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Murder In Moscow: Psychologist Criticizes Prosecutors Over Bryan Kohberger Agreement (8/11/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. One
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest issues when it comes to the Brian
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  Speaker 1: Colberger a plea deal was the fact that he was
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  Speaker 1: enforced to give an open confession in court. That should
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  Speaker 1: have been part of it, but instead the judge allowed
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger just to state as simple yes when asked
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  Speaker 1: if he murdered those four kids, and he said yes,
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  Speaker 1: he admitted to it. But that wasn't enough. He should
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  Speaker 1: have been enforced if he wanted the deal to give
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  Speaker 1: a statement in open court, and if he didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to do that, they should have taken it to trial.
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  Speaker 1: A guy like Brian Colberger should not be leading the dance,
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  Speaker 1: and he should have been forced if he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get the death penalty off the table, to give a
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  Speaker 1: full accounting. But we know that never happened, and now
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  Speaker 1: it's opened the door for this appeal that we see
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger now making. So today we have an article
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  Speaker 1: from Fox News and the headline Brian Colberger's post conviction
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  Speaker 1: relief bid enabled by flawed plea deal, psychologist argues. This
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  Speaker 1: article was authored by Michael Ruiz and Ashley Papa, the
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  Speaker 1: forensic psychologist who publicly warned last year that Brian Colberger's
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  Speaker 1: plea agreement was part of the killer's calculated long game plan.
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  Speaker 1: Is arguing that prosecutor has miss critical opportunity by not
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  Speaker 1: requiring Brian Colberger to fully explain the Idaho student murders
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  Speaker 1: as part of the deal, leaving him room to reshape
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  Speaker 1: his story as he returns to court despite waiving his
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  Speaker 1: right to appeal. And that was always a big thing,
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  Speaker 1: because even though the judge dictated that he wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to appeal, we all know that that's
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  Speaker 1: not true. We all know that the way the system
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  Speaker 1: set up, there's always a workaround, and Brian Colberger has
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  Speaker 1: certainly found that workaround. And that's why I think that
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  Speaker 1: he should have been forced to admit, down to the
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  Speaker 1: gorious of details, what he did. I know that's not
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  Speaker 1: something that the families would have wanted to hear, and hell,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to hear it either, But I think
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  Speaker 1: it's important to have the record set straight, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it's important to make sure that when somebody is
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  Speaker 1: accepting a plea deal like this, that they tell the
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  Speaker 1: truth and the full truth. They shouldn't be given an
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  Speaker 1: out where they're like, Okay, yeah, I did that, Let's
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  Speaker 1: keep it moving. Is that closure for the families? I
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  Speaker 1: mean for some maybe, but me personally, I know that
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  Speaker 1: I'd want an explanation. Listen, bitch, ass, you're not getting
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty. The least you can do is tell
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  Speaker 1: the world why you did what you did. But now,
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  Speaker 1: according to this psychologist, mister Chris Mohandi, he feels like
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  Speaker 1: this is all just a big play by Colberger and
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  Speaker 1: was always part of the plan. It was a real
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  Speaker 1: mistake and series of heavy mistakes by the DA's office
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  Speaker 1: to enter into this deal. Because now we're here putting
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  Speaker 1: the victims through all this again with having gotten nothing,
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  Speaker 1: said doctor Chris Mohandy, a police and forensic psychologist, an
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  Speaker 1: expert on violent behavior. And it's frustrating, especially considering all
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  Speaker 1: of the accommodations that Brian Colberger got leading up to
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  Speaker 1: the trial. I mean, this man had the whole entire proceeding,
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  Speaker 1: moved to a different county, but sure he was getting railroaded. Colberger,
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  Speaker 1: who took a deal to escape the potential death penalty,
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  Speaker 1: is serving four consecutive sentences of life without the chance
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  Speaker 1: of parole, plus another ten years and look, the only
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  Speaker 1: good thing that could come of this, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: is that Brian Colberger ends up getting the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't say that lightly. I'm not somebody that's
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  Speaker 1: a big fan of capital punishment, but when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to somebody like this, somebody as evil, somebody as heartless
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  Speaker 1: as Brian Colberger, yeah, I'm all for it. And I
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  Speaker 1: believe the evidence was sufficient to get across the goal line.
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  Speaker 1: And I understand why the prosecution did it. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of times, that's what you'll see, right. They want to
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  Speaker 1: avoid any kind of pain for the families if they can,
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  Speaker 1: while at the same time getting the result that they're
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  Speaker 1: looking for. But I think in this instance, when we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about something as disgusting as this murder or these murders,
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  Speaker 1: you got to go all the way. You have to
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  Speaker 1: send a message to people who might do this kind
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  Speaker 1: of shit. We're not playing no games here and if
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  Speaker 1: you do it and we catch your bitch ass helicopters Volcanoes.
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  Speaker 1: Last month, however, he filed a petition for a post
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  Speaker 1: conviction relief, claiming that he had ineffective counsel and that
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  Speaker 1: he'd been misled, while insisting that he's innocent of the murders.
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  Speaker 1: This dude was never ready to take responsibility. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to deal with the death penalty. That's what it
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  Speaker 1: came down to. The narcissist in him wanted nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with it. And after all the shit they threw
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  Speaker 1: at the judge, all the things they tried, there was
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  Speaker 1: no way that Brian Coberger was wiggling off the hook.
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  Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, execution thought it would be a
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  Speaker 1: good idea to enter into this plea negotiation with the
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  Speaker 1: dude that they had by the short hairs. So I'll
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  Speaker 1: never understand it. Police found his DNA on a knife
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  Speaker 1: sheath recover from the crime scene in a bed with
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  Speaker 1: two of the four University of Idaho students. Colberger admitted
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  Speaker 1: to killing in a July twenty twenty five change of
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  Speaker 1: plea hearing, like how do you escape that? I want
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  Speaker 1: everybody to understand I don't have a bone to pick
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  Speaker 1: with Brian Colberger as a person. I don't care about
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  Speaker 1: that dude, but I think that the evidence is strong
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  Speaker 1: enough that he would have gotten the death penalty. So
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  Speaker 1: if anybody wants to try and convince me that he's innocent,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a long road. Now. I'm willing
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  Speaker 1: to look at the evidence, of course, because we might
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  Speaker 1: have missed something, and I don't just trust the government.
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  Speaker 1: What I do trust, though, is the evidence. And if
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  Speaker 1: the evidence is strong like we've seen here, and not
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  Speaker 1: only that, but backed up by testing done at Authrum,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say they have the right guy. Now. If
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger wants to dispute that, the time to do
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  Speaker 1: that was at the trial, not now. But of course
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  Speaker 1: that would not have caused the maximum amount of pain
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  Speaker 1: that Brian Colberger wants to inflict on the families of
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  Speaker 1: his victims. And I think that's what it all comes
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  Speaker 1: down to. This dude wants to continue tormenting those families.
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  Speaker 1: Mahandi said that prosecutors should have required Colberger to provide
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  Speaker 1: a full account of the killings before accepting the plea,
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  Speaker 1: even if, as Leta County prosecutor Bill Thompson said after sentencing,
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  Speaker 1: they believed he would lie. Yeah. I don't care either.
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  Speaker 1: Get him on record, that's the whole point. Get this
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  Speaker 1: piece of shit on record, and let's see what he
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  Speaker 1: has to say. But what you're doing if you do
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  Speaker 1: that is you're avoiding this whole entire trip down a
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  Speaker 1: rabbit hole later on down the road. And the only
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  Speaker 1: reason that I was ok with the process taking so
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  Speaker 1: long is so that we'd avoid this when we got
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  Speaker 1: to the trial. Right, Brian Colberger wouldn't have a leg
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  Speaker 1: to stand on if he tried to challenge the process.
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  Speaker 1: Yet here we are, all these years later, and that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what this dude's doing. Well, that's the lame excuse
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, because at least you've got him admitting
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  Speaker 1: something Mohandi said. This way, he can pull back and
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  Speaker 1: say I didn't admit to doing anything. I said nothing.
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  Speaker 1: There are no stories or statements related to me, and
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  Speaker 1: I was coerced into this. I had terrible counsel. It
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  Speaker 1: enables him to have a complete playing field for him
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  Speaker 1: to dance around with now an infinite array of lies.
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  Speaker 1: So pin them to a story is part of why
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  Speaker 1: you do this. And it's going to have people out
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  Speaker 1: here biting onto the bullshit and acting like Coburger's innocent.
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  Speaker 1: You see what's going on with Tyler Robinson. There are
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  Speaker 1: some really really demented people out there that don't care
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  Speaker 1: about the truth or the evidence. They look at this
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  Speaker 1: shit as the entertainment, and I find that to be
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  Speaker 1: just absolutely disgusting. We're talking about real people here, families, friends,
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  Speaker 1: loved ones. Their lives are shattered forever, and you want
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  Speaker 1: to get out here and play games and act like
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger's innocent even though there's a mountain of evidence
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  Speaker 1: pointing in the other direction. You better pack a fucking
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  Speaker 1: lunch because your bullshit is going to get called out too.
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  Speaker 1: Mahandi said the absence of any detailed confession now gives
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  Speaker 1: Coburger a room to challenge the case while forcing victims'
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  Speaker 1: families to relive the proceedings. And that was the goal. Man.
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  Speaker 1: This dude wants to have as much pain and suffering
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  Speaker 1: as possible. It was ill conceived, it was poorly designed,
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  Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, you know the
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  Speaker 1: victims are being retraumatized by all of this, he said.
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  Speaker 1: The psychologists also argued that Colburger's handwritten post conviction petition
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  Speaker 1: and attempts to regain the spotlight for himself are consistent
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  Speaker 1: with the personality traits he's long associated with the convicted killer. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: there is no doubt this man is a degenerate without
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  Speaker 1: a doubt, and it's just like I said about the
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  Speaker 1: timing of the killings. He wanted to murder these kids
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  Speaker 1: around the holidays. That's maximum impact, right, You murdered them
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  Speaker 1: around the holidays, and you room the holidays for the
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  Speaker 1: families forever. And that's what Brian Colberger's goal always was,
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  Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, first and foremost, his desire
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  Speaker 1: to get away with things and to outsmart the system.
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  Speaker 1: And I do believe that notoriety and fueling his notoriety,
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  Speaker 1: continuing to fuel that is a secondary gain as well.
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  Speaker 1: Mahandi said, that's a lot of these sick people. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that if Brian Kolberger wasn't caught, he would
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  Speaker 1: have killed again. I think he has all the elements
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  Speaker 1: of a serial killer. Illustrating that, Colberger's decision to call
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  Speaker 1: a reporter from prison before filing the petition, he said,
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  Speaker 1: he's a common archet type, if you will, Mahandi said,
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  Speaker 1: he's not special, but he believes he's special, which is
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  Speaker 1: a commonality among these people. The belief that you're special
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  Speaker 1: when you're not, the belief that you're smarter than other
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  Speaker 1: people and cannot with them. Oh, that's definitely a trait.
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  Speaker 1: He has. Brian Colberger thinks he's so smart that it's
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  Speaker 1: not even funny. Not smart enough to get away with it, though,
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  Speaker 1: is he Mahandi said, that's why he believes the public
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  Speaker 1: should resist looking at killers. That's fascinating figures. They're terrible
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  Speaker 1: people and monsters. He said, Well, in my opinion, that's
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  Speaker 1: certainly what Brian Colberger is. And I think that if
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  Speaker 1: by some miraculous reason he gets this overturned, then he's
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  Speaker 1: going to set himself up for a trip to the
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  Speaker 1: shooting gallery. And I mean that literally, Idaho has passed
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  Speaker 1: capital punishment by shooting. So if Brian Colberger goes back
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  Speaker 1: to trial and gets convicted, my man's gonna end up
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  Speaker 1: in front of a bunch of dudes with rifles. And
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  Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, if anybody has earned that fate,
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  Speaker 1: it's most certainly Brian Coohberger. All Right, folks, that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: do it for this one. All the information that goes
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