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Sharri | 10 December · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening. Welcome to the show. Just
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Speaker 2: three programs left before our Christmas break, so don't miss
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Speaker 2: a moment. And it's a big show tonight. I have
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Speaker 2: an exclusive story Penny Wong accused of villifying Israel and
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Speaker 2: contributing to the climate of fear and anti Semitism in Australia.
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Speaker 2: James Patterson and Dave Sharma warn that the Foreign Minister
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Speaker 2: should tone down her language before this situation gets even worse.
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma even accusing the Foreign Minister of dog whistling.
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Speaker 2: And he'll be on my show tonight. That exclusive story
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Speaker 2: coming up in a moment. Plus Just Enterprise will be
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Speaker 2: on the show live to speak about Peter Dutton's vow
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Speaker 2: not to stand in front of the indigenous flag at
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Speaker 2: press conferences. And why are some Americans celebrating the man
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Speaker 2: charged with the murder of the United Healthcare See what
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Speaker 2: is wrong with this World? Also on the show tonight, Brdwin, Bishop,
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma, Warren Hogan and when we can expect rate cuts?
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Speaker 2: Plus Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharon Haskell, She'll be
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Speaker 2: on live and she's going to respond to Penny Wong's
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Speaker 2: comparison between Israel and China and Russia. That's all coming up,
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Speaker 2: but first to our exclusive story. Senior coalition figures are
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Speaker 2: tonight accusing Pennywong of dog whistling and creating a climate
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Speaker 2: of fear for Jewish Australians with her provocative language against Israel.
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Speaker 2: Both Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson and Liberal Senator
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma are urging Penniwong to tone down her rhetoric
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Speaker 2: and to stop fanning the flames of anti Semitism. It's
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Speaker 2: their strongest comments yet. I'm going to show you them
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Speaker 2: exclusively in just a moment. But it comes after Pennywog
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Speaker 2: compare the liberal democracy of Israel with evil dictatorships Russia
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Speaker 2: and China.
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Speaker 3: We expect Russia to b by international law and end
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Speaker 3: it's illegal and full scale war on Ukraine. We expect
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Speaker 3: China to a buy by international legal decisions in the
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Speaker 3: South China. See we expect Israel to bye by international law.
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Speaker 2: That is a new low, even for Penny Wog. In
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Speaker 2: a disgraceful speech, she also went from pretending to care
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Speaker 2: about anti Smitism to very quickly returning to her favorite
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Speaker 2: topic of criticizing Israel.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: In response to Pennywong's speech, James Patterson told me today
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Speaker 2: that it's clear the Albanezy government has learned nothing from
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Speaker 2: the terrorist attack at a dash synagogue last week. He
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Speaker 2: said this and I quote for the Foreign Minister to
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Speaker 2: compare Israel, a friendly, liberal democracy to two authoritarians date
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Speaker 2: is an outrageous slur. He said. It continues Labour's campaign
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Speaker 2: of vilification against the Jewish state and contributes to the
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Speaker 2: climate of fear Jewish Australians are feeling right now. He
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Speaker 2: said the Foreign Minister should tone down her attacks on
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Speaker 2: Israel before it gets even worse.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: Dave Shima, who was Australia's former ambassador to Israel, he
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Speaker 2: also urged Pennywong to calm down her language, and he
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Speaker 2: even accused her of dog whistling. He's on the show
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Speaker 2: live tonight, but this is what he told me. He said,
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Speaker 2: and I quote, I think the government's actively seeking to
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Speaker 2: delegitimize and discredit Israel, and the result is it's giving
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Speaker 2: license and encouragement to people who want to take matters
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Speaker 2: into their own hands and target Jewish Australians. He said
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Speaker 2: it's effectively like a dog whistle, where on the one
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Speaker 2: hand they condemn anti Semitism, but on the other hand
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Speaker 2: they fuel the conditions which are giving rise to it. Now,
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Speaker 2: those are extremely strong remarks Dave Sharma, saying that the
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Speaker 2: Albanzi government and in particular Pennywog, fueling the conditions that
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Speaker 2: give rise to anti Semitism effectively like a dog whistle,
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Speaker 2: he says, and they're right. Penniwong needs to stop demonizing
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Speaker 2: Israel because provocative accusations are, in my view, in flaming
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Speaker 2: tensions and encouraging hatred towards Israel and thus Jews. But
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Speaker 2: it seems she doesn't care about the impact her words
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Speaker 2: are having on antisemitism. Albanesi and Pennywog are only emboldening
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Speaker 2: the haters with their wrong and unjust criticism of Israel.
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Speaker 2: Their moral confusion sends a green light to the aggressive
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Speaker 2: pro Hamas mob that's been targeting Jews. A synagogue has
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Speaker 2: been firebombed, and Pennywong and the others need to urgently
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Speaker 2: tone down their language. They should actively try and calm
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Speaker 2: down tensions. They could even try demand that our hostages
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Speaker 2: are freed, that the UN take action to help the
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Speaker 2: Israeli women currently sex slaves to terrorists in Gaza. They
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Speaker 2: could also demand that Hamas lays down arms. I doubt
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Speaker 2: the Foreign Minister is capable of such moral clarity, and
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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like the Prime Minister is either, because
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Speaker 2: it took him four and a half days to visit
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Speaker 2: the Addask Synagogue in Melbourne after it was firebombed in
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Speaker 2: the early hours of Friday morning. Tennis was more important,
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Speaker 2: Whining and dining with labor lobbyists was more important. But
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Speaker 2: finally today the Prime Minister bothered to turn up and
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Speaker 2: visit the site of the terror attack. Albanezi was met
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Speaker 2: with and he shouldn't have been surprised by this, with
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Speaker 2: a hostile reaction from the local Orthodox Jewish community. One
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Speaker 2: woman told him his words were cheap and late. Another
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Speaker 2: asked why he'd played tennis instead of visiting earlier. There
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Speaker 2: were also questions about whether he was pro Palestinian now
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Speaker 2: when Albaneazy arrived and I watched this closely, instead of
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Speaker 2: saying to the local community like I did when I
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Speaker 2: went there yesterday, I'm so sorry for what you've been through.
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Speaker 2: This is such a tough time, or words to that effect.
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Speaker 2: He said this in a jovial tone.
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Speaker 6: I went to my first bar mitzvah on Saturday.
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Speaker 2: I went to my first bar mitzvah on Saturday. Really,
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Speaker 2: do you want congratulations for that? Prime Minister? Muzzles of
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister? I mean, this was utterly tone deaf. The
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Speaker 2: a Dusk community is shell shocked. I can tell you
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Speaker 2: that the president of the synagogue told me he's been
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Speaker 2: unable to properly function. One worshiper had tears. This is
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Speaker 2: a grown man, tears rolling down his face when he
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Speaker 2: surveyed the damage inside. Yesterday. I was there with him.
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Speaker 2: But Alban Eazy turns up and jokes that he's been
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Speaker 2: to his first bar mitzvah, and in fact I've confirmed
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Speaker 2: today he was only at the bar mitzvah in the
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Speaker 2: synagogue in Perth for literally twenty minutes. He wasn't invited,
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Speaker 2: as his office keeps insisting. He asked if he could
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Speaker 2: drop into the synagogue a publicity effort, and likewise, his
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Speaker 2: visit to a Dust synagogue today was very quick. He
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Speaker 2: came and left as soon as he could. He spent
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Speaker 2: the bare minimum time there, no questions, of course, no
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Speaker 2: interaction with the Jews who had legitimate questions for him
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Speaker 2: about why he'd failed to support our community. But he
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Speaker 2: was forced when he went inside the synagogue to in
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Speaker 2: front the brutal reality of what his personal lack of
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Speaker 2: action on anti Semitism has led to. A destroyed place
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Speaker 2: of worship, a Jewish community right around Australia reeling, and Australians,
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Speaker 2: good hearted Australians of all faiths aghast that the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's lack of moral clarity and his weakness, and still
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Speaker 2: his own senior ministers can't help but speak about Islamophobia.
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Speaker 2: This was ed Husick today, refusing to comment on anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism without mentioning his Lamophobia in this absolutely extraordinary exchange
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Speaker 2: with Kieren Gilbert.
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Speaker 7: Should the government have done more to stop anti Semitism? Well,
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Speaker 7: I think we could because every week you're seeing a
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Speaker 7: protest in Melbourne. Hate symbols have been used at many
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Speaker 7: of the protests. Is this a slippery slide that we're
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Speaker 7: seeing this thing just get worse and worse.
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Speaker 8: I think we should always be on the lookout for
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Speaker 8: things that are used to make people cower or fear,
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Speaker 8: or prevent them from being able to live their daily lives,
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Speaker 8: So be it any Semitism or Islamophobia or anything else
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Speaker 8: where people are singled out because of a particular attribute,
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Speaker 8: we shouldn't be going there.
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Speaker 7: The Government's are criticized for always linking saying any Semetism
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Speaker 7: alongside Islamophobia. James Patterson says, that's part of the problem,
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Speaker 7: that you should just call out any Semitism for what
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Speaker 7: it is, because it's worse wrong now than anything else.
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Speaker 8: Sorry, So should we turn a blind eye to Islamophobia?
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Speaker 8: Is that what the coalition's saying? Because the coalition has
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Speaker 8: front benches who have said Islamophobia is not a problem,
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Speaker 8: which is just ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: And this went on and on. Andy try to compare
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Speaker 2: one incident some time ago to this terror attack, the
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Speaker 2: fire bombing of the synagogue. It was truly unbelievable that
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Speaker 2: ed Husick could continue to downplay the anti semity some
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Speaker 2: crisis like this. And by the way, his comments came
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Speaker 2: literally at the same time as Albanezi was at the
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Speaker 2: Adous synagogue that was fire bombed. But this follows Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen just yesterday, also speaking about Islamophobia.
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Speaker 9: He said that they shouldn't be that Islamophobia shouldn't be
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Speaker 9: mentioned in the same sentence as the Prime Minister has done.
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Speaker 9: If James Patterson thinks he's no Islamophobia in Australia, he's wrong.
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Speaker 10: He didn't say that, though, He said that when something happens,
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Speaker 10: it should be enough to just denounce anti Semitism.
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Speaker 9: And he went on to say that they're not at
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Speaker 9: the same levels.
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Speaker 1: Look but the.
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Speaker 10: Poilament, ay man, are you saying they are at the
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Speaker 10: same levels because we've just seen a targeted attack on
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Speaker 10: a synagogue.
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Speaker 9: I'm saying, Patricia, that both exist, and I'm saying that
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Speaker 9: both can be called out.
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Speaker 2: Not even the Prime Minister can unequivocally condemn anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: as a major threat facing the nation right now, worse
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Speaker 2: than Islamophobia.
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Speaker 11: Have a look, is anti Semitism a bigger problem than Islamophobia?
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Speaker 12: Islamophobia?
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Speaker 6: I think it's well, any Semitism is a major threat,
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Speaker 6: and any Semitism has been.
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Speaker 2: On the rise. I mean they're all gas lighting the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community. The Labor defense of their lack of action
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Speaker 2: on anti Semitism has today been to accuse Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: of playing politics.
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Speaker 13: Peter Dutton is that he has a political strategy which
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Speaker 13: is a very divisive political strategy and that's not leadership.
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Speaker 12: There is nothing that Peter Dutton won't seek to politicize
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Speaker 12: and divide our community.
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Speaker 13: O Peter Dutton decided that it was more important to
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Speaker 13: play partisan games.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Labor that's playing politics here, continuing to focus
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Speaker 2: on Islamophobia whilst synagogues burn. It's labor that's playing politics,
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Speaker 2: posturing to Muslim communities in marginal seats instead of governing
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Speaker 2: for all Australia. And Labor is playing politics by their
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Speaker 2: obsession with United Nations votes, seats for buyers and criticizing Israel. Well,
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Speaker 2: this is all very wrong. They shouldn't put politics ahead
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Speaker 2: of community safety. The Albaneze government needs to focus on
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Speaker 2: their own backyard, their actual job, instead of interfering in
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Speaker 2: a foreign war. Well, if the Prime Minister and his
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Speaker 2: team of pro Palestinian activists actually cared about antisemitism, here's
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Speaker 2: six things that I think they should do. Firstly, race
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Speaker 2: hate laws. They need to arrest the perpetrators who are
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Speaker 2: perpetuating violence and hatred, not keep arresting the innocent Jewish
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Speaker 2: bystanders in case their very being is provocative to the haters. Secondly,
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Speaker 2: we do need a national permit system for protests. We
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Speaker 2: need to ban protests if they intimidate the Jewish community.
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Speaker 2: That means no protests outside synagogues or outside Jewish homes,
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Speaker 2: because those protests merely attack people of Jewish faith. It's
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Speaker 2: got nothing to do with the Middle Least war. They
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Speaker 2: need to stop provocative public criticism of Israel that fans
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Speaker 2: the flames of anti Semitism. As we've been speaking about,
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Speaker 2: words matter, calm down the tensions. Number four, they need
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Speaker 2: to announce a judicial inquiry into anti Semitism on university campuses.
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Speaker 2: They voted this down when Julie and Lisa put it forward.
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Speaker 2: Number five, the Prime Minister should instruct law enforcement to
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Speaker 2: use the full force of the law and the powers
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Speaker 2: available to them to crack down on anti Semitic incidents.
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Speaker 2: And number six, and this is on migration. They need
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Speaker 2: to ensure that proha mus antisemit anti Semites aren't being
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Speaker 2: flown into our country only to erode our Australian values. Well,
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Speaker 2: but's my six things that I think the Abnezi government
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Speaker 2: needs to do right now that would make a tangible
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Speaker 2: difference to our way of life. Pretty simple. None of
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Speaker 2: them are complicated, they can be done today now. I
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Speaker 2: thought There was an excellent column in The Australian Today
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Speaker 2: by columnist Claire Lehman, and she put it well when
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Speaker 2: she said that the Albanesi government has failed to move
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Speaker 2: beyond platitudes or the Prime Minister has failed to conveyl
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Speaker 2: authority on an issue that requires leadership. And she writes
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Speaker 2: that since the horrific Upper House rally, Albinizi has followed
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Speaker 2: the model of indifference shown by the New South Wales Police.
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Speaker 2: He says antisemitism has no place in Australia while anti
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Speaker 2: Israel protesters freely demonstrate in front of synagogues. He takes
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Speaker 2: no responsibility for surging attacks on Jews while undermining the
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Speaker 2: world's only Jewish state. And she makes the excellent point
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Speaker 2: that many political and also corporate leaders who claim the
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Speaker 2: moral high ground on other issues, have been silent on antisemitism.
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Speaker 2: She writes, rushing to champion indigenous and LGBTQA plaus issues
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Speaker 2: our left leaning leaders for mute when confronting violent hatred
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Speaker 2: directed at Jewish Australians. She says the vicious hatred may
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Speaker 2: come from a militant few, but it's the silent majority,
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Speaker 2: particularly those in positions of power and influence who let
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Speaker 2: it spread. And that's why James Patterson and Dave Sharma
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Speaker 2: are tonight urging the Foreign Minister to stop trying to
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Speaker 2: discredit Israel because this language is only giving license to
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Speaker 2: the Jew haters to continue their mission of intimidation and persecution.
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Speaker 2: And as I said, Dave Sharma will be on the
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Speaker 2: show a bit later, but now let's get reaction from
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Speaker 2: former Speaker of the House bronmin Bishop and Sky News
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Speaker 2: contributor Joe Hildebrand. Welcome show, Bromwin. The Prime Minister was
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Speaker 2: playing tennis, he was meeting with labored donors. He's had
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Speaker 2: his eye off the ball on this.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister is incapable of leading. As a fact
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Speaker 5: I've said again and again, he was never ever talked
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Speaker 5: about as being a leader. He is not capable of leading.
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Speaker 5: But what he and Pennywong are doing is to allow
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Speaker 5: the normalization of anti Semitic behavior so that people will
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Speaker 5: not react to it. And when Hitter became Chancellor in
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Speaker 5: Germany in nineteen thirty three, the first thing they did
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Speaker 5: was to go into the universities to make sure that
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Speaker 5: they accepted the normalization of the hatred of Jews. We've
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Speaker 5: seen what's happened on our campuses. It is because there
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Speaker 5: is no leadership here that is said, this is untenable.
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Speaker 5: It must not happen. Get away with this word unacceptable.
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Speaker 5: Action needs to be taking, something has to be done
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Speaker 5: to prevent it, and that means that leaders have to
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Speaker 5: take a strong stance. And this man is incapable of it,
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Speaker 5: absolutely incapable. And the games at Pennyway.
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Speaker 2: Because he's weak. So he's incapable of leadership on any issue.
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Speaker 2: Or do you think it's because of his past pro Palestinian.
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Speaker 5: Combination of both. He was always a part of a
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Speaker 5: mob when he was doing that. Now he's in a
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Speaker 5: leadership position, incapable except when he wants to put in
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Speaker 5: a new candidate that will please in faction. So it's
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Speaker 5: not good enough anymore to say, oh, look, he finally
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Speaker 5: went to that synagogue in Melbourne. He should have gone
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Speaker 5: there before he went to Perse. He's got his own plane,
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Speaker 5: for God's saking him, do it, Joe.
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Speaker 2: He's been to a bar Mitz for now though, congratulations Elbow.
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Speaker 13: I think part of the I mean, if you compare
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Speaker 13: and contrast the responses to the same problem by Anthony
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Speaker 13: Alberezi and Chris Mins. I think you see the difference
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Speaker 13: between someone who has a long history in the right
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Speaker 13: of the Labor Party and instinctively knows what to do
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Speaker 13: and knows to do it, knows what to do immediately,
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Speaker 13: and then you have someone like Anthony Albineze. I think,
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Speaker 13: to his credit, is genuinely trying to govern from the
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Speaker 13: center and genuinely believes himself to be a centrist. I
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Speaker 13: can tell you that is what I can promise you
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Speaker 13: that is what he genuinely believes. But it is something
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Speaker 13: he doesn't have a great deal of practicing, a great
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Speaker 13: deal of experience in, and so something that would be
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Speaker 13: completely obvious to you people of the center to get
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Speaker 13: on a plane go straight to the Sydney gogue he had,
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Speaker 13: or to call it a terror attack, or to you know,
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Speaker 13: to establish an AFP task forces to anti Semitism, and
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Speaker 13: to know when he says.
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Speaker 2: It something his adviser is telling him this as well.
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Speaker 13: I'm not sure. I'm yeah, look, I'm not sure about
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Speaker 13: the quality of the advice that he's getting on some
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Speaker 13: of these issues. I know there's a couple of people
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Speaker 13: in his office who are very good. And there's probably
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Speaker 13: one or two who I don't know why. I would
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Speaker 13: never name names, but I would not know why they
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Speaker 13: were there in the first place.
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Speaker 2: But I do it. But Chris Mens though his instincts,
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Speaker 2: heart in the right place. Someone video to speech. He
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Speaker 2: gave it Central Synagogue in Sydney on Friday night, and
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Speaker 2: he really gets it. You could just see. Yeah, he
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Speaker 2: speaks from the heart when he about this, and he
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Speaker 2: doesn't shy away. You know, he says, I take responsibility.
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Speaker 2: We haven't done enough. You know. I try and get
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Speaker 2: him on the show. I don't know why he doesn't
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Speaker 2: come in the show.
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Speaker 5: He could direct he's police minister to make sure the
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Speaker 5: police act because they haven't been.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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Speaker 13: He's introducing new laws very well.
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Speaker 5: The mends to be mister nys guy and get up
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Speaker 5: there and say all the right things. But until he
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Speaker 5: gets control of that police minister and makes her either
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Speaker 5: be moved aside and someone else put in so that
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Speaker 5: the police actually act as they should have done at
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Speaker 5: the opera House right from the beginning, or even the
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Speaker 5: other night in Elizabeth Street.
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Speaker 13: He's introducing new laws so the police have clear grounds
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Speaker 13: to be able to do that, and that is something comprehends.
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Speaker 2: Doing outside of synagogue or places of worship. You know,
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Speaker 2: he recognizes the problem and he moves to act on it.
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Speaker 2: And I think absolutely protest should have been bound outside
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Speaker 2: places of worship a long time ago. Let's move on
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Speaker 2: to this extraordinary story coming out of New York. Please
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Speaker 2: have arrested and charged Luigi Mangioni with a shocking public
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Speaker 2: murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: a twenty six year old He was recognized by an
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Speaker 2: employee at McDonald's in Pennsylvania, who then called the police.
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Speaker 13: But I think, what's employee of the month. I have
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Speaker 13: to say, what an extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Effort employee of the world from McDonald's. But so absurd
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Speaker 2: about this is how some Americans we've seen this on
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Speaker 2: social media are now idolizing this assassin. They're worshiping him
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Speaker 2: as a hero because of some bizarre anti corporate sentiment
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Speaker 2: in the United States.
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Speaker 5: This man is a socialist, he is revolutionary in that
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Speaker 5: sense his behavior and the man is charged is yet
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Speaker 5: to be tried and called law and he hasn't pleaded,
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Speaker 5: so we don't know what situation that is. But if
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Speaker 5: he is found to be guilty and the manifesto that
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Speaker 5: he put out that he is a socialist, and this
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Speaker 5: is what happens when elites. If it is him, the
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Speaker 5: elite upbringing, he is captured by the socialist doctrines, then
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Speaker 5: that's when they start to go off the whales. And
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Speaker 5: it doesn't matter whether it's the Marxist doctrine or the
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Speaker 5: National Socialist doctrine, or the Hotel or the Chinese Communist
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Speaker 5: Party doctrine. It is all socialism and the end is inevitable,
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Speaker 5: so we have to be very careful. They're the same
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Speaker 5: sort of people who were would be assassin's of Donald Trump,
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Speaker 5: same sort of people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrifying. Joe, as Bodwin just mentioned, he did
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Speaker 2: have a privileged upbringing with socialist any more about his background,
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Speaker 2: went to an Ivy League school. I mean, what's this
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Speaker 2: is just such a shocking, bizarre stoctor.
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Speaker 13: People seem to think that socialism or socialist radicals are
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Speaker 13: people who appear organically from the working class.
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Speaker 4: That is not true.
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Speaker 13: That is not true. Socialism is an agree with Bondman,
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Speaker 13: Socialism is an incredibly dangerous and violent doctrine, and it
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Speaker 13: is one that is deliberately imposed upon people from the
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Speaker 13: top down. Carl Martz came from a family of lawyers
22:14
Speaker 13: who owned vineyards. Frederick Engel's family literally owned factories that
22:19
Speaker 13: the workers worked in, and between them, these guys wrote
22:22
Speaker 13: the Communist manifesto and told the workers what was good
22:25
Speaker 13: for them, what was in their interest. These are hopelessly
22:29
Speaker 13: misguided people. They are ideologues for whom the ideology and
22:32
Speaker 13: the theory is more important than any individual human life,
22:36
Speaker 13: and that all human life.
22:37
Speaker 2: To this case, a twenty six year a young guy
22:42
Speaker 2: waits for hours and hours outside it.
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Speaker 13: For the cause, for the cause. That's right, because they
22:47
Speaker 13: believe that people are imbued with that beliefsiety of the cause.
22:51
Speaker 2: That's what happens, absolutely true to the cause.
22:53
Speaker 5: And the people who are now feeling some sort of
22:56
Speaker 5: empathy towards this man are of the same ilk. Which
22:59
Speaker 5: is why it is so important, why it is desperately
23:02
Speaker 5: important that we can take control of the sorts of
23:06
Speaker 5: things that are taught in our institutions, because we saw,
23:10
Speaker 5: we've seen what's happened when the curriculum is such that
23:14
Speaker 5: the behavior that was tolerated with those demonstrations in our
23:18
Speaker 5: universities and the violence that was together with it.
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Speaker 2: This is what happens. I mean, there's also, of cost,
23:25
Speaker 2: the issue of gun laws in the States.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right. Look, we need to deal with that.
23:30
Speaker 13: And strangely, the left hasn't been outraged about the proliferation
23:32
Speaker 13: of arms on this person's body allegedly. But again, it
23:36
Speaker 13: is people, I think romanticizing what is fundamentally a simplistic, stupid,
23:43
Speaker 13: dangerous and ultimately violent ideology. It's the people who wear
23:47
Speaker 13: the shape of our T shirts and say this is
23:49
Speaker 13: all just this is all just fun and games. We
23:51
Speaker 13: run around at UNI and we say these things and
23:53
Speaker 13: down with capitalism and fight the power and you know,
23:56
Speaker 13: tear down the pageboll whatever whatever. And there are people
23:59
Speaker 13: out there who probably have some bad wiring in their brains,
24:04
Speaker 13: but they take all this stuff like all fundamentalists, like
24:07
Speaker 13: you know, Islamic extremists, white supremacists, like all extremists, like
24:11
Speaker 13: all fundamentalists. They take this stuff literally. Then they take
24:14
Speaker 13: matters into their own hands. And this is what happens.
24:17
Speaker 13: It's no different to you know, a live streaming of
24:19
Speaker 13: the massacre at de monsohere not.
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Speaker 5: Lacking in brain, part because he allegedly printed the gun.
24:25
Speaker 13: Yeah, well that's right. He's a Friday printer. But I think.
24:29
Speaker 2: I don't understand how those three D printers look. All right,
24:31
Speaker 2: Brow and Bishop Joe hulde Brand, it's been great to
24:34
Speaker 2: have you on the show. This crosses our last week
24:36
Speaker 2: before the Christmas break. I find that I agree with you, Robin.
24:39
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's been more than I do it.
24:41
Speaker 13: I know it's funny, but that's the celebration of ideas
24:44
Speaker 13: the context.
24:45
Speaker 2: Christy, Yes, indeed, well Christmas. Well, speaking of Christmas, there
24:51
Speaker 2: was no Christmas miracle from the IBA today. It was
24:53
Speaker 2: their final meeting for the year. They left the cash
24:56
Speaker 2: rade and hold at four point three five percent, unsurprising
25:01
Speaker 2: of course, because underlying inflation is still above the RBA's
25:04
Speaker 2: target at three point five percent. Here was the Governor,
25:08
Speaker 2: Michelle Bullock speaking earlier.
25:10
Speaker 10: The board needs to be confident that inflation is moving
25:13
Speaker 10: sustainably towards the target, and for this to occur, we
25:17
Speaker 10: need to see more progress on underlying inflation coming down.
25:21
Speaker 2: Okay, let's bring in now Judo Bank Chief Economic Advisor
25:24
Speaker 2: Warren Hogan. Warren, good to see you again. Look was
25:27
Speaker 2: there anything you found particularly different or surprising from what
25:32
Speaker 2: the RBA governor had to say today.
25:35
Speaker 12: Yeah, Hi, Sherry, I think we saw a pretty big
25:37
Speaker 12: shift today. They didn't move the right, but they did
25:41
Speaker 12: change the policy statement and the language and the implied
25:46
Speaker 12: guidance from that. They've removed all references to the risk
25:51
Speaker 12: of upside surprises in inflation, and they're talking about that.
25:57
Speaker 12: They're getting more comfortable with the outlook. The market is
26:00
Speaker 12: completely run with this, of course, and has seen the
26:04
Speaker 12: pricing in financial markets moved to price in a rate
26:07
Speaker 12: cup for February fully priced for April. I think that's
26:12
Speaker 12: a bit of an overreaction, but I think the Board
26:16
Speaker 12: is clearly wanting to pull back on the rhetoric of
26:19
Speaker 12: the last six months, that is trying to draw by
26:22
Speaker 12: the economy that is, get an effect of higher rates
26:26
Speaker 12: without actually having the high rates.
26:28
Speaker 2: You just said then that a rate cut in February
26:32
Speaker 2: or even in the first quarrida of next year was
26:34
Speaker 2: probably too optimistic. I mean, realistically, when do you think
26:39
Speaker 2: we could expect a rate cut.
26:43
Speaker 12: It's very uncertain, and of course with this guidance, it's
26:47
Speaker 12: going to play to a lot of views that are
26:49
Speaker 12: already out there that the economy is weak, that a
26:52
Speaker 12: lot of economists have this rate cup in their forecast.
26:57
Speaker 12: I think that they're still very much on because the
27:01
Speaker 12: reality of our economy is, as you showed, inflation is
27:05
Speaker 12: still above target, and as the governor said and you showed,
27:09
Speaker 12: they are not going to cut rates until not only
27:11
Speaker 12: are they confident inflation is back to target, but it
27:14
Speaker 12: will stay there. And I still think that's a long
27:17
Speaker 12: way off. So there's a big break now until the
27:20
Speaker 12: next meeting, almost ten weeks, and we're going to have
27:23
Speaker 12: a lot of data between now and then.
27:26
Speaker 2: But I can definitely no chance of a February rate cut,
27:30
Speaker 2: because I know that the Labor Party is hoping that
27:33
Speaker 2: there will be a rate cut in February that can
27:35
Speaker 2: announce the federal election campaign off the back of that
27:38
Speaker 2: and claim that the cost of living crisis is over.
27:43
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, you certainly can't rule it out. And I
27:46
Speaker 12: think if we see a significant shift in the economy
27:50
Speaker 12: in the next few months, it could happen, but I'm
27:52
Speaker 12: not expecting to see that. If anything, we're getting signs
27:55
Speaker 12: that consumer spending's picking up, and of course I think
27:58
Speaker 12: the risk with that is that the move will be
28:00
Speaker 12: interpreted as political and that's of course very damaging for
28:03
Speaker 12: their credibility in Australia's reputation internationally. So look, I don't
28:07
Speaker 12: think we'll get a rate cut in February. I think
28:09
Speaker 12: the government pushed back in the press conference on that,
28:11
Speaker 12: and I still think that they're unlikely to go before
28:14
Speaker 12: May because I think our economy is actually going to
28:17
Speaker 12: be picking up a bit at place going into the
28:19
Speaker 12: new year.
28:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Warren Hogan, thank you very much for
28:22
Speaker 2: your time. Now still to come, just Center Price would
28:26
Speaker 2: join me after Peter Dutton's pledge to drop the Aboriginal
28:29
Speaker 2: flag from press conferences, plus Pennywong accused of vilifying Israel
28:34
Speaker 2: and fanning the flames of anti Semitism. Dave Sharma would
28:38
Speaker 2: join me next after this quick break. Welcome back. As
28:45
Speaker 2: we've been speaking about tonight, Foreign Minister Pennywong has outrageously
28:49
Speaker 2: compared the liberal democracy of Israel to dictatorships Russia and China. Israel,
28:55
Speaker 2: which is under existential threat as it fights for its survivor.
29:00
Speaker 2: Now these are inflammatory remarks when anti Semitism is at
29:04
Speaker 2: fever pitch. As I've told you tonight, Shadow Home Affairs
29:07
Speaker 2: Minister James Patterson told me today that pennywong slur continues
29:12
Speaker 2: Labour's campaign of vilification against the Jewish state. He said
29:16
Speaker 2: it contributes to the climate of fear that Jewish Australians
29:19
Speaker 2: are feeling right now. And I brought you liberal Senator
29:22
Speaker 2: and Australia's former ambassador to Israel, Dave Shima's comments before
29:27
Speaker 2: and I'm pleased to say he joins me live now
29:31
Speaker 2: Dave Shima, welcome to the show once again. Look, what
29:34
Speaker 2: are your thoughts. Do you think Pennywong needs to calm
29:37
Speaker 2: down herretoric because she's founding the flames of antisemitism with
29:42
Speaker 2: her constant criticism of the Jewish state.
29:47
Speaker 6: I think her remarks in her prepared speech and these
29:51
Speaker 6: were prepared remarks, but outrageous and outrageous comparison, but particularly
29:56
Speaker 6: inflammatory in the days after the Jewish community israeling from
30:00
Speaker 6: the shock of the fire, Bob meaning of the a
30:02
Speaker 6: Dutch singogue.
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Speaker 1: We all need to be careful with our language at
30:05
Speaker 1: this time.
30:06
Speaker 6: And comparing Israel a liberal democratic say that is fighting
30:11
Speaker 6: for its survival, that was attacked unprovoked on the seventh
30:14
Speaker 6: of October and has been attacked many times subsequently since
30:17
Speaker 6: with expansionist autocratic powers like China and Russia simply condones
30:24
Speaker 6: and encourages the sort of anti Israel sentiment we've seen
30:28
Speaker 6: on the streets, which is becoming very quickly anti Semitic
30:31
Speaker 6: and anti Jewish as well. So I think it was
30:33
Speaker 6: a particularly ill timed intervention by the Foreign Minister, and
30:36
Speaker 6: I think she should be much more careful with her language,
30:39
Speaker 6: given she is Australia's chief diplomat.
30:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, for Australia's chief diplomat, she doesn't use very
30:46
Speaker 2: diplomatic language when it comes to Israel. Dave Sharma, when
30:49
Speaker 2: we spoke a bit earlier, the quote you gave me
30:52
Speaker 2: that I played on the screen, you said, it's effectively
30:55
Speaker 2: like a dog whistle. Can you expand on that.
31:00
Speaker 6: It is it's effectively condoning and encouraging people who are
31:05
Speaker 6: inclined to vilify Israel and consequently villify the Jewish people.
31:11
Speaker 6: So it's effectively giving a license or creating a permissive
31:14
Speaker 6: environment for people to go out and continue to say
31:18
Speaker 6: that Israel is guilty of the most monstrous crimes and
31:20
Speaker 6: the Jewish people in Australia should be held accountable for that. Now,
31:24
Speaker 6: that might not be the Foreign Minister's intention, but the
31:27
Speaker 6: way she is using language in a very loose and
31:30
Speaker 6: ill disciplined fashion like this, it can only have that consequence.
31:34
Speaker 6: And surely by now the Prime Minister and other senior
31:38
Speaker 6: labor ministers should have learned the lesson that they all
31:40
Speaker 6: need to be more caref with their public utterances to
31:43
Speaker 6: take some of the temperature out of this issue in Australia.
31:46
Speaker 6: But they are singularly failing to do so. And I'm
31:50
Speaker 6: just shocked that, as I said, a few days after
31:53
Speaker 6: the synagogue was firebombed, we're still seeing labor ministers speaking
31:56
Speaker 6: in such inflammatory terms.
31:59
Speaker 2: Not only that, but saw Chris Bowen yesterday and then
32:02
Speaker 2: Ed Husick today. They can't talk about anti Semitism without
32:06
Speaker 2: speaking about Islamophobia. I mean, what's their problem?
32:11
Speaker 1: I just find it so hard to explain.
32:14
Speaker 6: I mean, do you need to name check every form
32:17
Speaker 6: of discrimination when you were talking about one that is
32:19
Speaker 6: particularly problematic.
32:22
Speaker 1: It just strikes me as so weird.
32:24
Speaker 6: If they're you know, if and when evidence of Islamophobia
32:28
Speaker 6: presents itself, yes we should condemn it, we should discuss it.
32:31
Speaker 6: But I've seen synagogue's being file bombed. I haven't seen
32:34
Speaker 6: moss being filed bombed. I've seen Jewish people have their
32:37
Speaker 6: details out and publicly docs. I've seen Jewish owned businesses
32:42
Speaker 6: defaced with graffiti. I've seen an increase in armed presence
32:46
Speaker 6: outside Jewish schools, Jewish religious institutions, Jewish hospitals. That is
32:51
Speaker 6: not happening to any other religious community in Australia. So
32:54
Speaker 6: I don't see why it is so hard for them
32:57
Speaker 6: to recognize this for what it is, Anti Semitism treated
33:00
Speaker 6: as a priority, rather than saying, you know, it's one
33:03
Speaker 6: of the hosts of a number of societal ills that
33:05
Speaker 6: we should be dealing with. This is a problem that
33:07
Speaker 6: is out of control at emergency levels in Australia. But
33:11
Speaker 6: the Albanizi government still seems to be treating it as
33:13
Speaker 6: a business as usual proposition.
33:16
Speaker 2: And you know, the Albanizi government, after quite intense pressure
33:20
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, let me tell you, they eventually announced
33:23
Speaker 2: thirty two million dollars in funding for security for the
33:27
Speaker 2: Jewish community. But then Dave Sharma, they went and said
33:31
Speaker 2: that it can't be used for armed guards. I mean,
33:34
Speaker 2: how do they want the guards to protect synagogues and schools,
33:38
Speaker 2: like with a wet lettice. It's absurd.
33:43
Speaker 1: It is absurd, and I mean it is also I
33:47
Speaker 1: don't know.
33:48
Speaker 6: I welcome the additional security funding, but it's also treating
33:53
Speaker 6: the symptoms rather than the disease. The disease that we've
33:55
Speaker 6: got is anti Semitism. And you know, all the armed
33:58
Speaker 6: guards in the world going to make the Jewish community
34:01
Speaker 6: feel safe if they are if they are constantly being vilified, harassed, menace,
34:07
Speaker 6: you know, whether it's if it's not happening physically, if
34:09
Speaker 6: it's happening online, if it's happening to their businesses. That's
34:11
Speaker 6: what the government needs to be addressing, and I wish
34:13
Speaker 6: they would demonstrate that sort of resolve to tackling the
34:16
Speaker 6: causes of this antisemitism we're seeing in Australia.
34:20
Speaker 2: I just want to turn now before you go to
34:22
Speaker 2: the file of the Assad regime in Syria. Look, there
34:25
Speaker 2: have been celebrations also some notes of caution. The rebels
34:30
Speaker 2: who have seized the country are still well at least
34:32
Speaker 2: some of them have been part of Islamic State al
34:36
Speaker 2: Kaeda style groups in the past. How do you interpret
34:40
Speaker 2: the move and are you a bit concerned about what
34:43
Speaker 2: the regime will look like.
34:45
Speaker 6: Well, I'm certainly cautious, you know. Undoubtedly I think the
34:51
Speaker 6: departure of the Assad.
34:52
Speaker 1: Regime is a good thing.
34:54
Speaker 6: He was one of the most murderous, destabilizing rulers in
34:58
Speaker 6: the Middle East, cruel and oppressive towards his own people.
35:02
Speaker 6: And he was part of the Iranian led access to
35:05
Speaker 6: Resistance of block which has caused so much misery and
35:08
Speaker 6: destabilization in the reader. So that is a good thing.
35:10
Speaker 6: But we're right to be cautious about what takes us place.
35:13
Speaker 6: I mean, heyat Teria Olscham, Yes, it was an offshoot
35:17
Speaker 6: of al Qaida.
35:17
Speaker 1: Al Jelani, the leader of.
35:18
Speaker 6: HTS got his start joining al Qaida in Iraq in
35:22
Speaker 6: two thousand and three, So we should be very cautious
35:25
Speaker 6: about this group.
35:26
Speaker 1: It's still a listed.
35:27
Speaker 6: Terrorist organization, but they have said, at least initially that
35:32
Speaker 6: they intend to respect serious ethnic and religious diversity.
35:36
Speaker 1: We need to hold them to that. But we shouldn't
35:39
Speaker 1: be getting carried away.
35:40
Speaker 6: I mean, I hope the future for Serria is better
35:42
Speaker 6: than the past fifty years under the Assad regimb has been.
35:46
Speaker 1: But it would be a native to expect that to
35:48
Speaker 1: be the case.
35:50
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed they look at shows the weakness of Russia
35:54
Speaker 2: and Iran, no question. But again, I remember when the
35:56
Speaker 2: Taliban returned to power after Joe Biden's to withdrawal, and
36:00
Speaker 2: the Taliban promised they were was going to be a
36:03
Speaker 2: new era for women, and now we're seeing women living
36:06
Speaker 2: in the most oppressive circumstances in Afghanistan in recent history.
36:11
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma really appreciate your time. Thank you. Now, coming
36:15
Speaker 2: up after the break, Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell
36:18
Speaker 2: will join me live. That's a bit later on. I'll
36:20
Speaker 2: get her take on the latest news about the hostage deal,
36:24
Speaker 2: her reaction to Pennywong Syria, also the humiliating travel warning
36:28
Speaker 2: for Australia. But first, right after the break, just Enterprice
36:32
Speaker 2: would join me to discuss Peter Dutton's call that the
36:35
Speaker 2: Aboriginal flag not be shown at press conferences. Just Enterprise
36:40
Speaker 2: coming up next well. Opposition leader Peter Dutton has sparked
36:47
Speaker 2: quite a fiery debate after his vow to cut the
36:50
Speaker 2: Aboriginal and Torres Straight Island of flags from press conferences
36:54
Speaker 2: if he becomes Prime minister. Here he was with my
36:58
Speaker 2: colleague Peter Credlin last night.
37:01
Speaker 1: We are dividing our country unnecessarily.
37:03
Speaker 8: Now we should have respect for the indigenous flag and
37:05
Speaker 8: the Torres straight hol in the flag, but they are
37:07
Speaker 8: not our national flags.
37:09
Speaker 1: And I think the Prime Minister sends a very confusing message.
37:13
Speaker 2: But Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth called the move divisive.
37:19
Speaker 11: I think this says Peter Dunn just doing what he
37:21
Speaker 11: knows how to do best, try and get a headline
37:24
Speaker 11: with no substance, no real policies about, for example, tackling
37:28
Speaker 11: cost of living or things that really matter to the
37:32
Speaker 11: Australian people.
37:34
Speaker 2: All Right, I'm Joe now Bays Shadow Indigenous Affairs Minister,
37:37
Speaker 2: Just Center Price, Just Center, thank you so much for
37:39
Speaker 2: your time. Once again, Look, do you agree with Peter
37:42
Speaker 2: Dutton that there should be only one Australian flag behind
37:46
Speaker 2: him at press conferences? Look absolutely, Shari.
37:51
Speaker 14: And in fact, what the country doesn't realize is that
37:55
Speaker 14: when Peter and I delivered a press conference on October fourteen,
38:00
Speaker 14: when the referendum results came in, that is exactly what
38:03
Speaker 14: we did. We stood in front of just the Australian
38:07
Speaker 14: flag because after that result particularly, it was evident to
38:12
Speaker 14: us that the Australian people one day united Australia, where
38:16
Speaker 14: we are all represented by one flag, and we have
38:20
Speaker 14: to remember there were those that gave their lives for
38:23
Speaker 14: our freedoms in this country and did so united as one,
38:26
Speaker 14: people of various different backgrounds, including Indigenous under the Australian flag.
38:33
Speaker 2: What's your response to people like Commander Rishworth, who we
38:36
Speaker 2: just heard claim this is simply a move that will
38:39
Speaker 2: divide Australians.
38:42
Speaker 14: Well, Amanda Rishworth evidently does not seem to have the
38:48
Speaker 14: same cares for marginalized Indigenous Australians, particularly when she and
38:53
Speaker 14: her government decided to remove the Young Cashlist debit card
38:58
Speaker 14: from some of our most vulnerable communities and she's failed
39:01
Speaker 14: to return to those communities. If she really cared for
39:04
Speaker 14: Indigenous Australians, she would never have removed that in the
39:07
Speaker 14: first place and allowed for the rivers of grog to
39:12
Speaker 14: flow once more. So you know, they can say whatever
39:16
Speaker 14: they want, but ultimately we're about bringing Australians together. And
39:20
Speaker 14: I know that Peter Dutton cares a lot for marginalized
39:23
Speaker 14: Indigenous Australians and is prepared to tackle the hard issues
39:27
Speaker 14: instead of pandering to the green voters on the inner cities.
39:33
Speaker 2: Look another, we're coming up to the end of the year.
39:36
Speaker 2: We've got Australia Day next month. I can't believe Australia
39:39
Speaker 2: Days next month, but it is late next month. Of course,
39:43
Speaker 2: there's the perennial debate about whether there should be a
39:45
Speaker 2: change of date for Australia Day or not. What's your
39:48
Speaker 2: view on this issue.
39:52
Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, I've always been strong in the fact that
39:54
Speaker 14: we should be celebrating Australia Day on the twenty sixth
39:57
Speaker 14: of January for a number of different reasons. You know,
40:01
Speaker 14: many new Australians became citizens.
40:03
Speaker 2: On that day.
40:04
Speaker 14: We shouldn't be taking that away from those citizens, the
40:07
Speaker 14: fact that we all became Australian citizens on that very
40:10
Speaker 14: day in nineteen forty nine under the Citizenship Act. But
40:16
Speaker 14: you know what for those that are continually aggrieved if
40:19
Speaker 14: we chose a different date, but there'd be some reason
40:22
Speaker 14: as to why we shouldn't celebrate it on that day.
40:24
Speaker 14: And I think the agrieve just don't want to celebrate
40:27
Speaker 14: Australia full stop. I think those of us who want
40:30
Speaker 14: to celebrate this great country, black white brindle should be
40:33
Speaker 14: able to go ahead and do so, and I feel
40:37
Speaker 14: more so now than ever, Australians want to come together,
40:42
Speaker 14: stop putting ourselves down as a country and be proud
40:45
Speaker 14: of who we are as a country.
40:47
Speaker 2: On January twenty sixth, and what's your view and the
40:51
Speaker 2: welcomes of country ceremonies and how often they should be done?
40:55
Speaker 2: I mean it is a possibility that you will be
40:57
Speaker 2: the Indigenous Affairs Minister in a few shot months time.
41:01
Speaker 2: If you are in that position, what would your comment
41:04
Speaker 2: be on how often these ceremonies are performed?
41:09
Speaker 14: Sure, Well, look, I don't think they're necessary all the time.
41:12
Speaker 14: I really don't, and I don't believe that. I often
41:15
Speaker 14: think that our bureaucracy is held up because of the
41:19
Speaker 14: fact that the acknowledgments occur before every meeting around every boardroom,
41:23
Speaker 14: or every teams or Skype meeting that takes place, and
41:27
Speaker 14: our efforts will be focused on bringing forward a common
41:32
Speaker 14: sense approach to produce outcomes as opposed to all of
41:36
Speaker 14: this symbolism and tokenism which seem to not actually close
41:42
Speaker 14: the gap or change the lives of marginalized Indigenous Australians
41:45
Speaker 14: in any positive way. So I don't see that.
41:48
Speaker 2: They are necessary.
41:49
Speaker 14: Keep them for you know, really special occasions, but otherwise
41:53
Speaker 14: I think Australians are pretty much over that level of
41:56
Speaker 14: tokenism in our country now.
41:58
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of recent reporting in the Herald
42:01
Speaker 2: Sign and the Daily Telegraph around the First Nation's ambassador,
42:05
Speaker 2: Justin Muhammad, a role which is costing tax payers seven
42:09
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty thousand dollars over two years. According to
42:13
Speaker 2: the Courier Mail. We are seeing that the cost are
42:16
Speaker 2: soaring even higher with defact giving a contract role as
42:21
Speaker 2: well for several hundred thousand dollars. What's your view on
42:24
Speaker 2: whether this is necessary. I don't think it's necessary at all.
42:30
Speaker 14: It's really unclear as to the role of this ambassador
42:34
Speaker 14: and if they have to spend two hundred and fifty
42:37
Speaker 14: million dollars to contract to contract another agency to create policy,
42:44
Speaker 14: then what is the ambassador actually themselves doing in this
42:49
Speaker 14: particular role. Isn't it his responsibility to create policy. It's
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Speaker 14: really unclear, and so this is why going forward, if
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Speaker 14: we are to take government, we won't have this.
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Speaker 2: Role any longer.
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Speaker 14: We will abolish it and utilize those funds to actually
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Speaker 14: improve the lives of marginalized Indigenous Australians and again ensure
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Speaker 14: that we are represented internationally by one ambassador and Australian ambassador.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of absurd the double up. There's also an
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Speaker 2: indigenous foreign policy, a regular foreign policy, just enterprise. Really
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time as always, Thank you so much. Now,
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Speaker 2: don't go anywhere. I'm going to Cross Live to Israel
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Speaker 2: next to discuss net and ya who making Time Magazines
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Speaker 2: Person of the Year's short list, plus the latest on
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Speaker 2: the hostage negotiations. The Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharon Haskell
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Speaker 2: will join me next. Well, let's Cross Live to Israel now,
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Speaker 2: and I'm joined by Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Charen
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Speaker 2: Hascal Scharen so good to see you as always. Look,
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Speaker 2: Penniwong has accused Israel of being like Russia and China.
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Speaker 2: She's accused it of not abiding by international law. This
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Speaker 2: is in a major speech she gave overnight. What's your
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Speaker 2: view on this comparison with the liberal democracy of Israel
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Speaker 2: to the dictatorships of China and Russia. Do you accept
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Speaker 2: that comparison?
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Speaker 4: Well, that's extremely disappointing to hear, especially during these historical times.
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Speaker 4: Israel is fighting the excess of evil, Iran. This is
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Speaker 4: not just Israel wars, but this is a Third World
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Speaker 4: war between radical Islam and between our societies, our value
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Speaker 4: values of freedom of democracy, equality, women's right, freedom of religion.
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Speaker 2: That is the actual war. And when you see.
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Speaker 4: Iran joining together forces, strategic forces, with China, with Russia,
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Speaker 4: with North Korea military training together there armies to have
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Speaker 4: a state and like that by the Foreign Minister of
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Speaker 4: Australia is at least from a point that doesn't really
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Speaker 4: understand the geopolitics in the last year situation in the
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Speaker 4: Middle East at all. And it's very sad to hear that.
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Speaker 4: It is more said of the decision of Australia on
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Speaker 4: their voting in the General Assembly at the United Nation,
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Speaker 4: which really means that they are rewarding, you know, from
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Speaker 4: US a terrorist organization declaring that after the worst massacre
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Speaker 4: of Jews since the Holocaust, Australia will reward them with
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Speaker 4: a state with no precondition, without returning any of our
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Speaker 4: family members who have been held for more than a
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Speaker 4: year in their dungeons of terror. And you know, Sherry,
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Speaker 4: that's extremely disappointing for US.
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Speaker 2: I have to say, it just continues this trend of
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Speaker 2: Australia's hostile foreign policies towards Israel. Your Prime Minister Nathania
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Speaker 2: who posted on the wakend. He was talking about the
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Speaker 2: terror attack at the adask Synagogan Melbourne, and he said, unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: it's impossible to separate this reprehensible act from the extreme
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Speaker 2: anti Israeli position of the Labor government in Australia. He said,
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Speaker 2: anti Israel's sentiment is anti Semitism Sharand do you agree
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Speaker 2: that the Albanese government has fostered a climate where antisemitism
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Speaker 2: can flourish?
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately we haven't seen serious measures to enforce the hatred
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Speaker 4: and racism towards shoes in Australia.
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Speaker 2: You see those really.
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Speaker 4: Maybe anti Israel, but very much also anti Jewish protests
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Speaker 4: when they go and march in the Sydney Opera House
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Speaker 4: and they shant gas the Jews. What kind of message
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Speaker 4: does that sin was that tolerated? Was that these people
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Speaker 4: were persecuted, arrested, anything legally that was done to them,
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Speaker 4: or were they free to go and continue their arches
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Speaker 4: of hatred and and slogans that really calls for violence?
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Speaker 4: How would you interpret any other way someone that is
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Speaker 4: calling out publicly in demonstrations gass the Jews. Well a
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Speaker 4: year later when that continued on, they would go to
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Speaker 4: a synagogue and would try to murder them, to create
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Speaker 4: a terrorist attack. And so we are beyond words. Words
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Speaker 4: have been said many many times past the year. This
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Speaker 4: is the time for actions, and I think that this
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Speaker 4: government has to combat the hatred and racism towards Jewish community.
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Speaker 4: And yes, I completely agree with the Prime Minister any
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Speaker 4: I think he said it pretty clearly that the anti
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Speaker 4: Israeli motions that are coming from this current government, unfortunately
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Speaker 4: you cannot separate them with the rise of hatred towards
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Speaker 4: the Jewish community and it's very disappointing. I'm I'm hoping
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Speaker 4: for the future when we can rely on our allies.
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Speaker 2: As it got to the point, do you think now
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Speaker 2: where the NAT in Yahoo government of which you are
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Speaker 2: now a part, You know you might not consider Australia
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Speaker 2: under this government an ally.
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Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you that we feel like we
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Speaker 4: cannot rely on them, and I really pray and hope
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Speaker 4: for better days when we can rely on Australia as
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Speaker 4: our allies.
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Speaker 2: We had an.
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Speaker 4: Extremely good relationship throughout the years. A lot of mutual corporations,
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Speaker 4: to the point where Australia was one of the first
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Speaker 4: countries to actually vote in favor of creating, you know,
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Speaker 4: the founding of the Jewish state here in Israel. So
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Speaker 4: you know, I and it's beyond my own personal disappointment,
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Speaker 4: I think it's very disappointing for the Israeli public and
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Speaker 4: the people who see Australia as one of its greatest allies.
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Speaker 4: And unfortunately, you know, we feel like we cannot rely
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Speaker 4: at this moment on this current government.
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Speaker 2: Such a such a disappointing state of affairs, no question, Sharon,
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Speaker 2: I want to get your We've already got a minute left. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's the latest on the hostage negotiations. We are hearing
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Speaker 2: reports that this is underway. Are they accurate?
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Speaker 4: So we need to be extremely cautious. You know, even
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Speaker 4: just a couple of months ago, there.
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Speaker 2: Were three proposals.
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Speaker 4: The Katari, the Egyptians and the Russian. Israel said yes
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Speaker 4: to all these deals, but unfortunately Kamas said no. We
49:37
Speaker 4: do notice that there is I mean, Hamas didn't rejected
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Speaker 4: it completely, and there's some positive motion and some breakthrough.
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Speaker 4: But I'm being very very cautious. We are praying that
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Speaker 4: we will be able to bring back our family members
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Speaker 4: as quickly as possible, and I really hope we'll be
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Speaker 4: able to bring some good news and in the next
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Sharan Haskell, really appreciate your time. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much. And of course before you all, before
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Speaker 2: you all flogged me with emails, we all heard gas
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Speaker 2: the Jews. The police gas lit us and claimed it
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Speaker 2: was where's the Jews? Either way, it was anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: That's it from me. He's Danika di Giorgio