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Ep. 65: CB Draft Prospects, Foye Extension & O-Zone Mailbag | Jags A.M. Podcast · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

• 0:16
  Speaker 1: Welcome in to jag Zam. I'm Kayannie Stevens. Are in
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: the month of April. Now free agency is behind us,
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: so now we're looking ahead to the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Now, Brian Sexson is off today John Oser
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  Speaker 1: is back with me here in studio. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: do a deep dive as we start looking into potential
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  Speaker 1: draft picks who may be coming to town and positions
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  Speaker 1: of interest. Our big thing, number one is twenty three days,
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: because there's twenty three days until the first day of
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  Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Now, a lot of US preps started
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  Speaker 1: months and months ago, but John, they're still looking into
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  Speaker 1: things right now. Talking to people. How much of this
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  Speaker 1: is set in stone at this point or is they're
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  Speaker 1: still room to move about who they're looking at.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think their thoughts and their research on guys
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  Speaker 2: is mostly set in stone. You're doing sort of punch
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  Speaker 2: out work now, if you will, still setting the board.
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  Speaker 2: Once they set that board, it's pretty much set in stone.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a couple of weeks down the road.
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  Speaker 2: The work actually started for a lot of these guys
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  Speaker 2: year year and a half ago. The area of scouts
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  Speaker 2: actually are already looking ahead to next year's draft, most
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  Speaker 2: likely with the setting of the board being done by
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  Speaker 2: sort of the upper level guys, Trent Balke and his posse,
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  Speaker 2: if you will.
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  Speaker 1: The posse is getting all in on the big board,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll have more on that as the week's come along,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk a little bit more about prospects later
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  Speaker 1: in the show. We do want to talk about our
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  Speaker 1: second big thing, though, which is an extension for Foya
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  Speaker 1: Lewis and the linebacker captain of this team. Last year
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  Speaker 1: was on the final year of a three year deal,
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  Speaker 1: but now we've seen a contract extension for him. John
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  Speaker 1: This was something we weren't really sure he had a
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  Speaker 1: big cap number this year, but now he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be around for a bit longer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's credit to him.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of free agents from the twenty twenty one
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  Speaker 2: class seman line to do this.
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  Speaker 3: Christian kirk Is the other guy comes in mind. This
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  Speaker 3: might be down the road.
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  Speaker 2: Usually players who sign big free agent contracts are two
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  Speaker 2: or three year players and don't really become part of
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  Speaker 2: your core. The Air exceptions to that, but that's sort
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  Speaker 2: of the norm. Foya Lucan led the league and tackled
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  Speaker 2: his first year with the Jags twenty twenty two, came
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  Speaker 2: close again last year, solid player, became a little more
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  Speaker 2: of a turnover guy last year. So he's locked up.
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  Speaker 2: He's part of the core of this team. And credit
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  Speaker 2: to him again, because that doesn't always happen with second
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  Speaker 2: contract free agents on new teams. He's now a Jaguar,
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  Speaker 2: I want to say for life, but for the long
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  Speaker 2: term doesn't always happen.
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  Speaker 1: Is this extension due to just what the performances we've
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  Speaker 1: seen on the field, or is it a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an indictment against those two other guys that they drafted
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  Speaker 1: just a year ago.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think as much to do with Devin Lloyd.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps Chad Muma. They may have.
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  Speaker 2: Looked at him as a possible replacement when they drafted
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  Speaker 2: him in twenty twenty two. I think the year was
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  Speaker 2: it all runs together. At my age, Ventrel Miller last
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  Speaker 2: year when he was drafted seemed like a guy who
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  Speaker 2: might be an inside back or starter at some point.
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  Speaker 3: And totally get on the field.
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  Speaker 2: Last year at all, he was hurt, so I think
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  Speaker 2: the circumstance and injury maybe more than an indictment.
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  Speaker 1: All right, freeze up some money and he'll be here
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  Speaker 1: to stay. So that's good leadership to have on this team.
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  Speaker 1: But speaking of that extension, there's another extension or new
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  Speaker 1: contract that hasn't gotten done a waiting game. We're still
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  Speaker 1: waiting on Josh Allen. And now with those twenty three
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  Speaker 1: days until the draft, John, we've talked about hoping this
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  Speaker 1: deal gets done before the draft. Is that still the
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  Speaker 1: plan or is this going to be something that dragged
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  Speaker 1: out even further.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure there's that much.
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  Speaker 2: You know, My experience with these is usually deadlines create deals.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's that much of a deadline
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  Speaker 2: before the draft because they've already gotten through the league year,
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  Speaker 2: so they're cap they're not trying to get under anything
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  Speaker 2: in any sort of deadline like that. The deadline or
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  Speaker 2: the pressure points might be more when they want to
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  Speaker 2: sign the rookie class or get other deals done that
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  Speaker 2: might prompt Josh. I don't know that the April twenty
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  Speaker 2: fifth start of the draft is a magic deadline beyond
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  Speaker 2: the fact that I think they'd like to get this
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  Speaker 2: done and get it in order and sort of know
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  Speaker 2: what these numbers are gonna look like. To me, the
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  Speaker 2: two numbers that might matter the most for the next
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  Speaker 2: five years, Josh's contract, in Trevor's contract. When it happens,
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  Speaker 2: those will sort of set the template to the tent poles,
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  Speaker 2: if you will.
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  Speaker 3: Everything else we worked around.
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  Speaker 2: That when they're that big, and that perhaps even unusual
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  Speaker 2: trying to get certain numbers in certain years. Sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: want to get that done before you start doing other things.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it gets done before July fifteenth. Don't
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  Speaker 2: really have a feel for any date beyond that with
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  Speaker 2: Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Josh Allen Contract Watch continues. We'll keep you
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  Speaker 1: an eye on that, keep you posted.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, we're going to look at
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  Speaker 1: some of the cornerback prospects for this year's draft and
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  Speaker 1: who the Jags might be targeting.
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  Speaker 1: back to jag zam here in the Hyundai studios, Kan
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  Speaker 1: Nannie Stevens, Brian Sexton not with us. We'll be back
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  Speaker 1: next week. But John Osier is back in studio, and
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: that's really all we need this time in the year, John,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: No problem, it.
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  Speaker 1: Is sor all you need anyway, it's all we need.
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  Speaker 1: Were worth.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk draft.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk draft because we're gonna dive into this for
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  Speaker 1: the next few weeks pretty much as we all try
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  Speaker 1: to guess what's gonna go down and probably get it very,
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  Speaker 1: very wrong. But we're gonna start with cornerbacks because that's
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  Speaker 1: a position we've talked about obviously, that's a skill position
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  Speaker 1: that you really only see maybe you know, a starting
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  Speaker 1: cornerback in the first round less she gets super lucky
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  Speaker 1: after the fact. So we're gonna look at some of
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  Speaker 1: the picks that we have not necessarily mocked to us,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, just kind of the top availability in
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  Speaker 1: the cornerback class this year.
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  Speaker 2: So well, first of all, on corner I think it's
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  Speaker 2: if you had to pick a position right now that
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  Speaker 2: makes the most sense for him, it feels like corners.
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  Speaker 2: Yet I know O lot of people are saying wide receiver,
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  Speaker 2: the people are saying offensive line corner.
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  Speaker 3: To me, it still feels like.
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  Speaker 2: They might not only take one in the first round,
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  Speaker 2: but might take one somewhere again.
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  Speaker 3: By Dave, I mean not.
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  Speaker 2: I say by day four, by round four, it feels
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  Speaker 2: like the biggest need, and it is a spot historically.
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  Speaker 2: The good news on that to me, sometimes offensive linemen
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  Speaker 2: can need more time, their certain positions need more time.
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  Speaker 2: Corner is a position where guys can often come in
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  Speaker 2: and be who they are right away.
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  Speaker 3: So it's good.
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  Speaker 1: It's a young man's position, right as we always say,
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  Speaker 1: so it's good to get some young blood in here.
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  Speaker 1: Quinyan and Mitchell is the guy from Toledo, which you
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  Speaker 1: don't se see a lot of Matt Conference guys necessarily,
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  Speaker 1: but that's someone where we're looking at. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: fall to seventeen, it might be something where you needed
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  Speaker 1: to trade up. But he's kind of the CB one,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, starting out of this class.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and came out of nowhere a little bit, has
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  Speaker 2: had a really good off season. He's a guy off
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  Speaker 2: So when you go to Toledo, people come in with questions.
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  Speaker 2: Everything you hear is that he's answered all those questions.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of the draft, seems right now like it
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  Speaker 2: might be a little surprising if he's there at seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: You sort of mentioned during the break trading up. Boy,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be surprised. If they trade up for a corner,
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  Speaker 2: mainly because there's so many sitting there sort of in
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  Speaker 2: the sweet in the sweet spot of number seventeen, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure there would be a trade up, But
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  Speaker 2: if you love a guy.
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  Speaker 3: Go get him fair.
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  Speaker 1: Cooper de John's probably one of the more versatile corners
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  Speaker 1: coming out of Iowa. He's someone that I think people
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  Speaker 1: think they could probably use in a multitude of ways.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe safety as well, but just that versatility. That's something
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  Speaker 1: we know. Trent Bulke likes a versatile player. But is
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  Speaker 1: that someone that you could see in the system or
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  Speaker 1: do you think maybe not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Caitlin Clark's off the board here, so.
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  Speaker 1: She's too expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, for what they need, versatility makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: The interesting at corner, you feel like Darby, who they've signed,
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Darby and Tyson Campbell are probably their outside corners
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  Speaker 2: next year, possibly wanting to play inside, but it.
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  Speaker 3: Would be interesting.
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  Speaker 2: The challenge for them, I think is trying to get
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  Speaker 2: a guy who can be a long term outside corner
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  Speaker 2: and play Nickel early. Cooper Jjohn with his versatility, could
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  Speaker 2: fit that. Again, it sort of feels like you may
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  Speaker 2: have to go up and get him at this point.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: He makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know that he'd be available when they're picking, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that versatility makes a lot of sense for him.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go over those two Alabama guys, Terry Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: Koley McKinstry one of those getting mocked to the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: quently that you've been seeing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Terry and Arnold has been mocked a lot. Kool
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  Speaker 2: Aid I don't know as much about. I haven't studied
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  Speaker 2: him quite as much. Terry and Arnold seems like the
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  Speaker 2: guy right now that people think will be available with
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  Speaker 2: fill in need. You know, there are people It's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting draft class for many positions with cornerby and one
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  Speaker 2: of them where there's so many guys that it might
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  Speaker 2: be a matter of how you think a guy fits
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  Speaker 2: rather than oh they didn't go get the quote best guy. Well,
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: there is a school thought here you can go get
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  Speaker 2: the best guy for what you need. With Terran and
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  Speaker 2: other players, there are people who think he might be
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  Speaker 2: the best corner in the draft, even though he's only
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  Speaker 2: ranked third or fourth right now. So it sounds like
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  Speaker 2: he's a fit. It sounds like he's a guy who
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: would work him and be available. I've probably seen him
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  Speaker 2: mocked more to the Jaguars than any other player.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe in the last two or three weeks, which means
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: means nothing.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: That means we're not going to get him.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably means nothing, probably what it means.
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  Speaker 1: And then finally we'll look at Clemson product Nate Wiggins.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: We've seen him kind of move up and down a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Is he someone that would fit the system
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  Speaker 1: as well?
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  Speaker 3: Or well, good, good, good player.
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  Speaker 2: Uh again, I have not sit here and poured through
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  Speaker 2: tape on on Nate Wiggins or any of these guys,
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  Speaker 2: but from what you hear, the size you even see
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  Speaker 2: right there.
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: I never want to call an NFL player frail because
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: it's not that, but his size and frame.
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  Speaker 2: Would it's going to scare some teams, and you wonder
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  Speaker 2: if he fits When this team is getting ready to
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: move to an aggressive man, demand guard the short pass,
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: be physical, you wonder if that fits what they.
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: Want to do.
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  Speaker 2: If he's the guy there, there's fit. And then there's
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: also the case of well, you don't want to pay
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: us on good players. So not ruling Nate Wagans out,
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: but the frame is what you hear pundits talk about
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  Speaker 2: with Nate Wagans and the Jags.
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  Speaker 1: Very good. Those are the top five we've got for cornerbacks.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be looking at different positions the next
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: coming weeks. We'll look at a different position group and
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  Speaker 1: what we think the Jags are going to be looking
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  Speaker 1: at and the top prospects for that.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: Stay with us though.
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: We've got Ozone mail bag questions for you after the break.
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  Speaker 1: We're do some ozone mail bag questions because John we
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: need your answers on all of the things.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, uh, I guess you did, Yes we do.
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  Speaker 1: Our first question is about the offensive line. There's been
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of changes to that from what we've seen
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  Speaker 1: so far. So Daniel from Johnston, Iowa wants to know
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of iowant today. Are you satisfied with the
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: efforts made on fixing the O line thus far? He says,
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  Speaker 1: not convinced yet.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not satisfied or unsatisfied. I guess I wasn't sure
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  Speaker 2: what to expect. I thought that going into the off season,
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: I thought that they might move on from Brandon Sheriff.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: He his salary cap. That's the one thing that didn't
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: happen that I thought might happen. So I don't know
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: necessarily that they think they should have because he's a
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: good veteran player. I don't know that he's in the
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: prime of his career anymore, but he certainly you can
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: get by with good veteran guards you know how to play,
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: and he does. Beyond that, they resigned, I mean, they
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: signed Mitch Morse, they resigned Ezra Cleveland. And I think
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: the important thing to remember about Ezra Cleveland. Everybody wants
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: to look at at what the Jaguars didn't say, Well,
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: they only did one thing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that we actually saw.
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  Speaker 2: What Ezra Cleveland can really bring. Last year he played
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: five games. It never felt like he got in and
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  Speaker 2: got into a rhythm. He was in and out of
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  Speaker 2: the lineup.
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  Speaker 3: Not his fault at all.
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  Speaker 2: So there thought clearly is Cameraroms can go into his
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  Speaker 2: eighth year.
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Sheriff going.
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  Speaker 2: Into his tenth, Mitch Morse going into his tenth, and.
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  Speaker 3: Ezra Cleveland I believe going into his fifth or sixth.
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  Speaker 2: Fifth, maybe well the left side of that or the
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  Speaker 2: first three guys I mentioned. That's a little old for
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: my taste, but they clearly look at it and say
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  Speaker 2: we can get there. This is a veteran line who
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  Speaker 2: knows what they're doing. They believe that there will be
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  Speaker 2: continuity there. Age makes me wonder about the continuity. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the risk in the continuity card. But you
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: have to believe in something right now. They believe in
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  Speaker 2: continuity veteran that this bunch can go do it. To
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  Speaker 2: their credit, they also have some depth. They have Walker
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  Speaker 2: Little there. You believe they'll have Luke Fortner. I also
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  Speaker 2: think that somewhere on the first two days of the draft,
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  Speaker 2: I think you could see this position to dress to
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: get younger because Cam and Walker Little both in their
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: last year of their contract, and with Morrison Sheriff being
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: tenth of your guys, they need to draft and get
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  Speaker 2: younger behind this now. But if they say healthy, it
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: can work. I think that's the big key. Can an
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  Speaker 2: older line that hasn't been healthy in the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of seasons, stay healthy. To me, that's the storyline to
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: wash the offensive.
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  Speaker 1: Line, health will certainly be an issue. We saw a
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: lot of different lineups last year, so hopefully we can
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: avoid that this season. Second question we have for you
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  Speaker 1: here today is going to be about two of the
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: defensive backs because we were just talking about cornerback. But
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: would you offer an extension to safety Andre Cisco or
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: cornerback Tyson Campbell this offseason to void an inflated number
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  Speaker 1: after a possible Pro Bowl season this year?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you can. I like both guys
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm pulling form to be core NFL players
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  Speaker 2: that you pay. I think they have the potential to
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  Speaker 2: be that, because I am I. I think they have
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  Speaker 2: the potential to be that. I don't know that they've
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  Speaker 2: shown enough of that yet to go sign them to
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: long term deals.
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  Speaker 1: And they may not want that yet because you want
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: to prove yourself. You want to have a great season
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: before you sign that long term deal, because you might
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  Speaker 1: not get that money that you're expecting. I think if
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: they were to give them an offer, it's probably not
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  Speaker 1: going to be the money of them would want right now.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what they ran into.
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  Speaker 2: If you remember with Josh Allen last year, Yep, Jaywarsy've
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: got a lot of criticism for not signing Josh to
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: a long term deal when the bargain was there, when
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: you or when it was affordable. I never got the
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: idea at all ever, talking to Josh that he thought
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: that he had earned the long term deal that he
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: believed he was capable of, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: I believe he knew he.
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  Speaker 2: Was worth it, but also from a league point of view,
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  Speaker 2: he hadn't shown that, so there was no way that
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  Speaker 2: was going to get done before this offseason. I kind
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  Speaker 2: of feel like to a lesser degree, Cisco and Campbell
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  Speaker 2: I don't think. I'm not sure that they are players
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: who will reach Josh's level at his position, But even so,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any rush to do it, and frankly,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be a risk to do it at
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: this point, and I would be surprised if it was
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: on the table.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think it is on the table. I think
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: that's definitely something they'll look at next year, and I
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: would imagine they would want to play a full, healthy
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: season both of those players to hopefully get their highest value.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Our final question today for the Ozone Nail Guy is
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: coming from Art in New Jersey says, I think the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: new kickoff rules will be fun. Do you think they
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: will lead to more running backs returning kicks?
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My first thing was to say no because of the
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: injury factor, and then I sort of rethought it a
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: little bit and read a little bit more about it,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and it could. I don't think the Jaguars will use
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Travis etn in that role unless.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Devin Durbiny were already get hurt, but it does.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: The reason that running backs hadn't been used before was
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: he didn't want to risk your star players for injuries.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Now I do think you could see more quote star
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: players playing back there. For the Jaguars, They've already got
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: their star returner, so it's gonna be interesting. I don't
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: know that we know the answer to this question yet.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I think it will evolve next season, but I think
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: you could get back to a point where teams are
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: putting Back in the day when Washington was really good,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: they would put Darryl Green back there, who was an
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: all Pro cornerback, and when they needed it, they would
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: put him back on kicks.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: It was mainly punts.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: But point being, if you take the injury risk out
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: of it, and it does look like this new format
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: will significantly take the injury risk away from the returner,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: then maybe you we'll see more running backs.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: You watch some of the setups they have for XFL
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and stuff. It just looks so strange. But I'm very
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: excited to see that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: But it looks like the pace once they get going,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: it does look strange, but the pace does feel more
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: like a running back's pace, if that makes any sense. Yes,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: because you're sort of starting more from a standing position.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: You're kind of building accelerate. Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think a lot of this it is
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to be played out. It'll take some innovative coach to
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: do something that'll work.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: People will follow it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: This is a good change I think we can agree on.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I think it'll be fun at least at least a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: little bit different. Not I feel like every time we
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: get a rule change, we're always complaining. With this one,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of interested.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: In well credited for trying something because the kickoff had
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: been taken out of the game. The shame is that
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I I've yet to see anything that can bring the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: on side kickback because the danger and I think the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: on side kicked the way they've got it having to
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: tell teams you're going to do it and you're.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Sort of silly.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: But they'll figure out a way to bring that element back,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: maybe the fourth and twenty five past they've been talking about.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: But I do think this will add more excitement. It
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: had gotten to the point where we're sitting in the
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: press box and each other guy, we don't even bother
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: watching the kickoff.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: You know, so then you sit down there, go get
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a coffee.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: That kind of stinks, So I think it'd be a
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: good thing to get it back.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: All right, say what's here on Jagzam. We'll be right
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: back after the break from the Hyundai studios here for
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Jagsam closing things out. We mentioned off the top of
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the show it's t minus twenty three days until the draft.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: We're in full draft mode.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: John.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: What does that mean for you? Are you looking into
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: all of these particular players or are you still trying
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to figure out Well.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I look at the first round realistically. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: always kind of laugh when I see seven round mock.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Drafts because they need to tell me the lottery numbers
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: if they can get all that well, the.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: First rounds darted aboard anyway, and then once you get
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: into the sixth round, for me to try to figure
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: out who they might take in the sixth round. You know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: more power too if you can figure it out. But
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: it's it's mainly trying to look at positions and trying
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to get a feel for conceptually what they might do.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not one to ever think you can grade a draft,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: especially right out of the box, but I think you
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: can get a feel for did a team do what
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: they wanted to do? Did they go need over best
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: available player? Which I think is always dangerous, especially as
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you get deeper in the draft. So it's things like
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that I try to figure out rather than trying to
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: get into the seventh round.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Defensive end talked.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: A little bit about trading for picks. Trent Bulk stockpiled
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a bunch of them last year. They have eight this year.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Is this something where if they were going to trade
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: up maybe try to get higher in first or second round.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Would that be something we see now wish or would
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that be closer to actual drafts?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Well, if you're gonna do the first round and you
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: have an early pick, you often see it. Now, You
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: rarely see it deep in the draft until the draft
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: because teams are usually trading up to somebody involved is
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: usually trading up to go.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Get a specific player.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: So if you're Trent right now and you're sitting at seventeen,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: is it worth it to try to go up to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: nine when theoretically the guy that you're trying to go
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: up and get could be gone.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: So you usually don't see that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I think when Sammy Watkins got traded for it's been
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: ten eleven years now, they knew they were gonna make
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that trade.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: My understanding is, but they had.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: To wait until a couple of guys got off the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: board to make sure he was going to be available
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to get there, And that's that's sort of the common
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: thing is I think magical about the Sammy Watkins story.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: One interesting thing about this draft, it is not considered
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: a very deep draft. Last year's was maybe the deepest ever.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Next year is supposed to be very very deep. This
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: year is not considered great in the sixth or seventh round,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: so that can.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Play into.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: It can theoretically make trading more difficult because people really
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: don't care about getting anything. Then so you're not really
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: going to be getting people to give up anything to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: get into those rounds.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: So will that play out that way?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Probably not, because usually once guys get into the sixty
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: seventh round, they figure out something that they like and
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: they get antsy and they want to trade.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: But not considered a very deep drift.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will deep dive into this. As
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: we mentioned, we're going to be talking about it for
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the next twenty three days, so we'll keep you covered there.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: We'll see you back here next week on jag Zam.