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What dictionary definition? | HBR Talk 314 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three fourteen. What Dictionary Definition? I'm
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  your host Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and the personification of perceptivity
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  Mike Stevenson. And tonight we're going to answer the accusation that we're misrepresenting the
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  Suffragettes because the dictionary definition tells us everything we need to know about feminism.
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  hopefully I'm not talking out of my ass on that either, because if I
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  am, my headset's really going to stink in the morning, and I still
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  got to use it. But with that, we can get on with the
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  what I've got up on the screen. As you can see, I have
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  the dictionary definition. Believe this one is dictionary dot com, because this is
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  the one people send me to all the time. A dictionary definition. Yes,
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  and that's that's the That is the key right there, A dictionary defe
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  This is the one that equity feminists really like to give everybody. They'll send
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  you pictures of this, they'll send you copies of it where it says that
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  feminism is the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the
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  sexes, and that's all it says. It doesn't say anything else, which
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  isn't the classic definition of feminism. And it's definitely not the pre politic definition
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  of feminism because before the definition of feminism was political, it was synonymous with
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  femininity. So if you described a woman's feminism, you were describing her feminine
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  characteristics, not her political outlook. And it was god, I can't think
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  of his name, a socialist who organized some some communes. Yeah, the
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  French guy. I can't think of his name. God, that's horrible.
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  Fourier, yes, Fourier, Sorry, but yeah, it was Charles Fourier
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  who coined the use of the term feminism to describe the political advocacy, but
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  not as this definition describes it. So we have if you Google search this
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  because I get told all the time to google it. So dictionary dot com
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  says that, right. But if you scroll down to Britannica, Britannica says
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  feminism the belief in social, economic and political equality of the sexes. It
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  has to be real specific there. Although largely originating in the West, feminism
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  is manifested worldwide dot dot dot and then it has a whole article. Merriam
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  Webster says, the meaning of feminism is belief and advocacy of the political,
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  economic, and social equality of the sexes, expressed especially through and I'm sure
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  it's activism and stuff like that. Of course, some of them have the
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  two definitions that that's what Merriam Webster had the last time, sorry, had
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  had an a definition and definition? Yeah, was it all about equality?
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  B is it's all about women? Yep? God, it helpful to to
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  delineate those those two things. The thing they say is oh yeah, oh
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  yeah, and and it is there is a and a bailey there. Then
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  you have Wikipedia talks about it as a range of social, political movements and
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  ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and
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  social equality of obviously the sexes. And as you get into different organizations.
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  Now we have the International Women's Development Agency, which anybody tries to drop me
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  in developing acid, I am going to knock you out. That's that's not
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  okay, okay, that's bad for your skin. But and and also I
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  don't I don't even have any fixing agent. Sou But says that feminism is
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  about all genders. So I guess they mean all seventy two or one hundred
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  and forty four or twenty eight or three or whatever number is correct today.
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  Having you invent tomorrow, it could very well be nonsense sexual. And they
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  go, well, it's it's we're about all genders. Yeah, there's no
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  cap on that. There's no cap on seventy two or seven hundred and twenty.
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  So any gender you can think of feminism is behind it, except male
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  obviously. Yeah. I uh, all right, that's it. I'm going
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  to start identifying as a butt crack. Then you have to address me with
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  a straight face while picturing that for the rest of your life until I change
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  my mind, which might be five minutes from now, because I am a
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  woman, and we do that. But yeah, all equal rights and opportunities.
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  And then they go into the whole diversity, women's experiences, identities,
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  women's knowledge, you know, the whole women's ways of knowing, which apparently
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  don't include logic, reason and facts. Cambridge Dictionary calls feminism a belief.
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  It's a belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power and opportunities
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  as men and be treated the same way. I don't think they would like
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  it if they were treated the same way. I don't. I don't think
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  I would like it if I was treated I don't like it when I get
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  treated like a man. Sometimes I do get treated like a man, and
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  I don't anyone who's been misgendered more than you. It's fun on Twitter to
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  understand that Hannah is a woman's name. No, they don't woman's defending men.
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  It must be a man. And they never got in trouble for misgender
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  even during Twitter one point. Yeah no, no, the guy that was
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  trying to get me banned. Did it quite a bit right? He misgendered
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  me over and over again and didn't get banned, didn't get banned, but
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  he finally called one of my followers a racial slur. That did it.
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  So there there you go. He was trying to get away with it by
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  saying, but I put the word house in front of it. Yeah,
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  I'm like, yeah, no, that that's not how it works. All
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  sorts of epithets, none of which I could say. You can sound all
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  that in your own head and you'll say, uh, this is, by
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  the way, the same guy that got triggered by bread. So just just
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  for the record, and if you're if you don't know that story, ask
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  me about it on x Twitter, whatever you want to call it. But
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  yeah, back to these definitions. You've noticed that, like, none of
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  them are exactly the same. Right, we get down to East Kentucky,
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  Eastern Kentucky University, So this will be a gender studies course. Women in
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  Gender Studies says feminism is an interdisciplinary approach to issues of equality and equity based
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  on gender, gender expression, gender identity, sex and sexuality as blah blah
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  blah blah blah. So we're getting into Feminism doesn't have a definition, right,
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  it doesn't have a definition. It looks like it has a different definition
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  for everybody that tries to tell you what it is, all right. Feminist
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  is a person who believes that the subordination of women is not only unfair but
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  immoral. The New York Times says, we have another Britannica entry here,
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  which is kind of weird, right, human rights careers. At its core,
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  feminism has a core now, so I imagine its core is really out
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  of shape. Feminism is the belief that women deserve equal social, economical,
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  and political rights and freedoms. And then it goes on to talk about what
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  feminism has done, even though feminism really hasn't done anything because everything women have
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  was handed to us by men. So there we go. So we have
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  that, all right, get told look it up, Google it breed the
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  dictionary, Okay, which one not one of the definitions caven notation and pointed
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  to in the direction of the verb to feminize, which would And that's what
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  the perfect way of delineating all of these various definitions and just saying it's the
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  the state of having been feminized. Yep. Yeah, the one thing it's
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  kind of what it all comes down to. It explains what was going on
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  a hundred years ago, it explains what's going on now today. Yeah,
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  we get feminized, and it's it's not really a good thing. It's not
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  it's not healthy femininity. It's toxic femininity. Right, it's it's the the
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  selfish, indulgent, entitled, angry, demanding kind. And that's that's not
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  the only qualities that women are capable of exhibiting. Like, yes, we
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  can do that, and we all have that capability. But when we grow
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  up, we were supposed to learn to control that shit, just like men
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  are supposed to learn to control that shit, only we don't get held to
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  the same standards they do, and so very many women don't, right,
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  And that's not new either, And I will I will point out all these
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  definitions seem to be trying to get the idea across the feminism is about seeking
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  equality that women don't have, which I consider to be bullshit because you can't
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  name me a single law that takes anything away from women that that men have
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  under that law, right, No, no rights that Yeah, well men
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  don't have their children, right so but yeah, so there's there's not a
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  law that prevents women from exercising any rights that men are allowed to exercise under
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  the law. So there is that right. So if you look at the
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  suffragettes, because that's who we're accused of misrepresenting the suffragettes, what what did
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  their behavior tell us about their ideas about equality? Like, we just got
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  done reading an article that indicated that American suffragettes and American early American feminists thought
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  that women were superior and men needed to work with women because we're supposed to
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  be partners. But but women are superior, and that's that's that's pretty much
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  the sandwich that that she made. You know, at least she did make
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  a sandwich, but I don't know. Let's take a look at the first
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  article that I have here, and I'm not going to read from this because
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  it's the layout is very inconvenient. But you can see this is a real
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  article. This isn't I haven't. I'm gonna go to a blog, but
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  I haven't gone to a blog that made this up out of whole cloth.
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  This is this is real, all right. So the blog is called Unknown
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  Missonry and the the for anybody that actually wants to visit, it's a blog
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  spot blog. It's unknown misondry dot blogspot spot. I believe it's dot com
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  yeah, dot blogspot dot com and it's all one word unknown missonry and then
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  then the dot blogspot dot com. But this is this is the same article.
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  Man is a mere impostor and woman is supreme, says ultrafeminist head.
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  Yeah, that's an insult. We should use it. Yeah, just a
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  feminist head, an ultra feminist head. Yeah, I guess the rest of
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  your body doesn't talk, uh this. This woman's name is Marie Petty.
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  It's not a description, it's her actual name from the British Isles. And
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  this this article is from the Pittsburgh Press, May seventh, nineteen twenty two,
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  so the same year as the one that we read last week and the
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  week before. So, like I said, if we're misrepresenting this, should
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  this should clear the air right already where it looks like we're not she what
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  she had to say, And he actually found another article. So there's a
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  second one that I might look through too as as we go through this.
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  But the first one is she says, man is but one of a million
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  humble fertilizers. Nature intended women to reign supreme that's that's that's why women invented
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  toilet. It's right to make society grateful for for things like not having to
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  to walk past poop on the sidewalk. Well, that's a misogyny. I
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  haven't thought of how, but I don't have to suspend. Well, they're
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  celebrated on the same day that we celebrate men. Yeah yeah, but yeah,
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  no, no, it's total totally women who built all of civilization and
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  uh and and and and discovered I can't really say anybody invented mathematics because it's
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  just the language for how we describe quantities. So they discovered how to do
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  that. But uh yeah, no, men were involved, right, and
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  in the history of discovering how to describe quantities and how they work together and
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  stuff. Uh right, Oh wait, such supremacy Noba fin twenty one.
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  I'm sorry I missed it. Gave us a dollar and said I think we
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  should address criticism of feminism as criticism toward women's rights to help further expose how
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  guynocentric people are who claim to be anti feminist. Oh yeah, there we
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  go. I don't a lot of the stuff that feminists fight fight for,
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  though I don't consider it to be rights. In particular, a lot of
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  the demands they have for access to things require other people's labor to be done
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  for them free. You don't have a right to that. That's called slavery.
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  Or they're taking money from other people to pay for those services, which
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  is called theft, also known as taxation. So I just don't think those
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  are rights. So I guess I would be on board with saying it's criticism
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  toward women's rights, because the concept of women's rights has been bastardized. Anyway,
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  we'll go on here with the article a Marie Petty leader of a secret
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  ultra feminist movement, a secret ultra feminist movement that what newspaper was this again?
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  Oh, the Pittsburgh Press wrote about because that's a good way to keep
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  a secret women tief secrets. Well, you know, there's ever speedy different
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  ways of communication, right, we had telephone, we had television, We
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  telewoman. I can't even remember whose joke that originally was. It was definitely
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  not originally mine. I heard that from somebody actually up on a stage with
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  a microphone on television. I just cannot remember who. But so sorry for
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  not giving credit exactly. But at least I didn't steal it. It's nothing
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  there we go but at ultra feminist movement that has sprung up throughout the British
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  Isles today voiced this slogan of the new organization. I guess it's still secret
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  in Britain as it's being published in the United States right. Although still clandestine,
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  the organization is reported to have gained tremendously in membership and influence since it
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  first it was since first it was promulgated a month ago. It aims to
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  restore a womankind to its quote rightful place, which again doesn't really say anything
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  about where that is. Miss Petty was asked by the United States to state
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  the beliefs on which her movement is based, So here we go. It's
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  very much not based modern man, she replied, in his pose of superiority
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  is but a mere contemptible impostor who must be subdued. Women's superiority has been
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  scientifically established, So I'm wondering how she thinks that women were going to subdue
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  men after being oppressed for all that time using the science of course, m
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  M. At the beginning of organic life, woman created man, So apparently
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  women are God now and ruled him. He was a parasite and a slave
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  at best. Man is but an afterthought of sounds like it's all about equality,
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  doesn't it. At secret meetings of the New Movement, a charter based
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  on data from the days before women fell is being drawn up. Miss Petty
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  declared, she said, at these meetings any mention of the word man or
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  anything masculine was hissed. They sound very mature too. I'll bet, I'll
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  bet they're all over thirty in its meetings. Then the next one, mere
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  man is about to be swept off the face of the earth if ultra feminists
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  have their way. Elliott O'Donnell, author and investigator of distinction, informs the
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  International News Service, Oh well, now they're not a secret organization anymore.
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  They're known internationally. The tenets of the ultra feminists who are organized to unthrown
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  men are, according to O'Donnell, as follows. In the beginning, there
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  was only one sex. The feminine man was a mistake, a mere afterthought
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  there is. Yeah, that's that's not true. There was one sex,
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  and it was called asexual, hence the name. I'm pretty sure females and
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  males were created at the same time, because female necessarily means counter point two
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  men. Females have always been the ones who gestate the young, just like
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  the amebas that they apparently should be worshiping. So men and women aren't afterthought
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  in nature. She's right about that. It was nothing but a sexual reproduction
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  for a couple of billion years and then U slowly whatever whatever the word is,
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  My microbiology is falling out of my brain at this point. Yeah,
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  it's a bit interesting. Well, I mean, considering what I've been reading
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  lately, we might just be meat mechs for bacteria, So there's that.
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  But that it's it's a theory if if I got here first, therefore I
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  should rule over this is how we're going. Then we really should hand the
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  planet over to the animals, who should have turned hand over to the plants,
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  who shouldn't turn handover to the mushrooms. And the mushrooms can rule the
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  world because they can't even remember anything. Well, humanity is all going to
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  die of an incurable yeast infection anyway, thanks to thanks to COVID. But
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  in any case, yeah, so yeah, she says, man was a
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  mistake. There is no need for any sex other than the feminine love between
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  the sexes is only weakness, temporary madness. Life begins as female life is
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  feminine, and personogenesis or virgin birth proves the oneness at the substance out of
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  which all things are made. I don't think she understands exactly how the virgin
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  birth was supposed to have occurred. The reason it was virgin birth was because
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  there was no sex involved in the creation. The baby was implanted like that
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  was supposed to be a miracle, not a osmosis reproduction. Albatross gives us
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  two dollars and says Miss Petty is very fitting name, and Noba Fan twenty
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  one gives us a dollar and says, I've heard people say during gestation everyone
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  starts off as girls. That's not the when they think it is, because
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  that means boys are the only gender that's special. Well, girls are ordinary.
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  It's also not really right. Everybody starts out with their genitalia unformed,
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  and it all looks the same as it's forming, and then you form your
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  sex much later in gestation. Then you form the fact that there's a split
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  and you have two legs, right, but the genes are there right exception,
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  that's yeah, there's no, uh, we were all just females and
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  the proof magically a penis pop. That's not well. I mean, you
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  know, you you develop actual humanity when you go through the magic vagina,
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  So apparently you could maybe develop a gender in the magic uterus or whatever.
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  I don't know. Yeah, and again, fetuses start off mean embryos before
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  they look like humans look kind of reptilia. And before and before that they
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  look amphibium. Before that they look kind of fishy. You can trace a
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  revolution oddly closely by by the changing morphology of a of a blastocyst to an
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  embryo. H But again, it doesn't that mean men are more evolved than
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  female on the scales she's prevent she's presenting. Females came first, but and
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  males came second. Well, things that things evolve into tend to be somewhat
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  more complex, at least in the brain region. Yeah, so, bit
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  of a shot in the foot or just a random shot in the air which
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  could land anywhere and may land in her own eye, as it should.
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  Yeah, this is there seems to be a thing with and I've caught myself
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  doing this too. When we get mad, we shut off part of our
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  brain and we say stupid hit. But some of us are worse about it
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  than others. Like if I get mad enough and I get past the point
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  of stupid, then I get really mean and it's embarrassing later. So there's
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  also that. But so she then writes, this one's another one. Marie
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  Petty, leader of a secret ultra feminist movement that has sprung up throughout the
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  British Isles, today, voiced this slogan of the new organization, A feminine
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  war against the male sex is well underway to Great Britain. According to Elliot
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  o' donald again, this guy actually had quite a bit under his belt.
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  Ellie O'Donnell, who is the author of more than thirty books on psychic matters,
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  which he's this isn't psychic as in New Age bullshit. Psychic was used
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  to mean matters of the mind back then as well, so thoughts, beliefs,
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  philosophies, ideas, blah blah blah. But nope, this is psychic
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  the other way established a reputation is an investigator run as an investigator of haunted
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  houses is Irish by birth, but in reality an American product for his family.
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  Nettled in Baltimore, more than a century ago, and it's probably supposed
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  to be he spent the early days of his youth on her ancient organ.
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  Not ho but sometimes it in old newspapers. The way that the typeface is
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  made, that would if you used in a program to read it and create
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  the type for it, it will give you the wrong letter, because it's
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  really weird and hard to read. For many years, or Donald has been
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  looked upon as one of the leaders of those who are trying to lay the
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  truth about things supernatural before the public. His adventure in investigating ghost stories and
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  haunted places are widely read in England. But now he has given up his
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  investigations of things supernatural to take up the investigation of the efforts of certain ultra
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  feminists to bring about the downfall of man, probably because that's even more far
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  out than the spiritualist movement was. He's chasing a different type of boogeyman.
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  Yeah, it's kind of funny because at that point in time, like the
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  spiritualist movement was, if I remember reading about it right, it was in
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  full swing. People were having seances, Like in the seventies it was tupperware
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  parties. In the twenties it was talking to dead people. I don't know
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  what happened. People got really morbid, but in any case, yeah,
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  so I guess the feminists were weirder than the dead people. This English investigator
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  informed the International News Service that he's in possession of absolute evidence that ultra feminists
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  are laying plans for a sex war in England, and he has no doubt
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  that their organization extends to the United States. I am not making a hostile
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  attack on women, o'donald said. For women as women, I have always
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  had the greatest respect in admirations. See that goes all the way back to
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  the early twentieth century. Right, they always have to do this. I'm
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  not attacking women. I love women. I think women are wonderful. But
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  these guys, these guys are assholes. These women are assholes. You shouldn't
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  have to say not all women. If you're talking about bad behavior, women
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  who are not involved in it, women who are not doing it, shouldn't
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  feel targeted, shouldn't take it personally. I've always held. He says that
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  it is only fair and right that women should enjoy the same privileges and advantages
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  as men, So he's not even anti feminist. He just doesn't like those
• 31:21
  feminists. These are early ratfems. I am convinced, however, from my
• 31:27
  investigation that the cult of man hating is being fostered by a very definite organization
• 31:33
  in London, secret meetings from which men are rigidly banned or being held repeatedly,
• 31:40
  and the doctrine of male hatred is subtly but vigorously propunded. Again,
• 31:48
  this is feminism. I don't know how it fits the definition if they're supremaist.
• 31:57
  The chief aims and objects of the movement are in the field of politics
• 32:01
  and economics. The ultra feminists are particularly anxious to gain control over the police.
• 32:12
  So I read that part again. The ultra feminists are particularly anxious to
• 32:19
  gain control over the police. So that was nineteen twenty two right. And
• 32:23
  they fought for about three quarters of a century to gain control over the police.
• 32:34
  And they fought for They used domestic violence law, and they used sexual
• 32:39
  violence law, and lobbied for changes in custody, and lobbied for changes in
• 32:50
  the rights of women in divorce right. But domestic violence law and sexual violence
• 32:57
  law gave them a way to basically get feminist training in to police academies and
• 33:06
  to the all of the education that you have to obtain to work in the
• 33:15
  court system, including the education you have to obtain to be a judge.
• 33:20
  And over the years you had different different state laws that were passed and eventually
• 33:25
  federal laws. And in nineteen eighty four they got the Family Violence Victims Services
• 33:37
  let's see, it's Victims FVP. Say. I have to remember now,
• 33:42
  it's been a while since I've actually looked at it, with Family Violence Victims
• 33:45
  Services and Prevention Act or Prevention and Victim Services Act, and I can't remember
• 33:51
  which order that was in of nineteen eighty four past. And it created shelters,
• 33:58
  It created twenty four hour hotline. It funded it with government money,
• 34:02
  which means tax money that was taken from men, because mostly men that pay
• 34:08
  taxes. And from there they got mandatory arrest policies. And then they got,
• 34:17
  oh, but the mandatory arrest policies have to be gendered, because if
• 34:21
  they're not, you get an eight hundred percent increase in the arrests of women
• 34:28
  for perpetration of domestic violence. And then they got the Violence Against Women Act,
• 34:32
  which gendered all of it. They changed the definition of rape to expand
• 34:39
  it in a variety of ways and remove recognition of women's agency under a variety
• 34:46
  of circumstances. Right, And today police receive essentially DEI training that is mostly
• 35:00
  about serving women, and today the law kind of dictates what they have to
• 35:09
  do when they respond to a call for domestic violence or sexual violence. And
• 35:15
  if there's a sort of a conflict of stories between a man and a woman,
• 35:22
  they're obligated to believe the woman. So here we have it's one hundred
• 35:30
  years later, and definitely feminists have control over the police, even though they're
• 35:37
  the ones also saying defund the police. But they did gain control over the
• 35:43
  police. And I think the word for that is insurrection, is it not?
• 35:49
  Kind of if you do it slowly and subversively enough, it doesn't count
• 35:55
  as an insurrection, unlike some things that do. Yeah, I mean,
• 36:01
  yeah, I'm talking about what it's like in the United States. In the
• 36:07
  UK, it's illegal to be a misogynist. Basically, it's illegal to be
• 36:15
  accused of misogyny. It's even illegal to be accused of giving giving a woman
• 36:22
  the ick right if she thinks you might be a creep, then you're a
• 36:29
  misogynist. For making her think that, and you can get arrested. If
• 36:34
  you say something online that she doesn't like, you can get arrested. Feminists
• 36:39
  did get control over the police so that that they they succeeded in that plan.
• 36:45
  Hey, if if you do get arrested, you can pretend to be
• 36:49
  a woman when you get put in a woman's prison. So women are oppressed,
• 36:52
  do you see yep? So this goes on in the past history of
• 37:01
  the human race, sex hate and antagonisms have been the prelude to great national
• 37:09
  catastrophes. Oh I missed the line. If the cult of man hating goes
• 37:15
  on increasing until it gains ascendency, even were it possible to propagate the race
• 37:21
  without the assistance of the male, the end of the world would be assured.
• 37:24
  And he's right about that too, because as the family deteriorates, the
• 37:30
  quality of behavior that we get out of people who are deemed adults deteriorates,
• 37:37
  the workforce deteriorates, the culture becomes lawless, and you end up in an
• 37:45
  unlivable situation and it will collapse. But yeah, uh, in the past
• 37:57
  history, he says that I've to suggest that this nation would take heed lest
• 38:04
  a like fate befall it. There's nothing constructive in ultrafeminism. It is destructive
• 38:10
  from start to finish. O'Donnell declared there are three types as follows. A
• 38:17
  the type that apes the masculine, so basically butch feminists. And then two
• 38:25
  the anemic, fretful type of woman, which is pretty much the majority of
• 38:30
  feminists today, the ones that like freak out if they're walking down the street
• 38:36
  and there's also a man walking down the street somewhere in their vicinity, because
• 38:42
  if he's also walking down the street, he must be doing it because they're
• 38:45
  walking down the street. No man has ever walked down the street for any
• 38:50
  other reason than because there was a woman there that he wanted to follow,
• 38:53
  Right, those those are those women, right, And then he says three,
• 39:00
  the patently abnormal women. Those women tell us who they are today by
• 39:04
  dyeing their hair various shades of blue and green, which ironically is kind of
• 39:10
  normal. Yeah, they all look like they're trying to emulate peacocks badly.
• 39:21
  And there's more to this, Like this keeps going. Dissemination of the cult
• 39:25
  of the ultrafeminist is being accomplished by propaganda. O'Donnell charges, and then there
• 39:30
  is another image of another article London ultrafeminists seeking to sweep men from the earth,
• 39:39
  and you can see in this one this one has not been translated to
• 39:45
  text, but it's also not a great print, so I don't know if
• 39:49
  it could have been easily mere man is about to be swept off the face
• 39:54
  of the earth if ultrafeminists have their way. Elliott Elliott O'Donnell a there and
• 40:00
  investigator of this. Yeah, that's those letters are terrible distin I think that's
• 40:08
  a yeah, distinction. I don't know if that's an eergy, it's probably
• 40:14
  distinction. But in in form of International news service, the tenets of the
• 40:21
  ultra feminists who are organized two unthrown men are according to O'Donnell's follows, and
• 40:28
  then it gives those tenets again. So there's the image from that article.
• 40:34
  But yeah, this is this is basically the genesis in in at least the
• 40:39
  UK of what is today known as radical feminism. But radical feminism is the
• 40:46
  the origin of modern feminism. So feminists who claim that this kind of thing
• 40:57
  is not what feminism is about, theyre movement came from this there, it's
• 41:04
  not a different thing that went a different path. It is the start of
• 41:10
  the path that led to them. Meyredith g gave us five dollars and said,
• 41:17
  HBI talked three fourteen honey for the badgers. Super chows are always better
• 41:22
  than super chats. That is true. So having looked at this all right,
• 41:30
  we can see that there was definitely female supremacy in early feminism. It's
• 41:35
  not just a one off that that one feminist did that. There's a whole
• 41:38
  organization in the UK, whole secret organization influencing feminists in the UK in nineteen
• 41:45
  twenty two doing the same thing. So we'll look at this article is a
• 41:52
  little more frivolous. This is from twenty fourteen, by the way, so
• 41:54
  it's not a new article, but it's about very old feminists, so it
• 41:58
  doesn't have to be new because the quotes aren't going to change. This art.
• 42:05
  This site is called the Toast and it's it's not quite down to the
• 42:13
  level of BuzzFeed, but it can be sometimes, but it's often better than
• 42:17
  that. But the article is suffragettes who sucked white supremacy and women's rights.
• 42:27
  Well, that sounds totally like equality, don't you think. So what they've
• 42:32
  got is different quotes, and it's basically like the good, the person,
• 42:38
  the good, and then the uh oh. Suffragette Susan B. Anthony eighteen
• 42:45
  twenty to nineteen oh six social reformer, member of the Anti Slavery Society,
• 42:51
  President of the National American Women's Suffrage Association. Sounds good, so far right,
• 42:57
  and they're her, you know they're hooray is I think the girl who
• 43:02
  is able to earn her own living and pay her own way should be as
• 43:06
  happy as anyone anybody on earth. The sense of independence and security is very
• 43:12
  sweet. Sounds okay? Then there wait what mister Douglas talks about the wrongs
• 43:22
  of the negro But with all the outages that he today suffers, he would
• 43:30
  not exchange his sex and take the place of Elizabeth Katie Stanton. If I
• 43:37
  remember right, she was pretty wealthy. I think most people would have traded
• 43:39
  places with her, and I'm sure she has no idea what he suffered.
• 43:51
  Then we have Anna Shaw eighteen forty seven to nineteen nineteen physician, Methodist minister,
• 44:01
  president of the National Women's Suffrage Association, inspiration for an episode of thirty
• 44:07
  Rock, which I think was a TV show that aired in the nineties maybe,
• 44:15
  Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what it was. I think it was
• 44:19
  in two thousands. Yeah, Third Rock from the Sun was in the nineties,
• 44:22
  That's what I was thinking of. That's not right. Yeah, thirty
• 44:25
  Rock is the one with Tracy Morgan. Okay, that tells you a lot.
• 44:30
  I don't watch TV. I remember the titles of shows that people talked
• 44:35
  about a lot when different time periods happen, but I don't really. I
• 44:39
  haven't watched a lot of television shows that were made after like the mid nineties.
• 44:50
  In fact, I could watch Friends for the first time, the whole
• 44:53
  series for the first time. I think I've seen an episode here or there,
• 44:58
  but same Seinfeld. I've seen a couple of episodes familiar enough to be
• 45:02
  familiar with the characters. But I really didn't watch much TV. Yeah,
• 45:07
  I'm the same. Yeah. When I did, it was you know,
• 45:12
  they were so popular. Yeah, everybody was talking about it, but I
• 45:15
  just yeah, yeah, Actually no character names from shows that I never watched
• 45:21
  because people talk about them so much. But in any case, yeah,
• 45:28
  her hooray one is uh there we go around me. I saw women overworked
• 45:37
  and underpaid doing men's work at half men's wages not because their work was inferior,
• 45:42
  but because they were women. So that's an old line again, and
• 45:47
  women have believed this since at least the early twentieth century, if not before.
• 45:53
  They just assumed that if a woman and a man are doing they have
• 45:58
  the same job title, and they're doing the same things from the same list
• 46:04
  of tasks, that the woman's performance is on par with that of the man,
• 46:09
  which most of the time, you know, if there's any heaviness to
• 46:15
  the labor, that's not true. It's just not Oh wait, if you
• 46:22
  can barely carry half the weight of what a man can, why should you
• 46:28
  get paid the same? Yeah, yeah, you know. And well,
• 46:31
  and then the other thing is, like we've talked about this before, you
• 46:36
  know. I worked at the gas station that I worked at was it started
• 46:43
  out as just a convenience store and then they added pumps, right, so
• 46:47
  it was on a corner where it was really cramped. The convenience store was
• 46:53
  really small. It was never expected to be a food service his place or
• 47:00
  anything like that. And we all worked really hard to make it clean and
• 47:05
  nice so that we could sell food. But nobody worked harder than the guys.
• 47:09
  And when the truck would come in. You could see the difference,
• 47:16
  right, If the women were carrying one box, the men were carrying two,
• 47:21
  women were carrying two boxes, the men were carrying three. If it
• 47:25
  was cold or rainy or too hot outside, all of the going out to
• 47:31
  the shed to put boxes in the shed or going out to pick up boxes
• 47:37
  that were set outside from the truck, the guys did that. Right.
• 47:39
  If it had to get stocked in the cooler and there was a male and
• 47:44
  a female working, the guys did that because the cooler was thirty four degrees,
• 47:50
  which is apparently the ideal temperature for beer, at least according to American
• 47:57
  lore. So everybody else in the world, don't kill me for that,
• 48:00
  because I know there is some beer that is supposed to be served heated.
• 48:04
  But in any case, so like, there was all that, right,
• 48:07
  And then then if somebody got sick in the bathroom, most of the cashiers
• 48:15
  would leave it for the assistant manager because he was a man. They would
• 48:20
  leave it for the shift leader because he was a man. Right They oh,
• 48:23
  it's above my pay grade. Uh, And and I ended up cleaning
• 48:28
  it up a lot of times because I didn't want to leave it a whole
• 48:31
  weekend until a man came in to clean it up. Yeah, that's a
• 48:37
  good idea. It's incredibly hard when that shit dries out. Oh yeah,
• 48:43
  yeah. Well, and the other thing is stomach acid that you believe.
• 48:47
  You'd be amazed what stomach acid will eat through and what it does to the
• 48:53
  metal parts of your plumbing and stuff. It's not a good thing. Don't
• 48:58
  believe that's that's for somebody else to clean up. That's really nasty, right,
• 49:04
  So uh so, yeah, this holy quality thing is kind of it's
• 49:12
  in their heads, right, because they'll do stuff like that. But then
• 49:15
  they'll say, but we're doing the same job. Why are they getting paid
• 49:20
  more? Well, you know, when when was the last time you went
• 49:22
  in and cleaned up after Pucaso came and visited. So uh then then that
• 49:31
  that to me was a problematic statement, but to them was a hoorray,
• 49:36
  right, So what did they think was problematic? She says, you have
• 49:42
  put the ballot in the hands of your black men, your black men,
• 49:46
  like you own them now, I guess, uh, thus making them political
• 49:50
  superiors of white women. Never before in the history of the world have men
• 49:54
  made former slaves the political masters of their former mistresses. She seems upset.
• 50:02
  Yeah. Sorry, I just can't identify with this at all, Like,
• 50:10
  which one's fought in the war again, Was it the women or the men?
• 50:16
  Oh? My god? And I mean just to talk about it like
• 50:20
  that, making the men their masters because they got the vote again, Yeah,
• 50:30
  so I guess they were okay with white men being their masters before.
• 50:34
  Yeah, because they didn't start agitating for voting rights until like a hundred years
• 50:38
  after the country was was founded and formed. But of course there were some
• 50:49
  some states that came into the Union with women already voting, So I suppose
• 50:54
  the women in the Eastern States were pissed off about that too. But uh,
• 51:00
  yeah, then we have Suffragette. Suffragette Belle Kearney eighteen sixty three two
• 51:08
  nineteen thirty nine, orator, novelist, Mississippi state senator. Because women had
• 51:15
  no power and no influence. And she says, hooray for equal work.
• 51:23
  Yes, I say for hooray for equal work employers. Employers have a right
• 51:30
  to equal work for equal pay. Get to it, ladies. Their waight
• 51:37
  wet for her is really long. The enfranchisement of women would ensure immediate and
• 51:46
  durable white supremacy honestly attained for upon unquestioned authority. It is stated unquestioned authority.
• 51:55
  By the way, she didn't say who, just upon unquestioned authority.
• 52:00
  It's like saying everybody knows, right, everybody knows. It is stated that
• 52:06
  in every Southern state but one, there are more educated women than all the
• 52:13
  illiterate voters, black and white, native and foreign combined. As you probably
• 52:20
  know, all of the women in the South who can read and write,
• 52:22
  ten out of every eleven are white. When it comes to proportion and propriety
• 52:28
  between the races, that of the white outweighs that of the black immeasurably.
• 52:32
  That's that's a suffragette people. That's that's that's you're it's about equality people.
• 52:42
  That's that's a suffragette. So I don't want to hear that we've been unfair
• 52:50
  to feminists. Feminism is about equality, because these guys were not about equality.
• 52:57
  They were about me, me, me. They were also criminals.
• 53:07
  So all right, this one I don't have an alternate thing for. So
• 53:13
  I'm going to mess with the size of the screen here or the size of
• 53:17
  the tab. Let's see if I can. And I'm gonna have to move
• 53:22
  it because of how this works. So hang on a second here, because
• 53:29
  it has this this thing, it Google does this, and I might be
• 53:38
  able to Actually there we go. So this is again ancient article. Suffragette
• 53:53
  using whip on doctor is knocked down. Now, if a man approached another
• 54:00
  man on the street with a bull whip and started attempting to whip him with
• 54:07
  it, one would expect a fight would break out, right, You would
• 54:10
  expect normally that how men would treat each other would be that a man would
• 54:19
  fight back if he was attacked with a weapon like that. Right, Most
• 54:23
  of the guys I know would. They might try to grab the whip.
• 54:27
  They might clock the other guy, try to knock him out, make him
• 54:30
  stop. They would do something. They wouldn't just stand there and take it.
• 54:35
  So this pro equality feminist obviously would have expected that, right. So
• 54:45
  the article says, Glasgow, March sixteenth, rushing upon doctor James Devon,
• 54:53
  Royal Prison Commissioner, a militant suffragette horsewhipt him today. Okay, not a
• 55:00
  bullet horsewhip, but just as painful. I would imagine as as Devon was
• 55:07
  entering the Duke Street prison as the woman applied the lashes. Doctor Devon threw
• 55:13
  up his hands for an instant to protect himself, but as the attack was
• 55:16
  continued, he did not emulate the example of and this is this is a
• 55:21
  thing in the article that really caught my attention, the example of Premier.
• 55:25
  I believe that's Asquith and others who have been attacked. So this was not
• 55:32
  a one off, right, This was a regular behavior of suffragettes chasing men
• 55:38
  down in the street and horsewhipping them. Like how many guys do that?
• 55:45
  Just get mad as at somebody politically and decide they're going to chase a man
• 55:50
  down in the street and horsewhip him and not expect any consequences. Let's see.
• 56:00
  Whoops. And that's one thing I hate about this is it moves fast
• 56:05
  if I'm not careful, all right, and others who had been attacked.
• 56:12
  Devin got into the action himself. After a few cutting blows had landed,
• 56:16
  the prison commissioner knocked the woman down, screaming protests. The suffragette was arrested
• 56:24
  and detained in a prison for a time. On being released, she declared
• 56:29
  the attack was made on Devin because of his advocacy of forcible feeding which they
• 56:35
  were doing hunger strikes when they would get jailed for bombing things and being generally
• 56:40
  unruly in public, and then the British authorities were force feeding them. They'd
• 56:52
  had two put down their throat and poured a mixture of milk and some other
• 56:57
  things that would be like the early twentieth century equivalent of like today's Boost and
• 57:07
  Insure and other nutritional drinks for people that aren't eating. And of course that
• 57:14
  thwarted the well. I'll starve myself to death and then you'll look bad.
• 57:19
  But in any case, they still looked bad for it. But so this
• 57:24
  woman decided that since this man advocated for something that she felt was unfair,
• 57:30
  she would horsewhip him in the street. So then it finishes up. London,
• 57:37
  March sixteen. The reign of terror instituted by militant Suffragettes following the recent
• 57:43
  arrest of Miss Emmeline Pankhurst, was directed toward the railroads. Today suffragettes swooped
• 57:49
  down upon the railroad yards at King's Norton and it continues this, it doesn't
• 57:58
  actually, yeah, it has the whole thing. Okay, it wasn't on
• 58:04
  the I had a archive I S version of it, But it only gave
• 58:09
  that little square Birmingham and burned six passenger cars standing on a siding. Three
• 58:17
  others were badly damaged. Now again, if they're for equality, do they
• 58:23
  want to be treated the same way that men are treated when men do things
• 58:28
  like that? How many? How much do you want to beat that they
• 58:36
  protested against the arrests and imprisonment that they would experience for crimes like that.
• 58:45
  With a new wave of militancy assuming assuming greater proportions daily, some action was
• 58:51
  expected to be taken as a result of a letter received by the Dean of
• 58:54
  Westminster from Sylvia Pankhurst declaring that East London Suffrage will march to the abbey next
• 59:01
  Sunday and attend the evening service. This pinker said that she would be present
• 59:07
  and asked that special services beheld. But it was feared today that the famous
• 59:13
  Burne Jones Widow in Birmingham Cathedral window in Birmingham Cathedral is permanently marred as a
• 59:22
  result of the suffragette raid yesterday, the words votes for Women were printed across
• 59:28
  the window. The floors, pews and pulpit of the cathedral were disfigured by
• 59:34
  the women and that's the end of the story. So they actually vandalized a
• 59:38
  church. So now we're looking at not only did they attack men in the
• 59:42
  street, but they also engaged in church vandalism. And then I have another
• 59:51
  one, and see that's not it. There, that's the one. Okay,
• 1:00:01
  dang it. There we go bringing it down. I think that might
• 1:00:10
  be as far as I can bring it down. So now I have to
• 1:00:14
  bring this down. And what it says in here miss miss Pankhurst admits bomb
• 1:00:22
  deal and I'm gonna have to increase the size of this if it lets me.
• 1:00:30
  There we go. It's in order to actually be able to read it,
• 1:00:36
  you need to use two fingers to actually move it. There we go.
• 1:00:43
  All right, So this is London, February twenty two. Miss Emmeline
• 1:00:49
  Pankhursts assumption of full responsibility for the explosion at David Lloyd George's country residence and
• 1:00:57
  her confession that she conspired with and in cited her followers to carry out the
• 1:01:01
  scheme are being seized by the authorities as grounds for hot prosecution. Already legal
• 1:01:10
  steps have been taken for bringing a criminal charge against her. Six Suffragette windows
• 1:01:15
  smashers were today sentenced to six months each. All pledged themselves to carry on
• 1:01:21
  the strike, so when they went to jail, they didn't just go to
• 1:01:27
  jail for protesting like feminists will tell us that these women went to jail just
• 1:01:31
  for protesting and then they engaged in hunger strikes and they were force fed.
• 1:01:37
  No, they went to jail for busting out windows, bombing churches, vandalizing
• 1:01:42
  churches, attacking men in the street. At one point, they tried to
• 1:01:45
  kill a member of Parliament by pushing him off a cliff. They were particularly
• 1:01:52
  violent, they were not they were terrorists like today they would be referred to
• 1:01:58
  as terrorists, and today they referred to as the summer of love. Oh
• 1:02:06
  yeah, summer of love. That's true because they're on the right side of
• 1:02:09
  history. Can you imagine if Tommy Robinson did any of that stuff, they
• 1:02:15
  wouldn't even give him a trial, to bury him under the jay. Oh
• 1:02:19
  yeah. Everything that the people get accused of nowadays was being done and worse
• 1:02:29
  by d years ago. Yep. The one where they tried to push a
• 1:02:37
  member of Parliament off of a cliff really freaked me out. When I read
• 1:02:42
  that. I was just like, they just approached this guy and tried to
• 1:02:45
  kill him, just right out out in public. Of course, today it
• 1:02:51
  would be a lot more difficult, because today members of Congress and probably members
• 1:02:59
  of parlat Parliament are a little more careful where they go and how open they
• 1:03:02
  leave themselves to attack, because people have been violent quite a while. But
• 1:03:12
  yeah, I just just imagine, you know, you're just expecting to go
• 1:03:15
  someplace and do stuff and a couple of women approach you, and of course
• 1:03:22
  I'm sure that he probably thought they were harmless unless he knew who they were,
• 1:03:29
  and then suddenly they're trying to push you off of a cliff to your
• 1:03:32
  death. That's crazy, Miss missus Pankhurst, I keep saying. Miss Pankhurst
• 1:03:42
  was her married name. Met a mixed reception at a meeting last night in
• 1:03:46
  Chelsea. When she appeared, she was greeted with groans, hisses, yells
• 1:03:53
  and cheering, and only the presence of the police prevented a hostile section of
• 1:04:01
  the audience from attacking her. She declared, despite her threatened trouble, that
• 1:04:06
  the the short that short of taking human life, the militant Suffragettes intended to
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  do everything possible, and it wasn't short of taking human life obviously, and
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  intended to do everything possible to settle once and for all the political status of
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  English women. How to deal with the militant suffragettes is a problem discussed anxiously
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  by the public, and the newspapers are devoting many columns to it. According
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  to the Standard, the latest plan of the militants is to kidnap the cabinet
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  ministers. The police are shadowing ministers now, so they actually put the police
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  in a situation where they had to pay all of their attention to cabinet ministers.
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  The police are shadowing them, so serious thinking public men have suggested that
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  the women who are arrested and go on hunger strikes be left to starve rather
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  than permitted to defy or evade the laws with impunity. So they're actually they
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  were to the point. I don't think that this actually got women the vote.
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  I don't think this had any influence on getting women to vote. In
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  fact, I think that if it hadn't been for men fighting in at the
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  time it was just called the Great War, but in World War One and
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  earning the right for commoners to vote, I don't think that women would have
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  been given the right to vote in the UK because they made themselves such a
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  nuisance that it couldn't be rewarded by lawmakers with out encouraging people to use making
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  themselves a nuisance, and a dangerous nuisance at that, to get what they
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  wanted from from politicians, Like that's the worst way to respond to that is
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  to give them what they want. And finally, I wasn't sure we would
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  get through all these but we are going to because it's only eight o eight,
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  so we got time for this. We're not gonna dwell on this too
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  much. This is from the I want to say, the University of Yeah,
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  all Many, all Many university. So it doesn't say who the author
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  is, But this is about Elizabeth Katie Stanton again. Daughter of a judge,
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  Elizabeth Katie Stanton had a keen interest in the law. In her youth.
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  She began reading law books and enjoyed debates with her father's law students.
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  This all sounds good, so far right. These experiences further developed her analytical
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  mind in her rhetorical skills. Elizabeth's life was a lifelong project to define.
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  I think this is written by a student because I wouldn't put life twice in
• 1:07:14
  the same sentence like that to define and correct the problems women faced. According
• 1:07:18
  to historians Ellen Carroll Dubois and Richard Candida, not to it just blows my
• 1:07:28
  mind. Candida is actually the name of the yeast and yeast infections. But
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  anyway, Initially she turned her attention to the legal system, which codified the
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  subjugation of women. She understood that women and men could not change their legal
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  status if they lacked the right to vote, and she worked hard and ultimately
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  successfully or unsuccessfully for the cause of universal suffrage. Get to the butt,
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  and this one has a big butt. There we go a rift. Any
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  abolitionist and suffrage movements developed over that cause. Many reformers took a pragmatic approach
• 1:08:15
  to suffrage, believing that male suffrage, especially for black men, should be
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  the first priority, which makes sense because male suffrage was already accepted, right,
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  even if it was only white men originally, it was still male suffrage
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  was already accepted. So and it was accepted on a very specific basis that
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  we've been studying now for two months. So everybody should be able to tell
• 1:08:43
  me what that basis was like. Anybody in the chat should be able to
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  type it, right, in and of course my two co hosts will remember
• 1:08:59
  it was just leaving a pregnant polls. No, no, no, no,
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  there will be no pregnancy here. You guys know that. I'm like
• 1:09:10
  about to turn fifty three, Like I'm completely done with that. Not gonna
• 1:09:15
  happen, not even pregnant. Pause. So, at no point did women
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  ever face conscription in the history of the United States, At no point none.
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  Women did help out in the Revolutionary War. They did not do what
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  the men did. They were able to contribute, And so there's no excuse
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  for why women shouldn't face some form of conscription, because there is stuff women
• 1:09:53
  can do, but never have win and faced conscription in the history of the
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  United States. I don't know that the UK has ever conscripted women either.
• 1:10:09
  We almost did, but we didn't do it. You doubt it, huh.
• 1:10:15
  I kind of doubt it too, because it doesn't seem like something that
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  the UK would do. But yeah, activities in expectation of duty. Oh,
• 1:10:29
  Candida is also an Italian surname, meaning white. That's interesting. But
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  yeah, military subscription, military conscription, fighting in battle, to create those
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  rights, to expand those rights, to preserve those rights. That's been the
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  history of it. Eight hundred years of men's military service, eight hundred years
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  of obligation and duty and blood being attached to men's voting rights is the reason
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  why men's voting rights were accepted right, and the reason that voting rights for
• 1:11:14
  black men in America were being considered at the time that feminists were protesting that
• 1:11:19
  men were getting their rights first was because men black men fought and bled and
• 1:11:28
  died for their freedom during the Civil War. That's why it wasn't because oh
• 1:11:39
  gosh, they're they're free now, so we should we should just give them
• 1:11:42
  voting rights. It was because their service was respected. Let's see, Uh
• 1:12:04
  tell him. Nar says he sent a super chow, but it's not showing.
• 1:12:15
  Are you sure it went through? This is I don't see it.
• 1:12:23
  I mean, I'm gonna go out and back into that chat and see if
• 1:12:27
  I see it that way. Nope, still no superchow. What the heck?
• 1:12:35
  Okay, tell him now, you'll have to either send it again or
• 1:12:42
  message me or just type it in the rumble chat and I'll read it off
• 1:12:50
  when I see it. Right. But yeah, women, women did not.
• 1:12:54
  Now that's not to say that there weren't any services that women did during
• 1:12:58
  the Civil War. There were men who worked in military hospitals. There were
• 1:13:01
  women who did the same things that women did during the Revolutionary War, which
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  mostly was if they weren't working in military hospitals, they were sewing and repairing
• 1:13:15
  uniforms, they were cleaning uniforms, they were cooking, they did domestic duties.
• 1:13:21
  Right, they were not in uniform. They did not fight battles.
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  They did not. They might have carried guns, but they didn't carry guns
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  the way that men carried guns. And there were boys in the military during
• 1:13:35
  the Civil War doing the same things that boys did in the military during the
• 1:13:41
  Revolutionary War. So there were there were buglers, there were drummers. There
• 1:13:45
  were boys carrying flags and they were targets. There were boys carrying messages and
• 1:13:51
  they were targets. So this was this was again men and boys fighting and
• 1:14:00
  women gaining right. So the rift. Many reformers took a pragmatic approach to
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  suffrage, believing that male suffrage, especially for black men, should be the
• 1:14:15
  first priority. Elizabeth disagreed so violently that she opposed the passage of the fourteenth
• 1:14:19
  and fifteenth Amendments to the US Constitution. So Elizabeth Katie Stanton, who is
• 1:14:30
  a celebrated and much loved beloved by feminists. Suffragette opposed the fifteenth Amendment that
• 1:14:42
  gave black men the right to vote and the fourteenth Amendment that secures your right
• 1:14:47
  to due process, equal treatment under the law. Right, that's the amendment
• 1:14:58
  that she opposed. So, yeah, equality, but not if it means
• 1:15:09
  that black men got the right to vote before white women. In her outrage,
• 1:15:14
  she revealed racist and bigoted aspects of her thinking. She resented deeply the
• 1:15:18
  fact that the law gave black men, male immigrants, and men of the
• 1:15:23
  lower orders, so poor men, men who didn't make as much money as
• 1:15:29
  her husband or her father, had the right to vote, but women were
• 1:15:36
  expected to wait. Her rhetoric incorporated I don't know if I am gonna get
• 1:15:42
  in trouble for this. I'm not going to read that part out loud.
• 1:15:47
  It's but her rhetoric incorporated racial slurs, and consequently she alienated many of her
• 1:15:58
  formerly ardent support, including Frederick Douglas. Elizabeth knew that the law and okay,
• 1:16:09
  there it is. Elizabeth knew that the law kept black women disenfranchised as
• 1:16:13
  well, but she failed to form alliances with black women suffragists. Their suffragists
• 1:16:18
  influenced by social Darwinism and nativist sentiments, She then advocated educated suffrage, in
• 1:16:28
  which in effect, would reserve the franchise for illiterate white men and women of
• 1:16:33
  the middle and upper classes, so poor people wouldn't have the right to vote.
• 1:16:39
  Elizabeth Susan B. Anthony and other women suffragists tried a new legal strategy
• 1:16:45
  they called the new departure. They argued that by its very nature, citizenship
• 1:16:51
  conferred the right to vote on men and women alike. Their strategy was to
• 1:16:59
  bring the you before the courts. Women would violate the law by voting illegally
• 1:17:03
  be arrested in them file suit. Anthony voted in eighteen seventy two in the
• 1:17:11
  eighteen seventy two election, and the following year was brought to trial, found
• 1:17:16
  guilty, and fined. A Missouri woman, Virginia Minor, was the plaintiff,
• 1:17:23
  and a famous eighteen seventy four US Supreme Court case, Minor versus half
• 1:17:27
  per Set, which set back women's suffrage for generations. Now I think they're
• 1:17:32
  right again. I think this is written by a student. I would say
• 1:17:35
  maybe decades because generations would be a long, much longer time. And the
• 1:17:43
  Nineteenth Amendment was ratified. It passed in nineteen twenty, So that's not generations,
• 1:17:51
  it's about fifty years, a little less like forty six two generations.
• 1:17:59
  Ye, generations. It also had major negative consequences for newly enfranchised black men
• 1:18:06
  and for the civil rights of all citizens. So there we go. Now
• 1:18:13
  I got to raise this up because I've hit the bottom of the page.
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  Oops, I just locked the window I was trying to unlock. There we
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  go. During the post Civil War years, Elizabeth Katie Stanton increasingly turned her
• 1:18:28
  attention to issues that went beyond the cause of women's suffrage. By this time,
• 1:18:31
  she was convinced that an unjust legal system only reflected deeper and more entrenched
• 1:18:36
  problems. She devoted the last twenty years of her life to studying, lecturing,
• 1:18:41
  and writing about religion as a root cause of women's inequality in marriage and
• 1:18:45
  before the law. So if you wonder why the church is so guynescentric today,
• 1:18:51
  can look a look at early twentieth century feminists. Someone who got here
• 1:19:00
  we have we have feminists that were female supremacists who thought that men were an
• 1:19:10
  afterthought and should be eliminated. We had feminists who were white supremacists who were
• 1:19:16
  upset that black people got the vote before, that black men got the vote
• 1:19:20
  before white women, and who used racial slurs and said nasty things about them.
• 1:19:29
  And then we have feminists who were violent, who engaged in criminal actions
• 1:19:35
  that they thought they shouldn't have to suffer the consequences a man would suffer for
• 1:19:41
  doing the same thing, and who bombed churches who I didn't pull up the
• 1:19:48
  church bombing article that I pulled up the vandalism article, but there was,
• 1:19:56
  and I actually have it linked here. I think see there are several of
• 1:20:04
  these. I have an article called Suffragettes Can't Save Feminism and there we go
• 1:20:17
  a follow up called Suffragettes still Can't Save Feminism? That have these links.
• 1:20:26
  Yeah, this one was titled expect bombs next, says suffragette. You can
• 1:20:31
  sort of see that at the bottom here. Mary Lay, who broke Prime
• 1:20:38
  Minister Asquith's windows, warns the magistrate expect bombs next. So that was the
• 1:20:46
  bomb threat. Then we have if it's loaded, if it loads up?
• 1:20:51
  Oh, come on, there we go. I'm not sure which one here.
• 1:21:00
  This one's from nineteen fourteen, and while that's coming up, we'll look
• 1:21:06
  at the other one. This one's also from nineteen fourteen. Militants are added
• 1:21:12
  again with acid, bombs, stones, and bags of flour. Now the
• 1:21:16
  significance of bags of flour is whether or not they threw them at the same
• 1:21:20
  time as the bombs, because flower. I learned this the hard way.
• 1:21:27
  Flower will explode. So one day when I was living with a friend who
• 1:21:33
  had a gas stove, and I grew up with an electric stove. My
• 1:21:39
  grandmother had a gas stove, so I used one a few times. So
• 1:21:41
  I thought, oh, yeah, I know everything about this, right,
• 1:21:44
  And I was cooking something and I was making gravy with broth from it,
• 1:21:48
  and I dropped the bag of flour on the floor and it didn't break,
• 1:21:56
  but a poof of it went up in the air, and it was just
• 1:22:00
  it spread out, you know, like a poof does. And as soon
• 1:22:04
  as it spread out, one little bit of it came into contact with the
• 1:22:10
  flame on the oven, and I actually had a little fireball in my face,
• 1:22:15
  like it blew up, It singed my eyebrows. It was bad.
• 1:22:21
  And that was probably a cup maybe of flower, maybe less. So if
• 1:22:28
  they were bombing things, and there was fire and then they were throwing bags
• 1:22:30
  of flour into it. That that can create a huge fireball and it's intimidating.
• 1:22:38
  It might not necessarily do a lot of damage, but it definitely would
• 1:22:46
  scare the shit out of people and could start fires that would be bigger than
• 1:22:51
  the fire that was already taking place. Right. But but yeah, so
• 1:23:02
  this was uh this, I'm not gonna read the whole thing, but they
• 1:23:08
  flung bags of flower and stones at councilors. And also bags of flower are
• 1:23:15
  heavy, so if you get a bag of flower thrown at you, it's
• 1:23:19
  gonna hit you like a five pound rock. And then then or or bigger,
• 1:23:27
  depending on how big the bags were that they threw. And then it
• 1:23:30
  when it blows up, it gets into your nose and your mouth and everything,
• 1:23:35
  and it's gonna make you feel like you're suffocating because you're breathing all that
• 1:23:39
  in. So that's that's really horrible. Why won't this actually show it was
• 1:23:46
  showing earlier? Come on page load? Yeah, that's great, let me
• 1:23:57
  try again. I wonder what's blockingness? Okay, now it's loading up.
• 1:24:10
  Okay. So then we had yeah, threatening to bomb the police and the
• 1:24:17
  courts. This is still not the church bombing. This might be it.
• 1:24:27
  No, that's not it. I don't know if I opened that one or
• 1:24:36
  not. In any case, there was an article in which a feminist stated
• 1:24:47
  that her only regret was that the bomb didn't go off, like she'd tried
• 1:24:55
  to bomb a church and the bomb fizzled. I don't maybe it was poorly
• 1:25:00
  made or something, but it didn't go off. And since it didn't go
• 1:25:06
  off, and you know, the damage that she had intended wasn't done,
• 1:25:12
  that would be bombing attempt maybe. And and she was defiant in court when
• 1:25:20
  she said that. She was like, yeah, my only regret is that
• 1:25:24
  it didn't go off. There it is. It's in that's why it didn't
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  show. It's in my uh my Google docs. There we go, Come
• 1:25:39
  on, there we go. In the meantime, let's see tell them tell
• 1:25:46
  him. NAR's super Chow came up. Says he gave us twenty dollars and
• 1:25:51
  said, regarding your sarcasm about women having no formal power before feminism, feminists
• 1:25:58
  tend to believe that also societies before the US and the nineteen sixties were all
• 1:26:02
  traditional, which meant they were all identical with regard to the status of all
• 1:26:08
  women, and I'm assuming you mean Western tradition too, such as not allowing
• 1:26:14
  them to hold any position of influence or owned property or work or divorce,
• 1:26:17
  etc. Of course, this is ridiculous. Nineteenth century France is pretty different
• 1:26:23
  from ancient Greece, which in turn is different from the Chin dynasty. Thanks
• 1:26:29
  for telling me how to pronounce it. However, they will also happily not
• 1:26:36
  believe this was the moment it makes women look powerful, citing examples of female
• 1:26:43
  rulers or business owners, et cetera. It is ridiculous that they do not
• 1:26:47
  see that their dismissal of all societies prior to the anglosphere in the nineteen sixties
• 1:26:51
  is traditional. Is like a religious fundamentalist categorizing every culture other than his own
• 1:26:57
  is heathen and there for both inferior, changeable with all others. You know.
• 1:27:01
  The other thing it gets me about that is feminists take credit for all
• 1:27:06
  of the things that they consider advancements for women throughout history. Right. Oh,
• 1:27:14
  by the way, I just wanted you guys to know Google has this
• 1:27:19
  flaggs abuse, This this news article flagg is abuse, just so you know.
• 1:27:29
  But yeah, they women had no power and no influence, and yet
• 1:27:33
  women deserve credit for all of those changes that took place. That's cognitive dissonance
• 1:27:41
  right there. Noba Fan twenty one gave us a dollar and said, I
• 1:27:45
  remember being told most women didn't support Gloria Steinem Despite today's result, I'm wondering
• 1:27:51
  if history is repeating itself. Yes, yes, history is repeating itself.
• 1:28:03
  This was never a majority thing. There were never a majority of women.
• 1:28:08
  Now, why won't it come up? All right? I know where the
• 1:28:15
  article is. It's down here, I believe, yeah, right there,
• 1:28:29
  Women's only your gat. Okay, the focus on this sucks, but we'll
• 1:28:43
  try to We're not going to try to read the whole thing. There we
• 1:28:45
  go. It's much better, Okay, Women's only. Woman's only regret was
• 1:28:49
  over her failure, London, July thirteen. I don't want to copy it.
• 1:29:00
  When Annie Bell, the militant suffragette, was arraigned today for trying yesterday
• 1:29:08
  to destroy Archdeacon Wilberforce's famous old Church of Saint John Evangelist Westminster with a bomb,
• 1:29:16
  she said, the only thing I regret is that, honestly, that
• 1:29:21
  beastly thing didn't go off. The prisoner expressed intense pride in her act.
• 1:29:29
  She congratulated the woman worshiper who detected her setting fire to the fuse attached to
• 1:29:35
  a can of gunpowder. Oh God, that would have been an absolute disaster,
• 1:29:45
  and said her smartness was worthy of a better cause. She advised her
• 1:29:50
  to become a militant suffragette. I meant the bomb to go off and blow
• 1:30:00
  up the church, right enough, said miss Bell. The prisoner then stretched
• 1:30:05
  herself at full length on the seat in the prisoner's enclosure and asked the woman
• 1:30:14
  warden to give her a pillow and wake her when the case had concluded.
• 1:30:19
  Bye bye, you paid bully, was Miss Bell's farewell to the magistrate when
• 1:30:24
  he remanded her. So she was a bit about it. Yes, smart
• 1:30:32
  mouthing for somebody who's so apprised. Yep. I partly love having this article
• 1:30:41
  just because like this, this is this is our history. This is what
• 1:30:45
  feminist are made of, right, This is the Suffragettes at their finest.
• 1:30:51
  She bombed a church. She castigated a woman for disagreeing with her. She
• 1:30:58
  mouthed off to the court. She was not just bitchy about it, but
• 1:31:04
  but cocky about it. And fully admitted, you know, her criminality.
• 1:31:11
  She didn't really have any fear of the consequences at all. She didn't Yeah,
• 1:31:19
  nothing to lose as a fur wife who says, so yeah, Boss
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  Beach, and that that is the history that people don't like to talk about.
• 1:31:32
  That's Google deemed having this article abuse. I can't say that enough.
• 1:31:41
  Actually, just am my mind was blown by that. I when I saw
• 1:31:45
  the red flag on it last night and I left that comment on it.
• 1:31:47
  I mean, it's it's my Google drive that that's on. But and I've
• 1:31:54
  appealed because like, and I don't even know how the hell it got flagged
• 1:31:59
  because the only people who can see it are me and another honey badger that
• 1:32:03
  that can see what's in this folder, and neither one of us would have
• 1:32:10
  flagged it. So I think this was algorithm flagged. M hmm. But
• 1:32:19
  uh, but yeah, I can't. I can't see where the evidence is
• 1:32:25
  that we have misrepresented feminists here. Do you guys see any evidence that we
• 1:32:30
  misrepresented feminists last week? No? I did not definitely known Mike stepped outside
• 1:32:38
  though. Okay, well, if our if our critic wants to contact me
• 1:32:43
  again and you know, explain exactly what parts of this didn't really happen.
• 1:32:50
  I would be very interested to know, yeah, because, uh, from
• 1:32:58
  my perspective here we kind of covered the bases, So I don't know,
• 1:33:06
  I think, what do you think, Lauren? No, I was disagreeing
• 1:33:12
  with you? These these women were nasty like that the whole idea of the
• 1:33:17
  nasty woman everybody always thinks that that's, you know, was invented by modern
• 1:33:24
  feminists with with the Trump campaign and their uh trump derangements and drum and everything.
• 1:33:32
  These women were worse mm hmm. And I can you imagine what these
• 1:33:39
  women would do if they encountered a group of intersectional equity feminists today? Oh
• 1:33:51
  yeah, they beat the ship out of them. They wouldn't just be horse
• 1:33:55
  whipping men in the street. Can you imagine the language jesup? Imagine them
• 1:34:08
  running into the intersectional equity feminist lgbt Q activists, the ones that are supporting,
• 1:34:21
  uh, you know, all of the gender gender ideology, the gender
• 1:34:28
  transitioning ideology and all of that in schools and and erasing the gender line between
• 1:34:36
  sports and so on. I think I think that heads would roll, yeah,
• 1:34:45
  because look what's happening, Like men are now becoming women. The everything
• 1:34:50
  that you, you know, wanted to separate yourself from, they're now becoming
• 1:34:57
  you. They're taking over your space. Yeah. I wonder how much.
• 1:35:03
  I wonder how much they would disagree with it. I wonder how much they
• 1:35:06
  would be like, well, this is the only thing that men can do
• 1:35:09
  now. Yeah, they might enjoy the idea of the genital mutilation. Yeah,
• 1:35:17
  they might enjoy the idea of this being the way that the male sex
• 1:35:21
  gets erased. M h like might maybe maybe that ideology came out of radical
• 1:35:29
  feminism after all. So but with that, I think we have pretty much
• 1:35:41
  wiped the floor with that allegation, like we we did not misrepresent feminism.
• 1:35:45
  We read a feminist writing, and we have read the behavior of several other
• 1:35:50
  feminists. So h yeah, I I I don't expect to hear back again,
• 1:35:57
  but I will be interested to see if I'm contacted again, because the
• 1:36:04
  the scathing you have misrepresented feminists and and and you you don't deserve your voting
• 1:36:13
  rights. And you know, I did post a meme on Twitter quite a
• 1:36:18
  bit recently. That's an almost two minute video explaining why women shouldn't vote.
• 1:36:25
  But have you seen it? I guess yes you were. Ye watched it
• 1:36:34
  right before the show the weeks yeah, or I think I did it after
• 1:36:39
  show before I published it, showing what it was what I was going to
• 1:36:45
  put up. But in any case, yeah, so there we go.
• 1:36:50
  So thanks you guys for everybody's saying you're really quiet. It's not looking really
• 1:36:56
  quiet in my like I've even got her turn up. That's that's weird.
• 1:37:01
  It's really echoe in here, spacious. That's probably why there are several settings
• 1:37:09
  on this experiment. Oh yeah, that can be kind of a pain in
• 1:37:13
  the ass. It's not what we're supposed to keep your yetty either, but
• 1:37:18
  and that that would definitely make it stink in the morning. But uh yeah,
• 1:37:28
  the auto audio mixer, it's not automatic, but the audio mixer in
• 1:37:33
  OBS, it looks like their sound is as loud as mine. And it's
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  hard to tell because, uh, it's going first through mine is going through
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  my headset directly to OBS. Theirs is coming through the desktop, which means
• 1:37:58
  it's coming through Discord, and then I'm hearing it in my headphones and I'm
• 1:38:03
  seeing visually how it plays through OBS, and OBS makes it look like the
• 1:38:12
  volume is the same for all of us, so it's kind of hard for
• 1:38:17
  me to adjust if one is louder than the other because I can't hear a
• 1:38:24
  difference, and I can't see a difference, so that it kind of sucks
• 1:38:31
  because like I can only judge. I know that when it goes, when
• 1:38:36
  the representation of the sound wave gets out of the green and into the yellow,
• 1:38:44
  it's kind of getting close to clipping, and when it gets to red,
• 1:38:47
  it is clipping. So I try to avoid getting into the red.
• 1:38:53
  Mine's been in the yellow the whole time, so it's almost but not quite
• 1:38:57
  clipping, and theirs has been like at the top of the green and into
• 1:39:01
  the yellow the whole time. And I don't I don't know another way that
• 1:39:06
  I am savvy enough tech savvy enough to use properly to do this, so
• 1:39:15
  and and I don't have the practice at this point to do something more complicated,
• 1:39:23
  So I don't know. I'll I'll do my best with it. But
• 1:39:30
  unfortunately the show might have this problem for a while if if OBS isn't regulating
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  the sound, So sorry, guys. Until I figure out why it doesn't
• 1:39:45
  look the same as it sounds, I don't know what to uh, what
• 1:39:49
  to do about it, so but in any case, thanks for bearing with
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  us. If the sound has been that difficult to listen to, it seems
• 1:40:02
  like everybody has remained and continue to listen anyway. And thanks to my two
• 1:40:09
  co host for going through all. Some of that was really nasty stuff to
• 1:40:12
  go through too, wasn't it. And thanks to everybody who works in the
• 1:40:16
  background to make HBr Talk happen. In goodnight all, We will see you
• 1:40:25
  next Thursday. Actually, we will see you next Tuesday, because Tuesday is
• 1:40:29
  the day that I'm going to be doing the show. We're switching because my
• 1:40:34
  daughter, the candy Scientist that's her title, has a grand opening for a
• 1:40:41
  business that she's she's working with and I am going to be out of state
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  on Thursday, So there I get to brag and with that, good night
• 1:40:53
  All, See you next Tuesday.