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HEAR IT: “Cult Mom” Lori Vallow BEST FRIEND ON Vallow’s “past lives,” light/dark spirits and the "DEMON" living inside Hubby. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan are dead. We may have
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  Speaker 1: thought so all along, but now we know. We know
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  Speaker 1: that their remains were destroyed and buried in the backyard
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  Speaker 1: of cult Mom Laurie Valo's new husband's home. What now
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace with me now a very
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  Speaker 1: special guest. Her name, April Raymond. April is calt Mom
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo's former friend from Hawaii. April, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for being with us, thank you for having me,
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  Speaker 1: and thank you for reprinting on this story. Did you
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  Speaker 1: know JJ entirely? I did. I've known JJ entily and
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  Speaker 1: their family since twenty fifteen. When you see the footage
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  Speaker 1: of her in court, Now, is that the Lorie that
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  Speaker 1: you knew? Not at all. I don't recognize that person.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. April Raymond, Lorie Valo's friend
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  Speaker 1: from Hawaii. You guys, at a twenty fifteen at the
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  Speaker 1: local Mormon church there, are you a Mormon? I am?
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  Speaker 1: I am LDS. Well, what do you make her questioning?
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  Speaker 1: Are the children light or dark? And have they turned
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  Speaker 1: into zombies? I from all of my friends that are Mormon,
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  Speaker 1: from investigating and speaking to members of the LDS. I've
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  Speaker 1: never heard anything like that in my life. I haven't either,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been LDS my entire life. When she first
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  Speaker 1: kind of brought those things up with me last spring,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know what to think or where she
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  Speaker 1: was coming up with her beliefs. Okay, hold, whoa wait?
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  Speaker 1: She talked to you about zombies and light and dark?
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  Speaker 1: She did. She started by telling me that Charles had
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  Speaker 1: a demon living inside of him. That was the first
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  Speaker 1: exposure I had to to these beliefs, and along with
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  Speaker 1: her after she started telling me about Charles and the
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  Speaker 1: demon that was inside of him. The demon even had
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  Speaker 1: a name. His name was ned Snyder. Well, what about
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  Speaker 1: the demon's name living in her now dead husband was?
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  Speaker 1: What was a demon's name? She told me Ned Snyder
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  Speaker 1: was the name that she used, Ned Snyder. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're used to hearing about demons from hell, like Bill
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  Speaker 1: Zebub and others, but I never really heard modern day
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  Speaker 1: demon's named. Why does she say Charles Valo's body was
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  Speaker 1: inhabited by a demon. Well, the way she explained it
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  Speaker 1: to me is she said that Charles was already dead
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  Speaker 1: and that there was a demon living inside of him,
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  Speaker 1: and the demon was named ned Snyder, and I asked her, well,
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  Speaker 1: how do you know that Charles is dead and you
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  Speaker 1: know this ned Snyder has taken over his body. And
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  Speaker 1: the explanation she gave was, well, the demon is shorter
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  Speaker 1: than Charles and that's how I know it's not him.
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  Speaker 1: And I just I thought she was having a nervous breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, she was going through a divorce,
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  Speaker 1: she's just become a grandmother. Maybe she's having a midlife crisis.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought that we would end up here or
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  Speaker 1: be having this kind of a conversation months later, April.
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally blown away by what you're telling me. So
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  Speaker 1: were you in person with her or on the front
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  Speaker 1: when she said this? We were in person, and she
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  Speaker 1: was living back in Arizona, but she entirely came to
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  Speaker 1: Kawai to visit me. It was when Charles kind of
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  Speaker 1: started his divorce proceedings and she just needed to get away,
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  Speaker 1: and she said she was going to start over on Kauai.
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  Speaker 1: So once she kind of started telling me about this
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  Speaker 1: demon and Charles, then she brought these lists of names
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  Speaker 1: and next to them was a number and it would
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  Speaker 1: say light or dark, and it was just pages and
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  Speaker 1: pages of names. And I'm not sure exactly how they
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  Speaker 1: or who all was involved in judging and raiding these people,
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  Speaker 1: but they had a systematic way of deciding if somebody
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  Speaker 1: was light or dark, if they were possessed. It was
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  Speaker 1: very alarming. She even had a list with my name
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  Speaker 1: on it, but my name was was handwritten in, So
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  Speaker 1: there we were locked. I was. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: if she'd still probably have me in that category, but
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  Speaker 1: she had me in light. But she had just handwritten
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  Speaker 1: my name and she had crossed out somebody else's name.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I took their place or something. What kind
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  Speaker 1: of people were all the list? Who saw the list?
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  Speaker 1: There were family members of hers. A lot of the
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  Speaker 1: names I didn't even recognize. I don't know. They must
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  Speaker 1: have been people that she knew, but they weren't names
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  Speaker 1: that I recognized. That the name that whose place I took,
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  Speaker 1: that she she handwrote, I didn't recognize the name. I
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  Speaker 1: did recognize a few of her family members, but other
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  Speaker 1: than that and myself, I didn't recognize any of the
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  Speaker 1: names or the children on the list, not the list
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  Speaker 1: that I saw. But she did tell me that Tyley
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  Speaker 1: was dark. She didn't say anything about JJ at that time,
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  Speaker 1: but she did tell me that Tyley was dark. What
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  Speaker 1: in their world are you supposed to do someone is dark? See?
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  Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't know what that meant. I
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  Speaker 1: just thought that it was I didn't know where she
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  Speaker 1: was coming up with it. I thought it was just
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  Speaker 1: harmless or it was some kind of escape for her.
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  Speaker 1: I never got the impression that it was going to
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  Speaker 1: become a violent situation or a dangerous situation. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was just more of like a fantasy world that
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  Speaker 1: she was living in. And I thought it was just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe brought on by some kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: emotional trauma or midlife crisis. I never thought that we
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  Speaker 1: would end up here. But she told you, and you're
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  Speaker 1: sure that Tylie was dark, Yes, she said Tylie is dark.
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  Speaker 1: She's just like her dad. And her dad was really,
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  Speaker 1: according to Laurie, was very dark. That would be Joe Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: Now at this time, was Joe Ryan still alive? No,
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  Speaker 1: he was not. He passed away I think in the
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  Speaker 1: spring of twenty eighteen, because she had she entirely came
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  Speaker 1: to visit me the fourth of July twenty eighteen, and
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  Speaker 1: he had already passed away by then, but she says
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  Speaker 1: he was also dark exactly, So did you know her
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  Speaker 1: during the happy times? I did stay her. Laurie, What
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  Speaker 1: was her relationship with her husband, Charles valid? Honestly, I
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  Speaker 1: thought she and Charles had the perfect marriage of all
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  Speaker 1: the friends that I had. I thought they had the
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  Speaker 1: marriage that you'd want to emulate. I. In fact, when
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  Speaker 1: she first told me last February that they were having
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  Speaker 1: marriage problems, that they were going to be going through divorce,
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  Speaker 1: I was completely blindsided because I never saw them argue.
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  Speaker 1: She never complained about anything very significant in their marriage
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  Speaker 1: other than she wanted more of a strong spiritual leader.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't feel like she and Charles were spiritual equals,
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  Speaker 1: but beyond that, it seemed like they had a raw,
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  Speaker 1: good marriage, and I thought they had a really great life.
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  Speaker 1: Why does she think she and Charles Valor were not
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  Speaker 1: spiritual equals? Charles had converted to Mormonism, and so his
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  Speaker 1: understanding of doctrine was maybe not as advanced as she
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  Speaker 1: perceived her understanding to be. She's a lifelong you know,
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  Speaker 1: born into Mormonism and were in race in Mormonism. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that she just didn't think that he understood
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  Speaker 1: maybe some of the deeper doctrines that she was really
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  Speaker 1: attracted to. But he supported her in her role in
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  Speaker 1: her religion. He did his part. He wasn't a passive participant.
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  Speaker 1: He was very active. I think she just thought that
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't her match spiritually. Time stories with Meancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get my mind wrapped around everything you're telling me.
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  Speaker 1: And you thought when she was talking about people are
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  Speaker 1: light or dark, that Tyley was dark just like her father.
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  Speaker 1: You thought she was going through some kind of a crisis,
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  Speaker 1: because by then she was in the midst of the
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  Speaker 1: doors from drives Vella. Correct, right, that's correct, and this
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  Speaker 1: was her fourth way happen. Next, I was Tylely there
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  Speaker 1: to hear all this, Tyley was, Tyler was there, and
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  Speaker 1: it didn't seem like it was something that Tylie was
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  Speaker 1: hearing for the first time. I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 1: Tyley was in the room when she said Tyle's dark.
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  Speaker 1: But Tyle was around when she was talking about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of her other beliefs, as far as being a
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  Speaker 1: translated being, as far as being have living existed on
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  Speaker 1: Earth several times, or having several past lives and she
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  Speaker 1: would go into detail about who she was and all
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  Speaker 1: of these past lives that she had experienced. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: need to hear that. That is something I want to hear.
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  Speaker 1: What were her past lives? Sure, so you know, she
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of random people that it didn't weren't
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  Speaker 1: very significant, but a lot of the lives that she experienced,
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  Speaker 1: she was connected to early founders of the Mormon Church.
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  Speaker 1: So she would had said that she was Joseph Smith's grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: She said that, you know, she had been. I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember if it was the wife or the daughter of
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  Speaker 1: James the just who was Jesus's brother. I mean, she
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  Speaker 1: had so much information. Way, hold on again, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a biblical scholar, although I try my best to be
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  Speaker 1: a Christian. Joseph Smith's grandfather. Now, Joseph Smith was a
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  Speaker 1: founder of Mormonism. Correct, That's correct. Now did you just
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  Speaker 1: mention James Christ's brother. She says she was the disciple
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  Speaker 1: James right, Christ's brother, that she was his wife. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I remember her saying. You're making the hair stand
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  Speaker 1: up on my arm right now. I want you to
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  Speaker 1: know that I know now I'm kind of understanding where
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  Speaker 1: this is going. Okay, any other past lives I need
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  Speaker 1: to know about. I don't remember anything specific about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the other lives that she talked about, but
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  Speaker 1: I know that there were like close to a dozen
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  Speaker 1: that she had shared with me. But it was just
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  Speaker 1: so much information that I had nothing to connect it to,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just kind of waiting for her to
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  Speaker 1: just get it out of her system. It was something
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to not really remember. Yeah, when you love
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  Speaker 1: somebody a longtime friend and they come out with something bizarre,
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  Speaker 1: you have the love and you're trying to reconcile this
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  Speaker 1: thing that you're hearing or witnessing. Were there any other biblical,
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  Speaker 1: biblically connected past lives other than with Joseph Smith and
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  Speaker 1: Christ's brother James, not that I can recall specifically. During
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  Speaker 1: this discussion, you're saying that Tyleie was in and out
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  Speaker 1: and she had obviously heard all this before. Right. What
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  Speaker 1: was her relationship with Tylie? Did they get along or
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  Speaker 1: they having mother daughter problems? I never saw them have
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  Speaker 1: mother daughter problems. I never saw the problems. I know
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  Speaker 1: that Laurie would describe the problems. Tylie was a very
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  Speaker 1: strong willed, independent young lady like most teenage girls aren't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think any of their conflict was outside of
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  Speaker 1: the ordinary mother daughter power struggle. Nothing stood out to
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  Speaker 1: me that caused alarm. When she Laurie Vale occult mom
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  Speaker 1: was talking about her past lives and being quote translated,
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  Speaker 1: Tylie was coming in and out. She showed no alarm
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  Speaker 1: because if I heard my mother say that she was
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  Speaker 1: a goddess and she was leading us toward the end
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  Speaker 1: of the world, I would certainly perk up and listen.
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  Speaker 1: But Tylie was kind of blase. She found very unfazed
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  Speaker 1: by it. It didn't seem like it was the first
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  Speaker 1: time she was hearing it. It just seemed something like
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  Speaker 1: something she was had been around or privy too for
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  Speaker 1: quite a while. She didn't act surprised or even really
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  Speaker 1: interested in anything that Laurie was saying. April, when you
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  Speaker 1: first learned that the children were missing, what was your
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  Speaker 1: first thought? I was physically sick it. I just could
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  Speaker 1: not conceive of a scenario where there was a good
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  Speaker 1: explanation as to why they would be missing, especially knowing
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  Speaker 1: the circumstances around Charles Valo's death. That that had caused
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  Speaker 1: alarm for me Back in July, of twenty nineteen explore Well,
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  Speaker 1: when I found out about what had happened to Charles
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  Speaker 1: in July, it was really alarming to me because of
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  Speaker 1: the conversation that we had had in February where she's
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  Speaker 1: saying Charles is already dead, there's a demon living inside
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  Speaker 1: of him. And then a few months later he is
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  Speaker 1: dead and her brother's the one that shot him. And
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  Speaker 1: I had known that her brother Alex had attacked her
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  Speaker 1: previous husband, Joe Ryan, and so it just seemed like
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot more to this, There's something more to this,
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  Speaker 1: And so then flashed forward to December when I first
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  Speaker 1: find out that the children are missing, and then I
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  Speaker 1: hear all of the other circumstances about Chad Daville's wife's
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  Speaker 1: mysterious death, and just the behavior and the reaction of
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  Speaker 1: Laurie and Chad. It caused even greater alarm for me.
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  Speaker 1: Was Charles Valo, who is now dead. Ever, let to
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  Speaker 1: your knowledge, you know, if anything, I would describe Charles
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  Speaker 1: as a pushover. He was, you know, you never know
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  Speaker 1: what's really going on behind closed doors. But I was
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  Speaker 1: in their home quite a bit. Lorie and I were
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  Speaker 1: close enough that we would tell each other just about anything.
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  Speaker 1: I would think that if there was something that had happened,
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  Speaker 1: or if he was violent, I would have thought she
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  Speaker 1: would have had no problem bringing that up to me.
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  Speaker 1: I never saw that. If anything, I saw Charles exhibit
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  Speaker 1: an exorbitant amount of patients in most situations. What do
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  Speaker 1: you make of the clining that, hey, Charles Valet became
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  Speaker 1: violent and Alex Cox had to shade him. I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that, based on my experience with Charles and knowing
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  Speaker 1: Alex's history, and you know, remembering the conversation I had
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  Speaker 1: with Lorie in February. It just I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of questions because in February she told you Charles Valoe
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  Speaker 1: was dark, possessed by a damon, and that he was
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  Speaker 1: already dead, right, and then suddenly he is dead. Did
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  Speaker 1: she ever talk to you about Chad Daybil. She did,
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  Speaker 1: but it was more, you know, I knew that she
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  Speaker 1: had read his books when she again in February. When
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  Speaker 1: she came, she was talking about how she was part
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  Speaker 1: of a podcast group that he was in, but she
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  Speaker 1: also mentioned several of her other co hosts. She never
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  Speaker 1: gave me any indication at that time that their relationship
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  Speaker 1: was anything more than just professional, and that she just
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  Speaker 1: respected him as an author and as a speaker. Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe Charles was faithful to her? Was he cheating?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that he was cheating on her. Charles was,
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  Speaker 1: to a fault, madly in love with her and did
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  Speaker 1: anything to make her happy. People surprised you every day,
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  Speaker 1: and you never know what's going on behind closed doors.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't see any indication of that. And she
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  Speaker 1: did bring that up to me that he was had
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  Speaker 1: been having an affair, but the evidence that she had
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  Speaker 1: that was supposed to support that didn't make any sense,
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  Speaker 1: and I felt like she was just her evidence. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I asked, I said, well, where did he meet this woman?
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  Speaker 1: And she couldn't give me a name of the woman.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing you're going to do if
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  Speaker 1: your husband's having an affair is you're going to find
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  Speaker 1: out her name. You're gonna look her up up. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna want to know what this woman looks like. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a name, She didn't really know what she
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  Speaker 1: looked like. She just said, oh, he met her on LinkedIn,
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  Speaker 1: and that the way that she knew he was having
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  Speaker 1: an affair was that when he would go out of town,
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  Speaker 1: his grocery bills would be very high. It just didn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense. I was like I, I just thought
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  Speaker 1: she was feeling insecure. And that's the evidence. That's the
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  Speaker 1: evidence that she shared with me crime stories with Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace with me. Now a very special guest, her name,
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  Speaker 1: April Raymond. April is cult Mom, Laurie Valo's former friend
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  Speaker 1: from Hawaii. April, what can you tell me about Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Valo believing that she is a quote chosen one that
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  Speaker 1: is going to lead one hundred and forty four thousand
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  Speaker 1: people to the knee Jerusalem at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: world on July twenty two. I feel like she really
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  Speaker 1: believes that. I don't think she's saying just saying that.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like she's delusional, and I think that I
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  Speaker 1: think that she wholeheartedly believes that. I think her behavior
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  Speaker 1: and the behavior of her new husband, Chad, speaks volumes
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  Speaker 1: to me. I cannot conceive of any reasonable explanation as
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  Speaker 1: to why they would behave the way that they've behaved
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  Speaker 1: since this began. April, did Yellowstone have any significance to
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo? Not to my knowledge. I was actually surprised
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  Speaker 1: that she had even taken a trip or a day
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  Speaker 1: trip there. That didn't seem to say that that's interesting
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  Speaker 1: to me. It's cold and Yellowstone in September, um, it's
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  Speaker 1: off season. It Laurie wasn't at least the Laurie that
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  Speaker 1: I knew. That wasn't the type of vacation that she
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  Speaker 1: would enjoy. So I was just surprised that she was
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  Speaker 1: even there, and it just it didn't fit in with
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  Speaker 1: the person that I had known. Why are you telling
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  Speaker 1: me that Yellowstone would not be the kind of vacation
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Valley would take or trip well I would. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just facing on what I had known of her, and
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  Speaker 1: every trip that I'd known that she'd taken was to
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  Speaker 1: Disneyland or to Hawaii or you know, somewhere warm and
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  Speaker 1: somewhere kind of tropical. It just the Yellowstone just didn't
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  Speaker 1: seem It just seemed out of the ordinary for her.
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  Speaker 1: In my pinapon with the fact that's the last time
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  Speaker 1: Tylie has ever been seen alive. Question to you regarding
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  Speaker 1: her ordering her wedding dress on Amazon and her wedding
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  Speaker 1: rain before Timmy Daybille is dead, then Tammy Daybill dies
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  Speaker 1: in her sleep. How does that strike you? You know
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  Speaker 1: her better than any of us. It's very alarming to me.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I know Lourie is a master planner.
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  Speaker 1: She's always ten steps ahead. You know, That's one of
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  Speaker 1: the qualities I admired about her. But in this situation,
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  Speaker 1: it just doesn't sit well with me. To me, it
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  Speaker 1: implies foul play. What was your conversation with Lorie Valo
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  Speaker 1: like when she told you she was a quote chosen One.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to be very compassionate towards her at
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  Speaker 1: the time. I thought that again, that there was some
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  Speaker 1: kind of a psychotic break or there was some kind
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  Speaker 1: of mental crisis, and so I was almost embarrassed for
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  Speaker 1: her by, you know, because of the things that she
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  Speaker 1: was saying. And I just thought, if she just you know,
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  Speaker 1: gets it out of her system, that she'll cycle through
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: whatever she's going through right now and she'll get back
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to normal. And obviously I was very wrong. April, when
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: she's talking about being a chosen One, a goddess her word,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: not mine, that has been selected by Christ to lead
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the chosen one hundred and forty four thousand people worldwide
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: since the beginning of time to the quote New Jerusalem.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Was she going to be able to bring the children
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: with her? She didn't say anything about her children, but
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: she had told me that she was there to gather me.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: She had been appointed as a gatherer by the angel
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Morone and Jesus Christ apparently, and as a gatherer was
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: her responsibility to go and get the remaining one hundred
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and forty you know, four thousand people so that they
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: could all be together. She was trying to gather you, yes,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and she said you would need to separate. You were chosen.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I was that is significant what you just said. She
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: told you you were chosen, you were one of the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four thousand selected, and that you,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: April Raymond, would have to separate from your children because
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: they weren't common right, that they had a different mission,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and in order to fulfill my mission, I would have
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to separate from them. What did that mean? Did you
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: ask her? What do you mean separate? I didn't think
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that at the time that it meant anything sinister, I
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: think I at the time, I just thought she meant,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you just need to come with me, and you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the kids will be fine, you know, with their father
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and they they'll have their mission, and I got the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: impression that eventually will all be together again based on
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: what she was saying, But she never specifically gave the
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: details of what the separation meant. I just I didn't understand,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and I should have asked more questions, but I almost
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: didn't really want it no more. Well, at the time,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I doubt you thought anything nefarious of it, not at all.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I did not. Was this in person or over the phone.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: This was in person. She looked at you and told
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you you were one of the one hundred and forty
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: four thousand chosen, and all of the one hundred and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: forty four thousand would be gathered together for the end
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: of the world in July July twenty second, and you
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: would have to leave your children, or that you had
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to leave now to prepare. I think what the way
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I understood it was leave now to prepare and go
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: help gather the rest of the people, and in order
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to do that, you'd have to separate from your children.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: What did you say? I said, no, I don't believe
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: this in the way that you do, And I wanted
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to be kind about it so that I didn't embarrass her,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and I just basically said, I understand that you really
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: believe this, but I haven't had these same experiences that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you've had or claim to have had, and so this
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: isn't something that resonates with me. How did she take it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I think she was a little upset, but she kind
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: of made a comment that, oh, maybe you're just not
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: ready or you're not ready to hear the truth, or
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: something to that effect. She didn't show you any really
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: significant signs of being angry or upset, but I could
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: tell that, you know, she was a little frustrated. Where
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: were the one hundred and forty four thousand's supposed to go?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: She never said a location or even a date. This
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was back in twenty nineteen and she had just said
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that it was the end was soon, but she never
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: gave a location of where everyone was supposed to gather too.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: But you were to physically leave where you were and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: go to a certain spot to gather with one hundred
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: forty four thousand once they were all found. And it
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: was my understanding based on what she said, was that
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: we would be traveling all over the world to find
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: all of these people because they were you know, there
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: were some in every country, or you know something to
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that effect. They had to be gathered worldwide. They had
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to be gathered worldwide. Yes, crime stories with Nancy Grace,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: When did you first feel her slipping away from you
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and away from the established LDS. Last February is when
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I saw it the most significantly and overtly, And when
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: she was talking about these past lives, and when she
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: was talking about this light dark rating system, talking about
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: herself as a translated being and a gatherer, it was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: just these were foreign expressions, These were foreign concepts to me,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and I could not understand where these were coming from.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I could tell that there was some organization to it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just someone, you know, just ranting or spewing
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: off the top of their head. It was obviously something
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that she had been exposed to or had learned, and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it had been presented in a very organized way. But
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I couldn't understand the source of it. None of it
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: connected with any warmon doctrine that I had I'm aware of.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: As she tried to contact to you at all since
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: her marriage to day Bell. No. The last time that
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: we had any contact was June twenty seventh, so just
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before Charles passed away April. I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: know that JJ had similarity issues, did she ever indicate
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that that was overwhelming to her? Laurie was always a
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: really good mom, and she was really good with JJ.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: But she always had a lot of help with JJ.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So when they lived on Kawhi, she always had a nanny.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Usually that nanny was live in nanny, and then once
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: he went to school, he Charles was always there to
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: help her, you know, manage JJ. It wasn't something she
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: could do on her own. And so when she came
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to stay with me last February, she didn't have JJ
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: with her, and I asked where he was, and she
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: said that he was with Charles, and Charles was going
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to go be with you know, with Kay. And then
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: we kind of talked about, well, what's going to happen
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: if you go through with this divorce or you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: what are the consequences for JJ? And she said, oh,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Charles is going to have to take care of JJ's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it's his turn now. Basically not that she resented it,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: but just kind of like, well, if we're not together,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I don't need to take care of JJ anymore because
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: that's Charles's responsibility. So she didn't express any resentment, just
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: more like it's his turn. Now I've done my time,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Ryan Jagger, it right, That's how I took it. Then
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Charles Valo was shot dead and that leaves her with
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: JJ and Tyley because she believes is dark. Who had
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the money to pay for the nannies? I don't yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think she had one after Charles passed away.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: And that was what was kind of concerning to me too,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: is when I learned that she had taken JJ out
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of school in Rexburg to do homeschool. That makes sense
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to me because she had always had a lot of help,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and even with a lot of help, JJ requires a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: lot of attention and time, and so her doing homeschool
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: with JJ by herself unheard of. That didn't make any
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: sense to me. Was Tyley really planned on going to college?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I hadn't been told when they were staying there that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Tyle had gotten her ged And that was you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen. Tyley is a very intelligent girl.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I know she wanted to go to college. She never
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: expressed any interest at that time in a specific college.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Why didn't she get a JAD? Why didn't she just
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: go through school? The twelve grades. Tyley had a lot
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: of health issues and they could never really get to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the bottom of them. So she had been missing a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: lot of school in Arizona, and so they had just
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: decided that it was getting too complicated to try to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: work things out with the teachers to get makeup work.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: That they just decided for her to take her ged
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: what kind of health problems that the doctors couldn't figure out.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: She had some digestive issues or stomach issues. She was
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: always having stomach aches, and they you know, did every
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: test they could think of, and never could really figure
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: out what the source of the problem was or what
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the remedy would be. But the answer was to take
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: her out of school and have her get her j D.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Right that was there, she took j J out of school. Curious,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: very curious to Tylely ever talk about her ailment to you.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I knew that she was sick a lot, so Tyley
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: would often be kind of you know, even when Charles
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and Laurie lived on quiet, Tylee was always sick and
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: she would be in her room, you know, resting or
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: sleeping or recovering or just getting back from the doctor.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: When she was younger, They told me that she had
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: had several surgeries to try to figure out what was
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: wrong and to try to fix things, and it never
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: accomplished anything. Once Laurie Valoe primarily involved in Tyle's treatments. Yes,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm certainly no doctor or a psychiatrist or
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a shrink. But if a fleet of doctors in a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: metropolitan city can't figure out what's wrong and called mom,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo was the primary person taking care of her.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I'd be very, very curious to find the true nature
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of tylely Ryan's ailments and if they were somehow inflicted
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: on her. I'm very curious, indeed, absolutely what was Laurie
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Valo's attitude toward Tyley's ailments. She seemed very, you know
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: what I perceived as very compassionate towards it, and just
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: she came across as well, we'll do whatever it takes to,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you know, find out why this keeps happening to Tyle.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Hindsights happening? Would she throw up? Would she have pain,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: stomach pains that were just like very unexplained stomach pains
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and issues when she would eat things, how she would
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: feel reflecting back on those conversations. It'd be interesting to
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: look at Tylie's medical history and see what really were
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: her symptoms and what had been done, you know, to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: try to find out and the offit of the pain,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And would Laurie Valor be there alone with her at
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the time she began manifesting the pain and when the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: pain would go away? And what if any attention would
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Laurie Valor receive when Tyley would be ill and a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: doctor after doctor after a hospital after hospital. I'm very
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: curious as to the answers to those questions. How Tyley's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: ailment affected cult Mom Laurie Valo. This is the first
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: time hearing of this, and I'm very very distressed. What
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: about JJ's issues, how did they affect Cult Mom Laurie Valo.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I would describe her as more of a martyr. She
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: was never never expressed any resentment or any anger towards
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: towards it, but she would come across more as a martyr.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And I know that Charles was really trying to help
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: JJ reach certain milestones in his development and progress, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: every time he would reach a milestone, it would almost
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: seem like Laurie would discount it and act as if
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Charles was reading too much into JJ's progress. What kind
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: of milestone away talking of to read? Lauren? Yeah, like
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: learning to read or learn you know, you know I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: knew him when he was a lot younger, so being
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: able to say his alphabet or or recognize sight words.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: It was almost like there was something that she She
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: didn't celebrate those accomplishments the same way that Charles seemed
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to celebrate them. In my opinion, this is painting a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: very very disturbing picture, you know that, right what's your
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: message to Laurie Valor now? If she could hear you? Honestly,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think that I don't have anything to say
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: to her, and I don't think that she would listen
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to anything that anyone has to say. Right now, it
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: seems like she's going to do what she's going to do,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and it looks like she's not going to let anybody
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: get in her way of whatever it is that she
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: wants to do. I pul Raymond, thank you beyond words
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: for the insight you've given all of us today. Thank you,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: thank you for the opportunity Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend