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A Hunger for Knowledge | Angel Elo Enneagram Type 5 · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Hi friends, welcome back to the Simply Wholehearted podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: It means so much to have you choose to take this conversation along with you today.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Amy Wix, your host, and here at Simply Wholehearted, we provide perspective, purpose, and plans to help you love God, love others, and live your best life.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, we are traveling through our summer in the Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're stopping to visit to learn a little bit more about the type five and why they aren't as textbook as you might think.
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SPEAKER_01: By now you know that.
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SPEAKER_01: I really buy the inside of the Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_01: And I believe this is a resource which will guide you to create your best plan for a heart five.
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SPEAKER_01: But this can't happen until you understand the message your heart wants to hear.
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SPEAKER_01: Especially for those who are still trying to determine which type you leave with, you'll want to download each episode to see what you might resonate with the most.
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SPEAKER_01: And for those confident of the type that you live with, you'll want to tune into each episode because we have something for everyone each week.
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SPEAKER_01: And not to mention, it may help you better understand the other types in your life.
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SPEAKER_01: Before we dive into this conversation with my good friend and content creator, Angel Elo, here's some details and telltale signs about the Anneagram Type 5.
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SPEAKER_01: They are perceptive, wise, and are often the most objective of all the types.
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SPEAKER_01: They are motivated by their need to know and understand everything.
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SPEAKER_01: They are trustworthy, straightforward, and when they're healthy, they're extremely generous.
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SPEAKER_01: The type 5s are the first in our series of summer that we've covered, which are in the head triad.
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SPEAKER_01: But they are like the four in that they are in the withdrawing stance.
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SPEAKER_01: And they also tend to be more reflective and password.
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SPEAKER_01: Here are some great tips to help you get along with the type five.
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SPEAKER_01: Please speak in a brief and distinct manner.
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SPEAKER_01: Respect their need, return a learning to recharge and process.
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SPEAKER_01: Understand when they are a little distant or come across as arrogant, it just might mean that they're feeling uncomfortable.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: And independence is important to them.
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SPEAKER_01: I think I smiled the whole time as I re-listened edited this podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: It was so good.
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SPEAKER_01: And I love how succinctly, let's see what I did there, Angel shares about life from her perspective.
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SPEAKER_01: And her is typing journey.
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SPEAKER_01: Most of those who beat us a type 5 are naturally drawn to the number of time, which largely comes through in Angel's content and photography style.
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SPEAKER_01: She shares the best ways to achieve a little bit more white space in her home and life for every single time.
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SPEAKER_01: Also, you might be able to tell the stuff is a little different in this conversation, as we had to try to find a quiet room during way at churches BBS.
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SPEAKER_01: But these in-person conversations always turn out to be my favorite.
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SPEAKER_01: And by the way, I want to thank Groupman B for their kind reviews they left on iTunes on the Simply Whole Hearted Podcast page.
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SPEAKER_01: Amy Wicks is full of insight and wisdom, and I'm so thankful for this podcast and those she brings on.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: Wow, thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: It really does mean so much to me to have listeners like you who take time to share your appreciation.
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SPEAKER_01: So Angel, we're hiding in the school building.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, our kids are singing loudly and running around.
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SPEAKER_01: They are and having so much fun.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're wearing our matching red t-shirts.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: We are.
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SPEAKER_01: Glow camp.
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SPEAKER_01: Do we know if these actually glow?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think they do.
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SPEAKER_00: They didn't have the money for that.
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SPEAKER_01: They are free t-shirts.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like the first year that was what Izeo was super excited about is that they glowed.
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SPEAKER_01: They glowed.
3:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
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SPEAKER_00: It was supposed to, if it glowed, she said it would have been blue.
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SPEAKER_00: We didn't have the money for that.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, for okay.
3:45
SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
3:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Well, and if you get in the right light, the white part will glow.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: Like no matter what.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
3:50
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's cool.
3:52
SPEAKER_01: It's cool.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: I was so excited because, well, let's see.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to remember when we first started talking.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: I I saw you all the time because I always work back in the kids, either holding the crying babies or checking them into class.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
4:09
SPEAKER_01: So for sure then, but I can't honestly remember our first conversation or what like finally was like, hey, we should talk more.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, you came into the nursing mom's room and I was nursing Malachi, and you asked me how I was doing.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think I just exploded on like, oh, this is how motherhood is.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's what I remember.
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SPEAKER_01: I am praying for you.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's so true.
4:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, how many conversations have we had?
4:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:41
SPEAKER_01: And I have mentioned this a few times on my podcast.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: You're one who is sitting in my living room on a regular basis with the mamas of our church.
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SPEAKER_01: And not every single mom.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: We just have, you know, kind of a larger group.
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SPEAKER_01: And we've talked about all sorts of things.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we've covered, you know, breastfeeding, sex, afterbirth.
5:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, what else could we throw out there?
5:05
SPEAKER_01: Just all the marriage.
5:08
SPEAKER_01: Motherlessness.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: Like that's been a big topic of conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: And my favorite.
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SPEAKER_01: The 80 agrees.
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SPEAKER_00: My absolute favorite topic.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
5:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it wasn't that long ago.
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SPEAKER_01: You and your husband sat at our dinner table and we were talking about it, and you were saying you were a seven.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
5:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so tell me, uh just a little, you know, if you give us some insight of your journey of figuring out, oh, I'm not a seven.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I am a five.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: I took the test online.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: Uh, my brother-in-law got us into the Enneagram, and I was like, okay, well, I want to find out about more about this and find out more about personalities.
5:51
SPEAKER_00: And I've never taken the Myers Brig or I know there's a couple other ones, but I've never taken any of those.
5:57
SPEAKER_00: But I was just very interested in like, what is my personality type?
6:02
SPEAKER_00: I think.
6:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, like who am I?
6:04
SPEAKER_00: And I think just that first year of motherhood, you're always trying to figure out like, who am I in this season?
6:08
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm very wrapped up in breastfeeding and diaper changes and all of that that comes with motherhood.
6:14
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: So I was still in that first year of motherhood trying to figure out like who am I now that I have a kid.
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SPEAKER_00: So I took the test online and it told me that my highest I took it three times, I believe.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's ready.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: And it told me that I was a seven.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, okay, well then I'm a seven.
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SPEAKER_00: Cool.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, and just walked with that number.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and there were things that uh I related to, yeah, but it just if I like dug deep enough, it wasn't all of those things didn't relate to me.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there were some things you're like, yeah, I I can raise my hand to that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even just the lack of commitment or different things.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay, I'm probably a seven then.
6:51
SPEAKER_00: But I took the I started reading the book.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: What is that book called?
6:58
SPEAKER_00: The Road Back to You.
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SPEAKER_00: The Road Back to You.
7:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I'm not a seven.
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SPEAKER_00: Just the more I would talk about it and the more I would read The Seven's fears and why the Seven Um does the things they do, I was like, I'm not a seven.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, that's not why, that's not my main motivation behind.
7:11
SPEAKER_00: You might look like a seven, right, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But it's not why you do what you do.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: So then I remember I was having a conversation with you actually, and you read The Fears of a Five in one of our mom's groups in I believe it was Dory's living room at that point.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh man, that five.
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SPEAKER_00: That five is fear of scarcity.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's me, that's why I do the things that I do.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's how we're related.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I started reading more about the five, and I was like, man, I'm a five.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I crave that alone time.
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SPEAKER_00: I need that alone time for my husband, for my child, from everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: I love hanging out with people, but I also need that time to be like go away and refresh and just be alone.
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SPEAKER_00: Recharge.
7:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
7:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:54
SPEAKER_01: So what about that idea of your needs are not a problem?
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SPEAKER_01: How how did that like all of a sudden maybe turn some things around for you?
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SPEAKER_01: To to know that that to be able to have verbiage for that ache and go, oh, I'm not the only one in the world who feels that way.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I think for me, it started to give voice to the fact that like my needs aren't a problem, so I can vocalize them more for me, at least for especially in my marriage at first.
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SPEAKER_00: When I realized I was a five, I was like, I'm able to say, here's my need, my need to be alone.
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SPEAKER_00: Because my first need, I feel like, uh that wasn't met even in marriage the first year after we had kids was I can't be alone.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm I need to always be with my husband, I need to always be with my kid.
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SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't that that was the pressure my husband put on me.
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SPEAKER_00: It was just the you're newly married, you're with each other, you love each other, you want to be with each other.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: And then you're always with your child because you're a child.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's your motherhood.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think being able to vocalize, okay, once a week, I at least need to go away for you know three hours at night.
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SPEAKER_00: I need to be able to um have someone else put them to bed, whether that's my husband or a babysitter, but vocalize that and be like, it's not a problem, and I'm not hurting my child, I'm not hurting my husband to take that time away and have that me time.
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SPEAKER_00: Whether it's just sitting in a coffee shop or perusing Target or uh working on my business or whatever I do, it's my time.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm just it sounds very mean, but I'm not a wife or a mother at that moment.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: I just get to be me.
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SPEAKER_00: I just have to be an angel.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's good.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: And I think it would be really hard as a five to have such a large like reservoir of need to be alone because our society one doesn't like encourage that and you know definitely um we're not talking isolation, right?
9:42
SPEAKER_01: But we're talking about being able to recharge healthfully and and properly in a way that's life-giving, but you really need it in order to be your best self and to stay on that path of growth.
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
9:53
SPEAKER_01: Which I think it's really interesting that the mist type was seven when seven and eight are the lines of growth and stress for a five.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: What of those do you relate to?
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SPEAKER_00: I relate more to the seven.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't also looked so much into the eight, so I don't know so much, but I think I relate a lot to that seven, which is why I was like, I don't really like seven.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, totally.
10:14
SPEAKER_01: I got this.
10:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm and you that and that's the thing too I'd like to say about the fives, is I I think people have a real um like clear-cut, distinct picture of what a five is.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: And I would say you're probably wrong.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:27
SPEAKER_01: I have a family member or two family members who are fives.
10:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And one of them is your classic textbook, probably no wings type five.
10:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: Just what you expect.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: When you read that, you're like, oh yeah, check, chuck, check.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: And then another family member who's a five, who looks very different.
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SPEAKER_01: They have some core things, but again, that's the that's the wonder of the Enneagram.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: You have, you know, all these people lined up, yeah, the varying shades of what those yeah, of what they're gonna look like.
10:57
SPEAKER_01: Because again, it's the inner motivation, right, not the outward expression.
11:00
SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Because you and I might do the same sort of things, yeah, but we have a very different underlying motivation behind it.
11:08
SPEAKER_01: Which is yeah, and even how we approach the online space.
11:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
11:12
SPEAKER_01: And again, we probably have to do some of the same things, but how we go about it and why we like it or don't like it or struggle with it looks really, really different.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:21
SPEAKER_01: I think it's uh it's just so fascinating.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: That's why I love the any green.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:27
SPEAKER_01: I know I started wondering if you all if you girls, and I say girls, we're all moms, we're all, you know, like uh in 20s, 30s, you know, we got 40 thing going on.
11:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, but we're all girls.
11:39
SPEAKER_01: So I just figured sooner or later you get sick of it.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: But we so we talked about it every week in one form or fashion.
11:44
SPEAKER_01: Was there anything in particular that you felt found that was the most life-giving about what you know so far of any grim?
11:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's just being able to just call out those things, why you have those fears, and then take those to the Lord.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: That was actually my biggest thing um for even learning my husband's number, for learning my number, even my friends, like the closest uh girls around me that were in the mom's group of learning and being able to see, okay, this is why we do the things we do.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: These are the fears that we have underlying.
12:15
SPEAKER_00: And also, even I think what was really life-giving is it doesn't the Enneagram doesn't box you into um like the Myers Briggs or different ones that I know of.
12:24
SPEAKER_00: I don't know all the names of all of them.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: Just the ones that I know of.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: It's just here here's what you are, that's it.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: And then it just kind of labels you.
12:32
SPEAKER_00: And I think for me, I was just like, I don't just want to be just that.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: Like I want to be able to expand and grow and change.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what I love about the Enneagram is I'm able to, like you said, I'm it's not we can look very different.
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SPEAKER_00: Like the expression of it can look different because there's wings and there's subtypes and there's just the different things that can go into your life experience, where you grew up, how you grew up, um, your parenting, um, that you had.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's what's most light-giving to me is that it can look so different.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: So it's not boxing you into this one thing, like here's what you are, and that's all you can ever be, but you can grow and you can change.
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SPEAKER_00: There's growth and there's stress, and you know, okay, I'm going to this because I'm stressed, or I'm going to this because I'm growing.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: So Right, right.
13:17
SPEAKER_01: And so how can I um self-correct or just be aware and do what I need to do to get me back on exactly the path to growth?
13:24
SPEAKER_01: For you, is there something in particular that you've learned through this that you go, oh, besides the permission maybe even to pull away that you go, oh, this I'm I'm being triggered right now.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: What can I do to get myself on the high side?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:39
SPEAKER_00: I think for me, uh, it's specifically with like in our marriage with finances is I mean, that's just something that's vulnerable to be like there's fear of scarcity there.
13:49
SPEAKER_00: And so I will pull all of my resources and almost be selfish in a way, to be like, okay, well, I can't tithe as much, or I can't give as much, or I can't donate as much to whatever, whether it's the church or an organization or whatever, because there's fear of scarcity there.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: There's fear of um there's fear of me lacking some good thing, and just being able to be like, actually, there's freedom in like I'm holding on too much because I'm afraid that we're not gonna have enough, and being able to tithe more and being able to donate more, and being able to um give it away freely without the pressure of like, okay, there's that fear.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: And even being able to talk to my husband about that and be like, okay, the fear is there, and I'm holding on to our resources, so I need to let go.
14:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, help me.
14:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even a little bit more because there's that fear there, and just having that freedom and the Holy Spirit being like, Okay, you're triggered right now.
14:39
SPEAKER_00: Let's let's let go, let's release, let's tithe, let's donate.
14:42
SPEAKER_00: And so that's been wow really, really nice that's amazing this last year, anyway.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: To be like, okay, I'm gonna let go of um the money and the resources that we have to you know just to combat that fear, to be like, I'm not going to let that fear run my life.
14:56
SPEAKER_01: Which the the counter to that of the fear is to trust.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: So what is it I'm gonna do to build trust in my heart, which is faith.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so that step of faith, and then the faith step is met with uh sovereignty and provision, yeah, and reminding you over and over again, oh yeah, no, you can trust me.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm a provider.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: I've got this.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's amazing.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: That's really beautiful.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so fun.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm so celebrating this conversation.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay, kind of going back to the different shades of a five, a lot of um and I you know, every type has this where there's subtypes.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: And so for those who aren't familiar with the subtypes, there's three, which then means there's actually 27 technical anneagram types.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: Because and and this is for those, and we're gonna go there just for a couple minutes.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: If you are new to the anneagram, maybe you just kind of tune this little part out because it could feel really overwhelming.
15:52
SPEAKER_01: But for those who are getting well versed and who want to know more and want to know even why they might identify as a dominant type, but they don't resonate with a lot of things in that.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, and that would be to look at the subtypes and go, okay, which one as I dial into those is am I gonna be closest to?
16:11
SPEAKER_01: So what do you remember off the top of your head about the three subtypes?
16:14
SPEAKER_01: Not necessarily for the five, but for in general.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: Just in general.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm quizzing you.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's the self-preservationist.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: Right.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: And then there's the social.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
16:25
SPEAKER_01: And then there's the one-on-one.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: Now, some term the one-on-one is sexual.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh you say that word, it kind of like weird people out.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, so you're a sexual free, huh?
16:38
unknown: Awkward.
16:40
SPEAKER_01: I'd rather not have that label.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, no, thank you.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: That's not funny.
16:43
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
16:44
SPEAKER_01: Which I'm not, by the way.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: Um I think I fall under the self-prez uh, you know, thing.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: So we were and and so when we were kind of we were we I pulled kind of our leadership team of our mom's group and you all just stayed a little bit extra one one day.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: And so we went into each of your types because some of you were still going back and forth and um and it's so fun to see where ah those people landed.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yes, yes, I love this.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: Um so we dialed into onto those.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: And so for you, the self-preservation is five.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: You were we were pretty much like, no.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: Those who loved you and you know knew you pretty well.
17:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: Um I we were just sort of like we read that and we're like, uh, that's not really the really you.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: But the social and the one-on-one felt a little bit more maybe like more of me.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: As you as you read those and you're diving deeper into that, how for you, how was that a life-giving process?
17:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: I think just being able to see the that there are different types.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: I think I said earlier just that it doesn't box you in, and that it was there's different types that can go into just one number.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: So it's not just this one thing, here you are, okay, you're done.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Like you're five, you like being alone.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: Just wrap you up in a p in a box.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, but there are subtypes, and I do I think I lean more towards that one-on-one more with people, just because that's when I most come alive, that's when I most get to know people, that's when I'm most comfortable.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, and just being able to get to know like my friends on a deeper level, even the moms and the moms group of big groups are very overwhelming to me.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: But being able to like just one-on-one and sit down and hone in with just that one person and talk to them, I'm like, okay, this is this is good.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, you love you love the one-on-one time.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: You're really good about seeking me out and asking, hey, when are we gonna get together?
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when are we gonna do this?
18:36
SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: And I'll be, you know, um, I probably fall more under again the self-preservationist where um that is actually each type has a counter type.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: That one's a counter to it.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, but then the other piece, too, I would say, is that it's really easy, like we've talked about the stances a lot to help people figure out maybe what their dominant type is.
18:59
SPEAKER_01: And one of those is inward, and the four, five, and nine is inward.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: But inward does not mean introvert.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: You can be an extrovert and be a five.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's really important because I think again, the classic case study, right?
19:13
SPEAKER_01: We think introvert.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: All fives are introverts.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like totally reserved, not very sociable, but that is not the case for you at all.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: No.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh you and you would you would say absolutely recharging alone is important, but you're also you're very sociable.
19:29
SPEAKER_01: And I would say you're an extrovert.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, I kind of like am I thinking I believe in ambiverts, and I I raised my hand to that.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: Because just like you, you do great.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: Even though a crowd of people is not your jam, yeah, you still can bring it and you still enjoy hanging out with people and you don't want to hide away in a hut for hours on end.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Usually.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: The first group we had.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: I was in your bathroom for five minutes being like, okay, I can do this.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: I can do this.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: That was a large group.
19:57
SPEAKER_01: I was thinking, I'm not sure what to do this every week.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: We need another building, right?
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Another space, another babies, all those kids.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: It was a little chaotic.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: We're definitely need to come up with a plan for the fall.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is so good.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so all right, now that we've sort of talked about the Anneagram, we've covered that.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: I want to talk a little bit and just hint on this is that you're an Instagram influencer.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Can you give a definition?
20:25
SPEAKER_01: This is kind of a new thing.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: So some people are gonna hear Instagram influencer or social media influencer and be like, what?
20:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they think we can and then just upload it.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: Yes, it would seem that flawless and easy, but it does not.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: But I am a mom influencer, so I there are a lot of people that call this influencers, content creators.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: I kind of lean more towards content creator only because I do more than Instagram.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: I also do YouTube and I have a blog and I vlog.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: You're all the things, Angel, let's just say, with baby number two on the way.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: Baby girl, let's just say.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: Baby girl, that's right.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: So I work with brands, they contact me or I contact them, depends.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and they say, here is a product that we have, here is a promotion that we want to push.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: Please take a picture, please do a video, please create content of any sort, and we will pay you a certain amount to do it.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: So I put it up on YouTube or Instagram or my website, depending on where they want it, and I just promote it.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: So and you can't just do that, you can't just open an Instagram account and snap some pictures and do it.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: So um it it takes way more work than you think.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: But so maybe a little background of some of that growth for you because you have significant following.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it didn't happen overnight.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of hustle involved.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: There still is.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: So get you know, yeah, pull back the curtain a little bit.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think for me, I started it when my youngest or well, my first was born.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: I wanted to stay home, but I wanted to be creative, and I think for me.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: I just kept seeing that push to have a creative outlet to fuel the just that creative passion and need to want to bring it for you.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: And I would even say that actually comes back to the Enneagram because it was fear of scarcity, but I also loved helping my family provide.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Like I didn't want my husband to be the only person to bring in finances.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: Not because he doesn't do a great job.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: Just because I was like, there's a pride and a just a yeah, just satisfaction that comes out of it.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: I absolutely just bringing in finances.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: So I think for me, just an average day is, you know, taking care of my child, but then we also have to create content that day.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: So that can be going out to a local store and taking pictures in store.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: We've done that in Target.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: Those are always fun.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: Those are always fun.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, and Malika is awfully cute.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: So I mean, he's photogenic, so it makes it easy.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
22:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, and sometimes that's just taking photos in home and just setting up a picture.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Or, but I mean it's a lot of work that goes into a photo and a vlog and different things like that.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: Like one photo can take like two hours.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: Just from the photo to editing to approving it by the brand to emailing back and forth and negotiating of how it looks or how it's edited, and then finally getting it up on the blog and then even writing the blog post about it.
23:15
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, let's talk about the copy.
23:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: The copy piece That alone it is, it is.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: And you may not be, I am not a great photographer.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: I so wish I was.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I could go to school, but that that's not gonna happen.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: But some people just have a natural gift, an eye.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: And so that might work great, but then to combine that with a copy of the code.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: With a copy, you have to be able to do both.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: And you have to be able, or at least learn both.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: I would say for me, I learned copy because I knew photography.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: So it's just like if I'm gonna be wanting to do this, I have to be willing to to do both sides.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: And so writing a blog post takes, oh my goodness.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: My son naps for two hours, so that's when I'm like, Yeah, I just have to write ferociously really fast.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: And to be, yeah, to know the writing process.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, one is not for everyone, but also if you have to do it, you can learn it.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: It takes time.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: And I'm one of those for sure.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: Anyone who has followed me and gotten some of my first emails, I yes, I've written for years, but for this type of thing, yeah, it's totally different.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: And I'm not the best editor, right?
24:14
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm a three, not a one.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, so there's that, but I've learned over time the tools and resources and cut more comfortable with my voice.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because that's a thing too.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even with Instagram, I think for as a content creator or an influencer, whatever you call it, you have to figure out like what's my voice, because I think a lot of people start, and even I would say I did of you use someone else's voice.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: You saw someone else do it, and you're like, Okay, well, this person has you know 80k followers, and so I'm going to sound like them, I'm gonna take pictures like them, and you copy them in a sense.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: You're a copycat, and that's okay for a season.
24:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I think you have to grow and be like, this is my voice, this is how I sound, this is this is my content and the way I edit it, the way I bring it.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: And so just learning my voice on my blog and my Instagram, I would say grew when I was able to be like, This is who I am, this is me.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm a little sarcastic, I'm a little snarky, this is me.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: Right, but I have a lot of fun when I do this, so yeah, that's good.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: No, I think that's really important, and it's true for everyone.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: I don't know anyone who just stepped onto that, started building a black platform, and knew exactly what direction they were gonna go, how it was gonna look, and and had all the pieces figured out.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: And as a five, that's gotta be hard.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because there's a lot of things that a five won't do until they have all the information.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: And for some fives, it'll never be enough information.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: So, how how did you get past that hurdle?
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Because I think that's pretty amazing.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I wanted to start a blog back in college.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: So for me, I started kind of like those WordPress-free blogs, but back when blogging was more journaling.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: It was just like, here's my life and my heart.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: I think I had one 2008.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and yeah, just about what I was doing with the girls or movies.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't really like, you know, here's promotional stuff, but here's also my heart.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: And so I've started some of those, and I don't even remember the domain names anymore.
26:05
SPEAKER_00: I probably could sign on and find them.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Right, right, yeah.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: But who wants to go through all that work?
26:09
SPEAKER_00: Who wants to do that?
26:10
SPEAKER_00: So I had a few of those, but I knew I always wanted to write, and I knew I wanted to in some form or fashion be creative from home, especially with my kiddos.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so for me, I s waited a very long time to start my blog.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: I think when I got pregnant, I was like, oh, I'm gonna start my blog.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't until he was born.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: I after he was born, actually.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: I waited until like almost a full year, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna just do it.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: Because I did so much research, and it took me so long to just make that plunge.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Even the day that I bought my domain name, I was like talking to my husband, I was like, babe, I don't know if I can do this.
26:45
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, You have enough tools under your belt and enough resources to be able to do it.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: And just even learning, pulling your resources, like asking people that know more than you do, and being okay and being humble enough to be like, I don't know what I'm doing.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and making mistakes.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: I think that's the biggest thing for my husband.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't like making mistakes, but he encourages me to make mistakes.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: Right, just it likes it.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: You have to learn, like you have to make the mistakes to uh to survive not survive, but to thrive.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: Actually, with like my blog to be able to thrive, I've had to make mistakes and I've had to be like, okay, that wasn't my best blog post.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: But your first anything is not your best.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: I've learned your first vlog is not your best, your first blog or photo, yeah, or that season isn't like you're never gonna go back and go, oh wow, that was the best work I did.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna go back and go, oh yeah, I was learning.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: Right, and I started somewhere.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the whole point is starting.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: And I know that there's you know, I'm sure that person or a lot of people who are listening who have a dream in their heart, and and maybe you are a type five and or you're married to a type five, or you have a child who's a type five, and they're gonna need that encouragement and that tenderness of uh and permission to fail and to just know that it's just taking a step forward.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: And you're not like committing, you know, to a long term or long lifelong idea by stepping out in faith and and trying something new and different, even without all the information.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: Because it really isn't that you could never gather enough information, especially in the social media world because it's changing all the time.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, we won't even go there.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh I love this.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so minimalism.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:26
SPEAKER_01: That's something you speak to.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of who you are.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it comes through on your feed.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: And the simplicity, the beauty, the lightness.
28:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm drawn to it and attracted to it.
28:39
SPEAKER_01: I I don't know that it's really fitting to my type, but I think there's something to the five that lends itself well to minimalism.
28:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: So tell me about that.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: I think fear that it goes back to that fear of scarcity, I believe, but it's also in some areas I'm not afraid to have scarcity.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: Like my house.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: If you were to look at my decor, it's not a picture in every corner or a piece of furniture in every area where I very much love my counters to be nearly bare.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: My husband hates that I won't leave our toaster on the counter.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: He's like, I just want the toaster out for my breath.
29:14
SPEAKER_00: Like, now we can go back in the cupboard.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm with you.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm with you.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: Like it doesn't need to stay out.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: So I very much just love that open space and freeness to just not have clutter.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: I think for me, clutter affects my mood, it affects my outlook on how I do my day, my desk.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: I try to keep very clutter-free.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: And obviously, as soon as I had a child, I was like, minimalism is not working.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: But we found a balance.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: It's just his room is also very minimalistic.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: It's like, here's your bed, here's your dresser, here's your carpet, and here's your little PlayStation.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: And so every day I try to pick up just his stuff because I believe for me, my outlook on how our day goes is better when it's it's less.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: There's less is more for me in my house and just that minimalism.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: Even with my clothing.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Like I approach my clothing very like I like basic colors and basic things.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: Like even this red shirt.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: And then we got this red shirt.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: Well difficult.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, red spawn.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: Goes with black pants.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's fine.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: I can do my basic white shoes and my black pants.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so minimalism and motherhood.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: That that feels a little bit tricky sometimes.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: But again, this is where I think the Anneagram and motherhood is super powerful.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: So we can understand our triggers, why we do what we do, what brings us life to our soul so that we can be the best moms that we can be.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: You you kind of touched on something there.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: Talk a little bit more how you navigate your desire for fresh open spaces and a toddler and another one on the way.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: When it sometimes I think for some of us can raise our hands to, oh, in that season, it felt like there was a baby thing in every corner.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: Every area, yeah.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: But I think you have a different philosophy.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think for me, I've just I've adapted the fact that this that kids will be kids.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: I think that's something that I did get from my mother that is very much something I've adopted and I've loved of just my child to thrive is gonna have toys.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: My child to thrive is going to have a rocker somewhere, or he's gonna have his train tracks out.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: And I think just knowing that at the end of the day when he goes to bed, I'm able to pick up.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I do require now that he picks up.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: Yes, he is able to get away.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: He's old enough.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: Yes, he is very able, enabling his independence, but just being able to be like, okay, we're gonna pick up at the end of the day, but during the day, not really stressing that it's everywhere, and that did take solid two years, like him baby to now, of just now being able to be like, Okay, your stuff is gonna be here because you live here, and knowing that my stuff is in that house because I live there, and my husband's stuff is there because he lives here, and I probably aggravate my husband when I'm like, pick up your clothes because they don't need to live on the floor.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: But knowing that my child is a part of our family and just adopting, he's a child, his stuff will be in the corner, it will his toys somehow end up under my dishwasher and in my bathroom floor, and his duck rubber duckies are in my tub, just all over the place.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: And just knowing that at the end of the day, I can pick up and I can I can bring my space.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: We do have a rule that mama's room and her office are my space.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's good.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: So he's allowed to draw on her bed.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: He's allowed to draw on her bed, yeah.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: But my office is completely off limits.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: It's not to be played in, it's not to be that's my little sanctuary.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: Your boundary.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: And it's creating boundaries for me because it's like that not having a fear to say, okay, this is my space.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: Like this is where I go to when I just need to work and I just want to be alone.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: That's mama's office.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: But everything else in our house is just yeah, you know, kid friendly.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you and it's knowing perspective-wise, it won't always be this way.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, someday you'll have all of that again.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: So I'm I we didn't really talk about this ahead of time, but I'm kind of just thinking for those who are drawn to minimalism, uh, you know, what does that really look like?
32:57
SPEAKER_01: They like the idea of it, but they feel like their opposite reflects something so different.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: What what would maybe be like the first three steps that they take in the right direction that would feel that they could thrive in their environment instead of feeling so overwhelmed?
33:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's just picking a room and starting with that space.
33:17
SPEAKER_00: So for me, it was our bedroom.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: Um before we moved, I just was like, okay, what do we not use?
33:23
SPEAKER_00: Like what have we not used in the last year?
33:25
SPEAKER_00: And I donated those things.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: And then it was what have we not used in the last six months?
33:28
SPEAKER_00: And do we are we gonna use it seasonally, like our Christmas stuff or um and not throwing that away, obviously.
33:34
SPEAKER_00: You need your Christmas tree.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you haven't used it in six months.
33:39
SPEAKER_00: But what have we not used in the last six months that's not we're not loving or we're not using or we're not wanting, or you just go through the steps of why are why aren't we using it?
33:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what you asked.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: And we might have for a season, but she hasn't changed.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: She hasn't changed.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: We had a child and we might not be using this anymore, and so we get rid of that.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: And then it's what have we not yet used in the last three months because you're usually still in the same season, usually in the last three months.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: And that's what what have we not used and why?
34:06
SPEAKER_00: Did we just buy this off of impulse because we walked through target and we saw it?
34:09
SPEAKER_01: Or because every kid's supposed to have one and then we realize uh not our kid.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: Or our child's not even using it.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Or and I've done that with my children's choice.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's like, okay, is Malachi even using this?
34:19
SPEAKER_00: He's not using it, we're gonna give it back or give it away or donate it.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: He had an easel two weeks ago that his grandma gave him.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: It was Jared's old easel.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: But he wasn't using it.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: And I was just sitting in his room.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this is unnecessary to just sit here.
34:32
SPEAKER_01: So we gave it back to grandma and grandpa.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: Collecting dust until either a baby girl has an interest or he grows up and those unnecessary things that are just kind of sitting there.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: I've noticed that if you just start picking up those, you feel like, oh my goodness, okay, our toaster doesn't need to always be on the counter because we don't make toast every day.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: So it can be away.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: Our smoothier blender is gonna sell on the counter because we make a smoothie every morning.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: So it's just that's awesome.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: What are we using all the time and what are we not, and where can it go when we're not using it?
35:02
SPEAKER_01: So it's really not an uh home decor overhaul.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: It's really just eliminating, yeah.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, I mean, our husbands are gonna be happy about that because we're not spending more money.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: They're like less stuff.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: And if you want to go through the hassle, you sell it on Craigslist or at a garage sale.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: Which though I I read something really interesting.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I know.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: It was um John A.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: Cuff finish and he was joking about or kind of using the scenario of the the husband who needs to clean out the garage and procrastinates by saying, Well, I'm gonna have a garage sale, right?
35:34
SPEAKER_01: Which delays the getting rid of stuff because it's such a headache.
35:36
SPEAKER_01: What and I love that's what you said is donate it, give it away.
35:40
SPEAKER_01: You're probably gonna achieve faster results by just going, okay, we're done.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: Just cut it.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: Let's bless someone.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: And that speaks to the whole scarcity thing, right?
35:49
SPEAKER_01: Like you're you're totally like you're just flying in the face of that lie and going, I'm trusting that in my generosity of just letting it go, blessing someone else with it, someone else is gonna have a great use.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for this.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna be okay if I suddenly need it again.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: If I suddenly need it, that's okay.
36:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it'll be there somewhere on Craigslist.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
36:11
SPEAKER_01: And I can probably get it for less.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: Really, really fun.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so tell us some of your plans and your topics for the vlog, for YouTube, Instagram, because you know, little baby girls coming soon.
36:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, and but you're not gonna like all of a sudden go quiet.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: There might you're gonna you're gonna pause, but you've got some plans and stuff happening.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm excited.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: I am working a lot right now because we have about two months until she gets here, about eight weeks.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: So right now I'm working really hard every nap time, every day, really hard.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: So that I have blog posts scheduled, I have vlogs going out, and so every day kind of comes with okay, what's supposed to go on the blog, what's supposed to go on the vlog, what's going up on Instagram, and taking a lot of content.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: And obviously, it'll be easy to make content of her because when you're a newborn, yeah.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: It'll be easy, she just lays there, unlike my toddler who runs off.
37:04
SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, cheese, bye.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep, totally.
37:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I know, I can't wait.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's gonna be filled.
37:10
SPEAKER_00: So it's just kind of pre-prepping content to go out with whoever I'm working for um at the moment.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: So that's awesome.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, I definitely know that people will want to follow you on Instagram and the vlogging and all of that sort of stuff, which you've you asked me, you're like, Are you doing video?
37:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, yeah, I just not my favorite thing.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: I know, it's not fun.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: And I started mine so recently, though, so it's so fresh.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: But doing video, I think I've just read research that that's the new movement that everyone's going for.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: So there's like I do.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: I trust your research.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: I go to my fives.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: I am not even kidding.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: Those with the four with five wings or my fives.
37:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if I want to know about something, I'm like, all right, tell me a little bit more about research.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, will you tell me?
37:55
SPEAKER_00: Do you want to research this?
37:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: We love that research.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: We love having the knowledge to know, okay, here's what's coming, here's what's next.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's good.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: No, I love it.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: I love the fives of my life.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: I've loved this.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: I think this is so great.
38:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm excited for others to like share my friends' friends.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: It's the best.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: I love my job.
38:14
SPEAKER_01: It's good.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Do you have a little better understanding of Enneagram 5?
38:21
SPEAKER_01: I certainly hope you learned more in our conversation today.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: Now you've taken the first step in the Enneagram journey and tuned in to hear perspective.
38:30
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38:34
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38:46
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38:53
SPEAKER_01: It's super helpful as you talk to others about this awesome resource.
38:58
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39:02
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39:06
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39:10
SPEAKER_01: Remember, we want you to invite others to join us as we continue our Summer the Enneagram.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: Next week, we'll be talking about the Enneagram sixes with Anne Watson.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: She leads with a type six, though you may remember last time she was on the podcast, she shared she was a two.
39:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll be chatting all about mistyping and the core fears of each type.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: Let's invite others to join us as we continue to pursue perspective, purpose, and plans for a simply whole part of the body.