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Vibe Sesh #30 | We Are Far Less Alone Than We Feel · Vibe Sesh Podcast

0:10
SPEAKER_00: What's up, brother?
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SPEAKER_00: What's up, brother?
0:12
SPEAKER_00: Brother, amazing, bro.
0:14
SPEAKER_00: You ready for tonight's show, bro?
0:16
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm excited.
0:18
SPEAKER_01: Do you know what tea leaf reading is, bro?
0:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm leaving it purely to Catherine's explanation.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: I could only imagine...
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SPEAKER_00: I can only imagine.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: In moments like that, I don't look up Chat Chippy Tea.
0:32
SPEAKER_00: I didn't look up what is Tea Leaf reading.
0:34
SPEAKER_00: I wanted to be surprised.
0:37
SPEAKER_00: She's fifth generation, guys.
0:39
SPEAKER_00: Fifth generation Tea Leaf reader.
0:41
SPEAKER_00: Guys, Cisco, before we invite Katherine up, bro, I was thinking about it.
0:46
SPEAKER_00: Like 3,000 people show up to our shows now, right?
0:50
SPEAKER_00: How many of them are regulars?
0:53
SPEAKER_00: Mmm.
0:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, 3,000 itself
0:55
SPEAKER_01: is a lot.
0:55
SPEAKER_01: You should tell us in the comments, man.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
0:59
SPEAKER_01: Are you guys a regular?
1:00
SPEAKER_01: Are people watching once a week or are you brand new?
1:04
SPEAKER_01: Is this your first Vibe Sesh right now?
1:07
SPEAKER_00: There we go.
1:08
SPEAKER_00: Great comment.
1:08
SPEAKER_00: Let me invite Katherine up.
1:10
SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
1:15
SPEAKER_00: Hey, do you see a cat?
1:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I see like its ears.
1:20
SPEAKER_02: Hello.
1:21
SPEAKER_02: Hello.
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SPEAKER_00: Hello.
1:23
SPEAKER_02: Hello.
1:24
SPEAKER_02: Hello.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: I love the cat, by the way.
1:29
SPEAKER_00: You can see it?
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SPEAKER_02: Just like these tiny ears.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
1:36
SPEAKER_00: Catherine, tell us about cats because you're like a medium.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to get into all of this stuff,
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SPEAKER_00: but like you're very spiritual and medium and you're so magical and I love the woo
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SPEAKER_00: in you.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: What do you think about cats?
1:51
SPEAKER_00: Tell us something about cats.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh oh!
1:53
SPEAKER_02: Cats are psychic, for sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyone who has had a cat can attest to this,
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SPEAKER_02: but you'll notice they'll like shift their gaze really quickly
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SPEAKER_02: and they'll see stuff.
2:06
SPEAKER_02: But that's just the way that their eyes and their brain works.
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SPEAKER_02: They're just more open to different frequencies of light.
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SPEAKER_02: It is special, but it is also science.
2:18
SPEAKER_00: Damn!
2:19
SPEAKER_00: What about nine lives?
2:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nine lives.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: Do they have nine?
2:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, man, that's such a five-cent
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SPEAKER_02: right question.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel like my cat has nine lives.
2:29
SPEAKER_02: We have a country cat, and I feel like he has a hundred lives.
2:36
SPEAKER_00: All right, Catherine, so are you nervous right now, or are you totally chill?
2:41
SPEAKER_02: No.
2:42
SPEAKER_02: You know what?
2:42
SPEAKER_02: Actually, I do feel a little bit of nervousness, but I'm not sure if that's mine.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Wait a moment.
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SPEAKER_00: That's definitely mine.
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SPEAKER_00: Me and Cisco, we're always nervous.
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SPEAKER_00: We're always nervous.
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SPEAKER_02: I always have to check.
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SPEAKER_02: I can tell both of you are pretty sensitive to energy.
3:02
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes you'll be picking up on someone else's stuff.
3:06
SPEAKER_02: You always got to check.
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SPEAKER_02: Is this mine or is this someone else's?
3:09
SPEAKER_00: You're telling me you're totally calm right now, Catherine?
3:12
SPEAKER_00: You're totally calm?
3:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you said a little bit because where you got like some nervousness.
3:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I had to Google how, like where Instagram live is.
3:22
SPEAKER_02: What is an Instagram live?
3:23
SPEAKER_02: How do I enjoy Instagram live?
3:27
SPEAKER_02: I literally have the Google pulled up on my computer right now.
3:30
SPEAKER_02: Hey, Katherine.
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SPEAKER_02: Such a boomer.
3:34
SPEAKER_00: Katherine, you just hit 100,000 followers, right?
3:39
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
3:39
SPEAKER_00: She doesn't even know what a live is.
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SPEAKER_00: This is your first live.
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SPEAKER_00: Katherine, this is your first live?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I started my Instagram in May, so I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
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SPEAKER_02: I have no idea,
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SPEAKER_02: but I am a little bit autistic, and I'm a bit of a nerd, so I just share cool shit.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what I do.
4:00
SPEAKER_00: She says cool shit, bro.
4:03
SPEAKER_00: Hey, Catherine, I'm in the same kind of situation because I blew up starting from January.
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SPEAKER_02: You're like almost a million now.
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SPEAKER_02: I love your videos.
4:13
SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: You're so inspiring because you just say exactly what's on your mind.
4:18
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not quite there yet.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I still have this like burned at the state fear.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it's a female thing.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it's like this fear of if I really step forward with my voice,
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SPEAKER_02: will I be burned at the stake?
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SPEAKER_02: So you're inspiring me.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you for that.
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SPEAKER_00: Catherine, thank you.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: But Catherine, let's talk about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Because when I was doing the prep for you and just looking through your stuff, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like this burning at the stake.
4:48
SPEAKER_00: Cisco, do you understand what she's talking about?
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SPEAKER_00: So tell us about that because you're a medium and,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, walk us through a little bit of history.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, like in the past, you said mediums were totally cool and amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: And then they got, you know, oppressed and killed and burnt.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And then so now you want there to be a remembrance.
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SPEAKER_00: Just tell us, share that entire thing.
5:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't know if I can share the whole thing because it's thousands of years of history.
5:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: The tiny version is mediums and across cultures,
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SPEAKER_02: across cultures have always been respected and revered and sought as.
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SPEAKER_02: You know,
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SPEAKER_02: we have stories of seers who would breathe in smoke and there wouldn't be
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SPEAKER_02: a king around who wouldn't seek their counsel.
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SPEAKER_02: And then when we had more organized religions, I won't name any in particular, come in.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't.
5:51
SPEAKER_00: What did your accent change, man?
5:55
SPEAKER_02: We call it autism.
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SPEAKER_00: We love it.
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SPEAKER_01: We love it.
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SPEAKER_01: I was a theater kid.
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SPEAKER_00: I went to a really nice high school, but I wanted to be with the theater kids.
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SPEAKER_00: It was so fun, but I was on the swimming team.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't believe you weren't.
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SPEAKER_02: I was on the swim team too.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you were a theater kid for sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like the big events were like during the season.
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SPEAKER_00: So you have to practice.
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SPEAKER_00: They have like big shows.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_00: So it conflicted for me.
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SPEAKER_00: So, but I always wanted to be the theater kid.
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SPEAKER_02: There's still time.
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SPEAKER_00: There's still time.
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SPEAKER_02: There's theaters everywhere.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe I will.
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SPEAKER_00: Katherine, who knows?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, like the possibilities are magical.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe one day, me and you, we're on the theater together.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, like a two-man show.
6:50
SPEAKER_02: Two-man show?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm a little nervous.
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SPEAKER_02: I was hoping there would be a lot of... Just totally improv.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally improv.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: Let's do it just like we're doing now.
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SPEAKER_00: We're totally cool.
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SPEAKER_00: This is fun, all right.
7:06
SPEAKER_00: Cisco, are you okay, Cisco?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm great,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm great.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm just listening, but let's continue the history.
7:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, sorry.
7:15
SPEAKER_01: Okay, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, the history goes all around the world.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, this takes place all through Africa with colonialism.
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SPEAKER_02: It takes place certainly through the UK.
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SPEAKER_02: The whole story of St. Patrick kicking the snakes out, i.e.
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SPEAKER_02: the pagans.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so, and this is primarily women who, um,
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SPEAKER_02: share their gifts of not,
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SPEAKER_02: not only seers and psychics,
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SPEAKER_02: but midwives, healers, you know, folks who were good with herbs.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, demonized, burned.
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SPEAKER_02: So we carry all of that in our, in our memory, certainly in our collective memory.
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SPEAKER_02: And I mean, a lot of us carry that energy and expression.
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SPEAKER_02: So I am second generation American.
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SPEAKER_02: My family all came from Ireland.
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know, we carry trauma within our own genes.
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SPEAKER_02: And my grandma and great grandma, they were all intuitives.
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SPEAKER_02: And they had to hide that for many, many years.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm the first one in my lineage who can speak out loud about this, which is pretty cool.
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SPEAKER_02: It's an honor.
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SPEAKER_02: It's an honor to do it.
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SPEAKER_00: Damn!
8:27
SPEAKER_00: So what?
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, so tell us.
8:29
SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
8:30
SPEAKER_00: Unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_00: But like, so we talk about like intuition and you help people with intuition.
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SPEAKER_00: You have like your, I saw your courses or your sessions where you do, what do you call it?
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SPEAKER_00: Intuitive therapy or something?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I call it spooky therapy.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: But essentially...
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SPEAKER_02: Everyone has a sixth sense.
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SPEAKER_02: It's going to pop up in the weirdest time.
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SPEAKER_02: If anyone has gotten that intuitive,
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SPEAKER_02: like I shouldn't walk into this building or like this feeling of I need
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SPEAKER_02: to turn left, not right.
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SPEAKER_02: Some folks have had even more outrageous signs.
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SPEAKER_02: I almost got in a car accident and I heard so loudly in my ear, stop.
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SPEAKER_02: And it was clear as day.
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SPEAKER_02: There was no one in the car.
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SPEAKER_02: This was long before I started Coming back into my intuitive gifts,
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SPEAKER_02: it was that moment that made me realize like,
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SPEAKER_02: oh shit, there's something else out there.
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SPEAKER_02: And we all have access to this all the time.
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SPEAKER_02: There's no like spirit world out in super space and like a weird ball.
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SPEAKER_02: Like it's here, it's right here.
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SPEAKER_02: It's right in your room.
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SPEAKER_02: There's someone right behind you.
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SPEAKER_02: Like this is, where else would spirit be?
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SPEAKER_02: This is the place to be.
9:40
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's going on.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm getting scared.
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SPEAKER_00: It got spooky all of a sudden.
9:45
SPEAKER_00: Guys, it's October.
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SPEAKER_00: You see what Catherine's doing?
9:48
SPEAKER_00: It's spooky season.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: It's spooky season.
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SPEAKER_00: I was getting a little scared.
9:55
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
9:56
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Susco.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, me?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I guess I wonder the transition then to the tea leaf reading.
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SPEAKER_01: You're saying there's women throughout They had various skill sets and
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SPEAKER_01: then they were, you know, crucified for it and blah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I wonder how your family then landed on, you know, tea leaves.
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SPEAKER_01: Because on your website,
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SPEAKER_01: you were saying your grandmother,
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SPEAKER_01: great-grandmother and great-great-grandmother all reading it.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, who was the first to start?
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SPEAKER_01: Who was?
10:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, we can only assume that when tea was coming in from India,
10:44
SPEAKER_02: that is when tea leaf reading started becoming popular in the UK and Ireland.
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SPEAKER_02: It was done primarily by women in circles.
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SPEAKER_02: And honestly, it was a mix of therapy.
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SPEAKER_02: And what they didn't realize what they were doing was they were accessing another
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SPEAKER_02: part, the creative part of their brain.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's kind of like that inkblots.
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SPEAKER_02: It's actually very, it's like a very great therapeutic process.
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SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, there's a deeper layer of the intuition underneath that.
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SPEAKER_02: So, did someone beyond my great-great-grandmother read leaves?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know how long it goes back.
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SPEAKER_00: I should ask.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and how long has tea been around?
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SPEAKER_00: Because you can only have tea leave reading when tea was around.
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SPEAKER_00: When was tea invented?
11:31
SPEAKER_00: That, you answered that, we got our answer.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: I know.
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SPEAKER_02: People read coffee grounds too, though.
11:37
SPEAKER_00: What the hell?
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, divination in Greece,
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SPEAKER_02: people would read the formations of birds as they flew through the sky.
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SPEAKER_02: There's all sorts of divination out there.
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SPEAKER_02: The patterns of ripples in a pond, tea leaves.
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SPEAKER_02: This is all of this stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: They're just tools.
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SPEAKER_02: It's to get you out of the logic mind and into the creative mind.
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SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like to get you out of that thinking brain.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, so you keep calling it divination.
12:09
SPEAKER_00: It's not like pattern recognition.
12:11
SPEAKER_00: Can you call it pattern recognition?
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like astrology is a form.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't have to believe.
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SPEAKER_00: If you don't want to believe in all the woo-woo stuff,
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SPEAKER_00: for me, it's just pattern recognition, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: 100%.
12:22
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
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SPEAKER_00: Pattern recognition and then
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SPEAKER_02: When you see the pattern, what thought does the pattern bring up?
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SPEAKER_02: So if you see a ribbon and I see a ribbon, there's going to be two different meanings for us.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe think of looking at clouds and it's like, what do you see in the cloud?
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SPEAKER_01: Totally.
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SPEAKER_01: And that opens up the creativity because you're asking, what do you see in the cloud?
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SPEAKER_01: You're projecting your reality by what you say.
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SPEAKER_00: It's so powerful.
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SPEAKER_00: When you're looking at the cloud, you're being creative.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I see this man.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's get more creative.
13:03
SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a man with a pipe.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a man with a this and he has a hat.
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SPEAKER_02: There you go.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: And there has to be a difference with the tea leaves, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Is there just like,
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SPEAKER_01: because I think there was like an intention,
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SPEAKER_01: like love is a particular leaf and so on and so forth.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
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SPEAKER_02: So I, now I do tea leaf reading as ceremony and as energy healing.
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SPEAKER_02: Energy healing is purely intention.
13:33
SPEAKER_02: It's purely intention.
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SPEAKER_02: So all of the accoutrements just add to the ritual and the belief process of it.
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SPEAKER_02: And there is so much,
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SPEAKER_02: so much wisdom in,
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SPEAKER_02: you know, rose connected to beauty and love, chamomile connected to peace.
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SPEAKER_02: And then there's a ton of mythology around it, like pomegranate seeds and And Persephone.
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SPEAKER_02: So using these different sort of herbal tools can just add to the intention,
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SPEAKER_02: adds to the power of it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like a spell, like a real life spell.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: A real life spell.
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SPEAKER_02: I like the way she
14:10
SPEAKER_00: says real life
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SPEAKER_02: spell.
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SPEAKER_02: She's freaking me out, bro.
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SPEAKER_02: She's totally theater girl.
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SPEAKER_02: She's totally theater girl.
14:17
SPEAKER_00: You're so good.
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SPEAKER_00: Unbelievable.
14:23
SPEAKER_00: All right, guys, later we're going to do some tea readings, but I want to take us back first.
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SPEAKER_00: And Catherine, because so five generations of tea leaf readers, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So what was it like to grow up in your family?
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SPEAKER_00: And you even went to medium school with your mother, Cisco.
14:42
SPEAKER_00: There's something called a medium school.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: It's like psychic art.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: No, it was a school for mediums, bro.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: There's an actual school for mediums.
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SPEAKER_00: I saw the real.
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SPEAKER_02: It is insane.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is real life Hogwarts.
14:55
SPEAKER_00: Is it Hogwarts or like the X-Men, you know,
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SPEAKER_02: like... Ooh, okay.
15:02
SPEAKER_02: Like, it's like both.
15:03
SPEAKER_02: It's like both.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it's in like an old...
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SPEAKER_02: Estate.
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SPEAKER_02: So this estate was built in the 1800s.
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SPEAKER_02: Chandeliers and old paintings on the wall.
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SPEAKER_02: None of them talked, though, unfortunately.
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SPEAKER_02: They're just regular paintings.
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SPEAKER_02: And now there's like actual curriculum features.
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SPEAKER_02: It's very serious.
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SPEAKER_02: It's discipline.
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SPEAKER_02: Like you got to show up at 6 a.m. and you are in class all day till 9 p.m.
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SPEAKER_00: They're like working.
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SPEAKER_00: 6 a.m. to 9 p.m.?
15:36
SPEAKER_00: No, come on.
15:37
SPEAKER_00: Working.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: What is that, 15 hours or whatever?
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SPEAKER_02: It's a long day, but they feed you, so it's great.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: So go on with your childhood.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: What was it like?
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SPEAKER_00: Because you were saying you're a fifth generation and you're so happy coming out
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SPEAKER_00: on Instagram now and sharing this and making sure that
15:56
SPEAKER_00: the world remembers all these things, right?
15:59
SPEAKER_00: So what was that childhood like?
16:02
SPEAKER_00: Where did you grow up?
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SPEAKER_00: I think maybe Texas.
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SPEAKER_00: What did the guys in your family think and everyone around you?
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SPEAKER_00: How was it going to school?
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SPEAKER_00: Like the kids call you weird or they called your family weird.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So tell us that story.
16:15
SPEAKER_00: Let's go through your childhood because that to me was like, that's interesting.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: Five generations of medium.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: But go ahead, Catherine.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a sad, dark story, unfortunately.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: So my mom is...
16:31
SPEAKER_02: Very good at tarot.
16:32
SPEAKER_02: She's incredible.
16:33
SPEAKER_02: And she's a psychic artist, which means she can draw other people's past loved ones.
16:38
SPEAKER_02: So she makes a connection and will actually just sketch out their face.
16:41
SPEAKER_02: It's incredible.
16:42
SPEAKER_02: She's very gifted.
16:44
SPEAKER_02: But when we were growing up, we were in a very conservative Christian nationalist.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: My dad is Big Maga.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: He is, yeah, I grew up and like my mom was secret spooky.
17:01
SPEAKER_02: And I would hide the books under my bed and would practice where no one could see.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: And my dad was very militant and very, very Roman Catholic.
17:13
SPEAKER_02: And we would go to church and do the thing.
17:15
SPEAKER_02: And then I would come home and cast a spell.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: So it was this weird thing of keeping half my life hidden from my own dad.
17:26
SPEAKER_02: And...
17:27
SPEAKER_02: That still occurs today is keeping,
17:30
SPEAKER_02: you know,
17:31
SPEAKER_02: all the parts of me away from him because he is,
17:36
SPEAKER_02: you know, he was a cruel man, a cruel man.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: But the one thing that trauma does is it deliciously breaks your brain down
17:45
SPEAKER_02: and makes you really open to everything.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: So I've gotten to the point now where I've kind of accepted that childhood did suck.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: I've touched darkness that most people never will.
17:58
SPEAKER_02: But because I've touched that, I can sit with other people in theirs.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: So I'm quite,
18:03
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say grateful because it feels like kind of yucky to say,
18:06
SPEAKER_02: but I am grateful that I can sit with people and their ugliness.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: And I've done a lot of volunteer work for folks who have survived sexual violence.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: And that will be my path.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm in grad school, particularly to work with folks with trauma.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: And that's how that will evolve in the future.
18:31
SPEAKER_02: We need a time joke right now.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: Lighten it up.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: Your muted vibe.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I'm muted, but I was just, wow.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Damn.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: Hey, but like, so you were learning everything in secret?
18:50
SPEAKER_00: There was no sharing among the five generations of ladies or your mother?
18:55
SPEAKER_00: All in secret.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: Grandma have that too?
18:58
SPEAKER_02: It was all in secret for our entire, entire lineage.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: It was all in secret.
19:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:03
SPEAKER_02: Women, woman to woman to woman.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: Bro, this is a movie.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: Hey, darling, this is a movie, man.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: You have a movie.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Five generations of tea leaves.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: And then all this, dude, this is a movie, literally.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, a story.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
19:22
SPEAKER_00: No?
19:23
SPEAKER_00: You're a theater person.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's... Catherine, so what do you want to do with all this?
19:28
SPEAKER_00: You're very surprised with your whole social media blow up.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I feel like I'm...
19:35
SPEAKER_00: Just compared to three years ago or two years ago,
19:38
SPEAKER_00: I was very close minded about all this stuff,
19:42
SPEAKER_00: you know,
19:43
SPEAKER_00: but like I feel like it's just coming out and there's a growing awareness and
19:47
SPEAKER_00: a growing openness that I feel.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: And it's just because of conversations like this and meeting people and saying,
19:55
SPEAKER_00: oh, this person's cool.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: It's very woo-woo, but he's cool.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: And then you start learning, why are you so woo-woo?
20:00
SPEAKER_00: And then you start learning and then you start accepting and being open to all these.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: It's, you know, anyway.
20:09
SPEAKER_02: So I started as, I've gone through the journey.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: So when I was brought up Roman Catholic,
20:14
SPEAKER_02: then discovered witchcraft when I was like 11, like every other 90s girl.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: Did that in secret work.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: Like my mom helped me out with that.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: Then I went hard atheist.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: So I cut everything off.
20:28
SPEAKER_02: And then there was one question that was posed to me.
20:33
SPEAKER_02: Like no one knows what the fuck's going on.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: So you get to choose 100% of your beliefs.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: There's not a soul out there that can tell you exactly what's going on.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: So choose whatever makes you feel most free and And happy and joyful and makes you
20:48
SPEAKER_02: the most loving person.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: Like we're all winging it.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: We're all winging it the best we can.
20:56
SPEAKER_02: When you go into mediumship or psychic mediumship,
20:59
SPEAKER_02: it is like a disciplined practice of opening your mind as much as humanly possible,
21:04
SPEAKER_02: but it's not concrete.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: Like I can't show you a ghost.
21:09
SPEAKER_02: So we're all just working off our best guess.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: I have a question, like, what time of the day would you guys squeeze this in?
21:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, was this like a daily training?
21:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we want the details.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: You need to write a book.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: We want the details.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: This is what I'm talking about.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: When I was talking about the childhood, I was like, there's so many questions, right?
21:33
SPEAKER_00: Like, you're like,
21:34
SPEAKER_00: if you grew up in this environment and it's secret and all,
21:37
SPEAKER_00: everybody around you is like, you know, trying to persecute you.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: Think about that, man.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: And you like discover the secret arts.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: Very stressful, very stressful.
21:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: So we lived in an area where there were a lot of woods,
21:52
SPEAKER_02: so we would literally go out into the woods like feral ladies,
21:57
SPEAKER_02: just out in the woods and we would practice there.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Closed doors, you know, in secret, in whispers.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: My dad would go on hunting trips and then that's when we would order Chinese food
22:11
SPEAKER_02: and, you know, the whole coven would be there.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Wow!
22:16
SPEAKER_00: This is the story I want.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: So wait a moment.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: You're eating Chinese food and casting spells and putting your cauldron
22:23
SPEAKER_00: and sprinkling goat ears and like pepper and garlic.
22:29
SPEAKER_02: No animals are ever hurt in the making of a spell.
22:33
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: Was there any like...
22:42
SPEAKER_01: Any like aunts and like cousins you like, or was it just like you and your mom?
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: Did anyone find out and be like, hey, hey, look
22:51
SPEAKER_00: what they're doing?
22:52
SPEAKER_00: You know?
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a secret operation.
22:56
SPEAKER_02: No one found out, but then I started becoming more and more loud about it.
23:03
SPEAKER_02: And then it was just like, well, now she's the black sheep of the family.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: But some folks in my family are also practicing.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: In their own ways,
23:11
SPEAKER_02: you know,
23:12
SPEAKER_02: I sort of lean more towards the magic witchcraft mediumship angle because I am,
23:21
SPEAKER_02: I love all the like frilly things that come with it.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: Like I love throwing tea leaves and peppermint sticks and I just love the whole ritual of it.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: It's enjoyable for me.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: Not everyone needs to do that.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: You could literally just say a prayer.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: It's the same thing.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: It's whatever brings that energy of excitement and joy and curiosity.
23:45
SPEAKER_02: And it can be literally anything.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: It could be this.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: What was the switch then for you to be loud and proud about it?
23:55
SPEAKER_01: What finally gave you...
23:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh my God, it literally just happened in May.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: I'm still in it.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you were still in it?
24:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel like I'm still in it.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: My push, too, actually.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm not.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm still in it.
24:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm in Texas, so I just need to be everyone aware.
24:14
SPEAKER_02: I am in East Texas.
24:15
SPEAKER_02: I am in the most red, conservative part of Texas there is.
24:21
SPEAKER_02: So I can't have my neighbors know what's occurring in this house.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: There are a lot of guns here.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: Like there is definitely like fear.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: There is definitely fear of being found out
24:36
SPEAKER_00: in this area.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
24:37
SPEAKER_00: but you're saying maybe you're saying you don't want them finding your Instagram
24:41
SPEAKER_00: account or what?
24:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm not part of the community so much.
24:47
SPEAKER_02: I, you know, I just kind of hope none of my neighbors would find my Instagram and then find me.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: I've never really thought of that, but that probably would happen at some
24:55
SPEAKER_00: point.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: I probably won't come through their feed.
24:58
SPEAKER_02: I probably won't come through their feed.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: no,
25:01
SPEAKER_00: but it will somehow come in somebody's feed because,
25:03
SPEAKER_00: you know, the way the Facebook, it's perfect.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: So if you're like, you know, like, they connect you.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, don't speak it
25:08
SPEAKER_02: into it.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: Don't speak it into reality.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: God.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how this works, man.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: Some of the grocery store is going to like drag me down an aisle.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh, no.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: Go ahead, Cisco.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm just stunned.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: This is so amazing.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: And I guess, too, like the tea leaves.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: So how do you integrate it with the yoga therapy?
25:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's an interesting mix.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: So I...
25:45
SPEAKER_02: I've been a practice yogi for 20 years.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: And really because the meditation,
25:52
SPEAKER_02: if you have experienced any kind of trauma,
25:54
SPEAKER_02: meditation is going to be your gateway to get out of it.
25:58
SPEAKER_02: Because your mind is going to keep saying the things that the person who hurts you said.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: So your mind becomes your own worst enemy.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: So meditation is going to teach you how to Train your mind.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: You got to like reel it in because it will just run your life.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: And it really did.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: So like my 20s and was a lot of darkness, a lot of drugs, a lot of alcohol.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: And so meditation absolutely, absolutely saved me.
26:27
SPEAKER_02: So that part of the practice is really helping folks work
26:33
SPEAKER_02: through their darkest things,
26:34
SPEAKER_02: helping with the mindfulness,
26:36
SPEAKER_02: meditation,
26:36
SPEAKER_02: moving energy through the system because it can get stuck when we go
26:39
SPEAKER_02: through something.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: Scary.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: Even like a car accident,
26:43
SPEAKER_02: it can sort of freeze in the body, helping them release that and work that out.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: That's that aspect.
26:48
SPEAKER_02: The tea leaf reading is something very different.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: That's more ceremonial.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: That's going to be more bringing in the intuitive thing.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: They used to live together.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: I realized they had to be separate.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: So, but I mean, it's a work in progress.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: Like I started this in December.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm still the business part.
27:06
SPEAKER_02: Social media started in May.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: So I am like, I don't know what I'm doing.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: What finally pushed you?
27:14
SPEAKER_00: Because what's interesting,
27:15
SPEAKER_00: what's interesting with my story is that like,
27:18
SPEAKER_00: I say I've been in like an eight year rut.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: I had this feeling like, and then people were telling me make content, make content.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: Then I was just making excuses.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: Like you said, like, you know, like all that talk.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: And then this year, January, January 16th, it was just like automatic.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: I was just like, I have to do this.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: It's, I just have to do it.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
27:37
SPEAKER_00: It's like,
27:38
SPEAKER_00: And then I,
27:39
SPEAKER_00: and literally I made it as easy as possible and I pressed the record button
27:43
SPEAKER_00: and I made a promise to myself too.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, I'm going to make one video per day for the next hundred days.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to care what happens.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to just do it no matter what.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: And I have to keep my own word.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: And then I press with that intention.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: So it was literally an intention that I'm not going to give up and I'm just going to keep going.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: And then boom, I press that button.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: But I'm like wondering why at that moment,
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Why couldn't it have been,
28:10
SPEAKER_00: no regrets, but why wasn't it five years earlier or three, you know what I'm saying?
28:14
SPEAKER_00: Like that thing is so interesting and similar thing to you.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Why at that moment, right?
28:21
SPEAKER_02: Why does a butterfly choose to leave the cocoon when it does?
28:27
SPEAKER_02: I think I really think that that because I had the same thing was about five, six years.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: I was in I called it my cocoon phase.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: I pulled back from all relationships, jobs, everything.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: I just nested in my own my own energy.
28:42
SPEAKER_02: I had to pull everything back in and kind of recalibrate.
28:46
SPEAKER_02: And I think I think why I needed that recalibration is I was heading on the wrong path and.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to say spirit.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: You can say whatever else.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: But spirit was like, you're going the wrong way.
28:59
SPEAKER_02: We need to divert you.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: And so put me in this cocoon so that I could head in the right way.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: Why was it on May 12th that I decided to put the first video up?
29:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I had been thinking about it for so long.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: I think it was finally time.
29:16
SPEAKER_02: It was just finally time.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: But I don't know,
29:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm curious about your story because you,
29:21
SPEAKER_02: it sounds like you had something similar where you just nested for a bit.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: It's exactly the same story.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: I didn't even know there was a word for a cocoon.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: That's what I was doing.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: But it was nice.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: It was like a cocoon.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's very cozy.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: It's very cozy.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: So cozy.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: Almost too cozy.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like, you know, like everything happens.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: Almost too cozy.
29:45
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: Sisko, are you going through your cocoon phase too?
29:52
SPEAKER_00: Kind of?
29:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think you can go through many cocoons, no?
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Right?
29:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: Throughout your life.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Tell Katherine about your cocoon, Sisko.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: He's my co-host.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, to introduce myself, because my page is basically empty.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: I met Bruno here on X on Twitter,
30:14
SPEAKER_01: and we were co-hosting these X spaces, which was like a vibe sesh through audio.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: And that was over a year.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: He blew up on Instagram.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: So he took it over here.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: So I've been continuing to co-host.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: But outside of that, I have not been producing content.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: I did in 2020 design wallpaper stuff.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: I did go viral.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: And then I was doing it for the attention of like, I didn't like the craft of graphic design.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: I did it for the views.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: Then the views stopped.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, I hate doing this.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: I'm not getting my attention.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: You all know.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's,
30:50
SPEAKER_01: you have to have something sustainable underneath all the engagement you will get
30:54
SPEAKER_01: in sustain,
30:55
SPEAKER_01: but you have, you need that craft of what you're going to share out into the world.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: Regardless, everyone shows up like he did with a hundred videos.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: He was like, I don't care who shows up.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: I just need to do that number.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: So I started off on the wrong foot.
31:10
SPEAKER_01: So I'm basically in my sixth year,
31:12
SPEAKER_01: cause I'm like,
31:13
SPEAKER_01: I've always wanted to,
31:15
SPEAKER_01: Speak on the internet,
31:16
SPEAKER_01: but then I'm always like, I have nothing to say and blah, blah, blah.
31:19
SPEAKER_02: But this past year,
31:21
SPEAKER_01: I've been hosting,
31:22
SPEAKER_01: co-hosting,
31:24
SPEAKER_01: like we were having up to three,
31:26
SPEAKER_01: four hour conversations and we were amongst like the Bitcoiner community at
31:31
SPEAKER_01: the time.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: So we were not very technical at all.
31:33
SPEAKER_01: We were learning about the Bitcoiners,
31:35
SPEAKER_01: like the human beings, like, why do you care about this thing?
31:38
SPEAKER_01: What's your story?
31:39
SPEAKER_01: And we met all kinds of amazing people.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: Even Sully was in the comments earlier watching.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: We befriended so many people.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: It's been amazing.
31:49
SPEAKER_01: Live conversation is kind of my thing, but I don't repurpose the content or anything.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: Lazy on that front.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: That's the thing, Catherine.
31:59
SPEAKER_00: Young Cisco, he also wants to get out there, but I think he's in his cocoon right now.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: It's easier for me to do this than putting my phone on a tripod and then trying
32:12
SPEAKER_01: to say something like, I don't fucking know what to say to nobody.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, I got interest, I guess, but... What do you say to that, Catherine?
32:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what advice do you...
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Because we've been trying to get him to make videos and,
32:25
SPEAKER_00: you know, like, he's, like, talking to himself and psyching himself out.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm sure you have great advice.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: What do you think we should do for young Cisco that we can all learn from?
32:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so can I, like, sneak into your energy?
32:40
SPEAKER_02: Are you cool with that?
32:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's go.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: To be a little invasive...
32:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's go.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: So you'll notice that I kind of like look off to the distance and like poke my chest.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: This is what I do.
32:51
SPEAKER_02: Some people scribble with mediumship.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: But I actually see you,
32:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure if you've ever considered making actual movies,
32:59
SPEAKER_02: but I see you behind like an actual camera and you're filming someone going down
33:05
SPEAKER_02: a street and this feels like you're filming an actual movie.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure if this is something that you've ever considered of working more in.
33:18
SPEAKER_02: It feels Hollywood adjacent and these films feel quite art nouveau.
33:24
SPEAKER_02: It's almost as if you're bringing back a certain sort of.
33:29
SPEAKER_02: Artistry that films have lost,
33:31
SPEAKER_02: you know,
33:31
SPEAKER_02: films right now are just there to make money, you know, and they're just so dry.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: The kind of filming I see you working with is Very artistic.
33:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it makes you feel something.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, my chest feels like it's going to fall out.
33:49
SPEAKER_02: It's almost bringing back emotion into movies,
33:52
SPEAKER_02: what they were originally for,
33:54
SPEAKER_02: what art was originally for, to make you feel something.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: I feel like this is going to be very natural and it's just going to kind of happen for you.
34:05
SPEAKER_02: There's nothing you need to do or strive or work towards.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: Part of the reason why you're feeling a little bit stuck right now is
34:11
SPEAKER_02: that you're reaching for things that you think you should be doing and
34:14
SPEAKER_02: that other people tell you you should be doing and you're not listening
34:17
SPEAKER_02: to your own inner heart and you're an artist.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: You need to be creating and you're not creating right now.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: That is a gift that you have and you don't have to do it for others,
34:32
SPEAKER_02: but people need to feel What you have inside, there's such a depth of emotion there.
34:41
SPEAKER_02: And the way that you can pull that up and put that out,
34:46
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it will literally blow people away.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: And taking your time.
34:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm not telling you, like, go jump off, you know, the pier right now.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: Definitely don't do that.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: Take your time.
34:58
SPEAKER_02: There's no rush on this,
34:59
SPEAKER_02: but, like, paint a picture or something or, like, Take a pottery class.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: Bring some more of like tactile,
35:08
SPEAKER_02: something tactile with your hands away from a computer for a little bit.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: That's going to help bring that back to life.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: I'll pause there.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: And you might meet a nice lady because I know you're looking for a nice lady at
35:25
SPEAKER_00: the pottery class, bro.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Pottery class.
35:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a good spot.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: Dude, you get out of the computer,
35:34
SPEAKER_00: you use tactile,
35:36
SPEAKER_00: and there's a possibility of many women,
35:38
SPEAKER_00: and you get more creative,
35:40
SPEAKER_00: and you get more creative about the content,
35:42
SPEAKER_00: which pushes you more and more to make the content that you want to make.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: But Cisco, the film thing, you would like to make film?
35:50
SPEAKER_00: What do you think of the film stuff behind the camera?
35:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I feel like there's a mixed bag of like,
36:00
SPEAKER_01: I haven't really thought of it like me being behind the camera.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: I feel like I have done that for others more so growing up
36:06
SPEAKER_01: and I've wanted it maybe turned on me or maybe both.
36:11
SPEAKER_01: But not that I want to make movie movies.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: But I guess what kind of linked is like I use Suno
36:22
SPEAKER_01: so I don't use like music production software,
36:24
SPEAKER_01: but I make music for myself instrumental.
36:27
SPEAKER_01: And I add emotion and like melancholic energy.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: Ah, there it is.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:33
SPEAKER_01: I've made like 160 plus songs.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: Can you play a song for Catherine a little bit?
36:38
SPEAKER_00: A little snippet?
36:38
SPEAKER_00: You got something that you can play?
36:41
SPEAKER_00: I want you to listen to this, if you can.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, go on.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I could.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: Okay, go.
36:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let me hear, let me hear.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: But Catherine, whenever you're ready, Cisco.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: But Catherine, I think you're really impacting him right now because he needs to see this.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: We've all been saying this to him.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: But you understand exactly what you said?
37:02
SPEAKER_00: We said it in our own way.
37:04
SPEAKER_00: But you said it so beautifully that I actually think it's going to reach this guy.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: But you understand?
37:10
SPEAKER_00: He has this talent.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: I call him the street poet.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: When he's really speaking...
37:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is beautiful.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh my, it's so fresh, so young, so Gen Z, you know what I'm saying?
37:23
SPEAKER_00: It's like, it's so interesting.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: And he doesn't see that.
37:27
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, oh, what do I have to say to the world?
37:29
SPEAKER_00: I have nothing to share.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: What are you talking about?
37:32
SPEAKER_00: But like,
37:33
SPEAKER_00: it's that thing,
37:33
SPEAKER_00: like you're saying,
37:34
SPEAKER_00: and he's working on meditation now, he's doing walking meditation.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully he'll find that gap where he sees, oh,
37:41
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:42
SPEAKER_00: you're just,
37:43
SPEAKER_00: this is bullshit negative talk, you know, like I'm going to go do the thing.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: And he needs to, and that's what he's been doing with the meditation, right, Cisco?
37:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've been actually trying to do a different version.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've seen Psycho-Cybernetics, but.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
37:59
SPEAKER_01: Genuinely relax the body, like muscle tension non-existent.
38:03
SPEAKER_01: You don't even feel your body.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: And then you can create vivid imagined experiences for your nervous system
38:10
SPEAKER_01: to experience so you can compound.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, that's a whole extra thing.
38:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, wait, tell me that book again.
38:17
SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: Psycho... Psycho... Psycho-cybernetics.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: Psycho-cybernetics.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay, thank you.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: Crap into the power of your subconscious mind to improve your self-image.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: I've never read it, but people love
38:30
SPEAKER_01: it.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: I'll just read the front and cover what bullet points.
38:34
SPEAKER_01: Include your self-image,
38:37
SPEAKER_01: learn to use your positive past,
38:40
SPEAKER_01: set and achieve worthwhile goals,
38:42
SPEAKER_01: develop compassion,
38:43
SPEAKER_01: self-respect,
38:44
SPEAKER_01: and forgiveness,
38:46
SPEAKER_01: cultivate the power of rational thinking,
38:49
SPEAKER_01: and discover the key to a happier, more successful life.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: To go into explaining it, but it's just applying cybernetics.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: That is how technology,
39:00
SPEAKER_01: self-steering technology, so like a guided missile from point A to point B.
39:06
SPEAKER_01: And it has corrective feedback of like positive and negative.
39:09
SPEAKER_01: And he's applying that to the human mind with your conscious and your subconscious.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: So the conscious mind holds your self-image of who you want to be.
39:19
SPEAKER_01: Your nervous system is guiding you to that point B objective.
39:25
SPEAKER_01: And then as you're getting positive feedback and negative feedback,
39:30
SPEAKER_01: people tend to focus on their negative,
39:34
SPEAKER_01: which gets them off course and actually recreates the self-image they're going
39:38
SPEAKER_01: towards.
39:38
SPEAKER_01: So I had a failure personality, like,
39:42
SPEAKER_01: because deep in my bones,
39:44
SPEAKER_01: Like you can have all the affirmations in the world of like,
39:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm better on this and that.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: But if in your bones, you feel like a loser, like you can't win.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: So yeah,
39:53
SPEAKER_01: it's just basically like,
39:55
SPEAKER_01: when bad shit happens, like, you know, you don't have to ruminate on it.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: And you can discard it because that's what a cybernetic system does.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: Basically,
40:04
SPEAKER_01: it just like takes what doesn't work and throws it away and takes what does work
40:07
SPEAKER_01: and stores it.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: And then anyway, Like I'm trying to like master this book right now.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm underlining it.
40:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm just trying to
40:19
SPEAKER_01: get into visualization now so that I can put my nervous system
40:24
SPEAKER_01: into being and doing who I want to be.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: Because it can't tell the difference between a real and an imagined experience,
40:32
SPEAKER_01: a vividly imagined.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: Your nervous system can't tell the difference.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: So living in misery, I was just like, Powerfully telling my nervous system to stay miserable.
40:43
SPEAKER_02: That's what we do.
40:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: I've read this book before, but it didn't really hit me.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: I just like how logical it is.
40:55
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: This is your second time reading it then.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: It's your second time reading it.
40:59
SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
41:00
SPEAKER_02: That was a very good indicator.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: I've listened to the audio book probably like twice and then the book again.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: I just try to replay it.
41:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm not always retaining it perfectly, but just having it.
41:17
SPEAKER_01: I do want to play the song.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: Change Your Paradigm, Change Your Life by Bob Proctor.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: He read Think and Grow Rich for like 60 years.
41:25
SPEAKER_01: He just kept reading one book and he mastered it.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: He was like,
41:30
SPEAKER_01: some people can just read one book for 60 years,
41:33
SPEAKER_01: but they're not retaining any of that information.
41:36
SPEAKER_01: He was like, let me lock in on one book.
41:39
SPEAKER_01: And he just mastered thinking.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: And you chose cybernetics.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: And you chose cybernetics to lock in.
41:44
SPEAKER_01: It just, like, scratches the itch better than, like, that book did for whatever reason.
41:49
SPEAKER_02: Everyone, I think, is drawn to a particular teaching.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: And then that's the teaching.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: Let's go work for the brain.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: Totally.
41:59
SPEAKER_01: Let me play a little snippet of...
42:02
SPEAKER_01: This was the old Suno model.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: I can't be...
42:06
SPEAKER_01: I've been trying to recreate my sound here.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: And I'm struggling.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, the model changed?
42:11
SPEAKER_00: The sound changed?
42:12
SPEAKER_00: I really love this song.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: Let's go, guys.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: One more time.
42:17
SPEAKER_00: One more time.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: And I'll play like a minute and then...
42:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: One minute.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: Good.
42:24
SPEAKER_01: Tell me if you can hear it.
42:26
Oof.
43:32
I'll stop at that minute point, but I basically have like chill, chill instrumental.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: And then I have like female vocals, like either long drawn or Anyway, I have so many.
43:44
SPEAKER_01: I was kind of like, damn, which one should I play?
43:46
SPEAKER_01: So ethereal.
43:48
SPEAKER_01: That was so beautiful.
43:50
SPEAKER_01: I do.
43:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's all kinds.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: Cisco, are you listening to her?
43:55
SPEAKER_00: She called it ethereal.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: Pay attention, bro.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's probably one of the key words in my prompt.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: It's your ethereal.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: It's all AI.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: People are like, oh, so you're not a real artist, pal.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: Dude, I'm not spending hundreds of hours learning how to tweet this shit.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: And I would actually like beatbox into these sometimes too.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: What?
44:19
SPEAKER_01: You've never shared one of those.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: Cringe, bro.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: Nah, it's not cringe.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: There's no such thing as cringe.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: There's no such thing as cringe, bro.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: But I guess an example like...
44:37
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's like more drum and bass, but...
44:42
SPEAKER_02: Wait, was that coming out of your mouth?
44:46
SPEAKER_02: No, wait.
44:47
SPEAKER_01: I thought you were playing something.
44:50
SPEAKER_02: Wait, wait,
44:51
SPEAKER_02: do it again.
44:52
SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: Hold on one second.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: Hold on one second.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: I got a link in your mouth.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: No.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: No.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: Katherine, Katherine, how do we get this guy to start posting videos?
45:09
SPEAKER_00: Really, like the world needs to see this guy.
45:11
SPEAKER_00: He went from Cypher Cybernetics to like beatboxing to DJing.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: Katherine, this guy is a star.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: He's just so amazing.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: What do you think is going on?
45:22
SPEAKER_00: Why does he have all this negative stuff?
45:24
SPEAKER_00: We've been trying to break him out of that mold.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: But what would you say?
45:28
SPEAKER_02: Let me ask you,
45:29
SPEAKER_02: let me ask you about When I said you were behind the camera,
45:35
SPEAKER_02: can you just check in with your body and how did that feel?
45:38
SPEAKER_02: Well,
45:43
SPEAKER_01: I guess I kind of forget my initial reaction, but.
45:48
SPEAKER_02: Always being behind the camera, never being in front of it.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess that's been what I've done.
45:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: Tell me a little bit more about it.
46:00
SPEAKER_02: Can you feel that in your body anywhere?
46:03
SPEAKER_01: I guess my chest.
46:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: Your chest.
46:08
SPEAKER_01: Not the heart directly, but kind of like center above.
46:12
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
46:13
SPEAKER_02: Like the sternum area here?
46:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
46:18
SPEAKER_01: I felt something a little there.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
46:21
SPEAKER_01: Give it a color.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: I always help people take good pictures of them.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: I take good video of them.
46:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: Nothing
46:28
SPEAKER_01: for me.
46:29
SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:31
SPEAKER_02: What is that?
46:32
SPEAKER_02: What is that?
46:33
SPEAKER_02: Tell me, what is that?
46:34
SPEAKER_02: Come back to this.
46:35
SPEAKER_02: Come back to this part, though.
46:36
SPEAKER_02: Put your hand right back there.
46:39
SPEAKER_02: Don't get locked in the story.
46:40
SPEAKER_02: We're going to stay with this.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: Tell me a little bit about this.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: We're going to just I'm going to ask you some weird questions.
46:47
SPEAKER_02: Just come up with whatever comes to your mind.
46:50
SPEAKER_02: Can you give a color to it?
46:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh, now I feel like it has shifted to my heart, whatever feeling I'm having.
47:00
SPEAKER_01: Follow that.
47:01
SPEAKER_01: Well,
47:07
SPEAKER_01: I guess I can't think of one off the rip.
47:10
SPEAKER_02: Clear is fine.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: Maybe blue.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: Sad.
47:16
SPEAKER_02: That's fine.
47:17
SPEAKER_02: What we're doing is we're just kind of like personifying because there's there's
47:21
SPEAKER_02: a wound happen here.
47:24
SPEAKER_02: There's this feeling that you're always behind the camera, never in front of it.
47:27
SPEAKER_02: And that hurts.
47:29
SPEAKER_02: That hurts your heart.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: And now your heart is physically responding to that hurt.
47:33
SPEAKER_02: So we just like going to personify it a little bit so we can understand it a little bit better.
47:38
SPEAKER_02: Because once that softens,
47:40
SPEAKER_02: that fear of being in front of the camera softens because it's probably a fear.
47:45
SPEAKER_02: Once it softens, you're going to feel way more comfortable.
47:47
SPEAKER_02: It will just naturally flip.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: It will just naturally happen.
47:56
SPEAKER_01: Very interesting.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: You can sit with it.
48:00
SPEAKER_01: Do it in your meditation.
48:03
SPEAKER_02: Just play with that sense there.
48:05
SPEAKER_02: Because that's it.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: Bro, that's it right there, bro.
48:10
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I'm learning so much too.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: I got to apply this in my life too.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you've always been behind the camera.
48:23
SPEAKER_00: Why, bro?
48:24
SPEAKER_00: Why?
48:25
SPEAKER_00: That's the question, bro.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: Like, in high school, I did a vocational program for graphic design.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: And then, like, for my family's business, I'd be recording my dad, who's the guru.
48:37
SPEAKER_01: Oh, there it is.
48:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
48:40
SPEAKER_02: There it is.
48:40
SPEAKER_02: All right.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: Go back to your dad.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:43
SPEAKER_02: Wait.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
48:45
SPEAKER_00: Tell him this.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, I guess not to share it too much, but like just a service-based business.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: We work with like steel and well, fuck it.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: So it's basically fire escapes.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: It's just everything connects to find me and I'm like, but anyway, fire escapes.
49:11
SPEAKER_01: So stuff you see in New York, like,
49:13
SPEAKER_01: you know,
49:13
SPEAKER_01: those steel structures on the outside,
49:15
SPEAKER_01: you got to keep that,
49:17
SPEAKER_01: you know, Certified, you know, make sure it doesn't hurt nobody.
49:20
SPEAKER_01: It's not going to fall apart.
49:22
SPEAKER_01: So he's been doing that forever.
49:25
SPEAKER_01: So he would teach like fire departments, building departments, things like that.
49:31
SPEAKER_01: So I'd be there to help film that, you know, when I could.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: And I guess that's probably the only prominent thing.
49:39
SPEAKER_01: So I got really good at capturing other people in that sense.
49:43
SPEAKER_01: I did.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: I used to be a videographer for like a gym.
49:47
SPEAKER_01: That did like CrossFit for a little bit and then COVID hit and I stopped.
49:52
SPEAKER_01: You're muted again.
49:55
SPEAKER_00: Bro, this is all new for me, but continue.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
49:58
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
49:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, like I was Adobe certified back, you know, pre 2020.
50:06
SPEAKER_01: So this is high school time.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: So I was always, you know, whatever school told me to make and then for people in my life, um,
50:17
SPEAKER_01: There was actually one time in high school I did start a little vlog series.
50:21
SPEAKER_01: I would do a 60-second vlog like b-roll throughout the day and actually
50:24
SPEAKER_01: the school like it did but then I got lazy and stopped that.
50:31
SPEAKER_01: Very interesting I you know and then
50:33
SPEAKER_01: when I did create something it was wallpapers like I wasn't speaking
50:36
SPEAKER_01: but I've always wanted to speak and teach people like I didn't want to be like
50:40
SPEAKER_01: a dancer and like be a cute e-boy Back in the day,
50:45
SPEAKER_01: like, you know, everyone was just like looking good.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: And that's all they had to offer.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: I wanted more substance.
50:51
SPEAKER_01: But then you get into the imposter syndrome, like,
50:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm not a highly educated or whatever, like,
50:59
SPEAKER_01: you know,
50:59
SPEAKER_01: for me to teach this book,
51:00
SPEAKER_01: I feel like I have to read it 10 times over to tell someone about it,
51:03
SPEAKER_01: you know, that's like a confidence problem I have.
51:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to work.
51:07
SPEAKER_02: We all have it.
51:08
SPEAKER_02: We all have it.
51:09
SPEAKER_02: You are not alone in that.
51:11
SPEAKER_02: Everybody has that.
51:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm curious.
51:15
SPEAKER_02: I want to say something about and just see how this lands, if this if this feels true for you.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: But the way you earned love from your dad was by propping him up.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: By showcasing his gifts and talents.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: You're saying that so say the first part again.
51:34
SPEAKER_02: The way you earned love from your dad was by showcasing his gifts and talents.
51:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I wouldn't say that's how I earned love.
51:46
SPEAKER_02: That's fine.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: I think he was pretty good at giving me love outside of that.
51:52
SPEAKER_01: And I think because of, uh,
51:55
SPEAKER_01: like you do feel obligated is not the right word,
52:00
SPEAKER_01: but, um, for like, you've given me so much.
52:05
SPEAKER_01: I want to get back kind of, um,
52:10
SPEAKER_01: You know, cause I grew up very sick.
52:12
SPEAKER_01: Like I have stills disease, which is like the worst arthritis.
52:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I grew up dealing with that.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, he helped me all through that.
52:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, he's always been a good dad.
52:24
SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, like to be honest, take us on trips.
52:29
SPEAKER_01: He would just, I guess he was gone cause he had to like work a lot.
52:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, but thankfully my mom got to stay at home and chill with us.
52:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, So I didn't really have,
52:41
SPEAKER_01: outside of my own ailments,
52:44
SPEAKER_01: like I didn't really have anything bad,
52:46
SPEAKER_01: you know,
52:47
SPEAKER_01: or I had to earn, like, I kind of had his love no matter what, if that makes sense.
52:52
SPEAKER_01: So you feel a deep debt of gratitude is what's going on here.
52:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:00
SPEAKER_01: Debt of gratitude is a good way to put it.
53:03
SPEAKER_02: But debt is an interesting word.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
53:07
SPEAKER_02: Because a debt means something needs to be paid back.
53:14
SPEAKER_01: That is true.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: That is true.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:19
SPEAKER_02: I have so many questions.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because me and my twin brother are fraternal.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're working in the family business together, too.
53:26
SPEAKER_02: A twin?
53:27
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
53:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:31
SPEAKER_01: So, and I guess, too, some other context is I have a 40-year difference with my father.
53:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, he's not just 20 years older than me, so he's in his 60s right now, too.
53:42
SPEAKER_01: So there's also, like, Blue Merchant app, too.
53:46
SPEAKER_02: Wow, okay.
53:50
SPEAKER_00: So you don't want to leave the family business to pursue your thing
53:53
SPEAKER_00: because you feel like this debt of gratitude for your dad is essential.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: It's like a mix of that and, like, with, like,
54:02
SPEAKER_01: no limitations, the vision of where that stuff can go, like, it's unbelievable.
54:08
SPEAKER_01: And I mean the money we're making now and it can only get better if we digitize it more.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's just hard blue collar work, you know, and you just don't want to do that forever.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: But we'll build the systems and hire people.
54:25
SPEAKER_01: But when you're building the plane while you're flying it, it's just a tough time.
54:30
SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of now in my adulthood, just like literally managing energy.
54:35
SPEAKER_01: Has been just a rollercoaster.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: Cause like some days wipe you out.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: Some days are extra long and you didn't expect it to be.
54:42
SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, you're bound.
54:46
SPEAKER_01: And then you go home and your boss is at home.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: Cause I live at home with that.
54:52
SPEAKER_02: That's a lot.
54:53
SPEAKER_01: It's always work.
54:54
SPEAKER_01: So I'm kind of like, damn, I kind of want to disconnect a bit.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: And then you come, come on here and then talk to us all night.
55:03
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's why I'm so grateful for Vibe Sesh.
55:07
SPEAKER_01: It was because I'm very, I'm a hermit.
55:09
SPEAKER_01: Like I don't go out and I don't really socialize.
55:13
SPEAKER_01: So it was finally an opportunity for me to meet well,
55:15
SPEAKER_01: like-minded people at the time with like the Bitcoin community.
55:18
SPEAKER_01: So we all like agreed on things and we didn't have to talk about it.
55:22
SPEAKER_01: We could talk to each other and it was great.
55:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:25
SPEAKER_01: And that helped me build friendships and through osmosis,
55:29
SPEAKER_01: I've learned conversation and just Feeling good to speak authentically.
55:34
SPEAKER_01: That was the biggest lesson.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: Because I was very scared.
55:38
SPEAKER_01: When Bruno first met me, I was very shy and very timid.
55:42
SPEAKER_01: But I became his co-host.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: And then I've been ever since.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: And Catherine, he's never missed a day.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: He's never missed a five-search.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: Think about that.
55:52
SPEAKER_00: Think about that.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: Never missed a five-search.
55:54
SPEAKER_02: How long have you guys
55:55
SPEAKER_00: been doing this?
55:56
SPEAKER_00: Over a year.
55:57
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
55:58
SPEAKER_00: Every week?
56:00
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: Which means that to me, that's where his passion is.
56:08
SPEAKER_00: He loves co-hosting.
56:09
SPEAKER_00: He loves having these kinds of conversations.
56:11
SPEAKER_00: He loves teaching and talking about what he learned about cyber cybernetics.
56:16
SPEAKER_00: And then he says, Catherine, I have nothing to say.
56:20
SPEAKER_00: So there's like this big...
56:22
SPEAKER_02: But I get it.
56:24
SPEAKER_02: I said the same thing until I didn't.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: You will say it until you won't.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:36
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
56:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, literally, that's what happened.
56:39
SPEAKER_00: Now that Catherine's saying that, right?
56:42
SPEAKER_00: I was talking bullshit the entire time until I stopped talking about bullshit.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
56:47
SPEAKER_00: And then I just pressed record.
56:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:51
SPEAKER_02: And the first videos are so cringy, for sure.
56:56
SPEAKER_02: My first ones are so American.
56:59
SPEAKER_00: I cannot watch my...
57:01
SPEAKER_00: First video, Katherine.
57:02
SPEAKER_00: I tell all my friends, I literally, it would be torture.
57:04
SPEAKER_00: It would be like, what's that one?
57:06
SPEAKER_00: Clockwork Orange?
57:07
SPEAKER_00: Where they have to open your eyes and make me see.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: But that's the only way I will watch my first video, Katherine.
57:15
SPEAKER_00: That's how bad it was.
57:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, mine are,
57:19
SPEAKER_02: I hope mine aren't buried in the hells
57:22
SPEAKER_02: of Instagram deletion trash can somewhere never to be resurfaced again.
57:28
SPEAKER_02: They were so bad.
57:29
SPEAKER_02: But honestly, I feel like a big part of it is like getting over that, getting over yourself.
57:33
SPEAKER_02: You got to get over your own ick and put like the ickiest shit out there.
57:37
SPEAKER_02: And you've got to like go through how uncomfortable that is because it's so uncomfortable.
57:42
SPEAKER_00: And then you're like, I
57:43
SPEAKER_02: can do anything
57:44
SPEAKER_00: now.
57:45
SPEAKER_00: I can do anything.
57:48
SPEAKER_00: Don't you think putting yourself out there on social media is like
57:52
SPEAKER_00: the most therapeutic thing ever?
57:55
SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh, it's huge.
57:57
SPEAKER_02: I've received death threats and I have really had to learn how to like realize
58:03
SPEAKER_02: that people on the Internet don't deserve my time, space or energy.
58:07
SPEAKER_02: And if you're going to be nasty to me, you're going to get blocked.
58:10
SPEAKER_02: But inside I had this people pleaser like,
58:12
SPEAKER_00: oh, I must be nice.
58:14
SPEAKER_00: I've got to like, you know, let's go to the table.
58:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
58:20
SPEAKER_02: It is massive shadow work because you've got to grow thick skin.
58:24
SPEAKER_02: And well, for me, I'm not saying everyone needs to do this for me.
58:27
SPEAKER_02: I really need to grow some thick skin.
58:31
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, really get over my get over myself, admit my mistakes.
58:35
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I put a video out that was totally incorrect.
58:39
SPEAKER_00: It's so wrong.
58:40
SPEAKER_02: Really had to retract that.
58:42
SPEAKER_02: That was the whole thing.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
58:45
SPEAKER_02: What?
58:45
SPEAKER_00: What was that video?
58:46
SPEAKER_00: Tell us about that video.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: What was that video?
58:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
58:50
SPEAKER_02: It was a stunt.
58:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
58:51
SPEAKER_02: No one go and find this video.
58:53
SPEAKER_02: Cause it's so deleted.
58:54
SPEAKER_02: I was doing a video on, I couldn't believe.
58:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:58
SPEAKER_02: I got my back.
58:59
SPEAKER_02: I flip flopped the studies and I just totally misread the studies.
59:04
SPEAKER_02: Like it was just, it was wrong, wrong.
59:05
SPEAKER_02: So wrong.
59:08
SPEAKER_00: You should have just left it.
59:09
SPEAKER_00: Who cares?
59:10
SPEAKER_00: No, and it went kind of viral.
59:12
SPEAKER_02: And then someone was like, this is so fucking wrong.
59:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that was embarrassing.
59:21
SPEAKER_00: I learned a lesson.
59:23
SPEAKER_00: For me, Catherine, it's like, man, I can't believe you received death threats.
59:26
SPEAKER_00: I've never received death threats.
59:27
SPEAKER_00: I've received some weird messages, but definitely not death threats.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: But for me, Catherine, it's like, of course, I have to deal with weird comments.
59:37
SPEAKER_00: But for me...
59:39
SPEAKER_00: Like the hardest part is I get a bunch of videos that do well and then I go,
59:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm in that dry period now where nothing's gone viral.
59:48
SPEAKER_00: So then I feel so shitty.
59:50
SPEAKER_00: I feel so shitty.
59:51
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like,
59:53
SPEAKER_00: I feel like I've done There's so much inner work where I'm like,
59:55
SPEAKER_00: bro, you're just fucking talking to yourself.
59:57
SPEAKER_00: This is stupid.
59:58
SPEAKER_00: It means nothing.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_00: And just keep producing, but I can't, you know what I'm saying?
1:00:03
SPEAKER_00: Like, even at this advanced level as the Vibe Samurai,
1:00:06
SPEAKER_00: my mind is just saying like, you're a loser because you haven't had a viral thing.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_00: You're done.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_00: You're finished.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_00: That's literally the thing that I'm saying.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_00: And I have to get up and I have to get that energy back.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: It's so crazy.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully I'm getting better.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_02: And it's that energy that keeps the creation from actually coming forward.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: But I always say, look at Taylor Swift's last album.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_02: How many songs on that album went platinum?
1:00:39
SPEAKER_02: One out of like 25.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_02: I bet you couldn't name a single fucking song on that.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_02: I bet you've never heard of them ever.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_02: And most people haven't.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_02: There's one song on that album that has like 2 billion streams on...
1:00:53
SPEAKER_02: On Spotify, everyone, every other song, nowhere near it, nowhere near it.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_02: So there was one blossom of genius and the rest is sort of the stage, the soil.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_02: And that's how it's going to work.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_02: Look at Picasso, he painted thousands of paintings.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_02: How many paintings of Picasso can you name?
1:01:16
SPEAKER_02: One, there was like one really big one, maybe a couple others.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_02: That is the creative life.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_02: You're going to build some good stuff and some great stuff and then some monumental shit.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_02: You cannot always chase that dragon.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm saying this for myself
1:01:35
SPEAKER_02: too because I need to know it
1:01:37
SPEAKER_00: too.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_00: But you're just saying, yeah, most of my shit is going to be shit, right?
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: Most of my shit is going to be shit.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_00: Damn, I like that mindset, bro.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_00: It's a practice.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_02: It's a practice round.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_02: But it's not shit.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_02: How many views do you have on your worst video right now?
1:01:56
SPEAKER_00: Like 40,000?
1:01:57
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_00: That's like a stadium of people.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_00: Perspective, guys.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_00: Perspective.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
1:02:10
SPEAKER_00: Hey, but Catherine, I'm very curious because you're so in tuned.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_00: You're all about enchantment and You know, bringing more magic into your life.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_00: I love the language you use everywhere, right?
1:02:23
SPEAKER_00: Like, but so for you, what do you think about AI?
1:02:26
SPEAKER_00: Where does AI fit into all of this stuff from your worldview and perspective?
1:02:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, is it?
1:02:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_00: Tell me what you think.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_00: What is AI?
1:02:35
SPEAKER_02: I love AI.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_02: I think it's incredible.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_02: I have to cough.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_02: So like, let me, can I mute myself?
1:02:41
SPEAKER_02: How do I do that?
1:02:42
SPEAKER_02: So you can't
1:02:43
SPEAKER_01: hear me.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_02: Like, screaming your ears.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_00: She's so considerate, guys.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_00: She's so considerate.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_02: I hate when people cough in my ears.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_02: Ew, germs.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love AI.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm in grad school right now.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_02: So you better fucking believe I love AI.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_02: It's fantastic.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, it's going to have problems.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_02: Like, unforeseeable.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_02: And the thing is, like,
1:03:14
SPEAKER_02: When a world starts gathering together and deciding beforehand
1:03:19
SPEAKER_02: that something is going to destroy us, it shall look like that.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_02: We are paving our own way with that.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_02: But AI could definitely give us the potential of everyone not having to work anymore.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_02: Like universal basic income, that could actually come as a result of AI.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_02: That is a reality.
1:03:41
SPEAKER_02: Could happen.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_02: And it should happen.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_02: And that would clean up a lot of problems.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm in the world of psychology.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_02: So there is a lot of AI psychosis out there.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of weird stuff.
1:03:52
SPEAKER_02: You cannot talk to spirits through AI.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_02: You cannot access your past lives through AI.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_02: That's not real.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people are getting really lost in thinking
1:04:07
SPEAKER_02: that they're finding some kind of spiritual truth in AI.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
1:04:13
SPEAKER_02: That part's wonky.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_00: You're saying people,
1:04:17
SPEAKER_00: because people, you tell me, sounds like you've done a lot of work on this.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_00: So, because when people say psychosis, to me, I'm like, You know, like it's unclear the data.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_00: Did they come in with some psychosis already?
1:04:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, like the data is very muddy.
1:04:32
SPEAKER_00: But now you're talking about like, that makes sense.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_00: People using AI to talk about, hey, can you call up?
1:04:39
SPEAKER_00: What do you think my mom would say or my grandmother would say?
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: And there's a past life and they get into some kind of psychosis.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: That part I didn't realize.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_00: But you think it's common?
1:04:47
SPEAKER_00: How common do you think it is?
1:04:49
SPEAKER_00: And is there other stuff going on in this psychosis thing?
1:04:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think, I mean, it's only as common as,
1:04:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm just in
1:04:59
SPEAKER_02: it.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_02: So I am witnessing it because I'm in this world.
1:05:01
SPEAKER_02: And it is quite common in what I am seeing,
1:05:05
SPEAKER_02: that AI is going to reinforce any of your delusional beliefs, period.
1:05:10
SPEAKER_02: It's going to reinforce it.
1:05:11
SPEAKER_02: It is designed to reinforce your delusional beliefs.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_02: So if anyone comes in with a belief that There are reptilians in our government
1:05:24
SPEAKER_02: that are wearing skin suits, and these are real conspiracies.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_02: Like, this is on the Internet.
1:05:31
SPEAKER_02: Like, I will confirm that for you.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_00: You don't think they're reptiles?
1:05:35
SPEAKER_00: I feel like the politicians are truly, what?
1:05:38
SPEAKER_00: They seem like reptiles.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_00: They're so terrible.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, I mean, they do kind of suck, but are they?
1:05:46
SPEAKER_02: And the reptiles is an ally.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_02: Like, it's not...
1:05:51
SPEAKER_02: It's an allegory.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_02: Is the allegory what I want to use?
1:05:53
SPEAKER_02: They're working from the reptilian brain.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_02: I think that's more what we're trying to say.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_02: They're not actually alligators from outer space.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I took it too literally.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh, shit, I didn't know you were talking about the reptilian part of the brain.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_00: Somebody needs to make a video about this.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_00: Catherine, you need to make more videos like this, man.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_00: You're so funny.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_00: Hey, Cisco, see, this is the thing.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_00: Every guest we have,
1:06:20
SPEAKER_00: We talked to them on Vibe Sesh,
1:06:21
SPEAKER_00: and it's like,
1:06:22
SPEAKER_00: the real person is like,
1:06:25
SPEAKER_00: you're interesting on the timeline, but you're even more interesting on Vibe Sesh.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_00: Do you get the same feeling, Cisco,
1:06:31
SPEAKER_01: all our guests?
1:06:33
SPEAKER_01: I think that's what just lives in general do.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you get to be a real person.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_02: It's a performance.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm still in my performance era.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, you're definitely getting, like, theater kid.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_02: It's, yeah, full performance.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_02: I even have my performance voice.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_02: But this is more real.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_01: What's underneath that?
1:06:55
SPEAKER_01: What's underneath that?
1:06:56
SPEAKER_01: Oh, shit.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_02: Oh, shit.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_02: She said nothing.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_02: Probably just air, honestly.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_00: I feel you.
1:07:03
SPEAKER_00: I feel you.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_02: I'm curious, what's y'all's plan?
1:07:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, because you blew up astronomically.
1:07:21
SPEAKER_02: So I'm guessing you're just throwing stuff together.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_02: But do you have like a big vision?
1:07:25
SPEAKER_02: Where do you think you're heading?
1:07:27
SPEAKER_00: Not really.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_00: See, that's the thing.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel like, Catherine, like, it's very interesting.
1:07:32
SPEAKER_00: I used to, like, kind of dream more and think more.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_00: But, like,
1:07:36
SPEAKER_00: now I'm just kind of, like,
1:07:38
SPEAKER_00: more focused on what I can see,
1:07:41
SPEAKER_00: you know, like,
1:07:41
SPEAKER_00: and just moving my intentions towards that aligned thing,
1:07:46
SPEAKER_00: being aligned,
1:07:47
SPEAKER_00: and then just taking those small actions every day and then surrendering to
1:07:51
SPEAKER_00: the universe.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of where I'm at.
1:07:54
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:07:55
SPEAKER_00: And so when I say aligned stuff, it's Vibe Sesh.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_00: I love this.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_00: I feel so amazing.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_00: Every Wednesday night, 8 p.m.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_00: Eastern,
1:08:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm so grateful to have this audience talk to people like you,
1:08:11
SPEAKER_00: amazing people like you, have my co-host by here.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_00: And we're just going deep on stuff and we're connecting.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_00: So I just keep doing more of that.
1:08:21
SPEAKER_00: And I love making content.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_00: So I'll just keep doing that.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_00: And slowly, some opportunities are coming up.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_00: On Friday, there's this publisher that wants me to write a book.
1:08:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what?
1:08:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to write a book.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_00: And it's a legit publisher.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_00: I didn't tell you, Cisco?
1:08:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_00: But I'm happy.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're perfect.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_00: But we're just talking.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_00: But what I'm saying is,
1:08:45
SPEAKER_00: I just feel like if I keep doing what I enjoy, which is making the content...
1:08:51
SPEAKER_00: Vibe Sesh, connecting people.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_00: Good things will happen, right?
1:08:56
SPEAKER_00: So I just keep moving in that direction,
1:08:58
SPEAKER_00: surrender to the universe,
1:08:59
SPEAKER_00: be open to the whole universe, and whatever happens, happens.
1:09:03
SPEAKER_00: Go with the flow.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_00: That's where I'm at.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_02: That's a fucking book right there.
1:09:07
SPEAKER_02: Like, that was so well said.
1:09:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of where I'm at.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm like in the surrender stage, Kath.
1:09:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:09:19
SPEAKER_02: See where the stream takes you.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_02: Where are you at?
1:09:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:09:21
SPEAKER_00: Where are you at?
1:09:23
SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm a mom.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_02: So I have a 17 month old.
1:09:26
SPEAKER_02: I live on a farm in East Texas.
1:09:29
SPEAKER_02: We're moving to Asheville.
1:09:30
SPEAKER_02: So I have a lot of like background life stuff.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_02: So social media is side quest, but there's a lot of stuff coming in.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_02: I got asked to interview to be on a television show.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_02: Like there's cool stuff coming in,
1:09:43
SPEAKER_02: but I have to balance real life at home, being a mother and grad school.
1:09:50
SPEAKER_02: So right now I kind of feel like Those people with the big sticks and like all
1:09:55
SPEAKER_02: the spinning plates.
1:09:56
SPEAKER_02: That's, that's what it feels like right now.
1:09:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to balance it all.
1:10:05
SPEAKER_02: I just got back from Burning Man a couple of weeks ago and I'm like, holy shit.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
1:10:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was Yeah, I accidentally got dosed with a bunch of psychedelics.
1:10:18
SPEAKER_02: So that was, yeah, it was a wild ride.
1:10:20
SPEAKER_00: Tell us, let's talk about that.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about Burning Man and let's talk about collective consciousness, right?
1:10:28
SPEAKER_00: Because you made a video about that.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_00: And I also made a video about that, about the Global Consciousness Project.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_00: You know, there was that thing that where they were... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_00: They used the same... Not in tears.
1:10:40
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
1:10:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm saying you know the story though, right?
1:10:42
SPEAKER_00: Like they...
1:10:44
SPEAKER_00: So it was called the Global Consciousness Project or something like that.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_00: And they use the same coin flipper machines.
1:10:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the box.
1:10:53
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_00: They used the same kind of device to test.
1:10:56
SPEAKER_00: What were they testing?
1:10:58
SPEAKER_00: They were testing,
1:10:58
SPEAKER_00: and this was like a multi-decade study,
1:11:01
SPEAKER_00: where they were looking for deviations in these devices,
1:11:06
SPEAKER_00: which is not supposed,
1:11:07
SPEAKER_00: let's just keep it very simple,
1:11:08
SPEAKER_00: it's not supposed to show any deviation, these coin flipping boxes.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_00: And so these guys tested,
1:11:15
SPEAKER_00: would there be any deviation if there was some sort of like global event going on,
1:11:20
SPEAKER_00: like COVID, Or Princess Diana dying back then, which was a big deal.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_00: And then if the collective consciousness is focused on one thing,
1:11:31
SPEAKER_00: does that create weird deviations in the devices?
1:11:35
SPEAKER_00: And the answer was yes.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like the data is debated,
1:11:40
SPEAKER_00: but the people who created the study said yes, that there was some deviations.
1:11:45
SPEAKER_00: And what's interesting is the guy who designed the study,
1:11:49
SPEAKER_00: he said that The way he analyzes the patterns,
1:11:54
SPEAKER_00: that the deviations are greater when
1:11:57
SPEAKER_00: the global event is causing collective compassion.
1:12:01
SPEAKER_00: Really?
1:12:01
SPEAKER_00: Instead of fear, war would be like an event, or 9-11, I don't know.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
1:12:10
SPEAKER_00: So he was saying that was one of his conclusions.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_00: And then you made a video about Burning Man and people studying the same thing
1:12:19
SPEAKER_00: during Burning Man because everybody's focused on one thing together in this event.
1:12:26
SPEAKER_00: But I've never been to Burning Man, but why don't you share that?
1:12:29
SPEAKER_02: You're going next year.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_02: You're coming.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_00: We need to make videos, content on Burning Man.
1:12:36
SPEAKER_00: Why didn't you make any content for Burning Man, actually?
1:12:39
SPEAKER_02: I lock my phone away and I don't touch it.
1:12:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
1:12:43
SPEAKER_02: it is.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_02: I completely go off-grid.
1:12:45
SPEAKER_02: I have to.
1:12:46
SPEAKER_02: I've got to completely go off-grid.
1:12:48
SPEAKER_02: I go for Burning Man.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_02: Everyone comes with an intention,
1:12:50
SPEAKER_02: but I had some really serious healing I needed to do, so that was the intention.
1:12:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm going in for this healing, and then...
1:13:00
SPEAKER_02: Fuck the phone.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I don't have a solitary singular picture.
1:13:04
SPEAKER_02: Not a one.
1:13:06
SPEAKER_02: Thank God.
1:13:07
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
1:13:10
SPEAKER_00: But Catherine, tell us about it.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_00: So because,
1:13:11
SPEAKER_00: you know, Cisco,
1:13:13
SPEAKER_00: our very first vibe sesh,
1:13:15
SPEAKER_00: Catherine, was over a year and a half ago or whatever, a year and a half.
1:13:21
SPEAKER_00: And our very first vibe sesh was a magic mushroom vibe sesh.
1:13:25
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_00: So we invited a lot of people and everybody was doing.
1:13:29
SPEAKER_00: And then there was this guy, Tim, who's led 300 mushroom sessions.
1:13:33
SPEAKER_00: He's like some kind of coach and guide.
1:13:36
SPEAKER_00: And he like joined and he was like, and he's been to a lot of Burning Man.
1:13:40
SPEAKER_00: So he was like that very first Vibe Session where we're all high.
1:13:43
SPEAKER_00: We're talking about all kinds of shit.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_00: Just like this Vibe Session.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_00: He was like, this is like a digital anonymous Burning Man.
1:13:50
SPEAKER_00: That's how he described Vibe Session.
1:13:52
SPEAKER_00: I like that.
1:13:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like that.
1:13:54
SPEAKER_02: That's, yeah,
1:13:55
SPEAKER_02: it's totally,
1:13:56
SPEAKER_02: totally accurate because these are the kinds of conversations that you're having
1:13:59
SPEAKER_02: in line while you're waiting to go in the orgy dome.
1:14:02
SPEAKER_00: Like just with anyone everywhere.
1:14:05
SPEAKER_02: Like you go deep right away.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_02: There are orgies everywhere.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_00: Like it's an abundance of orgies.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_02: Any flavor of orgy you want.
1:14:28
SPEAKER_02: If you want a very spiritual, holy orgy, there's one for you.
1:14:34
SPEAKER_02: Whatever you want.
1:14:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's there.
1:14:40
SPEAKER_00: What's the weirdest type of orgy you heard?
1:14:44
SPEAKER_02: I've heard of?
1:14:48
SPEAKER_02: Or that I've been to.
1:14:48
SPEAKER_02: Woo!
1:14:52
SPEAKER_02: Really, really weird shit.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
1:14:57
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if like, like the sky's the limit.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean, And I will not yuck someone else's yum.
1:15:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm not really into, like, furry stuff, right?
1:15:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't.
1:15:10
SPEAKER_02: That's not my thing.
1:15:11
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_02: So that's probably the weirdest.
1:15:15
SPEAKER_02: That wouldn't be me.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_02: But I, like, I will never yuck someone else's yum.
1:15:19
SPEAKER_02: I will never judge you if that's your thing.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_02: Everyone's got their king, so it's fine.
1:15:25
SPEAKER_02: But Catherine,
1:15:26
SPEAKER_02: so tell
1:15:26
SPEAKER_00: us, like, what are you feeling there from, like, a collective consciousness?
1:15:31
SPEAKER_00: And what are you feeling there that you would go there five times and it's healing?
1:15:35
SPEAKER_00: What's happening?
1:15:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I so first of all, they take away money.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_02: If you live in a society where money is no longer at play, think of what that does to people.
1:15:45
SPEAKER_02: They don't have to think about it.
1:15:46
SPEAKER_02: Their food is available.
1:15:47
SPEAKER_02: Like all of your resources are there and everyone is there to help or support you.
1:15:53
SPEAKER_02: Everyone will help or support you.
1:15:55
SPEAKER_02: And everyone has a shared sort of mindset of some form.
1:16:01
SPEAKER_02: We all want to see the world move in a more positive direction,
1:16:05
SPEAKER_02: but that's not really the case in everyday life.
1:16:08
SPEAKER_02: So right off the bat, that exists.
1:16:13
SPEAKER_02: Then there are temples and there's a lot of spiritual things happening
1:16:17
SPEAKER_02: and there's yoga and, you know, that's a whole element.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_02: And of course, there are a lot of drugs that exist too.
1:16:25
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of terrible things that happen.
1:16:27
SPEAKER_02: You know, I think someone was murdered last year.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_02: That was fucking crazy.
1:16:30
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it's like it functions like a regular city, but just at a higher level.
1:16:35
SPEAKER_02: And then everyone dresses crazy.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_02: The first time I went, I was pretty uptight.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_02: I worked in a business.
1:16:42
SPEAKER_02: I was a vice president at a tech company.
1:16:44
SPEAKER_02: So it's very business chicken.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_02: And I walk into this place and this woman's just chilling there like full bush,
1:16:52
SPEAKER_02: completely naked.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like,
1:16:56
SPEAKER_02: Like this,
1:16:57
SPEAKER_02: you know, like,
1:16:58
SPEAKER_02: and I just, for people to be so free with their bodies was insanely healing for me.
1:17:05
SPEAKER_02: It was insanely healing to just like be naked and no one's being creepy or throwing you in jail.
1:17:13
SPEAKER_02: Like think about a woman's breasts that we like fucking duct tape that shit.
1:17:17
SPEAKER_02: There's fucking wires like we're hoisting it up because there's a law that says
1:17:23
SPEAKER_02: that this Is illegal everywhere.
1:17:26
SPEAKER_02: Like no one's allowed to see this.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_02: But for you, it's okay.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_02: That's fine for you.
1:17:32
SPEAKER_00: Let's fix that.
1:17:33
SPEAKER_00: Equality for women.
1:17:34
SPEAKER_00: Equality.
1:17:35
SPEAKER_00: Free the boobs.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_00: Let's do that proposition 105.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_00: Let's make that happen.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_00: Free
1:17:41
SPEAKER_02: the boobs.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_02: So it kind of, I always say the first time it went, it gave me faith in humanity again.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_02: And this past year, We had an 85-year-old hanging out with us, first time at the burn.
1:17:57
SPEAKER_02: He turned to me, teary eyes, and he said, I don't have to worry about your generation anymore.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_02: He's getting ready to leave.
1:18:04
SPEAKER_02: And I, oh, you know, because every generation fears for the one coming in.
1:18:12
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm worried about you guys.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_02: This world isn't heading in a good place.
1:18:15
SPEAKER_02: But there, there's no worries.
1:18:18
SPEAKER_02: We're going to figure it out.
1:18:20
SPEAKER_00: Well, Katherine, you gotta like talk about this.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: You don't wanna make videos about like your experiences like this?
1:18:25
SPEAKER_00: This is very interesting.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_00: Damn.
1:18:29
SPEAKER_02: Right, Cisco?
1:18:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm still...
1:18:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm still coming out of the freaky closet, I would say.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_02: You know, like I'm still coming out of the freaky closet.
1:18:39
SPEAKER_02: Obviously
1:18:40
SPEAKER_00: take your time.
1:18:41
SPEAKER_00: Obviously take your time, but I'm saying just to plant seeds in your head.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_02: No, I need that.
1:18:46
SPEAKER_02: I need that.
1:18:47
SPEAKER_02: No, I totally need that.
1:18:48
SPEAKER_02: And those seeds need water.
1:18:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
1:18:52
SPEAKER_00: Right, Katherine?
1:18:53
SPEAKER_00: We're all doing this for each other.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
1:18:55
SPEAKER_00: I know you're the pro and stuff, but you know, we're the Vibe Samurai here.
1:18:59
SPEAKER_00: We help people.
1:19:00
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's a pro.
1:19:02
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's a pro at this.
1:19:04
SPEAKER_02: We all heal each other.
1:19:06
SPEAKER_00: But Catherine,
1:19:07
SPEAKER_00: like the thing is like, see,
1:19:10
SPEAKER_00: explain this because obviously it sounds amazing and you have hope for humanity.
1:19:16
SPEAKER_00: But like, how do you sustain this and take this out of Burning Man and spread?
1:19:19
SPEAKER_00: Why has this,
1:19:20
SPEAKER_00: you feel like it's spreading and people are becoming more Burning Man-ish
1:19:24
SPEAKER_00: and there is truly hope.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_00: That's the question.
1:19:28
SPEAKER_02: That's the question.
1:19:28
SPEAKER_00: Why doesn't it sustain?
1:19:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, why doesn't it sustain?
1:19:31
SPEAKER_00: Like just people just locking back.
1:19:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
1:19:34
SPEAKER_02: I think it's yeah, you lock back into real life pretty quickly.
1:19:38
SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people do bring this out.
1:19:40
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Elon Musk is there every single year.
1:19:43
SPEAKER_02: And I know he's a controversial character.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_02: And so is his brother.
1:19:47
SPEAKER_02: I get it.
1:19:47
SPEAKER_02: Everyone's got a thing.
1:19:48
SPEAKER_02: But he absolutely brings a lot of Burning Man into his work.
1:19:53
SPEAKER_02: He's like the soul.
1:19:54
SPEAKER_02: He's like the funding of Burning Man has been for a while.
1:19:59
SPEAKER_02: Everyone in Silicon Valley has been to Burning Man.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_02: Every billionaire, let's say like at least 50% of the billionaires have been to Burning Man.
1:20:07
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of influential people that are going there.
1:20:11
SPEAKER_02: And we want this because we want them to see the potential of humanity.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_02: But there is a contingence of Burning Man that is very angry at wealthy people.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_02: So there's a bit of a, you know, there's a bit of a scope up.
1:20:26
SPEAKER_00: So when you go to Burning Man, you literally don't have to bring anything.
1:20:30
SPEAKER_00: Like I can just show up and I'll have food, drinks, drugs.
1:20:34
SPEAKER_02: You would be considered a sparkle pony.
1:20:36
SPEAKER_02: If you did that, you would be labeled a sparkle pony.
1:20:39
SPEAKER_02: But yes, you could figure it out.
1:20:41
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be a sparkle pony.
1:20:43
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't sound good.
1:20:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be a stallion, not a fucking sparkle pony.
1:20:49
SPEAKER_00: What the fuck?
1:20:51
SPEAKER_02: There are people who show up with a backpack and just figure it out.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_02: There are people who do that.
1:20:57
SPEAKER_02: I have a camper and air conditioning.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_02: I brought my espresso machine.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_00: You bring your own stuff, obviously.
1:21:12
SPEAKER_01: You can bring a whole camper.
1:21:15
SPEAKER_01: Some people bring a pickup truck with a whole...
1:21:22
SPEAKER_02: Any variety of things.
1:21:24
SPEAKER_02: But I'll tell you guys,
1:21:26
SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you guys,
1:21:27
SPEAKER_02: so the first night I was there, so I went in with, I just had a baby, okay?
1:21:34
SPEAKER_02: So I had massive birth trauma.
1:21:36
SPEAKER_02: So everyone get comfortable with female anatomy real quick.
1:21:40
SPEAKER_02: When the birth process happens,
1:21:42
SPEAKER_02: the vaginal tissue rips, like you're literally ripping your body open.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_02: It was so...
1:21:48
SPEAKER_02: The whole thing went terribly wrong very quickly.
1:21:53
SPEAKER_02: And we were going to do a home birth.
1:21:54
SPEAKER_02: That didn't happen.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_02: Had to be rushed to the hospital.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_02: And it was 40 hours.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_02: So it was tragically hard and painful.
1:22:03
SPEAKER_02: So I developed something called vaginismus.
1:22:08
SPEAKER_02: And it's when your vagina will not accept any entrance of anything.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_02: It just like shuts down.
1:22:16
SPEAKER_02: So I have not had sex for a year and a half.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_02: Nothing I could not.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_02: Orgasm, nothing.
1:22:23
SPEAKER_02: It was like this part of my body shut down.
1:22:27
SPEAKER_02: I went to doctors, chiropractors.
1:22:28
SPEAKER_02: No one could figure it out.
1:22:29
SPEAKER_02: They're like, it's in your head, blah, blah, blah.
1:22:31
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well,
1:22:32
SPEAKER_02: fuck this because I'm not going to live my life not having access to this part
1:22:37
SPEAKER_02: of my body.
1:22:38
SPEAKER_02: So I get to Burning Man and I lay down.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_02: I'd been up all night driving through the night.
1:22:45
SPEAKER_02: Get ready, lay down.
1:22:46
SPEAKER_02: My husband goes out with his friends and I start connecting to sort of
1:22:52
SPEAKER_02: a meditative state and I do a lot of meditation.
1:22:54
SPEAKER_02: So this is not abnormal for me.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_02: And I can feel this energy moving through my body and I'm moving with it.
1:23:02
SPEAKER_02: Blah, blah, blah.
1:23:02
SPEAKER_02: This is going on for hours.
1:23:03
SPEAKER_02: And then I realized like, oh, shit, this is a little bit deeper than your standard meditation.
1:23:11
SPEAKER_02: And then I opened the door and then I see like, everything's rainbow and rainbow hazy.
1:23:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, fuck, I'm on drugs.
1:23:18
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know where I got dosed.
1:23:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't know who dosed me.
1:23:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't know where it's from.
1:23:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how much.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_02: I know it's a psychedelic.
1:23:24
SPEAKER_02: That's all I know.
1:23:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's mushrooms acid.
1:23:27
SPEAKER_02: Am I here for 12 hours?
1:23:29
SPEAKER_02: Are we, are we on the come up?
1:23:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't fucking know.
1:23:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't fucking know.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_02: So I get my husband and I'm like, you're going to need to adult for me.
1:23:43
SPEAKER_02: Just check in on me every hour, you know, and just, you know, make sure I'm still breathing.
1:23:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_02: The next morning I like, like wake up.
1:23:51
SPEAKER_02: It was mushrooms.
1:23:52
SPEAKER_00: We discovered, I did not discover it until
1:23:55
SPEAKER_02: six days later how it happened.
1:23:58
SPEAKER_02: But the next day that Condition was completely gone.
1:24:03
SPEAKER_02: I had my first orgasm in two years at Burning Man.
1:24:07
SPEAKER_02: Two fucking years.
1:24:08
SPEAKER_02: First time I slept with my husband since we had, since before we had the baby.
1:24:15
SPEAKER_02: I, can't explain what happened.
1:24:18
SPEAKER_02: I cannot explain what happened.
1:24:19
SPEAKER_02: How someone, someone hid their mushroom capsules in my vitamin container.
1:24:25
SPEAKER_02: So I accidentally had
1:24:26
SPEAKER_00: to take your butt back.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_00: That's fucked up.
1:24:33
SPEAKER_00: Catherine, because I think this is a good, Cisco, check this out.
1:24:37
SPEAKER_00: I think this is a good kind of connecting to synchronicities, right?
1:24:42
SPEAKER_00: You talk a lot about synchronicities,
1:24:44
SPEAKER_00: so many beautiful stories about Jung and the butterfly,
1:24:48
SPEAKER_00: and I never heard that story before.
1:24:50
SPEAKER_00: And I, you know,
1:24:52
SPEAKER_00: I learned recently,
1:24:53
SPEAKER_00: not from your video,
1:24:54
SPEAKER_00: but like right before I learned that The word synchronicity, Jung came up with it.
1:24:59
SPEAKER_00: I thought it was like a word that always existed.
1:25:02
SPEAKER_00: And it's like meaningful.
1:25:04
SPEAKER_00: It's not a coincidence.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_00: Coincidence is different.
1:25:06
SPEAKER_00: It's when you assign meaning to a coincidence or coincidence.
1:25:11
SPEAKER_00: That's what he calls synchronicity, right?
1:25:13
SPEAKER_00: And so like this whole thing with the vitamin, you thought it was vitamin, but it was mushrooms.
1:25:18
SPEAKER_00: And then boom, that's a synchronicity, right?
1:25:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, so tell us more about what your ideas about synchronicity.
1:25:24
SPEAKER_00: What do you think about him?
1:25:26
SPEAKER_02: Totally.
1:25:27
SPEAKER_02: I think that synchronicities are sort of the moving force in our lives.
1:25:33
SPEAKER_02: They happen all the time everywhere.
1:25:36
SPEAKER_02: We just need to pay attention to them.
1:25:38
SPEAKER_02: They're just these,
1:25:39
SPEAKER_02: they're like little sprinkles of magic to make us realize that we are not alone
1:25:45
SPEAKER_02: and this isn't all there is.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_02: There's so much more out there.
1:25:49
SPEAKER_02: There's something greater and more mysterious and more beautiful out there.
1:25:54
SPEAKER_02: I think when we lose that,
1:25:55
SPEAKER_02: we move into apathy, depression, and we get really hard and closed off.
1:26:02
SPEAKER_02: So I really feel like those little patterns, that is what makes life worth living.
1:26:08
SPEAKER_02: It's what adds magic to it.
1:26:10
SPEAKER_02: Because if you believe in magic, that means you can have whatever fucking life you have.
1:26:12
SPEAKER_02: You have control over the destination.
1:26:15
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, that...
1:26:19
SPEAKER_02: I haven't had an opportunity to really sit what happened at Burning Man
1:26:24
SPEAKER_02: because I've just been thrown back into motherhood.
1:26:27
SPEAKER_02: But something told my friend to put those mushroom pills there.
1:26:33
SPEAKER_02: I never take my vitamins.
1:26:34
SPEAKER_02: I just bring them around because I'm like, maybe I'll take them one night.
1:26:37
SPEAKER_02: I took them that night.
1:26:39
SPEAKER_02: Something nudged me to do that.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_02: I didn't look at them.
1:26:43
SPEAKER_02: Something nudged me to take Half of what I normally would.
1:26:46
SPEAKER_02: Otherwise I would have taken five, five grams.
1:26:48
SPEAKER_02: That would have not been fun.
1:26:51
SPEAKER_02: But something nudged me to take less,
1:26:55
SPEAKER_02: you know,
1:26:56
SPEAKER_02: and, because I didn't know, I was able to move a little bit deeper into it.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_02: So like all these things that just lined up and then the next day I'm totally cured
1:27:08
SPEAKER_02: of like a devastating situation.
1:27:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, It's like my, bless my husband.
1:27:14
SPEAKER_02: He's been such a fucking rock star through this.
1:27:17
SPEAKER_02: But I mean, it's hard on a marriage, you know?
1:27:21
SPEAKER_02: But yeah,
1:27:22
SPEAKER_02: so I'm like so grateful that all these,
1:27:24
SPEAKER_02: all these little things just put me there and I could receive it.
1:27:29
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the,
1:27:30
SPEAKER_02: your book is what you're talking about with surrender because that's
1:27:34
SPEAKER_02: the missing piece for a lot of folks.
1:27:36
SPEAKER_00: What book are you talking about?
1:27:38
SPEAKER_01: It's a book you're about to write.
1:27:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm
1:27:41
SPEAKER_00: about to write.
1:27:45
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
1:27:53
SPEAKER_00: Hey, Katherine, but the way you described it.
1:27:56
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_00: So synchronicity is a little dash of magic, Cisco.
1:28:01
SPEAKER_00: It's a little sprinkle of magic.
1:28:07
SPEAKER_02: And you just got to look out for them.
1:28:08
SPEAKER_02: They're everywhere all the time.
1:28:14
SPEAKER_00: Hey, Catherine, what about negative synchronicity, like weird ones?
1:28:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it doesn't always have to be a positive thing, right?
1:28:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
1:28:23
SPEAKER_02: Totally.
1:28:24
SPEAKER_02: There's both.
1:28:25
SPEAKER_02: There's both.
1:28:27
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're the one ascribing the negativity to it.
1:28:30
SPEAKER_02: Ultimately, synchronicities are meaningless.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_02: We're the ones who put a meaning to them.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_00: No, but let me tell you a story.
1:28:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to try to make it as short as possible,
1:28:42
SPEAKER_00: but I've been dying to get an expert opinion on this.
1:28:45
SPEAKER_00: I've really been holding this on for decades.
1:28:49
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to try to make this quick.
1:28:52
SPEAKER_00: So I was 26.
1:28:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:28:56
SPEAKER_00: So two time periods, 26 and 30.
1:28:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:28:59
SPEAKER_00: So when I was 30, I was dating this woman and Okay, so these are the two time periods.
1:29:06
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I'm like a little tipsy.
1:29:09
SPEAKER_00: So when I was 30, I was at my girlfriend's place.
1:29:12
SPEAKER_00: It was a Sunday afternoon.
1:29:13
SPEAKER_00: We got up and she was lying on my arm like this, right?
1:29:20
SPEAKER_00: And then it was in the morning.
1:29:22
SPEAKER_00: I had to go to the bathroom.
1:29:23
SPEAKER_00: So I was like trying to like nudge not to wake her up, right?
1:29:27
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, oh, man, what are you doing?
1:29:28
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I was just pulling a coyote ugly on you.
1:29:32
SPEAKER_00: You know what a coyote ugly is?
1:29:35
SPEAKER_00: No, you don't know what that is?
1:29:36
SPEAKER_00: Like where a woman is so ugly that you don't want to wake her up,
1:29:40
SPEAKER_00: so you bite off your arm like a coyote, right?
1:29:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
1:29:48
SPEAKER_00: But I was saying to her, hey, she was like, what are you doing?
1:29:52
SPEAKER_00: I was like, aha, I was joking, obviously.
1:29:54
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm pulling a coyote ugly on you.
1:29:57
SPEAKER_00: And then she got up and she's like, what's that?
1:30:00
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:30:00
SPEAKER_00: And so I had to explain the expression.
1:30:03
SPEAKER_00: I said, coyote ugly is when a woman is not attractive and you want to leave
1:30:08
SPEAKER_00: without waking her up, right?
1:30:10
SPEAKER_00: And she was like, really?
1:30:11
SPEAKER_00: Did that ever happen?
1:30:12
SPEAKER_00: And then somehow,
1:30:13
SPEAKER_00: because of that conversation,
1:30:14
SPEAKER_00: we talked about a one-night stand I had when I was 26, okay?
1:30:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm 30.
1:30:19
SPEAKER_00: When I was 26, I had one one-night stand in my life.
1:30:22
SPEAKER_00: I've never had any other one-night stands, right?
1:30:26
SPEAKER_00: And I had that one night stand and she was cute and everything, right?
1:30:29
SPEAKER_00: But like I did pull a coyote,
1:30:31
SPEAKER_00: she wasn't ugly,
1:30:32
SPEAKER_00: but I pulled a coyote ugly and I was telling her about this woman, okay?
1:30:38
SPEAKER_00: And this was when I was living in Chicago.
1:30:41
SPEAKER_00: When I'm 30, I'm living in New York, four years apart, right?
1:30:45
SPEAKER_00: And then, so we forgot about it.
1:30:47
SPEAKER_00: She laughed, she was like, aha, coyote, ugly, blah, blah, blah.
1:30:50
SPEAKER_00: And then we're supposed to meet some friends for dinner, okay?
1:30:54
SPEAKER_00: And so we go to some, it was at some hotel, we go to the dinner and it was the wrong hotel.
1:31:02
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't the right, correct.
1:31:04
SPEAKER_00: So she was like, okay, let me go to the bathroom and then we'll go to the right location.
1:31:09
SPEAKER_00: While I'm waiting for in the bathroom,
1:31:11
SPEAKER_00: that Toyote one night stand girl tapped me on the shoulder and said,
1:31:17
SPEAKER_00: do you remember me?
1:31:19
SPEAKER_00: And I said, oh, no, sorry, I don't.
1:31:21
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, in Chicago, you left your jacket and you came back.
1:31:25
SPEAKER_00: It was the coyote, ugly girl, even though she's not, you know, but it was that.
1:31:30
SPEAKER_00: And I never forgot that, Catherine.
1:31:33
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like that was a synchronicity kind of thing,
1:31:36
SPEAKER_00: but I didn't know what,
1:31:37
SPEAKER_00: I felt like it was meaningful, but I didn't know what meaning to assign it.
1:31:41
SPEAKER_00: So you have like these synchronicity,
1:31:43
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's a synchronicity then,
1:31:45
SPEAKER_00: because,
1:31:45
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:31:46
SPEAKER_00: it's a mean,
1:31:47
SPEAKER_00: You know,
1:31:48
SPEAKER_00: it was meaningful from a feeling standpoint, but I didn't know what that means.
1:31:54
SPEAKER_00: And I just always remember that as like, oh my gosh, you know what it is?
1:31:58
SPEAKER_00: Why it's so memorable?
1:31:59
SPEAKER_00: Because it had that magical feeling like that should never, ever happen.
1:32:04
SPEAKER_00: Probability.
1:32:05
SPEAKER_02: Can it just be that?
1:32:07
SPEAKER_02: Can it just be that you just hold that magic for the rest of your life now?
1:32:11
SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
1:32:12
SPEAKER_02: That's the meaning for you.
1:32:13
SPEAKER_00: I am free guys.
1:32:14
SPEAKER_00: That's all I needed.
1:32:17
SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
1:32:19
SPEAKER_00: It's just a magic.
1:32:20
SPEAKER_00: You don't need to have some grand meaning to it.
1:32:25
SPEAKER_02: You're welcome to go there if you want.
1:32:29
SPEAKER_02: You can definitely get into the depths of it, but it can just be a magical moment.
1:32:33
SPEAKER_02: Isn't that crazy though?
1:32:34
SPEAKER_02: Isn't that crazy?
1:32:35
SPEAKER_00: And you were in New York?
1:32:37
SPEAKER_02: Wait, did she still have her jacket?
1:32:40
SPEAKER_00: I never went back for the jacket.
1:32:43
SPEAKER_00: She probably still has my jacket.
1:32:46
SPEAKER_00: She probably still has it.
1:32:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Cisco.
1:32:51
SPEAKER_00: Wait, where in Chicago were you?
1:32:53
SPEAKER_00: I was like right in, I lived downtown.
1:32:56
SPEAKER_02: I lived in the Loop.
1:32:58
SPEAKER_00: Me too.
1:32:59
SPEAKER_00: I lived in the Loop.
1:33:00
SPEAKER_00: When?
1:33:00
SPEAKER_00: What year?
1:33:00
SPEAKER_00: Let me think.
1:33:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay, hold on.
1:33:01
SPEAKER_00: 2012.
1:33:04
SPEAKER_02: 2016, 17, and 18, and 19.
1:33:07
SPEAKER_02: No, no.
1:33:08
SPEAKER_00: For me, it was even before.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_00: I think I was like 20, 2009 or 10.
1:33:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
1:33:14
SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_00: Hey, Catherine, do you have to go or can we do a quick tea leaf reading?
1:33:20
SPEAKER_00: Or I was really looking forward to that, but if you have to go.
1:33:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's do it.
1:33:24
SPEAKER_00: Let's do it as our final thing, guys.
1:33:27
SPEAKER_00: It's been amazing.
1:33:30
SPEAKER_00: Sisko, how are you feeling while she gets the tea leaves prepared?
1:33:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh-oh, she's...
1:33:34
SPEAKER_00: Feeling good, man.
1:33:38
SPEAKER_01: You feeling good about your life, bro?
1:33:39
SPEAKER_01: You feeling better?
1:33:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
1:33:42
SPEAKER_00: Bro, you're gonna get there, bro.
1:33:43
SPEAKER_00: You're gonna get there, bro.
1:33:45
SPEAKER_01: I think, you know, you just gotta control your thoughts.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_01: You gotta really be intentional.
1:33:51
SPEAKER_01: And don't let it be unconscious forever.
1:33:54
SPEAKER_01: Once you realize your unconscious was running shit, you gotta be like, alright.
1:33:58
SPEAKER_01: You just overwrite it.
1:34:00
SPEAKER_01: It's like saving a file.
1:34:01
SPEAKER_01: You just overwrite that previous.
1:34:06
SPEAKER_00: She said, nobody knows what the fuck they're doing.
1:34:09
SPEAKER_00: So just fucking do your shit, bro.
1:34:13
SPEAKER_00: Nobody knows what the fuck they're doing.
1:34:16
SPEAKER_00: I gotta make a video about that, dude.
1:34:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, literally nobody knows.
1:34:18
SPEAKER_00: Really.
1:34:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, nobody knows what they're doing, bro.
1:34:21
SPEAKER_00: So you just gotta do whatever the fuck you want to.
1:34:23
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:34:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:34:28
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
1:34:29
SPEAKER_02: So...
1:34:30
SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to keep this fairly light because we're in public, okay?
1:34:35
SPEAKER_02: You won't go into the depths.
1:34:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh, shit.
1:34:38
SPEAKER_02: Let's go to the depths.
1:34:43
SPEAKER_02: So first of all, there is a woman here.
1:34:47
SPEAKER_02: She's not in your life yet.
1:34:50
SPEAKER_00: There's a reason why.
1:34:51
SPEAKER_00: Who's this for, Vibe or Cisco?
1:34:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:34:56
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:34:57
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:34:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:34:58
SPEAKER_00: A woman in my life.
1:34:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:35:00
SPEAKER_00: Keep going.
1:35:00
SPEAKER_02: She's, she's not there yet.
1:35:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, you're looking for partnership right now.
1:35:06
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:35:06
SPEAKER_02: You're open for part.
1:35:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:35:10
SPEAKER_02: So there's a part of you that's not ready though.
1:35:14
SPEAKER_02: There's a part of you that I still
1:35:15
SPEAKER_00: want to be single.
1:35:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:35:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:35:27
SPEAKER_02: And she's like in the orbit.
1:35:30
SPEAKER_02: You haven't met her.
1:35:30
SPEAKER_02: She's around.
1:35:31
SPEAKER_02: But you think that being in partnership with a person means you're going
1:35:37
SPEAKER_02: to be locked down and that someone's not going to get you the way
1:35:42
SPEAKER_02: that you get yourself.
1:35:43
SPEAKER_02: You feel like this is somehow going to drag you down a little bit.
1:35:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, and you have, I'm gonna, I'm gonna call a spade a spade.
1:35:52
SPEAKER_02: You have some old ass outdated ideas of what it means to be in partnership.
1:35:59
SPEAKER_02: You've got to refresh those.
1:36:02
SPEAKER_02: Because you can create partnership to look whatever,
1:36:05
SPEAKER_02: whatever, like literally, whatever you want.
1:36:09
SPEAKER_02: You can walk your partner on a leash down New York City now like you can do whatever you want.
1:36:16
SPEAKER_02: The options are limitless.
1:36:21
SPEAKER_02: Polyamorous life, you don't have to live together.
1:36:25
SPEAKER_02: Like the options are limitless.
1:36:27
SPEAKER_02: So I think there's just,
1:36:28
SPEAKER_02: there's a part of your mind that thinks that it is supposed to look a different,
1:36:34
SPEAKER_02: like a certain way.
1:36:35
SPEAKER_02: And that's going to be a little bit confining.
1:36:38
SPEAKER_02: Once you release that, this person's going to zoom in real quickly.
1:36:41
SPEAKER_02: And it's going to feel really good.
1:36:42
SPEAKER_02: And I don't feel like you want to get married.
1:36:44
SPEAKER_02: I think you want, like, just like an awesome partnership.
1:36:49
SPEAKER_02: And this feels like she's an absolute fucking nerd.
1:36:52
SPEAKER_02: But in something else.
1:36:54
SPEAKER_02: And she's going to be a little bit smarter than you.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_00: You're going to love that.
1:37:02
SPEAKER_00: It's going to challenge you a little
1:37:04
SPEAKER_02: bit at the beginning.
1:37:06
SPEAKER_02: But you will love it.
1:37:08
SPEAKER_02: There's like this really interesting dynamic,
1:37:10
SPEAKER_02: like a tit for tat kind of dynamic where you guys are always just kind
1:37:14
SPEAKER_02: of like your intelligence is just
1:37:20
SPEAKER_00: like way, way out there.
1:37:22
SPEAKER_00: So both of
1:37:23
SPEAKER_02: you are just,
1:37:24
SPEAKER_02: both of you guys is just going to like really go back and forth with that.
1:37:27
SPEAKER_00: It looks like great sex right there.
1:37:30
SPEAKER_02: It's going to be weird.
1:37:31
SPEAKER_00: It's going to be like brat style.
1:37:40
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:37:42
SPEAKER_02: And then, what is this one about?
1:37:45
SPEAKER_02: This one's really interesting.
1:37:47
SPEAKER_02: All right, all right, tell me.
1:37:48
SPEAKER_02: Okay, you can take a look at the cup.
1:37:51
SPEAKER_02: So you'll see there's a tiny little spaceship in there.
1:37:58
SPEAKER_02: Aliens are not my thing.
1:38:00
SPEAKER_02: I don't go down that path.
1:38:02
SPEAKER_02: But I don't know if you've ever thought about talking about aliens.
1:38:06
SPEAKER_02: I feel like you're...
1:38:08
SPEAKER_02: If you ever decide to talk about aliens, just your thoughts on them.
1:38:13
SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's going to be insanely popular.
1:38:16
SPEAKER_02: People are going to really eat that up.
1:38:19
SPEAKER_00: I would love to talk about more aliens.
1:38:23
SPEAKER_02: What are your thoughts?
1:38:26
SPEAKER_02: That has some meat to it, especially for your audience.
1:38:29
SPEAKER_02: I think they're really curious to know particularly what you have to say about it.
1:38:36
SPEAKER_02: And it's going to be, it's going to make you viral in a really weird way.
1:38:41
SPEAKER_02: Like, you're going to be asked,
1:38:44
SPEAKER_02: you're going to have more opportunities if you get in the alien space.
1:38:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay, we'll just lay it out.
1:38:49
SPEAKER_02: If you get a little bit in the alien space, you'll have more opportunities.
1:38:54
SPEAKER_00: I've already done one that went really well.
1:38:58
SPEAKER_00: Catherine, I did one alien.
1:39:00
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't even alien.
1:39:01
SPEAKER_00: The title was Alien Drops Bars in 1980.
1:39:05
SPEAKER_00: And it was about like the Monroe Institute.
1:39:08
SPEAKER_00: And it was about remote viewing.
1:39:10
SPEAKER_00: There's a woman who was ROMC and she was a remote viewer.
1:39:13
SPEAKER_00: And I did this video.
1:39:15
SPEAKER_00: And Joe Rogan, the podcaster, right?
1:39:18
SPEAKER_00: Like he messaged me and started following me because of that video.
1:39:22
SPEAKER_00: And you know, he's into aliens.
1:39:24
SPEAKER_00: And you know, like I have thoughts about aliens.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_00: I haven't been like into aliens, but I have some opinions about aliens.
1:39:32
SPEAKER_00: And that would be amazing.
1:39:32
SPEAKER_00: I think you need to hear your thoughts.
1:39:34
SPEAKER_02: Because you have a more grounded, you're not like aliens, you know, like you're like aliens.
1:39:41
SPEAKER_00: You have a more like grounded sort of thing.
1:39:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:39:46
SPEAKER_00: I got so many thoughts already.
1:39:48
SPEAKER_00: I can't wait to work on alien videos.
1:39:51
SPEAKER_00: Wow, amazing.
1:39:53
SPEAKER_02: That's so fun.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_02: What else is in here?
1:39:58
SPEAKER_02: You need a vacation.
1:40:00
SPEAKER_02: You've got to take a break.
1:40:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, you're so good, Cisco.
1:40:07
SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
1:40:07
SPEAKER_02: Definitely go to the ocean, somewhere with water, and just check out for a bit.
1:40:14
SPEAKER_02: Maybe take a week off five sesh.
1:40:17
SPEAKER_02: You need a break.
1:40:18
SPEAKER_02: I think I need
1:40:19
SPEAKER_00: a break.
1:40:20
SPEAKER_00: I was thinking that recently.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you need a break.
1:40:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:40:25
SPEAKER_02: You got to recharge.
1:40:27
SPEAKER_02: And this is also why it feels like,
1:40:30
SPEAKER_02: because it's going to feel like your things are going to slow down.
1:40:33
SPEAKER_02: That's happening intentionally because you need to go recharge so that
1:40:37
SPEAKER_02: when you come back, it's going to blaze up again.
1:40:43
SPEAKER_02: So take, take that time for yourself.
1:40:45
SPEAKER_02: Go somewhere like stupid,
1:40:46
SPEAKER_02: like Bora Bora,
1:40:47
SPEAKER_02: somewhere with an ocean,
1:40:50
SPEAKER_02: warm water and like beers on a beach, like that kind of vibe.
1:40:54
SPEAKER_02: Damn.
1:40:54
SPEAKER_02: Not with a ton of friends.
1:40:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to do phones at all, man.
1:40:57
SPEAKER_00: No phone.
1:40:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to.
1:40:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:40:59
SPEAKER_02: Like just,
1:41:01
SPEAKER_02: even if you could go solo,
1:41:03
SPEAKER_02: I know like that feels weird for some people or just like one friend, but.
1:41:06
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm good.
1:41:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm solo.
1:41:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm going to go solo.
1:41:10
SPEAKER_02: That's going to be all good for you.
1:41:12
SPEAKER_02: And then, so,
1:41:16
SPEAKER_02: you'll notice when you've got a lot of lines up here,
1:41:20
SPEAKER_02: this gives kind of this feeling of outer space, the stratosphere.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_02: This always gives me the feeling of, like, the sky is literally the fucking limit for you.
1:41:28
SPEAKER_02: Like, you've broken the ceiling already.
1:41:31
SPEAKER_02: There's no more work you need to do.
1:41:35
SPEAKER_02: You're now in the part of life where you get to enjoy the fruits of your labor
1:41:38
SPEAKER_02: and create whatever the fuck you want.
1:41:40
SPEAKER_02: This part is...
1:41:42
SPEAKER_02: It can be really ungrounding.
1:41:44
SPEAKER_02: It can be really ungrounding.
1:41:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:41:52
SPEAKER_02: So like ease into it.
1:41:54
SPEAKER_02: Don't get lost because people can get lost in the sauce with this really easily.
1:41:59
SPEAKER_02: Like drugs and weird sex and like,
1:42:02
SPEAKER_02: don't, don't go, don't get too, don't go too hard, you know, gentle.
1:42:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, but that's like anything.
1:42:12
SPEAKER_02: You want anything you dream will be coming forward.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_02: So intention is really important now because if you start trying to create something
1:42:23
SPEAKER_02: that isn't really something you're very interested, it will come and you can say no.
1:42:28
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, you're like very magical right now, as I'm sure you've recognized.
1:42:33
SPEAKER_02: And is there anything else in here?
1:42:39
SPEAKER_00: I think, yeah, I think that's, I think that's pretty good.
1:42:42
SPEAKER_02: Do one for Cisco.
1:42:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like what else?
1:42:45
SPEAKER_00: What else is there?
1:42:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's pretty good.
1:42:49
SPEAKER_00: Can we do a quick one for Cisco?
1:42:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm curious.
1:42:52
SPEAKER_00: Can you pour the tea and do one for Cisco?
1:42:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, someone just asked me where I camped at Burning Man.
1:42:58
SPEAKER_02: I camped at Entheos.
1:43:00
SPEAKER_02: If you know me, that's so weird.
1:43:02
SPEAKER_02: That would be weird.
1:43:03
All right.
1:43:07
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:43:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm nervous.
1:43:11
SPEAKER_00: Hey, Cisco, while she's doing the tea thing, bro, she was super accurate.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_01: And I think you needed that, like, validation of your own ideas back to yourself, you know?
1:43:26
SPEAKER_01: So hopefully she helped you, uh,
1:43:28
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
1:43:29
SPEAKER_00: But there's some new stuff.
1:43:31
SPEAKER_00: Like, literally, like,
1:43:33
SPEAKER_00: about the relationship, I'm like, in my mind, I still have old-fashioned ideas.
1:43:37
SPEAKER_00: In my mind,
1:43:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking,
1:43:39
SPEAKER_00: if I get into a serious relationship, I gotta fucking do the traditional shit.
1:43:44
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I gotta spend time.
1:43:46
SPEAKER_00: And then she just gave me permission and said, hey, there's different ways to do it.
1:43:50
SPEAKER_00: There are women.
1:43:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:43:54
SPEAKER_02: This person is not traditional at all.
1:43:56
SPEAKER_02: She's very...
1:43:58
SPEAKER_02: Alternative.
1:43:59
SPEAKER_02: So that's who she is.
1:44:04
SPEAKER_02: So she's going to want that of you as well.
1:44:07
SPEAKER_02: You guys will come to a really beautiful agreement.
1:44:10
SPEAKER_02: My husband and I are open.
1:44:11
SPEAKER_02: I fucking love the shit out of my husband.
1:44:13
SPEAKER_02: And if he wants to go make out with a girl, have fun.
1:44:16
SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
1:44:17
SPEAKER_02: I love my husband.
1:44:18
SPEAKER_02: We have a beautiful relationship with a baby.
1:44:21
SPEAKER_02: We have a relationship that works for us.
1:44:24
SPEAKER_02: It's what works.
1:44:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:44:28
SPEAKER_02: But you can do whatever you want.
1:44:29
SPEAKER_02: That's right, and where am I caring?
1:44:31
SPEAKER_02: I should do whatever the fuck I want, bro.
1:44:33
SPEAKER_02: Whatever the fuck you want.
1:44:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:44:36
SPEAKER_02: You can have your cake and you can eat it.
1:44:40
SPEAKER_02: All of it.
1:44:42
SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
1:44:43
SPEAKER_00: I think this is the best five such ever, Cisco.
1:44:45
SPEAKER_00: What are you taking?
1:44:47
SPEAKER_00: It's always the best part.
1:44:49
SPEAKER_00: We just keep hitting new and new and new ceilings.
1:44:52
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying, Catherine?
1:44:54
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Catherine.
1:44:56
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
1:44:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's an honor.
1:44:59
SPEAKER_02: It's an honor.
1:45:00
SPEAKER_02: All right, Cisco, you're nervous.
1:45:03
SPEAKER_02: You tell me why you think I'm going to find something bad.
1:45:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess my brain naturally goes to something negative.
1:45:13
SPEAKER_01: I can see that.
1:45:17
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to show you a cup.
1:45:19
SPEAKER_02: So you see how there's like a kind of condensed, kind of condensed space.
1:45:23
SPEAKER_02: It just means there's, there's just like, there's a lot of, um, yeah.
1:45:29
SPEAKER_02: Like what you said,
1:45:30
SPEAKER_02: your brain is a little bit more tendency to not be pessimistic,
1:45:36
SPEAKER_02: but to see that you're going to be more steer to see darkness instead of lightness.
1:45:42
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
1:45:45
SPEAKER_02: That's normal.
1:45:46
SPEAKER_02: That's most people.
1:45:48
SPEAKER_02: You're on the path of moving out of that.
1:45:50
SPEAKER_02: So it's nothing to be worried about.
1:45:52
SPEAKER_02: Like you've recognized that and you're wrangling it in.
1:45:55
SPEAKER_00: So you kind of, I'm going to show that.
1:45:57
SPEAKER_02: So you kind of see there's like a ring around the right here.
1:46:01
SPEAKER_02: That just shows me that you're like wrangling in your brain right now.
1:46:04
SPEAKER_02: Whatever you're doing is working.
1:46:05
SPEAKER_02: It's effective.
1:46:06
SPEAKER_02: Keep going.
1:46:06
SPEAKER_02: Don't change a thing.
1:46:07
SPEAKER_02: Like you're following what works for you.
1:46:10
SPEAKER_02: Keep going.
1:46:12
SPEAKER_02: You're going to start teaching this and your audience is really unique
1:46:17
SPEAKER_02: because you're going to use a language that you're particularly going
1:46:23
SPEAKER_02: to be teaching men who understand your logical framework
1:46:27
SPEAKER_02: because they will never resonate with what the fuck I have to say.
1:46:30
SPEAKER_00: My stuff is so woo-woo.
1:46:32
SPEAKER_02: It's like very feminine and like I resonate for a very specific kind of crowd
1:46:38
SPEAKER_02: but you're going to be particularly I think with like Crypto,
1:46:44
SPEAKER_02: computer, tech, that kind of crowd, men, they're looking for answers.
1:46:53
SPEAKER_02: And there are no answers right now.
1:46:58
SPEAKER_02: Because what are you going to do?
1:46:58
SPEAKER_02: Read the fucking Bible?
1:47:00
SPEAKER_02: Where do you go for truth?
1:47:03
SPEAKER_02: You're creating your own truth.
1:47:04
SPEAKER_02: So this process where you're feeling like you're pulling in,
1:47:08
SPEAKER_02: this is your process of creating truth.
1:47:11
SPEAKER_02: This is the work.
1:47:12
SPEAKER_02: The body of work is being created right now that you're going to be putting out.
1:47:15
SPEAKER_02: So do not discount what's happening right now.
1:47:17
SPEAKER_02: This is an important part of the alchemy phase.
1:47:20
SPEAKER_02: This is where the fire meets the earth, meets the water.
1:47:24
SPEAKER_02: You're creating the sorcerer's stone, if you will, right now.
1:47:29
SPEAKER_02: That's going to be shared later.
1:47:33
SPEAKER_02: It's funny because if you notice how this fans out,
1:47:39
SPEAKER_02: And this point right here that that gives me the idea of like a massive stadium
1:47:44
SPEAKER_02: and it's just you on the stage.
1:47:46
SPEAKER_02: You're wearing like a black sweater and like.
1:47:50
SPEAKER_02: Beige pants and it's just you on the stage and just the sea of faces around you.
1:47:56
SPEAKER_02: They're all come to hear what you particularly have to say.
1:48:00
SPEAKER_02: Now, this can be more an actual event or it could be more symbolic in that nature.
1:48:05
SPEAKER_02: But what it's showing is that this is where you're heading.
1:48:10
SPEAKER_02: Hold that image and recognize that this is the part where you're just creating that message.
1:48:18
SPEAKER_00: Love life.
1:48:26
SPEAKER_02: There's someone, she's very sweet and soft, very sweet, a little bit shy.
1:48:34
SPEAKER_02: And
1:48:38
SPEAKER_02: this is going to be like a beautiful kind of relationship that I feel
1:48:42
SPEAKER_02: that she's coming, like
1:48:43
SPEAKER_00: kind of like curlier
1:48:44
SPEAKER_02: hair.
1:48:46
SPEAKER_02: But I can kind of see, she's just kind of like looking off.
1:48:51
SPEAKER_02: You're going to have to be the one who approaches her.
1:48:53
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
1:48:55
SPEAKER_02: 100%, you are going to be the one who walks forward.
1:48:58
SPEAKER_02: This is not coming to you.
1:49:00
SPEAKER_02: You're going to have to really, really claim it.
1:49:06
SPEAKER_00: You've got to do the approach, bro.
1:49:08
SPEAKER_00: You've got to do the approach.
1:49:10
SPEAKER_02: You've got to do the approach.
1:49:13
SPEAKER_02: At first, she's going to be like, just be pumped.
1:49:16
SPEAKER_02: Own the confidence.
1:49:21
SPEAKER_02: Offer the containment.
1:49:23
SPEAKER_02: You're going to offer her a lot of safety.
1:49:24
SPEAKER_02: This is the relationship in general.
1:49:27
SPEAKER_02: She's going to learn a lot of safety with men with you.
1:49:30
SPEAKER_02: This is going to be deeply healing for both of you.
1:49:32
SPEAKER_02: So this will feel like a bit of a karmic relationship, but it will be very good.
1:49:38
SPEAKER_02: It will be good for both of you.
1:49:40
SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
1:49:43
SPEAKER_01: Google it.
1:49:44
SPEAKER_01: Just Google it later.
1:49:46
SPEAKER_02: It just means that it can be...
1:49:51
SPEAKER_01: Lesson will be learned.
1:49:53
SPEAKER_02: Lessons shall be learned.
1:49:55
SPEAKER_02: Lessons shall be learned.
1:49:57
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:49:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I, the center image is the image of the family tree.
1:50:05
SPEAKER_02: The branches go out everywhere.
1:50:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm guessing that you're very close to your extended family as well.
1:50:09
SPEAKER_02: Like, like aunts cousins, like everyone's kind of involved.
1:50:14
SPEAKER_02: Um, and, uh, This is a very strong family.
1:50:21
SPEAKER_02: I normally will go into families and see like fractures upon fractures of all
1:50:26
SPEAKER_02: the fucking trauma and this person's an alcoholic.
1:50:29
SPEAKER_02: You have quite a strong core.
1:50:32
SPEAKER_02: Your family has done a lot of work in previous generations, which is admirable.
1:50:38
SPEAKER_02: And this will be there for you your whole life.
1:50:42
SPEAKER_02: So that is insanely solid.
1:50:45
SPEAKER_02: Like that ground will hold you throughout the rest of your life.
1:50:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, and honor that and nurture that.
1:50:51
SPEAKER_02: I never tell people that I'm usually telling people like cut your fucking family,
1:50:55
SPEAKER_02: like get them out.
1:50:56
SPEAKER_02: But your family, you're like, the roots are very, very strong.
1:51:01
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then what's this here?
1:51:09
SPEAKER_02: One more tiny thing.
1:51:11
SPEAKER_02: Are you,
1:51:12
SPEAKER_02: are you going to,
1:51:13
SPEAKER_02: are you taking some kind of education course or like in a course, an online course?
1:51:19
SPEAKER_02: Or thinking about one?
1:51:22
SPEAKER_01: No.
1:51:23
SPEAKER_01: I think I was kind of doing one a few months ago, but it was like some AI thing.
1:51:28
SPEAKER_01: You did an AI thing?
1:51:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:51:30
SPEAKER_02: There's something interesting in terms of a course for you.
1:51:36
SPEAKER_02: What is this?
1:51:36
SPEAKER_02: It feels techy.
1:51:42
SPEAKER_02: It's got to set you up.
1:51:46
SPEAKER_02: You might not understand why it's relevant to you right now,
1:51:48
SPEAKER_02: but you'll feel a natural drawn curiosity and you'll be like,
1:51:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why I need this, but you'll feel that curiosity.
1:51:54
SPEAKER_02: It's for later.
1:51:55
SPEAKER_02: It's for later on in life.
1:51:58
SPEAKER_02: But there is a nudge to, to like take that.
1:52:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:52:01
SPEAKER_02: That information is going to be valid later on.
1:52:04
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:52:04
SPEAKER_01: I'll, I'll look out for the nudge.
1:52:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:52:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:52:08
SPEAKER_02: Look for the nudge.
1:52:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:52:10
SPEAKER_02: Thank you guys so much.
1:52:11
SPEAKER_02: It was so fun.
1:52:13
SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
1:52:14
SPEAKER_00: My mind is blown.
1:52:15
SPEAKER_00: My mind is so blown, Catherine.
1:52:17
SPEAKER_00: That was from fucking tea leaves, bro.
1:52:19
SPEAKER_00: Is that tea leaves stuff?
1:52:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
1:52:21
SPEAKER_00: That was such a great demonstration.
1:52:23
SPEAKER_00: Just the leaves.
1:52:25
SPEAKER_00: Catherine, so amazing to meet you.
1:52:28
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for showing up and spending all this time and reading our leaves.
1:52:32
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, guys.
1:52:33
SPEAKER_00: You have literally shifted something in me.
1:52:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh,
1:52:39
SPEAKER_02: it's such an honor.
1:52:40
SPEAKER_02: You guys shifted something in me because I'm like,
1:52:43
SPEAKER_02: Getting ready to use my own voice and go out there in the world.
1:52:47
SPEAKER_02: So thank you, you guys.
1:52:48
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
1:52:49
SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
1:52:50
SPEAKER_00: Cisco, you want to close this off?
1:52:52
SPEAKER_00: Say goodbye to everybody.
1:52:55
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
1:52:56
SPEAKER_01: Thank you all for joining Vibe Sesh 30 tonight.
1:53:01
SPEAKER_01: Catherine Grace, it was a pleasure speaking with you.
1:53:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm grateful to, well, yeah,
1:53:06
SPEAKER_01: just the ending,
1:53:08
SPEAKER_01: like you just hitting everything and just the wisdom you had to share.
1:53:10
SPEAKER_01: And I'm grateful you're, um,
1:53:14
SPEAKER_01: You know,
1:53:14
SPEAKER_01: you're willing to share what was so secretive for generations and you're loud
1:53:19
SPEAKER_01: and proud about it.
1:53:21
SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot more people need that confidence if they are going through something similar.
1:53:28
SPEAKER_01: And I think you should do a lot more lives.
1:53:30
SPEAKER_01: Like this was great.
1:53:32
SPEAKER_01: Just going through your reels.
1:53:33
SPEAKER_01: I would have never seen, you know, this side of you.
1:53:37
SPEAKER_01: So I think you should pop up some lives and just shoot the shit with people.
1:53:40
SPEAKER_02: Now that I know how to do it.
1:53:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:53:43
SPEAKER_01: I think it'll be great.
1:53:45
SPEAKER_01: And it'll give you a lot of ideas too, to share.
1:53:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think a Burning Man videos would probably be great.
1:53:50
SPEAKER_01: You could probably connect with more people that went to that and grow your little network.
1:53:54
SPEAKER_02: No, you're so right.
1:53:55
SPEAKER_02: That's my next goal is to like create community.
1:53:57
SPEAKER_02: Cause yeah, I feel a little isolated.
1:54:00
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, no, thank you.
1:54:01
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for that reflection.
1:54:04
SPEAKER_00: All right, guys.
1:54:05
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, everybody.
1:54:06
SPEAKER_00: And we'll see you next time.
1:54:08
SPEAKER_00: Bye, Catherine.
1:54:09
SPEAKER_00: Peace out.
1:54:10
SPEAKER_00: Good night.
1:54:11
SPEAKER_00: Good night.