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Rude heckling by the tipi fire, Rumi and Orpheus. · Mooney's Mythic Podcast

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Terima kasih.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome Welcome to this episode of Mooney's Mythic Podcast Welcome Deep we're going
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SPEAKER_00: Deep into the earth and up to the stars we're going And this week's Mooney's Mythic
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SPEAKER_00: Podcast is sponsored by Haruka Haruka Clothing
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SPEAKER_00: the beautiful clothing store in Glastonbury.
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SPEAKER_00: This clothing store is having the privilege of being sponsored today sponsoring us
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SPEAKER_00: today because the wonderful Amanda who runs it helped me put all my stickers out at
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SPEAKER_00: Glastonbury Festival this week and as she was putting them out with me
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SPEAKER_00: She told me that she used a Rumi quote to inspire her,
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SPEAKER_00: to inspire the brand,
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SPEAKER_00: the slow fashion,
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SPEAKER_00: the prints from India,
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SPEAKER_00: the handmade,
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SPEAKER_00: the woven.
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SPEAKER_00: With this Rumi quote, unfold your own myth.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's just feel our own stories, our own myths unfolding within us.
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SPEAKER_00: Deep within us there are stories yet to be told, there are mythic places yet to explore.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's get really creative on the inside.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I'll start with some reviews.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for listening everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: And my most delightful review of this week is Andrea from Choir.
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SPEAKER_00: I wasn't going to say her name.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope that's okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I said Angela anyway.
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SPEAKER_00: Angela,
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SPEAKER_00: she's brilliant at speaking sideways from her mouth so that no one can see that
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SPEAKER_00: we're talking when we're chatting in choir.
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SPEAKER_00: We can look straight ahead and she can speak sideways out of her mouth and that way
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SPEAKER_00: we can catch up with each other.
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SPEAKER_00: And she told me that she put the podcast on when her grandchildren were in the car.
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SPEAKER_00: She said, listen to this, listen to this.
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SPEAKER_00: And when I was invoking the fire in the last podcast,
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SPEAKER_00: they started laughing and saying,
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SPEAKER_00: who's this weirdo?
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SPEAKER_00: Who's this weirdo?
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SPEAKER_00: And Andrea was so cross with them that she made them get out of the car.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's a brilliant affirmation.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
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SPEAKER_00: It wasn't on the motorway, I don't think, just checking.
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SPEAKER_00: I think the safety of the children was never in question.
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SPEAKER_00: But to uphold the podcast in that way, I felt very touched by.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you to Anna who played the first 10 minutes and then paused it to write me a
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SPEAKER_00: message to say,
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SPEAKER_00: I've had to stop this to say I'm really enjoying listening to it.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks to all of you that get in touch and keep going.
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SPEAKER_00: Maxine Ryder Prime sent me a beautiful message just as I was thinking,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: next week,
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SPEAKER_00: can I keep going?
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SPEAKER_00: She just sent me such a beautiful message that made me to keep taking steps forward.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's what I'm doing, is keeping on taking steps forward with this podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And I hope that you're taking steps forward to those hunches and those instincts
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SPEAKER_00: and those places on the inside that you are feeling are your soul's path and your
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SPEAKER_00: soul's footsteps,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever they are.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe you could whisper them to yourself or write them down or tell a friend or
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SPEAKER_00: just allow some breath,
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SPEAKER_00: some dreaming into those places.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if you can hear from my voice, but I'm tired.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm really tired.
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SPEAKER_00: And I've been in the dustiest place on the earth.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't been in the desert.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I have been at Glastonbury Festival.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think the dust has just got deep into me and it's slowly coming out.
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SPEAKER_00: I've had three baths.
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SPEAKER_00: You should see the ring around my bath.
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SPEAKER_00: It's dark as anything.
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SPEAKER_00: And I've got a few bits of shrapnel lying around,
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SPEAKER_00: but other than that I'm pretty pleased with how I've managed to get my stuff
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SPEAKER_00: together and unpacked since I've been home.
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SPEAKER_00: And before I introduce you to the exciting guest who you've already heard from,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to read you a Rumi poem.
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SPEAKER_00: Now this one is translated by Robert Bly.
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SPEAKER_00: The drunkards are rolling in slowly Those who hold to wine are approaching The
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SPEAKER_00: lovers come,
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SPEAKER_00: singing,
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SPEAKER_00: from the garden The ones with brilliant eyes
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SPEAKER_00: That I don't want to live are leaving, and that I want to live are arriving.
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SPEAKER_00: There are gold sewn into their clothes, sewn in for those who have none.
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SPEAKER_00: Those with ribs showing who have been grazing in the old pasture of love are turning up fat and frisky.
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SPEAKER_00: The souls of pure teachers are arriving like rays of sunlight from so far up to the ground huggers.
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SPEAKER_00: How marvellous is that garden where apples and pears,
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SPEAKER_00: both for the sake of the two martyrs,
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SPEAKER_00: are arriving even in winter.
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SPEAKER_00: Those apples grow from the gift and they sink back into the gift.
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SPEAKER_00: It must be that they are coming from the garden to the garden.
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SPEAKER_00: And here we are coming from the garden of Glastonbury Festival to the garden of our lives,
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SPEAKER_00: to the garden of this podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And yes, so exciting.
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SPEAKER_00: My second only ever guest is the amazing William Cramer from Queen Space Baroque.
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SPEAKER_01: And yes.
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SPEAKER_00: He's brought some instruments here today.
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SPEAKER_00: We are going to tell a story for you today that is going to take you to so many
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SPEAKER_00: different places in your heart and soul,
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SPEAKER_00: I promise you.
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SPEAKER_00: But before we do that, we have both had our full Glastonbury Festival experience.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's have a little talk about how it was for William.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome, William Kramer.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Sarah.
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SPEAKER_00: How was it for you?
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SPEAKER_03: It was my first Glastonbury festival and that was amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: Quite a special moment.
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SPEAKER_00: I remember my first Glastonbury festival,
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SPEAKER_00: I felt like all my pores were eyes and ears and I just couldn't kind of suck up
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SPEAKER_00: enough or see or receive enough from all the different worlds,
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SPEAKER_00: from all the different creativity.
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SPEAKER_00: My neighbour, Paul, he's a farmer, and I said to him, how can I make some money?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to Glastonbury Festival, how can I make some money?
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SPEAKER_00: And he said, that is not the point.
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SPEAKER_00: And I thought, what does he mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Everyone's making money at Glastonbury.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I looked at the ticket and it said, Festival for Performing Arts.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just thought, he's so right.
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SPEAKER_00: What have I got to offer?
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SPEAKER_00: What creativity can I offer Glastonbury?
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SPEAKER_00: And I think about that every year, about what I'm bringing, what I'm holding, what I'm sharing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm in the teepee field, so I feel like...
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SPEAKER_00: People come to the teepee field with a sort of delight around,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: this is possible,
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SPEAKER_00: living on the earth is possible,
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SPEAKER_00: living with spirit and soul is possible.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very gorgeous.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is where I saw your banging gig with Queen Space Baroque in Ancient Futures.
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SPEAKER_00: It was amazing, William.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, what am I doing?
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SPEAKER_00: With so many different people I could go and see,
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm seeing some local musicians,
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SPEAKER_00: and I just felt so glad to be there.
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SPEAKER_00: How was the gig for you?
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SPEAKER_03: I was so happy to play at Ancient Futures, such a wonderful place.
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SPEAKER_03: And as well, even if it's my first time in the festival, I think the T.P.
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SPEAKER_03: Field is probably my favorite place so far.
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SPEAKER_03: I think that was the best place for me.
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SPEAKER_03: I've been walking a lot, like all of us really.
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SPEAKER_03: yeah such a joy to play there so yeah thank you again for coming
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SPEAKER_00: It was great.
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SPEAKER_00: I loved watching Jenny with the violin playing some bass on the violin and then you
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SPEAKER_00: copying it on the bass and then when you got it and then she was flying off on the violin.
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SPEAKER_00: It was just like, wow, so special.
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SPEAKER_00: And the intensity of the concentration and the depth of the listening between you all.
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SPEAKER_00: That was what was just so exciting for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you, I'm really happy to hear that.
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SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of this going on when we do it because we never play the sets twice the same.
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SPEAKER_03: We don't do that, that's like...
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SPEAKER_03: Johnny she loves like when not repeating things so even on her violin playing even
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SPEAKER_03: when she plays like written classical or baroque pieces like she actually doesn't
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SPEAKER_03: always use the same fingerings which like
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SPEAKER_03: yeah um which is very impressive like uh and we there's lots of things we make up
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SPEAKER_03: on the as as we're playing like like all the the transitions and all of these so
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SPEAKER_00: yeah it's a totally live experience
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SPEAKER_00: And I remember,
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SPEAKER_00: you might tell me off later for sharing this,
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SPEAKER_00: but I remember you telling me that when you first met Jenny,
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SPEAKER_00: that you recorded her playing and that you listened to it so many times before you were...
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SPEAKER_00: This is true.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh man,
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SPEAKER_00: it was just like such a touching love story that you listened to it over and over
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SPEAKER_00: and over again,
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SPEAKER_00: like falling in love with her as a musician.
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SPEAKER_00: It was, yeah, a really beautiful story.
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SPEAKER_00: And Jenny's not here today.
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SPEAKER_00: We were hoping she'll be here today,
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SPEAKER_00: but she's not here today because it is now,
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SPEAKER_00: this is the day where the Glastonbury starts to catch up with you,
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SPEAKER_00: I'd say,
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SPEAKER_00: and she's got a gig tonight.
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SPEAKER_00: So we've got William here from Queen's Space Baroque and we'll for sure have Jenny here another time.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so what was I thinking?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I was thinking about my favourite interaction at Glastonbury and a little girl on
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SPEAKER_00: the last night,
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SPEAKER_00: I'd almost packed up on the last day and I was just sitting there having a cup of
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SPEAKER_00: tea and a little girl came up and she was wearing a gold cape.
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SPEAKER_00: And she said, I'm a Diplodocus.
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SPEAKER_00: And I said,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: of course you are,
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SPEAKER_00: because it's Glastonbury and anywhere your child can be whatever they like.
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SPEAKER_00: And she said, I'll be your pet for the morning.
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SPEAKER_00: And I said, okay, great.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to tidy up my things.
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SPEAKER_00: And she pulled her face and she said,
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SPEAKER_00: I can play with you for as long as you like,
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SPEAKER_00: but I can't have a sleepover because my parents will be worried about me.
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SPEAKER_00: so that was one of my favorite favorite experiences and and i feel like that's part
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SPEAKER_00: of what's so brilliant about glastonbury's you can you never know who you're going
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SPEAKER_00: to meet and what they're going to say or how they're going to resonate with you
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SPEAKER_00: it's really fun so i wondered what your highlight was from glastonbury what your
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SPEAKER_03: best bit was my highlights is actually the gig
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SPEAKER_03: we don't identify futures and apart from that i just seen two geeks in the in the
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SPEAKER_03: weekend and i think the breeders and that was like really nice for me because i
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SPEAKER_03: remember like seeing them on
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SPEAKER_03: When I was a kid, I had to go to my grandma to watch MTV.
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SPEAKER_03: So I was going there and I was seeing like the Cannonball,
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SPEAKER_03: the song there,
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SPEAKER_03: hit video clip and reminded me of that.
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SPEAKER_03: So seeing them for real, like for the first time in my life that this was like such a nice experience.
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SPEAKER_00: Cool.
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SPEAKER_00: And why did you go to your grandmother's to watch MTV?
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SPEAKER_03: Because back in the days in France,
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SPEAKER_03: that was like,
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SPEAKER_03: you need to have the cable,
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SPEAKER_03: if you call it like this here,
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SPEAKER_03: which we didn't have at my place,
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SPEAKER_03: but she had like all the channels,
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SPEAKER_03: so I was going there for that.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's gorgeous.
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SPEAKER_00: I know after your gig was the Ancient Futures Collective and they were doing ball and French dancing.
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SPEAKER_00: Were you there then or had you gone by then?
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SPEAKER_03: This was amazing.
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SPEAKER_03: I heard it from the backstage which is like basically outside.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: It was wonderful.
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SPEAKER_00: I danced my socks off.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was with Jess, who's also French.
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SPEAKER_00: And so she knew all the dances.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we were dancing and dancing and dancing.
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SPEAKER_00: And I said, I saw William, Jenny earlier, and they're amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: She said to me, I think you resonate with French people, Sarah.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah, we had a great night.
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SPEAKER_00: Beautiful, beautiful gathering of artists.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm getting ready to tell this story.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was that night that I told this story at Glastonbury.
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SPEAKER_00: The ball was just finishing and I was standing by the back of the yurt and these
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SPEAKER_00: men were talking and I was just listening to their conversation and they were saying,
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SPEAKER_00: One of them was saying, do you know there's four types of beard?
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SPEAKER_00: And the other guy was saying, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, what type of beard have you got?
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SPEAKER_00: And he said, goatee, obviously.
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SPEAKER_00: Look, I've got a goatee here and no hair here.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, I love this conversation.
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SPEAKER_00: And then before I knew it, I was saying, because I was open, I'd been dancing, dancing, dancing.
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SPEAKER_00: I'd had a half lager, but...
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SPEAKER_00: Mostly I just get very opened by the music.
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SPEAKER_00: And I said, do you know that there's six different types of fanny scent?
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SPEAKER_00: It says in an ancient Sanskrit text that one of them,
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SPEAKER_00: the one that can really send you to ecstasy,
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SPEAKER_00: smells like the wrinkle in an elephant's trunk.
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SPEAKER_00: And they just went, yeah, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I was just feeling very open.
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SPEAKER_00: And one of them looked at me and said,
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SPEAKER_00: you remind me of Miriam Margolis,
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SPEAKER_00: who is an actress who's always sexually inappropriate,
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SPEAKER_00: I would say.
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SPEAKER_00: And I thought, Sarah, if you've been compared to Miriam Margolis, it is time to go to bed.
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SPEAKER_00: Just get yourself to bed.
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SPEAKER_00: So I walked from Ancient Futures up to the TP Fire.
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SPEAKER_00: And as I went up to the tipi fire, I saw this kind of thrum of presence.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like it's hardly ever quiet around the tipi fire,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: but there was this quiet,
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SPEAKER_00: and I just could feel my story tingler.
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SPEAKER_00: My whole body was tingling, and I thought, okay, I'm going to tell a story right now.
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SPEAKER_00: So I stepped forward, and I started to tell a story, which I'm going to...
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SPEAKER_00: share with you and it's huge the teepee fires like some of the pieces of wood they
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SPEAKER_00: come up to my waist you know so I was just getting used to like moving around the
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SPEAKER_00: fire and there were quite a few inebriated people there and one of them was
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SPEAKER_00: heckling the life out of me like literally every sentence heckling and I think now
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SPEAKER_00: maybe I should have nipped him in the bud earlier but I was quite enjoying the
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SPEAKER_00: movement of him shouting things out and for instance I talked about um
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SPEAKER_00: the totem pole,
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SPEAKER_00: it comes up,
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SPEAKER_00: and I was taking us through the faces on the totem pole,
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SPEAKER_00: and when we reached the top,
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SPEAKER_00: I was saying,
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SPEAKER_00: this top one is Hades,
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SPEAKER_00: and Hades is crying a tear,
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SPEAKER_00: and the tear is dripping all the way down the totem pole,
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SPEAKER_00: and he shouted out,
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SPEAKER_00: that's not tear,
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SPEAKER_00: that's pre-cum,
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SPEAKER_00: and I was just like,
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SPEAKER_00: that was my,
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SPEAKER_00: I was going to say,
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SPEAKER_00: not for children this next bit,
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SPEAKER_00: but I forgot,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: But so just to give you an example of what I was navigating whilst I was telling this story.
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SPEAKER_00: But what my most proudest moment from telling this story was that afterwards
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SPEAKER_00: someone else got up and did a poem.
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SPEAKER_00: And then after that and after that and after that and then I went to bed and hours
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SPEAKER_00: later they were still going.
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SPEAKER_00: And someone came up to me in the morning and said,
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SPEAKER_00: you started the night around the fire after you told that story,
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SPEAKER_00: so many people came up and performed.
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SPEAKER_00: And I feel like sometimes you can tell a story or you can perform something and
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SPEAKER_00: people can shrink back and they just sort of become audience and they don't feel
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SPEAKER_00: they've got anything to offer.
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SPEAKER_00: um and and if you can open a door that people think that this the space belongs to
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SPEAKER_00: everybody that feels really precious to me yeah so that was great and someone else
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SPEAKER_00: who had listened to the story uh came up to me the next day and said you've really
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SPEAKER_00: lost weight which i think is uh
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes men say that to me and I think it's their way of sort of,
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SPEAKER_00: they've seen me in a different light,
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SPEAKER_00: but they're a bit confused about what,
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SPEAKER_00: quite what,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: quite what they've seen.
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SPEAKER_00: I get that quite a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: I get that quite a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: I do,
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SPEAKER_00: people saying that,
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SPEAKER_00: I think that when they see me on stage,
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SPEAKER_00: they see me differently and they can't quite work out what it is.
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SPEAKER_00: And they think it must be because I've lost weight.
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SPEAKER_00: It's such a witness, but it's not the first time.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just laughed and said, what, since Tuesday?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, you've only seen me for a week.
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SPEAKER_00: And I've been pooing as little as possible.
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SPEAKER_00: Which is what we were talking about earlier, about the loos at Glastonbury.
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SPEAKER_00: And I did have a gig backstage at Theatre and Circus and the toilets were lovely.
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SPEAKER_00: So there are some decent loos.
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SPEAKER_00: Also up at Stromerville, those ones were all right as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Did you go up that far?
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SPEAKER_03: No, I didn't, but it's good to know from the exterior.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because they're like the last loos before the door out, before the exit.
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SPEAKER_00: So I found them to be palatable.
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Did you go to Stromoville at all?
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SPEAKER_03: No, I wish I did.
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SPEAKER_03: I had a look.
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SPEAKER_03: I heard like some of the about 3.30 on the Monday morning.
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SPEAKER_03: I heard like their closing party and the music like sounded amazing.
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SPEAKER_03: And I wish I went there to party but like...
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SPEAKER_03: And then later I've seen some of the things that have been on at Instrument Reveal
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SPEAKER_03: on Instagram and it looks really cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I saw quite a few things there because it was very close to me and I did really
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SPEAKER_00: enjoy it,
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SPEAKER_00: which made me curious about what the second band that you saw was.
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SPEAKER_03: J'ai vu Robert Fripp avec sa femme, Toya, et j'étais vraiment heureux de voir Robert Fripp.
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SPEAKER_00: Qui est Robert Fripp ?
20:39
SPEAKER_03: Je n'ai jamais entendu parler de lui.
20:41
SPEAKER_03: Il est le joueur de guitare de King Crimson.
20:46
SPEAKER_03: Right.
20:47
SPEAKER_03: And he's responsible for the amazing guitar on the track Heroes by David Bowie.
20:55
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: That's him playing and a few others of David Bowie and he collaborated with Brian
21:03
SPEAKER_03: Eno and he's one of my heroes who even if that was like just in some cover band
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SPEAKER_03: that was such an amazing moment for me like to...
21:13
SPEAKER_00: Have you read Brian Eno's A Year with Swollen Appendix?
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SPEAKER_03: What is it?
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SPEAKER_00: It's a diary.
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SPEAKER_00: It's his diary.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know who he was but my brother was really into music when we were like
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SPEAKER_00: teenagers and he had this book a year with swollen appendix and it's a small shape
21:32
SPEAKER_00: and I was just curious about the shape of the book so I read it and it's really odd
21:38
SPEAKER_00: to find it to sort of go into a year in someone's life before you know anything
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SPEAKER_00: about them you know like he's quite a famous musician isn't he?
21:49
SPEAKER_00: William is my friend that keeps me cool.
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SPEAKER_00: I was looking today on our Facebook messages and he was sending me some
21:57
SPEAKER_00: recommendations about music,
21:59
SPEAKER_00: which I'm very grateful for.
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SPEAKER_00: So, let's read.
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SPEAKER_00: I was going to read a bit more roomy before I started the story today.
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SPEAKER_00: This, my friend Catherine gave this book to me for my birthday last year.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Catherine.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, let's read a couple because these are so nice.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: So I was thinking about all the revelers,
22:25
SPEAKER_00: everyone with their little tipples and their sachets and whatever else everyone's
22:32
SPEAKER_00: got at Glastonbury and thinking that we're all there for joy.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: We're all there for transformation,
22:42
SPEAKER_00: we're all there for the lifting up of our hearts and souls,
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SPEAKER_00: and these two poems reminded me of that.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: When grapes turn to wine, they long for our ability to change.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: When stars wheel around the North Pole, they are longing for our growing consciousness.
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SPEAKER_00: wine got drunk with us not the other way the body developed out of us not we from
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SPEAKER_00: it we are bees and our body is a honeycomb we made the body cell by cell we made it
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SPEAKER_00: just feeling into our bodies there that that these
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SPEAKER_00: Bodies are our own creation to walk upon this earth,
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SPEAKER_00: that everything in our life is a representation of our own creation,
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SPEAKER_00: of our own creativity,
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SPEAKER_00: of our own imaginations.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: Immediately all the things in my life that are challenging at the moment come roaring in.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's a good reminder to know that I'm in the driving seat of my life.
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SPEAKER_00: I can create and create and create.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: And I wondered if anyone who doesn't know who Rumi is,
24:03
SPEAKER_00: I was just going to say that he was a poet,
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SPEAKER_00: a master of the Sufi tradition in the 12th century.
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SPEAKER_00: And the Sufi tradition is a mystical branch of Islam.
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SPEAKER_00: Sarah Curtis who came on a few weeks ago,
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SPEAKER_00: she's a Sufi,
24:17
SPEAKER_00: maybe she'll come back on and talk to us about it.
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SPEAKER_00: And in his poetry, he calls to us kind of through beyond our limiting beliefs.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: And he talks about being drunk in love with the divine and how,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: this love affair and this intimate connection with spirit and the divine.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why it's so resonant because for a lot of us, for me, definitely,
24:47
SPEAKER_00: My first experience of religion is school and Ari, kind of very dry and disconnected.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: And then it's just like,
24:57
SPEAKER_00: he just kind of like knocks all the tables down,
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SPEAKER_00: the desks and the chairs,
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SPEAKER_00: and comes up close with this warmth of spirit and soul and mystery and possibility,
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SPEAKER_00: which I just absolutely love.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's just have one more and then if we've got time, I'll do another one at the end.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: I've just taken my finger out when I say that.
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SPEAKER_00: What I mean is I've taken my finger out of the book because I was holding the page.
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SPEAKER_00: Here it is.
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SPEAKER_00: You embrace some form saying I am this.
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SPEAKER_00: By God you are not this or that or the other.
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SPEAKER_00: You are unique one, heart-ravishing.
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SPEAKER_00: You are throne and palace and king.
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SPEAKER_00: You are bird and snare and fowler, like water in jar and river are in essence the same.
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SPEAKER_00: You and spirit are the same.
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SPEAKER_00: Your every idol prostrates before you.
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SPEAKER_00: Your every thought form perishes in your formlessness.
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SPEAKER_00: And I chose that poem because I did feel when I first came to the teepee field
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SPEAKER_00: which I've been camping in for many,
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SPEAKER_00: many years with people that I've known for many,
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SPEAKER_00: many years.
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SPEAKER_00: But it still came up for me that I didn't quite fit in or that I wasn't wearing the
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SPEAKER_00: right clothes or did anyone like me or...
26:28
SPEAKER_00: I felt very awkward and then slowly this kind of awkwardness melted away.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think I'm going to read this poem before I perform next to remind myself of those things.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to read it again and then I'm going to take a few deep breaths and I'm
26:49
SPEAKER_00: going to start going into the Orpheus story.
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SPEAKER_00: It's all right with you, William.
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SPEAKER_00: You embrace some form, saying, I am this.
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SPEAKER_00: By God, you are not this, or that, or the other.
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SPEAKER_00: You are unique one, heart-ravishing.
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SPEAKER_00: You are throne and palace and king.
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SPEAKER_00: You are bird and snare and fowler, like water in jar and river are in essence the same.
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SPEAKER_00: You and spirit are the same.
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SPEAKER_00: Your every idol prostrates before you.
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SPEAKER_00: Your every thought form perishes in your formlessness.
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SPEAKER_00: It's another world.
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SPEAKER_00: This place that we raise up for a week out in the fields.
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SPEAKER_00: Every paw there's music.
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SPEAKER_00: Every moment there's music.
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SPEAKER_00: And he loved it, Orpheus.
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SPEAKER_00: Because music was the beginning for him.
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SPEAKER_00: Sound and listening.
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SPEAKER_00: The earth had a pulse.
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SPEAKER_00: and he heard it.
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SPEAKER_00: He could hear the resonance of every star.
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SPEAKER_00: He could hear the sound of all the flowers opening The yawning of the sun as it
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SPEAKER_00: rose in the morning The swooning of the moon
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SPEAKER_00: As it looked lovingly upon the earth And when they gave him the lyre When he could
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SPEAKER_00: recreate those sounds with his fingers That's when he really began to fall in love
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SPEAKER_00: with life
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SPEAKER_00: So he was invited to play this big festival.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: He'd heard of it, of course, in Somerset Massive.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: And he was a bit nervous and not quite sure what to pack.
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SPEAKER_00: He hadn't packed any toilet roll and had to pay dearly for that.
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SPEAKER_00: And he lugged his things with his precious lyre from the shuttle bus to the sea of tents.
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SPEAKER_00: And he saw people gathered around a fire and his fingers began to pulse and twitch
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SPEAKER_00: and he knew it was time to play.
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SPEAKER_00: And so he watched the fire dancing and the people smiling.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: He watched the letting go of the year from the lines in their faces.
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SPEAKER_00: He watched them shaking and dancing out all that they needed to.
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SPEAKER_00: He watched their feet sinking to the earth, grounded and landed.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: And then he saw her.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: His fingers began to shake a little, but he so longed to express her within the music that he played.
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SPEAKER_00: Their eyes met.
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SPEAKER_00: She smiled and he was emboldened with confidence so he played more.
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SPEAKER_00: It was love.
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SPEAKER_00: They danced.
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SPEAKER_00: They danced and they played and they danced and they swooned and they talked and
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SPEAKER_00: they danced and they played and they walked.
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SPEAKER_00: Deep, deep, deep connections.
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SPEAKER_00: Sparking and loving.
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SPEAKER_00: They knew, they knew.
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SPEAKER_00: Never had they felt such a love.
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SPEAKER_00: It just bloomed and blossomed golden out of them.
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SPEAKER_00: They roamed the whole place together Shangri-La,
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SPEAKER_00: Block 9 They roamed down to listen to music on huge stages and tiny stages and they
33:21
SPEAKER_00: ate falafels and they drank smoothies and they snuck backstage to this and that And
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SPEAKER_00: it went so quickly
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SPEAKER_00: whole time that they spent together it went so quickly and they found themselves on
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SPEAKER_00: the last night trying to savour every moment but also knowing that they were always
33:53
SPEAKER_00: always always going to be together and they went up to the stone circle as a way of
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SPEAKER_00: anchoring their love
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SPEAKER_00: As a way of celebrating their love in front of the mystery,
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SPEAKER_00: in front of the spirit,
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SPEAKER_00: as the way of feeling contained and held.
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SPEAKER_00: And they danced amongst the stones.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: And they laughed.
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SPEAKER_00: And she drank.
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SPEAKER_00: And someone passed her something and she drank and it tasted funny but...
34:31
SPEAKER_00: She couldn't speak.
34:33
SPEAKER_00: She couldn't say.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Before she knew it, everything was tightening and swelling.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: And she could feel herself closing down and shutting down.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: And he didn't know what was wrong.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: He didn't know what to say.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: He just watched her face.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: And down she shrank.
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SPEAKER_00: And in front of his very eyes, she just crumbled to the floor.
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SPEAKER_00: And there she lay, breathless, without a heartbeat, dead, on the earth.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: And Orpheus cried out.
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SPEAKER_00: Orpheus made a sound of such sorrow deep, deep, deep within him, a cry that cracked him so far open.
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SPEAKER_00: He made a sound that had never before been heard on this earth.
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SPEAKER_00: And he watched...
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SPEAKER_00: As she sank deeper and deeper into the earth The earth already opening itself up to
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SPEAKER_00: her like a grave But he wasn't going to let her go that easily,
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SPEAKER_00: no And he noticed that as he sang The earth opened a little more and a little more
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SPEAKER_00: in front of him
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SPEAKER_00: And as the earth opened, he stepped down and stepped down and stepped down.
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SPEAKER_00: Down, down he went.
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SPEAKER_00: Deep into the earth he went.
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SPEAKER_00: Following his love.
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SPEAKER_00: Following his dear, darling love.
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SPEAKER_00: And when he lost sight of her, he made a sound in the memory of the colour of her eyes.
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SPEAKER_00: He played the way her hair fell down her back.
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SPEAKER_00: He played her laughter, her clarity, her sweet open heart.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: And there were tunnels, so many tunnels.
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SPEAKER_00: And he saw glimpses of her this way and that,
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SPEAKER_00: and so he followed and followed and followed and followed and followed.
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SPEAKER_00: Down, down, down he went.
37:10
SPEAKER_00: Down and down and down he went, until he could go no further.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: There in front of him was a soaring cliff face, black and foreboding, barring his way.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: And as he looked up,
37:37
SPEAKER_00: up,
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SPEAKER_00: up,
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SPEAKER_00: up,
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SPEAKER_00: up,
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SPEAKER_00: up at this cliff face,
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SPEAKER_00: he would not let the feeling of hopelessness meet him.
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SPEAKER_00: He made music.
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SPEAKER_02: Terima kasih telah menonton
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SPEAKER_02: He played his love
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SPEAKER_00: He played his broken aching heart.
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SPEAKER_00: He played the depth of his grief.
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SPEAKER_00: He played the memory of the rarest love.
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SPEAKER_00: He was so absorbed with his own pain that he almost missed a single tear sliding
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SPEAKER_00: down the obsidian cliff face in front of him.
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SPEAKER_00: But suddenly he saw in front of him
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SPEAKER_00: the vast, still presence of Hades.
40:40
SPEAKER_00: And Hades,
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SPEAKER_00: so moved by this love,
40:43
SPEAKER_00: so moved by this tender depth,
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SPEAKER_00: this tenacious sound that had brought this man all the way down to the underworld
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SPEAKER_00: to find his love,
40:57
SPEAKER_00: He looked about him.
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SPEAKER_00: He wondered who amongst his people was the soul that this man was grieving.
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SPEAKER_00: And he saw her.
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SPEAKER_00: He saw the heart faint in her body.
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SPEAKER_00: He saw the places where their souls woven together.
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SPEAKER_00: And the life it moved him.
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SPEAKER_00: And he said, go, you both, go.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no place for this life here.
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SPEAKER_00: And he fixed his eye upon Orpheus and he said, Orpheus, you go.
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SPEAKER_00: Eurydice, she can follow.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't look back, Orpheus.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't look back.
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SPEAKER_00: So Orpheus strode, trusting that Eurydice was following.
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SPEAKER_02: Terima kasih telah menonton!
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SPEAKER_00: Sharon the ferryman arrived and his hand was outstretched for the passage.
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SPEAKER_00: But he soon bade them come on his boat when he heard the sounds of Orpheus.
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SPEAKER_00: It was passage enough.
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SPEAKER_00: Anophius didn't look back as he stepped back onto land and continued his journey up,
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SPEAKER_00: up,
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SPEAKER_00: up,
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SPEAKER_00: as he continued his journey up.
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SPEAKER_00: Darkness,
45:06
SPEAKER_00: after darkness,
45:08
SPEAKER_00: after darkness,
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SPEAKER_00: after darkness,
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SPEAKER_00: after darkness,
45:13
SPEAKER_00: after darkness,
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SPEAKER_00: after darkness,
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SPEAKER_00: and then...
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SPEAKER_00: There was light.
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SPEAKER_00: A tiny sliver.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: But still it blinded him.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: And he had to push forwards, pushing into the light, pushing up and out of the earth and into the light.
45:46
SPEAKER_00: And as he emerged, dawn broke over him.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: And he turned back.
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SPEAKER_00: We've made it.
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SPEAKER_00: He beckoned his dear one, his Eurydice.
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SPEAKER_00: But dust she turned to, as he turned.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: Dust she turned to, as he looked towards her.
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SPEAKER_00: And the ground zipped up around them.
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SPEAKER_00: Dilophius was left standing alone.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: Until Orpheus was left standing alone.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: I told this story by the children's fire in the teepee field and just told it to one person.
47:32
SPEAKER_00: And he cried as we came to the end, tears rolling down his face.
47:37
SPEAKER_00: And he said, that's right, because we can't look back.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: Even if you get back together with somebody, it's never the same.
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SPEAKER_00: If you start to recapture something that's in the past, you've lost it already.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: Don't look back.
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SPEAKER_00: And then feeling the courage in the moment to keep being present to ourselves.
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SPEAKER_00: To keep being fully present, fully in the moment, not looking forwards, not looking back.
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SPEAKER_00: Feeling what that's like.
48:28
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, William.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: That was great.
48:30
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: It's so cool.
48:34
SPEAKER_00: It's so cool to do stuff with you, really.
48:36
SPEAKER_00: I just feel totally blessed.
48:38
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: So, just ending, getting to the end of Glastonbury now, the sort of return, how it is to return.
48:55
SPEAKER_00: I had one more memory which I wanted to share, which was when three boys came
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SPEAKER_00: and said hide us,
49:07
SPEAKER_00: hide us and they told us that the security guards were coming after them because
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SPEAKER_00: they dug a tunnel and they'd started digging the tunnel a week before and then
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SPEAKER_00: they'd been interrupted and they kept going back to it I think three times they'd
49:22
SPEAKER_00: been caught and they kept going back to it and digging it until they dug our tunnel
49:27
SPEAKER_00: and I've no idea where from
49:31
SPEAKER_00: But that's what made me think about the Orpheus story and so that's why I told it that day.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: Thinking about all the tunnels that have been dug.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: And then on the last day, a young girl was kind of staggering outside my tent.
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SPEAKER_00: And she said that she'd done a lot of substances and she was a bit scared.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: And she'd come through a tunnel as well.
49:51
SPEAKER_00: And I said to her, you're totally safe, come and sit with me, you're totally safe.
49:55
SPEAKER_00: And she eventually fell asleep under my awning.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: and I went to get my car and whilst I'd gone to get my car actually the awning just
50:05
SPEAKER_00: fell completely on top of her hit her in the head so I want to say I don't remember
50:11
SPEAKER_00: your name whoever you are I hope that you haven't got a really mighty headache and
50:17
SPEAKER_00: that you're all fine and having a blessed journey out of the festival and so we're
50:24
SPEAKER_00: backing up and I'm hearing these conversations about
50:29
SPEAKER_00: isolation going back to that we'd had such an incredible shared experience and that
50:35
SPEAKER_00: people were feeling um daunted about coming back into their lives and feeling this
50:42
SPEAKER_00: separation in their lives um and William and I were talking about that a little bit
50:47
SPEAKER_00: earlier and you said have you got a lot of festivals to go to this summer what were
50:52
SPEAKER_03: you saying about it um no but i know this feeling really well because i've been
50:57
SPEAKER_03: like doing lots of festivals in my life and like yeah when you finally going back
51:03
SPEAKER_03: home after like uh during like camping place and all these things and like just
51:08
SPEAKER_03: this everyday life thing and like laughing all the time yeah that's
51:13
SPEAKER_00: yeah sort of cooking together and living around a fire and things being really
51:17
SPEAKER_00: simple and really communal and sharing yeah special isn't it so that got me
51:22
SPEAKER_00: thinking just as we finish off about collective nouns I was thinking about groups
51:31
SPEAKER_00: of things and so I was just making a list of collective nouns and I wonder it's a
51:39
SPEAKER_00: game I play sometimes because my
51:43
SPEAKER_00: sister-in-law said that the collective noun for our family was an overwhelm an
51:49
SPEAKER_00: overwhelm of moonies maybe we're quite loud and so yeah I often think about
51:58
SPEAKER_00: collective nouns I've got some written down here I wonder what you make of them a
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SPEAKER_00: bliss of flowers a mitten of snowballs an appreciation of listeners
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SPEAKER_00: visionary of artists, a strength of tribes, a listening of musicians, a soaring of singers,
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SPEAKER_00: A stink of toilets.
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SPEAKER_00: They're my class 3 collective nouns.
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SPEAKER_00: So, send me your collective nouns.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear them.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: If you've got any ideas for them, I'd love to hear your collective nouns.
52:44
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for listening.
52:46
SPEAKER_00: If you can recommend this podcast to one person this week, I'd be super, super, super grateful.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: Lots and lots and lots of love.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: uh yeah really looking forward to um catching up again with you next week william
53:01
SPEAKER_00: bless bless bless thank you so much for coming on thank you real pleasure real gift
53:07
SPEAKER_00: yeah it was such a pleasure for me too thank you so great bless you okay bye guys