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NFL DFS Week 13 Takedown Breakdown | Winning DraftKings Lineups & Strategy Review · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: I think I killed the intro on this one. My bad.
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  Speaker 2: But welcome to this week's edition of the Takedown Breakdown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here with my guy Naids, Totag, and Tambo gonna
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  Speaker 2: break down all things from the main slate week thirteen,
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  Speaker 2: and Aid's the new stream here. It always gets me.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably the first time I've ever done that. But
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  Speaker 2: I killed us on the introm Man, how you doing
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  Speaker 2: this week?
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  Speaker 3: Hey killed us on the intro. That's all right. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're reviewing week thirteen, Crazy crazy number thirteen, right, crazy
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  Speaker 3: slate Yesterday, crazy showdowns, Thanksgiving hangover, and stream Yard's still
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  Speaker 3: drunk as well, So hey, nothing nothing bad to say there,
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  Speaker 3: Happy Monday, looking forward to breaking the slate down. I
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  Speaker 3: think there was a lot of angles that people thought
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  Speaker 3: they knew, but then when we obviously go in and
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  Speaker 3: review it, there's some really clear angles that some people
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  Speaker 3: took advantage of and some others didn't, right in different
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  Speaker 3: ways to play the chalk obviously, we had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of chalk yesterday that most times, especially like running back chalk,
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  Speaker 3: things like that are usually more set in stone than
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  Speaker 3: kind of receiver chalk and things. So overall, I think
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  Speaker 3: the winning lineups did a good job putting all together.
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  Speaker 3: I know you were close. We'll do our best to
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  Speaker 3: kind of reverse engineer it right and break it down.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone kind of wonders why we do these shows, right,
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  Speaker 3: And no shit, it's easy to talk about a lineup
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  Speaker 3: that won right because you knew how they got there.
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  Speaker 3: But we're trying to reverse engineer in terms of our process, right,
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  Speaker 3: not the picks and the plays. You can go on
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  Speaker 3: picks and plays every single day, right, there's a million
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  Speaker 3: shows across the industry that talk on picks and plays.
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  Speaker 3: We're trying to figure out how to actually put the
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  Speaker 3: puzzle pieces together without actually focusing on the picks themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's a good you know, segue to
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  Speaker 2: what I'm going to talk about for sure, because we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to the perfect lineup in a second, and we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna look at the twenty dollars million maker winner, we'll
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  Speaker 2: look at the five to fifty five. I'll show you guys,
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  Speaker 2: my lineup that may finished fifth in the one to
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  Speaker 2: fifty three max. But that's the key point that you
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  Speaker 2: said when people talk about this, like those are more
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  Speaker 2: virtual handbuilds for me, I've talked about this a ton
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  Speaker 2: in the past or a handbuild, you know, in a
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  Speaker 2: sense where I'm looking at it, taking things we've learned
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  Speaker 2: from the past and then trying to put it all
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  Speaker 2: together with the tools and have them make sense. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll show you, guys that exactly where I got this
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  Speaker 2: from when we get there. But it was a close
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  Speaker 2: day for me, you know, the most tilting part. I
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  Speaker 2: would say, play play satellites. They say, play qualifiers, they
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  Speaker 2: say it'll be fun. I got third, fourth, second, fourth
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  Speaker 2: in the FFWC and King of the Deserts. I got
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  Speaker 2: fifth in the one fifty three max with one hundred
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  Speaker 2: k up top. I got eleventh on FanDuel and the
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  Speaker 2: fifty five dollars But that was like anything goes my
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  Speaker 2: way at the end. It would have been much better.
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  Speaker 2: Had some big member wins. Congrats to our girls. She
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  Speaker 2: got the job done last night. Forty four K up
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  Speaker 2: top in the showdown streets for that overtime. I really
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  Speaker 2: thought too that Mariota was gonna pay me back that
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  Speaker 2: fifty three K he lost me earlier this season, and
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  Speaker 2: he did throw another pick. You know, it ended up
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  Speaker 2: getting He did the job down the stretch to get
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  Speaker 2: it to ot for me, and that's where I thought
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  Speaker 2: I had a shop. But once that Harvey touchdown and
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  Speaker 2: McLaurin touchdown went in, that's that showdown for you. But nays,
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  Speaker 2: let's hop in. Let's go to the perfect lineup before
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to this Naid's we will go.
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  Speaker 2: Here, we go here, and we should be all set.
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  Speaker 2: So perfect lineup. I'll let you run through this one.
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  Speaker 2: But Brissett, there's some secondary stacks. Take us through the lineup.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of things that made sense,
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  Speaker 2: and then you us have some good talking points when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to guys like Vlay and you know where
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  Speaker 2: everybody else was at and how this kind of lined up.
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  Speaker 2: But give me your thoughts on this perfect lineup. It
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  Speaker 2: did use the entire fifty k and just to note it,
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  Speaker 2: Nad's real quick the twenty dollars MILLI maker. I don't
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  Speaker 2: have it right in front of me, but it was
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  Speaker 2: nowhere near to twenty six at least I know that much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it wasn't. I think it was like two
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  Speaker 3: a five or two of four or something something in
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  Speaker 3: that realm. So about twenty points off. Basically the Jacoby stuff,
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  Speaker 3: I'll start with Jacoby, right. The reason I think you
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  Speaker 3: could have got to a Jacoby naked type build is
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  Speaker 3: number one, Trim McBride got a huge price increase. Number two,
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  Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison was coming back. Michael Wilson is still priced
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  Speaker 3: up like Marvin Harrison was out right, So if you
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  Speaker 3: could play a team like this, right, you know, Tampa
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  Speaker 3: Bay's a pass final. You know, Jacoby Brissett's been chucking
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  Speaker 3: the all left and right. You don't know where it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be consolidated outside of maybe McBride, which it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't until it was right late in that game. And
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  Speaker 3: McBride's seventy eight hundred dollars, right, So you're saving two
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars going to a guy like brock Bowers is
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  Speaker 3: a one off. So I think getting to a Jacoby
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  Speaker 3: Brissett naked team you could have. Obviously that's not how
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  Speaker 3: a lot of a lot a lot of people build,
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  Speaker 3: but how it makes sense is with a quarterback that
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  Speaker 3: has an uncertainty situation that does have some sort of
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  Speaker 3: a rushing floor. The thing I like the most here
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  Speaker 3: is the Bejon and a Donnie Mitchell mini stack. The
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  Speaker 3: reason being is nobody wanted to play Jon at that
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  Speaker 3: price point. Right, They're like, why am I paying over
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  Speaker 3: a chan Right? I got Kenneth Walker, I got COMMANI vedall,
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  Speaker 3: I got obviously a chan Right, you can only play
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  Speaker 3: three running backs. There was other guys in that cheaper range, right,
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  Speaker 3: guys like Travis Etn that were getting played. Nobody was
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  Speaker 3: really clicking Djon Robinson and but everybody wanted to be
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  Speaker 3: in on the Jets pieces, right. The reason that Donnie
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  Speaker 3: Mitchell and Mechi didn't really get steamed two much is
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  Speaker 3: number one, they're cheap, but not only that, there's there's
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  Speaker 3: two of them to pick from, right, and there's uncertainty there.
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  Speaker 3: We'll obviously talk when we get to the winning lineups.
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  Speaker 3: Some people that did unlock it, including yourself, right and
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  Speaker 3: just pairing it with their cheap quarterback and saying for
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  Speaker 3: sub ten thousand dollars, I'm going to play this whole offense,
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  Speaker 3: which then allows me to unlock a ceiling of a
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  Speaker 3: guy like Bijon Right. Matchups things like that don't matter
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  Speaker 3: with a guy like bijonham As double bonus. He's always
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  Speaker 3: live to double bonus anytime he's on the slate right.
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  Speaker 3: He is the pivotal part of the offense there, And
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  Speaker 3: you just had a pink on Atlanta opening their minds
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  Speaker 3: up a little bit and realizing that, hey, we should
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  Speaker 3: probably give this guy the ball and we might have
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  Speaker 3: a chance to win a football game here. So I
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  Speaker 3: really like that mini stack because I feel like a
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  Speaker 3: guy like that Donnie Mitchell unlocks and speeds up the
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  Speaker 3: game quicker than a guy like Mechi would because of
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  Speaker 3: the down throat the downfield threat that he does display there.
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  Speaker 3: So I like that the Vilay. Nobody was really going
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  Speaker 3: to any the Saints value outside of a guy like
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  Speaker 3: Taysom Hill right, which was twenty seven hundred dollars at
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  Speaker 3: a different position. Tasom came in at like twelve percent
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  Speaker 3: owned right, same team, different position, a little bit more expensive.
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  Speaker 3: And then you're not also playing the Jaden Higgins of
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  Speaker 3: the world, you're not playing the John Metchis of the world,
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  Speaker 3: and you're going to a game right there where it's correlated.
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  Speaker 3: You could have did a skinny stack with with eight
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  Speaker 3: chan there overall, so I like the Vla play there.
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  Speaker 3: He's still been heavily involved in that offense. They're five
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  Speaker 3: and a half point dogs in fair weather in Miami, right,
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  Speaker 3: good warm temperatures. I know there was some wind, but
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  Speaker 3: again the wind in Miami is different than the wind
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  Speaker 3: up in the East Coast when it's freezing cold outside.
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  Speaker 3: So I like that. And the biggest play I like
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  Speaker 3: here is the DeVante Adams play. The reason being is
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  Speaker 3: it leverages everything in that game, right. It leverages the
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  Speaker 3: Puka Nakua, leverages the Kyrine Williams, and you save money. Right,
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  Speaker 3: It's seventy five hundred dollars is one thousand dollars more
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  Speaker 3: than a guy like Nico Collins, who is the chalk
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  Speaker 3: receiver coming into the slate as well, and that allows
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  Speaker 3: you to go up and spend up and get a
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  Speaker 3: guy like Bijon, Right, So I think overall, how you
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  Speaker 3: could have come on this is just an overall construction
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  Speaker 3: wise of fading the fragile chalk like the wide receiver
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  Speaker 3: talk playing a good play in Commani Vidal who was
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  Speaker 3: owned but then it allows you to spend up and
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  Speaker 3: get different at a separator right, like a Bijon over
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  Speaker 3: baby Beijon can eat eight chan's lunch right in terms
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  Speaker 3: of overall ceiling on the slate right, and that's how
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  Speaker 3: you kind of get yourself there differently. So I like
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  Speaker 3: that overall, and then spending up at tight end when
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  Speaker 3: most are spending down right and playing a guy like
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  Speaker 3: Gadson going up and getting a guy like brock Bauers
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  Speaker 3: who has greg Olsen now is the offensive coordinator there.
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  Speaker 3: If anybody realizes greg Olsen was a really damn good
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  Speaker 3: tight end himself, you have to realize and believe that
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  Speaker 3: they're just going to leverage and lean on their best player.
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  Speaker 3: And you saw that especially late in that game when
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  Speaker 3: they were just force feeding him in the red zone late.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, some of this stuff. In a minute, I
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  Speaker 2: will say this one like, there's simply no way to
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  Speaker 2: research and account for this.
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  Speaker 1: It's just false. We'll go into it in a second.
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  Speaker 2: I'll show you directly my actual MME set didn't do
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  Speaker 2: as well as my three MAX where I was able
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  Speaker 2: to hand pick and look at the slate and take it.
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  Speaker 2: It's all to each their own like it's every week.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to do this every week.
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  Speaker 2: You're looking for one week throughout the NFL season. This
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  Speaker 2: could have been a game changer for me. I said
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  Speaker 2: it all year. I'm waiting for a lower scoring slate
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  Speaker 2: to be able to have a big week because it's
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  Speaker 2: all in how you play those weeks. And I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: just skip to it now, Dad's because it's just easier,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll reverse backwards. I mean, the perfect lineup.
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  Speaker 2: You broke it down there just shows us where the
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  Speaker 2: starting point was, but just to so people can see it,
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  Speaker 2: like you can't make this stuff up. This was my
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  Speaker 2: fifth place in the one fifty three Max yesterday. It
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  Speaker 2: was a Tyrod Taylor. I talked about this directly on
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  Speaker 2: the show yesterday, and I said, you could play Bijon
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  Speaker 2: instead of a Chan opposite of Bress Hall, or you
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  Speaker 2: could play him, because then you double down, you'd get
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  Speaker 2: the Breeze Hall leverage in going to and people could
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  Speaker 2: say whatever, like these were higher owned for low priced guys,
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  Speaker 2: but their quarterback was five percent. Their combined ownership almost
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  Speaker 2: was less than Breese Hall's on its own. And then
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  Speaker 2: I played the opposite side at twelve percent. That was
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  Speaker 2: a slate breaker on this particular slate with Bijon, And
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  Speaker 2: then to get even more different, instead of pivoting, I
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  Speaker 2: played Bijon and a Chan together. But if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the build, Tyrod Mechi, Mitchell, Bijeon, that allowed me
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  Speaker 2: to play a secondary stack of a Chan and Olave.
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  Speaker 2: That allowed me to play a secondary stack of Bowers
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  Speaker 2: and Vidal, and it landed me on the San Francisco defense.
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  Speaker 2: It was a three v three away if you hadn't
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  Speaker 2: had Seattle defense here. If I had to played Waddle
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  Speaker 2: instead of a Chan in this lineup over O Lave
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  Speaker 2: and then James Cook, if some butts or candies and
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff, I get it. I'm just saying it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't that far off. But this is a single. This
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  Speaker 2: is just my mind going to the stone, looking at
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  Speaker 2: the slate and treating it accordingly. So if people want
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  Speaker 2: to know where to find it, it's very easy.
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  Speaker 1: You go here.
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  Speaker 2: Bris Hall super chalk negative leverage, but he's better than that.
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  Speaker 2: I still played him elsewhere he was. He's a high
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  Speaker 2: high leverage, but he's negative. So if I'm gonna go there,
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  Speaker 2: why not play Tyrod, Mechi Mitchell, and then on the
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  Speaker 2: other side. I thought Bijeon could come in even less
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  Speaker 2: we talked about him moonwalking. You've got a high upside,
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  Speaker 2: a high upside mixed with a cash cash consideration. There's
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  Speaker 2: four plays now go to e Chan negative leverage, but
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  Speaker 2: the highest we had on the slate. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: thirty three percent to be optimal cash consideration, Olave thirteen
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  Speaker 2: percent to be optimal secondary stack.
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  Speaker 1: That works just fine.
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  Speaker 2: Cash consideration a part of one of the highest stack
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  Speaker 2: rankings on the slate. I was fine with that. A Chan,
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  Speaker 2: We loved that. All made sense go down to that
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  Speaker 2: afternoon game. This was not a late swap. There was
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  Speaker 2: no need to late swap. There was nothing to do here.
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  Speaker 2: Rock Bowers cash consideration one of our highest tight end
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  Speaker 2: optimal percentages.
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  Speaker 1: Vidal.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm not playing the six K Breese Hall, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm playing the stack that leverages it with Tyrod and
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  Speaker 2: the other two running backs, and I'm not on that's
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  Speaker 2: another thing too. I could have been on Walker and
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  Speaker 2: the Seattle D as opposed to Vidal the and the
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco D but I didn't get to that one either,
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  Speaker 2: So just noting it but I like Vidal across from Bauers.
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  Speaker 2: So again you find these things after This is what
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  Speaker 2: I always say, though, aids about looking for stuff within
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  Speaker 2: the perfect and within what we always look at on
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  Speaker 2: this show to be able to help me in situations
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  Speaker 2: like this for when I'm finding it. So just going
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  Speaker 2: back up, this was the other thing. San Francisco D
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  Speaker 2: at thirty six hundred was still an eight point four
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  Speaker 2: optimal defense. At thirty six hundred, I thought they'd be
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit lower owned. Obviously if I had
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  Speaker 2: a got here, I would have got to Walker and
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks not.
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  Speaker 1: Like Walker did much vat all beat him.
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  Speaker 2: But for what veat all made up over that there
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  Speaker 2: was a slight benefit of going because of the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: D just absolutely crushed.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's kind of the set up there. Jerry
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  Speaker 2: Matt says, great build. Just curious if most players were
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  Speaker 2: playing Mechi with Mitchell in their tyrod stacks, was there
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  Speaker 2: any thought to tyrod with one and not both? Sure
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  Speaker 2: you could build either or, but it's always what we
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  Speaker 2: talk about, right. That's what we were saying yesterday is
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  Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't really you kind of it's actually
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  Speaker 2: for me. I like it better to give me both
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  Speaker 2: to get me a chan and to get me Bijon together.
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  Speaker 2: Because hand picking this like, what if you just pick Metchi,
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  Speaker 2: you're screwed. He dropped a touchdown two that could have
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  Speaker 2: been helpful, but just noting it, you could have been screwed.
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  Speaker 2: Can you play just but each of them? Yes, if
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  Speaker 2: you found something better that you liked. I just don't care.
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  Speaker 2: And this when I was trying to tell people like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they sucked, there's so many better things on the slate. Whatever,
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  Speaker 2: I literally don't care. The price is forty three hundred,
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight and thirty six. The stack certainty doesn't get
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  Speaker 2: much higher than this. I'm not including Breese Hall. I'm
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  Speaker 2: purposely leveraging him. I don't care about Lazard. At one
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  Speaker 2: point one percent optimal, Mason Taylor could have worked. But
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  Speaker 2: even then you would have been picking two, and I
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  Speaker 2: thought there was way better tight ends on the slate.
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  Speaker 2: I would have picked Kyle Pitts for a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more money. I would have picked Aughten for a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more money. I was already on McBride. We talked
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  Speaker 2: about liking Brenton Strange all of this, so just showing
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  Speaker 2: you that in aids. I mean, that's a prime example
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  Speaker 2: where everyone says like, oh, I don't know how you
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  Speaker 2: did it on this slate or how you figure like
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: it's all right there. This is pretty standard stuff that
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  Speaker 2: we talk about every week on this show. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: very fortunate that it hit. It's also unfortunate didn't hit
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  Speaker 2: for more. But at the end of the day, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to be unhappy with the process. I think
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  Speaker 2: the lineup build was strong, and if I could look
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  Speaker 2: at a couple of things that I missed, it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: James Cook, I liked in the Buffalo spot with the
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  Speaker 2: high total Seattle d I would have much preferred over
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: San Francisco, but I just didn't find it. And I
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: could have had it if I built it out differently,
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: but I liked to beat all across from Bauer.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: So I'll let you go ahead.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think that's a really good build and
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: to the points, right, So you look at MATCHI fourteen
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: percent owned, you look at a Donna Mitchell thirteen percent owned, right,
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: four sub four K receivers. That is pretty high on ownership, right,
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: we don't see that too often. But then you pair
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: it with a quarterback, and together all three of those
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: when you do it as a complete stack, three percent
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: of our Yeah, I think it's three percent when looking
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: in this contest. So overall, you take that ownership and
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: slice it like literally in a third and Breeshall came
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: in at what Breeshall was like thirty six percent or
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: something in this contest, probably h thirty two percent in
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: this contest. So you it's the standard leveraging. What you
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: know is chalk going in with non crazy plays that
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: are correlated together. I mean, those two paired together are
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: cheaper than DeVante Adams right in a time share with
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: a guy like Kukin Nakua and Kyron Williams and all
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: and Kobe Parkinson and all the offensive weapons to feed
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: in that game. Obviously, Devontae Adams got there. So not
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: just being results oriented, but you got to look at
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: the salaries, right, salaries matter. You got a sub four
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: five K quarterback forty three hundred with rushing upside, and
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: two cheap pass catchers that can get there on their own,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: but they can also help bring Tyrod Taylor along or
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: he can bring those guys along, and it leverages if
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: those guys are getting there Brice Hall, who everybody has
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: right or has Brice Hall and maybe one of the
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: one of the receivers. You're you're leveraging all of that
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: on the slate, right, So it's not about just being
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: results oriented. It's about leveraging what you know is chalk
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: going in, you know a chance chalk going in. You
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: know Brice Hall, are chalk going in? Those two running
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: back right there, we're coming pre loaded in majority of
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: people's teams overall, along with Gadson. So now you're not
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: only doubling down and you're going up at tight end.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: You're now leveraging Gatston with Kamani Vdahl, unlocking a ceiling
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: of a guy like brock Bowers at the same position.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: But now you're fading breist Hall at the other running
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: back position as well with the passing stack. So that's
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: kind of how you can talk through it overall and
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: get there. And even if this lineup took last place, right,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: the thought process is there and it makes sense and
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: it could have on any given Sunday got there like
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: it almost did for you yesterday.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: That's what people need to remember. I mean, this is
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the one that got there sure, and it's easier to
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: show that off. But it's just it's all about the
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: process of the build and just showing how we got
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: there using the ship and nation tools, like that's how
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: so many people are getting there. So to say it's
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: like you can't get there, you do got to put
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: your time in. You do got to put the work
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: in and be able to figure it out. Those they're
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: watching this show right now obviously are doing that. And
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: this is a side note, like I like Pokah and
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: JSA yesterday too, but even Adams nowhere to be. I mean,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: you didn't necessarily need him. He's on the opt I'm saying,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't on as many rosters because not many
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: played him. But he's an outlier of course, I'm saying
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: when you talk about guys like JSN ninety five hundred,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: when you're talking about yesterday, all the people that wanted
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: to talk about the CMC and the JT stuff, like
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I use those guys in the proper play in the
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: places where they made sense and those builds. So in
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: my version of this, no different than Tyrod with Mechi
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Mitchell and Bijon. And to Kyle's other point here, he said,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: love the leverage separators. If you go look at the stone,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: that's the key again. Oh Tyrod chalk first of all
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: five percent eight chalk or whatever he came in at
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: on that lineup. I just looked at five point one percent.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Oh Mechi donkey play fine, he dropped a touchdown, he
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: could have had better and he didn't work out. But
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: putting in a Mitchell leverage and a Robinson leverage and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Robinson is huge, huge, optimal only ended up coming in
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: at twelve point eight percent, and he allows you to
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: fit this if it's well with what would make it work,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and leverages the running back in that.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Game as well. Those are key contributors. But the strap.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: With Jayden Higgins with Collins like that made sense if
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: you wanted to put a Warren or a JT in there,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: but that they would be guys that would speed up
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the game and make those lineups work. If it didn't work,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: that's where, like Nate said, this is just the one
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: that got there. But the process can be applied across
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: all of them. And speaking of process code res, I
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: can't tell you guys this enough. And really again, everyone
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: always talks about this stuff like I Again, it's not
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: for everybody and I don't really care if you buy
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: it or you don't. There was fifty spots left last week.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: There is twenty two after Black Friday. If you go
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: to ship at nation dot com, go to Mastermind and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: click it, it opens up this page.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: You can scroll down to join.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: The one time option will be gone when the next
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: twenty two spots sell or when the end of the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: month comes up. And the reason I'm saying that is
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: because if you go and I log in and let's
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: just see here strategy and scroll down, it's literally the
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: first video right here. If you want an hour plus
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: of me and aate's actually going through exactly how.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: To use it. The step back is and I actually did.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Right process of breaking it down. That's under the Mastermind program.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: This is an hour long and you could see us
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: go through one by one with stack rankings the stone
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and then taking it directly into sabersim.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: That's how people are doing it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: If you want to get good at golf, you go
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: get a golf instructor and find out how to hit
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the hit the golf ball better, or you suffer through
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: it and pay countless dollars trying to figure it out yourself.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: This is part of it.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: If you want our direct process, that's the way to
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: go and do it. So going back to the Stone aids,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: this is another thing too. I kept talking about it yesterday.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It just I'm gonna mention it because it fit this
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: one as well. If you get these big team totals right,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: like the Bills and the Rams right, the big team
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: totals in that look at the leverage plays in these
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: lineups and what they ended up doing. This is the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: results Orient did. But it's just to note if you're
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: looking for high leverage spots to go back to it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: This is a spot where DeVante Adams just absolutely crushed
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and went off. Jalen Cocher ten. Those guys were in
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the same game. They both had big games. If you
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: go back down James Cook another great optimal for a
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: guy that was just being overlooked in that range.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: You can find all of these plays. And I say
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: it to.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Everybody every single time. You literally just have to put
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: up the stone on one screen. It would be the
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: best for anyone.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Days.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Like we literally talk about in that Mastermind video, if
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: you just stop trying to listen to one hundred podcasts,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: stop trying to figure out everything on your own. Just
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: put the put the screen up with the stone, put
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the screen up with Sabersim, and literally turn everybody off
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: and just pull over all the color coded plays across
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the board and let it build good lineups for you.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: That's Sabersim does the work, but it's the Stone that's
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: actually the inputs. If you just did the Stone inputs
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and were able to bring those across, you would get
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: much better lineups with natural correlation. Let even if you
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: only have the core plant right, the original plan that
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: we talk about, the base model plan that comes with
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: these these deals, the six nine or the one sixty seven,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: you would do so much better because saber score would
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: take over on top of the inputs, which is you're
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: using the stone to create the player pool. That would
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: do it all for you. So hopefully people know that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Jerry Matt, who's in the mentorship program, says master my
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: videos are the best fantastic video to leverage. And Rewatch
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: another vouch for Mastermind. How do you reconcile projections verse
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: putting your line together? That's actually a good question, I'm Stephen,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: but it goes back to what we always talk about
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: in AIDS. I'll let you talk to on it. But
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that's the virtual handbuild of it all. And that's what
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. If you took the stone as your inputs
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and then let the outputs be the result of what
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Sabersim gives you based off the stone and our projections
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: and ownership, it would put it together for the type
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of tournament that you're playing in. Then you could take
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: it and either finagle it and say, well, I kind
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: of like that one, but I really just want to
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: see what happens if I change this and reconcile your
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: projection right there, because you'd know what you're giving up
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: or what you're gaining. That's how you do it for that,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: But go ahead, nads if you want to want to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: take anything from that.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't really think projections matter as
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: much when you're building a pool like off of the stone, right,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: So I mean I literally do this. The only really
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: show that I listened to is your Guys' show Sunday
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: because obviously I like to hear your thoughts because you
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: look at the stone and title and Hoop do as well, right,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: and kind of make your thought processes around that. I mean,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: if you look at the top scores yesterday. There was
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: only one player in the top ten that was not
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: color coded in terms of actual scores that they dropped
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: on the slate yesterday, right, just from the wide receiver
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: position alone, not let not talking the rest of the positions.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: So wide receivers one out of the top ten top
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: highest scores on the slate yesterday, we're not color coded
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: on the stone. If that doesn't tell you, and it's
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: weekend and week out like this, you can literally do that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Put it up, run a set of teams, look at
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: kind of what the Saber sam is doing for you
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: in terms of putting those guys together. You can use
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: that as a framework then to now, okay, maybe you're
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: doing another correlation that Saber didn't do right. So you
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: take one guy out, plug it in with another color
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: coded guy, go back to the stone. Right, Okay, it's
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: doing this, it likes this, but I also want I
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: want this right because I know ball or I think
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I know this right, and go to the stone. They're
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: color coded, they correlate, they're in a game, a target game, right,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: a high team total. And now you can do a
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: virtual handbuild off of what the foundation that Sabersin gives
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: you so the I mean, it's there's not much more
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to say. We could review this every single week. I
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: described a wide receiver position and saw nine out of
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: ten are color coded either cash consideration or high upside
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: plays on the stone and you're not getting off the
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: wall playing a bunch of randoms.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, couldn't hammer this more like this is the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: whole point of the process by analysis thing I'm not saying.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, even if you canceled, I don't care.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Like I tell people all the time, like watch whatever
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you like, but I would watch people that actually play
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: dfs for significant amount of money because they have the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: highest level of care around what they're doing. And the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: people that are making the most money playing dfs are
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the ones playing dfs. That's why we talk about a
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: ship in nation. It's not who to play, it's how
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to play. Mastermind back set up even further, like, we
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: have everything available for you to do this stuff. But
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the problem is is too many people want to put
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: their own spins on everything. They want to listen to
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: ten different podcasts and then don't know which. Then they've
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: got ten to twenty different quarterbacks. To limit it down.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And that's the other thing.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Let me just show this. Let's go back over here.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: This is the twenty dollars million maker. Congrats to b
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Moseley twenty four. We'll get to that lineup in a minute.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Two oh five. I was quite the spread after I mean,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: not much to second, but two two down to one
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: ninety seven. But look, Jacoby Tyler shuck, Tyrod Taylor. I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: think we saw Stroud down here, Tyrod Taylor. Like again,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Tyrod showed up on a bunch, but so Jacoby was
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: up there, Tyler shuck.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: It's the cheap quarterbacks that made it all work.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And that's a product of how the slate played out, certainly,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: but also just looking at it, it's like, that's why
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: when people are like, oh, but they suck, or but
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: oh they're horrible, it has not thing to do with that.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It's all what they make work. They're still a QB one,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: they still get to play four quarter It's like in
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: the pgad F streets. For anybody who plays that in Showdown,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I mean you could leave. If Patrick Cantlay is ten
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: point five k playing in the thirty mile an hour
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: wins in the afternoon, I don't give a shit you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: if he if he's eight k, there's still guys in
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the six k's that play first thing in the morning
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that can beat them. They get the same eighteen holes,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: they get the better conditions. It's not even really about
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the price or the caliber of the player at that point.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: There's something that it makes the lineups work for the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: scenario of what you need. And that's kind of the thing.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And yeah, this is another thing. I don't think it's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: different to say that we've seen this in the past,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Like the reason two tight ends started to be a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: thing originally was because they wouldn't adjust the prices on it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: You do need to know the scoring rules, which most
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: do by now, and you do need to adjust your
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: play for the scoring rules to recognize that the expensive
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks typically are you know, either not getting there or
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: only putting up scores that others are equaling, or getting
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: crushed by point per dollar on somebody like that's like
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Jacoby yesterday, how did he get there? It is garbage time.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: They count the same. Garbage time points count exactly the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: same as scoring them in the first quarter. It doesn't
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: matter when you get them, as long as you get them.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: So just got to keep that in mind. I'm Steven says,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: how do you do that with one hundred? Talking about
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: rockets again? This is why Nate said, he's not saying
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: projections don't matter. He's saying, when you already have my
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: example of the stone, mixing it with Sabersim and then
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: letting it do its job, people always say, well, Sabersim
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: gave me this. Your inputs are your outputs. Sabersim is
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: an optimizer. It is taking our projections, our ownership and
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: what you're selecting as your player pool, and any rules
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: and settings you put on top of it, and giving
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you the outputs. Did it physically provide them to you?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Does your vehicle go to the grocery store when you
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: say go to the grocery store? No, it goes there
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: when you either drive it there or these days if
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: it drives you there. But that is the output was
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: still you drove right, You still had to drive your
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: vehicle there. You were the input. The vehicle was the output.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: That's that's the same set up here. It's what you
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: put in is what you get out. So if you
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: have one hundred and fifty or twenty max or whatever
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: that is, you need to trust your inputs first. But
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: like I always say, that's a huge component of something
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I talk a ton about. And I used to be
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: very at fault for this NEIDS back in the day
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: with my school and my grades. Is I would give
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the essay the day the essay was due, and then
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I would get the bad mark the day the marks
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: came back.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: And what was the why was that happening? Well, it
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: was because there was no review before.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I submitted the essay. I just did it to complete it,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and then I wondered why I had a bad grade.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: In that case, it mattered because grades were important and
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: D D. I'm not going to go on a long
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: winded grant, but in this case, it's your real hard
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: earned dollars and money that you're putting in. And there's
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: still so many people that aren't reviewing their inputs before
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: they accept their outputs, and then they just chalk it
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: up to another bad week or oh another shitty slate
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: or all this sport sucks or whatever. These people just
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: never have anything to show for it. But who knows
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: what the work is they're actually putting in. So can
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: sound however you want to, you know, take it, but
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: for me. That's the important piece to this is you
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: do get out what you put in. You got to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: put the time in. Anybody here watching this likely cares
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: about this stuff. So that's why I bring it up
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: here more than anywhere else, because most cases, people just
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: want the picks, they just want the core plays. They
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: don't want to do any work. And that's really what
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: it comes down to. Those putting in the work are
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: those that are winning at dfs. That's simple, all right.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And so the b.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Moseley's lineup here, Nay, it's pretty good one. Jacoby Naked.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: You know, five k for Stroud by the way, where
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you could pick up eight hundred dollars. I'm not sure
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: in this lineup, to be honest, exactly where one might
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: spend it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I was trying to look. I thought there was a
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: tight end.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I guess it would have been Gadson if you wanted
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: to put Gadson in for that five, you know, But
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: even then that's eight would go to sixty, would go
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to forty six hundred, so you'd still have three hundred
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: bucks left on the table. But give us your best
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: shot at this one. It is interesting it had Nico
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and Schultz with no Stroud, but Yakobe naked on this
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: slate maybe could be a thing as well if you
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: didn't want to try and pay up for McBride.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I think so this this build
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: right here, right, you're not playing so okay, Nico Dalton
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Schultz are good. Most people that are playing those are
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: playing with c J. Stroud for eight hundred dollars cheaper, right,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: But in the build like this, you're just saying Jacoby
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: straight up beats Nika or straight up beat c J. Stroud.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: You still got the two guys that are most likely
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: going to be attached to c J. Stroud for the
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: most part. I know Higgins and that, but you're saying, Okay,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not playing Higgins in this lineup, but Donna Mitchell
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: is gonna beat Higgins straight up right now. Jacoby Brissett
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: talked about it, right, His pass catchers are expensive for
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: the uncertainty that is there that's with with Marv coming back, right,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: And since you're not doing that, you're not playing the CJ.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Stroud stuff. That means you can't play Trey McBride because
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: of the salary attached with a guy like Jacoby. My
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: so now you save that money there go do a
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: guy like brock Powers. Overall, I think it's a really
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: good build. I think playing the bijon Donna Mitchell what
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: was obviously the key to unlock the winning the I
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: mean it was the key to everything yesterday, right, the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: bijon Donnie Mitchell. But I think how he set this
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: out here. She set this up with not going c J. Stroud.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: When most we're going c J. Stroud, you're still playing
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: those floor plays of two guys number one, don't Shoultz
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: at a onesie position that can get there on pp
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: PPIA points perception right on DraftKings scoring. Same thing with
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Nico Collins, where necessarily they don't need to at those
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: salaries bring along their five thousand dollars quarterback. They could,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: but again you're just saying Jacoby's just gonna straight up
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: beat beat c J. Stroud coming back right first came
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: back on the road in Indy. Jacoby Brissetts against the
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: past funnel right has some rushing floor, so that's really
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: how you get that. And then and I mean the
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: tech mcmillion on the other side of all the rams
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: chalk right is just kind of standalone one off who
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: has been heavily involved. And if you just looked at
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: that game and said, this game is going to play
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: closer than what the spread indicates, I'm just going to
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: get a piece that would help that game stay close.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: From the side who's the big underdogs. I'm not going
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to the running game, but I'm not going to the
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: cheap punk guy because I already got my punt into
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Donna Mitchell off of Jalen Coker, who also obviously got there.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: You're just playing tet as a one off at sixty
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: one hundred dollars when most people in that range are
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: going to guys like Jalen Waddle, Chris Olave, things like that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: So overall, I think the build is really good. I
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: think they had They did have one hundred and fifty teams,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: so it is a portfolio build, But that was the
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: only one in the top twenty, like twenty something. There's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: two one hundred and fifty maxes. The rest were all
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: sub twenty teams, most of them sub five teams. So,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: going back to that point earlier, right when you can't
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: win unless you play one hundred and fifty just not
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: the case. And this is a telltale sign of that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, majority of the people in the twenty dollars
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: million maker had five teams or less in the top
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: of the leader boards.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Site springs up a good point here, and I
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: appreciate the honesty, says, you know. It helps me to
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: know I was on every player on the optimal except Vlay.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Sabersim was giving me delay.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I moved off unfortunately, need to be more open to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the options of the stone, and Sabersim were suggesting again,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: if you're using our projections, that's why you were getting
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: in Vlay color coded on the stone again, would have
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Major Pool a solid eight point one when you look
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: at thirty five hundred dollars, so like it could have
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: been Vlay, It could have been Mitchell, who had a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: slightly higher projection down here, a little bit more optimal
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: if you look at the stone. But just to note
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: that would have made it. It made its way in
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and that's why you see some of the Tyler Shuck lineups.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I think there was even like the second one is
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Shuck O Lave Vlay with Mitchell, who I just pointed out.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is an excellent lineup too. By the way,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: if you just look at it, it's like you're not
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: playing Hall, so you're playing Mitchell, you're playing Bijon across
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: from who's the flip side of that game.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So there's a secondary stack that kind of goes against it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: You're not on the cheap stack of Tyrod with a
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: with a Mitchell and.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Mechi, So instead you go to this.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: If you're not on McBride, who's expensive, maybe you go
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to somebody who could actually beat him at the position
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: and more point per dollar, I think, because I'm pretty
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: sure McBride still had a decent enough day, but it
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: was at seventy eight hundred versus fifty eight, you get
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the little chalk combo. At the least it makes sense
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: when you have a one percent or a seven percenter,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: a two percenter, and like even that too, the shuck
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: thing two percent. I'm not playing Tyler Shock when he's
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: gonna be the chalk cheap quarterback. What two percent? Three percent?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Like this is nuts? And then you get a fourteen
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: percent running back. I mean, you get to play both
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: those guys together. I love this lineup, And congrats to
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: be Moseley, I mean, congrats to second place gets one
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: hundred k two. But I'm just saying, like these types
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: of builds, it's what makes it work. How do you
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: play a chan at forty seven percent and get different
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: You play a two percent quarterback with a one percent
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: wide receiver and a seven percenter. That's more than enough
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: leverage already, But then you go with a bijon a
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: on a Mitchell flip, you get brock Bowers in there
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: at a low ten percent, and that allows you to
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: afford the cheap pairing at the bottom. So I mean,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: this is just going off of both lineups. You kind
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: of broke this one down. I really like this line
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: up here in second place. So yeah, and.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: This is the worst case scenario.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And I usually don't talk back too much, but I mean, Roth,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: you've been here a long time in the comments complaining
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: about stuff. If I didn't have the track record I have,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: which I don't really tout ever, then you'd be able
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: to say this. But I have plenty of credibility behind
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing in this game, so you can say
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: whatever you want. Were looking so smart after the fact.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I just showed my lineup that's a fact for me
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: yesterday and it did quite well. So lots of good
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: stuff there. Our man stat is in here says only
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: four correlated pieces on the Millie Maker. Could you get there,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: of course, but so much harder When building that way,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: second place made much more sense. And that's what Yeah,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I was just showing this off. I think again, when
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you're building out of a portfolio, I don't think you're
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: you know, not gonna get stuff like this.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Of like the this lineup up, like the Chef Frank version,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: seems to be more correlated and makes sense with it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Of like, again, it doesn't matter what makes sense, what wins,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: But just showing like the Stroud Collins Higgins, I'd be
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: more likely to build something like this, I think where
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see and then you've got the Bijon Pitts
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Mitchell as a way to attack that game. You've got
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Devon a Chan, You've got Brock Bauers, and you land
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: on the defense going against this undrafted free agent guy
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that you know ended up being like a forget to.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: That quarterback was a few years back, but it's the
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: guy that played the Chargers whatever think he played for Buffalo,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Nathan Peterman or whatever. Through like five picks in the
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: first half, it was just saying It's one of those things, right,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: So you know that one makes sense.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: But that's why I like this line up.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: This guy here, Pirez really sharp player as well, I
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: know it. Speaking of stat I know he's over at
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the One Week's Season community, another community that focuses a
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: lot on how to play the game and has success there.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: His lineup was a Tyrod Taylor, a don A Mitchell
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: with Bijon. This kind of goes to what Jerry Matt
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: was talking about earlier in AIDS, where you see him
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: sort of split it up that way secondary in Bowers
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Mconkey flip the build a little bit where if you're
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: going to play like a Seattle with Walker and use
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the salary up, why not play a fourth wide receiver?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: You get Davonte for a more balanced build as opposed
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to JSN who you're on Walker and the d already
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: or going to Puka and it lands you on Alec Pierce,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: who's interesting because he's opposite of Higgins, a little bit
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: more opposite of Nico Collins a little bit less. That
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: sort of allows you. So another really sharp build here.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I think, did you have anything to add on this one?
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I think these so like when we go
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to exposure and we look at Pirez to play thirteen teams,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: the guy in second or a girl and second played
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: one team, right. Jay Snide's had some really good rosters
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: played two teams, right, so we can look at those. Obviously,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: those are going to be a lot easier to review
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: from a process standpoint or reverse engineer, right, because it's
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: not part of a portfolio, whereas b Mosley had one
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bills, right, So this is just this
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: is just a product of his portfolio and his pool
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: that he created, and it's just the outcome and the
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: results overall, right, But there is obviously still throughout process.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: So I think reviewing the more handbuilt stuff like probably
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: a Perez is well with only thirteen teams. I'm sure
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: they used an optimizer to an extent, right to kind
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: of virtual handbuild. But these are a lot easier to review.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: And I really really like this lineup a ton the
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: second place and third place lineup. I talked about the
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Devonte Adams leveraging the Puka stuff, right and just going
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: a more balanced route, right, you're not playing I think
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: another thing too is most people that are playing a
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: spend down quarterback and a spend down receiver is kind
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: of a combo pack. There we're going up to either
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: get JSN or Puka. So now you did that to
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: go up at running back and get a guy like
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Bijon who most people, if they're going up at that position,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: are going eight hn right, So now that gives you
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: the ability to not punt at one of those five
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: k running backs in the flax. Now you can go
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: get a sixty three hundred dollars correlated wide receiver one
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: in that offense in a competitive game or what thought
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: to be competitive game at home overall there, So I
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: think that's another important piece in terms of roster construction
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: as well. When most people were spending down yesterday, they
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: were going up to get either Pukah or JSN or
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: even Trey McBride right at tight end, which I think
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Trey McBride is in the fifth place lineup, actually Jay
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Snyde's line up there, So again again attached to Tyrod
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Taylor right. So from a process standpoint, spending up at
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: a different position than where most people are doing it,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: but then you're also leveraging it with a guy like
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Davanta Adams when most are going up to a puka
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: in a build like this, I think is really really
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: sharp as well.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Roth, they're all good.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, you know, at the end of
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the day, it's not to be rude. I think these
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: are great people, and congrats to them. I'm happy for them,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: But for this show and for people watching it, it's
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it's not even that we really care about them as much.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Great people if I've met them, awesome. I'm always trying
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: to be friendly with everybody. I'm saying, it's more of
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: you know, we care about learning for us and taking
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: away what we can take away, and that's why it's
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: important to not always just look at That's why we
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: don't just always look at the winning lineup. We look
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: at a lot of other things, some of our sometimes
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: our own process. Sometimes it's others that we know are
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: amazing DFS players, because we want to learn from what
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: they did, where they landed. Some weeks we look at
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: sack seeker and how many people played whatever together. Some
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: weeks we look at exposures and things like that. But
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: it always is nice just to see where the winning
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: lineup landed. I want to see where my guy Notorious landed.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy, someone I do care about, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I just want to see what he put together with
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: his little run.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Here it looks like cam Ward naked cam Ward. So
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: there you go.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: That's, you know, interesting because it was really a situation
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I like yesterday was cam wore, but I talked about
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: on the Sunday Show. It got muddied up with the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Chig and Io Manner news where it's like, oh, it's
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: not going to be as good as we thought, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: this would be one way to go about playing it. Now,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing he's wishing at this point it was a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: different quarterback at that point because how much wash would
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: he get nineteen points? I don't want to make him
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: feel bad. I'm just curious he had the thirteen. Yeah,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: it's about thirteen points for the Millimaker win, but I
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: mean here nor there, or even if you put in
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: like what was a tyrod, where's he at? He got
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: twenty one point two eight at forty three and paired
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: with the Donna. Yeah, it's the way it works out.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: But this is just noting too. I want to go
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: back because stat said this, and I just agree, agree,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I get all that, and that's perfect. This is all
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: good stuff. I'm just saying some he said.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Some of the others are more difficult to land on
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: because it feels like you're just picking players.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I will note this is one thing for certain, and
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I can't talk about this enough, especially when it comes
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: to Showdown.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: But it's from my man hoop Man.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: He's brought this up forever, and I know you know
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: he's won the Millionmaker with a super overstack of a
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: game as well. But it's also the opposite of that too.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are ruling themselves out
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: of things, especially when some of these offenses this season,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and we've seen it a lot on Showdowns slates.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: They're just so spread out that.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are ruling themselves out
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: by forcing the old age three to one stack or
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Thing that's what you need.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It doesn't always require that, right, You don't always need that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: We see it here and like it where we're like, well,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: it works just fine on this one, but then you
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: see it here where it doesn't work, and that's results
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: right to what we're seeing.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just noting it of.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't need that and and optimized that you
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: just set it up. You don't put all that stuff in.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: A really good optimizer's something that that accounts for these
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: types of things like sabersim. That's a huge difference versus
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the optimizers where you do need to put all these
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: extra rules and enforce.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Them and things like that. So I think that's another
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: note for sure.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, another thing too. I think so Noto had just
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: one team in there. I'm assuming it was just his
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: main team that he played everywhere yesterday, And I think
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the reason and the interesting way that he did it
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: was he played three spend ups at their positions right,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: two spin up running backs and the ceiling guy of
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Tredye McBride, where there was only two hundred and ninety
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: one lineups out of one hundred and forty seven thousand
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: that did that right because most people were playing the
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: one bris Hall right, the spend downs with a chan,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: he's not doing that. He's doubling down and spending up
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: three positions, which then allows him to go get the
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: values as kind of one off to make make everything work.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: So I think that was a sharp move in a
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: field like this that he knows he's up against just
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: going and saying, hey, Beijon has a ceiling. Trey McBride
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: has a ceiling, and a chan has a ceiling, and
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: then I'm just gonna use these value plays to unlock
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: that ceiling and just say that that's Seattle defense. Right,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: is just what what I land on against QB that
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: they picked up off the streets. Right, that was a
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: walk on or like I mean a waiver sign. Right.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: He was like he didn't even start. He wasn't even
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: like anywhere to be found until their entire quarterback staff
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: got injured or had JJ McCarthy had a little fit
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: that he's not good at football and he set himself
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: on the bench.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: But I would say too, this is a tricky part
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: of some people when they're building. Is like, again, it
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: could I don't know if it was for him, but
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: some people spend forty nine seven to fifty. That wouldn't
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: work because this would have left six hundred dollars on
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the table. Also, I know for those handbuilding out there,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: those trying to find that angle of attack, there was
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: nowhere to go up at defense outside of the chargers.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: But you're already on boers the most not likely to
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: switch from this, And then what sometimes happens I'm not
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: saying it would. But then it's like, all right, let
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: me get the doll in here. Well, you know, I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: got more money to spend, but I wonder if I
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: can bring him down to Mechi and the sixteen hundred
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: gets me up to up to Puka, And then it's
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: a whole different build, right, And you've got Puka who
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: only got a much smaller number. You've got Mechi who busted.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: You do get a little bit more here, but it's
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: not probably the same fifty k finish.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And that's just a quick thing.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just off the top of my brain looking at it.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: That's that's how some people think when they're building, right.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: So it's just interesting to note sometimes you got to
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: take the good with the bad. I know, it's all
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: you were saying, two.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Is downd Was it only six hundred dollars because he
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: couldn't have got to shakiir right, fifty Shaki was fifty five.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: He would have had fifty four hundred if he went
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: down to VT.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: All right, yea, oh, I just think we're going off
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: of the back end of you know if And again
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Statt wasn't saying that he knows quite well I'm just
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: saying he's looking at it from like, if if this,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: then that I wanted to tie it into my optimizer
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: point because some people are setting it up for forty
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: nine to five or above, so one that couldn't even
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: have happened standalone. And then for those that are like, oh,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: it's just an optimizer.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Sure, but if you.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Did it by hand, even it's very likely that then
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, if I got that much money,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: what happens to I'm so close to Puka. Oh if
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I just take Pierce down to Mechi, there's my money,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and now I've got one hundred bucks left over, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I've got the secondary stack, I've got the three to
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: one with Tyrod, it still scores good. I'm just saying
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know the exact difference of Puka to Adams
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and Mechi obviously did not do well, so I mean
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that would note it, and then the difference in Vidal
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: he would pick up some, I think he would still
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: miss and he could have been down somewhere in this
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: lower end range. I don't know if we have a
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: quick probably not, because it's very likely anybody with Puoka
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: had a good day, But just trying to see it quickly.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: If it was there, it's not there, It doesn't matter. Yeah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: either way, good notes there. This was the point I
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: was making two code res about. You know, someone looks
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: like a random like optimizer with no rules run you
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: should be willing. Again, depends on your optimized There are
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: certain ones I wouldn't want to do that with, probably,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But if your optimizer, like sabersim is accounting for and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: there's not even a sales pitch, it's just a fact.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Saber score is accounting for the type of tournament you're in.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: It's using an algorithm to say, Okay, this is what
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the field's doing. Here's where we're gonna put your lineup
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: and play against it. And that sets you up with
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: what could be a better opportunity. So little things like that,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: if your inputs are good, you bring them across the
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: way you want to bring them, it will likely pair
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: up a bunch like the secondary sax stuff that we
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: saw right where you could have like the Mitchell with
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the Bijeon, or you could have the Vidal with the Bowers.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: You could have the good defense in there, et cetera,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: et cetera. But it may still give you something a
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: little bit more random.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: So the combination is in forty six. J Rock is
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: the exact basically what you were saying right there.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very very coped.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Puka was thirteen, yeah, Beadal twenty three, and then Metchi
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: only five. I mean this was like a five versus
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: a seventeen, a thirteen versus a twenty three. You pick
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: up like ten here it would have been a huge
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: loss versus the fifty k. And again I know that's
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: why we were just talking through it. But just little
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: things like that that you can note. I'm gonna go
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: to the the five fifty five million here in a
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: second ending really good player with boy Fanta Sin got
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: second place. Congrats to him on another big hit. I
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: know Shrek had a decent day. He's kind of probably
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: frustrated like myself on a few spots. He edged me
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: out for a thirty three thirty three mega ticket. I
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: saw that. But these are all the best players, you know.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: It's Hishbu, Shrek, Youdicao our Man, m Bellman. I'm gonna
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: talk about it in the second who couldn't make the
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: show today, but we were gonna talk about his lineup
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: for sure in a minute mclovin coach bk Ryder, like,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: it's the best of the best up here. So awesome
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: to see those guys real quick on this one. I
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: don't know if there's many comments to have. I mean
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: it were I mean, it was a twenty three point
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: six for Brissett, it was a twenty two point day
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: for McBride. McBride barely played until he did, like, barely
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: scored until he did.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: The points not like I talked about earlier, garbage point
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Garbage time points count the same no matter what.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: But that's a prime example these This is one thing
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I want you to have as a takeaway, whether you
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: know it's right, wrong or indifferent.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: On on what could be lower scoring slates or what
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: everyone calls harder slates, like you know, even Jerry Matts's
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with the Senate was the slate was
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: so random, how difficult it was, et cetera, et cetera.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's true, maybe it is true.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: But I'll leave this one up because it leads more
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: into this. But it's to what he just asked, You
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: just have to play your spots. And I think people
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: confuse that with like, oh, so you're saying I need
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: to m M me. We did say yesterday would be
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: a much better day to have more lineups, but it
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: just means in your three max maybe instead of having
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: two lineups really close and one different, you go three different.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: You could have played a Tyrod, Taylor, a Shuck and
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a Brissette. They all could have done good enough and
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: maybe one of them comes through. Like that's the case
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: where my setup was. So I think the key to
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: remember is that the McBride lineups did or they didn't.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: If they didn't come through, those lineups were dead and
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: hopefully something else you have when you even if you're
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: submitting one hundred and fifty lineups one and forty nine
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: won't win if you have the one that does win. So,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I mean there's so many different little things along the
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: way that you can apply and take away from that.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: But mine would be just remembering from that perspective, like
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: it's you're building your lineups for the what if if
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: they don't then, like I would say, though, there will
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: be lineups that go to the pasture, hoping that some
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: go to the promised land. That that's the difference in
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: those two so Andrews said, watching a playback just say
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: some sometimes the good plays are the good plays. Almost
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: every week, the good plays are the good plays. It's
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: just they know won't all be the good plays, and
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: they most certainly won't all be the good plays when
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: played together. That's why they invented cash games. And even
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: then those can be frustrating at times. This can be
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: frustrating at times as well. Shut up to our man.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Ryan says that going for Josh Allen was gonna work out. Well,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: he was only twelve percent in my single jury contest.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I would I wouldn't say.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: It's not not sneaky.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: It's just when you only have, when you're the only
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: spend up quarterback, that's gonna be the case. You have
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: to remember again, too, it's not about Josh Allen twelve percent,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: because like we always talk about, there's eighty eight percent
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: of the room that walked out when we said who's
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: on Josh Allen. But now start looking at the pairings
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: with Shakir and with Knox and with Gabe Davis and
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Coleman and all that, like nobody played really Davis or
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Coleman Shakier a little bit, but just noting that stuff,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: you could look at all of that so.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: What else do we got? What else do we got
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: anything else? Lower dollar tournaments, small things, let the sims
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: do the rest.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a nice way to do it, you know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: said a few small things and then let the sims
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: do the rest. Yeah, if you've got that, definitely agree there. Yeah,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: the garbage time, the garbage time discussion. He goes the
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: bogie free round. It's definitely that. It's like the points
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: count no matter what, I can't. I can't stress that
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: one enough. And then Stat says, tune in, lady, you
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: may have said this, but the key this week was
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the jon Ady Mitchell combo.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: We talked about ad Mitchell and his nickname on the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: show yesterday, and then he came through and got the
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: job done with Seattle d because of the very huge
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you had to have those Yeah, that's the product of
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: those slates. Why I always say, I like the slates
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that are more difficult or that are perceived that might
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: end up being a little bit lower scoring. And that's
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: what you saw in the five fifty five million maker Nate.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: So I'll let you take this.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: So it's going to be a similar lineup, but it's
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: not far off from what we saw earlier. Actually, it
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: might be almost identical to what the Perez lineup was
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: over over there, because it's the swap, right, it's the
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Tyrod Bijon Metchi Mitchell, It's the Kena Walker with the
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Seattle d it's the Bowers V Doll and plug In Pooka.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: This lineup, you know, did not do you know two
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: hundred and five points that you needed to take them
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the twenty dollars million maker.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: But that's typically the case in these five fifty.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Five million maker type tournaments, So I don't know, Nad's
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: this is a pretty standard build.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Tyrod at three.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: The elevens in this are kind of like whatever because
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: there's ninety percent of the field not playing them, and
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: then how many are playing them together, et cetera, et cetera.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: But anything to add on this one, it's just to
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: what status said. Here he is here, he is here,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: he is I think Bowers mattered quite a bit. I
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: think Bowers mattered because he got you TV doll in
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of these lineups too, so is little things
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: like that. But yeah, twelve percent, by the way, on
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Seattle's crazy for this. I thought it would have been
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: like twenty to thirty.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought. I mean, I'm kicking myself. I played
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of Seattle. I should have played more. I
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: just knew going in. I mean, Seattle's already been a
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: good defense. Now they're playing a guy that couldn't make
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: any teams and like basically walked in off the street
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: out of necessity, right, and everybody that was a way
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: to slice into Kenneth Walker. Right. People knew and wanted
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: to play Kenneth Walker, but playing him Kenneth Walker with
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: the Seattle defense. In this tournament, there was only five
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: percent of people that did that two hundred and seventy
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: three lineups, which still feels like a lot. But then
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: when you start adding in the additional pieces, that's where
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: obviously you leverage yourself. But overall, really really good builds here.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Most playing Pooka right, because you're playing the Kenneth Walker defense.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: So you're not playing JSN, you're not playing Trey McBride.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: You're going to another guy to unlock a ceiling or
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: potentially outbeat Trey McBride straight up. Let alone the two
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars savings that you're saving there, and then Mechi,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: you don't need a guy, you don't need everyone to
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: get there, right, as long as it's correlated to your quarterback,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it could be a Donni Mitchell, but you
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: look at the two of them, right, They scored thirty
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: two points for sixty for seventy seventy two dollars seventy
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: four hundred dollars. So they scored thirty some points as
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: a combo pack for seventy four hundred dollars. That's higher
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: than any other wide receiver or any other spend up
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: on the slate, including Bijon scored as a combo for cheaper.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, And the other thing too, is just
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: looking at it like the you know, the the setup
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: of like just a reminder again that you can't play
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: every you can't always play everything on the slate, Like
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: there's no Miami, New Orleans in this lineup, there's no
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Buffalo in this lineup, so it's like you can move round.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: But it's good.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: That's another really good talking point too, because when people
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: weren't playing HN, what was the most common way to
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: leverage the HN was going to Jalen Waddle, who picked
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: up a ton of steam at wide receiver in that
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: what seventy seven K range I think was what Watta's
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: price point? He was like seven seven something or upper sixes,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't he something like that? So that's another thing too,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: when you look at that when you're not playing hn
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: the most common thing for people to do was go
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: click jayalen Watle at sixty eight hundred dollars. Now you're
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: not doing that. Gives you the freedom to go all
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: the way up to a puka who obviously didn't get there.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: But it's just a process of the building in general
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: and the thought process about what you're kind of fading,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean that you also have to just
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: leverage it with a guy that's also commanding ownership. It'd
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: be different if we knew Watta was projecting to be
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: like three percent on compared to twenty percent on right,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: So you weren't even really getting different there.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: And also too, like I'm sure today Ending doesn't give
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: a shit that Pooko only got thirteen points because the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: million dollars still cashes in just nicely for him.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: So it's like one of those things where.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: When you build it, remember if they people say we
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: had on Adams there, he doesn't have to imagine because
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't have changed, it would have still won of
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: the same million dollars he won without him, and that
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: could have changed other factors within the build. So you
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: just got to run with it, hope to get the
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: most out of it. And that's kind of the setup here,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: and you didn't. It didn't matter that Puka got thirteen
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: or that match he got five or whatever that is
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: for this particular lineup. And this was interesting too. I
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: did see was it after the game yesterday? It was like, uh,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I saw this. Must have been
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: on red Zone they were showing it off. But like
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: McConnell goes over it says, you've been fun to watch.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: It's been fun to watch. It's like, yeah, it's unfortunate
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: you have to watch now because that's like Ryan says,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: now it's Donald and JSN just combo pack of that,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: those two guys going off together. So yeah, certainly something
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: when it comes down to it. I'm gonna look up
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: our guy, Matt Bellman. I'm gonna look at his lineup
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: in a second. I want to see my guy fantas
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Sin though his was a.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Chuck olave vlay.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: A Chan with Breis Hall, Davante Adams, Kyle pitts.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: This is interesting.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I like the bree saw Kyle Pitt's little combo pack
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: double tight end with brock Bauers Seattle Defense forty nine
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: to eight in that lineup. So yeah, solid, solid, bild.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: There not much that I've got to add on this one.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I think if you went with that stack as a
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: way to get different with Achan, who got even more
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: popular in this That was the thing too. Like again
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: when people say Hchan, first of all, the number one
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: thing we said to them yesterday on the show needs
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: you talk about watching it was do not complain that
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: even though this guy is negative leverage. And again it's
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: not like he crushed and broke the slate. He actually
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't even needed on the the optimal stuff or on
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: some of these winning lineups, but just noting it when
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: you're wondering if a guy's a good play. That's why
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: it's nice to have the stone. You could just see
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: the optimal rate right there, regardless of ownership. It looked
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: pretty good. We had talked about that, and then if
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: you go back here five percent, twelve percent, two percent,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: that immediately slices the fifty one down to not even matter.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: So you know, at that point you can kind of
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: just plug in some of these spots and say I'll
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: take what I get. If you got bresee Hall thirty four,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: no problem, let me play Pits fourteen again. People will
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: say what they want about fourteen. That's why you really
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: have to ignore when I talked about it earlier, the
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: shows that just go on and on and hammer the
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: stuff about the chalk and the chalk and the bad
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: chalk and all like it.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Matt. In the end, it matters.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But to the opposite point of what we always
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: talk about on the show, we're focused on the process.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: It's like it's it's all how you put it together
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: that we can't state it enough. If everyone's just talking
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: about who to play, who to play, who to play,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: and not how to play run it doesn't only like
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: that's why people that don't even know anything about NFL
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: are crushing NFL dfs and winning all the money.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: People. I can't swing a golf club for.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: The life of me, and I've won a ton of
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: money playing PGA dfs. I literally suck at golf. I
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: tells people are like, oh, you're getting a simulator in
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: ten BOHQ. No, I wouldn't even be able to swing
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a club on this thing. I play golf like twice
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: in the last five years. It's freezing cold up here
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: all the time. You got to play a lot, as
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: you know, Naids, to stay good at it. You like
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: to get out on the links. So it's the same thing.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: You just got to learn about playing the game. That's
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: what I focus on, That's what the people here are
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: focused on. Stick to it all right. This was our
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: man who couldn't be with us today, should be back
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: next week ready to roll. But we wish him the
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: best today and want to make sure we're still diving in.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: He had a close call with the milliemaker. He hit
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: me up and said the Mechi Drop TD was quite expensive.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: There was one, two Mechis in front of him and
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: he got one seventy eight. So yeah, that drop TD
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: would have been third place. I guess if it had
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: been the only thing. There's a butterfly effect, of course,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: But go ahead, Nads, I'll let you take.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: His lineup down.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: He's got a fore man with the ATL then he
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: got a Pooka Bowers Neil seattled to round it out.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is a really good bill that
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: basically takes a nine leg parlay and turns it into
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: a four leg parlay, which still isn't great, but it's
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: a lot better than nine individual pieces, right, having five
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: guys from one game, that's a way to play the
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: jets chalk differently, Right, how many people are adding them
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: all together? And if I went to stack secret, I'd
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: see it's very very little, just because I saw it
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: was very little. Just how many people played Tyrod Mechi
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: and a Donna Mitchell together, let alone Adam breze Hall
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: to that to slice into his thirty four percent ownership,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: which then unlocks the ceiling of a guy like Bijon
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: when you're not playing a Chan, you're playing Bijon for
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: two hundred dollars more expensive. There allows you to play
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: a ceiling right because you're going in on a cheap stack,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: a ceiling potential of a guy like Puka, and then
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: the spend up tight end right when most people are
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: living in that four k range Kyle Pitts in this tournament, Gadson,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Jiwan Johnson, Dalton Schultz, all of those guys are thirty
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: eight hundred to forty two hundred. You're you're going above
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: that to a guy that does have a ceiling, and
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: then you're just playing the Devn Neil opposite side of
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: the a Chan chalk when you're already up overspending over
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: going up to Bijon in the same rate a chan
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: realm going to Devon Neil on the other side of
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: that game, I think is very sharp. And then just
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: landing on Seattle defense against like I said, the quarterback
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: making his first start ever in then fell on the
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: road in Seattle, which has already been a good defense.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really good that you said that point,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: because I want to add that for sure if you didn't,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: was like the Bijon flip with Neil. It's like you
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: go to the opposite side of that game, and people like,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: how like this is what I always talking about When
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: people don't see it or they're like, I don't even
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: understand what Neil has to do with Bijeon. It's your
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: double leveraging because Bijeon was two hundred bucks more than
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: a Chan, so you're hoping it's him instead of a Chan.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: And if that's the case, what would be something that
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: would cause that doesn't mean you can't have both. I'm
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: just saying it is a thoughtful thing to say, Okay,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put Neil on the other side of that
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: game now, because that could be what ends up flipping
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: the build there.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: So you kind of combo it up. And then it's like,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: if I'm playing Bijeon, what would that do well?
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: That could speed the game up for all these other
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: guys who's really playing Bris and Bjeon together, let alone
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: all the pass catchers. It gets me one of the
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: best receiver plays on the slate, him or JSN. I
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: think Pooka was the one that stood out because most
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: were getting to do something different there. And then maybe
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Seattle defense makes it so they're doing all the hard
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: work and that gives shorter yardage or not as much
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: opportunity for a guy like JSN or things like that.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: So really this is just a process piece where when
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: you think about it, it's like a build that makes
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: a ton of sense.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: It just didn't get there, Like what else can you do?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I can go back home and say, damn, I could
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: have built this better or different. Besides being results oriented
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: on paper, I really liked the build. It just didn't
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: fully work out. Neil started super slow MATCHI like you said,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: the drop touchdown bres Hall didn't have the full set
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: up there with only fifteen point six. It was good
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: but not great. So great bill by our guy, mister
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: m Bellman with another good run, another profitable Sunday, but
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: no no million maker takedown yet for this one right here.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: So anything else you got to add their names or
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: any us.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Just like stack seekers. So sixteen seven and eighty five
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: lineups played h H and breeshall together, whereas one hundred
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: and thirty nine lineups played Breshall with Bijon is just
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: a simple flip right for two hundred dollars more, I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: think is very very trusting there. And then he's also
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Devin Neil is also three hundred dollars cheaper than Kenneth Walker,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: right who most people are playing. If you look at
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker and Priest Hall, four hundred and nine lineups
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: played those guys together, let alone, almost all of those
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: that played those two unlocked the ceiling of h HN
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: up at the top. So then when you drop that
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: down to guy like Bijon, you're looking at sixteen lineups.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Obviously that's not what he did here. He didn't play
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: all three of them together, but that's how Devin Neil
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: also leverages Kenneth Walker in the flex who also could
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: be there with Kenneth Walker what scored ten points? I think,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: so they basically were washed for each other and it
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: would have been a lot more ownership overall for the roster.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: You want to tilt them for the Millie, Oh boy,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: put in put in Vlay for thirty five hundred right
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: here instead of Mechian instead of Neil, and it gives
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: you the three hundred to play Walker with the Seattle dye.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I think that one's pretty much the same. But what
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: did VLA score twenty three point three over Mechi's five?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you would have had.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: The Millie right there right if you just swap Neil
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: up three hundred bucks and see what that does for
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: your lineup, maybe you say, oh, I'll drop Mechi down
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: then and just play Vlay instead of Kneel, same game,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: same type of setup, and run it from there. But again,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: that's the funny part of it all. It's not making
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: fun of or making light of it. It's making sense
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: of the process. And I wouldn't have seen that or
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: done it either, And now you can see it after
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: the fact. That's always the part where you realize how
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: close you really could have been and how you were
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: thinking about it and could have still went his way,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: like say mechi alone get it. Catching that touchdown would
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: have been a third place up there, and then beyond
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: that anything else could have happened. So congrats to our
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: guy Bellman. I like this comment. Other sites might not
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: bring this stuff up because they think it's like part
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: of their business or whatever, but this.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Is literally the best.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: This is like the epitomy of what we wanted when
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: we started shipping nation. If you're using core plays anywhere
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: and just using those, does it make your life easier? Yeah,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: you don't have to think as much. You could just
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: go plug them in, but it really doesn't help you
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: build your own process or make it repeatable. It's meant
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: to be the reason we offer them is because there
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: is people that say, hey, look, I'm working a full
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: time job, I'm not available twenty four to seven. I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: still want to get a little sweat on. Let me
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: trust people that are putting their hard earned dollars behind
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: their options and reading the stone and putting it all together.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: If you read my slate plan on the site and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: then check out my core. It's all stuff you would
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: find in the slate plan or sorry, on the stone.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: I'm just moving it over to make it more digestible
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: for somebody and faster. But I love this when he
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: says I used to only look at Hoop Tambo title
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: scores and build lineups off of that. Not to sound bad,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think he means not to hurt our feelings.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: But I don't even look at them anymore.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Much more fun having your own process and shipping a
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: mastermind to help you find that and just using the tools.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: So awesome for Andrew. Love to hear that that is
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: really what we always Yeah, man, Kyle's has love to hear.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: That's what everybody here is kind of doing. Last one,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I guess came up Ryan brought this, Well you we'll
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: hit this, then we'll get out of her nades. But
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: just brought up with with the brock Bowers thing. I
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: liked him just because a couple of things. One fifty
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: eight hundred bucks for rock Bauers is a pretty good
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: spot if you were already in on that game, and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: the fact that you were if you weren't on McBride.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Again, my McBride lineups were tied to Brissett.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: So in my none spots like that, and I'm going
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: to spend up on the Bijon's and the eight Chans
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: of the World and the wide receivers. I'm probably looking
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: for something down below. It's if you really didn't like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: the cheaper guys. And then the other thing. I think
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: you talk about this a ton as but flip side
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: of Gadson who steamed up, and it's like the opposite
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: side in the same game for a guy that you
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: just see, you have a way higher ceiling in reality.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: And that catch he made was incredible as well. There
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: was a ton of good catches yesterday between Hookah Bowers
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: and then Treylon Burks the little OBJ at the end
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: of the game last night. But your thoughts on Bowers yesterday, Yeah.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Not only that, Ashton Gentry Gatson was a lot more
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: popular than Bauer's Commani vidall same exact game, right, So
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's the other aspect too, Right, when people
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: were going to the Raiders, right, they were more so
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: going to Ashton Gentry more than brock Powers because they
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: wanted those cheaper tight ends for the four K range
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: tight ends, right, instead of the fifty eight hundred dollars
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: tight end, and then they were using a guy like
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Ashton Gentry at that sixty hundred dollars price points. So
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I think it's a double flip flop in the exact
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: same game, right with higher ceilings in my opinion.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then not the best results from a couple
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: to one huge game. And now this game was pretty
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: solid as well and got the job done and yesterday's slate.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: But like our guy Kyle says, it's not you know,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: what he's done all year doesn't matter as much, just
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: one game that we're clicking on him for.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: It's you can make a lot.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: More money in dfs and spots like this as well,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: particularly in other sports, I think in baseball and in
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: golf and in NBA and stuff like that where you
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: can really see somebody pop. Now NBA more projection driven,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: but like baseball golf, we use better a long term talent.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: It's that's the one that always hits you in the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: rear view and it's results oriented. But it's like, damn,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: I should have been on the just because they're on
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: a slump right now, why not play them to bust
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: out of the slump. They still can hit two home
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: runs or like the same thing for golfers. It's like
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: a really good golfer gets priced down, but people like,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not touching out with a ten foot poll. I've
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: got new, shiny, new toy guy that's a little bit
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: more money and he's been on a hot streak. Let
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: me ride him.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I get it. But it's like when you when you.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Have the other guy, you're going to get the lower ownership,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: and that's where you want to take it on. In
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: this case, if you thought he was expensive for what
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: his results had been, you'd be paying up for the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: probability he's not super high owned, but he's capable of
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: that kind of game. And then if not, you look
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: at it from the other perspective, you thought he was
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: too cheap, and not as many people are moving to him.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Again in the in the bigger tournament like this five
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: fifty five sharper Field, he was a little bit more
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: at fourteen.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Point four, but he was lower in some of the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: other places.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Right, he was in the twenty dollars million maker, where
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: most guys in that range, especially I mean Shakier was
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: the big one, twenty one percent owned at for three
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars lest so the people that use Bowers in
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: the flex instead of Shakir. That afternoon window I think
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: is very very sharp as well.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, love to see that.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: I thought this is a good one, breaking it all down,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: just going through everything. Hopefully that helps some people. Again,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: if you want to get in at ship at Nation
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: to get the stone, we talked a ton extensively about it.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: There's no cheaper way to find out. I mean you
• 1:07:15
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• 1:07:17
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• 1:07:19
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• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Check it all out.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: You'll get tonight stuff for the Monday night football showdown slate,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: and then right through Thursday night football and all that.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: But for the weekend. The best way to get in
• 1:07:29
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• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: If you want to do it that way, you can
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: do one nineteen without Sabersim or one sixty seven with Sabersim.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get all the rest of the regular season,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: the entire playoffs, all the short slates on weekends, et cetera.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: And then on top of it, you get the Super Bowl.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: And then if you just want to try it a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: month and get in the ship at games and check
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: us out for one month. Forty nine or sixty nine
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: with Sabersim definitely the best way to do it and
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: to check everything out Nate's I appreciate you man.
• 1:07:56
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