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The 50 States of Conspiracy: Michigan · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Wait, what is this? What is he doing with the pirachis?
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  Speaker 2: Are you crazy? What is he doing with the pirachis?
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  Speaker 1: What is he doing with the pirachis?
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  Speaker 2: What is he doing with the pirachis?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Todd Brown. Joining me as guest co-host this week,
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  Speaker 1: hailing from the mostly great state of Michigan, John Lewis
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  Speaker 1: is here. How's it going, man?
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  Speaker 2: All right. What up, though? Conspiracy The Show. Keep your
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  Speaker 2: third eye open.
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  Speaker 1: Always. Standard policy around here. We are continuing our 50
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  Speaker 1: States of Conspiracy series. Again, with the great state of Michigan. John,
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  Speaker 1: how excited are you for America's 250th birthday? You just
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  Speaker 1: celebrating all year?
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  Speaker 2: I guess. I feel like if we get enough people,
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  Speaker 2: we could trade out 4th of July for Juneteenth and
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  Speaker 2: just make that a big thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or if nothing else, why not both? We do
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  Speaker 1: Christmas and Thanksgiving so close together. We could just have
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  Speaker 1: two fucking backyard cookout holidays like a month apart. That
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  Speaker 1: would be great.
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  Speaker 2: We need a parade or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs to be a bigger deal. You would
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  Speaker 1: have to be a stone cold racist for someone to
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  Speaker 1: slide a potential extra day off for everybody across the table.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, no, no. Like that's Arizona not celebrating
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  Speaker 1: Martin Luther King's birthday shit right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was trying to remember what state that was.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't they threaten to like take away some the Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl or something like that? It was something one of
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  Speaker 2: the some corporation was like, well, we're just going to
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  Speaker 2: take it away. It was like, all right, we're cool.
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  Speaker 2: We're cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Public Enemy has a fantastic song about it. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: by the time I get to Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: And white allies, I'm still waiting for you all to
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  Speaker 2: talk to the emoji people. We still can't even get
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  Speaker 2: a red, black, green flag either. Or we'll take the
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  Speaker 2: pan-African flag or the lesser known African-American flag. We can't
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  Speaker 2: get in. We still ain't got our own emoji. Come on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no lie. I feel like we have a solution here.
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  Speaker 1: Alex Schmidt actually.
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  Speaker 2: Schmitty the Clown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he actually got a new emoji approved. There was
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  Speaker 1: not a bison emoji, and he somehow went through the
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  Speaker 1: fucking emoji approval process and got a bison emoji approved.
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  Speaker 1: Let's find out how he did it and make you
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  Speaker 1: a fucking black icon by getting the red, black, and
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  Speaker 1: green flag turned into an emoji.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for now, the closest thing we got is the
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  Speaker 2: checkered flag emoji, which... Uh, it's the, it's the victory lap.
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  Speaker 2: So like people, when people think of that, it's, it's
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  Speaker 2: Nipsey Hussle. Like that's the closest thing. Like the people,
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  Speaker 2: like folks that I want to put the American flag
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  Speaker 2: emoji and they think you see a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: with the, uh, Nipsey Hussle. And that's like literally the
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  Speaker 2: closest thing we have to a black emoji flag.
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  Speaker 1: That feels like insider knowledge. I did not have before.
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  Speaker 1: Now I know what the checkered flag would mean. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we'll work on that. We're going to make it happen
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  Speaker 1: till then. We're talking about Michigan, uh, related conspiracies. Had
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  Speaker 1: you heard of most of the stuff we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: today or was it all kind of new?
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  Speaker 2: Some of them, the Kwame Kilpatrick one I knew about,
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  Speaker 2: Kwame Kilpatrick one. And outside of that seat, Detroit and
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  Speaker 2: the big cities, we don't really acknowledge the rest of Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: People go up north or white folks, they like to
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  Speaker 2: go up north to hunt. But like for tourist stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you have Traverse City. I've never been there. But that's
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  Speaker 2: up north. And what's the place with the fudge? Some
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  Speaker 2: other place that people vacation at. But if you want
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  Speaker 2: to go do something in Detroit, you can drive 10
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  Speaker 2: minutes to Windsor, Ohio, or you really just take a
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  Speaker 2: short little drive to Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like most places in the Midwest, outside of a
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  Speaker 2: couple of small areas, it ain't really too open to
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  Speaker 2: black folks. We ain't really trying to travel up north.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a thing where you from? Like when white
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  Speaker 2: folks say they just say we're going up north or
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  Speaker 2: is that just a Michigan thing?
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  Speaker 1: I think it probably varies from state to state, but
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  Speaker 1: you didn't really get that in Illinois. Illinois is different
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  Speaker 1: in that even the small towns tend to not just
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  Speaker 1: be all white. Like in Illinois, you got Rockford, Beloit,
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  Speaker 1: the Quad Cities. Illinois is part of the Quad Cities,
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  Speaker 1: which is also like Davenport, Iowa. All of those places
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  Speaker 1: you would think, well, it's in Iowa. It's a small
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  Speaker 1: town that must just be all fucking hicks and rednecks. No,
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  Speaker 1: you can get shot in Davenport, Iowa, for sure. It's
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  Speaker 1: the Midwest, but it is mostly like what you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about in the Midwest. I think people on the coasts
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  Speaker 1: Think of the Midwest as all of the areas of
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  Speaker 1: Michigan except Detroit or all of the areas of Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: except Minneapolis. That's what people think of when they think
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  Speaker 1: of the Midwest. And then they forget, well, Chicago's in
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  Speaker 1: the Midwest. St. Louis is in the Midwest. Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: Indiana. Gary, Indiana. Jackson's are from.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gary, Indiana, Indianapolis, Indiana. I mean, there are obviously
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  Speaker 1: huge cities in the Midwest. And yeah, if you live
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  Speaker 1: in one of those bigger cities, the smaller places around
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  Speaker 1: don't hold much appeal in terms of visiting. You just
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  Speaker 1: want to go to another big city.
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  Speaker 2: Mackinac Island, that's the area I was thinking about. like
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  Speaker 2: older people like like it's super expensive to buy a
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  Speaker 2: house there but yeah like it's an area mission called
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  Speaker 2: mackinac island you drive as far north as you can
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  Speaker 2: then you actually got to catch like a ferry to
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  Speaker 2: the little it's like an island uh like a little
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  Speaker 2: touristy area i've never been there But I don't like
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  Speaker 2: traveling much on Michigan. Plus, like Michigan, if you ever
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  Speaker 2: look at a map, like 90 percent of the state
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  Speaker 2: doesn't realize the UP is Michigan. Like that part of
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  Speaker 2: it looks like a fish above the glove on the map.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. My only familiarity with the UP, I was in
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  Speaker 1: my very early 20s flirting with a Hooters waitress and
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  Speaker 1: she was like, oh, I'm from Michigan. And I was like, oh, shit,
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  Speaker 1: me too. She was like, what part? I was like,
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  Speaker 1: the UP. She was like, oh, me too. What part?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just joking. I'm from Illinois. That's as much as
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  Speaker 1: I know about the UP.
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  Speaker 2: It's basically Canada. I don't even know if they have
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  Speaker 2: real airports up there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like American Canada, basically. So I guess
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  Speaker 1: northern Michigan makes a pretty decent segue into the first
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy that that we're going to talk about. We normally
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  Speaker 1: start these off with the older, more historical and established
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So let's travel back in time a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. John, have you ever heard of the Protocols
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  Speaker 1: of the Elders of Zion?
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  Speaker 2: Only from this podcast, but it also kind of sounds
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  Speaker 2: like a knockoff Power Rangers spinoff from the 90s. Like
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  Speaker 2: you have all them TV shows like the fake ass
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  Speaker 2: Ninja Turtles with just way too many words. It sounds
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  Speaker 2: like it could have been a Fox Kids show. TV show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a wild ass title. And I've never
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  Speaker 1: read the book because I'm not a fucking Nazi, but
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  Speaker 1: it was published in 1903. Still circulates to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Most widespread anti-Semitic publication of modern times. All the greatest
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  Speaker 1: hits when it comes to Jews control the world. conspiracies.
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  Speaker 1: It's been debunked time and time again, was already known
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  Speaker 1: to be nonsense by the time Hitler and the Nazis
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  Speaker 1: started using it to sell their bullshit. in Germany. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason it is tied to the state of Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: Henry Ford still gets fawned over for his business acumen
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  Speaker 1: and for literally founding the American auto industry. But what
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  Speaker 1: the truck commercials bring up way less is that he
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  Speaker 1: was a vehement, hard carrying Nazi level anti-Semite. Does this
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  Speaker 1: come up much in Michigan? Does Henry Ford at all
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  Speaker 1: come up much.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Lions play at Ford Field. So, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Ford is still a big thing out here. It employs
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  Speaker 2: a shit ton of people. But yeah, I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: have name it like that's how long a money is.
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  Speaker 2: They own the Lions and bought the name of rights
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  Speaker 2: to their own stadium. I'm pretty sure that's the only
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  Speaker 2: professional sports stadium that does that.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like borderline money laundering. Should you even be
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  Speaker 1: allowed to buy the naming rights to your own stadium?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But also, fun fact, they have the
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  Speaker 2: naming rights to the Dallas Cowboys practice. Because I remember
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  Speaker 2: watching Hard Knocks and... They practice at Ford practice stadium
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  Speaker 2: or something like that. That's how long the Ford's money is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. And yeah, I never thought about that.
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  Speaker 1: The Detroit Lions do play in a stadium named after
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  Speaker 1: a straight up fucking Nazi.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, it's not that Ford. It's the grandson. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Different Ford. Different Ford.
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  Speaker 2: It's not Henry Ford for you.
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  Speaker 1: Along with owning Ford Motor Company, he owned the Dearborn
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  Speaker 1: Independent Newspaper. And he used that newspaper to spread all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of wild and inflammatory claims about Jews and their
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  Speaker 1: alleged domination over the whole entire world. He was like
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  Speaker 1: the MAGA ideal, hated Jews, hated immigrants, presumably hated black people,
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  Speaker 1: but also a for real pacifist who wanted the United
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  Speaker 1: States to stay out of all international conflicts. So very
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  Speaker 1: much the isolationist Trump pretended to be to get votes,
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  Speaker 1: but that he is proving not to be. He very famously,
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  Speaker 1: when World War I broke out, made a peace mission
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  Speaker 1: to Europe to try and talk all of the warring
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  Speaker 1: nations into standing down and committing to peace. And it
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  Speaker 1: went really, really bad. It did not work at all.
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  Speaker 1: People made fun of him for it. The media called
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  Speaker 1: it the ship of fools. And he came back to
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  Speaker 1: America and decided that was the Jews' fault. So he,
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  Speaker 1: in 1920, started publishing this series called The American Jew
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  Speaker 1: in the Dearborn Independent. And it was basically rewrites of
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  Speaker 1: the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It included stuff
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  Speaker 1: like Jewish Control of the American Press, published September 11th, 1920,
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  Speaker 1: and How Jews Degraded Baseball, published September 10th, 1921. I
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  Speaker 1: bet that's not Protocols of Elders of Zion original.
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  Speaker 2: He was just he was just a traditionalist. Jews with
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  Speaker 2: a tricky pitching. What if his what if his daily
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  Speaker 2: day was just like a cop, like a comic, like
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  Speaker 2: how the Jews controlled the media, but it was actually
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  Speaker 2: kind of funny. I mean, aside from anti-Semitism, he's a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good writer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's possible the Nazis have Lenny Riefenstahl.
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  Speaker 1: She knew how to make a fucking good looking film
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  Speaker 1: about the worst goddamn people of all time. Yeah. I wonder,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be interested to read how Jews degraded baseball. Did
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  Speaker 1: he live to see Jackie Robinson?
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  Speaker 2: I wonder. This also seems like the type of thing
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  Speaker 2: you would have heard about in a Wu-Tang album, like
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  Speaker 2: the elders or the whatever it is. Zion. It sounded
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  Speaker 2: like some Wu-Tang five percenter shit too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Like the, intro to that gravel pit song
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  Speaker 1: where it's just a guy talking about how a evil
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  Speaker 1: black scientist created white people in a lab it's my
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  Speaker 1: favorite shit you yacoub maker and creator of the devil
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  Speaker 1: swine merchant.
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  Speaker 2: Yacoub looks like a marvel character like the like somebody
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  Speaker 2: the incredible hawk will bite will fight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he should have a comic book that would be
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  Speaker 1: fucking great i'm Bet there's a Yacoub comic book somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Creating white people is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Someone in a bow tie will sell you a fucking
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  Speaker 1: Yacoub comic book. You find the right street corner, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: So he suspended the American Jew series in 1922 for
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  Speaker 1: reasons still unknown, but kept pushing anti-Semitic content. Was eventually
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  Speaker 1: hit with a libel lawsuit after his paper accused a
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  Speaker 1: California farmer named Aaron Shapiro of being, quote, part of
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  Speaker 1: a larger Jewish conspiracy to control American farmers. End quote.
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  Speaker 1: The lawsuit ended in a mistrial, but it spooked him
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  Speaker 1: enough that he quietly agreed to settle out of court,
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  Speaker 1: had an apology drafted by Lewis Marshall, an attorney and
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  Speaker 1: leading voice for Jewish and minority rights in the U.S.,
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  Speaker 1: and had that apology published in several newspapers across the
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  Speaker 1: United States, except the Dearborn Independent, which just published an
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  Speaker 1: article saying he had nothing to do with anti-Semitism. And
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  Speaker 1: it was all the work of the person who wrote it. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how closely this is related, but Dearborn
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  Speaker 2: is famously the largest concentration of Middle Eastern and Muslims
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  Speaker 2: outside the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know. Maybe he sent out a smoke
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  Speaker 2: signal like, come out here. I don't know. I think
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  Speaker 2: we don't talk about this stuff because Henry Ford being
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  Speaker 2: anti-Semitic was kind of like being racist in the 1920s.
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  Speaker 2: It's just expected. So people are like, hey, that's what
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  Speaker 2: it was back then.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing. It now makes him sound like some
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  Speaker 1: kind of outlier. But there was an American Nazi party
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  Speaker 1: by the time World War Two happened. There's that really
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  Speaker 1: famous rally they held at Madison Square Garden that was
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  Speaker 1: fucking packed. I don't think Trump could pack Madison Square
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  Speaker 1: Garden right now.
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  Speaker 2: They probably sold to no Jews and no blacks signs
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  Speaker 2: in like a two pack. Restaurants.
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  Speaker 1: So this next one, the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa. This
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  Speaker 1: is another one that could be a whole entire series.
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  Speaker 1: Is this the thing people even still talk about in Michigan?
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  Speaker 2: Every five years, they'll go dig some shit up and
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  Speaker 2: it'd be on the news. And I'm like, stop wasting
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  Speaker 2: your time. The most believable conspiracy or not even the conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: The most believable version I've heard is that the mafia
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  Speaker 2: incinerated his body so they can never find it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why if you're in that business where
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  Speaker 1: you're needing to kill a lot of people, why don't
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  Speaker 1: you just have an incinerator? That feels like standard operating procedure.
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  Speaker 1: Like you buy your weapons or your drugs that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to sell. You get your fucking henchmen in place
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  Speaker 1: and you buy a fucking machine to dispose of bodies.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it probably is a lot of work, though. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it probably takes a long time. Sometimes it's just easier
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  Speaker 2: to bury a guy 90 miles away. But yeah, they're
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  Speaker 2: never going to find his body. I'm pretty sure it
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  Speaker 2: got incinerated. Like somebody that had that much heat on him,
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  Speaker 2: like we've seen in Goodfellas, they went and dug up
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  Speaker 2: a body that they buried nine months ago to move it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are so many theories about what happened to
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  Speaker 1: this dude. For people who are unfamiliar, he was the
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  Speaker 1: president of the Teamsters Union. from 1957 to 1971. So
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  Speaker 1: you know he was heavily mob-connected. He was convicted of
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  Speaker 1: jury tampering, attempted bribery, and conspiracy, hey, in 1964, and
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  Speaker 1: went to prison on a 13-year sentence in 1967. But
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  Speaker 1: he was released in 71 because he was rich and white,
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  Speaker 1: and he got a commutation agreement from Richard Nixon. But
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  Speaker 1: he did have to resign as president of the Teamsters.
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  Speaker 1: was barred from union activities until 1980, but he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to retake leadership of the Teamsters. And apparently his mafia
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  Speaker 1: friends were very, very opposed to this. One mobster he
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  Speaker 1: asked for help in getting his old job back, Anthony Provenzano,
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  Speaker 1: was so opposed to the idea that he threatened to
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  Speaker 1: pull out his guts or kill his grandchildren. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think it was like a choice? Like, which would you prefer?
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  Speaker 1: Or was it just like whatever opportunity presented itself first?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, man. That's a lot of work
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  Speaker 2: for a mobster to pull out someone's guts.
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  Speaker 1: And if it is a choice... Which choice are you taking?
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to pull my guts out or kill
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  Speaker 1: the grandchildren?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I would imagine they'll shoot you first. Maybe that
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  Speaker 2: maybe you go quick and then he do it because
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is he going to pull the grandchildren's guts out
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  Speaker 1: if I go grandchildren? Because then, yeah, I'm probably going
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  Speaker 1: to go me. But like if he's just going to
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  Speaker 1: hit him with like a shellfish toxin gun, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You can make more grandchildren.
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  Speaker 2: But it's true.
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  Speaker 1: There's only one me. You know, who knows?
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever see the Irishman at Garbage ass five
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  Speaker 2: hour movie that went to Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm not made of free time. I didn't watch it.
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  Speaker 2: It was way too long and not good enough. I
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  Speaker 2: know like half of it took place in Michigan because
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  Speaker 2: it's about Jimmy Hoffa. And it was in the news.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, the restaurant that Jimmy Hoffa was last
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  Speaker 2: seen that is still around. I don't even know what
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  Speaker 2: restaurant that was. But yeah, that's somewhere in Inkster, maybe
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  Speaker 2: I think. I can't remember. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They name in one of the sources we linked to,
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  Speaker 1: they named the restaurant. I didn't put it in the notes, though.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, he was last seen July 30th, 1975. He
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  Speaker 1: had a lunch meeting with Anthony Provenzano and another mobster,
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Giacalone. And they had this meeting planned at a restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: Meeting was supposed to be at 2, but Hoffa called
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  Speaker 1: his wife from a payphone around 2.15, angry that They
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  Speaker 1: had not shown up and he was stood up, made
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  Speaker 1: another call to someone else making that same complaint later.
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  Speaker 1: But exactly what time that call happened seems to be
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  Speaker 1: in dispute. Either way, that's the last anyone heard from him.
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  Speaker 1: No one knows where he is. My favorite theory about
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  Speaker 1: where his body is, is that he's buried under the
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  Speaker 1: Pontiac Silverdome.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I think they tore that shit down. I know nothing's
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: been there for years. I think they might have tore
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: it down a couple of years ago.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you might be right.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Because Pontiac is a fucking awful city. That's another one
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: of them small cities that's far enough from Detroit to
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: be annoying. Like, there's absolutely nothing. That's one of the
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: best things they did, move the Lions to the city.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: They tried several different times to demolish the Pontiac Silverdome.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: They tried on December 3rd, and it failed. Okay.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe he is there, because that place might be haunted.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I might want to redo my incinerated theory there. He
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: might be there and just haunting it until somebody finds
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: his body.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: December 4th, they managed a second successful implosion using a
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: larger amount of explosives. My favorite theory about what happened
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: to Jimmy Hoffa. This is one of the most underrated documentaries,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I think, of all time, along with the one that
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: clearly proves Jim Morrison from the doors is still alive.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: He's in it. He's in the documentary. Me and Connor
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: covered it. Go back and listen to the episode, everybody.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: But there is a documentary about this serial killer named
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Edward Wayne Edwards, which right off the bat, what a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: great name for a serial killer.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I know like 50 percent of names sound
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: weird if you say the first made it will last.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: But that is a serial killer's name.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And this dude was a serial killer's serial killer. Like,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: he was the serial killer serial killers want to be.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: He's definitely been convicted of other crimes. He's dead now.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: But his son, one, is convinced that Edward Wayne Edwards
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: was the Zodiac killer. The documentary, one of the reasons
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I say it's one of the most underrated documentaries, this
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: kid has his dad's DNA. And the San Francisco PD...
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: has the Zodiac killer's DNA. And this documentary ends with
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: this kid reaching out to the San Francisco PD and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: being like, hey, you want to run my dad's DNA
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and see if maybe he's the Zodiac killer? And they
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: never respond. To this day, they have never compared this
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: DNA to see if this kid is right. So that's frustrating.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: But he thinks his dad was the Zodiac Killer, the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Atlanta Child Murderer, He makes a really fucking strong case
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: for that, too. And he thinks his dad killed Jimmy Hoffa.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: His reasoning for that, and he's apparently, all of this
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: is true, his dad and Jimmy Hoffa were cellmates in prison.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: And Jimmy Hoffa gave Edward Wayne Edwards a job when
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Edward Wayne Edwards got out of prison. So if nothing else,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Hoffa had a confirmed fucking serial killer in his
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: inner circle when he disappeared. And according... to Edward Wayne
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Edwards' kid, his dad was a killer of opportunity. And
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: if he saw an opportunity to kill someone and get
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: away with it, he would take it. And he would
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: have absolutely seen all of this tension with Jimmy Hoffa
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and the mafia if he had known he was on
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: his way to this meeting. This kid is like, that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: is absolutely a point where my dad would pull a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: motherfucker aside and murder them and get away with it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And I don't know. He makes a pretty fucking compelling case.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Random. But you notice some names you just don't run
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: into the wild. I've never ran into a Hoffa outside
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of Jimmy Hoffa. I've never met a Hoffa in real life.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I have either because it's not
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like I've never met a Hitler. But that makes sense.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Like before World War Two, there were a bunch of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Hitlers in the New York City phone book. And after
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: World War Two, there were not. People just changed their
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: name or fucking went private with that shit. But Hoffa,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you would think maybe he'd have some famous kids or something,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but there's none of that. Legacy just died with him.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just one of so many theories about
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: what happened to Jimmy Hoffa.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Why do you think his is so famous? Like the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: mafia killed a lot of people and they never found him.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: He was over the team, sirs, but like that's not
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: that big of a job.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think probably just because the body was never found.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, they did such a good job killing this guy.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: They deserve some historical credit. It's got to be that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, history loves a cold case.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of bodies of water, too. Shoot,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: they could have smuggled them over to Canada.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many possibilities. So we won't dig into
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: this next one too deep because I did a series
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of episodes about the death of Elvis and... I'm going
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to repost those in celebration of this episode. One of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the theories about his death and the idea that he
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: maybe faked his death is that he actually took up
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a new life in Kalamazoo, Michigan, which would... Like on
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the surface seem very unlikely because what the fuck would
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Elvis want to do with Kalamazoo, Michigan? But he is
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: known to at one point have stayed at Muhammad Ali's
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: estate in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Muhammad Ali had like a ranch there,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a famous boxing academy. He had really strong ties to Kalamazoo.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Now that part I didn't know. Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And because I don't think that's where he's from. Is
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali from?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: No. He's from the South somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, he's from
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the South somewhere. Pretty sure.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: He is from... Yeah, I was right. Louisville. But yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali had really strong ties to Kalamazoo. And at
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: one point in his life when Elvis was looking to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: avoid spotlight for a bit and just lay low, Muhammad
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Ali offered his residence up to Elvis. And Elvis stayed
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: there for a while.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: So.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali is tied to this theory. Also, Wayne Newton,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: who I am convinced is a Fed, asked me about
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: it in private sometime.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I barely know who that is.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: He's a Vegas legend now. I mean, you wouldn't know
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: any of his songs. Have you seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that movie.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: There is a scene where Matthew Broderick lip syncs a
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: song called, Don't be ashamed, darling, don't be ashamed.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Oh. Oh, at the parade float?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought that was Elvis.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: That is a Wayne Newton song. That is Wayne Newton's
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: most famous song. And he's been doing Vegas residencies since
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: people were abusing kids at Interlochen Arts Camp. He's a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: fucking Vegas mainstay. And he did a show in Kalamazoo
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: at one point. And I talk about this on the episodes.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And he tells this story from the stage that kind
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of implies that he had been hanging out with Elvis
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: earlier in the day. And there's other weird connections there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: between wayne newton and elvis but the kalamazoo theory actually
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: gets pretty deep into detail there's a woman who swears
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to god she met elvis in kalamazoo and that he
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: was working as the maintenance guy at an apartment.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Building okay now that's just crazy Yeah, see.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: That's the thing, too. I don't think Elvis would retire
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to a life of that because my theory, if people
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: have never listened to the episodes, there is evidence that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Elvis was working with the FBI to bring down this
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: smuggling ring called the fraternity. They had stolen four hundred
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars and a fucking airplane. from Elvis and his dad.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And the day after Elvis died, five people from the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: smuggling ring were indicted and all got sentenced to very
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: long prison terms. Elvis, I think, joined Witness Protection. Elvis,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: if you look into his history, that motherfucker loved He
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: loved cops. He loved law enforcement. There would have been
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: no better way for him to have ended his career
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: than doing some cop shit. And I think that's what happened.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I think he hit a point in his career where
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: he was like, I'm good. I've had a good run.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: These motherfuckers stole from me. The cops are going to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: let me be a cop and then let me go
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: live my life in peace. And I think he did
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that shit and fucked off to Argentina. But I'm not
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the only one who thinks that. So listen to those episodes, everybody.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: There's four of them. But let's talk about white boy Rick.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Now we're getting into this isn't even a conspiracy. This
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: is just some shit that happened. How many other white
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: boy Ricks do you think there were who just were
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: not white?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Well, the FX show Snowfall is pretty much about this story.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: And it had to be tons. I mean, maybe not tons.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: It had to be a few that were planted.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who just didn't have the resources to get their
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: story out. Like, it makes sense why Rick Wershe Jr.,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: which is white boy Rick's real name. He never called
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: himself white boy Rick. No one called him white boy Rick.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: when he was working for the FBI that's just a
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: name the media gave him after his case became public
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: but yeah with this we're just moving into shit that
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: happened territory it's not conspiracy theory and I think this
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is a great thing to bring up whenever someone mentions
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the CIA selling crack in the United States and The
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: theory that that is still some sort of theory. Like
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you said, there's a whole fucking FX series about it
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that is based on actual events. And then you have this.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: There's a movie about it. There's a documentary about it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It's the FBI doing the same thing. If we know
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the FBI was doing it, why would the CIA be
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: above it?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And so I know I went to go see that movie.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it's possible, but it's one of
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the most boring movies about drug and I've ever seen.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: It was awful.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: The white boy Rick movie?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hated it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I barely remember it, which isn't a great sign
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: because I know I've seen it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. It's really hard to make a bad, an
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: unexcited movie about selling drugs in the 80s in Detroit.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And involving the government too.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's interesting that they were able to fuck that up.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: The documentary is really good. There's a documentary about it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: But as far as white boy Rick, people talk about
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: him but the feeling about white boy rick is like
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: oh oh well you sold drugs just like a bunch
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: of our cousins and shit and went to prison you
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: crying about it that's how most people from the city
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: feel like you might have got screwed but hey a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: lot more or less famous people got fucked up and
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: went to prison.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I asked how many other white
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: boy Ricks were there that just weren't young and white,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: because that's what sets this kid apart. He's white, but
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: even then, I guarantee he wasn't the only fucking white
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: person selling drugs in Detroit in the 80s. But he
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: was also so young, youngest known informant in the history
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of the FBI.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: How young was he when he got caught or when
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: he became an informant?
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: He was 14 when he became an informant. And even
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: then saying he's an informant, that's a really clever way
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: of saying he sold crack for the FBI because they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: recruited him as an informant first. And he was so
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: good at that that they were like, hey, why don't
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you just sell drugs for us and inform on the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: people you're selling drugs to? And he was so good
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: at that, that by the age of 16, he had
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: helped the FBI secure 20 convictions. And to thank him
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: for that, they fired him as an informant at the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: age of 16. And then at the age of 17,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: they arrested him for possession of cocaine. He was arrested
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: with more than eight pounds of cocaine and sentenced to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: life in prison. So that's the FBI for you. They
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: show up, say, hey, you want to do this illegal thing?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: They help you do it. And then at the end,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: they arrest you for doing that illegal thing. Against all odds,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it's not the first time we'll talk about that may
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: be happening on this episode.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: If I'm... correct, I think he has like a business
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: customizing cars or something. I could have sworn it said
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: white boy Rick or something like that. I was at
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: some car show and in the basement they had like
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the customized cars. I thought I seen his name. I
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't really keep up with his story
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: just because every couple of years he's on the news
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: about something. People like, okay, man, whatever. A lot of
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: people got done bad.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Mitten Customs ex-white boy Rick at Autorama. Yeah. Oh yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: he must be like the face.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It's the most trashy looking shit too. It looks like
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: some Pimp My Ride shit from 25 years ago.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: He's wearing a hoodie. Put a suit on. You're a spokesperson, Rick.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So yeah, white boy Rick. He's out of prison now.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: The law that got him sentenced to life in prison...
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: was eventually overturned. It was a law that said if
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: you were caught with, I think, more than like six
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: ounces of cocaine, it was a life sentence. But that
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: got overturned and he was released in 2020. And now
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: he's working with Mitten Customs to pimp your ride.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Right. These cars look so trashy.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: He also sued the FBI, claiming he never would have
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: been a drug dealer if the FBI hadn't recruited him.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: probably true and that what they did amounted to child
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: abuse i'd say that's also probably.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing the fbi found themselves not guilty yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah i doubt that fucking case went anywhere but the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: fbi doing that showing up saying hey sell these drugs
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and then arresting him for selling those drugs kind of
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: reminds me of one of the allegations about the failed
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: kidnapping plot of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: AKA Big Gretch.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Gretchen Whitmer. She seems like a good egg.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Eh, we don't like her so much anymore. She sold
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: out to the data center companies.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fuck that then.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: That's gross. That, and she did some other shit that
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: people were mad out. But yeah, she basically sold out
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: to them. And it was something else. So people are
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: hoping she gets voted out soon. But she had a
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: good run. I'm like, you were the chosen one, Gretch.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: This kidnapping plot, it never happened. Obviously, she was not kidnapped.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: But the allegation here is one that you've heard about
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the FBI time and time again. We just mentioned it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: What the people arrested for this are alleging is that
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: someone from the FBI infiltrated their group and showed up
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: one day and was like, hey, I have an idea.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Let's Helps them put this plot in motion, helps them
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: plan it. And then at the very last minute is like,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: just joking. I'm the FBI. You're under arrest. And we
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: know they did this with a famous case. I believe
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: it was Buffalo, New York, where they arrested this terror cell.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: And it was the same thing. The FBI showed up
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: one day and was like, hey, we should build a bomb.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And then they help these dudes build a bomb. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: then at the end of it, we're like, ah, just joking.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: You're under arrest for building a bomb. Is that really
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the FBI keeping us safe? Or is that the FBI
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: entrapping people?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We kind of need the FBI.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's the FBI. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, we need the FBI. We need we had
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Dante Wimberly on this podcast a couple of times and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Me and him talked about this and I like the
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: way he put it. We need investigators. We need when
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: there is a major crime, we need people who can
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: investigate major crimes for sure. But what we don't need
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: from the FBI and what I think shit like this is,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: is them justifying the budget they have by kind of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: orchestrating these plots and then foiling the these plots, that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: they are heavily involved in planning. And I feel like
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: it's just to justify still having this big of a
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: budget in An age when we know crime rates have
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: just been falling dramatically for like 30 fucking years. But
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: you have all these law enforcement agencies still with all
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of these huge budgets and they have to justify it somehow.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And this is how the FBI justifies their terrorism budget.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: They fucking trick people into committing acts of terrorism.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: This and shows only 50 year olds watch on CBS.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who the fuck? And listen, I know you're way
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: younger than me, but I'm 50. I'm not fucking watching.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: OK, maybe 60.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're going 65, 70.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's like three different FBI shows that are
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: spinoffs of each other or something like that.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: There's FBI shows. There's all those CSI shows. So many.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: The only one I fuck with. And it doesn't count.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But the entire Good Wife universe is some of the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: best fucking television you will ever watch. I don't give
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a shit if it was on CBS. It is phenomenal.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I've heard of it. I've actually only heard you talk
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: about it, but I've never seen a single episode of
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: The Good Liar or The Good Wife.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: The Good Liar is something else. The Good Wife and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: The Good Fight are both. It's this couple, Robert and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Michelle King, are the ones who write these shows. The
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Good Wife, The Good Fight, they have one called Evil
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that is basically like Catholic X-Files. It's a skeptic and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: a dude from the Catholic Church who is played by
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the dude who played Luke Cage, Mike something, I can
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: never remember his last name. But he plays a priest
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and he's got this female scully type partner and they
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: go out and investigate claims of demonic possession. And just
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: like on the X-Files, Sometimes it's demons. Sometimes it's fake.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: And the show is fucking fascinating. And they have a
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: new show coming soon. later this year. Their shows are great.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: They did an episode of The Good Wife about this
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: facility in Chicago called Homan Square, which was a black
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: site operated by the Chicago PD, where they would arrest people,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: take them to Homan Square and interrogate them in between
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: taking them to jail and processing them. And they would
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: do it so lawyers wouldn't know where they were, family
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: wouldn't know where they were, and they could get extra
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: questioning and shit in before they actually had access to lawyers.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: The Good Wife did an episode about that shit a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: year before that story became public because The Good Wife
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: was set in Chicago. So they were doing shit like
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that on The Good Wife. I can't speak for CSI
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles or any of that other bullshit.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: CSI has been on so long. I used to watch
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that shit in high school and it was actually decent.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: But after a while, it's all the same thing. I mean,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: it's all so many cases.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Flint water crisis. This
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: is another one. This isn't a conspiracy. This obviously happened.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: We probably won't ever know to what degree it was
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: covered up, but we know it happened. There definitely were
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: conspiracies that popped up around it. But what I want
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to talk about is this University of Michigan article about Flint.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: conspiracy thinking around the water crisis. Because what I love
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: about it, most articles that deal with, oh, well, why
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: are there conspiracy theories around this thing? Every one of
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: them Nine times out of ten, their conclusion is, oh,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it's just people trying to find explanations for things that
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: don't make sense and just grasping at straws, blah, blah, blah,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: when the government said what happened and they should just
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: accept it. This article does not take that approach. This article,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the basic premise is, of course, there are conspiracy theories
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: around the Flint water crisis because it's a thing that
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: mostly impacted people. black people. And it's a thing that
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: happened mostly because of government incompetence. And this government has
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a long history of doing shit to harm people of
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: color intentionally and being like, whoops, we didn't know that
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: was going to happen. The Tuskegee syphilis experiments are the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: obvious parallel they bring up here. But yeah, it's happened
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a lot. Of course, there's conspiracy theories around the fucking
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Flint water crisis. I'm Would probably believe most of them.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Who knows? I really think it's just a simple thing
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: is they switched from Detroit water, which was the better
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: quality to some other water. But it was probably being
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: polluted by some corporation. And if they ever admitted that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: it would be like a billion dollar lawsuit. So they're
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: just covering for the corporation. Yeah. And.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, wasn't there some scandal in the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: middle of all that where I think it was either
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: GM or Ford did get their water switched back to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the Detroit water supply because it was like fucking with
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: car parts or something when their water got switched. So
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: they got their shit fixed back like right away. And
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: then for actual people who had to bathe and drink
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: this shit, the state was like, we're working on it.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: We're doing our best. That was the thing I didn't understand.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Why couldn't they just switch it back?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Probably signed a contract and lobbyists are like, well, no,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: we're not doing that. Typical government shit, just just pure greed.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: But have you ever seen the video of Obama fake
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: drinking a glass of Flint water?
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: That is one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: It's so good.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. If you were going to do that,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: just have somebody pour you a bottle of water. It
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: ain't like the Secret Service can tell. Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There had to be a better way to fake
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that because you could tell he did not want to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: drink that fucking water.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: He didn't drink it at all.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And like, what's one glass gonna do? Right. He's fucking
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: down that shit. What if he did and just died
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: on the spot?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Right. At least take one sip. He let that shit
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: touch his lips. I'm like, bro, if y'all gonna be
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that Dude like that, just pour some fake, some bottled
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: water in the back. You're the fucking president. Yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: He's like, I will drink this water and then just
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: pours it through a fucking filter. Sits there for 15
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: minutes and drinks it. So yeah, on the conspiracy side
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: of things, though, I don't think, I mean, this isn't
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy, but I would be interested to know if
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: there was any action ever taken. I talked about this
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: way back when it happened. After the Flint water crisis
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: became news in the United States, Reuters did an investigation
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in 2016, and I'll link to it in the show notes.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: It found another 3,000 communities in the United States with
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the exact same problems with their water as mine. I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: don't remember that ever being headlines in this country. And
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's because if it was, it would
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: set off a fucking panic in this country because those
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: are the 3000 communities we know about that have it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: If the entire country found out there's 3000 communities, then
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: everyone's crunching the numbers and being like, well, how many
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: communities are there in the first place? And is my
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: community one of them? All sorts of ripple effects. It's water.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I can't remember if I mentioned that on this pod
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: or another one, but I remember reading something that said
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that the reason we've seen such a drastic decline in
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: crime rates for the last 30 years is because that
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: correlates to when we started removing lead from everything, like
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: lead paint and all of that stuff. And it was
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: proven that lead is what leads to developmental issues. It
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: correlates to all the violent crimes and stuff like that. Apparently,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: it does something to you to make you... not think
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: of consequences. And, but yeah, I remember reading that. So
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: it makes sense to it. Cause I remember as a
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: kid seeing commercials about lead paint and it had, they
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: had already started removing. I didn't even know what lead was. Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Lead paint. It would like chip off. And it has, like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: a sweet taste, so kids would fucking eat it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? That's where that came from? I thought
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: they were just calling kids dumb when they said you
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: used to eat paint chips, because I ain't never eaten.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I never ate paint chips, but I
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: know that was what would happen, especially around windows. Lead
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: paint would flake up and chip off, and kids would
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: sometimes pick it up and see, like, a pink chip,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and it looks like candy. You throw it in your mouth,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and apparently, yeah, lead paint has... kind of a sweet taste,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I guess. And you're all fucked up if you're just
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: straight up eating paint. Maybe that's why Obama didn't want
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: to drink that water. He already Ate a bunch of
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: lead paint chips as a kid growing up in Chicago.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Like, why does water smell like cake frosting?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Water smells like my childhood. No, thank you. So, yeah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that article from Reuters still exists. It's 10 years old now.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: People can read it. I bet most of those communities
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: have not had their water fixed yet. But let's talk
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: about a specifically Detroit conspiracy. 2003 murder of Tamara Green.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So you said you were familiar with this one, right?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember reading about this in a newspaper in
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: middle school. We had an assignment and the headline just
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: said stripper killed and such and such. I'm like, OK,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I remember thinking, OK, why is this such a big deal?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Then I learned later that she was tied to the president.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: But unless I didn't read the article you posted, but
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it wasn't just a mansion. It was
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: the Manoogian mansion where the mayor lived that she allegedly
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: showed up for a party. And the story is that
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: his wife actually killed her. Because she showed up while
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: she was dancing. That's the story we always heard, that
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: his wife had something to do with it and Kwame
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: helped cover it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did see that in a Reddit thread about this.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I saw someone suggest that it was his wife who
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: did it. Her daughter, Tamara Green, the woman who was murdered,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: she was shot and killed in 2003, by the way,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: a few months after the party John mentioned, which it
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: seems like even the party is only rumored to have happened.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know about rumored. From everything I heard, it
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: definitely happened.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick would have been at that party
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: because it was the mayor's residence. Tamara Greene's daughter, Ashley Jackson,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: posted a video that went viral on TikTok claiming her
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: mom and Kilpatrick had an affair and that he hired
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: police to kill her instead of paying her hush money.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: The story of the shooting is that she was dropping
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend off somewhere and that her boyfriend was a
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: drug dealer and that Someone, when she stopped the car,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: shot into the car and that they were trying to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: kill the boyfriend over a $ 50, 000 drug debt and hit
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: her and killed her instead. I'm always skeptical of a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: was trying to kill them over a drug debt theory,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: because how's that going to settle the debt? You're not
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: going to get your $ 50, 000 if you kill the guy.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but also if it's the streets, he
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: might have just ran off with the money and said,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: fuck y'all. That's how some dudes are.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: They were like, we'll get it back in blood.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It seems like this is probably never going to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: be solved. There's a family lawyer out there who also
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: thinks Kilpatrick had this woman killed in some manner. But
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's good for him if people think
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: he's the one that did it. If his wife actually
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: did it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Who knows? Yeah. But I don't know if it was
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the law back then, but there was like. A thing
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: back in the day is that in order to be
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: a Detroit cop, you had to live within city limits.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: So a lot of the cops that grew up in
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the city, some of them may have actually known Kwame,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: which makes the theory more realistic. They just grew up
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: to be cops.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: involved in her killing. I mean, it makes sense. The timing,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: if nothing else, is pretty fucking crazy.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: That American Greed episode of his was pretty good, too.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I used to like that show.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I've never really watched that show. I've seen a few episodes.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't watch it more. Fuck
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: with true crime.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Like 90% of the episodes are just old white people
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: getting ripped off for their money. They're like, yeah, the
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: guy promised us 35% return. And everybody we talked to
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: was like, that's crazy. But so we gave him a
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: half a million dollars. And I'm like, dude, you that old?
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Do you think somebody offering you those crazy amounts of
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: return is not a scam artist?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Again, rich people just think they're smarter than everyone else.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah. What I want to revisit is old
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: episodes of Forensic Files and see how many of those
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: convictions would hold up in court today. Because I remember
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: a bunch of those episodes were like people going to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: prison on bite mark evidence and like hair evidence and
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: shit that everyone knows is junk science now. I bet
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of episodes that are about people who
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: were actually innocent. So last thing I want to talk about,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: this isn't so much a conspiracy theory, but it seems
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like people in Detroit clean fucking hate the Illich family,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: which is the family that owns Little Caesars and whatnot.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: The Tigers also. Yeah. I think they own the Red
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Wings too. Yeah, they own the Tigers, the Red Wings,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Little Caesars.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: They own, yeah, apparently a bunch of entertainment complexes. And
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: it seems like that's the problem, is they accuse this
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: family of buying up as much of the cheap property
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: as possible in Detroit so they can turn it into
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: entertainment complexes and shit like that. You see, there's a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: few different Reddit threads out there that are just people
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: complaining about this family and how people fawn over them,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: kind of. in public and act like they're this like
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: really philanthropic bunch which they own a corporation of course
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: they're not but i remember i've said good things about
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: them but only because of the love bus which.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Is the pizza booth.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah the the bus they drive around to like disaster
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: sites and homeless shelters and just give out little caesar's
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: pizza which even then i bet it's a hard sell
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: little caesar's is not the best pizza.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You get it fresh, it's decent.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just being an asshole. It's also so cheap.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll still eat it over that racist-ass Papa John's pizza.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Papa John's has that garlic sauce, though.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Remember Papa John's tried to blame dropping an air bomb
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: in a meeting on pizza psychosis or something like that?
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I think he says, like, I was under stress from
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: eating pizza. I still want that tape to release.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, Papa John's. That garlic
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: sauce never called anybody the N-word, though.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I just never was in a situation where Papa John's
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: was the pizza we ordered. We had so many other options.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Even before we found out it was whites only pizza.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I'm actually at a point in my life where I
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: live in L.A., Papa John's, if I want like just
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: quick fucking fast food type pizza, Papa John's is my
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: only option. There used to be a Pizza Hut, but
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: that apparently closed or they just don't deliver.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Pizza Hut is fucking gross.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: There might be a Domino's, but I haven't hit rock
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: bottom yet. I'm not going to fucking order Domino's.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: They're heads and shoulders above Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut is
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: absolutely fucking disgusting.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: You're wrong.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: It is ridiculous. When's the last time you've had it? Oh,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Very recent. And they brought back the classic thick crust pizza.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Oof. Maybe it's a Michigan thing, but Pizza Hut tastes
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: like 3D printed pizza. I would take Domino's over them
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: any day. It is disgusting. The sauce is bad. The
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: pepperonis are bad.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I love that Domino's changed their pizza 20 years ago.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: and people are like, no, they changed it. It's good now.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, man, we have all had two decades to
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: try it since then. It's still not right. I know
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: they changed it. Yeah, I did. Do you still have
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Godfather's in Michigan?
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Is that the one that's only sold in gas stations?
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's something else.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it might only, you see it primarily
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: in gas stations now, but Godfather's, that's good fucking pizza.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm not above eating out of a gas station,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: but I'm not into gas station pizza that's only sold
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: in the square boxes.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, the best pizza in the mid, I mean, not
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the best pizza in the Midwest, but one of the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: best pizzas in the Midwest is Casey's. general store pizza.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Never heard of it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there must not be Casey's in Michigan, but if
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you ever see a Casey's general store, fucking pull your
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: car over and go in and get a slice of pizza.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: They put approximately 18 times more cheese on it than
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: most other pizzas. Specifically, the Canadian bacon is the best one, weirdly.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Do they cover it with licorice and peppermint too? No.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I hear general store. It just seems like old rocking
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: chairs and stuff.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It's just a gas station. It's a convenience store.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Do they even sell gas? Yeah, I think so. Oh,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: shout out to Casey's. I love that pizza. So I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: think that's our episode. I think we covered every conspiracy
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: theory related to the state of Michigan. We didn't talk
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: about militias. Got a lot of those in Michigan. I
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: forget how it goes, but California and Michigan are number
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: one and number two in militia groups and in Michigan,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: it's because of all the white people. And in California,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: we make the list in large part because of black
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: separatist groups, because we're progressive in California. But we got
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: our white supremacists also. Don't you worry.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I think everything outside of L.A. County and Oakland is
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: probably white. basically the rest of America in California.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I do a bit on stage about it. Liberal California
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: is a myth.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: L.A.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: 's liberal, San Francisco's liberal outside of that fucking total
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: crap shoot. There was a Nazi compound, like an actual compound,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: at least affiliated with, I think used by Hitler a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: few different times in Santa Monica, California. And They tore
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: it after World War II. They immediately tore it down
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: 70 years later. That fucking thing was there until 2016.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: That's when they finally tore it down.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Were they waiting for somebody to buy it or something?
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Well, also 2016, that's when we could have fucking used
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: it again. Tear it down when there's a Nazi back
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in the White House? Fine. Trump would have turned that
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: into a golf course or something. I think it was
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: called Murphy Ranch. Something like that.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Weird.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, we got to we got to do a
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: we're going to do a 50 states of conspiracy about
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: California at some point. But I feel like that's going
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: to be like three or four episodes. We got we
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: got some bangers out here.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I'm curious how long this show can go on, because
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: it's like 30 states that nobody cares about in this country. Like,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know who you're going to find from Idaho
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: or Rhode Island.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when me and Alex Schmidt were doing Your State
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: is Insane, we were going in alphabetical order. And we
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: made it to California before Cracked completely fell apart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.
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  Speaker 1: But even at that point, we were about to get
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  Speaker 1: to Connecticut. And even by then, we were like, who
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the fuck knows anyone from Connecticut? We could not find anyone.
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  Speaker 1: Even if at that point, it might be different now,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: but if you... like Googled famous people from Connecticut. There
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  Speaker 1: were like eight and maybe two who would have been
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  Speaker 1: appropriate for the podcast we were doing. I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: any comedians from Connecticut. So yeah, well, I said that
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  Speaker 1: when we started this, we'll run into that problem at
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: some point for sure.
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  Speaker 2: There are states that don't even seem like real states,
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  Speaker 2: like Delaware, like those real small ones that they just
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  Speaker 2: call them new, uh, What is it?
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: New England.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. New England.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even know what like what is I
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: don't know what all of the New England states are
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  Speaker 1: because I've never looked it up because I don't care
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  Speaker 1: because I've never been there. And if I've never been there,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: how cool can it be?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It might as well just be Boston. They should just
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: expand Boston.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make it all Boston. So that's our episode.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: We did it. John, thank you so much for doing
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  Speaker 1: the pod. As always, what do we have to plug
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: before we get out of here?
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: What do you got? I released the first audio podcast
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  Speaker 2: of my new show. I'm covering the episode of MTV's
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  Speaker 2: True Life that should be out by now and on
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: my YouTube channel, the video version of it. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's it. Let's get the fuck out
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  Speaker 1: of here. John, say goodbye.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Goodbye, everybody. Stay woke. Bye, everybody. We love you.