could go
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Speaker 1: on for days about the coroner. Gray added, in an
25:57
Speaker 1: exasperated tone, Kathy maybut some personal phone calls to some
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Speaker 1: of the family and released a lot of information that
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Speaker 1: investigators didn't know about. He said, So again, you want
26:08
Speaker 1: to talk about slew's, you want to talk about this
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Speaker 1: person or that person. You got to take a look
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Speaker 1: at the investigators themselves, and once again we come back
26:17
Speaker 1: to the fact that this is a small town and
26:19
Speaker 1: a lot of these folks have never dealt with anything
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Speaker 1: even remotely close to this, So to act like they're
26:25
Speaker 1: not in above their heads is pretty ridiculous. Now, that's
26:29
Speaker 1: not to say that they haven't been adjusting on the fly,
26:32
Speaker 1: but when all of this first started, if you think
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Speaker 1: the Moscow Police Department was ready for a quadruple homicide.
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Speaker 1: In an exclusive interview Sunday, Steve Gonsalviz told Fox News
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Speaker 1: Digital that Maybu had shared explicit details of Kaylee's injuries
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Speaker 1: with one of his underage daughters. When you're a coroner,
26:51
Speaker 1: you kind of have to go to the parents, he said.
26:53
Speaker 1: Gonsalvez added that the coroner embellished a bunch of stuff,
26:57
Speaker 1: like her own hypothesis of what happened and her of things. Yikes,
27:02
Speaker 1: that is not good for this county corner, and there's
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Speaker 1: going to be a lot more scrutiny of her behavior
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Speaker 1: and what she did in the run up to this.
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Speaker 1: She had also shared with the father details of the
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Speaker 1: other victims injuries, which he felt was inappropriate. The main
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Speaker 1: purpose of the meeting, though, was to move forward and
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Speaker 1: improve communication with the family, Gray noted, and that should
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Speaker 1: be the goal. Let bygones be bygones at this point,
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Speaker 1: and let's move forward and let's try and catch the
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Speaker 1: person who's responsible.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: That can only be accomplished if the investigators are willing
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Speaker 1: to play ball and have a little more empathy here.
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Speaker 1: The family shouldn't be finding stuff out from the media
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Speaker 1: or from the coroner. We should never find out anything
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Speaker 1: new in the investigation from a press release or a
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Speaker 1: newspaper interview, he said, adding that the police should tell
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Speaker 1: the family first.
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Speaker 2: That's a fact.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time time, there has to be
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Speaker 1: an agreement if the police do tell the family something
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Speaker 1: that might have some kind of impact on things that
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Speaker 1: the family can't tell the media.
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Speaker 2: Right, it's a two way street.
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Speaker 1: We have to understand that there has to be a
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Speaker 1: relationship of trust here. The gonsalvast family supports the police
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Speaker 1: and wants nothing more than for them to succeed in
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Speaker 1: solving the case, but they also want to be treated
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Speaker 1: with respect.
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Speaker 2: Gray added.
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Speaker 1: We're optimistic, we're hopeful the police are moving in the
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Speaker 1: right direction, he said, and we support them. I think
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Speaker 1: we all should support them at this point because they
28:34
Speaker 1: are our best hope of getting justice here. But with
28:37
Speaker 1: that said, we can trust, but we have to verify.
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Speaker 1: You have to hold people accountable, especially in investigations like this.
28:46
Speaker 1: As disturbing rumors swirl on social media, Gray is urging
28:50
Speaker 1: the public to treat the victims' families, many of whom
28:53
Speaker 1: have been viciously attacked online, with more empathy. You know,
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Speaker 1: anyone attacking these family members online is a piece of shit.
29:02
Speaker 1: I can't even fathom why anyone would think it's a
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Speaker 1: good idea to attack these people online. We saw the
29:09
Speaker 1: same thing with the Epstein case. You should have seen
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Speaker 1: some of the vile attacks against some of those survivors,
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Speaker 1: the kind of shit that would make your head spin.
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Speaker 1: And people continuously do it, and they do it a lot,
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Speaker 1: and I just don't understand what people get from it.
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Speaker 1: If there was a little more kindness in grace in
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Speaker 1: this world, I think we would all be better off,
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Speaker 1: he said. Now that's true, that's a fact. Mabit in
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Speaker 1: the Moscow Police Department didn't immediately return a request for comment.
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Speaker 1: Police are asking the public to call in tips at
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Speaker 1: two zero eight eight eight three seven to one eight zero,
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Speaker 1: or you can email the tip line at tipline at
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Speaker 1: CI dot Moscow dot id dot us. Now that the
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Speaker 1: family has a lawyer, I hope that things are moving
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Speaker 1: much more smoothly, and I hope that the miscommunications cease.
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Speaker 1: And this county Coroner, Kathy Mabbitt, she certainly deserves a
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Speaker 1: harder look in what she was divulging at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of all of this. You want to talk about the
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Speaker 1: integrity of the investigation, well you should probably start at
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Speaker 1: the coroner's office. All right, folks, that's going to do
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