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Kim Isherwood Warns of the Dangers of Child Sexuality Education · UK Column Radio

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Hello and welcome to UK column viewers and listeners, wherever
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you are in the world special day today because I'm here in UK
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column Studio 2 and I'm delighted to be joined by Kim
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Isherwood from Public Child Protection Wales.
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And before we put on camera, I'm, I'm going to say I've spent
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a wonderful 40 minutes, 45 minutes having a chat with Kim
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and you brought 2 ladies with you.
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So welcome, Kim, who have you got with you today?
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So today I've got Lucia Thomas, who's a director of Public High
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Protection Wales, and Katherine Watkins, who's one of our lead
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researchers. Yeah, brilliant.
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The the conversation was so good, wasn't it, when we were
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just sort of planning a little bit about what we were going to
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do today and I said we should have had a camera on the three
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of us. I think.
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I think what we have to do is, is I have to grab you another
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time to actually see whether we can go through some of that.
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But it, it was really, really interesting discussion.
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How long have we known each other?
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I think it's got to be about 3 1/2 years now, Brian.
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I think we first met just before we took the government to court.
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Yes, important times. Now, the issue is the protection
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of children. I'm going to get you to explain
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to the audience people who might not know you and what you do,
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but just to follow on. Follow on from that.
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Yeah, it was very early days. I'm going to say a big thank you
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to Lou Collins because it was Lou Collins from Liberty Tactics
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that first of all alerted me to what you were doing with your
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team and it was pretty amazing. But we've done 3 interviews.
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I think I did a telephone call and a couple of interviews with
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you and we'll make sure that the audience can see those.
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And then of course you were able to come to the conference in
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Bristol and, and give a talk, which was fantastic.
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You really made an impact on people there.
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Brilliant. I think you might have been a
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bit nervous actually, but once you got going everybody was with
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you. Yeah, always nervous starting
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because this is not something that I've ever planned to do,
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you know? Same here, but we're we're
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allowed to say we're fighters and once you start fighting it
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sort of draws you in, doesn't. It, yeah, I think, I think it's
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a matter of being duty bound. Yeah, and then you've got to go
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where the path takes you. Yeah, yeah, rise to the occasion
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every time. Absolutely.
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OK, Well, look, Kim. Public Child Protection Wales,
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people who don't know anything at all, what is it and what are
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you doing? Public Child Protection Wales
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does exactly what it says in the 10 we are the public protecting
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the children in Wales. So Public Child Protection Wales
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was established around October 2020, about six months after we
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started campaigning against the new sex education and the new
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legislation, the Welsh Government to bring it in.
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The reason why we expanded to Public Child Protection Wales is
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because we do a lot of other work outside of the sex
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education. So we support families in court
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cases, additional needs children.
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It just it just made sense to kind of set up some kind of
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organisation that could potentially replace the existing
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failing organisations that a lot of people have become accustomed
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with. Right.
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OK, so let's go to the absolute foundation of this you, you and
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the other ladies, the other people who've been involved, you
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were becoming very concerned with the nature of the sex
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education that was coming into schools.
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Well, we are. Fortunately for myself and
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Catherine, we knew about the sex education.
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We knew it existed anyway, the comprehensive sexuality
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education. So it's prior knowledge that
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alerted us really. It was a newspaper article
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claiming that the Welsh Government were bringing in sex
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education from age 3 to 16 with no parental opt out.
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So, you know, I'm quite passionate about sexual
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safeguarding. You would assume that I would,
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you know, champion something along those lines.
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But my stomach dropped. My stomach dropped and I, I have
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to go to the Welsh Government website.
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Within a couple of seconds I found reference to the global
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comprehensive sexuality education.
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So for me, it was a no brainer. It wasn't a case of noticing
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things that happened. It was this big change that had
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been brought in by the Welsh Government prior knowledge of
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what has come from, well, we didn't know it was in the UK
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that we thought existed in America.
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And yeah, it was a it was a big wake up call, a massive wake up
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call. Frightening, I initially
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thought. Being naive, I believe that the
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former education minister Kirsty Williams may have made a mistake
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because like I said, I know all about this comprehensive
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sexuality education, where it comes from.
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I I just couldn't imagine a government bringing this in.
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But like I said, I was naive at the time.
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OK, so, so for a parent who's now watching, listening,
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listening in, what is the big problem with the with the
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education itself? Why do you see it as being such
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a risk to the children? So comprehensive sexuality
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education is rights based. It sounds good, children's
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rights, bodily rights, but it brings in something called
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sexual and reproductive rights for children from birth to
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sexual rights. The problem and the three
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theories that is built off. So you've got the queer theory,
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what everybody is led to believe that queer stands for hip and
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cool, when actually that's built off the work of Michael for Colt
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doctor Judith Butler and is now filtered in through Professor
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Emma Reynold in in Wales. We've also got the gender
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ideology that comes from the work of John Money.
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Again, children were assaulted for this gender ideology, the
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birth of the gender ideology and the one for us, the one that we
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are more well versed in is sexual.
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From birth. We are sexual beings.
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And that's the work of Doctor Alfred Kinsey.
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And they had Doctor Alfred Kinsey had claimed to research
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the entire population of America, male population, and
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claimed up to maybe 10%, maybe homosexual.
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When you actually look into his work, you'll find in Chapter 5
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there's an entire chapter on the sexual behaviour of the
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adolescent. And when you look into that
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tables, you will see that they sexually assaulted children as
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young as two months old, claiming they were getting
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orgasms while they were being interfered with.
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So for us, it's it's the sexual from birth that that is a big
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thing for us. But it's the three theories and
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these sexual and reproductive rights.
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And of course this this education to be given to all
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children, more or less, whether or not their parents wanted to
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happen. Yeah, exactly that.
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So it's, it's like for us in Wales, we have no rights over
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education. That is gonna happen to the rest
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of the UK as well, because all four countries of the UK adopted
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this in March 2017. So there's no argument over, you
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know, where it's going or whatever.
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We're all in the same storm, we're just in different boats
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right now. So there was less than content
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in England and less than content in Scotland and in Wales we
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didn't see a lot of that, but we now know there was a lot of
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studying going on. Amongst the additional needs,
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school children's were profound and complex needs have been
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studied by Professor Emma Reynolds for this sex education
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and it was the legislation that actually alerted us.
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If it wasn't for the legislation, I don't think I
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would have been alerted to her because my children at that
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point were well into their teens, you know, Right.
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What what we'll do here is we'll just show a little bit of a,
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what I think is a very interesting documentary talking
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about the whole problem and talking about the type of
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material. So we'll just let that play.
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In this film, the term comprehensive sexuality
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education or CSC does not refer to sex education programmes in
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general, but rather to a specific form of graphic
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sexuality education. CSC is designed to change the
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sexual and gender norms of society, promotes high risk
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sexual behaviours and encourages even the youngest of children to
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experiment sexually. This is definitely an attack on
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healthy family life. It will affect your economy, it
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will affect your child rearing, it will affect your education
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system. This is horrified a lot of
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people in South Africa and the tool that has been used, the
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weapons that been used, is comprehensive sexuality
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education. As president of the American
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College of Paediatricians, I am deeply concerned about
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comprehensive sexuality education for four reasons.
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First, it sexualizes children. Second, it threatens Children's
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Health. Third, it promotes a dangerous
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gender ideology. And 4th, it undermines the
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parent child relationship which violates parental rights.
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My life's work has been to protect children by exposing the
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roots of the sexual revolution, the sexual rights movement
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that's led to sex education worldwide.
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Globally. There is a worldwide war raging
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across the globe. Not a war of guns and weapons,
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but a war of ideas, ideologies and world views regarding sex.
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This is just part of the Lesson plan for what's called Making a
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Difference curriculum, and it is in Oregon schools and probably
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schools around the nation. This is instructions for the
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teacher in the classroom to ask her or his students, how do
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people express their sexual feelings?
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What is abstinence? And here are some answers that
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they try to elicit from the children.
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Oral sex, masturbation, anal sex, massage, holding hands,
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touching each other's genitals, saying I like you and what
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they're doing is equating all these things.
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Saying I like you is equal to anal sex.
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We have had several high level visits to Jamaica and the
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Caribbean from Prime Minister David Cameron of the UK, from
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the Secretary General of the UN Ban Ki Moon and from President
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Barack Obama. This is about pressuring the
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Caribbean to accept the sexual rights campaign.
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So I was really impressed with this documentary clip because
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you've expressed concerns as a lady living in Wales.
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But in this little clip, what you clear clearly see is that
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other countries are involved. We've got African countries,
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countries in the Caribbean, countries worldwide where people
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are saying this is wrong, what they're doing to children is
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wrong. So you've got, you've got
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different nationalities, you've got different colours, you've
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got different religions. Yeah.
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But people, when they really understand this CSE agenda, are
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flagging it up not only as wrong, they're saying, and I
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think quite rightly, that it's dangerous.
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Yeah, it sexualises children massively.
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There's an organisation called Family Watch International and
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there's a lady who's part of that, Monica Klein, she was
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actually travelling around America delivering this sex
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education because obviously she, she believed that it was good.
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It's so does something good. It's soap does empower and it's
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safeguard and you know, all these buzzwords they use.
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But it wasn't until Monica was actually in a classroom and she
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was asked by a young girl how she could give oral sex without
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having a gag reflex. And Monica had to explain, well,
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you don't have to be doing that. But the child felt that because
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these lessons were being introduced that that was their
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cue to respond. That was their cue to get
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involved in these things. So a lot of people out there are
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believing this is a good thing, even the people delivering it.
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But then there's those moments where you realise, hang on a
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minute, now you know, this is like giving the keys to the car
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to the child, this is dangerous. You know that you're not
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emotionally, psychologically or biologically ready for any of
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this. Yeah.
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Well, in, in the, the little clip that we've just watched, of
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course, the lady stresses that the agenda is, is saying that
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it's, it's there promoting abstinence for the children.
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But in fact, it's doing the exact opposite.
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And then she's also pointing out that it it's conflating
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acceptable things like telling somebody, telling another person
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they love them. That is conflated with anal sex.
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Is, is, is, is the direction it's going?
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So this is very, very graphic material, which is going to
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very, very young children. And we as parents are being told
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this is normal and this is going to help the child's development.
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Well, you know, I, I, I think what people need to actually
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look at, because it doesn't matter how many people tell you
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this is normal. When you actually look at the
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World Health Organisation sexuality in Europe document,
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which is the same document used for decision making in the UK.
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When you look at that and you actually see age nought to 4
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early childhood masturbation, the wording throughout there.
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So their word, and it's quite easy to read this document their
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word and you know, the sexual rights mean sex should be
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voluntary, consensual, exciting. You know, by the time they get
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to 9 years old, they want children engaging in sexual
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activity. When they're nine, they should
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make a decision to be sexually active or not.
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So even though it's being sold as a good thing to some people,
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the people who are aware it's bad to know it's bad.
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I think to the ordinary person that's unsure, I think all they
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have to do is get their hands on the World Health Organisation
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document which was used by decision makers in all four
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countries of the UK, and then make a decision if this is safe
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or not. Forget what you've heard.
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Forget what you see in the news. Read that document.
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And as you're saying this to me, I'm, I'm thinking, yes, there
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was that occasion where where at a public meeting, somebody tried
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to read out what that document was saying.
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And, and the meeting was being run on the basis that they were
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promoting the agenda. But when somebody tried to read
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out what was in their own material, the woman stopped the
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member of the public speaking because what they were saying
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was effectively too graphic for the cameras.
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But it came from their own material for children.
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Yeah, I, I believe that might have been Richard Lucas up in
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Scotland. I think we were meeting with
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John Sweeney. It was Scotland again.
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They've done us a fantastic favour.
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They have actually produced 100 lesson plans and they're all
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online. Anybody can access them, and
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they're in several different languages as well.
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So these these are lesson plans to to what?
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To educate the children so they they're essentially for teachers
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to go and access and then deliver these lessons to
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children if you. Are you saying the these are
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good lessons or are these they're awful, awful lessons?
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They're absolutely awful and they they're not very colourful
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actually. The important information is
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pretty much black and white, and there's a lot of YouTube links
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throughout the the lesson Slaves, PowerPoint slaves.
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Just just qualify that that Kim, because when, when you said
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they've done us a favour, you meant they've done us a favour.
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By showing us. Because it is so bad.
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Ohh yeah they've done us a favour.
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As in because nobody can access lesson resources because the
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rest of the UK got them under lock and key, they did us a
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favour by publishing and publishing it all on the website
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and that allowed us then to take into court as evidence.
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So it wasn't a case of we are saying this is coming, this is
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what you're going to see. The Scottish Government had to
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put it all out there and we were able to access it.
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Right. And you've reminded me of
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something else there that that that you would have thought that
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if children are being taught things, what they're being
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taught would be fully available publicly.
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But it's not. And you've previously shown me
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material where the public can't get access to it because a
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private company is providing it through to the Department of
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Education. And then they say this is
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commercial in confidence, but it's material that's actually
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going to the children. Yeah, it's all going to
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children. Parents are not allowed to look
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at it. We do know of one successful
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case where a parent has a court order to view the content in
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advance. That's the only successful case
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we know of. That was an educational tribunal
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that we ran last February in Wales.
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Right, OK, we've got a lot more to discuss about what what's
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actually being taught and who's doing it and why it's being
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done. But before we before we go
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there, just talk a little bit more about the progress you've
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made with Public Child Protection Wales.
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Because you started out very, very small.
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You, you've been an absolute tiger with your team and you've
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gone into court and you've challenged things.
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You've even produced a proper material to educate teachers.
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And a while ago you said to me that you'd, you'd even been able
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to demonstrate, to talk some teachers who were using the
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material that what they were actually doing to the children
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qualifies as groom grooming under the rules.
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So to be upbeat here, because I can imagine there's a lot of
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people parents are not absolutely wincing at the sort
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of things we're talking about. Tell us a bit more about how
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Public Child Protection Wales has been able to expand and how
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you've got how you've been able to get more people engaged.
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So we did the usual thing the we went through democratic process
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petition, we went to court. As you know, what we've aimed to
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do is take people on a journey with us very much working on the
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ground. So we have worked well, we have
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worked and produced what was needed at the time.
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So we never had a plan. We don't have a plan.
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We go in with what happens. We discovered people needed
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empowering, so we've been teaching them, training them an
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advocacy, writes and representation.
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We've been helping parents write letters.
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We help them fight schools, we help them form their cases.
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We have produced the 1st criminological child sex abuse
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awareness training in the UK from the perpetrators
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perspective to produce this. It's for professionals but we've
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piloted it in the local communities.
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It is also being propositioned to a prison so we're hopefully
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going to take it into that as well.
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Everything is perpetrator based because we believe.
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That we need the mind of a perpetrator to properly
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safeguard our children. Only they know how they groom,
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only they know the tactics that they that they use.
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So all of our work is perpetrator based.
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We're empowering parents, we're empowering the children.
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We produce template letters for them, we train them.
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Our staff are constantly training.
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We've got three of us at RSE, accredited teacher trainers and
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licence holders. We've done train ourselves in
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rock pool trauma recovery because we've had a 12 year old
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come to us saying she said well not to us to her mother saying
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she's addicted to sexual thoughts.
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So we are now in the process of working with individuals from
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around the world to, to produce a kind of 12 step, 12 step
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programme to de sexualising children.
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We've just registered as well, limited by guarantee and we're
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we're hopefully going to take the organisation into something.
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I don't really want to talk about that side of things
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because we don't like we don't like to count their chickens
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before they hatch. Don't give all your secrets away
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because some things have to be done quietly.
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You get them done and then you announce them so that that's
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fine, Kim. So we campaign, we do protests,
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we do training, we help parents, we support the children, we do
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whatever our community needs. We now.
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How many people? How many people have you got
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working for you now? Oh, we've got a small team.
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There's only about 8 of us on the committee.
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However, we are now in the process of setting up a
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curriculum watch committee wheels.
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So while we are dealing with the producing of the RSE resources,
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the safe sex education resources, we have got a
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curriculum watch committee wheels who will essentially be
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doing the work that we used to do.
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So keeping an eye on the sign of and keep an eye on the local
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authority and so on. Right.
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And and the Are these all volunteers?
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All volunteers, we get no funding.
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We get no funding at all. We couldn't pay people.
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We can't just haven't got it, you know?
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So all volunteers I. Know that you've, you've done
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several fundraisers, which I think have been quite
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successful. And so I'm looking at the
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audience now saying that if you're thinking that Public
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Child Protection Wales are doing a good job, which they are, then
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we'll make sure at the end of the video we talk about how you
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can make a donation and very, very pleased to be able to help
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you in that way. So you've got a small team,
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you've done absolutely fantastic things.
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What about engagement from from the public?
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Because you've been doing this one to expose it, but also to
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try and get other parents to come on board and show equal
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concern and fight as well fight alongside you to do something
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about it. Is the public in Wales beginning
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to react? Do you think you're getting the
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message across? I think so.
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Our biggest problem to begin with, Brian was trying to inform
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people this is not a Welsh education.
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As you know, the countries are devolved in the UK, so education
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is devolved to Wales. A lot of parents there, they
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turned to their teachers, they were getting the guidance of the
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Welsh Government website. It was difficult, It was really
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difficult and I think when we actually got to court things
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started to change a bit there, you know, because it's not made
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up. If it's gone into the High
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Court, it has to be something there for us to be in the High
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Court. We got some parents who are
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scared, but we also have a lot now who are standing up.
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We've had a massive shift in home educated children.
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Some local authorities have increased by over 200%.
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A lot have taken their children and run to be honest with you.
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But we we are, we are getting the support now.
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We actually get a lot of support from England as well.
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So we have people on our committee from England because
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they care what happens in the UK and we all know a win for one is
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a win for all. Yeah, absolutely.
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We do have some people from England as well who actually
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work on the Curriculum watch committee.
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Yeah, well, I, I think this is brilliant because there's
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strength in numbers and people have people have got to work
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together. What came into my head was I,
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I'm remembering the trouble up. Birmingham was one of the key
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places where there was a push back against the RSE syllabus.
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I don't know whether it had the CSE component in it at that
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time, but what was happening was the different nationalities were
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protesting on the streets about the sexualization of young
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children in schools. And the BBC got very hot under
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the collar because you had Christians, you had Muslims, you
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had Jewish people coming together as just normal human
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beings saying what's happening is not right.
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And it was very clear to me that the BBC did not want to admit
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that there was this grouping up of people.
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People were coming together to chain, to challenge what was
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happening. So strength in numbers and
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having to use the word, the diversity of people fighting it
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is is makes a big difference. Well, what?
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What they don't like? I've said this, the media
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myself, the media don't like us simply because when their camera
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comes into our crowd, they don't know if it's a Christian or a
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lesbian. It's as simple as that.
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You know, we, we, a lot of gay people now are aware that they
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are being used for this agenda, but we stuck specifically to the
25:55
sexual from birth. We pushed out the message of the
25:58
sexual from birth sexual beings, and we've just got a mix.
26:02
Yeah, and and this is my take on it.
26:05
This is the targeting of babies upwards.
26:09
Babies, Yeah. And, and when you start talking
26:11
about the targeting of babies and very young children, it's
26:14
absolutely true that there is also huge concern in the gay
26:18
community because this. Is absolutely.
26:20
Grooming children. Well, you know, there's a big
26:22
organisation called Gays Against Groomers as well.
26:25
You know, they are quite prominent in the US now.
26:29
I'm grateful that they have stood up.
26:31
But if we look at the state and play out there, it took a long
26:35
time, Brian, you know? So what?
26:37
You know, we're looking at the States and we could say, yeah,
26:40
we're the same. Actually, we're not, because out
26:42
there there's a lot of children registered with irreversible
26:45
trans regret. You know, I know that is
26:47
starting to happen in this country now.
26:49
We're not at that stage yet, but I don't want to be at that stage
26:53
before people start responding, you know, and we are quite
26:57
fortunate. There are like 17 parent groups
27:00
in the whole of the UK. So we formed the UK Coalition as
27:03
well. There are 17 parent groups out
27:05
there. Some people got 7000 on the
27:07
group, some people got 17. You know, our aim is to try and
27:12
get everybody at the same standard.
27:14
If we put out a template letter, we're not just doing it for
27:17
Wales now, there's one for England, Ireland and Scotland.
27:20
Every time you know, our leaflets, we take our logos off,
27:23
we send our leaflets out to them, you know, so it's kind
27:26
kind of working together, we responding to what's going on
27:30
within our own areas or people come with us with, you know, we,
27:35
we waiting for the ingredients before we can actually put them
27:38
together and produce something. No, it's, it's, it's, it's
27:41
absolutely brilliant because people need first of all to know
27:45
what's wrong and why they need to be concerned.
27:47
And then they've got to have the right information and, and
27:50
equipment documents in order to push back against it.
27:55
I, I've mentioned the BBC, but in, in all the work that you've
27:58
done and you've been to court and you've been protesting
28:01
outside of court, you've been in court, have you had any, have
28:06
you had any useful reporting by the media at all?
28:11
We had 23 seconds off the BBC, which, you know, for something
28:15
which should have been the most high profile case in the UK
28:18
because we were fighting for parental rights.
28:21
And ITVI did a massive long interview with them down on
28:25
Aberavon. They sat on it for nine months
28:28
until they could kind of twist it.
28:31
And then they put this sex education consultant against me
28:36
nine months later, nothing at all.
28:38
They, they don't want to know. And the reason why they don't
28:41
want to know is because we bring evidence.
28:43
Yes. You know.
28:44
Well, yes, what you, what you're doing is, is properly
28:48
constructed and that makes it very dangerous for if if
28:51
everything you were doing was a shouty protest.
28:54
Yes. They would be able to deal with
28:56
that. But the fact that you're going
28:58
back with reasoned, calculated arguments, you're taking apart
29:02
the government's case for pushing this filth into the
29:06
schools. That's what.
29:08
That's what makes you dangerous. Well, look, for the first two
29:10
years, Brian, I, I, I pulled a trolley behind me and in that
29:14
trolley had every scrap of evidence and I could pull it out
29:18
for, you know, I did not leave home without that trolley.
29:21
And for two years solid, that evidence, that evidence followed
29:25
me everywhere, you know. Yeah, yeah.
29:27
So small group, you've made a huge impact and you've gone from
29:32
doing what you're doing in Wales to as you've described you've,
29:36
you've got interest now from England and Scotland.
29:39
So UK is coming under influence of Public Child Protection
29:44
Wales, which is brilliant. But you've now started also to
29:48
see other groups operating internationally.
29:52
And a few days ago you were coined enough to send me some
29:56
information about a conference that's coming up in Washington
30:01
in the States, and I think that's been set up by the
30:04
International Coalition for Children.
30:07
It's actually a. Team A team of people.
30:09
It's actually the World Health Organisation conference that we
30:13
are going out there for. So it's not our conference.
30:16
We are going out there because as you know, the World Health
30:19
Organisation and the United Nations are instrument in
30:23
delivering the sex education. It's the World Health
30:26
Organisation guidance that has influenced the education in the
30:30
UK. So we're going out there.
30:32
There's our first face to face meeting in Washington DC.
30:35
While we're out there, we will be hand delivering our
30:39
international declaration of Childhood.
30:41
Whether they choose to come and collect it off us or not makes
30:44
no difference, Brian. If they choose to receive it,
30:47
wonderful. They choose to ignore it.
30:49
It's still news. We are not asking for permission
30:52
to be stakeholders in our children's safeguarding.
30:55
We're certainly not asking permission to be stakeholders in
30:57
their education. Right, Kim, this is really
30:59
important point. So you you are going out to the
31:03
States and you're meeting up with other parents and groups
31:06
who are who are fighting this. But essentially you're going
31:10
into the belly of the beast which is the World Health
31:12
Organisation. UNESCO's also in there in, in
31:16
that mix. What is their conference about?
31:20
Does their conference also include CSE?
31:24
Is it specifically talking? About no, it, it's not
31:27
specifically about CSE, but we know they're there.
31:30
This is the first opportunity that we can all get there.
31:33
This is the only way that we can engage with them because as you
31:36
know, they're going to ignore our emails and everything
31:38
anyway. But as far as we are concerned,
31:41
we will go there. You know, we, we've all emailed,
31:45
we sent out letters to our own representatives inviting them to
31:49
receive this international declaration of childhood.
31:51
We're going to be there to, we're going to be visible, we're
31:54
going to be present and we're not going away, Brian, you know,
31:57
so this is the first step and what could be powerful.
32:03
Hopefully, you know, this is the first time this has happened.
32:06
All grassroots organisations coming together.
32:08
We usually see influential organisations coming together,
32:12
people who are already established, but that's not the
32:15
case for us. We're going out there and we
32:17
will be addressing the World Health Organisation from outside
32:22
their own conference. We got a few events going on.
32:25
That's the first thing we're going to do when we get that is
32:27
we're all on the steps of the World Health Organisation
32:30
conference delivering our declaration of childhood.
32:34
OK, brilliant. So, so that I've got this
32:37
absolutely right, Is it true to say then that the International
32:40
Coalition for Children is the lead on what's happening?
32:44
Is that that's how it's working? Yeah, so the International
32:47
Coalition for Children just gives us a bigger punch to pack.
32:52
And you know, this is they've attacking our children all
32:55
across the world. We believe the attack back on
32:57
them needs to come from all across the world.
33:00
OK, so we're just for, for the audience then.
33:03
So I, I've got here, which you kindly provided a, a list of
33:07
partners for the International Coalition for Children.
33:11
And at the top here we've got Public Child Protection Wales,
33:15
which is brilliant. We've got the Natural Women's
33:17
Council. We've got Purple for Parents
33:21
United, Action for Canada, Let Kids Be Kids, Love Life, Parents
33:27
for Safe Kids, Protect Kids, colorado.org, Guardians SA.
33:37
Is that South Africa? Maybe Liberty Sentinel Flag on
33:41
the Hill. And then we've also got
33:43
Supporters Australia. We've got church and state,
33:47
Turning Point Australia, Holistic Kids Australia and
33:52
Leave our kids alone. I'm not sure where that one's
33:55
based. I think that is that UK based
33:57
one. Possibly leave our kids alone.
33:59
I'm not. Sure, OK.
34:00
But the key point here is that you you've gone from doing this
34:05
in Wales to now you're going out to the States, to Washington to
34:11
take on the World Health Organisation itself.
34:14
And now this thing has grown that we've got all sorts of
34:17
different countries getting involved.
34:19
Yeah, this is pretty amazing. It is pretty amazing.
34:21
And The thing is, you know, we've only got a handful of
34:24
skills ourselves, but but amongst all of the groups, we,
34:29
we, we don't need anymore. OK, pause.
34:31
You know, the only thing now the opposition have that we don't is
34:35
funding. They have the air time, but they
34:37
don't have the guts, they don't have the heart, they don't have
34:40
the courage and they don't have the stamina.
34:42
And that's something that we've got.
34:43
We're not going away. We're starting with the World
34:46
Health Organisation, UNESCO will be next.
34:49
And just because we are going after the belly of the beast,
34:52
we're making ourselves known there, that doesn't mean our
34:54
work on the ground stops. Work on the ground is still just
34:57
as important, if not more important, because we are the
35:01
first line of defence between the agenda and our children on a
35:04
day to You know, so this is our way of showing them that we're
35:10
not going anywhere. They are bringing in new
35:12
definitions of childhood to our children without their
35:14
permission. Oh, no chance.
35:16
We've agreed on an international declaration of childhood and
35:21
that is what we want worldwide and we won't stop until we get
35:24
it. They didn't ask our permission
35:27
to sexualise our children. We are not asking their
35:29
permission to be stakeholders in their safety.
35:31
It's as simple as that. Right.
35:33
So, so Kim, I think you're travelling out on the 29th, is
35:37
that right? So when when are you actually
35:39
going to be presenting? So this will be on the 30th
35:43
outside the World Health Organisation right conference.
35:46
There are also some other events taking place as well.
35:49
We're going to be meeting with some legislators out there
35:52
because there's a, there's a bit of a campaign going on in tech.
35:56
It's come from Texas. It's against the Kinsey
35:59
Institute. So they have successfully
36:02
removed funding in Institute of Indiana, Yeah.
36:05
So they've they've removed the the taxpayers funding from there
36:08
in that one state and they've got the full intention of
36:12
removing funding in all States and also repealing laws which
36:17
were influenced by Kinsey's ideology and also repealing all
36:22
education connected to this. Right.
36:26
OK. So one more question and then
36:28
we'll talk about the material itself again and and oranges
36:33
origins of it. But you've you've got various
36:36
groups coming together. Are you going to get the
36:39
opportunity for all these people, the good guys to meet
36:44
up? Yes, you're going to be able to
36:45
go in a a venue somewhere and actually sit down and have an
36:49
international. This is what we, this is what
36:52
we're working on now. And like I said, we're also
36:54
working with meeting legislators as well.
36:57
So it's the, it's the Texas ladies as the ones in the Rice
37:01
Minister Chota were doing that side of things.
37:04
We're all working individually now to try and get the meetings
37:07
with some kind of representatives in the World
37:09
Health Organisation. And we're also looking if we can
37:13
hire somewhere out there. It's very difficult because none
37:15
of us are from Washington, so when you go in somewhere you've
37:18
never been before, so there's a lot of Facebook messaging going
37:22
on in local groups, local churches and things like that.
37:26
So there's still a lot of plans up in the air because this is,
37:29
you know, a last minute thing. We were only formed in February
37:33
and we'd already going to Washington, DC.
37:35
You know, we're going to UNESCO as well.
37:37
Soon. We'll be going over there.
37:39
So yeah, we things are still up in the air, but we do have
37:44
everybody working to their strengths.
37:46
Some people bring in equipment, some people contacting
37:48
legislators. So it's just a case of
37:51
connecting the dots. I know there is a big meeting as
37:53
well with Mums for America, Mums for America.
37:56
So there will be a meeting I think on the 7th of October, the
37:59
6th or the 7th of October there. So it's just, it's our
38:03
opportunity to meet face to face, get to know each other,
38:06
take our declaration of childhood to the World Health
38:08
Organisation. And as you know, there's a lot
38:11
of changes taking place any way out in the States regarding
38:14
comprehensive sexuality education.
38:17
So for us, it's not just the meeting, it's not just the
38:20
declaration and it's not just the legislation.
38:23
It's about working with people who are very good at what they
38:27
do, getting tools that we can bring back to apply to our own
38:31
areas. So we're very much sourcing
38:33
information. We're sourcing, um, we're
38:37
looking for tips. You know, just because something
38:39
may not have worked there, it doesn't mean it won't work here.
38:42
Just because something hasn't worked here, it doesn't mean it
38:43
won't work there. So it's very much idea busting
38:46
and yeah, I'm really excited. I'm really looking forward to it
38:50
all. Right.
38:51
Fantastic. And how's all this being paid
38:54
for? You paying it, paying for it out
38:56
of the resources that you've got?
38:58
So we've just done a sponsored skate a thon.
39:01
We have an annual sponsored skate a thon.
39:03
We're also we've just got ourselves insured actually for
39:08
caterers. So we're going to cater for an
39:09
event so we can earn a couple of thousand.
39:12
Well just over 1000 1/2 from there.
39:14
So we are funding it ourselves. Fundraiser have.
39:17
You have you actually got a fundraiser page?
39:19
Yeah, yeah, we've got a fundraiser page open and we've
39:21
got a target on there of £5000. It's not just us going, Brian,
39:26
we're actually taking a team from England as well.
39:29
Too much, too young, so they get the show.
39:31
Mango's ladies, we work. We've worked closely with
39:34
Rebecca now for about 3 years and we very much show in a
39:38
united front. Yeah, absolutely brilliant.
39:41
Because so, so many of the people who listen to the UK
39:45
column watch the UK column. They will eventually get on to
39:48
the key point, yes, but what do we do about it?
39:51
And one of the things that we have said for many, many, many
39:55
years is each and every one of us has to do something.
39:59
You have to start somewhere. It might be, it might be make a
40:02
telephone call or send an, an email.
40:06
Even though many people think that doesn't work, it can do
40:08
amazing things. And you also have to find other
40:11
people to work with, find a friend and and you've prove
40:16
proven that when you've got one individual who's motivated and
40:19
you meet in your case are the mums who've been motivated,
40:23
things happen. And so you go from South Wales
40:28
to High Court, now to Washington.
40:32
This is this is this is an amazing success story.
40:37
Listen, I, I just want to say to you, very well, as anybody can
40:39
do this. We actually went to court
40:42
without a penny in the bank. You know, yes, I was having
40:45
emails off the government. They were threatening to remove
40:47
my furniture, threatening to move my assets.
40:50
Who cares? You know who cares?
40:52
Just be brave and just stand up. Don't think I don't have the
40:55
funds. Don't think I don't have the
40:57
energy. Don't think you don't have this.
40:58
You. The fact that you're interested
41:00
and you want to do something means you are contributing also
41:04
as well with this whole World Health Organisation thing, we
41:07
will be reaching out to the public as well to get them
41:09
behind us on it. We will have a petition, A
41:12
worldwide petition. We need the public emailing our
41:16
own representatives. So if they subscribe to our
41:18
website, they will know what to do next there as well.
41:21
But you don't have to be established, you don't have to
41:24
have an idea. Just get involved.
41:27
Don't think you need anything. We we went to court without a
41:30
penny in the bank and we managed it, you know.
41:34
Yeah, No, it, it, it's utterly brilliant, Kim.
41:37
And for, for the audience, this is the key thing.
41:40
It's when you discover that things are wrong and some really
41:43
nasty things are going on, is don't sit and fret about it.
41:47
Now. Do something and there's just a
41:50
well known little statement. It's action conquers fear.
41:54
Yeah. It does.
41:55
Absolutely true. So if, if people are beginning
41:58
to feel that the world's closing in on them, you start to do
42:02
something, you feel better. And ultimately if you make
42:05
waves, it it, it's really fighting what's going on.
42:10
I'd like to just come back on the subject of of the beast and
42:15
what it is that we're dealing with here.
42:17
It's simple terms. It's a policy to sexual to
42:21
groom, groom and sexualize young children.
42:25
And that is going to have a terrible effect not only on
42:27
their lives as a children, but it's also going to adversely
42:31
affect them as they go into adulthood because they're going
42:34
to be highly sexualized children.
42:37
Sorry. They're going to children who
42:39
become highly sexualized adults and they are going to
42:43
automatically be drawn into sexual practises, many of which
42:49
are extremely dangerous. So this is something that's got
42:53
to be stopped. But this is not a policy that
42:56
suddenly appeared one day. It's got quite a lot of long
42:59
history to it. And you've mentioned The Kinsey
43:02
Report several times. People can research that
43:07
obviously online and they can go and have a look at the material
43:09
direct. You are referring to a specific
43:14
book that he produced that has got graphic stuff in it,
43:19
including things about the babies and orgasms.
43:23
But you've also mentioned the Reisman Institute and Judith
43:27
Reisman, truly amazing American lady.
43:31
She she wrote a particularly good book called Sexual Sabotage
43:35
of America, detailing the history to this sexualization
43:41
policy. Unfortunately, she isn't with us
43:43
anymore, but she's she's there on video, really fighting hard
43:48
to it expose it. But this policy has got quite a
43:53
history, isn't it? Yeah.
43:55
It's not something that's just appeared in recent years.
43:58
This was going back to the 50s, sixties with Kinsey, if I got
44:04
the right. The 40s, actually, when
44:06
everybody was fighting in war, Alfred Kinsey was free to do his
44:10
studies, if you can call it that.
44:13
Yeah. So he he was there producing
44:17
those studies and then his work, which is you, you would call it
44:22
fraudulent. It's perverse, it's inaccurate,
44:26
it's not real. It's an it's completely
44:28
unethical and criminal, right? Completely unethical and
44:31
criminal, right. So Alfred Kinsey Co authored
44:34
that book with Wardell Pomeroy. And Wardell Pomeroy talked about
44:38
the last taboo and in his words, the last taboo was incest.
44:42
But it was Wardell then who went on to become the 1st president
44:45
of Sikas. So the Sex Institute and
44:49
Education Council of the United States, I think that's what it's
44:52
called. And if you look at our documents
44:56
here, you know, now for the UK, the UNESCO document, you open
45:00
the first page and it tells you it's been written by Sikas, you
45:03
know, So this, there's no arguing, this has come from a
45:06
really bad place. In a way, amazingly, the the
45:12
powers that be that were introducing this stuff, they
45:15
don't even bother to hide it. You might say it's hidden in
45:18
plain sight. Yeah.
45:20
But when you get into their material, you, you will find
45:23
these references back, Yeah. To this criminal fraudulent
45:28
stuff produced by Kinsey and and the people around him.
45:31
Yeah. Yeah.
45:33
So the papers that you've got in the moment are, are are you
45:38
actually using those papers from?
45:41
Sorry, what's the organisation called it?
45:44
Sikas. Sikas, yeah, no.
45:46
So Sikas actually write for UNESCO, right?
45:49
So we. But you're able to bring those
45:51
documents forward as evidence? Oh yeah, you you only have to
45:54
open the front cover and it tells you who wrote it.
45:58
It even gives you a name, Annette, Annette Echo.
46:02
So it says this is written by Sikas.
46:04
We have partnered with the World Health Organisation on the
46:06
International Planned Parenthood Federation.
46:08
It says it all that on the foot. Open the first cover is all that
46:12
you know, how would you know? This is Agenda 2030.
46:15
It says it there. You know, it's it says it there.
46:18
But The thing is, as you know, people don't pick up documents
46:23
and read them, Brian No, no, they don't.
46:25
You know, now when I pick up a, a study or whatever, I go
46:28
straight to the methodology. I want to know who was studied,
46:30
what you know, But other people, they might just read an abstract
46:33
or they might just read a summary.
46:35
They're not going to be picking up these large documents and,
46:38
and the powers that be know that.
46:41
And that's why then we've got to go into these documents, pull
46:44
them apart, show people certain bits, but also make them
46:47
available to them. So even Alfred Kinsey with, with
46:51
his book, his sexual behaviour of the Human male.
46:55
We actually have Chapter 5 on our website.
46:57
So you don't have to access the book.
46:59
You don't have to buy the book. There's a PDF of Chapter 5 on
47:02
our website under the sources page.
47:05
So, you know, this stuff is there and it's but people have
47:08
to look with their own eyes until they see those numbers and
47:13
those words within those tables with their own eyes.
47:17
Yeah, they're they always want to feel that it's not happening.
47:20
The The protective wall goes up, but when people discover it from
47:24
themselves, they the. Power is in within seeing it
47:28
themselves and that's why I spent two years taking the stuff
47:30
around with me, you know? Yeah.
47:32
And there was, I think it was, there was one Christian
47:35
organisation that went around Wales giving presentations in a
47:38
church and they tried to say that we'd produced that document
47:41
ourselves. Yes, we had produced the World
47:44
Health Organisation document, mind.
47:46
But no, once you read this stuff with your own eyes, you can't
47:49
argue with it. No, you know.
47:51
And I'll just reinforce it again.
47:53
The International Coalition for Children has got a brilliant
47:57
resource section information. If you go to that website, we'll
48:01
make sure. That's up.
48:02
There's plenty on that. A huge amount.
48:05
And, and the other day I started to dip in some of those
48:08
documents. It's actually where I found the
48:10
video that we've just shown the clip from and, and yeah,
48:16
tremendous information and there's so much you could be in
48:19
there for a year. Which that's that's and which.
48:23
Also says why we need people like you to at least signpost
48:27
people to where the where the the really damning stuff is.
48:31
A lot of work has gone into this international coalition, you
48:34
know, again, you know, we are very fortunate that amongst the
48:38
groups that are individuals with skills that we simply don't
48:41
have, you know, and there's Eugene from Southern Ireland,
48:45
he's just fantastic. He works alongside John of
48:48
London in the Natural Women's Council.
48:50
The it's, it's, it's working Brian, you know.
48:53
So whereas we are working our fingers to the bones on our own
48:57
groups and PCPW and everything else, this international
49:00
coalition seems to be coming together faster and far easier
49:04
because the groundwork has already been laid by other
49:07
groups. You know, there's some more some
49:09
organisations that focus solely on looking at the books.
49:13
You know, there's Angela Rojas and she does her job is to put
49:19
age limits on video games and books and magazines.
49:24
Is it books? No, I think it's just video
49:26
games and movies. That's her job, you know, and so
49:30
she's been going through the school books and things like
49:32
that. She's trying to apply her
49:34
policies now into the schools. You know, she if it wasn't for
49:38
her, we wouldn't know where they going against their own
49:40
publishing policies. So all of these things really
49:43
matter. And every time we have an online
49:45
meeting, like for some of us it's like half of seven in the
49:48
morning, others it's 11:00 in the night to now.
49:50
But every time we come off our meeting, there's a tool that we
49:53
can use or a tool that we can share.
49:56
And I think that's what's important right now.
49:58
This group allows us to work smart, whereas in PCPW we've got
50:03
to work hard, you know? No, that, that's, that's really
50:06
great. Kimber, I'd like to just come
50:09
back to the, to the chat that we we had upstairs over a cup of
50:13
tea because I, I think we did get on some really interesting
50:15
things there because, excuse me, part of it was to do with this
50:20
gender is horrific. And when you see it and
50:23
understand it for what it is, you say, who on earth would want
50:27
to produce this? Who would want to target
50:30
children in this way? The only rational conclusion you
50:34
can come to is that they are absolutely attacking children
50:39
and families. And then if you say, well, how
50:43
bad is the attack? In my mind, it is to utterly
50:47
destroy children as as moral human beings and it's also to
50:54
destroy families because of course it's as you we said a bit
50:59
earlier, if the child grows up damaged, then that's going to
51:03
lead to a damaged family and that's going to lead to the to
51:07
more damage in children. So when we were discussing this,
51:11
we were clearly coming to the point that when you say how bad
51:16
is it, they are working to damage men and women and
51:22
families and children. Yeah, they're empowering
51:26
children beyond capacity with stuff they simply do not
51:29
understand. They're teaching children in
51:31
school. You know, I used to be a big
51:33
promoter of children's rights, OK?
51:34
Children's rights, children's rights, children's rights.
51:36
Now I'm like, wow. You know, with rights come
51:40
responsibility. Nobody's taking any
51:42
responsibility. These children are being
51:44
empowered beyond capacity, turned against their parents.
51:48
Some are already living in split homes anyway.
51:51
You know, it is absolute chaos out there, Brian, chaos.
51:55
And when you look going back this comprehensive sexuality
51:57
education, it has been evaluated at 87% failure.
52:02
You know, there is nothing in there to promote families, to
52:06
promote the family connection, to keep the family strong.
52:09
There's absolutely nothing there supporting.
52:12
The family thing is about instant sexual.
52:15
Gratification. Which means which means you're
52:19
promoting more and more sexual partners.
52:23
And I can't remember who who said it to me, but I thought it
52:26
was very interesting. They said to me, The thing is,
52:30
if we get this the right way around, the more women a man
52:34
has, the less they respect women.
52:38
And the more partners a woman has, the more she the less she
52:42
respects herself. Yeah, I.
52:44
Think that's sitting there. I don't know what your reaction
52:46
to that, but that's what I was told by an individual.
52:49
I think so. I think so.
52:51
Like I've explained to a friend of mine, you know, women now,
52:55
they are highly sexualized. It's like they, they need to
52:58
feel desirable. You know, they need to feel
53:01
wanted. And if we, if we were taught now
53:04
I've learned a lot this last five years, you know, if we were
53:07
taught about the chemical makeup of our bodies, the oxytocin and
53:11
the things like that, we would then know why men are suddenly
53:15
not OK. This causes you psychologically,
53:19
emotionally. And we've got mental health
53:21
issues have gone through the roof and we're wondering why.
53:23
We're wondering why. It's because of this sexual
53:26
promiscuity. It is not fun.
53:29
It's not fun. It's being sold as something
53:31
fun. But it is damaging us because of
53:33
the chemical exchange. We are made up of cells.
53:36
Every single cell and every single component of our body has
53:39
a job to do, you know, and what we got is chemical exchange
53:43
during sex that destroys you. It leaves you feeling empty.
53:47
It's hard for people now to, you know, it's, it's unusual for
53:51
somebody to be married years now.
53:53
It's unusual, you know, children have got different fathers in
53:57
the same household, which is now becoming the norm.
54:00
And we suddenly wondering why everyone's not OK.
54:03
We've got mental health issues because of our sexual
54:06
promiscuity. And this cannot be accidental
54:10
because it's it's not just happening in one country, it's
54:13
happening in most countries in the world. 52 Yeah.
54:16
So therefore there's a common, there's a common policy at work
54:20
and that that policy is absolutely destructive on the on
54:26
the IT. Is, you know, if you look at
54:30
abstinence, people would think, oh, that's boring, this stuff.
54:33
And the other, well, again, I would have thought exactly the
54:36
same until I actually looked at the studies.
54:38
And when you're teaching children a sex positive
54:41
education, the comprehensive sexuality education, it's coming
54:44
back as 87% failure, you know, and that's from the Institute of
54:48
Research and Evaluation who study CSE.
54:52
But abstinence is no longer taught anymore.
54:56
Fulfilling relationships are no longer promoted.
54:59
It's the more partners you go, the better the outcome that
55:02
they're trying to sell sex cells and a big tool they use as well
55:06
as porn, you know, that's a massive tool that they're using
55:10
to rewire our brains, give us unrealistic expectations.
55:14
And now it's in the hands of the children, you know.
55:17
So we've got a big fight on our hands, Brian, you know, and
55:22
people don't realise the war was on us when we were in school and
55:25
we didn't know it other times. This is the interesting thing,
55:28
isn't it? When you think back and you you
55:30
see things that that are happening, were happening years
55:35
ago and you can now begin to see that as part of this picture.
55:38
Yeah. And yeah, the idea that we we've
55:41
been attacked as well is very, is very interesting and I'm sure
55:46
it's true. Pornography is one of those
55:48
things. Yeah, it is.
55:49
Because that exploded and became ever easier for people to
55:54
access. Well, it actually everywhere as
55:56
your brain, you know, it's so for argument's sake, in schools
55:59
now, they teaching children about porn, they showing them
56:02
videos, the visual and these have been endorsed by the NSPCC.
56:07
Bright, colourful, exciting, talking about computer games,
56:10
you know, well, actually, why don't you show the children what
56:13
happens to the brain with porn use?
56:15
It causes severe shrinkage. Let's show the children that
56:18
side of things, you know. But it's being, it's being
56:21
something that's fun, something that's accessible, it's
56:25
harmless. We're in actual fact, we know
56:26
it's not. We're now at the stage where
56:28
we've got schools teaching our children how to choke their
56:32
partners safely. I think we've, I think we've
56:35
gone way beyond, you know, a time in the cheek moment there.
56:39
What's reasonable and sense sensible?
56:41
Yeah. And then the the other thing
56:44
which I I said to you and it it's interesting me for a long
56:47
time is that we've been constant.
56:50
We are constantly told by the press and the media that there's
56:54
a battle of the sexes. Going on.
56:56
Where does not? Where does this come from?
56:58
Where? Who created the idea that men
57:02
and women were at war with each other?
57:04
Where? Where did this come from?
57:06
The people who wanted to tax us and the people who want to break
57:08
us down. That's where the idea came from,
57:10
Brian. I, I think so, but I mean,
57:12
that's, that's, that's been something.
57:14
And you see the way that children, boys and girls, they
57:21
respond to each other differently now.
57:25
So I, I will say certainly from boys, an absolute lack of
57:30
respect because the girls are all being sold as sex objects.
57:35
But by the same token, many of the girls are dressing and
57:39
acting in a way that conflates that situation because they're
57:43
picking up on role models that they see through pop stars who
57:48
may be virtually wearing nothing on stage.
57:51
And they are constantly being told via this education track
57:55
trained that it it doesn't matter you have sex with who you
57:59
want. Well just to add to that brain,
58:01
it's not just on TV and what they've seen on TVI have two
58:04
boys but I went Christmas shopping with a friend of mine
58:07
about two years ago. She has 2 girls.
58:10
So I was in Primark with her and every single knitted jumper was
58:14
a crop top. This was Christmas time, it was
58:17
the winter, there was not even a full length jumper there in the
58:21
girls section for the girls you know.
58:23
So as a mother out shopping, she couldn't really get her her
58:27
children what she wanted to get them because they're all crop
58:29
tops anyway. But then if you if you buy, I'm
58:33
pretty confident on this. If you don't go and buy sensible
58:36
clothes, you have embarrassed the child or put them under
58:40
pressure because you've tried to take them somewhere that their
58:43
peer group doesn't want to go. Exactly that.
58:46
Exactly that. And especially for young girls,
58:48
you know, as soon as they're of age, they want to go shopping.
58:51
They want to buy their own clothes.
58:52
And when they go in, in the shopping, that's all that's said
58:54
anyway. Yeah, yeah.
58:56
You know what are they going to be?
58:58
So, yeah, the other thing that we we touched on and this was
59:02
prompted by me, which was seeing some very interesting analysis
59:08
as what was happening in American Society between men and
59:11
women. And a lot of women not able to
59:14
find partners where if they've had a partner is broken down and
59:19
they are now among with children, baby with multiple
59:24
relationships behind them looking for partners.
59:27
And they're not finding partners because the men are not engaging
59:30
with them. And then the women are looking
59:33
at the men and saying, well, the trouble with the men is they're
59:38
not suitable partners because they're not behaving properly.
59:42
And where that discussion LED us was to the fact that that that
59:47
we'll stick on the male side. The males aren't getting any
59:51
proper role models. Fewer and fewer of them are.
59:55
And therefore when they take that into a relationship, the
59:58
relationship is suffering and the woman's will say not happy
1:00:03
because she's got a man who's spending all his time watching
1:00:05
video games and being a child. So this is a really toxic mix of
1:00:12
things that that that's been done in order to interfere.
1:00:17
With the way that men and women should relate to each other.
1:00:20
Oh, absolutely. And like with like what we said
1:00:23
as well with the females, you know, I don't know a school now
1:00:27
that teaches you cooking unless you actually take that subject.
1:00:30
So a lot of women can't cook. You know, the mothers are out of
1:00:34
the house now. Don't forget we've got the men
1:00:35
and the women out working. A lot of women cannot cook.
1:00:39
If you cannot cook, how can you take care of your family?
1:00:43
It's a big part is feeding your family.
1:00:45
You know women can't cock men. They they've got no role models.
1:00:50
They supposed to be the man of the house.
1:00:52
He's supposed to keep everything together while the woman does
1:00:54
the running around. It's not happening anymore.
1:00:57
It's not happening anymore. They want to do the same jobs.
1:00:59
They want to go to the same places.
1:01:01
They just competing with the next new thing and then
1:01:05
meanwhile back at the ranch, the children are being subjected to
1:01:08
this filth at the hands of very influential and prolific
1:01:12
paedophiles. Yeah, that's probably a good
1:01:18
place to go as we get towards the end of this discussion,
1:01:21
fascinating discussion. But the policy created, we can
1:01:27
track down where it's come from. Kinsey We can see historically
1:01:32
some other people, but we're now, we're now in 2025 where
1:01:37
we've got global institutions like the UN and UNESCO are
1:01:42
implementing these poisonous policies.
1:01:45
Therefore, surely we must assume that the management structure of
1:01:51
the UN and the management structure of UN is itself
1:01:57
poisoned by this material because it it wants to impose it
1:02:02
on the rest of us. Absolutely.
1:02:03
There's, there's no two ways about it.
1:02:05
So when I first read the World Health Organisation document, I
1:02:08
didn't know anything about Alfred Kinsey.
1:02:11
All I knew was this document was telling me that children can
1:02:15
masturbate from birth. And I was like, this is the
1:02:17
World Health Organisation, this is a who's saying this, who's
1:02:21
saying this, who's saying? And that's how I got to it, you
1:02:23
know? So like I said, you only have to
1:02:25
read that document and look. So anybody at the top, anyone
1:02:28
making these decisions, they can't look.
1:02:32
You can't say they come from a place of innocence.
1:02:35
They certainly don't. You know, Professor Emma Reynold
1:02:38
in South Wales, why is she writing in her paperwork?
1:02:41
There's no such thing. Childhood innocence is a myth.
1:02:45
There's no such thing as childhood.
1:02:47
Only a person who has never experienced childhood or never
1:02:51
appreciated childhood will say it's a myth.
1:02:55
So you've got to put questions over that human being as well.
1:02:57
What kind of human being are you if you think that childhood is a
1:03:01
myth? And.
1:03:01
What sort of upbringing do they have exactly?
1:03:03
That if you think it's the norm, that's what I've said before.
1:03:06
You know, I listen to a video of her once.
1:03:08
As you know, I'm a criminologist.
1:03:10
Listen to a video of her once and I didn't know I was
1:03:12
listening to her and all I could do was a child trapped.
1:03:16
And I was like, who's that? And then as we got on to the
1:03:18
back of the curse, you would I was just like, that's Professor
1:03:21
Emma Reynold a lot. You can tell a lot from people.
1:03:24
She's very comfortable amongst her peers.
1:03:27
She wouldn't dare come out into public.
1:03:29
She's taking her social media away.
1:03:30
But round her peers in her circles where these things are
1:03:34
OK, because she writes in her papers as well.
1:03:37
Child plus adult equals OK. She writes this stuff.
1:03:40
I just read it. You know, you, you, your mind
1:03:44
doesn't have to wonder. You got to be a special kind of
1:03:47
woman being to think that stuff's OK.
1:03:48
Anyway, yeah. So we we deal.
1:03:51
Or you have to be heavily influenced by something that's
1:03:54
happened to you or something that's been painted the norm to
1:03:56
you. You know, there's no two ways
1:03:58
about it. So if we ground it out, you can
1:04:02
see something's wrong. You've got a wonderful team
1:04:04
around you that sees things wrong.
1:04:06
We we, you are now demonstrating that internationally there are
1:04:10
still good people who see things wrong.
1:04:13
And the key bit is the people who, where, where does it come
1:04:17
from in here? Does not really, you know,
1:04:19
something's wrong. You know, what's being done is,
1:04:22
is absolutely disgusting. It's, it's up to the good people
1:04:26
to stand up and do something about it.
1:04:29
And I, I think you've, you've given a great example here, Kim,
1:04:34
of what can be done when somebody does stand up.
1:04:38
Well, you know, this is not a debatable issue.
1:04:39
This is the death of innocence, no two ways about it.
1:04:42
This is the death of innocence. So, you know, are you going to
1:04:47
win this fight? I don't know.
1:04:49
But let me tell you something now.
1:04:50
I'm not living in a world that doesn't have innocence, Brian.
1:04:53
And I will die on this hill. I will.
1:04:56
You know, there's no two ways about it.
1:04:58
I am not living in a world that does not have innocence.
1:05:01
Yeah. And I will fight every single
1:05:03
day. Fight, you're not going to be
1:05:05
dying because we're, we're going to win this thing.
1:05:07
I, I really do feel that this point in 2025, the first time in
1:05:13
nearly 20 years the UK columns been going, you can see stuff
1:05:17
starting to move. So although there's a lot of
1:05:19
really bad stuff happening out there, I think the fact people
1:05:23
are beginning to fight back is a huge positive.
1:05:26
Yeah, well people are getting mobilised now, aren't they?
1:05:28
And you know, people have said to me, but there's nobody in my
1:05:31
area, I'm on my own. OK, well if you're on your own,
1:05:35
go to the cafe the same time every week and have a coffee
1:05:38
hour on your own. And then you spark up a
1:05:40
conversation with someone and before you know it, there'll be
1:05:42
two of you in the cafe. Then there'll be 3 of you in the
1:05:44
cafe. And then people, you're going to
1:05:46
wonder why this big group is in the cafe.
1:05:48
You know, if you're on your own, that's all you need.
1:05:50
We don't need leaders. We don't need big groups.
1:05:53
We need to lead by example. When we can stand up for
1:05:56
ourselves, we can stand up for people next to us.
1:05:58
They learn to stand up for themselves.
1:06:00
And this is what it's about. This is how this filth come in.
1:06:03
With the start of one small group of people, we can end it.
1:06:06
We want a small group of people. You know, it's not rocket
1:06:09
science. It's filth.
1:06:11
Brilliant, Kim, utterly brilliant.
1:06:14
Great to talk to you. Just tell the audience where
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1:06:21
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Fantastic. And you're looking for what,
1:07:01
5000? Yeah, we, I think we're on about
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two now. We've got a £5000 limit on it
1:07:06
that will cover a team of four and the accommodation.
1:07:11
Yeah, OK, Brilliant. Well, we, we will make sure, we
1:07:14
will make sure that we're looking at the audience in the
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eye and saying this is something you should really be supporting
1:07:20
because the children are our future.
1:07:24
There is no future without the children and the grandchildren.
1:07:27
So we need to protect them. Absolutely.
1:07:30
What is a world without innocence?
1:07:33
Absolutely, Kim, thank you very much for joining me.
1:07:36
It's been fun. It's been great to sit here.
1:07:39
One of the lights did go out. I don't know whether you noticed
1:07:42
that, but no big problem. But thank you for coming to the
1:07:46
column. No.
1:07:46
Thank you very much for having me, Brian.
1:07:48
Really appreciate that. Brilliant.
1:07:50
Thank you. There we go.