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Young Mom BURIED ALIVE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Buried Alive? Is there anything
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Speaker 1: more terrifying than that? We often see it on movies
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Speaker 1: and mystery movies, adventure movies, and in those movies, somehow
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Speaker 1: the person always manages to scramble back out. That is
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Speaker 1: not always the case. And what kind of a mind
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Speaker 1: does it take for a perp to bury a victim alive?
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation, in series like
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Speaker 1: one eleven. Buried Alive is exactly what happened to this
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Speaker 1: young victim? First of all, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at King five Muse. Right now, Lancy and police
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Speaker 1: are looking for a woman believe to be kidnapped. Take
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Speaker 1: a look, please say Young Sukanne, who see right here,
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Speaker 1: was taken from her home in a light blue two
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Speaker 1: thousand and six Dodge Grand Caravan. Officers believe he took
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Speaker 1: the victim from her home and she is in danger tonight.
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Speaker 1: They say, if you see either of them, call nine
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Speaker 1: one one. Can you hear me? Woom? What's going on there? Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get help started you You can hear muffled
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Speaker 1: screaming as if someone has been duct taped. What we
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Speaker 1: learn is spine chilling. You were hearing our friends at
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Speaker 1: King five as well as the victims nine one one
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Speaker 1: call she managed to make. Now take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friens a k I R seven chilling new audio
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Speaker 1: now of a nine one one call from a woman
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Speaker 1: who was kidnapped, then bound and gagged with duct tape.
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Speaker 1: She was able to call nine one one amazingly with
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Speaker 1: her Apple Watch, but she had duct tape over her mouth,
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Speaker 1: so she could only mumble noises to the operators. Can
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Speaker 1: you hear me? What's going on there? Okay, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: get help started to a poor woman. That call goes
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Speaker 1: on for more than ten minutes and you can hear
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Speaker 1: she can't make out or enunciate anything about where she is,
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Speaker 1: if she even knew where she was. With me and
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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we know
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Speaker 1: right now. Somehow this woman manages to think of calling
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Speaker 1: from her Apple Watch with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of this first too. Lisa daddy O,
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Speaker 1: former police Loluke in Newhaven, PD, now Senior lecturer at
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Speaker 1: the Director for Advanced Policing and Graduate Program coordinator at
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Speaker 1: University Newhaven at Leasta, thanks for being with us. Explain
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Speaker 1: how that nine one one call was made from an
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Speaker 1: Apple Watch. Thank Nancy for having me. Technology is one
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Speaker 1: of those things it's constantly evolving and actually helping both
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Speaker 1: those that use it and also enforcement when something this
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Speaker 1: horrific has happened. So the victims somehow manage to actually
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Speaker 1: activate her watch to qual authorities, and there's an app
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Speaker 1: that they can use if you're in crisis. It notifies
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Speaker 1: police departments, it notifies kind of who you identified to
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Speaker 1: be contacted if there's an emergency, and it keeps sending
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Speaker 1: out alerts along with approximate locations of where you are
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Speaker 1: to help find you if something horrific has happened. And
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Speaker 1: in this case, you have a female victim beaten, brutalized,
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Speaker 1: duct taped, her mouth, duct taped, and even buried alive.
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Speaker 1: This woman, trying to keep her wits about her, manages
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Speaker 1: to call nine one one from the Apple her Apple Watch.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing and you can hear her as she's desperately
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Speaker 1: trying to save her own life. So how does this
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Speaker 1: lady end up buried alive? First of all, I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear the sound we just play from KI
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Speaker 1: r O. Take a listen again as she tries to
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Speaker 1: enunciate killing new audio now of a nine one one
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Speaker 1: call from a woman who is kidnapped, then bound and
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Speaker 1: gagged with duct tape. She was able to call nine
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Speaker 1: one one amazingly with her Apple Watch, but she had
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Speaker 1: duct tape over her mouth, so she could only mumble
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Speaker 1: noises to the operators. Can you hear what's going on there? Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get help, started to a poor woman. That
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Speaker 1: call goes on for more than ten minutes. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen again to our friends at k I r O.
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Speaker 1: Of course, when someone makes a call from any phone,
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Speaker 1: practically you just call our ID, and especially the number
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Speaker 1: can be traced when an an Apple Watch is used,
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Speaker 1: and that should be connected to the victim's name for
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Speaker 1: billing purposes. But finding it in time to save a
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Speaker 1: life is an altogether different matter. But here we do
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Speaker 1: learn based on that a little bit of how she
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Speaker 1: comes to be buried alive, our friends at KRON This
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Speaker 1: happened in a wooded area in Lacy, where the woman
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Speaker 1: was buried in a shallow grave. What happened is incredibly disturbing.
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Speaker 1: It started in this Lacy neighborhood, hunched her in the
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Speaker 1: head and threw her to the ground, before duct taping
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Speaker 1: her arms behind her back, her ankles, and duct tape
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Speaker 1: over her mouth and eyes. Then he put her into
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Speaker 1: a van and drove south to a wooded area. At
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Speaker 1: this point, cops are racing against the clock to try
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Speaker 1: and find a woman they believe to be incapacitated, not
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Speaker 1: realizing yet that she is under the dirt. What can
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Speaker 1: they do? They now know where she lives, they know
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Speaker 1: possibly her name. The search is on. First they do
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Speaker 1: something really smart. They go to neighbors and they look
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Speaker 1: for ring doorbell video. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Inside Edition. Here he is on a neighbor's ring
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Speaker 1: camera after allegedly throwing her into the minivan and driving
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Speaker 1: off to what he thought was her grave seven miles
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Speaker 1: away in Lacey, Washington. He's then accused of dragging her
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Speaker 1: into the woods, digging a shallow grave, and burying her alive.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to figure out what mind frame would
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Speaker 1: bury someone alive with me the Psychoanalyst to the Stars,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us from La Doctor Bethany, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. She's a starving Netflix series
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Speaker 1: Bleeding Empire. Bethany, You and I've talked about a lot
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Speaker 1: of murders, but burying someone alive, I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: not the first time that phenomena has happened. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to you'll all remember this case. I referred to
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Speaker 1: her as the girl in pink. It's Jessica Lunford from
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Speaker 1: our friends. At AP, prosecutors started to lay out their
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Speaker 1: case against John Evander Cooey, accused of murdering nine year
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Speaker 1: old Jessica Lunford in two thousand and five. Prosecutors say
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Speaker 1: DNA and other forensic evidence will show that Cooey, a
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Speaker 1: convicted sex offender, took the third grader and her stuff Dolphintoy,
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Speaker 1: then buried her alive. She was put into plastic bags
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Speaker 1: with her dolphin, put in a hole. They're in the
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Speaker 1: door with only the dolphin. She's suffocated. The evidence will
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Speaker 1: show that the one man responsible for all of these
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Speaker 1: acts sitting right there. One of the first witnesses was
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Speaker 1: Jessica's father, Mark Lunsford, who told jurors he had spent
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Speaker 1: that fateful February night at his girlfriend's house and then
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Speaker 1: came home to make a shocking discovery. That's right. Our
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Speaker 1: friend Mark Lunsford came home to discover his little girl
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Speaker 1: was gone. He hadn't just left her alone. He had
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Speaker 1: left her with relatives. They were babysitting, and little did
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Speaker 1: they know that Cooey, who was secretly living Caddy cornered
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Speaker 1: to their home, was back back with relatives. He wasn't
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Speaker 1: supposed to be there. They had no idea he was there,
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Speaker 1: a convicted child predator just yards away from nine year
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Speaker 1: old Jessica Lunsford, and she ended up being buried alive. Hey,
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Speaker 1: you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, hold on just a moment.
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Speaker 1: I have a forensic question for doctor Jan gorneyac medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: Clark County Board Certified Forensic pathologist. And when I say
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Speaker 1: Clark County, there's a lot of Clark counties in the US,
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Speaker 1: but this one is in Vegas and there's never a
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Speaker 1: lack of business there. Doctor Gorneyak, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. How can you look at a body and tell,
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Speaker 1: of course they're asphyxiated, they're suffocated, But how can you
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Speaker 1: tell that they were buried a lot of it? They
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Speaker 1: died buried down in the dirt. Oh, that's a fantastic question.
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Speaker 1: So what we look for is any I mean, if
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Speaker 1: they're buried alive, any dirt or any foreign to breathe
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Speaker 1: within their airway. I know that this lady was was gagged,
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Speaker 1: so it might have been unable to see that. But
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Speaker 1: based on other signs on their body, as if they
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Speaker 1: were fighting any of their injuries, dirt underneath their fingernails
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Speaker 1: because they're trying to claw their their way out, that
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Speaker 1: would be a sign that they were alive at the
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Speaker 1: time they were buried. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, I
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Speaker 1: was thinking about Jessica Lunsford and it reminded me of
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Speaker 1: the very first murder trial I ever had. I had
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Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing. The victim's name was Mary,
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Speaker 1: and she was asphyxiated with one of those clear plastic
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Speaker 1: laundry bags. She was bluntened, but that didn't kill her.
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Speaker 1: And when I went to the medical examiner, there was
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Speaker 1: no mention of this doctor, Jeanne Gorniac in the autopsy report.
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Speaker 1: But when wait, yes there was a mention of it,
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Speaker 1: but it was just a line and it didn't make
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Speaker 1: any sense to me. And when I looked at her
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Speaker 1: autopsy photo, the one taken just before the postmortement begins.
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Speaker 1: She was lying there and there were dots all over
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Speaker 1: her face and mouth, and I asked the medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: what is that, and he told me it was where
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Speaker 1: she had tried so desperately to breathe. She had inhaled
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Speaker 1: the clear plastic laundry bag and there were tiny dots
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Speaker 1: all around her mouth and nose. And there was one
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Speaker 1: line in the autopsy report that said particles were removed
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Speaker 1: from her mouth and nose. That I didn't know what
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Speaker 1: that meant. Then I saw the picture. Then I asked
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Speaker 1: the question and learned. And I'm just wondering. For instance,
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Speaker 1: Jessica Lansford was put in the trash bag before she
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Speaker 1: was buried alive, about the plastic actually going into her
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Speaker 1: mouth and knows that she tried to breathe would be
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Speaker 1: one thing that I believe I would note if I
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Speaker 1: were a medical examiner like yourself. But you're saying that
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Speaker 1: precluding the burial in a bag or other covering, you
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Speaker 1: would find microscopic debris in the lungs and the throat
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Speaker 1: and the nasal passageway from dirt. That is correct. We
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Speaker 1: might even see what we say grossly with the naked
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Speaker 1: eye as we open up the airway, because during a
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Speaker 1: postmortem examination we're looking at everything, so we might see
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Speaker 1: it not only in the airway, but like you also mentioned,
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Speaker 1: microscopically underneath the microscope in the lungs because they're they're inhaling.
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Speaker 1: You know you're you're inhaling, and in a case like
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Speaker 1: this stands a garbage bag over somebody's face, there's plenty
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Speaker 1: of opportunity for particles to go in the mouth up
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Speaker 1: to nose and be able to see once again in
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Speaker 1: the in the airway and microscopically in the lung But
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Speaker 1: then it's also becomes there's so many different ways. When
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Speaker 1: you say asphyxiation, right, you have smothering and have suffocation.
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Speaker 1: So in a case like this, it will be a
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Speaker 1: combination of a lot because you have a clusion from
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Speaker 1: the outside of your nose and mouth, so you know
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Speaker 1: someone is being smothered so from the outside, so you
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Speaker 1: have smothering from the outside and then choking from the inside.
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Speaker 1: So essentially, when you get for material into your airway,
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Speaker 1: you're choking. Okay, hold on, I gotta take in what
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Speaker 1: you're saying, doctor, gourney called on just a moment, I
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Speaker 1: gotta digest what you're saying. I'm sorry, I hadn't thought
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Speaker 1: of it. I hadn't thought. No, no, no, no, you're
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Speaker 1: just about up warp speed ahead of the rest of us,
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Speaker 1: or at least ahead of me. Everybody else call me
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Speaker 1: understands that. Just I've never thought about that, maybe because
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to about the choking aspect of this
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Speaker 1: scenario where the victim is actually choking. They're trying desperately
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Speaker 1: to breathe and they're choking on the dirt. Correct. So,
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Speaker 1: like I said, you have the smothering, which is you know,
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Speaker 1: you're you're covering up the nose in the mouth so
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Speaker 1: air can't get in. So sometimes the air can get in.
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Speaker 1: And then while you're getting the air in, you're also
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Speaker 1: bringing foreign materials into your airway. And so once you
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Speaker 1: occlude or close off your airway inside in your in
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Speaker 1: your neck and your throat, then that becomes a choking.
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Speaker 1: And I add another layer to that. It's just doctor
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Speaker 1: Besianie Marshall. Yes, yes, yes, Well, in order to be
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Speaker 1: able to breathe, you have to be able to expand
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Speaker 1: your chest to bring air into your lungs and dirt
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Speaker 1: is very heavy, so correct and just six six inches
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Speaker 1: of dirt on your body is to preclude you for
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Speaker 1: being able to expand your ribcage, and so that would
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Speaker 1: be yet another desperate feeling this woman was supposed to that.
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Speaker 1: That's a great We also consider that. We call it
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Speaker 1: positional asphixiation or mechanical asshixiation, where you have something heavy
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Speaker 1: that's on your body, in this case dirt limbs from trees,
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Speaker 1: and you can't expand you can't take adequate breaths, so
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Speaker 1: you're going to suffocate that way because you can't expand
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Speaker 1: your your diaphragm in your law. Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Now I know why I hadn't really thought it through
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Speaker 1: because it's horrible. And everybody on our palel right now
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Speaker 1: sees these type of crime, sees murder every day, but
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Speaker 1: you don't see a burial alive every day. It's actually
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Speaker 1: pretty rare. Have you heard of it that much? Jackie?
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Speaker 1: I am not. I mean I've had it, I've investigated it,
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Speaker 1: I've worked it. But you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, when
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Speaker 1: you take the victim out of the ground, of course,
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Speaker 1: they're all covered with dirt, and it's in their hair,
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Speaker 1: it's in their mouth, their ears, their nose, their eyes.
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Speaker 1: But it's only when, is doctor Jean Gorniak, Vegas Medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: as she described, you look into the air passages. That's
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Speaker 1: when you find out they're buried alive. Now, my question
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Speaker 1: to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, is killing is one thing,
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Speaker 1: and that's bad enough, okay, but burying someone alive is
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Speaker 1: just no mercy. That is one cold s O B
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Speaker 1: that would do that to this lady, Nancy. There's another
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Speaker 1: burying a life that we don't consider, although we see
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Speaker 1: it all the time and we cover it on your show.
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Speaker 1: And that is instance who are either flushed down the
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Speaker 1: toilet's round or throw them in the trash. That's a
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Speaker 1: different kind of bearing alife. Waite a minute, White a
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Speaker 1: minute it wait wait wait wait, okay, you're saying a baby, Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: a baby. It may not be mesodical thought out in
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Speaker 1: quite the same way, but I think the psychology might
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Speaker 1: be similar. So a woman who has an unwanted baby,
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Speaker 1: she never bonds to the baby. Your way out in
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Speaker 1: the weeds, Bethany, no offense, but you really really are,
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Speaker 1: Can I just get the bus back in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the road. We're talking about a grown woman buried,
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Speaker 1: bound and gagged and buried covered up with dirt, and
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Speaker 1: the poor thing tries to call nine one one from
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Speaker 1: her Apple watch. Okay, Now you can just percolate about
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Speaker 1: infants and toilet bowls for a moment, but I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: get us back on. Tryp in this case and what
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Speaker 1: happened to this victim and similar victims buried alive victims. Now,
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Speaker 1: I talked to you about Jessica Lunford, a case that
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Speaker 1: I know very very well and personally went to Florida
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Speaker 1: and investigated. But there are others. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut twenty nine. Listen to these these oh man,
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Speaker 1: this is from for Jax. Reggie and Carol Sumner were
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Speaker 1: reported missing from their home. They've been buried alive. Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: said the couple was kidnapped from their Saint Nicholas home,
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Speaker 1: forced to make cash withdrawals from ATMs, then buried alive
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Speaker 1: in Charlton County, Georgia. Shovels and crime scene photos were
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Speaker 1: shown at trial. Other evidence were photos of the defendants
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Speaker 1: posing with money and drinking champagne in the back of
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Speaker 1: a limo. Okay, Troy Slayton, dare I conjure that name up?
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, high profile LA criminal defense attorney at Slate Lawyers.
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Speaker 1: You can find them on Twitter at Troy Slayton. Now,
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, I'm sure you always have a comeback for
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Speaker 1: everything I throw at you. But buried alive? And what
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Speaker 1: about these these two listen drinking champagne and posing with
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Speaker 1: the victims money in the back of a limo right
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Speaker 1: after they bury them alive. They're down, they're trying to breathe,
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Speaker 1: and they're posing with champagne and money in the back
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Speaker 1: of a limo. What do you do with that? Slaton? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty tough, Nancy. And you know we're not in
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Speaker 1: the business of criminal defense because things are easy. Why
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Speaker 1: are you in it for the money? Because I would
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Speaker 1: charge them a lot of money. I mean, hey, slat,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you a question, just a little detour here.
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Speaker 1: Most criminal defense attorneys that I know that handle murder cases,
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Speaker 1: they're like, you got to pay me up front. I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't touch this with a ten foot poll unless you
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Speaker 1: throw down one hundred grand right now. I mean, with
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Speaker 1: a case like this, I guess you get paid up front,
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Speaker 1: right the money aside, Nancy, I know you are going
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Speaker 1: to answer. Prosecutors like you are thrilled when they can
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Speaker 1: show a depraved indifference to human life, when they can
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Speaker 1: show that not only did the person do something wrong,
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Speaker 1: but that they did it with such an evil heart
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Speaker 1: that it makes the jury, it prays on the jury's
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Speaker 1: passions and prejudice, and wants to throw the person away forever.
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Speaker 1: How about the hard evidence. Speaking of hard evidence, you
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Speaker 1: know those two there in the back of the limo,
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Speaker 1: drinking champagne and showing off to all the money they
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Speaker 1: just stole from the victims that are gagging and trying
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Speaker 1: to breathe and dying underground taking listen to first coat
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Speaker 1: and knees. There's more. Thirty three year old Tiffany Cole
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Speaker 1: was one of three people convicted in the crime. Alan
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Speaker 1: Wade and Cole's boyfriend Michael Jackson, the man identified as
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Speaker 1: the mastermind, also sit on death row. A third man,
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Speaker 1: Bruce Nixon, testified against the others and is serving forty
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Speaker 1: five years in prison. Prosecutors said the four conspirators kidnapped, robbed,
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Speaker 1: and buried this couple, sixty one year old Carol and
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Speaker 1: Reggie Sumner, burying them alive in Charlton County, Georgia. Tiffany
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Speaker 1: Cole and the three others were arrested and charged with murder.
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Speaker 1: According to police, Cole knew the Sumners and had even
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Speaker 1: bought a car from them. They say she provided the
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Speaker 1: link the couple was kidnapped and robbed. Their bodies found
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Speaker 1: in a shallow grieve in Georgia, and during her trial,
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Speaker 1: Cole pointed the finger at her boyfriend, Michael Jackson. But
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Speaker 1: please remember that I didn't do this. I'm not the
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Speaker 1: monster that created this, but I'm sorry I met him. Okay,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, Jackie. Wasn't she the one posing in
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Speaker 1: the back of the limo with a ship? Okay yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: not steel, Yeah, big smile on her face. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: made me drink that champagne and count all that money
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Speaker 1: in those photos. Well listen to this one. Here's a
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Speaker 1: guy who buries his daughter alive as punishment and ps,
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Speaker 1: she's just six years old. Our cut thirty one from CBS.
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Speaker 1: A Green County man behind bars facing child abuse charges
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Speaker 1: after police say he assaulted his six year old daughter
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Speaker 1: According to a criminal complaint, the victims stated to a
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Speaker 1: CYS worker that her father, fifty year old John Kraft,
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Speaker 1: would hit her with his hands, belt, and arm which
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Speaker 1: had a metal plate inside. Her older brother also reporting
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Speaker 1: to CYS he witnessed Kraft bury his sister in the
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Speaker 1: yard on one occasion, leaving her outside in the freezing
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Speaker 1: cold all night. Paperwork says the child reported to CYS
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Speaker 1: Kraft did this as punishment when he thought she was lying.
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Speaker 1: Police say the child stepmother interviewed at least once when
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Speaker 1: Kraft was assaulting to six year old, and gave her
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Speaker 1: a bath one night after she was buried alive. Oh,
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Speaker 1: dear Lord in heaven. Okay, let's get back to this
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Speaker 1: case right here. Who would bury a woman alive, bait
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Speaker 1: her a duct taper and bury her alive? Well, the
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Speaker 1: police are on it. Take a listen hour cut twelve
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Speaker 1: from Keen five. Their daughter told police the two were
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Speaker 1: going through a divorce and On would come by their
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Speaker 1: home in Lacy to do laundry. Security camera footage shared
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Speaker 1: by a neighbor shows a man who authorities say was
22:51
Speaker 1: identified as On, pulling a minivan into the garage. The
22:56
Speaker 1: van is later seen speeding out of the neighborhood. Those
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Speaker 1: probable documents alleged On attacked his wife, tying her up
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Speaker 1: with duct tape. He then drove her into the woods
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Speaker 1: not far from their home, dug a hole, and placed
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Speaker 1: her in the ground. Her husband, that's who. Isn't that
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Speaker 1: right with me? Dave Matt, investigative reporter with a crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com Her husband that she had a tro
23:21
Speaker 1: temporary straining order against which was not worth the paper
23:25
Speaker 1: it's written on apparently, but she was letting him come
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Speaker 1: by and do his laundry there. I'm not blaming her,
23:31
Speaker 1: I'm blaming him. But that's who we're saying, who would
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Speaker 1: do this? What kind of creepy, sadistic stranger predator would
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Speaker 1: do this? It's her husband, you know, Nancy, that t
23:43
Speaker 1: R had actually expired. And again yeah, just as a
23:47
Speaker 1: point of reference here, he came over, okay, to her house,
23:52
Speaker 1: and this is the part that gets me, because she
23:54
Speaker 1: had the wherewithal to use her Apple watch. You know,
23:57
Speaker 1: he pounded her in the head, beat the crap out
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Speaker 1: of her book before he was able to put the
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Speaker 1: tape on her face, and so she actually had, you know,
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Speaker 1: in a real fight It's not like in the movies
24:10
Speaker 1: are on TV. Now, when you hit in the head
24:13
Speaker 1: you go dizzy. You know, when you get hit in
24:15
Speaker 1: the head, you really do kind of come unraveled a bit.
24:19
Speaker 1: But she was able to keep her mind about her
24:24
Speaker 1: to use that Apple Watch. And hey, kudos to the
24:27
Speaker 1: nine one one operator for trying to get information so
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Speaker 1: that she could identify where this call was coming. You
24:33
Speaker 1: know what else, Dave mac Normally we light into the
24:36
Speaker 1: nile on operators because they're like, okay, what are you wearing?
24:41
Speaker 1: Just like stopp This one operator was incredible, So the
24:46
Speaker 1: police are on it. Now what unfolded that day? How
24:49
Speaker 1: does she end up buried alive? Taking listen to our
24:52
Speaker 1: friends at crime Online. Young suk On returns home from
24:56
Speaker 1: church to find her estranged husband at the home. As
24:59
Speaker 1: the to discuss their pending divorce, Young Szukan sent her
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Speaker 1: children to another area. Shayon allegedly says he would rather
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Speaker 1: kill his wife than give her his retirement money. He
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Speaker 1: then reportedly ties her hands behind her back with duct tape.
25:13
Speaker 1: He also ties her at the thighs and ankles, and
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Speaker 1: puts tape over her eyes. Young Sukon was however, able
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Speaker 1: to call nine one one using her Apple Watch. She
25:23
Speaker 1: also sends an emergency alert to her trusted contacts, including
25:27
Speaker 1: her eldest child. Though nine one Dispatch could not make
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Speaker 1: out what was happening on the call since young Szukan
25:33
Speaker 1: was gagged, they did track the call. When police arrived
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Speaker 1: at the home, Shayon allegedly had already left, with his
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Speaker 1: wife captive in his van. Okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Beverly Hills. It's not as if
25:48
Speaker 1: it's any better. He's not even saying I can't live
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Speaker 1: without you. He's saying, I'm not going to give you
25:53
Speaker 1: half my retirement money, so I'm going to beat you,
25:57
Speaker 1: duct tape you, and bury you a lot for his
26:01
Speaker 1: retirement money. I don't even believe that. You know, these
26:04
Speaker 1: criminals come up with all kinds of explanations for why
26:07
Speaker 1: they do what they do, but usually the real reason,
26:09
Speaker 1: deep down is something totally totally different. And I think
26:13
Speaker 1: people who perpetrators who bury somebody alive, they have such
26:18
Speaker 1: disregard for life. But by that, I mean it's not
26:20
Speaker 1: that they just want to kill the person, but the
26:23
Speaker 1: idea that that person free, that person sees, that person loves,
26:26
Speaker 1: that person is a sentient human being, is not really
26:31
Speaker 1: so much on their radar. I mean, I mean often
26:33
Speaker 1: we think of chealousy and the resentment, simmering resentment as
26:38
Speaker 1: being motivations for homicide. In this case, I almost think
26:42
Speaker 1: that he didn't see her as a real human being,
26:45
Speaker 1: and so I think this is just a low functioning
26:48
Speaker 1: jerk who's lurking around her house just thinking about how
26:52
Speaker 1: to get her out of the way for whatever reason.
26:54
Speaker 1: Who knows, whatever reason is kind of percolating in his mind.
26:59
Speaker 1: So the police are on it, and that call us
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Speaker 1: actually made from her Apple Watch after he hits her
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Speaker 1: in the head, like Dave Matt was telling us, she's
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Speaker 1: bound and gagged, duct tape across her mouth at the home.
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Speaker 1: That's when she makes that apple Watch call. Then we
27:16
Speaker 1: have the miracle take a listen to k The victim
27:21
Speaker 1: says she was put into a hole in the ground
27:23
Speaker 1: with a tree put on top of her before her
27:25
Speaker 1: husband started burying her with dirt. She told police she
27:28
Speaker 1: was in the ground for a few hours and feared
27:31
Speaker 1: she would die. Eventually, she was able to get her
27:33
Speaker 1: hands free as well as her feet free from that
27:36
Speaker 1: duct tape and managed to get out of the shallow grave.
27:39
Speaker 1: Documents say she ran through the woods for about thirty
27:42
Speaker 1: minutes before finding a road in a house just after
27:44
Speaker 1: midnight on Monday, and begged them to call nine one
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Speaker 1: one and more from KROO seven. Probable cause documents tell
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Speaker 1: us that man came back in the room, found her
27:55
Speaker 1: apple watch, and he smashed it with a hammer while
27:58
Speaker 1: it was still on her wrist, but the call continued.
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Speaker 1: She told police he drove her to the woods. He
28:04
Speaker 1: stabbed her in the chest and buried her alive, but
28:06
Speaker 1: she was eventually able to regal through the dirt, get
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Speaker 1: out of that hole and run away. That woman amazingly
28:12
Speaker 1: ran through the woods for half an hour. She found
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Speaker 1: a house where the owner called nine one one. Sheriff's
28:17
Speaker 1: deputies responded for help. Police say her estranged husband's motive
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Speaker 1: was losing money in their upcoming divorce. Young sook On
28:25
Speaker 1: escape the shallow grave. Her estranged husband put her in.
28:28
Speaker 1: She said. Shay On attacked her, doug the grave and
28:31
Speaker 1: put her inside. He placed a heavy tree on her
28:34
Speaker 1: and then threw dirt on her. Detectives say the whole
28:37
Speaker 1: Young soooked On was buried in was sixty five inches long,
28:40
Speaker 1: thirty inches wide, and nineteen inches deep. Inside there was
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Speaker 1: loose dirt, duct tape, and hair consistent with young soook
28:48
Speaker 1: On to Lisa, Daddy a joining me for a police
28:50
Speaker 1: lieutenant at new Haven PD now at University new Haven
28:55
Speaker 1: in a center for advanced policing. Lisa sounds as if
29:01
Speaker 1: it was very well planned, if he dug that hole
29:05
Speaker 1: ahead of time, sixty five anches long like a burial spot. Yeah,
29:13
Speaker 1: I mean it's it was definitely premeditated and pre planned.
29:17
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't wake up one day say hey,
29:19
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, assault my wife and then I'm
29:22
Speaker 1: going to find somewhere to put her, and then while
29:23
Speaker 1: she's there, I'm going to dig a grave. It's something
29:25
Speaker 1: that he's been planning for god knows how long, and
29:28
Speaker 1: investigators will find that out. They'll be able to get
29:32
Speaker 1: a pretty good timeline on when he started this thing
29:36
Speaker 1: by looking at a lot of different things, credit card usage,
29:40
Speaker 1: video footage, possibly even cell phone his cell phone method
29:46
Speaker 1: to kind of try to figure out how long he's
29:49
Speaker 1: been planning. This not going to change the facts of
29:52
Speaker 1: the case, because it doesn't but it just shows that
29:54
Speaker 1: this wasn't just like you know, there's premeditation here no
29:57
Speaker 1: matter which way you look at it, just a matter
29:59
Speaker 1: of how how long he's been planning this. To you,
30:02
Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, it seems
30:06
Speaker 1: like the motive is very clear. It's not a love crime,
30:12
Speaker 1: which does not make it any less horrible, but it's
30:16
Speaker 1: about his money. They're getting a divorce and he does
30:20
Speaker 1: not want her to get half his retirement money. That's
30:23
Speaker 1: what it's all about about money. This is a money
30:27
Speaker 1: motivated crime solved down right down to the nitty gritty
30:44
Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. TROYE Layton, You know, I
30:51
Speaker 1: see a lot of homicides, a lot of them, but
30:54
Speaker 1: there's something about the money motive. And of course the
30:58
Speaker 1: state doesn't have to prove why he did it, but
31:01
Speaker 1: I think juries like to hear what's the motive. You know,
31:04
Speaker 1: that is why murder for pecuniary gain is an aggravating
31:10
Speaker 1: circumstance for the death penalty because it is so cold
31:14
Speaker 1: and so calculated. Wouldn't you agree, Troy that most murders,
31:19
Speaker 1: most homicides are not well thought out. There's not a
31:24
Speaker 1: long plan, like I'm going to poison them every week
31:26
Speaker 1: with arsenic until they kill over six months from now.
31:30
Speaker 1: It's not like in the movies at all, just bam,
31:33
Speaker 1: they're They're dead, just like that. But a motive, a
31:38
Speaker 1: money motive, murder has a whole another layer of coldness. Yes, Nancy,
31:45
Speaker 1: most murders happen in spur of the moment, but this
31:49
Speaker 1: was a case that involved a lot of planning. The
31:53
Speaker 1: suspect here is a former military intelligence and you know
31:59
Speaker 1: he tried. He had the wherewithal to smash the apple
32:02
Speaker 1: watch that kept working even though he smashed it with
32:05
Speaker 1: the hammer. And so in this case, the death penalty
32:10
Speaker 1: is not going to be on the table because this
32:12
Speaker 1: was an attempted murder. There wasn't, thank goodness, it wasn't
32:15
Speaker 1: a completed crime. But then there's also domestic violence, kidnapping,
32:20
Speaker 1: domestic violence, assault, and so there's going to be a
32:24
Speaker 1: lot of charges that can be piled up to keep
32:26
Speaker 1: him behind bars for a very long time. But I
32:30
Speaker 1: don't think this is even necessarily presumptive life sentence without
32:34
Speaker 1: the possibility of parole. You know, thinking about that money
32:38
Speaker 1: motive and the fact to you, doctor Bethany Marshall that
32:41
Speaker 1: she would steal and this guy's in military intelligence. I'd
32:44
Speaker 1: like to hear what role that plays in this, if any,
32:48
Speaker 1: maybe as to his personality or who is where withal
32:52
Speaker 1: to pull off a murder. And the fact that she
32:54
Speaker 1: would let him come over and do the laundry. You
32:58
Speaker 1: know what, you remember the war the Roses. I still
33:00
Speaker 1: remember that it was Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner in
33:04
Speaker 1: their heyday and they were either getting a divorce or
33:08
Speaker 1: the property settlement or something, and they were sharing this big,
33:11
Speaker 1: huge mansion and they ended up killing didn't They both
33:14
Speaker 1: die in the end? I hate to be a spoiler,
33:16
Speaker 1: but it was twenty years ago, so that's your problem. Okay,
33:19
Speaker 1: that's on you. So they both die in the inn,
33:21
Speaker 1: in the middle of a struggle. That's the whole point.
33:25
Speaker 1: There's a reason somebody's inn. X. Don't let him come
33:30
Speaker 1: over and do the laundry. But Nancy, you know this
33:34
Speaker 1: is the plight of the abused woman, and that it's
33:37
Speaker 1: easy for her to feel guilty, to become confused, to
33:41
Speaker 1: blame herself, and then to let the perpetrator back in.
33:44
Speaker 1: You were talking about money as a motive. Forty four
33:47
Speaker 1: percent of all crimes are over property disputes and or money.
33:52
Speaker 1: I mean is it is a very common motivator. The
33:56
Speaker 1: guy that the fact that the sky was in the
33:58
Speaker 1: armed services or military, I would guess that he was
34:02
Speaker 1: homicidal first, and then being around maybe guns weapons people
34:08
Speaker 1: who are strategizing maybe stimulated this latent tendency in him.
34:13
Speaker 1: But I want to stay one more thing, and that
34:15
Speaker 1: is about the dirt being buried. Duck taping her and
34:20
Speaker 1: throwing her in the earth. It's as if he wanted
34:23
Speaker 1: her gone, but he was too squeamish to do it himself,
34:28
Speaker 1: so he was going to let the earth do it
34:30
Speaker 1: for him. I know that sounds strange, but it's like
34:33
Speaker 1: he attacked her from behind. He did not want to
34:36
Speaker 1: be seen. He threw her in the pack of his suv.
34:40
Speaker 1: He put her in a shallow grape. Didn't he put
34:42
Speaker 1: a big like a tree limb on top. It's like
34:45
Speaker 1: he wanted to walk away and just hoped the dirty
34:48
Speaker 1: deed would be done. But he didn't want to look,
34:51
Speaker 1: in a sense at the whites of her eyes as
34:54
Speaker 1: he was doing it. You know, we see life was
34:55
Speaker 1: stabbing and choking and all of these kinds of crimes,
34:59
Speaker 1: those are off and crimes of passion where the guy
35:02
Speaker 1: is getting out a lot of negative aspect or emotion
35:05
Speaker 1: as he's killing the wife. I mean, I know he
35:07
Speaker 1: stabbed her in the chest, but he did let the
35:10
Speaker 1: dirt do it for him. He just hoped that it
35:12
Speaker 1: would happen and that he could just not think about
35:14
Speaker 1: it anymore. You know, I see a whole thesis paper
35:17
Speaker 1: for you, doctor Bethany Marshall, on the aspects of burying
35:22
Speaker 1: someone alive, not having the guts to carry through and
35:27
Speaker 1: actually murder them, but to let them die in the
35:31
Speaker 1: most horrific way, one of the most horrific ways I
35:35
Speaker 1: can think of. And he left a trail a mile wide.
35:39
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Komo. Neighbors didn't want to talk
35:42
Speaker 1: on camera, but shared surveillance video of the terrified victim
35:46
Speaker 1: walking up to their door for help. Surveillance also captured
35:49
Speaker 1: officers looking for signs of the suspect and other evidence.
35:53
Speaker 1: We had found a tape in the home and we
35:55
Speaker 1: believe that he used it to bind her hands, and
35:58
Speaker 1: she infected that her hands were bound and more from
36:02
Speaker 1: our friend Less an inside edition, It sounds like something
36:06
Speaker 1: from a movie. The terror of being buried alive. Imagine
36:10
Speaker 1: it happening for real. Somehow, the brave mom of two
36:14
Speaker 1: shoved and kicked her way out of that nineteen inch
36:16
Speaker 1: grape and ran through the wood for about thirty minutes
36:19
Speaker 1: before she found a house and raised the alarm. Her
36:23
Speaker 1: strange husband, identified as chay On, was captured. His traumatized wife,
36:28
Speaker 1: young On begged the court not to release him on bail.
36:32
Speaker 1: These are her words, Please no bail. I am really
36:36
Speaker 1: afraid from my life. I just want to emphasize that
36:40
Speaker 1: I fear him so much and he will kill me
36:43
Speaker 1: again if he is out to you, Doctor Jan Gorniac,
36:46
Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Clark County in Vegas, how often do you
36:51
Speaker 1: see it's called a domestic homicide, which to me makes
36:55
Speaker 1: it fat sound way too warm and fuzzy. Where these
36:58
Speaker 1: women have gotten tps temporary protective orders, restraining orders, and
37:03
Speaker 1: yet they end up dead in your office on your table. US,
37:08
Speaker 1: it's happened, you know more than we want to acknowledge,
37:13
Speaker 1: and it's it's unfortunate, um. And it said that you
37:17
Speaker 1: know you have these protective orders, um, and either party
37:21
Speaker 1: you know it could be the woman that says, you know,
37:25
Speaker 1: even though I have this protection order, I must still
37:26
Speaker 1: allow him to come to the laundry or habit and
37:30
Speaker 1: then dropt the charges or the male subject doesn't care.
37:35
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a piece of paper, you know
37:36
Speaker 1: what I mean. And by the time I do what
37:38
Speaker 1: I do, you know what I mean, the paper is
37:40
Speaker 1: not going to protect either one of us. So we
37:43
Speaker 1: do see those those cases, and those are those are heartbreaking,
37:47
Speaker 1: especially when the female victim is doing everything they can
37:51
Speaker 1: to stay safe, to protect themselves and or their children.
37:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember our case. We
37:57
Speaker 1: just covered a gorgeous young mom, Kiara, and she had
38:02
Speaker 1: a protective order Kiara Hudson against her husband, Adam Benefield.
38:09
Speaker 1: She was so afraid of him she would wear a
38:12
Speaker 1: bulletproof vest that didn't work. He stalked her and rammed
38:18
Speaker 1: into her suv while she was dropping their children off.
38:22
Speaker 1: Three children in the backseat rammed into her to get
38:26
Speaker 1: her to stop, then went over and fired directly into
38:29
Speaker 1: her vehicle and killed her, even though she was wearing
38:33
Speaker 1: a vest. She was so afraid of him. Then there
38:37
Speaker 1: are emotional or mental machinations. For instance, in this case,
38:43
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. He had her so twisted around with guilt,
38:48
Speaker 1: she let him come do the laundry, and she ends
38:50
Speaker 1: up buried a lot. I mean, there's just so much
38:55
Speaker 1: to say about this. I mean, obviously he you know,
38:58
Speaker 1: if she wanted to do the laundry her house, he's
39:01
Speaker 1: already making her feel guilty. He can't afford the laundry. Matt. Seriously,
39:07
Speaker 1: military intelligence, what a line of bs that poor woman.
39:12
Speaker 1: And she knew something was going down, doctor Bethany, because
39:15
Speaker 1: she sent her other child. She sent the children, look,
39:18
Speaker 1: go in the other room, let me talk to your father,
39:20
Speaker 1: and then this happens to her. Praise the Lord she lived,
39:25
Speaker 1: Dave Matt. What did I hear? She's begging no bond?
39:28
Speaker 1: Please do not tell me some idiot judge is granting
39:30
Speaker 1: a bond, not granting bond, Nancy. And she did she begged.
39:33
Speaker 1: She said, if he gets out, he will kill me.
39:35
Speaker 1: So yeah, no bond they're holding. When is this POC
39:39
Speaker 1: going to trial? November sixteenth is their next day in court.
39:42
Speaker 1: We'll be ready, Dave Matt. We wait as justice unfalse.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,