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Gordie Chiesa Hour on the NBA Playoffs, Will there be a game 7 in WCF (?), Knicks back in the Finals + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest. I'll make Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than.
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  Speaker 1: Any of us will ever know. Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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  Speaker 1: the day. Our list today, here's o C.
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  Speaker 2: With basketball sabb on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show. Welcome in our
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  Speaker 3: resident NBA guru and my good friend Gordy Chiasa, who's
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  Speaker 3: here with us in studio today.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, how are you? I am doing fine? Thank you, Gordy.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're rocking? Are you?
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  Speaker 3: Are you? Are you a closet ABS fan? You're rocking
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  Speaker 3: the Colorado shirt today?
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  Speaker 4: Unfortunately I am. They lost four zero in his sweep,
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  Speaker 4: so that is a concern. But I do like the Avalanche.
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  Speaker 4: I do actually like hockey general, including also the obviously
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  Speaker 4: months yet to day. I know a lot of crazy
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  Speaker 4: Canadians showing and so the last time a Canadian team
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  Speaker 4: won the Stanley Cup was nineteen ninety three. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 4: how crazy it is. Crazy ninety three.
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  Speaker 3: It's a wild thing to think that the national sport
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  Speaker 3: of Canada, none of their professional franchises have been able
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  Speaker 3: to hoist the cup. Of course, a lot of Canadians
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  Speaker 3: populate the American franchises that have had success right in
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  Speaker 3: those years. But yeah, until we have to defend the
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  Speaker 3: gold medal, Canada is now America or excuse me, hockey
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  Speaker 3: is now America sport because we're the gold medalist right now,
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  Speaker 3: Yes we are till the next Olympic.
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  Speaker 4: Now was exciting and also just as exciting Searan Olympics
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  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty eight in la which is going to
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  Speaker 4: be fantastic for every sport.
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  Speaker 1: To say the least is possibly.
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  Speaker 4: That gold medal game between USA versus France. So Victor
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  Speaker 4: went Byamba and the fella. Remember the last time was
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  Speaker 4: the reference point. It took it every ounce of Steph curR.
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  Speaker 4: He's brilliant where he went unconsciously those three point shots
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  Speaker 4: that held off the French rally. And that's how close
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  Speaker 4: it is right now with the French team and also
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  Speaker 4: with the USA and obviously French team. We're alluding to
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  Speaker 4: right now talking about Victor wen Biamba, who's a generational talent.
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  Speaker 3: Victor webbin Yama the other night took as close to
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  Speaker 3: a heel turn as we've seen since he threw the
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  Speaker 3: elbow right miss skip. The media allegedly may or may
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  Speaker 3: not have whispered a little hey, go get that guy
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  Speaker 3: command to his His teammates Bismack Biambo and Mason Plummey
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  Speaker 3: both went out on the floor and through some hard fouls.
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  Speaker 3: After a brief conversation with Victor wembin Yama, and of
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  Speaker 3: course I like to be conspiratorial. I enjoy yesh, I
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  Speaker 3: enjoy like the oh, did Victor just order the hit?
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  Speaker 3: When you saw how that scenario played out, what were
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  Speaker 3: your thoughts?
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  Speaker 4: Same thing also is that you need somebody on your
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  Speaker 4: team either at that moment to back you up by
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  Speaker 4: taking a hard message foul during the game, or maybe
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  Speaker 4: some of your teammates who come in the game that
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  Speaker 4: they're more physical and they also commit again smart fouls
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  Speaker 4: that are hard. But it's a basketball play, meaning why
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  Speaker 4: make you make a play on the ball, And that's
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  Speaker 4: an interpretation of it.
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  Speaker 1: You got to protect your your star players.
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  Speaker 4: And yesteryear in playoff basketball, it was incredible how there
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  Speaker 4: were so many fouls So for example, the Knickerbockers, they
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  Speaker 4: had a cast of characters, say the least Charles Oakley
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  Speaker 4: would commit hard, smart fouls, so with Anthony Mason, and
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  Speaker 4: for the Portland Trailblazers it would be Buck Williams committing
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  Speaker 4: a lot of smart fouls. And then Jazz basketball. He
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  Speaker 4: did it for himself. Was Carl Malone was that he
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  Speaker 4: used to tell me in playoff games, before they hit
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  Speaker 4: me and take my head off, I'm gonna take and
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  Speaker 4: hit them first. And so Carl was his own enforcer.
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  Speaker 4: And that was absolute critical. So again I'm not saying
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  Speaker 4: playing dirty. I'm not saying that. All I'm saying, within
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  Speaker 4: the context of the rules, you've got to be able
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  Speaker 4: to protect your star teammate, especially like Wen Beyond. He's
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  Speaker 4: way beyond just a star player. He's a generational talent.
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  Speaker 4: He's a franchise difference maker. He makes everyone around him
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  Speaker 4: in the San Antonio's building, Sean, including those nuns that
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  Speaker 4: are lobbying for more tickets. Sean, do not mess with
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  Speaker 4: the nuns.
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  Speaker 1: Don't mess with the nuns. Do not. I was not
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  Speaker 1: educated by nuns the way that Gordy. Oh why absolutely, Sean.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have so many stories.
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  Speaker 4: You see these old movies back in nineteen sixty, seventy,
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  Speaker 4: eighties and nineties.
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  Speaker 1: It's all true plus more, all true plus more. With
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  Speaker 1: the nuns. Do not mess with them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was not educated by private school nuns like Gordy,
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  Speaker 3: but I did work with nuns in my young adulthood
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  Speaker 3: when I was doing some volunteer stuff in Africa, and
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  Speaker 3: they are it's a special group of people.
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  Speaker 1: They don't mess around. They don't mess around. So Sewan.
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  Speaker 4: One times at a giant football game, Sean, this is
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  Speaker 4: a scenario. I was sitting behind nuns, ready at the
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  Speaker 4: giant football game with my young children at that time. Ready,
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  Speaker 4: this is the game, Sewan. It never happened forever where
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  Speaker 4: the Minnesota vis In this game, Sewan, there was a touchdown,
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  Speaker 4: a rushing touchdown, a passing touchdown, a putt return touchdown,
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  Speaker 4: a kickoff return touchdown, a fumble return, and overtime touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: And these crazy Giant fans were screaming at the Vikings
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  Speaker 4: who are making these plays where the Giants are winning
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  Speaker 4: the game. The vite showing everything could happen. A touch
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  Speaker 4: down happened, and behind me was these nuns. So every
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  Speaker 4: time the crazy Giant fans would start saying very bad
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  Speaker 4: words against the goal, against the against the Giant, if
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Sean, they blessed themselves and say, sister,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for my language, Sean. Right behind me with
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  Speaker 4: my young two boys, I was explaining to them, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: they really don't mean what they're saying.
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  Speaker 1: These people. You know what I mean, Sean.
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  Speaker 4: Look it up, Sean, the top Viking Giant football game, Sean,
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  Speaker 4: from a recovery, black punt recovery. So my doing justice.
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  Speaker 4: Everything could happen that happened negative against the Giants. They all,
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  Speaker 4: they all happen to this game overtime vikings.
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  Speaker 3: One that was once walking down a busy urban street
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  Speaker 3: with sister Maria Mazzone.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I love these names, right, so true from Ruvo
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  Speaker 1: Depulia in the Old Country, Italy.
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  Speaker 3: All right, yeah, uh, and we're walking in a pretty
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  Speaker 3: tough part of town. We're going to buy some construction supplies. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we're walking in a pretty tough part of town. And
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  Speaker 3: there's all these street vendors. They have their wares laid
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  Speaker 3: out on the on the sidewalks and on the street,
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  Speaker 3: right and it's a it's a dicey type of type
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  Speaker 3: of area in town. But respect given to the people
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  Speaker 3: who are of the cloth, right, So a lot of
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  Speaker 3: folks deferential towards system.
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  Speaker 1: Maria.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there was there's a certain couple of guys on
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  Speaker 3: this street that they were selling bootleg DVDs, right, and
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  Speaker 3: not all their bootleg DVDs were exactly family friendly entertainment,
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  Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. Yes, and they've got
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  Speaker 3: all their stuff laid out on the sidewalk, and Gordy,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not exaggerating at all. When this five
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  Speaker 3: foot four inch, tiny little Italian lady just went through
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  Speaker 3: their their display, saw the kind of stuff and kicked
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  Speaker 3: it all over the sidewalk.
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  Speaker 1: Shame on you, shame terrible. This is a shame and
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  Speaker 1: kicked it all over the sidewalk. And they were just like, oh, sister, no,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: But not a not a single word, like, not an
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  Speaker 3: angry word from them, or like oh please don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody else does something like that, it's gonna be a problem.
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  Speaker 3: There's gonna be violence, Sister Maria. She goes kicking and
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  Speaker 3: walking and stomping and shames them all and they're just like,
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  Speaker 3: oh sorry, sister, please, sister.
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  Speaker 1: We're just trying to make a living.
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  Speaker 3: They nuns, they have a special special place in not
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  Speaker 3: only my heart, but in society in general very much.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 4: Show we're alluding to right now for the listeners is
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  Speaker 4: that the Senator Tony Spurs had these four nuns that
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  Speaker 4: were cheering for the Spurs and they're in they're wearing
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  Speaker 4: a Spurs like jerseys and stuff and uh clothing with
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  Speaker 4: the over over the habit and the Spurs.
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  Speaker 1: You can't make this out. So it's perfect television.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is something that every TV
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  Speaker 4: producer dreams about, where it's natural, it's not like stage.
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  Speaker 4: And so the nuns were cheering, you know, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: And the Spurs gave the nuns now four more tickets
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  Speaker 4: for the rectory for the for the nunnery. And so
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  Speaker 4: now that he should be eight nuns, I'm not sort
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  Speaker 4: of sitting together. But they're gonna cheer for the for
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  Speaker 4: the the Spurs, and it's it's made for television, no
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  Speaker 4: doubt about it. Now, besides the nuns, they're praying for
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  Speaker 4: the Spurs, the Spurs. Also getting back to true basketball,
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  Speaker 4: is that they got to protect real Victor wen Beyonmba,
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  Speaker 4: but Victor also has to do a better job of
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  Speaker 4: trying to get free, so Sewan. The defense of the
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  Speaker 4: Thunder is physical, led by Isaiah Hartenstein. So his Hartenstein,
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  Speaker 4: who's again he has slowed down Victor wen Beymba, not
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  Speaker 4: outplayed him, just slowed him down. So in game one,
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  Speaker 4: Hartenstein plays twelve minutes, and game two he plays twenty seven,
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  Speaker 4: and Game three plays twenty one, and game four he
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  Speaker 4: plays eighteen. And now in game five he scores. He
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  Speaker 4: plays pummey thirty one minutes. So in this series he's
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  Speaker 4: averaging eight point two points per game, but no nine
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  Speaker 4: rebounds in only twenty one point eight minutes. And he
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  Speaker 4: has that Sean. He has that funky ten foot push
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  Speaker 4: shot very similar to Yaka Pertl former Utah player that
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  Speaker 4: plays for the Raptors, and when Beyonmber is slow to
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  Speaker 4: react to it, so he's making this shot that's unorthodox.
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  Speaker 4: But it goes in his last point about Victor ren
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  Speaker 4: Beymber versus Isaiah Hartenstein is that last game in game five,
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  Speaker 4: which is a huge concern, Victory ren Beyonder had his
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  Speaker 4: low his lowest point total in the paint all season,
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  Speaker 4: not the playoffs, the other all the other games regular
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  Speaker 4: season at least got eight points in the paint.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you get free? With Victor?
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  Speaker 4: If I was counseling him, I would do this, is
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  Speaker 4: that I'd be a screener. Instead of starting high showing
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  Speaker 4: above the foul line area, I would start all the
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  Speaker 4: time low and get a running start. I backscreen for
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  Speaker 4: some teammate to get to make the player guarding me
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  Speaker 4: heart and have to make us a pause. Do I
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  Speaker 4: switch out or do I stay in my body? And
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  Speaker 4: the second part of that we we call this a
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  Speaker 4: double whamby screen. Was when ice showing ice screened for
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  Speaker 4: you to get myself free as a screener, but then
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  Speaker 4: James Peterson screens for the guy who's still on my
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  Speaker 4: body whether they switched or not. So we call a
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  Speaker 4: w whamby screen to now make a clean catch above
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  Speaker 4: the foul line extended, so I could be in operational
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  Speaker 4: mode versus what trying to slug it out all the
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  Speaker 4: time because a mono, a moto numbers on numbers, bodies
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  Speaker 4: on bodies showing bone on bone, it's not working right now,
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  Speaker 4: So screen to get yourself free.
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  Speaker 3: The disappearance postgame, not doing the media for Victor Wembinyama.
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  Speaker 3: Guys have been fine for this. He was given a warning.
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  Speaker 3: We saw this in the NHL Playoffs, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: when the Vegas Golden Knights just shirked their media responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, Victor Winminyam is a guy that, for
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  Speaker 3: better or words, the media wants to talk to you
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  Speaker 3: every single game of your career.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of him not being available?
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  Speaker 4: Young person age twenty two, He's absolutely frustrated. He didn't
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  Speaker 4: play well, he had a temporary amnesia and the NBM
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  Speaker 4: show they gave him a warning. It might have been
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  Speaker 4: a fine behind closed doors. It's a chump change, to
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  Speaker 4: say the least, and he'll be ready for it next time.
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  Speaker 4: So you can't do that. I remember a long long
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  Speaker 4: time ago. Is that call it very similar to call
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  Speaker 4: him alone? Is that sometimes he didn't want to talk
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  Speaker 4: to the media. One time he did in the national
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  Speaker 4: television game on NBC Sports. The NBA find him did
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  Speaker 4: She has paid the fine as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 4: which again it's a small change to say the least.
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  Speaker 1: Call learned from that. The rest is history.
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  Speaker 4: But Sean, he's no definitely great Popovich when he had
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  Speaker 4: the sideline stuff on the sideline during the game, when
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  Speaker 4: the reporter actually really a quick question, he gave what
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  Speaker 4: a one word comment, Yeah, suan one word.
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  Speaker 3: Never was a fan of that from Popovich, from Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 3: For players, it's a little bit more understandable, right. For coaches,
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  Speaker 3: your whole job is that, right, Your whole job is
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  Speaker 3: being the face, being the mouthpiece, being the voice. In
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  Speaker 3: a lot of ways, players, I get it, You're not
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  Speaker 3: all of them are exactly well smoking, Not all of
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  Speaker 3: them are eloquent, Not all of them are quick on their.
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  Speaker 1: Feet with the with the speech.
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  Speaker 3: So it could be intimidating, it could be discouraging, it
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  Speaker 3: could be just annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Coaches though, like your job is to talk. You're a teacher,
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  Speaker 1: you got it, Like you have to.
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  Speaker 3: You have to earn your part of the contract, or
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  Speaker 3: you're that piece of your contract by at least giving
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  Speaker 3: some few words to the media.
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  Speaker 4: Also, by the way, economics of it, the TV partners
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  Speaker 4: want to hear what's going inside. I'm not saying give
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  Speaker 4: you most most secrets about strategy. I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 4: But if you pay billions of dollars you have the
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  Speaker 4: right to ask the coaches to give an answer to
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  Speaker 4: a question. And by the way, it's only about the most.
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  Speaker 4: Evid's about a minute and twenty seconds. That's like the most.
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  Speaker 4: And it's all part of a digital world we live in.
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  Speaker 4: This is all part of it.
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  Speaker 1: This is it.
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  Speaker 4: There's no turning back. So you got to be able
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  Speaker 4: to do it. And if you're gonna do it, guess
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  Speaker 4: what do it well?
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  Speaker 1: Do it well?
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  Speaker 4: If you're gonna do it, think about what you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: say for that minute and twenty seconds and articulate it
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  Speaker 4: to showcase one your own abilia as a coach. To
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  Speaker 4: be able to talk under fire, Sean, see so much
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  Speaker 4: is how you communicate in the huddle with your team,
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  Speaker 4: with the referees during the game, now with the media
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  Speaker 4: excuse me, with the audience that's watching it, and the
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  Speaker 4: TV partners, and by the way, under pressure skills, which
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  Speaker 4: separates so many coaches and leaders. As far as how
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  Speaker 4: do you react when things aren't going well? Sean during
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  Speaker 4: a coluss of a game, that's the question as always
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  Speaker 4: some fail, some miserably. What we group themselves and what
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  Speaker 4: go forward?
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  Speaker 1: Quickly?
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  Speaker 3: We got a lot to talk about with Gordia Chiay's
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  Speaker 3: a more basketball action to come in the Western Conference Final.
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  Speaker 3: The Eastern Conference Final has already been solved with the
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  Speaker 3: New York Knicks advancing. We've got Gordy for another forty
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  Speaker 1: An welcome back to the Sea O'Connor Show.
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  Speaker 3: We've still got Gordy Chiaza in with us for another
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  Speaker 3: thirty plus minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Lots to get to.
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  Speaker 3: We've got some actual playoff basketball still, but the offseason
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: storylines are ramping up free agency right now. Who is
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Who's the first domino to fall? You think in this
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  Speaker 3: it's not a superstar studded free agency, but there are
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  Speaker 3: some very relevant, important players that are out on the
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  Speaker 3: market so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to be the first domino to fall?
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  Speaker 4: Austin Reeves? Yeah, Lakers because it involves Lebron. As far
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  Speaker 4: as that situation, Austin Reeves is a tremendous player. This
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  Speaker 4: year year he made the next season, pardon me, the
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  Speaker 4: twenty six to twenty seventh season, he makes fourteen point
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  Speaker 4: nine million, So he's dramatically overpaid in the context of
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  Speaker 4: the NBA. So now he'll op out of his contract,
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  Speaker 4: become unrestricted, and now what does he worked towards the Lakers?
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  Speaker 4: Knowing that Luca Dantes is a star player, Lebron James
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  Speaker 4: God bless him, aged forty two on December thirtieth, So
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: they've got to pay Austin Reeves, who averages roughly twenty
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  Speaker 4: five points a game. You know the stats already thirty
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  Speaker 4: nine from threes. He's got hops to his game. He
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  Speaker 4: plays hard defensively. You get to see he has the
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  Speaker 4: spirit about himself. He'll probably get five years shown at
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  Speaker 4: two hundred million dollars total. So that's the first Domino.
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  Speaker 4: The next Domino could be vastly underrated. He plays for
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  Speaker 4: the t Wolves, and the t Wolves head back to
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  Speaker 4: back years in the Conference finals. This year they fell short.
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  Speaker 4: They're aging they have, but they have a star player
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  Speaker 4: in Anthony Edwards. They made that wonderful trade to get
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Io Desumo. He's he's unrestricted free agent, so you've got
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to pay him. Because remember last year they let the
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Kelwalk Alexander go to the Atlanta Hawks, didn't pay him.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: He became what the most improved player in the NBA.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: So he's gonna get played Jazz basketball. Walker Kessler, all right,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: what are you doing Jazz basketball? That's a huge question,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: and it's gonna piggyback as far as who the Jazz draft.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Also somewhat if they do take Camboozer at two, just hypothetically,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: just for the narrative, because now you have Larry Marketing.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Remember now the Jazz salary right now is that Jaron
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Jackson makes forty nine point one million dollars and the
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: second paid is Larry Walkin at forty six point eight million,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: and showing the third player paid right now as you speak,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: right now is Ace Bailey A Spelly. That's it, so
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: contract you got that right, Sean. So Walker Kessl's part
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: of this equation right now. Hey, he's homegrown. He only
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: played last year of five games. This is fourth year.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: He's a good player. He wants to be in Utah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: He's got some showing he has somewhat leverage, somewhat sure,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: but now with Jaron Jackson being there, that leverage has
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: slightly degressed slightly using my worries careful here slightly so
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: again Yaka Perle from a Utah player utes makes twenty
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: eight point five million dollars on average. I think that
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Walker kess is a better player, I think. And also
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: he's homegrown by the jass meaning while they draft him.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Sean, so would you spend more or less than thirty
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: million a year on average value for a Walker Kessler
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: because that that's comparable to that Yaka Pertl number that
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: you just mentioned. It's a little bit better, right, And
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: you mentioned he does have a certain amount of leverage,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: and I would think, I actually believe that his leverage
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: is pretty healthy because everyone's been waiting and holding their
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: breath for this team to be ready, and it feels
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: like with him in the lineup, this team is a
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: lot more ready than if you're trying to then say,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: oh crap, now we still have to get a true center,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: big man. Yes, you have size with Jared Jackson Junior
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: and with lowry marketing, but it feels like Walker Kessler is,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: at least in the average fans viewpoint, he's a big
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: piece of what they're they're gonna be putting out on
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: the floor next year, so they're not gonna let him go, agreed.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: So what's he worth roughly in this marketplace? And again
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the Jazz he's restricted, so Jess will wait, there's sewing
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: bids on him, and if you have forty eight hours
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: to match, that'll be in July, so it's after the draft.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: So that he's probably worth per year thirty one to
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: thirty three million. Wow, yeah, times four years, all five?
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I would go four and in Reseconds's young guy, he's
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: only twenty four years old, and that he's a good player.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: He's gotten better each year. He's homegrown.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: He just drafted him and he developed him and he's
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: ready to have a bust that year. He played well
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: for the first five games last year that he went
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: down with the torn laborer, and so he he's a factor.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Now there's so many less teams that can afford him.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Like one team has the most money, showing, but you
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: don't want to go there. I like to visit there,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: showing because it's my home state, but I don't want
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: to play. Excuse me, it's the Brooklyn Nets form New Jerseyeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: So he had the most money in the off season
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: right now, so we'll see how it plays out. Denver Nuggets,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Jazz Division, good team fell short. We all love Nikolai Jokic,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: all right. Peyton Watson got hurt and of the season.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: It set them back the Nuggets right now, all right,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: So he's restricted. They're gonna wait the own bid on him,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: but they've got to resign him. Their problem with their
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: problem right now with the Denver Nuggets is that it
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: didn't work with Cam Johnson on his contract one year left.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: He makes next year twenty three million dollars and then
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Christian Brown, Sean, don't you love America? Sean, you love America.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: It's the lend of opportunity, Christian Brown. He's signed that
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: contract five years, one hundred and twenty five million.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yikes. You like him, but not at thousand numbers you see.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: So again, yet's so.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Important that you get the majority of contracts correctly. Just
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: a few more guys will we talk about and this
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: will be ongoing in the next few weeks. All right,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Lebron James, Okay, you love him. He played well for
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the Lakers, but you can't pay him.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: You cannot pay him for what he thinks he's worth.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Where he's worth anything I get he's worth every penny possibly,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: but not for the Lakers right now, so mid level exceptions.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Fifteen million dollars next year. He's not gonna accept that.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: But who's gonna pay him? That's the question. And who
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: might maybe Sean, maybe the Warriors one last hurrah with
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: pay cut though the dramatic pay cut.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Well, my pie in the sky dream for Lebron James
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: is that in order to further cement his legacy, in
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: order to like he's I think for most people, the
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: book is written that it's gonna be Michael Jordan number one,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Lebron James number two.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's a one A one B situation.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Obviously, there are folks more from your generation of basketball
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: who will tell you that Wilt Chamberlain doesn't get mentioned
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: the way he should in those conversations.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: But Sean or Kareem Abduccha, Yeah, I mean there's it's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: it's always apples to oranges and those.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: While I enjoy those debates for summertime radio, it's not
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: really pertinent. But for Lebron James, my pie and the
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Sky dream is because he is truly great, right, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I think that he's the type of guy that still
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: has a lot to give to the game, not only
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: with his stats, but if you set Lebron down and
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: he's accepted a role in your locker room that, Hey, Lebron,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: we need you to teach these young guys your habits,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: your body recovery, your film study. We want you to
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: teach some of these young guys your habits. You're a
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: player coach of sorts. You're the Robert Parrish on this
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: particular team. If he'd be willing to accept something like that,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: and he'd be willing to go to a place that
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: has never won a championship but has a really good roster.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Right there's six seven teams in the league that haven't
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: won the championships. There's three or four of them that
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: have a pretty healthy roster. The Utah Jazz is one
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: of them. I don't think he's coming to Salt Lake City,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: but I would love to see Lebron James say, I
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: got like one or two years left here, I'm gonna
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: go play for the Minnesota Timberwolves at a discount and
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: see if I can get that team over the hump.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: That would I.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Think add a significant boost to his legacy if he
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: helped be the catalyst for a team that had never
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: won a championship before.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Well add today. But this team also is that he
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: goes there. He has to enjoy playing with his teammates,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: so most times would be someone that he's familiar with.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: So it's gonna be interesting. He's fascinating how it all
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: plays out, and it won't play out the first week
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: of free agency, which is July first, It's gonna play
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: out after that. So that's he's another player that he
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: plays right now in the NBA Finals. Mitchell Robinson off
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: the bench.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I was about to ask you about Mitchell Robinson and
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Landry Shammon. Both of those guys have decisions to make
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: absolutely very much. And Mitchell Robinson on most teams, would
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: start on most teams. But a nikabok is the way
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: they're struction Consny Towns, who's played very well the last
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: year or so. He's matured as far as his thinking.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And to Mitchell Robinson's the backup. When he gets in
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the game, he outplays almost all the backup centers and
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: he outplays usually half of the starting centers. He's a
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: live wiy offensive rebounder. What's he worth right now? Minimum
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: sean at least fifteen million dollars a year mid level exception.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: That's minimum fifteen four years, fifteen million, sixty million plus change.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: So he'll be out there all right. Landon Shaman gotta
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: love this guy, This guy Shammitt. He replaced basically former
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: jazz man Jordan Clarkson, who saw with the nickelbackers, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: it hasn't worked out as far as his career. The
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: team is winning, but they're winning without Jordan Clarkson because
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: they landed Shaman, all right. So Shammit right now is
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: a free agent off the bench. He's played absolutely great.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Here's some quick numbers about Shammit this postseason run, he's
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: shooting fifty five point three percent from the field Sewan
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: from three point range, from threes, sixty percent from threes
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: in fourteen games, sixty percent. As a matter of fact,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: in the present tense the last two games, when the
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: when the Knicks punched the Cabs in the face shammitt.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: As we speak right now, Sean has made nine out
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: of his last ten three point shots. Nine in the
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: last ten that Sean, I'm out of metsk ninety percent.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: That's pretty good, pretty good, pretty good.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And plus also he plays good defense.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: And he's like, again, it sounds so trivial. I live
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: in the real world, Yes I do. But he's a
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: good guy. Good guy meaning what his teammates like him.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: He comes on time to the walkthroughs shown on the
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: on the plane, he's respectful to his teammates on the plane,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: above sea, above sea level thirty five thousand feet. These
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: are all things that make white teams do win. So
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: he'll be out there. He's worth probably now eight to
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: ten million dollars a year. I'm pausing because I don't
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: want to get so crazy as far as someone's value,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: but he'll get something from not the Knickerbockers, some other
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: team right now.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: So for those two in particular, how much will what
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: happens in the NBA Finals affect their decision? Because you
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: could stay with New York on a discount, or you
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: could maximize your individual value in the market, like we've
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: seen guys do so often. But the chances of you
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: ending up on another contender. I mean, maybe you win
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: a championship this year, and the conversation in the next
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: few days after you win that championship is like, hey,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: let's go get it again next year. Let's keep this
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: band but together, and let's see if we can chase
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: it again next year. Realistically, these guys might be looking
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: at it and saying, I'm gonna go get the most
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: money I can to play for Charlotte, right to do
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the Harrison Barnes thing. How much does
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the result of the finals affect the decision making? For
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Landry Shammon and for Robinson.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: It's a factor, But the biggest factor is your age group.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: In other words, just generally speaking, if you're say Landon
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Shamman type of Mitchell Robinson. If you're under if you're
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: thirty year old and younger, you take the money. If
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: you're above thirty, then the money is important, but winning
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: is also. So it's like a rule of thumb. You
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: could say, give it, take a year or so off
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: that we thirty one twenty nine. You can debate that,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: but it's absolutely important because Sean, if you take a
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: discount your teenus to win, you're forever bitter about I
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: could have gotten more money from other place. So it's
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: that unbelievable what a group old you are as far
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: as that. And also if you really feel in your
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: heart of hearts that you have a chance to really
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: play well again the second or thirty year under contract,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: so it's interesting. It's a good delimit to have done.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: All right, we got to take a break here. Gordy
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: is still with us for another twenty minutes or so.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about Game six coming Spurs Thunder, which by
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: the way, you can listen to right here on ESPN
• 29:41
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• 29:45
  Speaker 3: on the Sean O'Connell Show, Seutah's number one sports talk.
• 29:53
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  Speaker 3: So Western Conference Final Game six at six ESPN seven
• 30:28
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• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Watching on your TV, Mute the TV listen.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: To the radio broadcast right here with Utah's number one
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: sports talk Spurs.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Hosting the Thunder.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: It is a potential elimination game, obviously, Gordy. With the
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Thunder up three to two, how did the Spurs stay alive?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: One being desperate? Don't shoot desperate, but play desperate in
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: a playoff close out game six, it's like really a fit.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: It's an umbli fierceness battle and that both teams are
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: trying to compete. One want to stay alive and the
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: other one to move on. So that's the backdrop it
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: And how do you do that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: The best way to stay alive.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: In it is to absolutely be manadical about playing defense.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: And you've got to get well, you don't shoot straight
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: in a playoff game because the defense is so edgy,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: you've got an offensive rebound. So tonight's game, the team
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: that usually will win this game will be who gets
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: more total rebounds, but especially get do overs on the
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: offensive glass. And that's why it's so critical that you
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: give yourself up your body to try to get rebounds
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: both on the defensive end and also climbing someone's back
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: to try to get an offensive stick back on it.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: And that in playoff games like this, sean we call
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: the bigness of the moment, where that this is about
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: these big about big shots, big defensive stops. Is a
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: big games and most of those sewing that people have
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: the most bigness of the ones of the big hearts,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: and that it's not about anymore you're playing the same
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: team six times right now, you're guarding the same guy
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: six times. It's about who has enough tenacity yet be
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: measured as far as their movement to be able to
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: get it done all right rebounding defensively. And then the
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: star players have to step up and it could be
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: a shot, it could be a timely, a kickout pass,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: it could be a steal. So the question right now
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: is can Victor wen Biamba and Stephen Cassel Willis team
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: to get the game seven and can shape Joes Alexander
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Can he also get his team to knock him out
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: to get a few days rest right now? And chet
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Holgrim's got a player play much better, just philosophically, they're
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: getting huge better. You're getting huge performance right now by
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Isaiah Hartenstein, Cason Wallach has played very well from them.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: And then the X factor's always is this guy named
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Alex Crusoe. All right, when you talk about the NBA
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Draft three from now or by the way, Crusoe would
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: liver invited to the party. So Alex Crusoe is probably
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: the best role player in the NBA that outperforms everything quickly.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: With with Caruso, I call him that he's the He's
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: the MP, the most important person on the Thunder not
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: that not the most valuable player, but the most important person.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Cruise is averaging seventeen point points seventeen points per game,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: shooting fifty six point eight from the field and fifty
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: eight to one from threes eighteen for thirty one. So
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: he guards anybody on the court, and he makes threes,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: and he's always doing something help his team. So who
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: can make hustle plays to get to advance or to
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: knock out the opponent. It's gonna be a great Gamelinstin's
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: telling me, Sean, it's gonna be the It's gonna be
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: the Spurs, and we get a Game seven on Saturday night.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: The NBA obviously wants to that, right, a primetime Saturday
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: night Game seven, two great Western Conference teams and for
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: all the marbles at least going to the NBA Finals.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Very much, they doh, and game seven is nothing like
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: it we sorted ready in the first round, and how
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: how game seven really makes a person's legacy. And speaking
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: of game seven showing the greatest ever Game seven winner
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: of all time, it's not even close. Is Bill Russell.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: He is ten and zero in game sevens where he
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: averaged fifteen point one points per game, showing he average
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: rebounds in Game seven's twenty nine point three rebounds in
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Game sevens. Remember they didn't keep block shots then, so
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: we never know how many block shots he would have
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: in game seven. All right, Nikoboxers, they're resting right now,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: and they they deserve it, all right. The last time
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Nicks won the finals was nineteen ninety nine, and shown
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: before that's why we played the song in the studio
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: about about you and I a beloved Prince nineteen ninety
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: nine as the last time they were in the finals
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: the Nicobockers in twenty seven years and also the less
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: time six win the championship was fifty three years ago
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy three. Were ironically shown is that they
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: beat the Spurs four games to one, and that and
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: that just excuse me, part me. They lost to the
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Spurs in ninety nine four games to one. In nineteen
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: seventy three when they beat the Lakers for the last championship,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: that was fifty three years ago, when Willis Reed was
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: the was the MVP all right? Quickly, it's edt Totis
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: right now. You know about showing so many metrics in
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: the draft and stuff. So his his's some the smallest
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: players ever to play in the finals to win MVP,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: all right. So Isaiah Thomas in nineteen ninety was six
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: to one, was the MVP. Tony Parker of the Spurs
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: six to two two thousand and seven, and then the
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Steph Curry. He was MVP in twenty and twenty two.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: So my question is if the Knicks suddenly and it's
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: sewn six two, Jellen Brunson, you can't measure heart Sewan,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: whether it's the NFL or the NBA or the metrics
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: or the lent to somebody like Crusoe right now. The
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  Speaker 4: metrics wouldn't tell him how it would be, would the
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  Speaker 4: eye tests wouldn't be so good. But in the way
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  Speaker 4: he plays Crusoe, he plays bigger.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: This is going back far with both franchises, but there's
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  Speaker 3: a revisionist history thing here.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: There was a time when the Oklahoma City franchise had
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  Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, James Harden, and Russell Westbrook all in the
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  Speaker 3: same roster. Brunson and Luca were on the same Mavericks
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  Speaker 3: roster together. Neither of those teams won championships with those guys,
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  Speaker 3: those perennial All Stars, those greats on the roster together.
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  Speaker 1: Which is it?
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  Speaker 3: Which is one which is more easily explainable for you
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  Speaker 3: when you look back at what those teams were when
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  Speaker 3: when they had those players on the roster, which one
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  Speaker 3: actually makes sense, like, oh yeah, they didn't win because
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  Speaker 3: of this, Well.
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  Speaker 1: Because they didn't share the ball. Okay, that's the reason why.
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  Speaker 4: In other words, it's what you want to do is
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  Speaker 4: have when you have elite players in your team, you
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  Speaker 4: want it. One guy is gonna be the off of
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  Speaker 4: dog where he has a dominant game and a dominant personality,
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  Speaker 4: but the other guys have dominant games but not a
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  Speaker 4: dominant personality. And that's how you win championships. So I
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  Speaker 4: just describe right now with sha Jo's Alexander, he's got
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  Speaker 4: a dominant game without a dominant personality. He doesn't and
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  Speaker 4: so that's why in that world it's beautiful for this
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  Speaker 4: joy to play. And then the okay, see it seems
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  Speaker 4: to me with the Spurs showing with Wen Biyamba, people like,
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  Speaker 4: people like being with him. It sounds so trivial. And
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  Speaker 4: the Knickerbocker's Jellen Brunson took a pay cut to help
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  Speaker 4: his future teammates make money to come on their team,
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  Speaker 4: and now that's the ultimate sacrifice as far as the
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  Speaker 4: professional athlete. It's worked out great. Also, Consny Towns Cat
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  Speaker 4: to his credit, he's taking a step back or sidewards.
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  Speaker 4: He knows right now, this is Jalen Brunston's team, but
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson includes his teammates and everything that they do
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  Speaker 4: as far as on the court off the court, that's
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  Speaker 4: why they win. It sounds so simple. Chemistry is absolutely
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  Speaker 4: important with star players.
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  Speaker 3: Did the NBA get it right with the Coach of
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  Speaker 3: the Year award Joe Mizzoula got their award.
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  Speaker 4: Yes they did and also segree to that. Also the
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  Speaker 4: executive the year was Brad Stevens. So the Celts had
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  Speaker 4: got back to back the guys as far as the
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  Speaker 4: same year, men, people thought the celtsan to be wide
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  Speaker 4: a gap year where Jason Tatum who got hurt in
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: the playoff spec of twenty twenty five years right, he
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: didn't play until April, and I guess what happened that
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  Speaker 4: the Celtics didn't agree and they had no gap year.
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  Speaker 4: The Celts right now, they won fifty six games in
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  Speaker 4: twenty six regular season, so fifty six and twenty six
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  Speaker 4: and they lost in the playoffs. But absolutely they did
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  Speaker 4: a good job. Remember they lost them to the seventy
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  Speaker 4: six is in Game seven at home. So Joe Missoula
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  Speaker 4: tremendous coach, good leader, The players respect him and.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds so simple, but it's not.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 4: The question is always any any business you have as
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  Speaker 4: a leader, you've got to show the qualities is that
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  Speaker 4: you're there's you're in charge. But within that though, you
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  Speaker 4: delegate authority shown to other people. That's why I got
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL. Shown Andy Reid is the perfect NFL
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  Speaker 4: coach because he's a smart technician and strategist. But you
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  Speaker 4: get the feeling, Sean that he the coaches are huge
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  Speaker 4: prout of it and that he includes the star players
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  Speaker 4: and any decision making.
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  Speaker 1: That's why the chiefs.
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  Speaker 4: I know they have mahomes and that's part of it,
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  Speaker 4: but that's why they win or highly competitive.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, what's your list today?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, my list today is Sean the NBA Playoffs Korea
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  Speaker 4: Total block shot Leaders, so the most Korea block shots
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  Speaker 4: in the NBA. Yeah, Victor wen BEYONMBRE is not on
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  Speaker 4: this list, but my instincts tell me that he will
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  Speaker 4: be someday. Minus some gotha bid major injury. Here we
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  Speaker 4: go to be a shot blocker quickly. There's some attributes
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  Speaker 4: and skills. One is timing two length, three quick off
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  Speaker 4: your feet, four technique staying vertical not horizontal, big difference
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  Speaker 4: vertical versus horizontal, and five discipline. The best shot blockers
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  Speaker 4: are the second jumper, not the first, So in any
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  Speaker 4: sort of head and shoulder fake in the lane, they
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  Speaker 4: stay up to stay down, and that's why it's so
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  Speaker 4: critical that you could block a shot and found the
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  Speaker 4: guy guess what, it's a fell, not a block shot.
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  Speaker 4: Here we go the ten all time Korea shot block
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  Speaker 4: leaders in playoff history. Number ten Kevin McHale two hundred
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  Speaker 4: eighty one blocks, Number nine Lebron James two eighty seven,
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  Speaker 4: Number eight Sergia Baker two ninety two. Number seven Patrick
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  Speaker 4: Ewing three hundred and three block shots. Number six Robert
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  Speaker 4: Parrish three oh nine. Number five David Robinson three twelve.
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  Speaker 4: But David Robinson also another intrigue. He's left handed. The
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  Speaker 4: block shots with a different hand, which is absolutely important.
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  Speaker 4: Number four Shaquille O'Neal four hundred and fifty nine blocks.
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  Speaker 4: Number three Akeema Laji one four seventy two rejections. Number
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  Speaker 4: two all time shot block leader playoff history, Kareem abdul
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  Speaker 4: Jabal four to seventy six. The number one greatest ever
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  Speaker 4: shot blocking in the NBA history is Tim Duncan five
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  Speaker 4: hundred and sixty eight blocks, which comes to two point
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  Speaker 4: three quickly. What about Jazz basketball. Mark Eaton is twenty
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: third all time in block shots where he blocked two
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  Speaker 4: hundred and ten blocks in his career for two point
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  Speaker 4: eight blocks per game. So Mark only played in seventy
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  Speaker 4: four games all right, present tense. More importantly, Victor wem
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  Speaker 4: Beyomber all Right, age twenty two, first time in the
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  Speaker 4: playoffs with the Spurs, he has already He's played fifteen
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  Speaker 4: games so far in this playoffs, in the twenty six playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: he has fifty six blocks already, which comes to three
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: point seven blocks per game. So when beyonmber if Mark
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  Speaker 4: Eaton got two point eight and that is great, and
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  Speaker 4: Tim Duncan averaged two point three plos for his Korea,
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  Speaker 4: when beyond this guy right now three point seven blocks
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  Speaker 4: average in fifteen games right now. Thus, Shawn, shot blocking
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  Speaker 4: is absolutely critical in playoff games because the reason why
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  Speaker 4: the three point shot isn't as as a parent because
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  Speaker 4: the defense is so fierce. They run you, They run
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  Speaker 4: the shoes off the line. In that the mid range
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  Speaker 4: game and they try to draw fouls. And that's why
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  Speaker 4: shot blocking. Rim protection is absolutely critical Jazz basketball. Walker
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  Speaker 4: Kessler is a good shot blocker, so it's and so
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: is Jaron Jackson, one of the best in the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: So as a Jazz go forward in playoff basketball, hope
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: but soon is that they're gonna have two shot blockers
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  Speaker 4: that will impact the game. Thus, Shawn, that's my list
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  Speaker 4: of today.
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  Speaker 3: So Tim Duncan played two hundred and fifty one career
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  Speaker 3: playoff games and ended up with five hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 3: eight total blocks. Uh, what did you say? We's Wemby's
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: a blocks per game. He's at three point seven or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yea, three points blocks per games.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna do fifty fifty six total blocks in
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  Speaker 4: fifteen games.
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  Speaker 3: Three point seven times two fifty one if he was
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  Speaker 3: able to maintain If he was able to maintain that
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  Speaker 3: pace for as many playoff games as Tim Duncan played.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Remember Tim Duncan's total five to sixty eight. If if
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Wemby was able to do three point seven blocks per
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  Speaker 3: game over the course of two hundred and fifty one games,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: that's nine hundred and twenty eight career playoff blocks. It's
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: an absurd number, and obviously the more playoff games he plays,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: probably that average comes down a little bit. But even
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  Speaker 3: if he gets two hundred games at three blocks a game,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: we're talking about the record by a healthy margin. He's
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: still thirty two blocks above a Tim Duncan with fifty
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: one fewer games played. He is a force defensively, yes,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: and not so bad offensively, do.
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  Speaker 4: Zach right, and also the sen Antonio Spurs. So if
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: that happens, Sean, the Spurs would have three guys in
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: the top five all time, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: maybe someday Victor went beyonder. So talk about oh, by
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: the way, if you're in a small market, you can't
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: win the championship, says who.
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  Speaker 3: I had, by the way, who when you started that list,
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  Speaker 3: I had totally put Tim Duncan out of my mind.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, it's going to be Kareem number one,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: achem olajuwon number two. I had totally forgotten that Tim
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  Speaker 3: Duncan should be in the spot that he's in.
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  Speaker 1: But not really a great leaper, so Sean.
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  Speaker 4: So getting back to the attributes, where he's a second
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  Speaker 4: jumper in the lane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in that position wise, and that.
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  Speaker 4: He stays vertical versus he stays he stays on the
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  Speaker 4: ground more. That's why it's absolutely critical how he blocked shots.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: And that's why it's so important is to stay vertical
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: versus horizontal, where your body the guy on his shoulders.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Little things do matter. Attention to detail is absolutely important
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: to any athlete any sport that details do matter.
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  Speaker 1: Shout outs.
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  Speaker 3: He serves Ibacca, by the way, for making that list
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  Speaker 3: without being an overall great player.
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  Speaker 1: He's the only one.
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  Speaker 4: Also add to that, Sean, he was the guy they
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: gave the money to the Thunder instead of James Harden.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Remember that long time ago they paid Abaca and moved
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: on James Harden.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Well, James has not I mean he's individually he's been great.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: He has not contributed to a championship run for any
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: team since then. So maybe Oklahoma City doesn't have a
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: lot of buyer's remorse on that one good point.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of it.
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  Speaker 4: You think, you know, you don't know until all plays out,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: so right now it's all expected. But I do know
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  Speaker 4: right now is that the tonight's game is going to
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  Speaker 4: be absolutely spectacular.
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  Speaker 1: Both teams are going to pour.
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  Speaker 4: It out on the court, and that we have the
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: power shown of the Nuns for the San Antonio Spurs
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  Speaker 4: of trying to help their favorite team right now.
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  Speaker 3: That is Gordon Chiesa. We thank him for his contributions
• 46:59
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