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'Loving' Mom REVENGE-MURDERS 2 DAUGHTERS B/C HUBBBY LEAVES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Did a mom murder both of her girls as part
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Speaker 2: of a revenge plot against her husband? Could that be?
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Speaker 2: Or are we horribly mistaken? I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 2: Fox Nation and series X one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 2: let's start as I start so many actual prosecutions in
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Speaker 2: court with the nine to one one call. Listen.
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Speaker 3: Sharon Castro, fifteen, can be heard struggling to breathe in
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Speaker 3: the nine one one call. She tells the dispatcher her
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Speaker 3: mother shot her in the chest. The team keeps repeating
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Speaker 3: I don't want to die. Please help me, The dispatcher
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Speaker 3: promises the girl help is on the way. Kasho can
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Speaker 3: then be heard telling the dispatcher her five year old
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Speaker 3: sister is also in the apartment. The nine one one
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Speaker 3: operator urges the team to keep breathing and stay with me,
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Speaker 3: as firefighters are heard breaking down the door and a
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Speaker 3: police officer enters the apartment announcing himself two.
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Speaker 2: Girls dead, and in that nine to one one call
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Speaker 2: you can hear his officers break down the door trying
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Speaker 2: to save the girls. Again. I'm Nancy Grace, and this
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Speaker 2: is crime stories. Thanks for being with us, But could
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Speaker 2: a mother actually murder both of her children as some
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Speaker 2: sort of revenge? This is what we know. Take a
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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at NBC four.
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Speaker 4: Young Blood was arrested after calling her ex husband and
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Speaker 4: leaving him a voicemail confessing and telling him she hated him.
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Speaker 4: Two days later, five year old Brooklyn was supposed to
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Speaker 4: move to live.
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Speaker 2: With her father.
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Speaker 4: Prosecutors say young Blood killed the girls to prevent that. However,
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Speaker 4: the defense paints the father as abusive and can controlling,
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Speaker 4: partially why. The defense claims young Blood was driven into
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Speaker 4: major depressive disorder, the defense drawing attention to this moment
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Speaker 4: in the police interview.
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Speaker 5: So your punishment should be what sure? Thank you dead penalty?
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Speaker 4: Young Blood seems to invite the death penalty, which Virginia
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Speaker 4: has since abolished.
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Speaker 2: With me it all Star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first I want to
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Speaker 2: go out to senior editor for the Daily Wire at
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Speaker 2: Daily wire dot com ash short as, thank you for.
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Speaker 5: Being with us, Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 2: Explain to me exactly how the children were killed.
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Speaker 5: Oh well, it was a completely tragic story, as she
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Speaker 5: shot her daughters so she shot her daughter, Brooklyn, who
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Speaker 5: was just five years old, in the head, and she
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Speaker 5: shot Sharon, who we heard on the nine one one call,
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Speaker 5: who was fifteen years old, in her chest and.
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Speaker 2: Her back with me is high profile lawyer joining us
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Speaker 2: out of Tampa, Steve uda Gowa. Steve, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. And Steve has tried so many cases,
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Speaker 2: but he was a major force in the prosecution of
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Speaker 2: Julie Schineker, a highly educated mom of two angry at
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Speaker 2: her husband because he was gone all the time. She
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Speaker 2: had given up her career in the military after climbing
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Speaker 2: up with the ranks, clawing her way to the top
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Speaker 2: to be with the children so he could continue in
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Speaker 2: his military career, which he did and ultimately ends up
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Speaker 2: shooting both of the children. Steve uda Gowa, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us. Question to you, I think it's
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Speaker 2: very difficult for jurors, who probably relate to their own mothers,
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Speaker 2: who were very likely loving and nurturing, self sacrificing, would
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Speaker 2: always put their children before themselves. I think it's very
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Speaker 2: hard for jurors and even cops to accept a mother
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Speaker 2: could murder her two girls.
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Speaker 6: I think it's very hard for anyone, not even a parent,
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Speaker 6: to understand why a parent would kill their children. So
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Speaker 6: I think that was miss Scheneker's.
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Speaker 7: Avenue towards arguing that she must have been insane, so
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Speaker 7: therefore that's why she was not guilty of the crime.
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Speaker 7: Is that it's unfathomable for a parent to think that
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Speaker 7: you could kill your children unless you're crazy.
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Speaker 2: Stevens. I recall you had many women on the jury,
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Speaker 2: and they were of an age to where they could
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Speaker 2: be moms. I'm just wondering how that plays into their
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Speaker 2: jury deliberations. Because people think of their own mother, they
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Speaker 2: think of how they love their own children, if they
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Speaker 2: are mothers. That makes it even more difficult to believe
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Speaker 2: a mom would martyr her child. And in that case,
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Speaker 2: Steve u Gawa, isn't it true Julie Shinaker shot her
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Speaker 2: teen girl who made all A's who was sitting at
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Speaker 2: her computer, shot her in the mouth because she said
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Speaker 2: her daughter was getting quote mouthy, her words, not mine.
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Speaker 7: That's correct. That's how I recall the evidence coming out
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Speaker 7: is that the daughter was at her computer with her
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Speaker 7: back to the door, and that Miss Scheneaker came up
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Speaker 7: from behind her and shot her in the head and
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Speaker 7: then put the gun in her mouth and shot her
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Speaker 7: in the mouth.
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Speaker 2: I got the breakdown for you. It's seven women, nine men,
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Speaker 2: and half of the Jerrars had children. So my thought
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Speaker 2: on that, Karen Stark joining me, renowned psychologists joining us
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Speaker 2: out of Manhattan at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with
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Speaker 2: a seat. Karen, we project, even as gurrs, when we
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Speaker 2: swear we're going to be completely fair, completely rational, completely unbiased,
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Speaker 2: you can't help who you are. So when you hear
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Speaker 2: facts and evidence and then you go back to the
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Speaker 2: jury deliberation room, I could hear I could imagine you're saying, well,
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Speaker 2: I just can't believe a mother would kill their child.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know they put up X, Y and
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Speaker 2: z's evidence, but I just don't believe it.
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Speaker 8: But there's no doubt, Nancy. I mean, think about us.
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Speaker 8: It's really hard for us to comprehend. How could any mother,
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Speaker 8: any parents, kill a child when that's your job is
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Speaker 8: to protect your children. That's what it feels like. But
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Speaker 8: these are people that don't have a conscience. Anyone who
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Speaker 8: commits philicide, which is killing your children, has no conscience
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Speaker 8: and they don't see their children as children. Their children
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Speaker 8: can be ants that they could just step on. They
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Speaker 8: don't have feelings.
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Speaker 2: And that is not necessarily insanity, not at all. It's
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Speaker 2: cold blooded, but it's not insanity. I want to hear
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Speaker 2: more about the allegations against this mom, but first of all,
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Speaker 2: take a listen to our friends a crime online.
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Speaker 9: Veronica Kazkuba was born and raised in Argentina. She has
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Speaker 9: described her childhood as violent. Kaskuba told friends her mother
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Speaker 9: and father beat her until she couldn't walk as a
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Speaker 9: young child. She says her father beat her every day
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Speaker 9: with a belt, broomstick, or branch. To add to the
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Speaker 9: physical abuse at the hands of her parents, Veronica claims
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Speaker 9: she was sexually abused by her grandfather for years until
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Speaker 9: the adults in her life abandoned her and her younger sister.
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Speaker 9: She was all alone with no adult supervision in Buenos
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Speaker 9: Aires as a young teen and more. Veronica gave birth
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Speaker 9: to her first daughter, Sharon, when she was just sixteen,
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Speaker 9: and not long after, she met career Navy officer Ron Youngblood.
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Speaker 9: The relationship grew quickly and the couple was soon married
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Speaker 9: in a Las Vegas ceremony. The young family moved to
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Speaker 9: the United States permanently, but as a Navy pilot, Ron
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Speaker 9: Youngblood deployed once overseas. Three years after their wedding. Veronica
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Speaker 9: and Ron welcome to baby girl they named Brooklyn.
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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Ash a Short, senior editor Daily
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Speaker 2: wire dot Com, Ash again, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: So the mom in this scenario, Veronica young Blood has
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Speaker 2: detailed to police a very tough upbringing in Argentina, that
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Speaker 2: she was beaten when she was a child, that someone
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Speaker 2: sex abused her, she says, her grandfather, and she felt abandoned.
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Speaker 2: But somehow she meets Navy officer Ron Youngblood. I assume
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Speaker 2: he was stationed there and the two fall in love
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Speaker 2: and they moved to the US permanently. They get married
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Speaker 2: and she has a baby girl named Brooklyn.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, here's a woman that you know, maybe
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Speaker 5: she had been abused. This is what we say. We
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Speaker 5: have no evidence to the contrary. Correct, And you know
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Speaker 5: you but you would think right just singing as a mother,
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Speaker 5: as you know anyone who has been around kids, that
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Speaker 5: if you had such an upbringing, that you wouldn't want
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Speaker 5: to be that way with your own kids, that you
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Speaker 5: would want to love them and show that give them
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Speaker 5: everything that you didn't have. But it seems to be
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Speaker 5: almost the opposite with young Blood. You know, she started
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Speaker 5: seeing her children almost as ponds that could be used
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Speaker 5: in a divorce from her husband. So what we find out,
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Speaker 5: what prosecutors alleged, is that before nine days before she
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Speaker 5: shot her children, she purchased the gun she used to
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Speaker 5: kill her daughter, and she gave them sleeping killed gummies
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Speaker 5: before she murdered them. So, you know, here's a woman
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Speaker 5: that that was cold and calculating. The prosecutor is called
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Speaker 5: her spiteful, selfish, vengeful, calculated, you know, all of these
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Speaker 5: things that you wouldn't expect from someone, you know, with
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Speaker 5: her upbringing, because like I said before, you would expect
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Speaker 5: her to want to give her children all the things
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Speaker 5: that she didn't have.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: To Robert Crispin joining US private investigator at Crispin's Special Investigations.
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Speaker 2: Former Federal Task Force officer with the DOJ, the DEA,
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Speaker 2: the Miami Field Division. Former Homicide and Crimes against Children investigator,
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, thank you for being with us. How many
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Speaker 2: times have you caught a defendant a suspect dead in
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Speaker 2: the water? Red handed and they start with their sob
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Speaker 2: story about how they were abused as a child multiple.
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Speaker 10: Times, multiple times. Then the problem is, you know, people
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Speaker 10: utilized children as weapons in so many cases. In so
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Speaker 10: many cases, they weaponized the kids against the other, the
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Speaker 10: husband against the wife, the wife against the husband. It's
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Speaker 10: just relentless legal attacks, relentless accusations from lawyers against each other.
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Speaker 10: And these people just get to a point they snap.
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Speaker 10: There's no excuse for murder.
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Speaker 2: Well, did you say snap?
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Speaker 10: A snap?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely?
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Speaker 2: Okay, you mean like snapped on oxygen?
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Speaker 10: No, I mean snap? Did someone?
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Speaker 2: Are you suggesting somehow that snap is a defense I
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Speaker 2: got mad and quote snapped because Steve u Degawa joining US,
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Speaker 2: high profile a lawyer out of Tampa. And there's no
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Speaker 2: such thing as I snapped. I snap about ten times
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Speaker 2: a day. But I don't murder anyone. That's not a
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Speaker 2: defense that it's basically I got mad and kill somebody.
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Speaker 10: It happens all the time.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean who is saying that? Is that
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Speaker 2: Chrispin or Steve?
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Speaker 7: Not Steve?
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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, thank you, Okay, Crispin, you have a
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Speaker 2: great reputation as a private investigator. Did you somehow get
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Speaker 2: your JD. Your juris doctorate. When I wasn't looking.
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Speaker 10: No, not at all.
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Speaker 2: Okay, then let me put it very sweetly, shut your
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Speaker 2: pie hole. Okay, Steve Gawa, Yes, ma'am, Yes, Snap, Snap,
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Speaker 2: I snapped.
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Speaker 11: Snap.
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Speaker 2: I've already snapped to Jackie about eight times this morning.
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Speaker 2: Sending your next Okay, Steve snapped is not a defense
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Speaker 2: under the law, regardless of what Robert Crispin, the private investigator,
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Speaker 2: is telling us.
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Speaker 7: Well, no, it's not a defense, but it could be
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Speaker 7: a basis for second degree murder if you wanted to
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Speaker 7: go for a lesser from first degree murder. My understanding
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Speaker 7: is that this crime is a murder with premeditation, you know,
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Speaker 7: the conscious intent to kill. So I think, and I
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Speaker 7: don't think that's what they argued in this case.
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Speaker 2: I hate to tell you this, but you are sounding
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Speaker 2: awfully like a lawyer. True when you said yeah, if
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Speaker 2: you say you got angry in quote snap, you could
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Speaker 2: argue second degree. Let's be clear, you know different jurisdictions
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Speaker 2: are different, so correct me if you think this is wrong.
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Speaker 2: First degree murder in many jurisdictions require some degree of calculation. However,
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Speaker 2: we all know that premeditation can be formed in the
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Speaker 2: blink of an eye, a twinkling the timer takes you
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Speaker 2: to raise the gun, pull the trigger, and shoot. That's
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Speaker 2: time under the law for pre meditation. Now a lesser
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Speaker 2: offense such as voluntary manslor or the equivalent in some states.
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Speaker 2: I guess you're saying murder. I would be that you
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Speaker 2: were in a very volatile state, you are angry. The
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Speaker 2: same old tired example. As husband walks in, finds a
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Speaker 2: wife in bed with somebody else angry, you shoot them both.
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Speaker 2: See to me, that's still murder one because if you
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Speaker 2: have time to go get your gun, point it and
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Speaker 2: pull the trigger, that's time for premeditation. That's revenge. That
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Speaker 2: is pure out revenge, punishing the wife and the lover.
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Speaker 2: But that said, snap is not a defense such as
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Speaker 2: accident or self defense, which are both complete defenses under
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Speaker 2: the law. In your right, I can prove I shot
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Speaker 2: Jackie Dad and self defense and a jury believes it
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Speaker 2: I woke Scott free. That's a complete defense.
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Speaker 10: But it starts a chain of events just like premeditated murder.
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Speaker 10: It starts a chain of events where people think I
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Speaker 10: can no longer deal with this. I'm done, I'm over it.
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Speaker 10: I'm going to buy a gun.
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Speaker 2: WHOA, whoa, WHOA going to buy a gun? What? That's
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Speaker 2: total premeditation going and buying a gun. It's also called
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Speaker 2: a cooling off period.
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Speaker 5: I get it.
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Speaker 10: But we were talking about when I said the comments,
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Speaker 10: what I MENTIONP.
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Speaker 2: Is this Chrispin again? It is See I think I'm
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Speaker 2: talking to Steve the lawyer about the law. Okay, Steve,
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Speaker 2: snap defense.
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Speaker 12: Explain that snap defense to me would be you're arguing
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Speaker 12: with somebody, you get so upset, you pull out a
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Speaker 12: gun and you shoot, and you're not really thinking about
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Speaker 12: what you're doing.
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Speaker 7: You know to me in Florida that that would be
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Speaker 7: more per second degree murder. That there's no premeditation, there's
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Speaker 7: not enough time to really think about what you're doing.
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Speaker 11: You just do it.
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Speaker 7: And that's a lot of times the defense. I'm trying
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Speaker 7: to think of an example of a second degree murder.
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Speaker 2: Okay, think on that, because I want to want everyone
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Speaker 2: listening and watching to understand the Shineaker case that we're
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Speaker 2: talking about, that you were pivotal in the investigation and
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Speaker 2: the court case. Take a listen to our cut twenty
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Speaker 2: two our friends at WFTS.
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Speaker 13: This is how she looked hours after being arrested for
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Speaker 13: shooting her own children to death. Both thirteen year old
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Speaker 13: Bo and sixteen year old Kalyx were star athletes and
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Speaker 13: star students, and we now know it was just a
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Speaker 13: few months ago when Klyx filed a police report saying
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Speaker 13: her mother slapped and hit her in the face and
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Speaker 13: even busted her lip, but that case was later closed,
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Speaker 13: even though reports show Shneker admitted to hitting her daughter
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Speaker 13: because she talked back. It's the same reason she told
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Speaker 13: police she wanted her children dead, a reason many find
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Speaker 13: as sick as their.
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Speaker 2: Murders and more from Beanie's Nine.
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Speaker 14: Police say about seven o'clock Thursday night, Schenecker armed herself
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Speaker 14: with a thirty eight caliber pistol she had just purchased
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Speaker 14: over the weekend. They say she shot her son twice
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Speaker 14: in the head in the family's garage, then went upstairs
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Speaker 14: and shot her daughter in the back of the head
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Speaker 14: while she was doing her homework.
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Speaker 5: She did tell us that they talked back, that they
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Speaker 5: were mouthy, and that she tired of it.
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Speaker 14: Detectives say Shneker's mother contacted them from Texas Friday morning
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Speaker 14: after receiving a disturbing email from her daughter and being unable.
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Speaker 1: To reach her.
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Speaker 14: When they arrived at the house, they found her on
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Speaker 14: a back patio covered in blood. They also found a
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Speaker 14: note describing how she planned to kill her children and
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Speaker 14: then herself.
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Speaker 2: Karen Start, Karen Stark, Karen Stark, psychologist.
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Speaker 5: Nancy Nancy name another.
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Speaker 2: Episode where I'm going to kill everybody and then myself
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Speaker 2: and Whoopsie, you just commit murder and you sit in
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Speaker 2: the backyard and your house coat having a glass of
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Speaker 2: wine by the pool. So familiar.
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Speaker 8: It reminds me as Susan Smith. She was going to
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Speaker 8: drown herself with her kids and somehow they died and
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Speaker 8: she didn't. It happens all the time. It's I was
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Speaker 8: going to kill all of us, but somehow I managed
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Speaker 8: to survive. And we're talking about somebody because the kids
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Speaker 8: were now see this woman.
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Speaker 2: Back to Robert Crispin's misinterpretation of the law. I love
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Speaker 2: saying that to you, Crispin. Is he still muted. He's
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Speaker 2: got to be, because he's not saying anything. I want
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Speaker 2: you to hear this, Crispin to Steve Udigawa's response regarding
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Speaker 2: snapped in his high profile case of Julie Shineker who
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Speaker 2: murdered her two children. This woman even wrote it all
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Speaker 2: down in a diary, and I want you to hear
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Speaker 2: how she described murdering her son. In our cut thirty
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Speaker 2: three from.
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Speaker 15: ABC, we were told by a medical examiner today that
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Speaker 15: bo and Kalox were shot at such close range that
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Speaker 15: they actually had.
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Speaker 2: Burnmarks on their skin.
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Speaker 15: For defense attorney's claim that she was insane at the
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Speaker 15: time the slings, she was diagnosed bipolar with psychotic features,
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Speaker 15: and that her chronic mental illness stole everything from her,
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Speaker 15: including her two children. The state said Shineker actually planned
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Speaker 15: that Saturday massacre with a thirty eight revolver and hollow
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Speaker 15: point bullets, and then wrote about the slayings in a diary.
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Speaker 16: I offed bow on the way to practice. He saw
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Speaker 16: the gun and told me to put it back in
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Speaker 16: the purse. He had a healthy fright. I accident eventally
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Speaker 16: shot the window. The shot him one extra through, one
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Speaker 16: extra shot through the side of the head, then went
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Speaker 16: then when we got home, a shot to his mouth
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Speaker 16: because he became so mouthy, just like.
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Speaker 15: Klys And the state says that she also wrote in
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Speaker 15: that diary that she would have killed her husband, Colonel Parkersheniker,
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Speaker 15: had he been in the house at the time, of
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Speaker 15: course he was on assignment in Afghanistan and more.
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Speaker 11: In our cut thirty four, the diary talks in specifics
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Speaker 11: about the two kids, thirteen year old Bo and sixteen
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Speaker 11: year old Klyx.
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Speaker 17: She called me an evil soul and parentheses the evil
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Speaker 17: starts Thursday.
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Speaker 11: The technician went on to read another page labeled Thursday,
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Speaker 11: the day of the murders. The passage started talking about
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Speaker 11: how she shot Bo first in the car on the
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Speaker 11: way to practice, and she was surprised he had fight.
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Speaker 17: He was yelling at me. First shot hit the windshield,
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Speaker 17: second shot was the side of the head, next shot
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Speaker 17: was to the mouth, his mouth, e mouth.
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Speaker 11: The diary talks about how both kids would talk back
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Speaker 11: to Sheneker and not treat her with respect, then describes
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Speaker 11: the murder of her daughter.
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Speaker 17: Came home dash Kalyx was on the upstairs computer. She
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Speaker 17: said in quotations, what are you doing? Quotations? Just see
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Speaker 17: what you're doing, walked up without her reacting, and shot
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Speaker 17: her in the right temple, then shot her in the
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Speaker 17: mouth and parentheses her sassy little mouth.
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Speaker 2: Both of these beautiful children dead and now history repeats
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Speaker 2: itself to Steve Igawa, an instrumental part in the Julie
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Speaker 2: Shineker prosecution. What was Shineker's motive?
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, again, as you know, when you're proving
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Speaker 7: first degree murder, we don't necessarily have to prove motive.
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Speaker 7: But you know, in this case, I think her motive
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Speaker 7: was is that she just wasn't happy in her life.
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Speaker 7: And I think that she blamed maybe her children for
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Speaker 7: that to a certain respect, to a certain extent, that
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Speaker 7: they were, as she puts it, mouthy, disrespecting her. And
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Speaker 7: I think she took out a lot of her maybe
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Speaker 7: frustration in her own life, her own problems, she took
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Speaker 7: them out on her children because, as she puts it,
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Speaker 7: they were mouthy to her, they disrespected her. And I
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Speaker 7: don't I don't. I don't find that an excuse.
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Speaker 2: Karen Start Psychologists joining us out of New York. You
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Speaker 2: and I have analyzed this, and your analysis during the
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Speaker 2: Shineker trial was that Julie Shineker was angry because her
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Speaker 2: husband continued in his career and traveled a great deal,
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Speaker 2: leaving her with the children to raise largely on her own,
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Speaker 2: and she sought revenge.
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Speaker 8: And that's not uncommon Nancy, and a lot of these
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Speaker 8: stories about women who kill their children, it really is
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Speaker 8: then angry. They're angry at their husbands and they wind
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Speaker 8: up using the children as a way to get back
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Speaker 8: at them.
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Speaker 2: I just take a listen to our cut twelve. Bruce
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Speaker 2: Lashaw at WUSA nine.
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Speaker 18: Youngblood described raising Shearon in Argentina, piercing her ears but
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Speaker 18: not having enough money to buy her clothes or food,
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Speaker 18: celebrating both the girl's birthdays and their matching brown eyes.
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Speaker 18: She told jurors her mother and father beat her every
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Speaker 18: day as a child and then abandon her as a
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Speaker 18: teenager alone in Buenos Aires. When she met Ron Youngblood,
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Speaker 18: a Navy pilot, they moved to the US and he
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Speaker 18: deployed overseas. Why did you leave me, she asked her ex,
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Speaker 18: who sat stoically in the back of the courtroom. Why
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Speaker 18: did you leave me alone with the girls, she asked him.
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Speaker 18: None of this would have happened, she said.
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Speaker 2: So ask short joining me Senior editor at a Daily Wire,
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Speaker 2: is that, of course, ASA has stated the state never
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Speaker 2: has to prove motive, But is that the working theory
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Speaker 2: of the prosecution that this mom Veronica young Blood was
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Speaker 2: angry that the dad wasn't there, yes, in.
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Speaker 5: Part, and angry that the dad was going to take
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Speaker 5: the younger daughter, Brooklyn, who was five, and moved to
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Speaker 5: Missouri with her. And this was all for spite, all
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Speaker 5: to get back at him. And you know, we listened
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Speaker 5: to that clip, and this whole case is just another
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Speaker 5: example of you know, here's a woman who is blaming
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Speaker 5: a man, blaming her husband, just like Scheneker.
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Speaker 19: Did you know this.
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Speaker 5: It's the husband. He's basically upset because the husband away
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Speaker 5: all the time, left her with the children. Here's Veronica
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Speaker 5: Youngblood whose husband left her and she's claiming she did
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Speaker 5: all of this because he left her, and you know,
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Speaker 5: arguing that maybe she shouldn't be punished as much, maybe
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Speaker 5: it should be in sanity because they're a man. It's
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Speaker 5: a man's fault. It's always a man's fault. Man ADARs
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Speaker 5: her growing up grandfather sexually abused her. Now her husband
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Speaker 5: is just terrible, and it's just this constant we have
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Speaker 5: to here in America, women blaming men for their problems,
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Speaker 5: not taking responsibility. And you see it specifically in these
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Speaker 5: women who murder their children. You know, we have the
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Speaker 5: Julius Schenekers. We have the Susan Smith. Susan Smith killed
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Speaker 5: her children because she wanted to dat a man who
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Speaker 5: didn't want children, right, And now we have here Veronicka Youngwood.
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Speaker 5: I mean, there are examples, I believe, of women.
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Speaker 10: Who have.
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Speaker 5: Who actually do have mental problems who kill their children.
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Speaker 5: We have Andrea Yates, who had severe postpartum depression, right,
24:49
Speaker 5: she's in a mental facility now to denies her own
24:52
Speaker 5: review for her case. There's another woman who is going
24:56
Speaker 5: through this process currently, Lindy Clancy out of Massachusetts. She
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Speaker 5: strangled her children and then split her wrists and jumped
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Speaker 5: out of a window. She's now peril block paralyzed. So
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Speaker 5: she is one of the few examples of a woman
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Speaker 5: who did actually intend to kill herself after her children.
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Speaker 5: So we have those two cases where we can see
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Speaker 5: this clear mental illness. But then we have the Veronika
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Speaker 5: young Bloods and the Julie Schennikers who are just upset
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Speaker 5: with their life, upset with their husband and take it
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Speaker 5: out on the kid.
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Speaker 2: I agree with everything that you just said, but I'd
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Speaker 2: like to also point out that one out of three
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Speaker 2: women in the US, according to the National Coalition Against
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Speaker 2: Domestic Violence, have been a victim of domestic violence? Is
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Speaker 2: that true in this case of Ronicky young Blood. No
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Speaker 2: indication at all she had been abused in her marriage.
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Speaker 2: Nor Julie Shineker, who we are also focusing on. I
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Speaker 2: think I hear Karen start jumping Karen.
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Speaker 5: But it's manipulation.
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Speaker 8: Really, it's not about instantity at all, Nancy. They know
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Speaker 8: the differ between right and wrong. They're angry and they
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Speaker 8: manipulate the situation. They killed their children. Really, it's all
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Speaker 8: about revenge and anger.
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Speaker 2: I think I hear Crispin jumping in.
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Speaker 10: Go ahead, Robert, No, No, it wasn't jumping in. But
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Speaker 10: I totally agree with what everybody here saying and h
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Speaker 10: victimizing themselves.
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Speaker 5: I'm the victim.
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Speaker 10: I'm the victim.
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Speaker 11: This is Steve.
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Speaker 7: I just wanted to clarify with miss Schhenaker. She did
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Speaker 7: have a long history of mental health issues. She had
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Speaker 7: been hospitalized earlier, I don't want to say, probably ten
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Speaker 7: years before this incident, so there was documentation that she
26:38
Speaker 7: did suffer from either bipolar disorder or depression. I thought
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Speaker 7: it was more on the grounds in the range of depression,
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Speaker 7: and that was one of the reasons why we came
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Speaker 7: off of the death penalty because miss Schhenaker we were
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Speaker 7: looking at originally at the death penalty for her, but
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Speaker 7: once you know, there was a lot of documented evidence.
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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a lightning round, Steve Sure, lightning round? Yes, night.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Julie Shinaker purchased the gun ahead
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Speaker 2: of time? Yes? Isn't it true that she murdered both
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Speaker 2: of her children while her husband was out of town,
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Speaker 2: no one was there to stop her.
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Speaker 5: Yes?
27:09
Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Julie Shinaker murdered both children outside
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Speaker 2: the purview of any witness, one in the garage, one
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Speaker 2: upstairs in her bedroom.
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Speaker 5: Correct?
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Speaker 2: And isn't it true she kept a diary of what
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Speaker 2: she did?
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Speaker 7: That is true as well.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well bye by insanity defense exactly that was clearly
27:27
Speaker 2: well thought out, you know. To doctor Jan Gorniac, renowned
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Speaker 2: medical examiner and joining us out of Vegas, Doctor Gorniac,
27:35
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Have you ever handled
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Speaker 2: a case where a child was killed by their own mother?
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Speaker 8: Yes?
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Speaker 19: I have, and I had a similar case exactly like
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Speaker 19: they killed her kids and then ended up in a
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Speaker 19: different state. Going to the emergency room saying that you
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Speaker 19: wanted to kill herself too, but left her her kids
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Speaker 19: back in the house dead and then called the Kresdoon
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Speaker 19: boys she's driving.
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Speaker 2: Called the husband. She had the wherewithal to call the
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Speaker 2: husband and taught the husband with the knowledge that she
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Speaker 2: had killed the child, which goes toward a revenge killing.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, as short joining us from the
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Speaker 2: Daily Wire ash in this case speaking of the father
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Speaker 2: the biodad being elsewhere and not there in the home.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that they had reached a divorce and everyone,
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Speaker 2: including the mom of Ronicky young Blood, was going they
28:31
Speaker 2: were all going to move to Missouri. And then she,
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Speaker 2: Ronicky young Blood got a job and decided to stay
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Speaker 2: where they were in Fairfax County, Virginia. That's why the
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Speaker 2: husband was gone. Based on their mutual decision, the whole
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Speaker 2: family would move to Missouri absolutely.
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Speaker 5: And then she changed her mind. And then she used
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Speaker 5: that as her excuse to kill her kids and blame
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Speaker 5: her husband. And when we look at these cases, they're
28:57
Speaker 5: really honest because Steve had meanted, you know, taking the
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Speaker 5: death penalty off of Sheneker. Well, that is another thing
29:04
Speaker 5: that happens with women. You know, women received sixty men
29:08
Speaker 5: receive sixty three percent longer sentences on average than women
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Speaker 5: for the same crime.
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Speaker 2: And so we see this in this case.
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Speaker 5: We see this over and over again with these women
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Speaker 5: who kill their children not getting the death penalty. There
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Speaker 5: have been women who've gotten the death penalty. I'm not
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Speaker 5: going to say none, but Gronika young Blood, well, she
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Speaker 5: hasn't been sent But we look at Susan Smith, Andrea Yates,
29:27
Speaker 5: we look at Shenneker, no death penalty, life without parole
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Speaker 5: or you know, possibility of parole.
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Speaker 2: And look at Lauri Valo. Lauri Valo reportedly killed her
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Speaker 2: two children orchestrated several murders. She's a serial killer, and
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Speaker 2: the death penalty is off the table, you're right.
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Speaker 5: But the death penalty is not off the table for
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Speaker 5: her husband, who's charged with the same crime.
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Speaker 2: You're right, the death penalty has not been taken off
29:53
Speaker 2: the table for the so called prophet Chad Dabail. Very
29:56
Speaker 2: astute analysis.
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Speaker 10: Ash.
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Speaker 2: So we're hearing that the whole family had planned moved
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Speaker 2: to Missouri together even though they were getting a divorce
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Speaker 2: so they could co parent, and then as Veronica young Blood,
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Speaker 2: that reneges on the deal, and then the retaliation begins.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com
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Speaker 2: and our cut.
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Speaker 9: Five weeks after negotiating and settling the court case and
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Speaker 9: with the divorce case still pending, Veronica young Blood tossed
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Speaker 9: Rob's cell phone in a toilet, splashed water on his laptop,
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Speaker 9: and scratched his car. According to a motion filed by Ron,
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Speaker 9: Ron Youngblood obtained a family abuse protective order against Veronica
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Speaker 9: young Blood from the Fairfaks Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court.
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Speaker 9: Veronica was ordered out of the Oakton townhouse and to
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Speaker 9: stay at least five hundred feet away from Ron. With
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Speaker 9: the protective order still in place, the young Blood's divorce
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Speaker 9: was finalized.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy grace Well.
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Speaker 2: It sounds to me Ash Short joining us from Daily
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Speaker 2: wire dot Com that that TPO temporary protective order wasn't
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Speaker 2: really worth the paper it was printed on.
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Speaker 5: No, absolutely not, and that's usually the case. I'm surprised
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Speaker 5: he was able to get one at all. Usually willing
31:19
Speaker 5: can get these like candy for a man. It doesn't
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Speaker 5: matter whether she violences or not. They're not going to
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Speaker 5: do anything. So I'm actually really shocked that he was
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Speaker 5: able to get that. But Of course it didn't matter
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Speaker 5: as he continued to do this.
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Speaker 2: Where were they shot on their body? Ash?
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Speaker 5: Yes, Sharon was in her chest and her back. She
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Speaker 5: ended up surviving fight when she called nine to one one.
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Speaker 5: She died later at a hospital. Brooklyn was a shot
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Speaker 5: in the head. She died at the scene. And remember
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Speaker 5: Brooklyn was just five years old.
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Speaker 2: Dodger gene gorniac. One child clearly suffered called nine one
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Speaker 2: one gasping for breath. The other died more instantly. But
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Speaker 2: what would the child have endured that tried to get
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Speaker 2: help to live? What were her last moments?
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Speaker 19: Oh, I can't only imagine how scary it was. She
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Speaker 19: even said I don't want to die. So obviously she
32:19
Speaker 19: shot in the chest, most likely got her lung So
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Speaker 19: she's bleeding into her chest, having difficulty breathing, possibly asperating
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Speaker 19: or swallowing some of that blood back into her lungs
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Speaker 19: or into her stomach.
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Speaker 2: And this bear sheared terror.
32:37
Speaker 19: And fear, and for her to have survived a couple
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Speaker 19: of days, she probably went into shock from a lot
32:44
Speaker 19: of loss of blood.
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Speaker 2: So this is the woman that reportedly threw her husband's
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Speaker 2: cell phone into the commode three water on his laptop,
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Speaker 2: keyed his car, and now she's got the children. If
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Speaker 2: you don't believe in the prosecution's theory, I want you
33:04
Speaker 2: to take a listen to Drew Wilder from NBC four.
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Speaker 4: In Our Cut seventeen, new video of Veronica young Blood's
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Speaker 4: interview with police and the hours after she shot and
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Speaker 4: killed her daughters, five year old Brooklyn and fifteen year
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Speaker 4: old Sharon. In the interview, Youngblood references her plan to
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Speaker 4: kill her daughters several times.
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Speaker 11: Bayadne, I'm kill my daugh is Henry so Toby a
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Speaker 11: gun and kill your daughters and yourself.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Inside their McLean apartment. On August fifth, twenty eighteen, young
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Speaker 4: Blood's defense attorneys concede she shot and killed the girls.
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Speaker 4: Fifteen year old Sharon was still alive when police arrived,
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Speaker 4: and that officer testified quote she said her mom came
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Speaker 4: into the room and said, I'm going to take you
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Speaker 4: to see God and then shot her and more.
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Speaker 2: In Our Cut sixteen from WUSA nine.
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Speaker 18: What happened that night was crazy, Youngblood told jurors, I
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Speaker 18: lost control. She said Sharon was praying before she shot
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Speaker 18: her and said, Mommy, we're going to die tonight. Ron
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Speaker 18: youngblood told jurors of his own pain, how Brooklyn loved animals,
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Speaker 18: how he and Sharon made silly faces at a restaurant,
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Speaker 18: how Sharon made him a Father's Day collage he still
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Speaker 18: keeps as a screen saver on his phone. How he
34:19
Speaker 18: built the girl's memorials in Shintilly and his hometown in Missouri.
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Speaker 18: Their inscribed children are true miracles too.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, a private investigator joining us from Crispin Special Investigations,
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Speaker 2: Robert lost control. That's total BS technical legal term. She
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Speaker 2: went and bought the gun, according to her her words,
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Speaker 2: not ours, in order to kill her children. She did
34:48
Speaker 2: not lose control. This was planned. This was not an
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Speaker 2: uncontrollable impulse. But how many times, Robert Crispin, in all
34:56
Speaker 2: the cases you have investigated, which are many, many cases,
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Speaker 2: thousands of cases, does the purpose say, oh, I just
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Speaker 2: lost it, like that's going to somehow condone what they did.
35:07
Speaker 2: I lost it.
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Speaker 5: That's the excuse that they use.
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Speaker 10: Nancy, it happens all the time. We hear it all
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Speaker 10: the time, But that's no justification for what they've done. Clearly,
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Speaker 10: there were so many systematic steps leading up to this homicide,
35:19
Speaker 10: and I don't even think I would want to listen
35:21
Speaker 10: to the nine one one tape of this fifteen year
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Speaker 10: old trying to catch her last breast, saying I don't
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Speaker 10: want to die. That has just got to be the
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Speaker 10: most gut wrenching nine one one And I can tell
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Speaker 10: you the dispatcher and the cops and responded to that
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Speaker 10: are still affected today. And if you don't think that
35:36
Speaker 10: cops are affected by child crimes, they are for many,
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Speaker 10: many years.
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Speaker 2: A revenge killing, a double murder by a mom angry
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Speaker 2: at her husband. Take a listen to our cut fifteen
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Speaker 2: from Bruce La Sean.
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Speaker 18: Weeping loudly despite the medications she says she is taking
35:56
Speaker 18: to control her emotions. Young Blood at her daughter's sleeping
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Speaker 18: pill gummies in twenty eighteen at her McLean apartment. Then
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Speaker 18: she shot Brooklyn in the head and Sharon in the
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Speaker 18: back and in the chest. Sharon was able to call
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Speaker 18: nine one one UNTELL first responders what her mother had done.
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Speaker 18: She died at the hospital. Veronica young Blood called her
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Speaker 18: ex after the shooting, leaving a message that she had
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Speaker 18: killed the girls and that she hated him.
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Speaker 2: Karen Stark, psychologist, that is clearly a revenge killing. That's
36:33
Speaker 2: a revenge killing. After she murdered the girls, she calls
36:37
Speaker 2: her husband say I hate you. I murdered your girls, and.
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Speaker 8: She blamed everything and continues to blame everything on him.
36:44
Speaker 5: Nancy, it's his book that she did that.
36:47
Speaker 8: She's not taking responsibility for her actionence and blaming everything.
36:53
Speaker 8: That's so clearly revenge killing that I mean, this could
36:58
Speaker 8: be a textbook case.
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Speaker 2: Short Senior Editor, Daily Wire, Isn't it true the whole
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Speaker 2: Missouri move was because the husband, Ronald young Blood, had
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Speaker 2: to move to Missouri.
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Speaker 5: And this is something that happened millions of times in
37:13
Speaker 5: America and all around the world that you know, a
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Speaker 5: man gets a job and a woman is taking care
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Speaker 5: of the kid and they move. I think eyelight up
37:22
Speaker 5: all over the country when I was a kid because
37:25
Speaker 5: my father got another job. It's what you do. And
37:29
Speaker 5: you know, young Blood decided, Ronica young Blood decided she
37:33
Speaker 5: didn't want at the last minute, you didn't want to go,
37:36
Speaker 5: and she got a job and she wanted to stay. So,
37:39
Speaker 5: I mean, this is just something that happens million of
37:42
Speaker 5: the times, and yet in this instance, she decided to
37:45
Speaker 5: use this as yet more evidence to get revenge on
37:49
Speaker 5: her husband, yet another reason to get revenge on him,
37:52
Speaker 5: and she did. She killed her kids to prevent them
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Speaker 5: from moving with him.
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Speaker 2: Two girls, Dad, Brooklyn and Sharon, and robbed of everything,
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Speaker 2: their life, their future. No more proms, no more straight a's,
38:07
Speaker 2: no more cheerleading, no more plans of a wedding one day,
38:12
Speaker 2: of children themselves, of going to college. It's all over
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Speaker 2: in that one moment, A double revenge murder. Convicted, now
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Speaker 2: young blood furiously working on her appeal. Goodbye friend,