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Hutton & Withrow: Tennessee ROBBED? SEC Officiating Outrage, Cam Ward Disaster & Aaron Rodgers Sounds Off · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on sport and state.
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  Speaker 1: Glad you're with us as we're presented by Hard Rock.
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  Speaker 1: This is Hutton and Withrow. Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: He's Withrow. I'm Hutton.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got a lot to discuss throughout the day.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get you through the morning ready for
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  Speaker 1: the upcoming week, but also recapping the big storylines and
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  Speaker 1: what has us ticked off for greatness.
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  Speaker 2: Chad, good to see you, man. Hope things are well. Hutton,
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  Speaker 2: they're not. I am pissed off for greatness today. Normally,
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  Speaker 2: we just had a little small talk banter, and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, things great. I'm feeling good. I'm in a
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  Speaker 2: good headspace and all that. Look, I'm fired up for
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  Speaker 2: a big Monday show, but I am pissed off for greatness,
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  Speaker 2: and not just with the Tennessee Vols, but with a
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  Speaker 2: number of teams that we talk a lot about on
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  Speaker 2: this show, but also the state of sports that I
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  Speaker 2: love right now. I'm pissed off for greatness. This is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a great show. Hutton, I am ready.
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  Speaker 2: I am willing. I am able to be whatever you
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  Speaker 2: and everyone needs me to be today. Whether that be
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  Speaker 2: the enforcer, the clown, I'll be whatever you need me
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  Speaker 2: to be. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Man, there's a lot of fan bases right now who
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  Speaker 1: are pissed off this morning based on what happened. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of the two lost teams, as we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: later in the show. We'll get to the Tennessee Titans,
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, and international games. A lot coming up.
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  Speaker 1: But let's start with the balls. Look, guys, Point blank,
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  Speaker 1: Lenore Sellers put on a show, man. I haven't thought
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  Speaker 1: about him in the quarterback conversation in a long time.
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  Speaker 1: And watching him on Saturday, Chad, he put the Gamecocks
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  Speaker 1: on his back. I mean, he made plays that I
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard about him making recently. And it puts him
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  Speaker 1: back into the discussion of the leader that South Carolina needed.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot to break down on this game,
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  Speaker 1: but first and foremost... Shout out to him. He played
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  Speaker 1: an excellent game.
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  Speaker 2: He had a Matrix-like touchdown to tie the game. That
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  Speaker 2: was incredible. I don't know that I've ever seen someone
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  Speaker 2: physically contort their body that way with such strength. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't for lack of effort by Tennessee. He had a
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  Speaker 2: guy tackling him low, pulling him back, another guy on
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  Speaker 2: his torso, and he somehow twists himself to put the
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  Speaker 2: ball over the line. It was more impressive.
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  Speaker 1: I thought of the play that McNair made in the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl in 1934. where he's being rushed and he
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  Speaker 1: puts his hand down and somehow stays up. It was
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  Speaker 1: more impressive than that. I mean, he was horizontal to
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  Speaker 1: the sideline, nearly going down. I mean, was going down.
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  Speaker 1: And somehow has the strength to push forward and get
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  Speaker 1: across the line. He was unstoppable on that particular play.
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  Speaker 2: You're right. Yeah, look, I thought he was what I
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  Speaker 2: knew him to be. A great runner. A load to
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  Speaker 2: bring down. I mean, he's over 240 pounds. He is
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  Speaker 2: very difficult in the open field for a defensive back
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  Speaker 2: to tackle because of his strength and speed. I also
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  Speaker 2: saw the Lenora Sellers that, you know, unfortunate for South
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  Speaker 2: Carolina fans, they've had to see a lot of over
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  Speaker 2: the years. He misses three wide open guys. Tennessee has
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  Speaker 2: a bust on one, overthrows a guy for a touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you sprinkle in those moments too, where it's like,
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  Speaker 2: why can't you put this together completely in the passing game?
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  Speaker 2: I thought early on, Kendall Bryles really worked over Jim
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  Speaker 2: Knowles with his script. I mean, those quick passes, the
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  Speaker 2: RPO game, it was Kendall Bryles one and then two,
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  Speaker 2: Jim Knowles zero and zero on those first two drives.
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  Speaker 2: Terrific job by South Carolina coming out of the gates.
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  Speaker 2: And I watch the start of that game and I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 2: I'm having flashbacks to 2022. I'm thinking, is South Carolina
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  Speaker 2: about to put 63 up on Tennessee? This is an
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  Speaker 2: absolute housing of a game. Tennessee is going to get
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  Speaker 2: blown off the field. And then I give credit to
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee for getting off the mat on the road. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they go and march on two drives like they had
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  Speaker 2: last week against Alabama. Yes. You know, a 14 or
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  Speaker 2: 15-play drive, the longest in the Josh Heupel era in
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  Speaker 2: terms of plays. It was a this team's for real moment, Chad.
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  Speaker 1: This team's for real, legit, is what I'm thinking whenever
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  Speaker 1: they get off the mat like you pointed out.
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  Speaker 2: And not just the one drive. You know, back-to-back long
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  Speaker 2: drives where they start to run the ball with Bishop.
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  Speaker 2: They sprinkle in some passes here and there. And that's
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  Speaker 2: when you realize, okay, this is what this Tennessee team is.
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  Speaker 2: We're late enough in the season now. There's no disguising it.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to suddenly be a team that's going
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  Speaker 2: to throw for 350 yards in a game. They are
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  Speaker 2: going to beat you with defense. They're going to beat
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  Speaker 2: you with their offensive line, running the football, occasionally throwing
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  Speaker 2: the ball to Mike Matthews, occasionally snapping it to Mike
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  Speaker 2: Matthews for a touchdown run when they do snap it
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  Speaker 2: to him. He's the best player on the team with
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  Speaker 2: the ball in his hands. Deshaun Bishop is the most
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  Speaker 2: reliable player. player with the ball in his hands. This
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  Speaker 2: is what Tennessee is. Unfortunately for Tennessee and Josh Heupel,
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  Speaker 2: what Tennessee is is a team that commits way too
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  Speaker 2: many penalties. This is not a new occurrence. Since he
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  Speaker 2: got there in 2021, they've committed way too many penalties.
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  Speaker 2: Early on, the explanation was when you run this fast,
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  Speaker 2: operationally you're going to commit more penalties than the other team.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tradeoff for scoring all the points, for playing
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  Speaker 2: so fast, for doing what Tennessee does. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the excuse is now that this team plays so slow.
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  Speaker 2: Now that they are a ball control, run the football team,
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  Speaker 2: they've got to clean up the procedural stuff when the
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  Speaker 2: play starts, okay? Now let's get to why I'm pissed
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  Speaker 2: off for greatness on this. Well, real quick, real quick.
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  Speaker 1: That's all due to McIntyre, right? like the pace, the style.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's due to their personnel.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's also, Josh Heupel has this
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  Speaker 2: reliance on his defense when he gets a good defense.
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  Speaker 2: He did this in 2024. He slowed it down big
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  Speaker 2: time with Nico. He ran the ball a lot more
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  Speaker 2: with Dylan Sampson. He will play to his strength. And
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  Speaker 2: if he feels like the defense is the strength, he's
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  Speaker 2: going to try not to screw it up for the defense.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's, it's not just McIntyre. It's This
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  Speaker 2: is how they're going to be successful. They need to
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  Speaker 2: do this. They need to work the clock. They need
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  Speaker 2: to give their defense a rest. They need to rely
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  Speaker 2: on that defense, their special teams. That's the smart move
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  Speaker 2: for this team. Oh, no doubt. It is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's just McIntyre is why they're doing it.
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  Speaker 1: To me, I would lead with that, though, just because
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  Speaker 1: it is his backup. I'm not trying to knock him
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  Speaker 1: because he's been fine, but it is his backup young quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's protecting the football. And look, Dinkin' Dunk
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  Speaker 1: works with this offense.
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  Speaker 2: It does. It's an extension of the run game.
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  Speaker 1: I count those screens as just another run, putting the
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  Speaker 1: ball in the hands of the talented receivers that have
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  Speaker 1: some speed. Tennessee's got that, man. And they're getting yards
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  Speaker 1: after catch. That's all great. But I think he does
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  Speaker 1: need to slow it down a bit and process and
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  Speaker 1: talk to his quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think he's doing– I don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: done a bad job. I think he's doing what he
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  Speaker 2: needs to with this offense. This is how I would
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  Speaker 2: play it, too, if I were Josh Heupel, knowing what
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  Speaker 2: you have and knowing that you've got the best workhorse
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  Speaker 2: in the SEC in Deshaun Bishop, who gets better and
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  Speaker 2: better as games go on. But I'll also say some
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  Speaker 2: of these penalties you've got to start to avoid. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's go to history being made in this game. Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: had three touchdown passes called off the board. That's never
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  Speaker 2: happened in a loss for a team in college football history,
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  Speaker 2: to have three touchdown passes negated. The first two were legit,
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  Speaker 2: completely legit. It was a procedural issue. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why Braylon Staley's moving back a yard as the ball's
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  Speaker 2: being snapped with Josh Heupel right there telling him not
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  Speaker 2: to and talking to him. That negated the one penalty.
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  Speaker 2: The other one was I think Deshaun Bishop was covered
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  Speaker 2: up and ran a route, so it was an ineligible
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  Speaker 2: man downfield, even though it had no bearing– on the
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  Speaker 2: play because it was just a quick lob pass that
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  Speaker 2: was perfect to Mike Matthews for a touchdown. That's unfortunate,
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  Speaker 2: but that's Tennessee shooting themselves in the foot. The third one,
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  Speaker 2: I think, is any holding call is subjective. You could
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  Speaker 2: call holding a lot of times over the course of
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  Speaker 2: a game. I thought it was a BS weak call.
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  Speaker 2: Was it by definition a hold? Yes. Do I think
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  Speaker 2: it affected the play? No. George McIntyre's getting hit on
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  Speaker 2: the other side. Not by that guy as it's happening.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's getting to George McIntyre as he
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  Speaker 2: throws it regardless. It's a quick little hook of the
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  Speaker 2: collar as an inside move is made and then a
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  Speaker 2: release from David Sanders Jr. I thought it was a
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  Speaker 2: BS call, and that's the one where George McIntyre's caught
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  Speaker 2: on camera saying, Every bleep in time we throw a touchdown,
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  Speaker 2: a flag is thrown. It was a great throw from McIntyre.
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  Speaker 2: Great job by Braylon Staley, who's had a very tough
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  Speaker 2: year for Tennessee, and I don't quite understand it. But
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  Speaker 2: good job by him holding on in the end zone
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  Speaker 2: after getting popped. Game's over with that touchdown. Tennessee's up
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  Speaker 2: 11 points. The defense had not allowed a point in
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  Speaker 2: the second half. for Tennessee at that point, I think
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  Speaker 2: that probably puts the game away. Hutton, my issue with
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  Speaker 2: this game is, and I called it. Look, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to sit here and cry and say, you know, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, this is totally unexpected. You picked this with
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  Speaker 2: hard rock bet. Tennessee lost to Arkansas. I'd probably be
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  Speaker 2: on here crying talking about how unexpected that was. I
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  Speaker 2: said Vegas knows. I said South Carolina. This is so
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  Speaker 2: predictable that Tennessee is going to go on the road.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to let down South Carolina. had two weeks
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  Speaker 2: to prepare, they're going to go in and win the game.
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  Speaker 2: First off, the SEC has to figure out. They're getting
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  Speaker 2: more and more like the NFL. Figure out how you
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  Speaker 2: have such a bad discrepancy in off weeks. Clay Travis
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  Speaker 2: wrote about this in his column, too. Tennessee should not
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  Speaker 2: be playing their eighth straight game, then going on the
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  Speaker 2: road against a team with two weeks to prepare. You
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  Speaker 2: need to line it up where either two teams take
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  Speaker 2: the week off at the same time before they play
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  Speaker 2: each other, which you could do, and or don't have
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  Speaker 2: it where one team is going on the road, the
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  Speaker 2: other team is hosting a team that has run through
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  Speaker 2: the gauntlet that many games in a row versus another
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  Speaker 2: team playing the team that's rested.
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  Speaker 1: Okay and you're catching you're catching South Carolina gaining momentum.
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  Speaker 2: Gain momentum after that and look there's no way to
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  Speaker 2: know that when you make the schedule you don't you
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  Speaker 2: don't they were going to go to Florida that they
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  Speaker 2: were going to go to Florida and blow them out
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  Speaker 2: right you don't know that but you can prevent some
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  Speaker 2: of those issues from happening.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and now with the two bye weeks coming up,
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  Speaker 1: they have to do that. Right. They are like the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: but there are big discrepancies sometimes with the NFL as
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  Speaker 1: well that are just hard to avoid based on how
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  Speaker 1: they schedule everything.
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  Speaker 2: But again, you can fix.
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  Speaker 1: That with the rotating schedule that the SEC is making,
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  Speaker 1: especially if everyone's going to play on the same week.
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  Speaker 2: That's the other part of this. Well, so again... Tell
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  Speaker 2: me if my math is off here, but you could
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  Speaker 2: just have where you have two teams each week that
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  Speaker 2: have a bye week. I know that would push some
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  Speaker 2: bye weeks too early because then you're looking at an
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  Speaker 2: eight-week rotation. So that's a long period of time where
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  Speaker 2: teams want to take it more in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the season. So you're going to have some early bye
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  Speaker 2: weeks and then some really late bye weeks. But my
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  Speaker 2: point is, in an SEC league-heavy schedule, if you did
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  Speaker 2: it at the same time, There's no issues with teams
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  Speaker 2: complaining about it when they play each other. This was
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  Speaker 2: the worst recipe for Tennessee that they could possibly have
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  Speaker 2: of a team hosting them, having had the bye, and
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  Speaker 2: them going eight straight weeks before getting the bye. And
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  Speaker 2: now Tennessee and Kentucky, this is the way it should be.
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee and Kentucky, both are off this week. So then
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  Speaker 2: they come off the bye together, completely rested when they
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  Speaker 2: play in two weeks in what we knew was going
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  Speaker 2: to be a gigantic game, and it still is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a gigantic game here in two weeks. But Hutton,
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  Speaker 2: I just keep coming back to this. If South Carolina
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  Speaker 2: goes on to blow out Tennessee, and Tennessee looks like
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  Speaker 2: garbage the whole game, and Lenore Sellers looks like a
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  Speaker 2: Heisman contender the whole game after going up 14-0, I
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  Speaker 2: can explain that better. We could come in here and say, boy,
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee crapped the bed, and South Carolina looked great. I
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  Speaker 2: have a hard time wrapping my mind around how that
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: game was a little bit too predictable. From a Vegas
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  Speaker 2: standpoint and from a David Smith Jr. standpoint. David Smith Jr.
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  Speaker 2: is the lead official. David Smith Jr. is a former
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  Speaker 2: Alabama quarterback. And it's gotten to the point of almost parody.
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  Speaker 2: It's so comical how bad the officiating is for Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: games in games that this guy is the lead official.
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  Speaker 2: We've got some of the numbers up here. Now you
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  Speaker 2: could say, look, going back 12 years, 11 years, Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: was bad. in some of these years, of course they
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  Speaker 2: lost big, or of course they had more penalties in
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  Speaker 2: the opposition. The holding calls is what kills me. Procedural stuff,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go back and look at every, oh,
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  Speaker 2: did he false start or not? I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: look at that. You cannot tell me that Tennessee holds
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  Speaker 2: this much more than the opponent. in every game that
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  Speaker 2: David Smith Jr. calls. And you would say, okay, maybe
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  Speaker 2: this guy just calls more holds than anyone else. Look
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  Speaker 2: at the average versus every other team he officiates. And
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  Speaker 2: this is 12 games? Yeah, it's almost like he's taking
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  Speaker 2: joy in screwing over Tennessee at this point. And I
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  Speaker 2: am not some tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist guy. But it
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  Speaker 2: gets to the point when you hear his name, if
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  Speaker 2: you are a Tennessee fan... You already know the outcome.
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  Speaker 2: And when it's that predictable, when I can come on
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  Speaker 2: here and tell you exactly what's going to happen in
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  Speaker 2: this game, when it started to go south late for Tennessee,
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  Speaker 2: and you can say this is exactly what was always
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  Speaker 2: going to happen, that is not a good thing for
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  Speaker 2: the sport. Because the moment there is a whiff of
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  Speaker 2: impropriety in any sport is the moment that it goes downhill.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you that I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: this guy's on the take. I'm not saying that Vegas
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  Speaker 2: had something to do with this. I am telling you
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  Speaker 2: that I think this guy, with every fiber in his being,
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  Speaker 2: hates the University of Tennessee's football program. Absolutely hates it.
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  Speaker 2: He sees all the stuff that I'm going to say online,
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  Speaker 2: just like Shane Beamer sees everything. We're going to get
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  Speaker 2: into that if it's ever said online. This dude sees
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  Speaker 2: everything Tennessee fans have ever said about him, and instead
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  Speaker 2: of picking one day and one game to, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: go the other way and call the personal foul late
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  Speaker 2: hit on South Carolina that would have knocked him out
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  Speaker 2: of field goal range on that last play, or to
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  Speaker 2: call the hold on the run by Blenora Sellers that
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  Speaker 2: would have knocked him back also. He picks the day
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  Speaker 2: that Tennessee plays for his crew to throw a flag
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  Speaker 2: on Rodarius Jackson that was complete B.S., on that final drive.
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  Speaker 2: To throw the flag on David Sanders, that's complete BS.
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  Speaker 2: To not throw a pass interference because you claim the
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  Speaker 2: ball was tipped on what would have been a touchdown drive.
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  Speaker 2: The drive that ended in a field goal where Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: goes up seven, they go up 11 likely if you
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  Speaker 2: call the pass interference. Hutton, I'm tired of it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just a fan. I am someone who does this for
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  Speaker 2: a living and talking about these games, but I'm also
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  Speaker 2: a Tennessee grad. There's nothing I can do about it
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  Speaker 2: but bitch. And everybody's going to sit here and say, hey, cope, whine,
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  Speaker 2: bitch away, all that, great. You can claim that all
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  Speaker 2: you want. If I'm the University of Tennessee, I am
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  Speaker 2: going to the SEC office. I'm submitting all of these
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  Speaker 2: plays to them, and I am saying, and I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: Josh Heupel's not complaining outwardly. in his press conference, because
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  Speaker 2: trust me, there are a million things Tennessee could have done,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to get into it, to win that
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  Speaker 2: game that they had total control over. But if I'm
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  Speaker 2: somebody that's a Danny White or one of his deputies
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  Speaker 2: that's in charge of this, I am going to the
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  Speaker 2: league office and saying, this dude can't ref any more
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  Speaker 2: of our games. All right? What's done is done. What's
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  Speaker 2: in the past is the past. We refuse to play
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  Speaker 2: a game with David Smith Jr. as the lead official
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  Speaker 2: from here on out because it has gotten old, it
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  Speaker 2: has gotten tired, and Hutton, a word I'll go back
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  Speaker 2: to again, it's gotten way too predictable about what's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. What I want.
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  Speaker 1: To know with this record, because the record, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's atrocious whenever this guy is the lead official. Is
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  Speaker 1: this going back to like the Butch Jones, Derek Dooley
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: era with this record? Because those, I mean, Correct me
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but those teams were not nearly as
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: talented and probably did commit several of these penalties.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: That's number one.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: And I would also want to know with this record,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: who are the opponents where he's the lead official?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Is this Florida? Is this Bama?
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Or is this Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt? That would also
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: stand out to me. if I saw the spread.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, can he call a Bama game? I doubt it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think he can as a former Bama quarterback.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like any of the Ole Miss, any of
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: these games, Missouri comes to mind on the road a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: couple years back. And how many of those prior to
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: 2022 to when Eiffel took over and they've been on
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: this run.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: That would factor into my opinion on this. Cause I
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: don't know the games and how long he's been in
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: that position, but the, I mean, look, the, the, the
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: holding penalties are, I mean, that stands out first. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: then on the defensive side, it's pass interference, which wouldn't
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: be him, but it would be his crew.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's, that's also way lopsided, but I.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Want to know who the, what, what, who's, who's on
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: the field because this Tennessee team is way more different
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: than a team from a decade ago.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: No, I totally agree. And look, yes, some of those
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: games go back to Jeremy Pruitt, and there are some
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: bad Tennessee teams mixed in there where they were going
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: to lose regardless. And I'm not saying that David Smith Jr.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: has cost Tennessee every game he's ever officiated. I'm saying
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: that it's a recurring problem in games that he is
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: the official where the penalty discrepancy, even in years where
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Tennessee was not an overly– penalized team, suddenly flip-flops to
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Tennessee has way more penalties than the opposition, way more
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: holding calls than the opposition, which is a subjective one that,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: you know, and people are going to come back and say, well,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: stop holding. I'm like, everybody's holding. Like, you have to weigh,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: is it an egregious hold? Did you stop a sack
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: from happening? Was it a takedown? Did you hold on
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the outside, allowing a guy to get a 20, 30-yard gain? Like,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: these are the things you can see clearly on television
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: that To me, when you can see it clearly on TV,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: that's when you throw the flag on holding. When you're
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: watching the game and say, that's a hold on the outside,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the defender couldn't turn around, and the guy went around
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: him for a big gain on it. That's where you
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: throw the flag. Look, I thought of the three that
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: were called back, the touchdowns called back, I just really
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: thought the last one was the one, and that's where
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: George McIntyre, who never shows emotion, showed emotion on it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I thought that was the one that was the most
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: egregious one. And I think that Tennessee has, I think
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: David Smith Jr., the white hat, has an issue with
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Tennessee football. I truly believe that if you gave this
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: guy truth serum, he would tell you how much he
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: hates the Vols. Going back to his time in Alabama,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: going back to how fans have likely treated him poorly
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: because of the outcomes of these games, he has got
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: animosity towards Tennessee and wants to see them lose. That's
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: a problem when you go into that with an officiating crew.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: That's why if I'm Tennessee, I'm doing whatever I can
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to say, give us any other crew. Every week. Any
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: other crew.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Well, you would want the crew from the Alabama game.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Because they were not penalized harsh in that game.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm sure Tennessee's like, hey, give us that crew
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: from the Alabama game. You know, if they did. But look,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Tennessee also, of course, shot themselves in the foot. The
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: penalties were a problem. Coming out of the timeout, not
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: having to play ready. Those things. They're a yard away
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: from icing the game. Yes. And I am still fascinated
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: by what exactly happened that play. I saw a coach's break.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: of it that said it's very clear that the play
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: call is what they said postgame, which was the same
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: touchdown to DeSan Brame, where they give it to the fullback,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: which was Brame at the tight end, who lines up
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: as the up bat in the middle of the power
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: tee formation. The play is to give it to him.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: He's looking for it. And McIntyre never even had it
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: in his hands to hand it off. Javon Gordon, which
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I was saying live, pitch it to him because they're
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: going to get an easy first down if they pitch it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: He had no look to even get the ball. It
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: was a total fake. It's as if George McIntyre was
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: in such a hurry to carry out the fake on
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the pitch going right that he forgot to give the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: ball to DeSombre. And that is a mental lapse that
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: is inexcusable. And look, this is what you get with
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: a young quarterback. I mean, we'll go back to it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: We can go back to the preseason talking about this
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Tennessee team and Vandy the same way. It's a big
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: risk in 2026 college football not having a guy with
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: four or five years experience as your quarterback. When you
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: go into a brand new quarterback, there are a lot
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: of variables that go with that. That variable costs Tennessee
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: in the inexperience and a young quarterback just having a
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: mental lapse in the worst possible time because DeSan Brame
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is picking up three or four yards on that fourth
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and one with the hole that was opened up in
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the middle of that defense on that play. If you
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: watch where he follows the center into that gap and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: would have gotten a first down. Instead, George McIntyre falls
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: down for a two-yard loss. Saktorani goes on to score.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: The rest is history. Tennessee loses that game. It cost
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: them dearly. And they only have themselves to blame on
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that one. They had the right play call in. George
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: McIntyre just didn't execute it. And I want to know
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: what the miscommunication was, what the confusion was, or what happened.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Josh Haber just said there were some missteps by George.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And to me, I'm buying the old coach's breakdown of
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: it that says he just forgot to hand the ball off.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It's almost like he realizes as he starts to go,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I still have the ball in my hands. What did
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I do? And then just sort of falls down on
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: fourth down after that. It was bad.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And South Carolina, with the players who came back to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: play for Beamer, ended up making big plays in this game.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Dylan Stewart on the final play with the pass rush.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Things like that also popped up throughout this game. And
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk Shane Beamer coming up. Chaos in
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Columbia as well, post-game. A lot to discuss with the Gamecocks,
• 22:18
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  Speaker 1: at Hutton and Withrow. Chad, we both agreed last week,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: like if Shane Beamer got this game, he was safe
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: because he already has the game in Florida. And the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: way they played after the way they were playing, I
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: think spoke volumes. I did not expect them to win
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: at Florida based on the back-to-back losses and how they
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: lost and giving up. 17 point lead against Kentucky, things
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like that. And now they're gaining momentum. The players who
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: he was counting on and who counted on him are
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: starting to lock in. I mean, they're not a bad
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: team at all. The question would be, can they keep
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: this momentum going down the stretch?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like a team that's just now playing
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: loose and kind of with house money. Once they got
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: three losses, it's like, all right, now we don't have
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: to worry about that pesky playoff much anymore. So let's
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: just go ahead and start playing with house money. And
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: this is the team. This is the high end of
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that South Carolina team that we expected to see in
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the preseason. If they were going to have everything come together,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: because they do have great talent at the top, some
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of the best in the SEC. And now they're playing
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that way. Yeah. And you know what?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: This is the team that gave him the benefit of
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the doubt to keep his job last year.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. you know, with the four-win season. And he's been.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Very upfront and honest about everything. But this is the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: team that he felt like would keep his job instead
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of him bolting for like Virginia.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Tech or somewhere. Yeah. And this is the Shane Beamer, though,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: that really irritates, I think, a lot of people. And
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I think it irritates a lot of South Carolina fans also,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: because instead of just celebrating a big win over Tennessee,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: this is a laser-eared Shane Beamer postgame where coaches love
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: to talk about how they don't pay attention to outside
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: noise and they don't want their team to pay any
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: attention to outside noise. Here's Shane Beamer reacting. Again, this
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: is reacting to a win in 2026. And here's what
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Shane Beamer had to say postgame. I think he used
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: their last timeout. The scoreboard was wrong. It said they
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: had one left. They didn't have a timeout. So, come on, guys.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the conspiracy theory.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: He made the kick because they thought they had a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: timeout and they didn't.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what they're going to say. Well, look, there's
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a longer clip there where he's talking about 2022. Yes.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And he goes back to, you know, I don't want
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to hear about, you know, what we did last time
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: in 2022. Here's the rumor that they did last time
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: in 2022. There's a lot of ties with Connor Stallions
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to South Carolina and that Connor Stallions tipped off South Carolina,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: who wore armbands for the first time that year on
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: defense in that game and miraculously shut down Tennessee on
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: offense throughout the night where Tennessee was roasting Tennessee. SEC
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: opposition throughout the year. I have long forgotten about it.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I've dismissed it. Tennessee played bad that night. Hendon Hooker
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: got hurt. Yeah, that's how I remember the game. South
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Carolina played great. There's a lot of reasons Tennessee lost.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I have long forgotten and dismissed it. Clearly, Shane Beamer
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: has not forgotten it. And when you get that defensive
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: about this, and you are talking about this years after
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the fact, Hutton, it makes me believe more that you
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: are guilty of what Tennessee fans are accusing you of.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, Shane, but it's not some leap of
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: judgment or leap of logic to say that a guy
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in you who was fined and suspended in 2016 for
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: taking illegal information during the Wakey Gates issue with the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Wake Forest guy, and you were one of the ones
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: who were caught and didn't report it to your school
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: at the time and got fined. Oh man, why would
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Tennessee fans think that maybe six years later you could
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: have accomplished the same thing or done the same thing
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: if you were given information from Connor Stallions in Michigan?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Shane Beamer seems like a decent enough guy. Seems like
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: a good guy. He was caught cheating and fined. for
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: something very similar before. And Tennessee fans thought, oh, hey,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: look how good their defense suddenly looks. Maybe he cheated
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: again with the armbands. Not a complete leap in logic
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: that Tennessee fans would think that. But to bring this
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: back up after this game, this has me asking the question.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not asking the question anymore. Shane Beamer's safe. They
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: didn't want to pay him the buyout anyways. But is
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: that really what's good for South Carolina football? He is
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: winning this game. It's great in the short term. You
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: should enjoy it if you're a South Carolina fan. Absolutely.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying don't. Celebrate it. But is this what's
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: good for the long-term health of South Carolina football? When
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I watch that press conference in its totality, I start
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to ask myself that question.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, first off, to me, I'm trying to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: put myself in that situation. He's probably being asked questions
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: about something from guys who have been asking him about
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that deal back in 2022 with Stallion's. and is expecting
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: something there. I doubt he's having that on his mind
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: this far outside of that moment or that season. But
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: maybe he is. When he joins us on SEC Media
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Days each year, he doesn't come across as someone who
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: tells us that he doesn't read the clips. I think
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: he's one of the few who does. And I think
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: that's good for us and good for college football. I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: think he's honest with interviews, especially when it comes to accountability.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And I think it's good for South Carolina because the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: guy can recruit. He clearly can recruit to South Carolina.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And he's keeping his own players there. I think that's
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: good for college football. Now, does he continue? to do
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that whenever these guys go to the league?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But Chad, I think in this day and age, he's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: not going to keep his job there very long. It's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: tough to win, period, in the SEC. We're going to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: get to that. But at South Carolina, it's extremely hard
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to reach the expectations of that everyone has it every
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: single program. So is it good or bad? Ultimately, I
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: think they're paying the buyout anyway. I don't think they're
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: giving an extension this offseason. I don't see that happening
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: unless they're winning out. That would certainly surprise and be
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: worthy of something like that. But for a program that
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the cash flow or whatever they were talking
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: about to pay the buyout or doesn't really want to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: dig into the pockets of donors, it's a bad sign
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: either way.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, who are you going to hire? if you
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: fire him?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that speaks volumes that you don't
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: want to pay the buyout to begin with.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that's the question you're going to
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: ask in a lot of places now, you know, we got,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: we got new job openings now, NC state Baylor, both open.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: So Maryland, NC state Baylor have come open. Can he
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: do well enough to leave on his own court? You know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: as Shane Beamer, there was a lot of talk about
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Virginia tech. Is he the type of guy who would say, look,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I see the writing on the wall. I know my
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: fan base isn't thrilled. I was about to get fired mid-season.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, clearly the dude knows how to hold a grudge, right?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: We've seen that time and time again. So does he
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: hold a grudge with his own fan base that wanted
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: him fired after they lost their first three games? Does
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: he have that chip on his shoulder to say, if
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: NC State makes me a good enough offer, I'll leave
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: for that job? Can they play well enough the rest
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of the way and win enough games to where I mean,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: what if they went out and they're 9-3? That's what
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. And they're looking at a possible playoff berth
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: as a three-loss SEC team. Then he could write his
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: own checks. That's great. For what's to come for Shane Beamer.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: You're right. A lot of programs are going to have
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to debate and decide. Can we afford as a program
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to pay this lofty buyout? Or can we afford to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: keep the guy? and see the program continue with him
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: at the head of the program. I think in South
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Carolina's case, yes. Yes, they can afford to keep him
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: in that spot.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I just think it's a tough job. It's not gotten
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: any easier. I don't think it's gotten any harder either
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: with NIL and everything. I think it's about where it was.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: It's not a bad job, but in the SEC it's
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: one of the tougher ones because the fan expectation I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: think is higher than than what the outside college football
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: world would expect from the South Carolina program. But, I mean,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: look at all– and we're going to get into all
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the two lost teams, and we're going to try to
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: rank them at some point this week too, and it's
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: so difficult to do. And then you throw in that,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: that every year with a nine-game conference schedule, there's just
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: naturally going to be– everybody's going to have a really
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: tough schedule. But then you're going to have years like
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you're going to have Texas' schedule this year that looks impossible.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: When you look at their schedule, Alabama's schedule looks impossible
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: with some of the road games that they have. And
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: so even if you're at a job like a Texas
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: or Alabama, it's not like you're rolling into the season saying, boy,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: here's 10 guaranteed wins like you would with Notre Dame
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and thinking this is going to be an easy year.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: We've got a few weeks off here in the middle.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Every week, this is a week-to-week season. There is nothing
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: more true about the SEC this year than it is
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a week-to-week to week story. And what happened the previous
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: week has no bearing on the next week. And there's
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: no real momentum from week to week because everybody can
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: be everybody. Does an SEC like that benefit Shane Beamer
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: at South Carolina or hurt Shane Beamer at South Carolina?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of both. But I
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: watched that entire press conference, Hutton, the other night, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I think this is what media people love about Beamer,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: is that he can hold a grudge, he can give
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you a soundbite, he's going to talk about a fan
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: base from four years ago. And this is what I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: would hate if I'm a South Carolina fan, because you
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: see some of the problems within the program and you think,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: this dude is so concerned. about fans and what they
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: said from a big win from four years ago and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: not highlighting and not focusing on the things that matter
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: right now. And that is talking about this team and
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: how they overcame a tough start to this season. And
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: they're completely back on track now. They win at Florida.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: They blow them out. They find a way, and Tennessee
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: finds a way to help them. I think this game
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: was as much Tennessee lost it as much as South
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Carolina won it. But give them credit. When they got
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the fumble or they got the fourth down stop, they
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: went down and they made it happen. But I would
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: have big questions if I'm a South Carolina fan.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Well, they can afford to keep him, Chad, because of
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the 2014 playoff coming up.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: You know, the.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Expectations now broaden. the horizon of teams like South Carolina,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: where if you go 9-3, you're getting in. And can
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you make the case for 4? I mean, again, the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: schedule itself, where everyone's going to beat up on everyone,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: South Carolina in those moments are going to be on
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the outside looking in, just because of the program and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: how we view Alabama versus Vanderbilt, for instance, and trying
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to decide who gets in the 12th. But you know
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The expectations now fit the job moving forward.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: No longer does it get into 12. It's getting into 24. Again,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: can you afford to keep him?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: To continue on what he's doing. I wouldn't extend him.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't extend him. Because again, the job is tough.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: It does get a bit easier to meet expectations now.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Or it should for every coach. Because if you don't
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: get into the SEC... It's a down year. It's a
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: failure for many of these teams. But every fan base
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: has the expectation to get in.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And every coach is going to take L's. Yes. That's
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the thing, too, that this new world, fans have to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: warm up to the fact that it is not going
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: to be pretty over the course of this nine-game SEC schedule.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: You are going to take L's along the way. And
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: it's all about the ultimate goal is to make the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: college football playoff. Which, by the way, I'll go back to,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the 2014 playoff is going to help with a lot
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: of this, especially for the SEC. It is a benefit.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that a 2014 playoff is going
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to take away from people watching Tennessee-Alabama or watching BYU
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: go down this past weekend or whatever the game is
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: because it's just going to keep more people. Now South
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Carolina is completely safe for a 2014 playoff a year
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: from now if they're playing out. They're right there in
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the mix. And those fans are thinking, boy, let's root
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: our guy on and see what Beamer does. And if
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: he can make that playoff, then it's a successful season.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I just think it adds more intrigue and drama for
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: more programs over the course of the long season. Let's
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: see how it looks when it actually happens. I'm withholding
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: judgment on that. But I do think that a lot
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: of these things are proving that this is not going
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to be the worst thing in the world for college football,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the way many predict when you get to that 2014 playoffs.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Hey, look, his contract expires in 2030. currently according to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: google and he it goes up to 8.6 million in
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: salary in 2030 so look it's not it's not detrimental
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to the program and he's doing a decent job uh
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: he's coming off of a down year but the expectations
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: are there because he what he has done and again
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: i like it for college football because the players stayed
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: i think that speaks to uh to him as a
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: coach and what they want and who they want to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: play for. And I don't know them individually. I don't
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: know their personalities or who they are as individuals. I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: just know their talent level. Those dudes could have gotten
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a boatload of money. Just a quarterback, defensive end, wherever
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you want to put it. Texas Tech is paying.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of players who can hit the market.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: These guys chose to come back and came back with
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: him who also chose to stay. I think it's a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: no-brainer to keep him.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Keep them around. Well, and we're seeing it at A &
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: M this year. Just paying your roster a ton of money.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: We saw that with Jimbo Fisher, who also paid his
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: roster a ton of money. We're seeing that now that
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: it doesn't guarantee anything. I mean, it's all about matching
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: guys up in the right roster fits and then timing
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: it up with a schedule that's going to give you
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: a chance to do some things. But, I mean, there's
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: just so many opportunities for huge wins here. That's also
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: what we're realizing. Shane Beamer was dead, dead in the water.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, he is getting into it with his star
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: defensive end, getting blown out in Tuscaloosa. He's having to
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: talk about how great their practices were during the week.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: He's losing to Kentucky at home on a two-point conversion
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: from Will Stein. He's getting booed off the field. After
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: leading by 17. And he goes on the road and
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: just destroys Florida.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And then he gets a week off to get healthier.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And he comes back and miraculously steals one against Tennessee.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And now he's talking his talk post-game. It's crazy how
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: quickly things can change in this league.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Chad, what hasn't changed are the Tennessee Titans. They continue
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to falter. They're setting records, not for the good, but
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: for the bad. And Cam Ward's at the top of
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the list in terms of losses. And they continue to mount.
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• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Kelly was big on fading Hutton in our
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: group text on that Vandy Kentucky game. And I'm thinking,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: is it the 10-point home loss that really got you
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: excited about Vandy going on the road to Kentucky? And
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Kelly said in her charts and numbers and everything. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: of course, she took a big old L on that one.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: She's helped me out during the NCAA tournament, so every
• 40:51
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  Speaker 2: right now she took a big old L on that
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: one and took a big old W on that one. Yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: we did. Yeah, we did. Meanwhile, JT just continues to
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: completely sink every parlay that we throw out week after week.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: So JT doesn't do a lock. I think just the
• 41:10
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• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Don't think of it as a parlay that's going to hit.
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• 41:19
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• 41:22
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• 41:25
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• 41:28
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• 41:30
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• 41:32
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• 41:34
  Speaker 2: to Todd Furman or anybody else. I'm going to listen
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: to my heart, and I'm going to give a winner
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: this week. JT, can you vow to do this, please?
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts. Guys, I promise I have been. I just
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: want you to know one thing. Much like Cam, I ask.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not good at this, okay? Thank you. Yes, yes.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you, JT. JT. It's going to happen. It's going
• 41:58
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• 42:00
  Speaker 2: He's going to make it happen. This is the week
• 42:03
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• 42:06
  Speaker 1: There will be two out of three, and I'll be
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the one losing. Look, we just need to hit one
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: or two. We're back to the positive side of things.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: We're good to go, Chad. Not good is Cam Ward.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Not good is Brian Dable. And while we watched the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: offense put up points, the run game got going. Chad,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: if you tell me that Tony Pollard's carried the ball
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: 25 times for 130 yards and he's scoring three touchdowns,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the Titans got to win that game.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: They have to win that game. That's their game. Run game,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: play defense. And they get up 14-0. They still give
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: up that lead. And they come back and they're taking
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the lead again.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Look, this is.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: It's hard to win. It's also hard to lose the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: way they lose every single week. And I'm tired of
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: hearing about they're going to learn how not to lose.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And all the stuff that we're hearing post-game about how
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it's not just on the quarterback, everybody now is talking
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: about it, where it's just not good quarterback play. Now,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to do this every week. I want
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to point out that, yes, he drove down the field
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: and got the game tied. He made some big throws.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Great job to Cardinal Tate. But, I mean, who's fooling
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: who here? Every single week, if they start fast, which
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: is rare, they end up going dormant during the middle
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: portion of the game. Second and third quarter is non-existent.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And when the teams, for the most part, are playing pre-vent,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: or they're dropping safeties in the fourth quarter, that's whenever
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: they start to pick up passing yards. And we've yet
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: to see him pass for 300. That's a pipe dream
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: right now. It is hard to move the football in
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: this offense. And Brian Dable's play calling is telling us everything. Well,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: and Brian Dable's offense is also not good enough.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he's telling us he's handcuffed with it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I do. Okay.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I get that because the offensive line is fine. The
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: run game yesterday, again, they get the run game going
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: from the jump, and we still don't see the downfield
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: passing game until they have to push it down the field.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And even those moments are overthrown.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Why start him? This is what I don't understand. The
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: best thing to do for him is to bench him
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: at some point. And we've got the numbers right now,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: losses through two seasons of a starting quarterback to start
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: their career. Cam Ward, guys, when we look at this,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: he's going to blow these guys out of the water.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: He's two away from reaching Derek Carr. The Titans, let
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: me give you a little spoiler alert here the rest
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: of the year. They're losing more than two more football
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: games this season. I mean, he is not only going
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: to be the worst loser in the history of of
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks to start their career, he is going to be
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: by far worse than Jeff George and Derek Carr and
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence and Bryce Young. This is going to be
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: a joke by the time it's all said and done.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I keep coming back to this question. What is the
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: reason to start Cam Ward other than it doesn't matter anymore?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Nothing matters. What does anything matter? This team doesn't need
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: to win. Or if you're just trying to get the
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: number one pick, which I prefer the Titans do, to
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: go get Jeremiah Smith, If you tell me that, then
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I understand it. Like, hey, this guy gives us the
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: best chance to lose, and we want to lose because
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: we want Jeremiah Smith, so we're going to keep trotting
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: him out there. If you have any inclination of trying
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: to win football games, you go to Mitch Trubisky. You
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: go to Mitch Trubisky three or four weeks ago. You
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: have to if you want to win. Much less right now.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: And if Brian Dayball– and I agree with you, Hutton–
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: but if Brian Dayball is saying that with his play calling, guys–
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I got my hands tied behind my back here. I'm
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: playing left-handed because the quarterback can't get it, can't grasp
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: the offense, also can't hit easy passes at times, and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: it limits what I can call. If that's the case,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: why are you not starting Mitch Trubisky right now other
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: than you just want to lose games?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pull up. I don't have the exact quote.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I'll bring it tomorrow. But he said, Cam Ward said
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: that the offense, he said this postgame, the offense is
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: figuring out things very fast and I'm paraphrasing, but what,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, where we sit right now in the season
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: is miles down the road from where this, where they
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: should be, uh, or they're way behind.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Um, there's, there's no development. I don't see improvement.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And why is he playing? Because I think they have
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to play him. Um, I think that's part of the
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: gig coming in. Brian Dable, by the way, with the Giants,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: was a part of that regime that tried to trade
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: up and draft him.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, I'm shocked by the way they lost that
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: game the way it started. But let me say that also.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I thought for sure, oh, this is the day they're
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: going to put it together and they're going to run
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the football. And Cleveland's not very good on offense. And
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: they're going to win the game. Instead, they got KC
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Concepcion celebrating in front of their entire sideline after a touchdown.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: He was great. They got Dylan Sampson. the former Vol
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: playing well, and they come back and win on another
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: walk-off field goal, which is crazy when you see the
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: cardiac Cleveland Browns and how they've already done that so
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: many times. But Hutton, who's telling them now to keep
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: playing Cam? Well, who in that Titans organization believes he
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: is a marketable asset moving into the new stadium? I
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: don't understand anyone who would think that right now. Well,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know who that is currently.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I just believe, I don't know this, I just believe
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: that the whole part of this was developing him going
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: into 2027. I think a lot of the marketing aspects
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: of that new stadium has number one written all over it.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: And the entire off-season hiring process.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: What do we hear.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Whenever Sala was hired? That he had a great plan,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: even though he's a defensive guy, he had a great
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: plan for the development of Cam Ward. And the difference
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: between him and Vrabel is Vrabel has already moved on
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: from Mariota by now.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: You know, he's on to the next guy. That's not
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: the case here.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And we knew that three weeks ago, was it three
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: or four weeks ago, when Salah stood at the podium
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and said, you know, it's about the next 12 weeks
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: and whatever we're going to do to find out who
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: wants to be here. And we're going to, we're sticking
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: with Cam. You know, he's got, we're going to stick
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: with him for the season. He like hesitated and then
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: he went back and said for the season. I mean,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: there's nothing that I can really see that's just going
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to turn, that's going to flip the switch. And we're
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden going to see a quarterback who's
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: here and starting week one.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: A year from now.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you go into that offseason thinking
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that based on what we've seen.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I think it was easier with Mariota. Go ahead. Yeah,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I think to your point, Hutton, though, it was way
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: easier with Mariota because John Robinson didn't draft him, If
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: memory serves me correctly, Rustin Webster drafted Marcus Mariota. That's right.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: The one hindrance in this thing to me would be
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Mike Borgonzi, who drafted Cam Ward. And Mike Borgonzi can't
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: have that blemish on his record as a GM and
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: still go sell that he's doing a good job to
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: miss Amy and ownership. That's all fair. He's got blemishes, too.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: We've criticized Amy Adam Strunk and Burke Nihill. Burke Nihill
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: and Amy Adam Strunk are smart enough to know that
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Cam Ward sucks. They do now.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I think in the offseason, though, the entire hiring process
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: was about Cam Ward.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: He wanted to be a part of the hiring process,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and that was a long time ago in the offseason
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: because here we are getting ready for Halloween, and it's
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: trick or treat, and it's a trick. I think everybody
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: knows that now about Cam Ward. We've been talking about it.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: I know them to be smart enough to know. You
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: don't have to be a football savant to see that
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: this guy can't do the simple things and he's not
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: grasping what he's being asked to do. He's not an
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: NFL quarterback. Everybody can see it at this point. I
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: don't even have Cam Ward defenders anymore tweeting me. They
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: all see it now at this point too. So even
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: if the most diehard Cam Ward supporter out there is
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: having a tough time defending his play right now. The
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: only person to me that would even remotely be holding
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: out hope is Mike Borgonzi because it's about job preservation
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Well, if it's about that for him, clean house. Clean house.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Because I haven't seen development either from the staff with him.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: And again, what are we going to realistically see down
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the stretch of this season? Because it doesn't matter now
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: if you turn to Trubisky. Look, do I think Trubisky's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: going to be great?
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: No.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: But I think he wins games for you right now.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I think he would have won the game against the Giants.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: He doesn't throw that pick and tell everyone that was
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: intentionally thrown behind Eilmaner going after Denzel Ward because of
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: something else you saw on the field. I think you
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: could do more than just play screen game with him.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: You could run the offense a bit better. I do
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: believe that. This guy's been in the system with Dable before.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I think we see more, not this elementary style, we're
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: coming along very fast offense. There's nothing fast about this offense.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: There's nothing that you can count on with this group,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: except you can turn around and hand the football off.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: There's no excuse now, Chad. And I know you echoed
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: this too. The offensive line has not been the issue.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: They've cut the sacks in half. They're getting the ball
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: out fast because they have to. The run game has
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: not been the issue. They can run it if they
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: need to or if they want to. But again, can
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: they push it downfield? Where's Gunnar Helm been? We saw
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: him yesterday, but the tight ends, they're nonexistent because they're
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the third option on a play that doesn't make it
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: that far. It's odd that they haven't made the switch earlier.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Now it doesn't matter. And now it is about the
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: march towards the draft. But the Titans fans are used
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: to this.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: And I don't want Mike Borgonzi making that pick based
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: on what I've seen right now. I don't want him
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: making decisions. He had a chance to trade down and
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: not draft Cam Ward and get a plethora of picks.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: This team, this roster and this team, everything points back
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: to each other. It's the roster isn't good enough, which
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: is true. The coaching isn't good enough, which is true.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: The quarterback play isn't good enough, which is true. It's
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: everyone pointing at the other side when no one is
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: doing a good job within this organization on the football
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: side of things.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: And everyone's going to be like, I say everyone, some
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: will be like, oh, it's unfair to just put up
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: records and numbers and all that stuff and compare him
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to all these quarterbacks. There's not a list that he's
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: a part of, Chad, board, that's good. That's a good
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: list with quarterbacks. I mean, this 4-20 record, I mean,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: There are two quarterbacks that have turned things around on
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: that list. And one of them is Bryce Young. It
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: took a while, but it took him sitting the bench.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at Trevor Lawrence is the other one.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: And again, some of his losses are due to what
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: we saw with Urban Meyer. Everyone else is a backup
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: or out of the league. Blake Bortles had a good season.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: At one point, even. He's on this list, too. Let's
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: go down the list, though, of what the Titans have
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: right now and what they are from a leadership standpoint.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I'm talking football side of things. Mike Borgonzi has done
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: nothing to improve this roster in his time as the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Titans GM. The head coach strikes me as a bald,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: buff Butch Jones. That's what he sounds like. He's talking
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: about seed oils. He's using cliches to talk about the team.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: All gas, no break. All gas, no break. He is
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: a bald, more buff, congrats on the physical health, Butch Jones.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: That's what the head coach is. Your offensive coordinator, who
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I thought would be way better, is getting nothing done.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: And I agree with you that he's defiantly showing everyone
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: that he can't even call passing plays with the quarterback
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: right now. and so he's going to die on that
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: hill doing that. This sounds nuts, given where the Titans
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: just were and that they just sort of did this,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: but they haven't done it completely. It is time to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: completely clean house. Yeah, and I said that a few
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: weeks ago.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I want a football guy in that spot, someone that
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you just turn things over to. I even went as
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: far as to say give him part ownership and do
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: the Tom Brady move. Yeah, it's got to be someone
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: like that that can come in and totally revamp the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: mindset of that building. Because it starts at the very top,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and it has trickled down to where everyone's doing different.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just recently that Borgonzi even had the
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: voice to speak at a press conference by himself.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: The whole thing has been just a cluster.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And this is still that because I feel like the
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: staff is just going along with the playbook, which is
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: we're going to play Cam Ward because we're number one.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: He's the number one pick and he's our savior. And
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: you can't speak things into existence.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: To your point about Butch Jones, all these slogans are
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: just speaking things into existence that are not there. And
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: it comes across very repetitive. With all that being said, though,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: We're talking officials. He's close to talking about champions of life.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's two more losses and two weeks
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: away from referencing that. How about the offside, the false
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: start yesterday at right tackle? I just took a screenshot here.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I may be a tad late on when I took
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: this screenshot, but I tried to find a spot where
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the offensive line wasn't moving, the receivers are not moving.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: No one's moving except for the right tackle. For all
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: of that, you've got an official that has thrown 40
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: more flags than the rest of the league, and this
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: one isn't called? Look at the false starts they see.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, a little flinch of the upper body on
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: an offensive guard that's flagged immediately. The smallest of movements.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: He gets flagged quickly on Paul's start, and they miss
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: that one?
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: That was awful. I watched it live and thought that
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: is terrible that they missed that one. Let me give
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you a name quickly before we bury this Titans discussion
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: because people are going to ask, okay, who are you
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: going to hire? That's a question for every job that's
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: out there. All right, well, this is bad, but who
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: are you going to hire? Titans need to go completely
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: outside the box. The next hire, Will Stein. That's my
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: first call. Go hire somebody young with energy that's going
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: to bring in their own set of what they're going
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: to do with an organization and a program. I would
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: go hire Will Stein. I would say someone like a
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Will Stein from the college game to come in and
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: lead the Titans. But I'm just going to go ahead
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: and say it. The Titans should hire Kentucky head coach
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Will Stein.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: See, I don't mind who they hire as long as
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: they follow my view of who's at the very top
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: making the call. Someone's got to hire him. And if
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: they're cleaning house, who's making the hire? That's crucial here.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: They've got to get that part right. Hey, as we
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: go to break, by the way, they set the record.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Big thanks to Brooks for figuring this out for us
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: and doing the longest streak without consecutive wins in league history.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: It's the Tennessee Titans.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: They're going to shatter this because they have at least
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: 21 days coming up to where.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: At least 21 days before they can actually win back-to-back
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: games again.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. You've got to laugh not to cry if
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: you support the Tennessee Titans right now. Yeah, this is
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: a thing that's not going to end anytime soon.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: And here is– AI is incredible. Forget me for who
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: put this out, but it's gone viral. It's the Tennessee Titans,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: and this is your life moment.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, it's preseason, and we'll– What the fuck
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: are you doing?
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: What?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: All right, fuck it. Cam's starting this year. Nashville, Tennessee.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Music City. Where everyone's drunk to watch the Titans be shitty.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Starting with our fans who have spent 26 years talking
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: about one yard like they talk about their lifted trucks.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: They definitely are not compensating for anything. Bud Adams got
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: fined $ 250, 000 for giving Bill's fans the double bird. This
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: was the last time we had an owner willing to
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: spend money on something the fans wanted. He also spent
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: it on Vince Young, whose career ended when he tore a.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Tendon in his thumb.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: And threw his pads into the stands. Football he could
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: live without, but that was his cheesecake hand. I bet
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: you didn't know we had Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Julio,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: and D-Hop. We consider ourselves the receiver retirement community. Derrick
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Henry used to carry us to the playoffs, so naturally
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: we let him go because old running backs fall off.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: He ran for 1,900 yards at 30.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: We were the old running back in this situation.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: While Henry was carrying us, we traded A.J. Brown for
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: a first round pick and used it on a worse A.J.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: It's like trading in your wife for Diana Rossini and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: getting caught when she's not as good. Before we fired him,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Coach Vrabel said he'd cut off his dick for a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. After Super Bowl 60, he has no ring
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: and still has the dick, which is the worst possible
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: outcome for everyone except Diana Rossini.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I told you I'd keep it for you.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Then we saw Will Levis' girlfriend on draft night and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: figured he must be doing something right. She left him,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: so we did too. At least she's nothing like Air
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: McNair's girlfriend. So we moved on to Cam, who was
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: bad enough for all of our reporters to focus all
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: of their hate on him every week.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Cam, why are you such a fucking loser?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: The Tennessee Titans. No, we're not the team from the movie.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: They were better. Oh, yes, they were.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: Wow. Wow.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, they were. AI is hard at work in the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: football world. It's insane. It's amazing. The videos of the guys,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: everyone doing the song each week to every day, it
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: drops a new one of a different group. And that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: sax reveal of whoever's playing the saxophone. This week it
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: was Josh Eipel playing the sax of all the college
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: football coaches who lost big games. Gets me every time.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I love it.
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• 1:01:22
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• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: three consecutive years now, or three straight years, that he
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: has gone on the tour, the international game tour. And
• 1:01:33
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  Speaker 2: Chad, so.
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  Speaker 1: We're a fan of Aaron Rodgers, on the field and off,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: whenever he gets behind a mic, because he speaks the truth.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: He doesn't care. He gives zero. And he's back at
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: it again.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: A whole lot until the second CBA, and there was
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: talk about doing a week, an international week, where you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: had games in 16 different places, and you just added
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: an extra bye week. Um, so you'd play 16 regular season.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: You have two bi-weeks. One of those weeks would have
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: been an international week. I think it'd been phenomenal for
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: the game. Now that the owners wanted to push for
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: 17 games, uh, for the, uh, you know, extra revenue
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: and because, uh, they care so much about player safety, but, um, it.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Would have been nice.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: I think there's 16 opportunities. I mean, you could do
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: obviously in Canada, you could do in Mexico. There's been
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: games in Brazil. You could probably open up another country
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: in South America. Um, Obviously, there's a lot of opportunities
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: in Europe. Ireland, fantastic. France, Spain, Germany, multiple games in England.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: And then who knows? Obviously, there's Dubai, and that area
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: has really got into the sporting world in a number
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: of ways. You've got boxing and UFC, I think, was
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: there yesterday, I believe. So I think there's great opportunities
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: for expansion in those things. It would be awesome to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: see them have an international week Because I think it's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: great for the game and the expansion of the game.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: And I wish there was a mandate, though, from the league.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: And they would have to.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: Open up their pocketbooks, too, which, you know, maybe they'll
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: look tight on money and stuff. But I think they
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: should mandate every team coming over Sunday or Monday to
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: really enjoy the culture and the place you're going. And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: you can do events in those cities and outreach stuff
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: and community work. But they won't because they're a little tight.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Was Aaron Rodgers discussing? The dry sarcasm he gets me
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: every time with the, you know, because they care so
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: much about player safety and because money's a little tight
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: for the owner, so they're not willing to do that.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: That gets me every time. What do we think about
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: where they were negotiating the possibility of 16 games all
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: in different markets internationally in one week?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: We're doing this on the fly here. You can speak
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: to this. I know someone who was contacted by one
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: of these countries. and wanted to lobby on their behalf
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: to the NFL. This was 2020, 2021, the summer of 2021.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And I have said for a long time that they're
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: going to be in Saudi, they're going to be across
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the globe, and they're going to have an entire week.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I think they could have teams every single week play
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: an international game instead of just one week. And they
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: could sell that game to one of their international streaming partners,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Amazon comes to mind in that regard. YouTube comes to mind.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Whenever they restructure the NFL Red Zone channel and that
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: deal comes up with YouTube, they want to expand. YouTube
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: wants to expand their global reach with the NFL. This
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: is the way to go. And I don't see this stopping.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Goodell's already mentioning Tokyo. This was yesterday in Paris. Rogers
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: is right, by the way. Whenever I went to London,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: you were there. Whenever we went to London and I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: flew with the team, I was dumbfounded, honestly, about how
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: many players had never been or did not have a passport.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: The team took care of all of that for them.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: But the experience is why it's beneficial in many ways.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: And you have coaches like Sean McVay who are flying
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: over in a 24-hour period or whatever. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: go over and enjoy it. They've got to structure this
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  Speaker 1: where you have an extra bye week. Some of these
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: teams are coming back and playing immediately. The Eagles did that.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's entirely the wrong decision to do it.
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  Speaker 1: You can request, by the way, for your team to
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  Speaker 1: take the bye after your international game right now. Some
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: teams do it. Some teams don't. They want the later bye.
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  Speaker 1: I would have it after that week because you're exhausted.
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  Speaker 1: And I would have the teams over there for the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: week to actually, from their perspective, actually find the different
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: cultures that are available to go and be a part of.
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  Speaker 2: It would be fun. Well, it's just such a cash
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: grab right now. That's all it is. It's what Aaron
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Rodgers is saying. It's a cash grab. Expansion. It's less
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: of one. If you do the whole week thing, hey,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: we're going to go over there. We're going to have events.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: We want American football to spread to Madrid or Dublin, Ireland,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: or wherever you are, we're going to have our teams
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: go and interact with the community. They're going to do
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: some charitable things in these countries. And you spend, like
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: you said, get there on a Monday, and you spend
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: all week, and then suddenly you're doing things in the community.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: That's a way to tie in. This is true global outreach.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Because what it is right now is really, we're just
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: going to put a television product on We're going to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: sell a bunch of tickets to the local people, but
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: we're going to get in the Sean McVay way. We're
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: going to get in. It's a business trip. It's going
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: to be all about football. We're in, we're out, and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: there's no cultural significance or exposure for the players and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: coaches that go. I agree with what Aaron Rodgers said.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I think if you had one week where everyone's international,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: that would be tough on the NFL fan stateside to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: watch those games and to really experience it where everyone's
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: somewhere different. One week, it definitely would work out for
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: the players better in what he's saying, but I wouldn't
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: like that from a fan standpoint. But I just keep
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: going back to if we're doing what's right for the fans,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: your fans are in the United States, most of them.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Your teams are all in the United States. Then keep
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: most of the games in the U.S. They've gone too
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: far with these international games every single week, week after week,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: having to figure out who's playing at 8 a.m. But
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: they're not going to do what's best for the fans.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: They're going to do what's best– For the bottom line,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: they already hold the cities that they're playing in by
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: the balls based on their stadiums all these upgrades they're
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: tearing down stadiums after 25 years building domes they've already
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: got you i mean they've got us locally so they're
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: more concerned with like their international marketing rights which we've
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: been over in detail and The Titans are in Ireland,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: for instance. You've got Australia with Los Angeles and San
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Francisco and Seattle. They own the marketing rights.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why the Jacksonville Jaguars can't put up
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: a team store in Nashville, because the Titans own this area.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: This is about flag football. Flag football going to the Olympics.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: The NFL wants to expand it. It's easy to teach
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: flag football. You're not having injuries. You can teach it
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: to both genders, male and female. And you can play
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: this and you can teach it globally to the kids
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: and then have them become football fans because they want
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: this to become baseball, soccer, basketball. They want to be global.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: And right now they're not. And that's where they're expanding.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: It's all about their markets where they have purchased marketing rights,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: not where they currently sit because they already own us.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: They already own the area. It's sad, but true. I mean,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Titans care that the opposing fans
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: are taking over their stadiums every year or every week.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: I really don't.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think they care about the season. It's all
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: about the new stadium. Nothing about this year. They're marketing
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: the final year in the state. Who cares about it?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: They want to tear it down faster.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Than we do. I just wish that local mattered more.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. And look, Todd Munkin was saying,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: great job by the Browns fans. He said our entire
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: side of the stadium was Cleveland Browns fans. And that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't surprise anybody. I also agree, Hutton, that I don't
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: think the Titans really care that other teams' fan bases
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: take over the stadium. I don't. I think they care
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: about selling tickets, but they're not even doing that either.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I just want it to go back to your local
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: team or you being a fan of a team. It
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: felt like it mattered more than it does right now
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: to the NFL because I just don't think it matters
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: that much because it's all about the next frontier of
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: It's all about the next horizon to conquer, and that
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: next horizon to conquer is in South America and Europe
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: and the Middle East and wherever else they want to
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: go play games.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: And it's not just Nashville. It's the Mid-South with radio
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: partners in Bowling Green or in Stuttgart, Arkansas or in Arab, Alabama. Again,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: there are different spots that I don't think people with
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: the Titans could even tell you where the radio partners are.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: And that's the point you're making, is it's about the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: international game.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: And every owner's doing this.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: It's not just them. But that's the focus. And it
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: starts with Goodell and the entire money grab. But they
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: already have it here.
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  Speaker 2: They own it.
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  Speaker 1: They own the stadium, everything under the roof. Chad, the
• 1:11:59
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• 1:12:03
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  Speaker 2: So this was a legit field storming on Saturday with
• 1:13:13
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• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: quick clip here of what can go wrong when fans
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: storm the field, that this happens sadly more times than not,
• 1:13:22
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• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: a South Carolina fan who was celebrating in front of
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: him on the way off the field. I think we
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: also have David Hobbs who slammed a fan to the ground,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: didn't punch him, but just gave him a little shoulder shrug.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: and knocked him to the ground as he was running
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: past him on the way off the field. This is
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: when they talk about dangers to the playing area when
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: fans storm the field because then players get involved also
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: and can get physical. That's not great. Not a good
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: look for Tennessee. Not a great look for South Carolina.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: People ask me, what do you think about them? Was
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: it worthy of a field storming beating 11th-ranked Tennessee as
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: a favorite? In Vegas, I don't know. I have a
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: hard time deciding what's worthy of a field storming. It's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: an Instagram selfie. It was a big win for South Carolina.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: They were the Vegas favorite. It was not an upset
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: based on Vegas. And I look at the Vegas lines.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Was it an upset based on ranking? Yes. But Vegas
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: had them favored. They covered by a half a point
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: in the game by winning by a field goal. So
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: should you rush the field when you're a Vegas betting favorite?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's impossible to tell college kids what to
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: do and what not to do when they want to
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: do something. But Tennessee got their money back from a
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: week ago by having to pay Alabama $ 500, 000 for taking
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: the field. Now South Carolina pays Tennessee Athletics $ 500, 000.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's just all about this. The phone and
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: the selfie moment. That's what they're looking for when they
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: start on the field.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of that. Just don't take down
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: the goalposts so they have to replace them. That's what
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: they care about. And that's kind of what bothered me
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: the most about the Tennessee thing was it was less
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: about Tennessee fans shocked, we're going to storm the field
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: in exuberance and tear their goalposts down. It was more of,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: this is a biannual selfie opportunity where we can just
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: walk out onto the field and smoke cigars. And then
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: the students start it, and it's mostly students, but then
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: the adults go down there and just walk down and, hey,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get my selfie on the field also.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: At that point, you're paying it anyway. It's a $ 500, 000
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: selfie opportunity, which, and I know that Danny White sort
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: of encouraged it. I don't get it, but... Maybe he
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: knew the next week Tennessee was going to go on
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: the road and lose and that South Carolina would storm
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: the field, and he would just get that $ 500, 000 right back.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: The storm of the field is going to happen in
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: the month of October because by the time you get
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: to November, you're going.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: To have some losses in the SEC, Chad. The gauntlet
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: is real, and we're going to see a handful of
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: three-loss teams trying to knock on the door of the playoff. Yeah,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is amazing the cluster of two-loss teams
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: in the SEC right now. When you look at this list,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: and we'll do this this week where each of us
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: will just blindly rank where we put these teams because
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: I want to see how different you are from me.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: This is the group we put in. I'm separating Georgia.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: Out of it.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Georgia also has one loss right now. I believe Georgia
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: is clearly the best team in the SEC. Yes, I agree.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: And I feel like they are clearly the favorite with
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: their remaining schedule to play for the SEC championship and,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: to me, to win the SEC championship. I think they're
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the best team in the conference. But Kentucky's got an argument. Yeah,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: they got blown out at home by Alabama, but look
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: at their wins also. They go to A & M
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: and won. They went at home against LSU. They won
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: at South Carolina. I mean, some really good wins already
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: for Kentucky. Tennessee 6-2. Alabama 6-2. LSU 6-2. Texas 5-2.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Florida 5-2. How do you rank those teams? Because it
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: has been a spinning wheel of death. where each of
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: those teams have defeated the other in some way. The
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: transitive property doesn't work because the moment you say, well,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: this team beat that one. Well, that team that beat
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: this one also got beat by this team who got
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: destroyed at home by this other team. It's crazy, Hutton.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: And it's another illustration that this is a week-to-week league.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: There are going to be multiple losses. These are all
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: good teams. I don't think college football is worse. There's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: this argument being made that are there any good teams
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: in college football? Yes, of course. There are a bunch
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: of good teams in college football. Is there a great team?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. But because you have a number
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: of really good teams, and I think we're looking at
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: a list right now of really good SEC teams, they're
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: all going to beat up on each other throughout the season.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have some teams that face their third loss,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: but somehow grab victory from the jaws of defeat. Alabama
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: trailed early. Texas and Ole Miss going back and forth
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: over time. I don't know how Ole Miss got back
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: in that game, but they did. You know, they end
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: up with their loss. But Alabama, man, consider their third
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: straight loss and what that would have meant to their
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: program right now versus what the conversation is like today.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: That is massive for Crimson Tide fans and their program.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: And that was a hairy game into the second half
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: against A & M. But you're right. I mean, all
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: is well that ends well. Huge win for Alabama to
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: win that one at home. On this upcoming week, every
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: week is just another– here's a matchup that's going to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: change someone's season. Yeah. Let's flash those two-loss teams up
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: again and one-loss teams. Florida and Georgia in Atlanta this week,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: that's the big game. There's not a lot of great games.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: they have spread right now by the way at uh
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: hard rock bed right Florida Georgia if Florida loses it's
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: their third loss right there's going to be a three
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: loss team at least one that's going to make the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: playoff that's my prediction right now from the SEC so
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think it eliminates Florida right now but