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Legal Analyst Monique Pressley Breaks Down the Nolan Wells Independent Autopsy · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: The independent autopsy and the death of Nolan Xavier Wells
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Speaker 1: is out and it's raised more questions than answers. Today,
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Speaker 1: legal analysts Monique Presley joins me to break it all.
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Speaker 2: Down, and none of the organs were missing. There were
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Speaker 2: organs that, as a natural part of the first autopsy
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Speaker 2: were removed.
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Speaker 1: It's Friday, July twenty fourth from the Black Effect Podcast Network.
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Speaker 1: I Mean Brown, This is front page.
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Speaker 2: Stay with me.
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Speaker 3: The independent autopsy in the death of Nolan Wells is
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Speaker 3: raised more questions that it has answers, and many people
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Speaker 3: are trying to understand what these findings actually mean. So
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Speaker 3: to help us break it down is the host of
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Speaker 3: the Monique Presley Show and legal analysts, And I'm talking
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Speaker 3: about Monique Presley herself. Monique has spent years helping audience
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Speaker 3: make sense of the nation's biggest legal cases, and today
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Speaker 3: she is joining us your on front page to help
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Speaker 3: us break down the latest independent autopsy of Nolan Wells. Monie,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining me. How are you today?
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Speaker 2: I am well. Thank you so much for having me
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Speaker 2: me me. It's an honor to be here. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
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Speaker 3: So let's start with the biggest headline. We now have
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Speaker 3: the preliminary results from the independent autopsy, but we still
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Speaker 3: don't know how Nolan Wells died. How was that possible?
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Speaker 2: So the independent autopsy that we heard about two days
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Speaker 2: ago is actually it's the second autopsy. We just got
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Speaker 2: the results first, right, So the state of Mississippi has
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Speaker 2: conducted its own autopsy. That autopsy. Though we don't have
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Speaker 2: the results, the preliminary results are surely complete by now.
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Speaker 2: There's a toxicology report that people are still waiting on,
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Speaker 2: and there are some other things that maybe still being
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Speaker 2: conducted from certain parts of No One Well's body. And
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Speaker 2: before I go any further, just my heartfelt condolences again
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Speaker 2: to the Wesley family. I don't like to skip over
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Speaker 2: the fact that we are talking about a huge loss
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Speaker 2: and a tragedy. But what we've heard about from Attorney
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Speaker 2: Crump and from the legal team two days ago was
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Speaker 2: the independent autopsy, which they had done after the state
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Speaker 2: had conducted, or at least done the initial conducting of
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Speaker 2: its own autopsy. So the obviously their limitations mean we
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Speaker 2: can't say it any clearer or diffuse that we ended
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Speaker 2: up not knowing much more than when we started there
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Speaker 2: are things that we would need in order to be
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Speaker 2: able to figure out whether doctor Mitchell, who is an
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Speaker 2: excellent physician and pathologists and Howard tenured pathologists former head
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Speaker 2: of Howard Hospital. I'm talking of all the bis and
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Speaker 2: things right now. But he was very candid in that
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Speaker 2: there were things that he could observe, but then there
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Speaker 2: were things that he could not conclude based on those observations.
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Speaker 3: And I think the question that everyone has been asking,
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Speaker 3: is it normal for a second forensic pathologist to receive
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Speaker 3: the body that is missing organs or tissue from the
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Speaker 3: first autopsy. Is there anything unusual about what happened here?
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go with what he said. So, first of all,
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Speaker 2: even though it seems like forever for us, because there
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Speaker 2: is such significant interest in this case, we are looking
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Speaker 2: at No. One Wills's body being discovered on July sixth,
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Speaker 2: and we are right now, as you and I are talking,
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Speaker 2: just at Lie twenty third. And that is not in
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Speaker 2: terms of the amount of time that it takes to
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Speaker 2: get an autopsy done, to get toxicology back, to have
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Speaker 2: conclusive results, that is not necessarily a significant period of
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Speaker 2: time or an extraordinarily long period of time, But then
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Speaker 2: for a second autopsy to not have and none of
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Speaker 2: the organs were missing. There there were organs that, as
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Speaker 2: a natural part of the first autopsy, were removed and
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Speaker 2: then were returned in the way that that normally happens
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Speaker 2: in an autopsy. That happened. And then there were specific
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Speaker 2: parts that doctor Mitchell mentioned of the throat of Nolan
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Speaker 2: Wells's body that was not part of what was sent
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Speaker 2: over by the State of Mississippi. But in his report
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Speaker 2: he said that he in his decades of experience, has
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Speaker 2: typically kept those portions for more examine, nation and for
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Speaker 2: more study, and so he did not note that as
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Speaker 2: something that was beyond the pale. He went out of
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Speaker 2: his way in the report to explain that that is
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Speaker 2: something that can happen, and that often does happen. But
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Speaker 2: what we're missing, we the public. What we're missing is
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Speaker 2: what the state has to say about why they didn't
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Speaker 2: send those particular parts over or why we don't have
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Speaker 2: the full initial report. Yet. That's not to say that
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Speaker 2: maybe attorneys don't know these answers, or maybe the family
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Speaker 2: hasn't been has been provided that information, but it was
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Speaker 2: not a part of the presentation that we watched in
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Speaker 2: the press for a couple of days ago.
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Speaker 3: But legally can the independent pathologist doctor Mitchell requests the
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Speaker 3: original slides, photographs, tissue samples, and notes from the first
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Speaker 3: autopsy to help him in his conclusion. Is that something
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Speaker 3: that is available to him.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure everything has been requested. The photographs were not provided,
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Speaker 2: These particular parts of the throat were not provided. The toxicology,
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Speaker 2: which to our knowledge is not yet available, was not provided.
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Speaker 2: And all of those things are going to inform on
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Speaker 2: his positions. So when he said inconclusive, that's preliminary. He
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Speaker 2: is going to reach some final conclusions the same way
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Speaker 2: the state of Mississippi will, and at some point the
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Speaker 2: hope would be that he would have all of the information. Listen.
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Speaker 2: One thing about this case meme that I think is
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Speaker 2: different than so many others of the hundreds of thousands, frankly,
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Speaker 2: of young black boys and girls who go missing, who
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Speaker 2: are found dead suspicious circumstances, is that Nolan Wells family
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Speaker 2: has the benefit of the best civil rights attorney in
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Speaker 2: the land, in the world as far as I'm concerned.
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Speaker 2: My brother, attorney BANKRN, and all of the other attorneys Broclose,
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Speaker 2: the other attorneys that are associated with this case. So
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Speaker 2: these are people who are going to look under every
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Speaker 2: stern stone, turn over every rock, like anything you can
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Speaker 2: think of that should be done, investigative forensic mythology, again
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Speaker 2: and again and again. They will take those steps. So
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Speaker 2: I'm confident that even though we don't have the answers
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Speaker 2: that we so desperately want right now, we will have them.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to if you could, we could go back
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Speaker 3: just a little bit, and I know some people here
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Speaker 3: undetermined and think investigators have no idea what happened. If
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Speaker 3: you could explain what that could mean. We know that
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Speaker 3: he couldn't determine based on the information that he was given.
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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people have ran with
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Speaker 3: well that means, you know, either it's accidental or they
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Speaker 3: run with it that means there's foul play.
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Speaker 2: Can you just kind of break.
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Speaker 3: Down what that could mean for our audience.
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Speaker 2: The fact that it's inconclusive. I think there's so much
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Speaker 2: more that's known right now, frankly than what we know
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Speaker 2: as a public. For instance, this is this is a
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Speaker 2: different example, but for a while the public was saying
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Speaker 2: that the friends who were traveling with Nolan didn't show
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Speaker 2: up and talk to investigators, didn't cooperate with police officers, etc.
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Speaker 2: And so on. And then we found out like a
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Speaker 2: week later, well known they talked to the police, they
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Speaker 2: talked to the state of Mississippi or the sheriff's county's investigators,
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Speaker 2: but we weren't informed of what was said. And that's
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Speaker 2: a significant distinction. So when we look at an investigation
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Speaker 2: like this, there are so many things that are happening
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Speaker 2: that the State of Mississippi is not yet prepared to say,
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Speaker 2: and perhaps even that the attorneys on the part of
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Speaker 2: the family of Nolan Wells are not yet prepared to say,
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Speaker 2: because maybe they're hearing what the Sheriff's office is saying,
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Speaker 2: but they're saying, no, that doesn't make sense, that doesn't
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Speaker 2: jide with what we know, that doesn't sound like Nolan,
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Speaker 2: that's not backed up by evidence. And so the amount
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Speaker 2: of information that we get when something is not yet,
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Speaker 2: either through freedom of information or through a trial or
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Speaker 2: a civil court matter, the amount of information that we
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Speaker 2: get is limited. So I always say in these cases
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Speaker 2: to the public, though emotions are high, don't let emotions
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Speaker 2: drive what you share. Don't let emotions drive what you think,
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Speaker 2: Because I believe that in short order we will have
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Speaker 2: the information we need, and we need to be prepared
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Speaker 2: kind of heart, mind and spirit, prepared for whatever those
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Speaker 2: answers may be.
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Speaker 3: And just for those who don't know, how long does
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Speaker 3: it t toxicology report usually take to come back, so.
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Speaker 2: There's not Usually it can be weeks, it can be
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Speaker 2: a month, it can be several months. The example that
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Speaker 2: I used a couple of days ago. I believe I
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Speaker 2: was on Dawn show. That might have just been yesterday.
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Speaker 2: All my days are running together. But the example that
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Speaker 2: I used is if you think of any significant cases,
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Speaker 2: maybe celebrity cases, whether it's Whitney Houston, whether it's Michael Jackson,
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Speaker 2: whether it's Matthew Perry, and I don't use those examples
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Speaker 2: because in this case, we believe that there was a
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Speaker 2: suspected drug overdose or alcohol or whatever. There are rumors,
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Speaker 2: but none of it is substantiated. But when you think
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Speaker 2: of how long it took to get a confirmed cause
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Speaker 2: of death, that was toxicology that we were waiting on.
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Speaker 2: And when they are doing those reports, they're looking and
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Speaker 2: an analyzing tissue from several different organs and it goes
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Speaker 2: through multiple processes we're a few weeks in, so holding
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Speaker 2: our breath for the next day or the next day
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Speaker 2: is not really what it is. We have to kind
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Speaker 2: of have some patience and understand that that information is forthcoming.
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Speaker 2: And then yes, we put the pressure on to ensure
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Speaker 2: that the result that was reached was the right one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you made so many good points here.
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Speaker 3: You know, it has been a couple of weeks. But
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Speaker 3: I think because of the way that this case is
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Speaker 3: and this story has played out, you know, and we
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Speaker 3: live in a we live in a world of right now,
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Speaker 3: we need information right now. We do have to you know,
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Speaker 3: level our level our emotions and let you know, uh,
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Speaker 3: the attorneys and the people who are working on this
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Speaker 3: case do their job.
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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. And I and that's hard, you know.
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Speaker 2: I know, I'm asking for a hard thing. And sometimes
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Speaker 2: when people listen to me, when it's it's a case
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Speaker 2: like this, I feel like I sit in the lane
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Speaker 2: of legal analysts. So I'm calling balls and strikes and
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to give it to you straight whatever that means. Now,
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Speaker 2: the attorneys on behalf of the family, they're advocates, and
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Speaker 2: they have a job, right and then those who are
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Speaker 2: in media, they're trying to get to the facts and
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Speaker 2: ask the right questions. They have a job. I think
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of somewhere in between you and I've been advocate.
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Speaker 2: I do news, but in this instance, I'm trying to say,
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Speaker 2: let's wait. We know that it's likely that the state
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Speaker 2: of Mississippi is under significant pressure right now, and that's
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Speaker 2: a good thing. But whether they're going to turn over
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Speaker 2: what we need or whether we will have to pursue
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Speaker 2: and pursue and pursue, that's yet to be determined. But
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Speaker 2: I'm just hoping that we're not quite at a fever
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Speaker 2: pitch and that everybody will take a deep breath and
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Speaker 2: understand that more facts.
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Speaker 3: Because I wanted to know as you were watching, you know,
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Speaker 3: Attorney Cromp a couple days ago lay out his findings
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Speaker 3: of the independent autopsy, what stood out most to you.
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Speaker 2: So here's the thing. Oh, you asked me the right
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Speaker 2: question today. Here's the thing. It wasn't necessarily any particular
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Speaker 2: thing that was shared. It was more the things that
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Speaker 2: were not shared that we do not yet know. And
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Speaker 2: what I mean by that is we saw that in
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Speaker 2: the back of Nolan Wells's body that there was an
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Speaker 2: area that had significant red markage from bleeding. But in
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Speaker 2: doctor Mitchell's report, he says, even though I see this,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing on the skin, there's there's nothing exterior for
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Speaker 2: that shows bruising, and there's nothing in the bones that
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Speaker 2: shows injury. So we're left with, Okay, what does this
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Speaker 2: red market mean? What does this bleeding mean? Was this?
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Speaker 2: Was this a post mortem injury, meaning one that could
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Speaker 2: have happened due to the autopsy, the initial autopsy, or
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Speaker 2: could have happened in movement before that autopsy or after
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Speaker 2: it being moved to come to DC. And so it's
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Speaker 2: things like that where we don't necessarily know we've got
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Speaker 2: a flag, but we don't know what the flag means.
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Speaker 2: And that's why I said caution, because I mean I
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Speaker 2: heard people screaming, meaning in the room at the NACP
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Speaker 2: convention when it was said that that organs were removed
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Speaker 2: that and you know, and they immediately went missing. But
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Speaker 2: removed and missing are two different things. And for people
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Speaker 2: who have not fortunately or unfortunately had to be exposed
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Speaker 2: to this part of what it means to investigate cases
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Speaker 2: or what it means to advocate on the part of
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Speaker 2: deceased persons and their families. They immediately thought the absolute worse.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing that that says to me, if
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Speaker 2: I can give you two, is this country. The original
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Speaker 2: stain is racism, and the stain of racism is driving
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Speaker 2: the way that we look at this case, rightfully or wrongfully.
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Speaker 2: We don't expect for the government to do right by us,
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Speaker 2: and we have every reason to feel that way. That's
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Speaker 2: not jumping to conclusions. That's leaning on past experience and data,
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Speaker 2: and those are two different things. So I understand why
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Speaker 2: people are appalled. I understand why people were saying they
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Speaker 2: murdered him, they killed him, they hit him over the head,
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Speaker 2: they pushed him in the water, like you saw all
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Speaker 2: the jump to conclusion of it. But I sit in
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Speaker 2: the seat of okay, we don't have any facts to
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Speaker 2: support that right now, y'all. I understand, family, But let's
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Speaker 2: wait a little bit longer for the facts to matter
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Speaker 2: with what we fear to be the worst, and let's
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Speaker 2: also hope that it was not that at all. I
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Speaker 2: would love for this family to hear that there were
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Speaker 2: no suspicious, suspicious circumstances, that there was no foul play,
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Speaker 2: that there was no mistreatment, that in their son's last hours,
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Speaker 2: he did not deal with some hideous event by his
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Speaker 2: friends before losing his life. That is what I pray for,
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Speaker 2: that there will be a peaceful end to a horrific circumstance.
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Speaker 3: And that brings me to my last question. So beyond
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Speaker 3: the toxicology, what evidence do you think will ultimately make
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Speaker 3: or break this case.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things we're going to know for
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Speaker 2: sure that we just don't know right now. We're going
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Speaker 2: to know how long he was on the island. There's
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Speaker 2: been person after person calling Please guys, call the hotline,
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Speaker 2: report to the family, to the law firm, to the
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Speaker 2: sheriff's office, use that and give any tips, any photographs,
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Speaker 2: any video. We're going to have a timeline, and that
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Speaker 2: timeline is going to make a difference. We're going to
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Speaker 2: know at some point the official statements that were made
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Speaker 2: by witnesses. And at this point, I think there's been
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Speaker 2: fifty or more witnesses from just what I'm hearing what
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Speaker 2: my ear to the ground is saying, fifty or more
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Speaker 2: witnesses that have already given statements. We're going to know
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Speaker 2: what those said. We're going to have information from people
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Speaker 2: who no one spoke to after the friends were purportedly
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Speaker 2: gone from the island? Is that true? Is that not true?
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Speaker 2: And it's all going to line up. When did the
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Speaker 2: the towing boat come to take the other boat? When
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Speaker 2: did they arrive the other friends on the mainland who
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Speaker 2: saw them there? Where did they go after that? It's
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Speaker 2: all going to line up eventually, and it's going to
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Speaker 2: look much more like the way a case would look
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Speaker 2: when an investigator is giving a final report that starts
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Speaker 2: with in the morning, at seven hundred hours this happened.
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Speaker 2: And we're going to go all the way through July sixth,
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Speaker 2: when Nolan Well's body was found. And so I don't
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Speaker 2: think we're going to be in the dark for long.
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Speaker 2: I think that much of what we need to know
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Speaker 2: is already known. It's just not known by the people
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Speaker 2: who need to know it right now, and that's the
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Speaker 2: Wansley family and their attorneys and frankly us in the public.
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Speaker 2: You know, if they want people to calm down, be transparent.
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Speaker 3: That was you know, I said my last question, but
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Speaker 3: this is my last question. But you know you said something.
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Speaker 3: You know, we live in a different day and age now,
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Speaker 3: and everyone on the internet they have a theory, right,
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Speaker 3: they have kind of decided this case. They've got their
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Speaker 3: own level of quote unquote facts that they pulled together.
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Speaker 3: You know how much in your experience does that hurt
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Speaker 3: or help a case like this, especially when one that's
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Speaker 3: so exposed.
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, and if you look a couple of
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Speaker 2: maybe like last week, Don and I for those who
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Speaker 2: wouldn't understand us, Don Lemon and I had what would
19:31
Speaker 2: be considered a heated exchange, except for, as he said
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Speaker 2: on the show, we talk like that every other day.
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Speaker 2: You just don't get to see it, right, Because I
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Speaker 2: was saying as someone who is a former senior assistant
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Speaker 2: Attorney General for the District of Columbia, someone who had
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Speaker 2: to represent police departments, police chiefs, mayors, Howard University Hospital,
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Speaker 2: you know, doctor Mitchell, for somebody who was in that job,
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Speaker 2: this is a nightmare. The reason it's a nightmare is
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Speaker 2: because every false tip to the House hotline is taking
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Speaker 2: us further from what the investigators need to do. Every time,
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Speaker 2: people not just who are legitimate news organizations like what
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Speaker 2: you do, but everybody who thinks now that they are
20:16
Speaker 2: legitimate news organizations. Because if you have a phone and
20:20
Speaker 2: some Wi Fi. You call yourself. Listen, everybody got a show,
20:24
Speaker 2: and they're all calling in and making pross requests, media requests,
20:28
Speaker 2: trying to get interviews, and then going out there and
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Speaker 2: saying that information isn't being provided. And so my opinion
20:36
Speaker 2: tends to be much more conservative about whether it's helpful
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Speaker 2: or not, because I understand the behind the scenes of
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Speaker 2: working around the clock to produce a final report, to
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Speaker 2: get officers to provide statements like I'm the behind the
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Speaker 2: scenes that's now in front of the camera and so oh.
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Speaker 2: In that regard, I think it's painful, and I think
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Speaker 2: it makes things take longer, and I think maybe it
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Speaker 2: makes people who need to do their jobs, like district
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Speaker 2: attorneys hunt and send things to the grand jury. Gran
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Speaker 2: jury is not necessarily a good thing. Grand jury means Okay,
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Speaker 2: whatever comes in, I'm gonna just send it to them
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Speaker 2: and let them say no instead of me saying no
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to play the heavy when I'm
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Speaker 2: the person that everybody's looking at that they're gonna want
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Speaker 2: to charge somebody. I don't think there are any charges.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is what she's doing. I'm just
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Speaker 2: saying this is what I suspect. So you announce it's
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Speaker 2: going to the grand jury. But in a state like Mississippi,
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that you're asking for someone to be charged.
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Speaker 2: If you wanted somebody to be charged, she could get
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Speaker 2: a hamd she'd get an indictment on a ham sandwich.
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Speaker 2: But if she doesn't want anybody to be charged, she'll
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Speaker 2: just throw the kitchen sink in there and say, Okay,
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Speaker 2: what does it say, and they'll come back inconclusive, non determinative,
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Speaker 2: no charges, shell issue, and we won't even know why
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Speaker 2: because the whole process is secret. I'm way off now,
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Speaker 2: but my point is when we're dealing with things like
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Speaker 2: this and you put pressure on government actors, sometimes they
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Speaker 2: fall back into process and they hunt, and we don't
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Speaker 2: want them to punt. We want them to make the
22:30
Speaker 2: hard decisions and we want them to do it in
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Speaker 2: front of everyone and explain it. Now. The other side
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Speaker 2: of that, as a person who is in between and
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Speaker 2: in media, is sometimes there's no case without the pressure.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes if the public isn't asking questions, if journalists aren't
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Speaker 2: asking questions, if it's not being covered by mem by
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Speaker 2: Don by Roland, by Nancy grayschild. If it's not being covered,
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: That was a very thorough and balanced answer, and I
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Monique. I mean, honestly, please tell
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Speaker 3: me that you'll come back and you'll do this again.
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Speaker 2: I'd be happy too, But I just want to say,
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Speaker 2: So thanks for your work.
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