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The Late Debate | 10 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debate. Thanks for joining us on
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  Speaker 1: the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and Dnika de Giorgio,
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  Speaker 2: who spent the weekend in Melbourne celebrating your dad.
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  Speaker 3: I did Happy seventieth Birthday to my dad. We had
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  Speaker 3: a lovely weekend. You know, I really enjoy Melbourne because
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  Speaker 3: I enjoy the food, I enjoy the shopping.
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  Speaker 4: And the shitty attacks.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, Caleb Potholesyla messages me on Friday night
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  Speaker 3: while I was in Melbourne. Are you alive still? That
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  Speaker 3: is the kind of treatment that I get on this panel.
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  Speaker 5: What I am caring for you and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 5: confirm that you are still alive and have not been
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  Speaker 5: filled by a machiney attack.
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  Speaker 4: Oh this is the sort of treatment I get.
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  Speaker 5: Well see if I care next time when you get
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  Speaker 5: done over by a ma shetty attack in Melbourne, I
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  Speaker 5: won't give a toss.
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  Speaker 3: It was more the premise that you just thought the worst.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know it's Melbourne, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, on that note, let's get into the program. Is
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  Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight? The South Australian government announced a
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  Speaker 2: Royal Commission into artificial intelligence. Tomorrow night is Census Nights,
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  Speaker 2: and we all understand that's incredibly important. But is the
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  Speaker 2: penalty for failing to complete the forms three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: sixty four dollars a day justified? And are we doing
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  Speaker 2: enough to protect ourselves from Chinese espionage? The UK Navy
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  Speaker 2: has just discovered some of its rown boats that have
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  Speaker 2: been sending data to Beijing. We'll get into all of
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  Speaker 2: that shortly, but first, would you consider buying an EV
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  Speaker 2: for your next car? If you answer yes, well you're
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  Speaker 2: in good company because, despite concerns overcharging and range, the
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  Speaker 2: number of people now open to purchasing an EV has
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  Speaker 2: increased by forty percent. Data released by car sales owner
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  Speaker 2: Car Group shows evs are rapidly overtaking petrol powered cars
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  Speaker 2: in desirability. The number of buyers considering diesel vehicles has
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  Speaker 2: plunged thirty four point nine percent, and the number of
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  Speaker 2: people planning on buying a petrol vehicle, well, that's dropped
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  Speaker 2: by almost fifteen percent. I don't think it's difficult to
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  Speaker 2: understand the growing appeal of EV's. Five years ago, they
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  Speaker 2: seemed experimental. These days, they're very much mainstream. A few
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  Speaker 2: years ago there are all sorts of questions over resale
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  Speaker 2: and performance. I think these days those issues have largely
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  Speaker 2: been answered. Five years ago, they were understandably concerned about
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  Speaker 2: where you charge your car. These days lots of people
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  Speaker 2: are just doing it from home. And all of that
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  Speaker 2: is before we talk about the cost of maintenance, and
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  Speaker 2: we haven't even mentioned the price of fuel yet. So
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  Speaker 2: I've got to admit my attitude towards EV's has shifted
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  Speaker 2: over the past twelve months. And Caleb, I could actually
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  Speaker 2: see myself driving a Tesla.
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  Speaker 5: No, I could see you driving a Tesla too. Actually, James,
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  Speaker 5: you seem like an EV sort of person. Suit you
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  Speaker 5: write down to the ground. I suspect with your you
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  Speaker 5: know soy lattes and all of these things that you
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  Speaker 5: get up by would burn.
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  Speaker 2: You off at the lights much quicker than your petrol
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  Speaker 2: powered out.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and that may will be true. Actually, I was
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  Speaker 5: watching a video the other day. I think it was
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  Speaker 5: a Tesla up against a souped up Ford Falcon on
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  Speaker 5: a drag strip and the Tesla lifted for dead. I
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  Speaker 5: don't disagree. They are very fast off the mark. They
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  Speaker 5: are quick vehicles. But let's talk fundamentally about what people
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  Speaker 5: why they're looking towards electric vehicles now. They're not looking
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  Speaker 5: at Tesla's bar and large now. I mean the number
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  Speaker 5: two manufacturer car manufacturer of all cars in the country
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  Speaker 5: now is byd which is a Chinese manufacturer. There are
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  Speaker 5: other Chinese companies that exist within the top twenty.
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  Speaker 4: The reason people looking at them.
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  Speaker 5: Is because they're cheap, like exceedingly cheap, because they're made
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  Speaker 5: by China, and China of course subsidizes this stuff. And
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  Speaker 5: then you have Chinese manufacturers, of which there are more
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  Speaker 5: than forty that are selling cars in the country at
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  Speaker 5: the moment. You can't tell me they're all going to
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  Speaker 5: still exist tomorrow, right. They're basically dumping cheap Chinese electric
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  Speaker 5: vehicles on Australia to flood the market, which then means
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  Speaker 5: that they have to be sold for credibly cheap price
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  Speaker 5: because there's of course a glut of them, which means
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  Speaker 5: that all the other manufacturers have existed. Now, models like
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  Speaker 5: Toyota and whatever will probably be okay, but you've got
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  Speaker 5: a number of other manufacturers that will end up being
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  Speaker 5: basically impossible to sell a car in Australia because the
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  Speaker 5: consumer will go for the cheaper Chinese model, and then
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  Speaker 5: once they've pushed all the other manufacturers out, well it'll
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  Speaker 5: be China only. If you're lucky, you'll be able to
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  Speaker 5: buy a Toyota and you know, maybe something like a
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  Speaker 5: Mercedes or Abeamer that will still exist because people want to.
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  Speaker 4: Buy a luxury car.
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  Speaker 5: But the average consumer car market, I think is going
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  Speaker 5: to be taken over by a Chinese EV's. And I'm
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  Speaker 5: really wary of that because it's not just about EV's,
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  Speaker 5: it's about China.
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  Speaker 4: China wants to take over the whole operation.
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  Speaker 5: And we're just here going, yeah, come on, bring all
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  Speaker 5: your Chinese cars in here, sell them for next to nothing,
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  Speaker 5: and next thing we'll go, hang on, why can I
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  Speaker 5: only buy a Chinese vehicle?
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  Speaker 1: It's the ice that i'd buy a Tesla and you
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  Speaker 1: burned me for.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Tesla's are a lot of Teslas are
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  Speaker 5: made in China as well. All right, you didn't know that, James.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I just assumed most of it.
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  Speaker 4: Was the ego. I could learned something new, haven't you.
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  Speaker 5: But I just I think, you know, people will look
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  Speaker 5: at an ev if it's cheap, or if there's a
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  Speaker 5: subsidy for it right, But the average consumer, I think,
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  Speaker 5: would still like to buy a petrol injured car or
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  Speaker 5: a diesel car. I'd look at a hybrid. I think
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  Speaker 5: hybrid makes a lot of sense. But when it is
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  Speaker 5: when there are a market forces that drive people to
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  Speaker 5: an EV, be it government subsidy or extremely cheap because
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  Speaker 5: China's dumping them on us.
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  Speaker 4: People will look at them.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think if those two things existed, people
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  Speaker 5: would be looking directly at NEV.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And the other issue is is that they all
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  Speaker 3: look the same. And I still you know, at least
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  Speaker 3: you have the variety in a petrol or a diesel
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  Speaker 3: vehicle where you can have a different car, whereas if
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  Speaker 3: everyone's driving a white Tesla around there's certainly no overriding. Well, look, female.
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  Speaker 5: Arts I have there are enough white Toyota cameras ready.
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  Speaker 3: Spam still at least as variety of vehicles. No, I
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  Speaker 3: actually I have a point to make. I'm not just
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  Speaker 3: giving you the female answer tonight. I disagree with you, James.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually surprised that you you're thinking about going down
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  Speaker 3: the EV route when Australia is not prepared for EV cars.
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  Speaker 1: This depend problem.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, if you live in the city problems. If you're
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  Speaker 3: traveling five to ten k's a day, you've got absolutely
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  Speaker 3: no issues whatsoever. But if you are traveling outside of
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  Speaker 3: the city for work, if you're living in regional Australia,
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  Speaker 3: forget it. There is absolutely no point in getting an EV.
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  Speaker 3: If you like weekend trips, if you like to go
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  Speaker 3: away for a drive over the weekend, wouldn't bother Unless
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  Speaker 3: you absolutely love planning, You like to put provisions in place,
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  Speaker 3: You know where you need to stop, if you need
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  Speaker 3: to charge up an EV, you have contingency plans. Who
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  Speaker 3: the heck has sort of time you.
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  Speaker 2: Let me interrupt though, You're not doing long trips and
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  Speaker 2: you live in Sydney, So yeah, that's why I would
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  Speaker 2: have an EV.
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  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you get because they're also.
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  Speaker 3: Very expensive as well. To start with, you're looking at
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  Speaker 3: around eighty thousand dollars for a Tesla when you can
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  Speaker 3: just buy a normal vehicle for half of that price.
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  Speaker 3: That is going to last you forever. I think hen
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  Speaker 3: days are very very strong, Nistens are very very good cars.
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  Speaker 3: Why on earth would you want to trade that in?
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  Speaker 1: Would you can't remember recently? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I have?
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  Speaker 1: Would you to fill it up.
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  Speaker 3: Look, to be fair, I'd barely use my car, so
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  Speaker 3: I was kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of close to two hundred bucks to fill it up
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  Speaker 1: these days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you travel longer distances than what I do,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, So I think that's probably why it
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  Speaker 3: would be very more expensive for you and my car.
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  Speaker 3: And I think you've got a very fancy car. If
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  Speaker 3: I may just say that you've got quite a nice vehicle,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tell you is what it is. But
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  Speaker 3: the car I see you driving quite nice.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it is really that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a fancy, schmancy James McPherson vehicle, so
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  Speaker 3: I don't have to boss no, never sort that out.
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  Speaker 3: But also the other thing is, you know it's unreliable
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  Speaker 3: the best of times, Easter, long weekend, lengthy delays at
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  Speaker 3: the charging stations. You know, it could take a couple
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  Speaker 3: of hours to more than a day to fill up
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  Speaker 3: your to charge your vehicle, depending on the type of battery,
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  Speaker 3: the type of charger it's got. I know that there
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  Speaker 3: are fast charges home, but not everybody has has access
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  Speaker 3: James to that level of infrastructure. So so all right
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  Speaker 3: for some people who can do it in their apartment
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  Speaker 3: complex or wherever, but not everywhere in Sydney or inner
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  Speaker 3: city Melbourne has that charger available.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you, but if I can do it,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I what.
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  Speaker 3: An absolute piss fart around if I could say, who
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  Speaker 3: has time for all of this? When you just want
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  Speaker 3: to go charge up at the petrol station charging? And James,
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  Speaker 3: for me, there's a petrol station. I'm going to swing
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  Speaker 3: in and I'm going to swing it right out.
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  Speaker 5: He's joined the environmental revolution, James McPherson, Greeney, Soy, Cappuccino, drinker,
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  Speaker 5: ev driver, teal voter.
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  Speaker 2: They are cheaper maintenance, paper and fuel, They're quicker to drive,
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  Speaker 2: and you know what, let's be honest, it is the
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  Speaker 2: future now. So I reckon later adapted up, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: on board.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not opposed to the concept of them, and I
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  Speaker 5: do like that they go exceedingly fast, but it's just
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  Speaker 5: impractical for a lot of people, like you know.
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  Speaker 4: It might work for you, but you know, I've.
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  Speaker 5: Got a flat now, I have a parking space, but
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  Speaker 5: it's in an old building.
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  Speaker 4: There's no power in it.
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  Speaker 5: Like I can't I can't charge the thing right, So
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  Speaker 5: I'll stick with what, Actually, I do need a new
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  Speaker 5: car because the thing I'm driving at the moment's been.
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  Speaker 2: But no, with EVS, I was sort of Porsche dealership,
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  Speaker 2: I I just wanted a weekend vehicle, and so on.
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  Speaker 2: They're looking at Porsches and the dealer top and I
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  Speaker 2: was a bit like, why would you get.
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  Speaker 1: An electric Porsche? Right?
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  Speaker 2: And the dealer said to me that he has never
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  Speaker 2: been scared driving a motor vehicle than when he first
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  Speaker 2: test drove the latest electric Porsche. Ye said it was
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  Speaker 2: so quick off the mark, he literally scared himself.
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  Speaker 5: And I understand all this, but what about the noise
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  Speaker 5: that you get out of a car like a or
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  Speaker 5: a Jaguar or something.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I would Did you know this?
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  Speaker 1: My mate? Right, So he's got a Tesla. He was
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  Speaker 1: visiting me in Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: He's got the car parked at his kid's place in
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  Speaker 2: Brisbane and you get, sorry, this is so juvenile, but
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  Speaker 2: you can push a button and the car makes.
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  Speaker 1: Farting noise. What yeah, it literally does.
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  Speaker 2: So it's something they put in Tesla's I guess to
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  Speaker 2: make people I don't know turn around or laugh when
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: they're walking down the Now, now.
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  Speaker 3: We're into buttons and noises. But whatever happened to just
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  Speaker 3: driving a vehicle.
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  Speaker 5: We've we've we've come to We've come to why James
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  Speaker 5: wants an electric vehicle because his mate has a Tesla
• 10:47
  Speaker 5: that farts and so he's thought, well, I want one
• 10:50
  Speaker 5: of them.
• 10:51
  Speaker 4: While you're talking.
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  Speaker 5: About all this technology that makes cars fart and all
• 10:54
  Speaker 5: this sort of business artificial intelligence AI or is it
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  Speaker 5: Boris Johnson calls it? In South Australia, they've now decided
• 11:02
  Speaker 5: they're going to have a Royal Commission. Now I don't
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  Speaker 5: know anywhere else in the world that has done this.
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  Speaker 5: There may be jurisdictions, but I'm going to suggest that
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  Speaker 5: this is a world leading move by Peter Malanawskis, the
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  Speaker 5: Premier of South Australia. He's been on a fact funding
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  Speaker 5: mission to the United States about AI technology. He's come
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  Speaker 5: back and announced today that they'll be the first place
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  Speaker 5: in the country, the whole of Royal Commission.
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  Speaker 7: It is absolutely clear that the use of artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 7: is an exciting opportunity to advance the cause of humanity.
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  Speaker 7: But it is also true that unchecked artificial intelligence does
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  Speaker 7: represent a material risk to the way our society operates
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  Speaker 7: and a risk to the future of work if not
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  Speaker 7: thought through carefully.
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  Speaker 5: I think this is a sensible move. Look to be fair,
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  Speaker 5: I think we should have been looking into regulation and
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  Speaker 5: doing all of this stuff three years ago when you
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  Speaker 5: had an open letter put out by people like Elon
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  Speaker 5: Musk and Steve Wozniak and lots of other people who
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  Speaker 5: Sam Olton, I mean, the boss of chat GPT open AI,
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  Speaker 5: who put out an open letters saying, you know, we
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  Speaker 5: need basically a moratorium on AI development now because this
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  Speaker 5: thing is moving so fast and we don't know where
• 12:23
  Speaker 5: it's going and what it could do for humanity. But
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  Speaker 5: in lieu of all of that, we are starting to
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  Speaker 5: have a genuine discussion now about regulation and I think
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  Speaker 5: a royal commission I prefer it we're done at a
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  Speaker 5: federal level. But anything that can be done to look
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  Speaker 5: genuinely into this stuff, I think is a good move.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many issues to consider.
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  Speaker 2: The ethics of AI on a multitude of fronts is
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  Speaker 2: a really important discussion that should be had now rather
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  Speaker 2: than later. Then you've got what sort of training we
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  Speaker 2: need to have for our nation, how it's going to
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  Speaker 2: affect the workforce, We haven't even talked about education and
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  Speaker 2: what it means for our kids at school or our
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  Speaker 2: university students. I note now for HS, so you're not
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  Speaker 2: allowed to take assignment work home because they're worried kids
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  Speaker 2: will use AI to do their assignments at home. And
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  Speaker 2: then you've got how it can help to improve productivity.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, Denika, why you would not have
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  Speaker 2: a Royal commission into the biggest change in our economy
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  Speaker 2: since the Industrial Revolution, because.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that AI is the priority right now,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't think that the South Australian premier should
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  Speaker 3: be blowing three million dollars of tax payers money to
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  Speaker 3: investigate it when there are so many other issues at hand.
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  Speaker 3: We're still in the cost of living crisis. Immigration is
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: still running hot, there is a housing crisis. We can't
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: get people into homes. There is a supply issue right now.
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: Energy is a big issue. Energy is a massive issue
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  Speaker 3: in South Australia. But okay, if you asked, I'd be
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: very curious. You go up to somebody in the street
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  Speaker 3: right South Australia, what are your top three issues that
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  Speaker 3: you're facing right now. Do you think that any of
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  Speaker 3: them realistically are going to be listing AI get top three.
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  Speaker 4: We should forget about all the other issues.
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  Speaker 3: We'll hang on a second. We didn't even have a
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  Speaker 3: royal commission into the COVID pandemic. We can't even have that.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to have a royal.
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  Speaker 3: Commission into should have a agree. But on the list
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  Speaker 3: and scale of priorities, do you, I mean, do you
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  Speaker 3: really think that AI is right up there?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that.
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  Speaker 4: I think economically other.
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  Speaker 3: Issues at hand right now where you could be putting
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  Speaker 3: your three million dollars worth elsewhere?
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  Speaker 4: Right people?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying and I'm not nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying you can't have an inquiry into AI heavy,
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  Speaker 3: but I wouldn't put it as a priority right now.
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  Speaker 5: I think in the so we'll wait until AI has
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: moved so far ahead that it's basically unregulatable and they
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: build all of these data centers and all this stuff
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: all over the country. Well, and at that point we'll say, okay,
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  Speaker 5: let's have a chat about But.
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  Speaker 3: Then what happens when you get the finding? What the findings?
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  Speaker 3: And then we've suddenly got to spend more money because
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: we've got to do more. We've got to change policies.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to do that, but it's not the priority
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  Speaker 3: right now. That's what I'm saying. I do not think
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  Speaker 3: you should be wasting time on an AI royal commission
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  Speaker 3: when there are so many other pressing issues right now.
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  Speaker 2: AI is increasing so rapidly that if they don't get
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: a handle on it now, they'll never be able to
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  Speaker 2: catch up in terms of regulation, in terms of its usage,
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the ethics. It's already too late, I
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: think for an inquiry into this. Like you said, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: this should have been done a few years ago so,
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  Speaker 2: and it should have been done by a prime minister.
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  Speaker 2: Thank god the South Australian premier's had the foresight.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Anthony Aban he had to be drag kicking and
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: screaming into a BONDI royal commission. He will never hold
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: an inquiry. The point I'm trying to make is is
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  Speaker 3: that I'm all for royal commissions, but I'm for them
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  Speaker 3: at the right time and when they are the right
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  Speaker 3: thing to do. And I would put COVID Royal Commission
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  Speaker 3: way ahead of AIKA.
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  Speaker 5: South Australia can't if they did a royal commission into
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  Speaker 5: COVID in South Australia.
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  Speaker 4: It's only going to deal with South Australia. It's not
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: going to be of any.
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  Speaker 3: Use to a national correct.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with you.
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  Speaker 5: What point do you think think we should have an
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: AI Ruyal Commission when we'd be the right time?
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: I just think maybe in two years time, two.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: Years time, when AI is exponentially bigger than it is now,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: that's when we'll have the Royal Commission.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I just think that. Honestly, I maintain that it's
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: not up there in the top three issues for everyday
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Australians right now.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: I honestly we'd love to go and.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Chat to people on the streets and say what are
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: your top three issues? But where do you want your
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: where do you want your government to focus their priorities
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: and their policies right now? And I can almost guarantee
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: no one's going to say, artificially, where.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: My people on the street.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: They're not sitting around their kitchen table thinking about what
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: will Australia look like ten twenty years from now.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: And people are using AI, people are using AO, that's
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the reality.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: They're not thinking about consequences, They're not thinking about future regulation,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: future needs for the country. But our politicians should be
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: thinking about these things, and it's good that they are.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Well, they should be thinking about cost of living, housing,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: immigration and the rest of it that comes to that's
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: what I think as well. Well, now you can have
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: your say on all these things. Really, Tomorrow night a
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: very very big night. It is census night. It's that
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: fun time where we all have to answer questions about
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: what our household looks like. It's going to be asking
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: you a myriad of questions about your salary, your profession,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: the type of home you live in, the rent that
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: you pay, all those sorts of fun questions so that
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: we can get a snapshot of what Australia looks like.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: And I personally think it's actually very important that we
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: do get a snapshot of what Australia looks like. Now, well,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: the one point two million households have actually already completed
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: your census. So if you are going to do it
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: now or tomorrow morning, for example, you have to write
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: it and will fill it out as if you were
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: completing it on the night of the actual census now
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: b where if you do not complete it, you will
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: COPI fine of three hundred and sixty four dollars per
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: day for an incomplete census. So basically, the ABS will
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: contact you and ask you why it hasn't been done,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: tell you to do it. If you still don't do it,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: a formal direction will be ordered. If you refuse that order,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: then the fine will be issued. And look, I think
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: it's fair enough. There's been a lot of debate online
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: saying three hundred and sixty four dollars as an absolute raw. No,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: it's not a raw. We need to know where we're
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: at in this country. We need to be able to
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: combine all of the statistics to see what our you know,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: the average household looks like, what our migrational statistics look like.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I'm all for the fines. Do your senses. I actually
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: did mine the other night. Have you two completed yours
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: yet you have done out a couple of things that
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I thought of when I did mine, and I thought, wow,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: how Australia has changed, How things have changed. Firstly, there's
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: a sexual orientation question. That's the first time that they're
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: putting the sexual orientation in there. There is a what
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: was your sex recorded at birth? Question, which is perplexing
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: at best. To ask it in such a way is
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: to not offend, a ways to not offend? Now, what
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: was your sex recorded at birth?
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Are they not also asking about transgender status?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: They do, They ask about that.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Which is why they've got to make the distinction, because
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: you wouldn't have an idea of what was real and
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: what wasn't.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: You're a man or a woman?
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I know? But but is it not legitimate for the
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: senses to ask questions about people who aren't transgender? Because
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: because we you know, it's an issue, big issue, sure,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: and we get these numbers thrown around about well, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: maybe it's this percent or that percent.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: This is the best opportunity we have to get a
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: picture of Australia.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Looks and the other two issues.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And the other two is do we move on to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the two issues?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: The problem with this is their normalizing radical gender ideology
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: by asking what was your sex at birth? As if
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: your sex could be anything other than what it was
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: at birth, And then they ask, you know, do you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: identify as male?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Female? Non binary?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: What is non I mean, we all know what non
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: binary is meant, but but non binary is not Actually
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: you can't be non binary, Well, you.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Can't identify as non binary.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Non binary is not actually a thing you either male
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: or female.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: You can I mean, you could identify as a lamp
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: post if you want.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And that's my point.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: So these questions are silly to have in a government
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: document and then normalize because by putting it in the set.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: I don't think they are because there is money, government
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: money being spent on these issues, and so I think
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: it's legitimate for us as a public to be able
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: to look at the reality of what people are identifying
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: as and what they say they are, et cetera, because
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: it gives us a metric by which to judge all
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: of this.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: And that's why lobby grips wanted these questions in the census,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: because they will argue that whatever the numbers are, demand
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: funding and policy and programs, and so we'll end up
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: normalizing what I don't think we should be normalized as
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it already exists, though I know it exists, but now
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the government looking for reasons to and now it's in writing,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: further promote it within the culture.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: It's now in writing, and now we can actually talk about.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: It imagined at us about your sexuality. I just maybe
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: a minor point, but I just thought it was strange.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: It asked you if you're straight rather than if you're heterosexual.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, but does it even need to be in there?
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Does it need to be And again I think it's
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: a legitimate statistic.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Bisexual Yeah, its what government policy applies to bisexuality.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: But okay, so why should we not have an accurate
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: picture of what the country looks like? I think they're
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: pertinent questions that relate to so I mean it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Why is bisexuality pertinent to the Australian government's planning for
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the country?
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Well, who knows it? Maybe at some point, But how.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Do you know if you are one day you might
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: be straight, the next day you're like, I'm by and
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: then how do you you know?
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Or do you wake up in the morning and change
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: your sexuality?
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: No? I don't think.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Mostly in the South Wales you can change it every
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: twelve months if you.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Will, you can change your six not your sexuality.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: That's the problem sexuality in the government. It's not on
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: a region.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: The census has taken every five years. Yes, within five
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: years in your South Wales, I could have changed my
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: gender five times.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Maybe so, but it's a capture of the country on that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I don't see why it's a bad thing that we
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: would collect as much information as possible about people who
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: live in the country.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: The other issue that I had was with the religion question.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: So with the religion, the very first box that comes
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: up is non religious. Now I know that Christianity wasn't
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: listed on there, but we were talking about this earlier
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: new so that Christianity has never been listed. But here's
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: where it's sort of It actually stumped me, and I'm
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: wondering whether it will stump others. But because there wasn't
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: other options, I found myself ticking that non religious box,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: even though I have my own beliefs about things. But
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: then I wasn't sure where I fitted into any of
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: the categories that were available.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: In the box at the bottom of his other Yeah.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I suppose so, But then why wouldn't you just list
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: other things.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Well, because then you would be there forever. Now, if
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: you go and look at the.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Twenty twenty one numbers where the ABS has done the
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: report on what they got back, they have added up
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: all the Christian denominations and said that the number one
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: religion in the country is Christian right, But it gives
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: them a because Christianity is such a large religion, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: he's the most popular religion.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: In the country.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: It then gives them a better idea of what you
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: actually are by breaking it down into the denominations. But
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: the literature all has Christianity first, non religion number one,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: number two. Sorry from memory, I think it's Islam, three,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: and then Hindus. But then they go into they've broken
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: it down all the people who've sort of given things
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: other than a normal religion, And it tells you how
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: many people wrote in the other box, Atheists, how many
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: people wrote in you know, duo theism, people who wrote
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: in spiritual people who wrote in.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: You know, Yoda or whatever like.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: It's all listed there right, So the place you put
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: your other religion is other.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And the only interesting point I will make is we
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: talk about the changing face of Australia, the question about
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: what is your heritage or what's your cultural background? And
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: there was none for Italy. Obviously I had to put
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Italian and not that. I thought, oh, that's disappointing that
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: there's not Italy already listed as a check box, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I just had to put it under the other. But
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I thought, doesn't that tell you how different our culture
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: looks like Once upon a time we relied on a
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: lot of European migrants from Italy and Greece to come
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: to this country. And now in the boxes that you
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: can check, it's like India, you know where else India
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: was one of China. There were the two that really
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: stand out. It's just fascinating the changing face of this
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: country that the European nations aren't specifically listed.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Well, just while we're talking about the census, the other
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: interesting thing you mentioned the no religion was the first
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: box you could tick when it came to spirituality. The
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: census had that was the last box in twenty sixteen.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Then they moved it to the top in twenty twenty one.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And there was a great article in The Australian at
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the weekend talking about how even the ABS now admit
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: that their statistics aren't exactly reliable on how many people
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: are irreligious as compared to Christian because they moved the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: question around and that affects the way people answer things.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And they moved around under pressure from atheists who hope
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that that would cause more people to tack non religious.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of political plays that go into
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the sense it's not just an accurate measure of the country.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: It's very much mobilized by activists of all kinds. If
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the census tells us something about what the country's supposed
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to look like, I suppose our universities tell us something
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: about what the country is.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Training for, and we're curious to see that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Brighton University in the UK is offering a brand new
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: course on politics, sexuality and gender. The course is advertised
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: like this, This cutting edge degree introduces you to historical
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and contemporary struggles around sexuality and gender, preparing you to
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: shape the sexual politics of the future. Training in research
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: skills prepares you for a range of meaningful careers in equality,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: diversity and inclusion, the public sector and the third sector.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: If you dig deep.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Into this course, you'll find that you are able to
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: examine feminist, queer and trans political movements, as well as
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a historical and modern overview of battles on sexuality and gender.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: And if you enroll in this course, you'll be able
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to do practical placement with local feminist and LGBTQI groups,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: which will give students hands on experience in the growing
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: DEEI industry. The other thing that it will give you
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: is a fifty thousand pound student debt and no prospect
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: of meaningful employment. This is not a private institution. If
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: it was a private institution with a niche course.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Who cares.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: But this is a publicly funded university offering a course
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that when you go to university you are educated. This
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: is very much in doctrination. You're not learning a skill,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you're learning a particular worldview that is, I would argue,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: not particularly needed in the UK right now. Of all
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the things they need young people to be trained for,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to be diversity, equity and inclusion officers, particularly as it
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: relates to queer and gender diverse minority groups, it's probably
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: not a priority. But maybe they put the question in
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the census Caleb, and as a result of that census question,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: now they're directing policy and training options.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Well, I think they're feathering their own nest, is what
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: they're doing. I mean, it's the long march through the
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: institutions seemingly going very well.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: You know, you start with, oh, well, we've got.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: To fart against the elites at the universities and all
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: these people who are too concerned about the classics, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: they're concerned about history, and they're considered about art, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: although it couldn't positive these stuffy heity twenty people. We
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: have to sort of democratize higher education and will do
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: that as they have done in this country by you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: uncapping enrollments and basically saying well, everyone should have the
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: opportunity to go to university.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Unied is a place for everybody.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: You know. The government starts saying we want everyone to
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: go to university, we want them to further their education.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: The unis love that because they then make a lot
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: of money out of it. The people who once decried
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: the elite have now become the elite the left that
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: are running these universities that they used to rail against,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: and having done so, they've decided, well, seeing as we
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: are now the elite, we may as well push some
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: of our barrows upon these people. And so they've come
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: up with this sort of garbage. I mean the fact
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: that we fund it, and I say we obviously we're
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: in Australia, We're not funding the UK, but we have
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: the same sort of rubbish going on here. The fact
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: that tax payers contribute to all of this stuff is
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: just crap. If a university is not doing what it
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: does for the betterment of the SOCA society and the
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: betterment of the country. They ought to have the funding
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: taken away because this is not doing a single thing
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: to help anyone. It's just pushing ideology.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Well, way to keep yourself unemployed. You're never ever going
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: to get a job if you ever do a degree
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: of this nature.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: And the textpayer is to pay.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Them the doll But you know, I was thinking back
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to some of the nonsense that I had to do
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: at university as part of my journalism course, and they
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: were those sorts of fill in subjects that you have
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: to do throughout the semester to get your gradings. And
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: we did one called culture to Cultures. So ready you
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: know this is going down a slippery slope. It's called
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: culture to Cultures. But in it we learned about stereotypes,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: indigenous values. What else we learned about prejudices. So it's
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: a very woke university. This is what we want you
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: to say and have a view online. Had you learned ana, Well,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I mean it was so long ago. I don't think
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I learned anything, to be honest from that. I just
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: want to get my journalism degree and get a job
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and bugger off. I loved you, but I just think
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: that My.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Son was the same.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: He is studying physiotherapy and he came home and said,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Dad started my physiotherapy course and my first module is
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Indigenous studies. Said I'm trying to look at what it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: got to do with physiotherapy and said some just suck
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: You know what it's actually create, move on, it's creating
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: another generation of activists because I was looking at the
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: modules for this course in the UK. So number one
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: is queer writing. Number two is radical political economy and
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: anarchist politics too. That's going to get you far. But
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: here's the good one colonialism, capitalism and the climate crisis.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: So really we're equipping this generation with a really a
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: hell of a lot of good skills that they're going
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: to their take into the workforce.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: About on the UK, it'd probably qualify you to be
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: commissioner of the police force in the UK.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's so true, coppers, That's absolutely true. But
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: you know it also just exposes the dei going on
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: universities at the moment. I mean you look at the
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: saga going on with the former Cambridge professor. You've got
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Jason Arday Gee, that's an absolute disaster. Isn't it. And
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: it's still going because obviously he has just resigned from
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Cambridge University. How he ever made the entry requirements there,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: but he's now canceled his book tour. Would you believe?
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, who would have thought? Gosh knows, I would
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: like to read what that book says. I am so
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: curious to know what his book says, And so we
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: thought we would bring back this pearler of a line
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: from him.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: I would take a thread and a needle and I'd
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: interweave love into our society. That's what I would do.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: I think the absence of love in our society is
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: absolutely palpable. And so for me, the thing that I
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: would do, if I could change the world, I would
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: have the world and I'd have it spinning on this
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: act of love. That's what I'd have because we've lost
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: as a society. In my humble opinion, I think we've
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: lost our way.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's not working. It's really not working. I
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: said this the other night. Don't you think he looks
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: like Milli Vanilli? I can't. Every time I.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Say it's well, you know, Milli Vanilli were well known
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: for Plagiario. They never actually saying any lay on the raids,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: blame it on the raid.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Belliev had the good sense not to actually make any
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: noises from me.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: But I mean, you know, if that blow can get
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: a job in universities in the UK, then it kind
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: of explains why they have these sort of queer studies
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: courses and things. Doesn't Let's move on from the strange
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: goings on at universities in the United Kingdom to fruit
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: in Australia, shall we. I think there might have been
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: a couple of things on the Prime Minister's mind of late.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Dogs and children and what ameling way.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I think he may be needing to have a few
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: SIPs of that watermelon wine to get over the things
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: that have been going on today, because there was a
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: piece in The Australian from the former Japanese ambassador saying
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: that Japan had taken note of comments that the Prime
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Minister had made in a podcast bush Deep. I mean,
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: you know, as if he didn't know what was coming
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: there with a bush Barbie Nikki Osbourne. Of course these
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: comments are the ones I'm talking about.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: The Japanese Prime Minister brought a melon?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: She did she smuggle it?
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I got a couple of melons she brought too. She
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: brought too as you do.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: She just came in looking like Pamela Randers.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: She brought to yes, and they're beautiful.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: And then we had ten year plibust this morning saying, oh,
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: you know, there's no sexual connotations. He wasn't talking about
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: her because the sector. Come on, we know what was
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: going on there. But so it's now escalated from the
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: letter that was written in the os by the former
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: ambassador to now the Japanese government. We found out today
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: in the Australian has formally raised this with the government.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: What I don't get is why politicians struggle to just
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: admit when they get things wrong. If the Prime Minister
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: simply said, you know what, I made ill advised comments.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't have done it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: I'm really sorry, why are we still here talking about this.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: He could have killed this story dead months ago, and
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: yet I don't know.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: No, he wasn't referencing her breasts.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, just say, yes, it was a crude comment.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: I'm really sorry I made it. I want to repair
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: the relationship with Japan.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Sorry that the Japanese raised this with the Australian government
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: a few days or weeks ago. They've been a very
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: good friend and very gracious, sort of just mentioning that
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: their main concern was that she had not smuggled these
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: melons into Australia.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They were locally sourced. But they've been all class.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: As opposed to our Prime minister, who's been anything but.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Tanya Pleibersek tried the whole ABC thing where she basically
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: blamed the public for not sort of understanding that it
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: was a joke.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't a sexual joke.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I think we all knew exactly what Anthony Albanese was
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: referring to, and certainly the host of the podcast didn't
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: shy away from it. And then Catherine King Today said, well,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the podcaster made some comments but didn't say
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: anything about Elbanese's comments, which were the subject of the complaint.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: As for Anthony Elbanzi himself, he said that, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: no innuendo was implied at all. How could you have
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: watched that? I mean, he was talking about shagging Kylie Minogue,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: he was talking about having sex with his wife after
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: a rabbitdoz win, and then he's talking about melons with
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: the appropriate hand gestures and Pamela Anderson, and he expects
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: us to believe it wasn't a sexual innuendo, just like
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: we're expected to believe he didn't fall off the stage
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: that you know, the two hundred and seventy five dollar
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: power price was not a rock solid gold promise.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And on and on the list goes. This is just.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Another Anthony Albanezy gas lighting the Australian public.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: But also the gas lighting from Tania plipp Sc this
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: morning when she said, well, you just watched the video
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: footage for yourself. Well, we have seen the video footage
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: for you. Does she think we all came down the
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: last shower and we don't know that the innuendo behind
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: what Anthony Albanesi was implying. But also it just again
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: exposes the double standards of labor. If this was anybody else,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: women like Tanya plipper Sc would have gone into bat
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: They would have absolutely gone nuts if it was a
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: liberal politician that had said something like this. So I
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: agree what the best course of action was. I'm sorry
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: it was very ill advised on my end. I apologize
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: and move on. And yet now the Japanese are offended
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: because the embassy is involved.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly we're going to go to a break. When we
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: come back, look at what's.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Making headlines tomorrow, including the Victorian election becomes all about
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: rubbish bins.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: That's next.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow and
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Caleb questions in the Australian tomorrow about how our national
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: defense is being handled.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Indeed, long range missiles on Yonder on the yonder is
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: the headline the excuse if even Ben Packham. The Albanese
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: government is claiming credit for barring air towear missiles that
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: are yet to ender service and aren't due to be
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: delivered to Australia for years, sparking criticism it is engaged
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: in quote unquote performative procurement to shore up its defense credentials.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Defense Minister Richard Marles last week announced seven hundred and
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: thirty six million dollar acquisition of AIM two sixty joint
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Advanced tactical missiles, declaring they would soon quote unquote be
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: carried by Australian farighterg yets. But the AIM too sixty
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: is yet to achieve initial operating capability, and military news
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: sites say Australia won't get them until twenty thirty three.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Right real soon, very soon.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: It's only it's only what's that six years away?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Come on?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: And the problem, as he's raised in the article, is
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: that Jijingping has told the Chinese military to be ready
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: for conflict with Taiwan.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Seven, which is next yea, yeah, yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: So by the time we get our missiles, whatever conflict
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: is planned for our part of the world will be
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: all over bar the shouting.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Well exactly. And I noticed that there's a great Greg
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Sheridan opinion piece. He says Defense Minister Richard Mirles is
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: good at defense diplomacy, he's terrible at everything else. I
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: think that sums it up very well.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Indeed, not a story on the front of the Odds tomorrow.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Crashed Cars Lose Boy, a seven year old boy with
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: high needs has been taken away from the diligent, loving
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: and adept foster care as he called Mum and Dan
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: after a court found the Caucasian Australian couple could not
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: deliver the quote cultural immersion required for the boys South
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Sudan these ethnic heritage. The case is prompted criticism of
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: both the West Australian government and the state's Department of Communities.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: With the foster parents, the state opposition and the magistrate
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: who made the order, all finding fault with the way
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: the boys' situation had been managed, but also spec.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Debate over the laws that drove the decision.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: While the foster parents, who have looked after more than
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: twenty mostly high needs children, have vowed to never take
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: another child into their home, where do you begin? And
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: it's not the first case I'm aware of.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Like this.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: I have spoken to people who have been in this
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: kind of situation before but have been too afraid to
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: speak publicly because they're concerned that it will hurt their
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: ability to ever look after another child. Again, all around
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: this question of well, the child is of another ethnicity
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: or heritage, and therefore because you're white or some other
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: mob that is different from this kid, that you apparently
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: can't care for them properly.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, surely, the number one.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: Concern is to get a kid, particularly one with high needs,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: into a loving home where they are safe and they
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: are looked after. Who cares whether the parents are black, white,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: or brindle. If they're looking after that kid and that
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: kid is safe, that should be the only concern.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: And there was no doubt about any of those factors
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: in the foster care situation. By all accounts, they are
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: exemplary people. The child was much loved. He was calling
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: the foster parents Mum and dad. He had foster siblings
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: that he loved, and there were significant questions about the
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: grandmother who he's gone to live with, as to her
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: ability to care for him because particularly of his special needs.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And the only criticism was because he soon needs and
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: they're not that they would not be able to provide
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: for his cultural heritage needs.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: So he's been moved. Imagine the trauma for the kid.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Well, and I also imagine the trauma for the foster
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: parents as well. Can you imagine the heartache that they're
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: feeling right now that their child has been ripped away
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: from them because of a stupid decision?
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, stupid decisions plenty in the state of Victoria.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: The Liberals are trying to rectify them, starting with rubbish bins.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: The front page says bin warfare. Opposition leader Jess Wilson
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: has fired her latest election salvo, vowing weekly rubbish collection
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: for all Victorians. Does that not seem to you like
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a funny election topic? But it is a bit Gloria
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: is so broken. The bins are only being collected in
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: most suburbs fortnightly. Jess Wilson says that she's got a
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: plan in which she promises to scrap fortnightly rubbish collection.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: She guarantees ratepayers will not be slugged any extra to
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: fund the increased services. I would have thought having your
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: rubbish picked up and taken to the dump once a
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: week would have been the minimum service.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Not fortnightly.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Ironically, I think in many Victorian suburbs your food scraps
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: are picked up every week, but your general waste, which
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: stinks to high hell, is not well.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: But see, and this is fun that because the food
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: scraps are the bits that would often decompose and stink
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: and whatever. But if you've got kids, like baby snapping, like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: where are you going to put them? I'll just leave
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: them there for a fortnight. If you've got pets and
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: you know you've got to pick up the dogs droppings, or.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Came the other story on the front page from Morris
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Harold's son Absolute Gutful of Potholes, a monster pothole that
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: wrecked more than thirty cars and left dozen stranded on
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: the side of a busy highway. Has drawn the iora
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: of Victorians, with a local MP saying he's had an
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: absolute gutful of the state governments in action. The crater
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: sized pothole caused carnage for citybound drivers heading along the
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Princess Highway just outside Bunyip. And of course remember back
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: in November near Nanagoon, which is one of my favorite
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: place names to say, pothole claim twenty vehicles.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: That was back in November, so wasn't.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: In a Victorian MP who said last week the victor.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: People like the potter, people like pothole makes the streets class.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe go on this pretty highway. That's see how
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: she feels.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: It really does well.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Do you remember Jess Wilson went and did a social
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: media thing where she's filling in the fools and someone
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: complained that she's breaking the law by doing roadworks without authorization.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: But it really tells about the state of Victoria, doesn't it.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: When two of the biggest stories going around that you
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: don't get your bins emptied often enough and the opposition
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: wants to fix that, and that potholes are bringing more
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: than thirty cars a cropper.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: That's the state of the place.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Another day in Victoria say every night on this program.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Now nargoon is good though, you know, do you want
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: a bottle of wine?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: No?
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Nah goon?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: What be good? Move on beneath of the Day.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Telegraph say what are you about? Don't you get it? No?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Should I get it?
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: I'll explain it to you later.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, never mind, let's go look at the Daily Telegraph.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: It's a parking disgrace. Special investigation. Sydney's long suffering commuters
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: are being forced to leave home before the sun is
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: up just to fight for a car park spot by
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: seven thirty am, with more than half of the city's
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: rail car parks full before the working day has even begun.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Sixteen out of twenty six metro and train stations with
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: a dedicated park and ride car park were full by
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: nine am last Thursday, while eight had less than fifty
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: percent vacancy. In Sydney, only EMU Planes and Warwick Farm
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: boasted parking availability of more than fifty percent by nine am.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: What an absolute pain. Seriously, you've got no choice but
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: to commute, but you can't get your car to the
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: train station, so then you have to figure out what
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: a bus route to then get to the train station.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: It just adds such so much more time onto your day.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Look the infrastructure again, we don't have the infrastructure cater
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: for a booming population. And this is the problem across
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: the country and not just in New South Wales.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Well, indeed, either of you ever been to EMU Planes.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I think I drove through EMU Planes on my way
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: to somewhere else, but I'm not sure. Way what is
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: that EMU Planes that you would drive Well.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: It's it's next to Penrith, so I mean you wouldn't
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: specifically go there unless you were going there for a reason.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: I went out there recently, the very first time.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Tesla will go out to James. Do you want to
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: give it a give it a give it a crack.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Someone's got a Tesla they want to lend me.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Sure, I mean, to be fair, it's not that far
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: out of out of Sydney, but it does kind of
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: tell you if the it's the extremities of suburban Sydney,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: Warwick Farming New Planes are the only places where you
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: can get a car park, then there's a lot of
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Sydney that is struggling in.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Amongst all of that.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: On the front of the cans Post tomorrow qu'es smuggler
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: had ten people in his hotel rooms at a hell
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: of a party, doesn't it. Fish Tail Quizzed, a Sydney
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: painter who spent years living illegally in Australia, has been
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: denied bail after ten undocumented boater rifles were discovered.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Qut into his photote. How well, there's there's a bit
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: going on.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: There is bunk up.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: There. You go, all right, We're going to go to
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a break when we come back.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: New South Wales police embarrassed when they mistook a sex doll.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: For a murder victim. That's next. Well, a Brazilian footballer
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: is our.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: At the time of the day.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, this star Brazilian footballer kicked a goal and got
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: so excited he ran towards the crowd, leaped over the
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: hoarding and.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Disappeared down a tunnel.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: That tunnel was uncovered because it leads down to the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: opposition's dressing room. He hurt his ankle had to come
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: off at halftime, but to make it worse, there was
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: an off side call, so the goal he was celebrating
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: was not even a goal.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: But here's why he's a real dope. Back in twenty.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Fourteen, a Cameroon football did exactly the same thing at
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: exactly the same stadium, and here we are thirteen years
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: later or twelve years later, same mistake.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine what it must feel like when you
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: jump over and you're expecting the you know, the floor
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: to be there, and you instead just keep going down.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I've reached hell, I've reached the worst point of my life.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't imagine it would be terribly fun now.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: I don't think it would have been terribly fun to
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: be a select number of New South Wales coppers.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Over the weekend either.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: You know, we wouldn't normally do it, but I reckon,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: I feel a second one coming on.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Time the day.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, you've ever been following this story? Some blokes yesterday
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: found a bag.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: And I thought it very heavy. This bag, they reported
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: to the coppers.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: And then the coppers said they found a body inside.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: They found a woman? Did woman apparently decomposing? The police said,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: inside of this bag? And so they were frantically trying
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: to work out who it was and what led to
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: these circumstances, until the sort of very sheepishly had to
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: confirm this afternoon that wasn't a woman.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: It was actually a doll, a lifelike doll.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: How do you just sort of miss that it wasn't
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: an actual person and that it was infacted, I.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Mean said it was decomposing. They were convinced this was
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: a real person.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe it just shows how good technology and sex
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: dolls have come over extraordinarily. So I mean that now
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: you can't tell the difference between whether their real life
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: or not. And maybe that's a big problem.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: You can't tell the difference between a sex doll and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a dead person.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Wow, but you know it's true that they make them
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: so life like.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Now, now what There'll be more to come on this story.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well you know we normally don't do this,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: but we're going for a trifecta tonight.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: The day.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, a biological man who identifies as a woman who
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: fled Donald Trump's America because they didn't like Donald Trump,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: then went to the Netherlands, ended up in a European
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: asylum center, is now back in the US because they realized, quote,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: this is one of the dumbest things I've ever done.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Halfware engineer Jane Mitchell Ark returned home to California after
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: failing to win asylum in the Netherlands, after discovering that
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: life at the notorious t Appel refugee camp was far
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: more terrifying than anything under Trump's America.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: This is the dumbest thing I've ever done, wildly stupid,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: he claimed.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: I think this fits into the f around and find
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: out category.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Oh it's so bad in Trump's America.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: A whole lot of Hollywood stars that would identify with
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: that feeling, who all said they would leave and decided
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: America was better. That's it from us sticking around. Coming
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: ups the Rider Penney Show. We'll see it tomorrow.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: M