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Sharri | 2 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Good.
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Speaker 2: Evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm Daniki di Giorgio filling in tonight for Shari Markson.
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Speaker 3: In breaking news, four people have been injured in a
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Speaker 3: stabbing attack at a synagogue in Manchester in the UK.
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Speaker 3: We'll have more on that story shortly. Victorian Premier Justin
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Speaker 3: to Alan out of hiding to face the media over
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Speaker 3: revelations a biological man who raped his daughter has been
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Speaker 3: moved to a women's prison. But there is a bigger
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Speaker 3: issue at play and involves Australia's backwards laws.
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Speaker 2: Flotilla flop.
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Speaker 3: Greta's humanitarian mission fails again as the IDF intercepts and
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Speaker 3: sends her and her merry band of activists home. And
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Speaker 3: I'll speak to a fired up New South Wales farmer
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Speaker 3: who's had a guff full of the renewables only experiment.
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Speaker 3: I'll get his reaction to the full scale of the
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Speaker 3: rollout shortly, but first tonight, Victorian Premier Justinta Alan is
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Speaker 3: an activist whose judgment is so far off the mark.
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Speaker 3: It is about as broken as the concept that men
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Speaker 3: can be women just because they wear a dress. The
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Speaker 3: Premier came out of hiding today, where she's been ever
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Speaker 3: since details came to light about a biological male sex
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Speaker 3: offender who raped his own child and is now being
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Speaker 3: housed in a women's jail. Why is he there because
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Speaker 3: he's transitioned and identifies as a woman, so that gets
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Speaker 3: him in even though he has a penis.
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Speaker 2: It is that easy now.
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Speaker 3: Just said to Alan had an opportunity today to set
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Speaker 3: the record straight back women and say men should not
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Speaker 3: be allowed in women's spaces.
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Speaker 2: Instead, she did the opposite.
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to comment on individual circumstances of individual
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Speaker 4: prisoners across the Correction's Victorious system. The placement of prisoners
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Speaker 4: is one that is governed by Corrections Victoria, and the
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Speaker 4: safety and well being of all prisoners is paramount when
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Speaker 4: considering the placement of prisoners, and I'm just not going
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Speaker 4: to comment on the individual circumstances of any particular individual prisoners.
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Speaker 2: So let me get this right.
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Speaker 3: The activist, sorry, the woman actually in charge of the
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Speaker 3: state is unwilling and apparently unable to comment on the
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Speaker 3: safety and well being of citizens of her state. She
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Speaker 3: claims she can't intervene, or is that because she doesn't
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Speaker 3: want to intervene. Now I'd say the latter, because this
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Speaker 3: premiere presides over an ideologically warped government with wrong priorities
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Speaker 3: entrenched in gender ideology.
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Speaker 2: That's so far gone.
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Speaker 3: It puts the rights of a very small percentage of
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Speaker 3: the population ahead of everyone else. And once you're on
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Speaker 3: that horse, it's bolted and you can't go back around
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Speaker 3: the track. So it's hardly surprising she could not even
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Speaker 3: guarantee the safety of female inmates when asked today, because
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Speaker 3: she doesn't even know what a woman is.
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Speaker 4: I think it would be deeply inappropriate for any member
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Speaker 4: of Parliament, minister or Premier of the day to be
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Speaker 4: reaching in to Corrections Victoria and directing the placement of
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Speaker 4: any prisoner across the prison system. As I've just indicated,
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Speaker 4: the safety and well being of all prisoners is taken
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Speaker 4: into account by Corrections Victoria as they consider the placement
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Speaker 4: of prisoners across the prison system, and that is entirely appropriate.
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Speaker 4: And I'm just not going to comment on the individual
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Speaker 4: decisions by Corrections Victoria because they are best placed to
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Speaker 4: consider the safety and well being of all prisoners across
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Speaker 4: the prison system.
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Speaker 2: Look, this is just pathetic.
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Speaker 3: The government makes prison policy, it funds the system and
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Speaker 3: hires those who run it corrections. Victoria's can missioner's requirements
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Speaker 3: actually state that, as a guiding principle, a person should
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Speaker 3: be imprisoned in their prison of their gender rather than
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Speaker 3: their sex assigned or assumed at birth. And the Premier
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Speaker 3: has the gold to has palm it off to them. Well,
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Speaker 3: this might just be her best excuse yet.
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Speaker 2: And I'm just not going.
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Speaker 4: To comment on individual cases because that would then infer
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Speaker 4: that would then infer. But no, but I think more generally, again,
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Speaker 4: it's difficult to make general comments. It wouldn't then reflect
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Speaker 4: on this particular set of individual circumstances because they are
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Speaker 4: particularly unique.
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Speaker 3: So she's not going to comment because this case is
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Speaker 3: particularly unique. A man rapes his daughter, identifies as a woman,
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Speaker 3: goes to a woman's prison, can't comment to unique? Was
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Speaker 3: this not unique enough for the premiere when she oversaw
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Speaker 3: a respectful relationship school program where Victorian children as young
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Speaker 3: as five are being told their body parts may not
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Speaker 3: match their gender, Well, I'd say her response to that,
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Speaker 3: when pressed by the media, was actually unique.
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Speaker 4: That's just nonsense, It's disgraceful nonsense, Like seriously.
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Speaker 5: This sort of ongoing attack on a program that is
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Speaker 5: making a difference in kids' lives just should be stopped.
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Speaker 6: It should be stopped.
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Speaker 4: It's disgraceful reporting transgender kids are fifteen times more likely
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Speaker 4: to kill themselves.
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Speaker 3: Or was this not unique enough for the Premiere when
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Speaker 3: her government instructed librarians to ask children their pronouns as
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Speaker 3: part of a so called lgbt QI plus Rainbow toolkit.
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Speaker 2: Not unique? Just normal.
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Speaker 3: If this case of a father's incest is too unique
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Speaker 3: for her to comment on, then she is completely and
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Speaker 3: utterly incapable of fulfilling her role as Premiere and as
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Speaker 3: a guardian of the state. She should be enraged by
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Speaker 3: this case. The details are utterly horrific. The twenty five
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Speaker 3: year old father sexually abused his five year old daughter
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Speaker 3: and took photos and videos of himself molesting her in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Now I have read all of the
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Speaker 3: details of what he did to this poor little girl,
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Speaker 3: all of which are too graphic and too disturbing to
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Speaker 3: read out on air. He was sentenced to four years
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Speaker 3: and nine months imprisonment with a two and a half
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Speaker 3: year minimum. Hardly a punishment and hardly a story that
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Speaker 3: is too unique.
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Speaker 2: To comment on now.
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Speaker 3: This case was first reported in Australia by my colleague
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Speaker 3: James McPherson and I almost two weeks ago, when we
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Speaker 3: had Rachel Wong on our Sunday show from Women's Forum Australia,
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Speaker 3: who has been pushing forger sent to Alan to cough
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Speaker 3: up an explanation. The Premiere, the creature's minister, the woman,
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Speaker 3: and we have asked them to remove this man from
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Speaker 3: the prison, to explain how he got there in the
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Speaker 3: first place, to reassess their policies, and to make sure
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Speaker 3: that this never happens again. And almost two weeks later,
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Speaker 3: the Premier still won't intervene because it's too unique for her.
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Speaker 3: Now we have a real problem in Australia that goes
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Speaker 3: beyond this case. Everything we are seeing play out right
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Speaker 3: now in Victoria is okay because the law says so.
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Speaker 3: Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard amended the Sex Discrimination Acting
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Speaker 3: twenty thirteen and remove the definitions of sex man and woman.
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Speaker 3: So discrimination is defined, but sex is not. So how
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Speaker 3: can we know what gender identity is when our laws
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Speaker 3: have a raised the very definition of a man and
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Speaker 3: a woman. And here we are today having legal debates
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Speaker 3: across the country, like in the case of giggle versus tickle,
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Speaker 3: about whether a biological man in a dress is a
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Speaker 3: woman because our laws say they are. It says that
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Speaker 3: men's feelings are more important than women's. It says that
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Speaker 3: men can have legal protections while women's protections are taken away.
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Speaker 3: Australia's very own sex Discrimination Commissioner spoke the National Press
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Speaker 3: Club last week, proudly taking to the stage wearing a
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Speaker 3: badge with her pronouns on it. She her in case
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Speaker 3: you wanted to know, and she was asked about sex
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Speaker 3: based rights for women in the country, and her answer
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Speaker 3: was just as confusing as the assertion that men can
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Speaker 3: be women.
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Speaker 7: The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination
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Speaker 7: against Women' so I seed or is absolutely it's the
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Speaker 7: Women's Convention, but in understanding as we have developed. It
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Speaker 7: was signed back in nineteen seventy nine, I believe since
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Speaker 7: it's been in force in Australia, it has also been
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Speaker 7: interpreted by the Committee that looks at the meaning and
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Speaker 7: the understanding of each of the articles of the Convention.
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Speaker 7: So that includes and it has specifically said it includes culture,
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Speaker 7: rationally marginalized women. It includes lesbians, It includes First Nations women,
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Speaker 7: women with disability, and trans women. So it absolutely includes
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Speaker 7: all women because that is who women are. We're not
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Speaker 7: one version of women.
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Speaker 3: How many versions of women does she think there is? Look,
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you at home know the answer. I know
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Speaker 3: the answer. Does that make us bigots or geniuses? And
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Speaker 3: it depends really on who you ask? Don't ask to
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Speaker 3: cinter Allen, whatever you do. Sex is immutable. There are
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Speaker 3: two sexes, male and female. In the case of Giggle
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Speaker 3: versus Tickle, where biological man Rock sand Tickle argued he
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Speaker 3: had injured feelings after being booted out of a female
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Speaker 3: only app by founder Sal Grover and a Cody, the
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Speaker 3: Sex Discrimination Commissioner's counsel, Cecilia win It even argued that
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Speaker 3: the word woman in the Act included trans women, So
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Speaker 3: our laws don't protect women. The legal interpretation is pathetic
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Speaker 3: and the Sex Discrimination Commissioner cannot even fulfill her very
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Speaker 3: function of protecting women either. So how do we expect
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Speaker 3: to protect women in a woman's own li jail from
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Speaker 3: a male pedophile who raped his own daughter. Now I've
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Speaker 3: asked the Commissioner for comment, and if she supports male
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Speaker 3: sex offenders being housed in female prisons.
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Speaker 2: A spokesperson told us.
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately the Sex Discrimination Commissioner is unavailable for comment as
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Speaker 3: she's traveling for work. We also ask the Victorian Corrective
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Speaker 3: Services Minister for a statement and were referred to the
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Speaker 3: Premier's comments. We are a joke in this country, As
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Speaker 3: Julie Bindle writes in The Australian Today, to those of
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Speaker 3: us in the UK who have been vigorously and effectively
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Speaker 3: fighting back against the harms of transgender ideology, Australia is
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Speaker 3: a laughing stock. As a lifelong feminist campaigner against male
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Speaker 3: violence towards women and girls, to me, one thing is
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Speaker 3: crystal clear. There is a special place in hell reserved
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Speaker 3: for privileged women who should know better, but who still
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Speaker 3: betray other women. And it all comes down to a
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Speaker 3: very simple question, what is a woman Australia doesn't know?
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Speaker 3: For more on this, I'm now joined by tonight's panel,
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Speaker 3: Sky News host Caleb Bond and West Australian Opposition leader
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Speaker 3: Basil Zemplus Harding you both, thank you very much for
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Speaker 3: joining me on the show. Caleb, what did you make
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Speaker 3: of Premier just Cinta Allen's response to this today.
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Speaker 1: It's just pathetic, isn't it.
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Speaker 8: I mean, you'd think there would be nothing simpler than
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Speaker 8: to say, hmm, I don't think a biological man who
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Speaker 8: is a peterophile raped his own daughter should be in
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Speaker 8: a prison with other women, Like do you have to
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Speaker 8: think about that for any longer than about half a
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Speaker 8: second or even half a second at all? It should
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Speaker 8: be straightforward, because if you and I know in the judgment,
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Speaker 8: it was said that this individual is at low risk
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Speaker 8: of offending because it was believed it's known that it
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Speaker 8: was encouraged by someone overseas, so the judges come to
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Speaker 8: that conclusion. But if you were a woman in that prison,
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Speaker 8: does that make you feel any safer that you are
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Speaker 8: now dealing with a male sex offender in your women's
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Speaker 8: prisoners because the judge says are low risk of reoffending.
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Speaker 8: I don't think that makes you feel any safer. You
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Speaker 8: should be in a male prison. I thought we were
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Speaker 8: meant to be dealing with everyone else's rights. Now we're
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Speaker 8: talking about the rights of this prisoner are more important
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Speaker 8: than the rights of all the other prisoners.
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Speaker 1: It is a joke, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, the Premier says it's too unique for her
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Speaker 3: to comment on. I mean, you know, give me a break.
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Speaker 3: The premier Vasil has, as I mentioned, overseeing school programs
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Speaker 3: where children as young as five are being told that
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Speaker 3: their body parts might not match their gender. Yet she's
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Speaker 3: got no comment to make about this case. What does
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Speaker 3: it say about Jacinta Allen.
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Speaker 9: It is poor leadership on this particular case and in
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Speaker 9: these circumstances. And I think Caleem's approach, which is to
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Speaker 9: simplify it and break it down to what this is.
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Speaker 1: At its very core, is the approach.
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Speaker 9: This is a biological man who who identifies as a woman,
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Speaker 9: being housed in a women's prison, who sexually abused his
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Speaker 9: own daughter, and they are the facts that need to
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Speaker 9: be considered here. And I don't think, I don't think
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Speaker 9: a huge majority of Australians would think that a biological
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Speaker 9: man guilty of these sorts of crimes should be housed
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Speaker 9: in a women's prison.
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Speaker 1: It's as simple as that.
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Speaker 9: And that's what I think the Victorian people would like
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Speaker 9: to have heard from their premiere today. No history onics required,
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Speaker 9: just say it as it is, and they are the
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Speaker 9: facts that we are dealing with. It shouldn't be it
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Speaker 9: shouldn't be a particularly difficult assignment for the Victorian premier
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Speaker 9: based on those facts.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and this is the confusing thing.
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Speaker 3: It shouldn't be that difficult, basil your spot on it
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Speaker 3: should be very simple. Come out today, call it out
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Speaker 3: for what it is, nonsense and be enraged about this
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Speaker 3: because it is a serious issue. I just think it
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Speaker 3: was shocking by the premiere. Now, look, Anthony Arbaneasy is
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Speaker 3: about to call pup when you're getting an ally, but
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Speaker 3: only after pledging six hundred million dollars for a rugby
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Speaker 3: league team and a new parliament wing. P and G
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Speaker 3: has agreed to a landmark defense treaty weeks after. Of course,
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Speaker 3: you recall the Prime Minister failed to get that deal
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Speaker 3: over the line during his tour of the Pacific, after
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Speaker 3: China tried to intervene. Caleb, is this good diplomacy or
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Speaker 3: we're just buying friends?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: What do you think?
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Speaker 8: Well, in many ways, that's often how diplomacy works. We trade,
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Speaker 8: we barter, we give money in the hopes that it
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Speaker 8: will make as friends, and that is clearly what we
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Speaker 8: are doing in this case. And you could probably make
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Speaker 8: an argument that an ur Real team is the best
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Speaker 8: diplomacy you got offer because we well, we know that
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Speaker 8: sport can bring people together and it does create shared culture,
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Speaker 8: and I do think there is an argument for that
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Speaker 8: being important. But the problem is that in the race
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Speaker 8: with Chard, and that's ultimately what we're trying to abate here,
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Speaker 8: they have more money and we'll have more money forever
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Speaker 8: and for all ways. So we can throw as much
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Speaker 8: money as we wanted a P and G or any
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Speaker 8: other nation in the Pacific and hope that that means
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Speaker 8: China doesn't come in. But China can come in with
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Speaker 8: more money every single day of all So we are
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Speaker 8: making an effort, and we have to make any I mean,
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Speaker 8: you can't just sit back and go, oh oh, Chrying's
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Speaker 8: got more money. Let's just let China come in and
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Speaker 8: run the show. You have to make some effort. But
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Speaker 8: the reality is that if China wants to, they will
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Speaker 8: dominate us all the time. And we should be leaning
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Speaker 8: on our allies such as the US, who have just
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Speaker 8: as much a threat with places like Hawaii that are
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Speaker 8: in the Pacific and nations around there that they have
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Speaker 8: to deal with, to give us the support to deal
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Speaker 8: with places like P and G and the rest of
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Speaker 8: the Pacific. Because we simply can't do it on our own.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right now we're pushing out closest ally further further away,
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Speaker 3: even though we actually need them for these exact purposes.
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Speaker 3: I mean, China's already scuttled this deal once, Basil, Is
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Speaker 3: this the best way to counter China's influence in the Pacific?
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Speaker 9: Well, one thing we know is China's national rugby league
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Speaker 9: competition is not as strong as ours, so you haven't
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Speaker 9: got them to bear and this form of diplomacy sports diplomacy.
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Speaker 9: He's had a tough week the Prime Minister. But it's
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Speaker 9: not the worst idea. It's an expensive one, but it's
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Speaker 9: worth having a crack at. And clearly this is a
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Speaker 9: relationship that Australia needs to continue to foster. And when
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Speaker 9: you're trying to foster relationships, you talk to people on
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Speaker 9: a level and at a language, with a language that
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Speaker 9: they might understand and might resonate with them. And I
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Speaker 9: think this is worth a decent crack And well, we
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Speaker 9: would welcome them into the competition.
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Speaker 2: We know they'd be very strong players, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah that's true, but as you said, probably not as.
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Speaker 2: Good as ours. But you know what, we welcome them
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Speaker 2: in regard and they'll.
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Speaker 8: Have to compete with the perth bs too, Basil.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: We'll see how they goes. Yeah, quite right. That would
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Speaker 1: be a long away trip for them. We'll see.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point, Maz.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, let's talk about Optus.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they've had a shocking couple of weeks, but
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Speaker 3: it's been revealed it's on a Sintel paid zero row
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Speaker 3: company tax in twenty twenty three to twenty four despite
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Speaker 3: earning more than eight point two billion dollars in income
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Speaker 3: from its Aussie customers. So, Caleb, the company is earning
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Speaker 3: billions of dollars, it's paid no company tax. Yeah, for
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Speaker 3: some reason, still can't get triple zero working.
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Speaker 8: It's pretty extraordinary, isn't it. And this is one of
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Speaker 8: the problems with our corporate tax being as high as
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Speaker 8: it is, because you know, companies like a sing Till
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Speaker 8: or many other companies have corporate structures that allow them
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Speaker 8: obviously to pay tax and have their profits declared in
17:31
Speaker 8: other parts of the world where they pay lower corporate
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Speaker 8: tax rates, and over here they declare all their losses
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Speaker 8: and shift everything around to the losses in Australia so
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Speaker 8: they can write them off and they don't have to
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Speaker 8: pay any tax, which you know, I don't blame them
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Speaker 8: for doing so. If you had the opportunity to do that,
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Speaker 8: of course you would. But when you've got a company
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Speaker 8: like OPTAs that is paying no corporate tax and has
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Speaker 8: had such failures as it has in the last few
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Speaker 8: weeks and the last few years as well, you know,
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Speaker 8: this is not the first time we've had a major
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Speaker 8: problem with an op just outage or leaking of information
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Speaker 8: customer data from Optus. They've had a shoka in the
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Speaker 8: last few years. It gives the impression that they are
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Speaker 8: bad corporate citizens, and you'd think they'd want to do
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Speaker 8: something about that. But nothing in the response that I've
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Speaker 8: seen in the last couple of weeks from OPTAs suggests
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Speaker 8: that they are, and sing till their owners really suggest
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Speaker 8: that anyone's being pulled into line for this in a
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Speaker 8: serious way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, look, I completely agree with you. It's extraordinary
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Speaker 3: and given what's happened. Of course, there's been three deaths
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Speaker 3: that have been linked to Optus this outage, I think
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Speaker 3: it's absolutely appalling. We're going to have to leave it there,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much. Kayla Bond Basil's mplus. Great to
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Speaker 3: have you both on the show. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: We need to go now to that breaking news that
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Speaker 3: we brought you earlier in the show. We know now
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Speaker 3: that there was a stabbing at a synagogue in Manchester.
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Speaker 3: It's believed at least four people were injured. We've just
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Speaker 3: found out that the UK Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, will
18:55
Speaker 3: be flying back to the UK from Copenhagen early than
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Speaker 3: expected in response to these attacks. We've now got a
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Speaker 3: statement in from the UK Prime Minister. He says, I'm
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Speaker 3: appalled by the attack at the synagogue. The fact that
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Speaker 3: this has taken place on Jong Kipper, the holiest day
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Speaker 3: in the Jewish calendar, makes it.
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Speaker 2: All the more horrific.
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Speaker 3: My thoughts are with the loved ones of all those affected,
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Speaker 3: and my thanks go out to the emergency services. Let's
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Speaker 3: bring in News Corp correspondent Sophie Elseworth. Now she joins
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Speaker 3: us live from London. Sophie, what is the latest? What
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Speaker 3: do we know about this attack?
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Speaker 10: Well, look, this is obviously a shocking attack, Danika, that's
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Speaker 10: just broken over here in the UK. It's alleged that
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Speaker 10: a driver plowed through a crowd of people and stabbed
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Speaker 10: a security guard outside this synagogue in Manchester. So as
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Speaker 10: we can see from the pictures, there's plenty of police
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Speaker 10: and emergency services on the scene and a lot of
19:57
Speaker 10: people in shock, given this is the whole stay on
20:01
Speaker 10: the Jewish calendar. Now we have heard from the Prime
20:04
Speaker 10: Minister Sakia Stamer, as you mentioned, he's flying back from
20:08
Speaker 10: Copenhagen early to deal with this situation that is developing.
20:13
Speaker 10: And it's incredibly concerning, Danika because similar to Australia, there
20:18
Speaker 10: has been a rise in anti Semitism in the United Kingdom.
20:22
Speaker 10: So there's a lot of very distressed people learning of
20:26
Speaker 10: this news now and we wait to hear further details,
20:29
Speaker 10: but we know that four people are injured and we
20:32
Speaker 10: have that one security guard who has been stabbed.
20:36
Speaker 3: Look, it's frightening and we're just getting some live pictures
20:39
Speaker 3: and as we can see on our screen now you
20:41
Speaker 3: can see a lot of Jewish members I assume of
20:45
Speaker 3: the synagogue out there speaking to emergency services, trying to
20:48
Speaker 3: piece together here exactly what's happened. You can imagine that
20:51
Speaker 3: these roads will be closed for some time as an
20:53
Speaker 3: investigation takes place. Look, Sophie, more do we know particularly
20:59
Speaker 3: about this area in Manchester. Do we know if it's
21:02
Speaker 3: got a high Jewish population? What more can you tell us?
21:07
Speaker 10: So it was interesting Daneka because the Manchester Mayor, Andy
21:11
Speaker 10: Burnham has just come out on radio. He was doing
21:13
Speaker 10: a live interview on radio when the news broke of this.
21:18
Speaker 10: Now he says that the area has been cleared. Obviously
21:21
Speaker 10: it has a large Jewish community because they have synagogues
21:25
Speaker 10: in the region, but he has said that the site
21:28
Speaker 10: has been caught and off. He's urged people to stay
21:32
Speaker 10: away from this area given the investigations are ongoing. As
21:36
Speaker 10: we can see there, there's a chopper flying overhead and
21:40
Speaker 10: a large amount of police on the scene now. So
21:43
Speaker 10: this story will develop very quickly. We've only just learned
21:46
Speaker 10: about it in the last short while, but incredibly concerning
21:50
Speaker 10: here in the United Kingdom and Deniker. It does come
21:52
Speaker 10: at a very critical time here. Obviously the October seven attacks,
21:57
Speaker 10: the second anniversary is only a few few days away,
22:01
Speaker 10: and not forgetting that British Prime Minister Sakia Starma also
22:05
Speaker 10: just recognized Palestinian statehood here in the UK. So there's
22:10
Speaker 10: a lot of issues in relation to this stance by
22:14
Speaker 10: the UK government in terms of dealing with the issues
22:18
Speaker 10: in the Israel Gaza war. So a very distressing situation
22:22
Speaker 10: and one that we will learn more of as information
22:25
Speaker 10: comes to light.
22:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just having a look now.
22:29
Speaker 3: A bomb disposal truck has just arrived at the scene.
22:33
Speaker 3: Now the Greater Manchester Mayor says that the suspect is
22:37
Speaker 3: believed to be dead. We're waiting for official confirmation from police,
22:40
Speaker 3: but Andy Burnham says it's believed that the offender has deceased,
22:44
Speaker 3: that is what I meant mean, and saying that a
22:47
Speaker 3: degree of reassurance can be given that this is certainly
22:49
Speaker 3: not a developing incident. So I guess that's one some
22:53
Speaker 3: reassurance for locals there.
22:56
Speaker 2: But look, you know it's interesting, Sophie. You mentioned of.
22:59
Speaker 3: Course Istama and other world leaders have just recognized Palesine.
23:03
Speaker 3: We've seen a rise in anti Semitic attacks, not just
23:06
Speaker 3: in the UK, around the world, here in Australia and
23:10
Speaker 3: this is just yet another example.
23:14
Speaker 10: Well, Danika, just on the back of that information that's
23:16
Speaker 10: come to light that the alleged defender is deceased, that's
23:20
Speaker 10: obviously just coming through, so we'll have to wait for
23:23
Speaker 10: that to be verified. And obviously an incredible amount of
23:28
Speaker 10: concern here in the UK. I've spoken to many people
23:32
Speaker 10: in the Jewish community here in my time in the
23:35
Speaker 10: UK a Jewish residence who say they don't feel safe
23:38
Speaker 10: in the UK. It's got a very it's become very
23:42
Speaker 10: distressing for a lot of Jewish communities here in the UK.
23:47
Speaker 10: They're saying that the rise of anti Semitism is on
23:51
Speaker 10: the incline. And as we also heard, Opposition leaders Kemmy
23:57
Speaker 10: Badenock also came out short to go and condemned this
24:01
Speaker 10: attack because she's been obviously very outspoken on the rise
24:06
Speaker 10: of anti Semitism. But yes, the issue here Daneka is
24:10
Speaker 10: fever pitch and as particularly this is on the holiest
24:15
Speaker 10: day in the Jewish calendar, particularly because we have October seven,
24:19
Speaker 10: the anniversary next week. There's still hostages in Gaza. We've
24:23
Speaker 10: got a government that's just recognized Palestinian statehood. So there's
24:28
Speaker 10: a lot of moving parts here, but incredibly distressing to
24:32
Speaker 10: learn of this attack just on a Thursday morning, Daneka
24:35
Speaker 10: in Manchester, in a quiet part of Manchester and this
24:39
Speaker 10: has taken place.
24:41
Speaker 3: Oh look, it's a shopping situation. Sophiel'sworth really appreciate you
24:46
Speaker 3: joining us.
24:46
Speaker 2: Thank you. When we'll touch base with you soon.
24:50
Speaker 3: I want to bring in now Australia and Jewish Affairs
24:53
Speaker 3: Council Executive Manager Joel Bernie. Joel, thank you for your
24:57
Speaker 3: time this evening. Firstly, your initial reaction to what's occurring
25:02
Speaker 3: in Manchester.
25:04
Speaker 6: Well, Dinika, thank you for having me on. And my
25:07
Speaker 6: first reaction is obviously deep sadness and sorrow for what's
25:12
Speaker 6: unraveling in Manchester in the UK. But one thing I'm
25:15
Speaker 6: definitely not as surprised on your show and many other shows.
25:19
Speaker 6: For the past two years, we have been raising the
25:22
Speaker 6: alarm not just here in Australia as diaspraa DUWS, but
25:25
Speaker 6: in other DIASPA Jewish communities including Canada, UK, BRANCE and
25:31
Speaker 6: other places around the world. Since the horrific events of
25:34
Speaker 6: October seven and twenty twenty three, our whole communities have
25:37
Speaker 6: been under siege by ramp and anti Semitism duggish behavior
25:43
Speaker 6: by organized groups on the intersectionalized left, the neo Nazi,
25:48
Speaker 6: ultra nationalist right, Islamist elements in our countries as well. So,
25:53
Speaker 6: unfortunately this type of event has happened and was bound
25:59
Speaker 6: to continue. Knew to happen in the vacuum of steady
26:03
Speaker 6: and strong leadership in our respective countries and jurisdictions. Anti
26:08
Speaker 6: Semitism is a disease. It metastasizes, it changes forms. It's
26:12
Speaker 6: a toxin in our society that has been able to
26:16
Speaker 6: fester over the past two years with the allowance of
26:20
Speaker 6: the violent rhetoric on our streets, the consistent protesting the
26:25
Speaker 6: marginalization of Jews in cultural spaces, in different employment spheres
26:30
Speaker 6: and in public spaces. This type of violent action was
26:35
Speaker 6: always going to be the outcome of it. And it's
26:38
Speaker 6: about time that our leaders here in Australia look at
26:41
Speaker 6: what's been going on in the past two years here
26:44
Speaker 6: and look at what's going on in similar jurisdictions around
26:47
Speaker 6: the world and wake up to their foolish lack of
26:51
Speaker 6: leadership that is unfortunately putting all Jews in the Western
26:55
Speaker 6: civilizations at risk.
26:57
Speaker 3: Absolutely your spot on and I just remind our audience
27:00
Speaker 3: of what we know so far. So four people have
27:03
Speaker 3: been injured in this attack. It occurred at the Heaton
27:06
Speaker 3: Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue.
27:09
Speaker 2: This is in Manchester.
27:11
Speaker 3: It is believed that the suspect has been shot. The
27:15
Speaker 3: local mayor there believes that the suspect is dead, but
27:18
Speaker 3: we are a stress waiting for official confirmation from police
27:22
Speaker 3: to find that out. And they do believe that there's
27:24
Speaker 3: going to be armed police, a real heavy police presence
27:28
Speaker 3: there for some time as they investigate. We just also
27:30
Speaker 3: heard from the Tory leader Kemmi Betaknox. She's just told
27:33
Speaker 3: the BBC and outrageous attack on the Jewish community on
27:36
Speaker 3: their holiest day. She says it's vile and disgusting. And Joel,
27:41
Speaker 3: this is exactly the point. It's happened on Yom Kipper.
27:43
Speaker 3: This is the holiest day of the year for Jews
27:49
Speaker 3: and this is clearly deliberate.
27:51
Speaker 2: They deliberately did this on this day.
27:55
Speaker 6: Well, you're one hundred percent correct, So in the Australian
27:58
Speaker 6: time frame, so it's just getting to about eight thirty
28:01
Speaker 6: now in Australia time, many Jews will be exiting synagogue
28:05
Speaker 6: after a very very long and difficult day of fasting,
28:09
Speaker 6: but of deep personal reflection and atonement of what is
28:12
Speaker 6: our holiest day. So the synagogues today in Australia were
28:16
Speaker 6: all packed, packed to the rafters as they would have
28:19
Speaker 6: been with many congregants walking to synagogue early in the
28:24
Speaker 6: morning today UK time, going about their own business, looking
28:28
Speaker 6: for a day of family, for a day of self
28:31
Speaker 6: introspection and also atonement on our holiest day, but knowing
28:35
Speaker 6: in the back of their minds that even the simple
28:38
Speaker 6: task of walking to synagogue as an identifiable Jew is
28:42
Speaker 6: no longer safe in the countries that we live in.
28:46
Speaker 6: So yes, this is definitely a targeted attack. It's definitely
28:49
Speaker 6: been planned to happen on our holiest day and the
28:53
Speaker 6: main intention of it is to rip terror on our communities.
28:57
Speaker 1: This is a terror attack.
28:59
Speaker 6: Obvious that there is more details to come. It is
29:03
Speaker 6: very very early on. But as you say, versely, a
29:06
Speaker 6: vehicular attack where congregants just walking to synagogue appear to
29:10
Speaker 6: have been run over by a car, where the assailant
29:14
Speaker 6: has apparently jumped out and started stabbing people as well.
29:17
Speaker 6: So this is the type of environment that we live in.
29:20
Speaker 6: No one in Australia can say, well, it happened in
29:22
Speaker 6: the UK, so it can't happen here. We all know
29:25
Speaker 6: that that's not true, and we know that that's not
29:27
Speaker 6: true given the number of anti Semitic attacks that have
29:30
Speaker 6: occurred in Australia, the number of public fire bombings, of synagogues.
29:36
Speaker 1: And we're also got to talk about.
29:37
Speaker 6: The low level stuff that happens on a daily basis
29:40
Speaker 6: to each individual Jew, the canceling of them, the canceling
29:44
Speaker 6: of safe spaces for Jews and designers and lots of
29:47
Speaker 6: different fields in science, in medicine, in arts, at the universities.
29:53
Speaker 1: This has gone on for.
29:54
Speaker 6: Too long and the results were always inevitable. This was
29:57
Speaker 6: always going to end in violence, and we've been saying
29:59
Speaker 6: this from day one and still to this day, our
30:02
Speaker 6: leaders are not doing what is required to protect us.
30:06
Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely spot on it.
30:07
Speaker 3: It's interesting because you mentioned there that this is a
30:10
Speaker 3: terror attack and I'm just having a look the latest
30:12
Speaker 3: from police and emergency services say that they've declared plateau,
30:17
Speaker 3: which is a code word that they use when responding
30:20
Speaker 3: to a marauding terror attack. So you know it is
30:24
Speaker 3: likely obviously that this will be investigated as such. The
30:29
Speaker 3: UK Prime Minister Joel is on his way back from Copenhagen.
30:32
Speaker 2: He's cut his trip there short to address this.
30:35
Speaker 3: But one thing that you mentioned, and also Sophie before,
30:38
Speaker 3: let's not forget that it was only a week and
30:40
Speaker 3: a half ago that you had Keir Starmer, Anthony Albanesi
30:43
Speaker 3: and a congo line of others line up at the
30:45
Speaker 3: United Nations to recognize Palestinian statehood and the first people
30:49
Speaker 3: to reward them was hum Us. Do you think that
30:53
Speaker 3: this only just acts to embolden people to carry out
30:57
Speaker 3: these attacks because there's never any crack down, there's never
31:01
Speaker 3: any consequence for it.
31:04
Speaker 6: Well, if you look at the domestic context and focus
31:06
Speaker 6: on the Prime minister, Let's not forget that the Prime
31:08
Speaker 6: minister's own electoral office is being shut down because of
31:12
Speaker 6: the violent protests that has been witnessed outside of his
31:15
Speaker 6: electoral office for the past two years.
31:17
Speaker 1: So even the.
31:17
Speaker 6: Prime Minister's office isn't safe from these people, but the
31:21
Speaker 6: Prime Minister decided that he didn't want to do what
31:23
Speaker 6: was required to move them on. Now, in terms of
31:27
Speaker 6: the Western leaders who recently recognized Palestine, the critical thing
31:31
Speaker 6: here is is that these leaders seem to be in
31:34
Speaker 6: complete la la land. They recognized Palestine to spite and
31:39
Speaker 6: as a punitive measure against Bena Minette Naju, and what
31:43
Speaker 6: they allege is what they alleged to his issues with
31:47
Speaker 6: the prosecution of the war in Gaza. This was more
31:50
Speaker 6: about punishing Bibi than actually creating something on the ground
31:55
Speaker 6: for the future, of a future betterment of the Palestine people.
31:59
Speaker 1: And I think that that's most reflective.
32:01
Speaker 6: In the very unusual and odd but unfortunately saddening comments
32:06
Speaker 6: of the Prime Minister after the Trump Peace Plan. So
32:10
Speaker 6: he you had Israel agreeing to terms to end this war,
32:14
Speaker 6: to pull its troops out of Gaza, to confirm that
32:17
Speaker 6: it would not annex Gaza, and provide the people of
32:20
Speaker 6: Gaza with a transitional government and with some sense of
32:25
Speaker 6: a future that they can regrow and redevelop their area,
32:30
Speaker 6: stay in the enclave without the presence of the IDF,
32:34
Speaker 6: something that should have been celebrated. But in the Prime
32:36
Speaker 6: Minister's comments, he not once mentioned Israel, not once mentioned
32:41
Speaker 6: the care and the hope of many Australian Jews who
32:44
Speaker 6: for the past two years have been praying every day,
32:47
Speaker 6: those for those hostages who are deep underground in terror
32:51
Speaker 6: tunnels in Gaza, or for the thousands of soldiers who
32:56
Speaker 6: have been killed in these operations to defend the state
32:59
Speaker 6: of Israel. The alleged friend of Israel for the past
33:03
Speaker 6: seventy seven years couldn't even bring himself to congratulate Bibi
33:07
Speaker 6: Netanyahu on agreeing to bring this war to an end.
33:11
Speaker 6: So these leaders, in their pursuit of Palestine recognition as
33:16
Speaker 6: a punitive measure against Israel is picked up by certain
33:20
Speaker 6: people in our society. It emboldens them and it gives
33:23
Speaker 6: them the encouragement that they obviously need to carry out
33:26
Speaker 6: the type of attacks that we witness in Australia, but
33:29
Speaker 6: also what we're witnessing on the streets of Manchester.
33:32
Speaker 3: Just now, yeah, look your spot on. It's absolutely frightening.
33:35
Speaker 3: Job Bernie, really appreciate you joining us. Thank you so
33:38
Speaker 3: much for your time, and we will of course be
33:40
Speaker 3: keeping you updated throughout the evening on this or. We
33:42
Speaker 3: know thus far four people injured after someone drove their
33:47
Speaker 3: car at members of the public outside this synagogue in Manchester.
33:52
Speaker 3: One person has been stabbed. We also believe that the
33:55
Speaker 3: suspect was killed, but we are waiting confirmation and so
34:00
Speaker 3: do stay with us throughout the evening.
34:02
Speaker 2: We'll be keeping you up to date.
34:04
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break though, economist a Leith van
34:06
Speaker 3: Nonslin will be on the program to discuss the rental
34:09
Speaker 3: prices biting hard while Labour's housing promises go up in smoke.
34:12
Speaker 2: That's next.
34:17
Speaker 3: Well, the Coalition has indicated it will likely readopt nuclear
34:21
Speaker 3: energy as part of its post election policy review. Here
34:24
Speaker 3: was Shadow Energy Minister Dan Tea in today.
34:27
Speaker 11: There is a nuclear renaissance taking place in the US
34:32
Speaker 11: that is basically also happening around the globe. If we're
34:37
Speaker 11: to meaningfully make any impact when it comes to global
34:42
Speaker 11: emissions reduction, then nuclear has to be part of the
34:46
Speaker 11: equation going forward, and we've got to be able to
34:49
Speaker 11: grow this proven technology.
34:52
Speaker 3: For more on this, I'm now joined by National's leader
34:55
Speaker 3: David Little Proud David Good to catch up. Thanks very
34:57
Speaker 3: much for joining me. So look, this is good news.
35:01
Speaker 3: Is the coalition really sticking with nuclear?
35:05
Speaker 12: It will, in fact nuclear will be part of our
35:08
Speaker 12: policy platform if you cash your mind back after the election,
35:11
Speaker 12: the National Party left the coalition until we had a
35:14
Speaker 12: surety that we would have a technology agnostic approach to
35:18
Speaker 12: our energy grid that includes nuclear energys as simple as
35:21
Speaker 12: that it will be in some form part of the
35:24
Speaker 12: grid that we will take to the next election. And
35:27
Speaker 12: you can't run an economy of the scale size of
35:29
Speaker 12: Australia on an all renewables approach. Portugal and Spain had
35:33
Speaker 12: a red hot crack they got to seventy seven percent
35:35
Speaker 12: renewables and they lost their grid for over a week
35:38
Speaker 12: and a half. We need base load power. And the
35:41
Speaker 12: scare campaign that Anthony Albanezi ran the last election of
35:45
Speaker 12: a six hundred billion dollar lie that when Frontier economics,
35:49
Speaker 12: our total grid which was thirty eight percent nuclear energy,
35:52
Speaker 12: around fifty percent renewables and the balances colon gas was
35:57
Speaker 12: three and thirty one billion dollars. And now we see
35:59
Speaker 12: that there renewables approach will be well beyond one point
36:02
Speaker 12: three trillion dollars. And the fact that the government's not
36:06
Speaker 12: prepared to tell us what this all renewable madness will
36:08
Speaker 12: be just goes to show that Bowen and co. Are
36:12
Speaker 12: taking this country down a path where we are de
36:14
Speaker 12: industrializing in our country. And unless the adults take back
36:19
Speaker 12: ownership and get some base load power back into the
36:22
Speaker 12: grid where the rest of the world is following, particularly
36:25
Speaker 12: with nuclear energy, we're going to be left behind and
36:28
Speaker 12: we're going to be poorer for it.
36:29
Speaker 3: Now, look, I couldn't agree more so. The Liberals seem
36:33
Speaker 3: to have come on board then with nuclear, which is
36:35
Speaker 3: great for the nationals. As you said that this was
36:37
Speaker 3: what you guys wanted from the beginning, but you still
36:39
Speaker 3: haven't settled though on net zero. I mean that seems
36:42
Speaker 3: to be the elephant in the room still for the coalition.
36:46
Speaker 3: How long is it going to take before you get
36:47
Speaker 3: a consensus on this?
36:50
Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, I'd like to settle a position sooner rather
36:53
Speaker 12: than later. I think it's important that we are upfront
36:55
Speaker 12: and honest of the Australian people. Net zero isn't the
36:57
Speaker 12: only way in which to reduce submissions. I mean this
37:01
Speaker 12: labor net zero is destroying our country and net zero
37:04
Speaker 12: has become more about trying to achieve the impossible rather
37:07
Speaker 12: than doing what's sensible. What sensible is not going down
37:11
Speaker 12: an or renewable's path to give us base load power.
37:14
Speaker 12: To understand that we can't mitigate a reduction of emissions
37:20
Speaker 12: across the globe, but we're only a bit over one percent,
37:22
Speaker 12: and when the rest of the world isn't doing the
37:24
Speaker 12: heavy lifting, particularly China and the United States and India,
37:28
Speaker 12: our country is being pegged and disadvantage by a biopledge
37:35
Speaker 12: that is deindustrializing our country and without any common sense.
37:39
Speaker 12: So the nationals will finalize our position where Matt Canavan's
37:44
Speaker 12: working through those processes for us now in terms of
37:46
Speaker 12: making sure that we have the real data. And then
37:49
Speaker 12: we're working with the Liberals and hopefully get them to
37:51
Speaker 12: a position that they can settle sooner rather than later.
37:54
Speaker 12: But part of that will have to be a sensible
37:57
Speaker 12: energy policy that includes oh.
38:00
Speaker 3: Look absolutely and look hopefully a consensus can be reached soon. Now, David,
38:05
Speaker 3: we've been worn time and time again that Australia is
38:07
Speaker 3: facing a gas shortage, which is of course.
38:10
Speaker 2: Extraordinary given where we're swimming in it.
38:12
Speaker 3: The will Aha will See is today again warning that
38:15
Speaker 3: the energy market will enter winter twenty twenty six without
38:19
Speaker 3: any surplus gas generated by fields in New South Wales
38:22
Speaker 3: and Victoria. Look, we are the second biggest exporter of LNG.
38:27
Speaker 3: We've export about eighty percent of what we actually produce here.
38:30
Speaker 3: The more we rely on renewables, David, the more we
38:34
Speaker 3: need gas generation.
38:35
Speaker 2: To firm up supplies.
38:36
Speaker 3: Of course, because we've got coal being pushed out of
38:38
Speaker 3: the market in favor of wind and solar, we're left
38:42
Speaker 3: totally exposed, exactly.
38:46
Speaker 12: And I'm glad to see that the current Queensland government
38:49
Speaker 12: is now saying that our coal fired power assets, the
38:52
Speaker 12: state owned ones through government corporations will continue for decades.
38:57
Speaker 12: It will need to and you've got to understand we
39:00
Speaker 12: need to continue to develop our gas. In fact, we
39:02
Speaker 12: have developed our gas assets here in queens and New
39:04
Speaker 12: South Wales and Victoria, who rely more heavily on gas
39:08
Speaker 12: is sitting there looking down their nose saying well, we
39:11
Speaker 12: want gas, but they're not prepared to drill a whole themselves.
39:14
Speaker 12: The reality is is that much of the gas in
39:17
Speaker 12: Queensland has been committed overseas, and that's not the fault
39:20
Speaker 12: I've got to say of the gas companies. When Queensland
39:23
Speaker 12: open up the gas fields, those gas companies because Anna
39:26
Speaker 12: Bly and Julia Gillard said to them, we don't want
39:29
Speaker 12: it in our grid, because Queensland didn't want them competing
39:32
Speaker 12: with our coal fired power assets on the East Coast
39:35
Speaker 12: energy grid, because we get about one point eight billion
39:38
Speaker 12: dollars worth of dividends in generation and distribution from Queensland
39:42
Speaker 12: because we've got coal fired power assets. They wanted that
39:44
Speaker 12: gas to go overseas. So the gas companies did what
39:46
Speaker 12: they were told and they put it out through Curtis Island.
39:49
Speaker 12: But we need to open up more fields. Beaterly will
39:52
Speaker 12: come on in some time, but that's ways off. New
39:55
Speaker 12: South Wales and Victoria have to start drilling holes and
39:58
Speaker 12: drill quickly otherwise we will see the lights out. And
40:01
Speaker 12: just understand that. I'm all for drilling more gas, but
40:05
Speaker 12: your energy bills determined by the highest input costs. The
40:07
Speaker 12: highest input cost is gas, so that's why you just
40:10
Speaker 12: can't deal it with renewables and gas. You actually need
40:14
Speaker 12: a baseload power through coal and also a nuclear energy
40:18
Speaker 12: into the future. That's why we need an integrated mixed
40:21
Speaker 12: grid rather than this all one point five trillion dollar
40:24
Speaker 12: grid that Anthony Albanezi and Chris Bowen is going to
40:27
Speaker 12: thrust upon us exactly.
40:29
Speaker 3: And we're just not preparing for the future with that
40:32
Speaker 3: baseload power right now because we're sending coal out of
40:35
Speaker 3: the market and it's just leaving us short.
40:38
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this story.
40:39
Speaker 3: A major car maker is warning that hybrid prices will
40:42
Speaker 3: soar under Labour's emission scheme. Honder Australia chief executive J
40:46
Speaker 3: Joseph has told The Australian the policy risks being counterproductive,
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Speaker 3: with many Aussies likely to keep their old car on
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Speaker 3: the road longer rather.
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Speaker 2: Than switching to an electric vehicle.
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Speaker 3: The Energy Minister Chris Bolan said consumer and motoring advocates,
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Speaker 3: makers and dealers support standards with teeth because they know
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Speaker 3: their customers benefit from cars.
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Speaker 2: That are cheaper to run.
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Speaker 3: David Look, neighbor can't get its energy policy right and
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Speaker 3: now it can't even guarantee the cost of its dream
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Speaker 3: of electric vehicles.
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Speaker 1: Well, they're not.
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Speaker 12: Going to get over fifty percent of our cars being
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Speaker 12: EV by twenty thirty five. Matt Keen and Chris Bowen
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Speaker 12: are living in La La Land. The reality is that
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Speaker 12: represents less than ten percent of total sales at the moment,
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Speaker 12: and this new policy is actually going to drive up
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Speaker 12: the price of new vehicles for those that are hybrids
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Speaker 12: in particular, and for us in regional rule and remote.
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Speaker 12: I've got some properties in my electro that wouldn't get
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Speaker 12: to the front gate before the battery ran out, littlone
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Speaker 12: being able to recharge it again. We're one of the
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Speaker 12: most decentralized countries in the world and to have and
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Speaker 12: to make this trained tax per go around and fund
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Speaker 12: EV recharging stations is pure madness. Technology is coming in
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Speaker 12: terms of hybrids and making sure that we have fuel efficiency.
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Speaker 12: We'll get this right without having to tax the Australian people.
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Speaker 12: Cars are going to go up as of next year,
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Speaker 12: particularly anything that isn't an EV and you're paying out
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Speaker 12: a subsidy, particularly to those that are earning over one
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Speaker 12: hundred and fifty thousand dollars to buy an EV. So
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Speaker 12: I'm all for choice. I'm not against evs, but the
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Speaker 12: Australian tax payer shouldn't have to pay for that. And
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Speaker 12: this ideological madness that Crispaon and Anthony Albanezi you're taking
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Speaker 12: us on not just goes to your energy bill. It
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Speaker 12: transcends into what you're going to have to pay for
42:39
Speaker 12: a vehicle. So the market will decide because you can't
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Speaker 12: afford to buy one of these evs, and then you
42:46
Speaker 12: don't have the ability, particularly in regional areas, to run
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Speaker 12: them because the batteries run out. So this is just
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Speaker 12: ideology not meeting the practical reality. We need some common
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Speaker 12: sense brought back into this.
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Speaker 1: World.
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Speaker 12: Will move in terms of getting your efficiencies. But we'll
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Speaker 12: do that because it's cheaper and better to run.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, David little Proud, good to catch up.
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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, for joining me on the show this evening.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me after the break.
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Speaker 3: The rental vacancy rate plunge plunges to a record low
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Speaker 3: as labor fails to deliver on any of its housing targets.
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Speaker 2: Economists Leath Van Onsoalin is next. Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in macro Business chief Economists now, Leath van
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Speaker 3: Onsalan Leith, good.
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Speaker 2: To see you.
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Speaker 3: We've been talking a lot about migration and its impact
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Speaker 3: on housing, but now we know that the rental crisis
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Speaker 3: is dire.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us about the latest results.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, this is absolutely shocking news to Menka. So things
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Speaker 13: have gone from bad to worse for Australia's long suffering renters.
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Speaker 1: So Catality.
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Speaker 13: September Housing report, which was released yesterday showed that the
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Speaker 13: nation's rental vacancy rates plunged to a new record load
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Speaker 13: just one point four percent, and that's about half what
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Speaker 13: it was pandemic. Advertised rents are also rising quite quickly,
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Speaker 13: and the total number of rental properties listed for rent
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Speaker 13: is down by about forty percent from its pre pandemic level.
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Speaker 13: So this collapse in rental vancy rates appears to be
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Speaker 13: driven by resurgence in that overseas migration. We've just seen
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Speaker 13: the record net permit long term arrivals in the first
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Speaker 13: seven months of this year, which suggests that migration is
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Speaker 13: picking up again.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I mean, we know that Labour's not going to
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Speaker 3: reach any of its housing targets. We knew that from
44:29
Speaker 3: leak Treasury advice, but latest dwelling approval figures for July
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Speaker 3: shows that approvals are twenty two percent leaf behind Labour's
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Speaker 3: National Housing accord.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it just blows its goal out of the water.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 13: So it's in the first fourteen months of the National
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Speaker 13: Housing the CORB started last July last year, we've had
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Speaker 13: two hundred and eighteen thousand, three hundred approvals. Now that's
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Speaker 13: sixty one thousand, or nearly sixty two thousand below the
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Speaker 13: government's target of two hundred and eighty thousand dwellings. And look,
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Speaker 13: it's important to not that, you know, just because the
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Speaker 13: thrillings approved doesn't mean it's going to be built. Historically,
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Speaker 13: any about ninety five percent of approvals actually proceed to construction.
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Speaker 13: And hilariously, Damika Prime Minister Anthony Albanize today was boasting
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Speaker 13: that five hundred thousand homes have been built while Labour's
45:14
Speaker 13: being in office. Well, guess what the tree numbers actually
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Speaker 13: four undred and eighty five thousand. But guess what the
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Speaker 13: population is increased by one point five million over that time.
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Speaker 13: So we haven't built enough homes.
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Speaker 3: No, we just keep putting more and more pressure on
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Speaker 3: the housing market while we keep bringing more people into
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Speaker 3: the country.
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Speaker 2: Look, speaking of, foreigners have.
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Speaker 3: Outnumbered Ossie's students at the nation's oldest university, Sydney University
45:37
Speaker 3: last year.
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Speaker 2: This is according to Federal.
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Speaker 3: Education Department figures published in The Australian. We're talking fifty
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Speaker 3: one percent of all Australian based students came from overseas
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Speaker 3: leafe last year. This year he received one point six
45:51
Speaker 3: billion from foreign students fees last year alone.
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Speaker 2: It is a migration giant.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so.
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Speaker 13: Astralia as the highest cont tradtion of international students in
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Speaker 13: the world. Actually we're second after Luxembourg, which is about
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Speaker 13: the size of Canberra, so it doesn't really count. But
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Speaker 13: Jobs and Skills Australia released a report this week and
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Speaker 13: it basically admitted that international students mostly come to Australia
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Speaker 13: for work and permanent residency, not for education, and they
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Speaker 13: basically admitted that the whole international education system is basically
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Speaker 13: one big migration scam. And they admitted that they've got
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Speaker 13: poor English English language proficiency generally, and the ones that
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Speaker 13: stay on tend to work in low skilled jobs. So
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Speaker 13: what Australia should be doing Danika is focusing on quality
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Speaker 13: over quantity. We need far fewer students that are much
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Speaker 13: higher quality. But unfortunately, the Albanese government has just raised
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Speaker 13: the planning level for international students by twenty five thousand
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Speaker 13: for next year and it's also lowered to mid English
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Speaker 13: language requirements. So they're going for quantity over quality unfortunately.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're all paying the price for it. Leith Balanceale,
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Speaker 3: nice to see you. Thanks so much for joining me
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Speaker 3: on the show. Coming up after the break, Labour's renewables
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Speaker 3: revolution the majority of but on agricultural land. I'll speak
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Speaker 3: to a farmer in New South Wales next. Welcome back.
47:08
Speaker 3: Just an update on the situation in Manchester. The UKPM
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Speaker 3: Kiir Starmer has just spoken to journalists as he makes
47:15
Speaker 3: his way back from Copenhagen to the UK. He said, quote,
47:18
Speaker 3: I'm on my way back to London. When I arrive,
47:20
Speaker 3: I will chair an emergency Cobra meeting. I'm already able
47:23
Speaker 3: to say that additional police assets are being deployed to
47:25
Speaker 3: synagogues across the country, and we will do everything to
47:28
Speaker 3: keep our Jewish community safe. He went on to board
47:31
Speaker 3: that plane. So we will bring you more updates as
47:34
Speaker 3: they come. But let's move on now, because here is
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Speaker 3: the truth. No one wants to admit Labour's renewables revolution
47:40
Speaker 3: means twenty five thousand giant wind towers, forty five thousand
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Speaker 3: kilometers of roads, and two hundred and fifty million solar panels.
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Speaker 3: Now we've got our first glimpse of this roll out
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Speaker 3: this week in a project by a conservationist. For more
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Speaker 3: on this, I'm joined by Flower Farmer from Bookham, near
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Speaker 3: the New South Wales town of Yas, Derek Bush. Derek,
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Speaker 3: thank you for joining me. What was the reaction when
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Speaker 3: you first saw that that full scale laid bare like that?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
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Speaker 14: Look, it's a pretty amazing map, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: Look.
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Speaker 14: Hopefully it's not just communities like Bookham and Yas that
48:13
Speaker 14: get to see the impact a government has with their
48:16
Speaker 14: intermittent power generation sort of agenda. Our city cousins might
48:21
Speaker 14: actually start to see a bit of this. Now when
48:23
Speaker 14: you have you know, you see what sort of the
48:25
Speaker 14: sort of article happens in the Australian, they might ask
48:28
Speaker 14: some questions because the government really really needs to listen
48:31
Speaker 14: to actually the community because you know, one point three
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Speaker 14: trillion dollars for this agenda. It's you know, it's affecting
48:39
Speaker 14: vast tracks of rural Australia Humli South like where we
48:44
Speaker 14: are down in Yas. It was supposed to be one
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Speaker 14: billion dollars now it's blown out a three point two
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Speaker 14: billion and they've only just started building it. The Irana
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Speaker 14: Central res up near Orange six hundred million dollars now
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Speaker 14: it's blown out to three point four billion. You know,
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Speaker 14: one extraordinary expanse of land and money that's been wasted,
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Speaker 14: you know, on a twenty year plus project.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we still don't know exactly what it's going to
49:10
Speaker 3: do to our power bills though they have already gone
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Speaker 3: up and it's all agricultural land that is being dug up. I. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 3: there are reports this week that aerial support pilots are
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Speaker 3: refusing to fly between giant Net zero projects for fear
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Speaker 3: of crashing into wind turbines, leaving volunteer fire crews very
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Speaker 3: worried that they're going to be sitting ducks in a
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Speaker 3: major blaze. Derek, The Yas Valley has a history of
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Speaker 3: major fires occurring.
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Speaker 2: I believe it's every two and a half years.
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Speaker 3: So how concerned would firefighters and the RFS be right now?
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Speaker 14: The problem is with you know what's happening with all
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Speaker 14: the turbines is they're massive clusters. Know we're looking and okay,
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Speaker 14: so you've got book EM's got eighty nine turbines, we're
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Speaker 14: jass Was one hundred and twenty three, Jeremiah sixty five,
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Speaker 14: Copper Vellus seventy five, Bondo one hundred and fifty four,
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Speaker 14: Bender nine ninety.
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Speaker 1: These are all on the western.
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Speaker 14: Side of me. Yes camera Mauram Bateman bounding book them.
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Speaker 14: Firefighters cannot get in there with aerial support when you've
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Speaker 14: got this amount of turbines plus humling, So lives are
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Speaker 14: going to be at risk just simply because fires will
50:22
Speaker 14: not be able to be suppressed from the air. When
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Speaker 14: you've got catastrophic fire days, the fires move incredibly fast.
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Speaker 14: It just takes one whole tool out of the firefighting
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Speaker 14: sort of armory.
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Speaker 1: It's just not acceptable.
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Speaker 14: It is seriously not acceptable for all these communities be
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Speaker 14: put at so much risk.
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Speaker 2: No, look, I completely agree.
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Speaker 3: It's a real worry and I just think it's going
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Speaker 3: to get worse. Derek Bush, nice to see you again.
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Speaker 3: Thanks very much for joining me the show this evening.
50:52
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50:53
Speaker 3: keeping you up to date throughout the night on that
50:56
Speaker 3: breaking news out of Manchester, or we know thus far
50:59
Speaker 3: is that four people have been injured after a car
51:02
Speaker 3: drove into people outside a synagogue in Manchester.
51:06
Speaker 2: One person was then stabbed.
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Speaker 3: The local mayor has said that the suspect has been
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Speaker 3: killed by police, but we will bring you more throughout
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Speaker 3: the evening.
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