Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #243 - For Azeroth!: “Bringing Home the Bacon”
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- 0:00Tehran for the Kirin, Tor and Dario for calendar.
- 0:11Organists our cars, not die for the sin Dora for the alliance
- 0:24for Azeroth. Hello, and welcome back to
- 0:29another Our episode of for Azeroth.
- 0:32I am one of your hosts. The True Villain Manny and
- 0:35joining me as always is live, Miss Ling spells.
- 0:39How have you been doing this week?
- 0:41I've rated The Raid opened and I rated and that's that's been my
- 0:46week aside from you know, going through and trying to figure out
- 0:51just like wrap my head around professions and kind of
- 0:54succeeding but kind of feeling like I have no idea what I'm
- 0:57doing but yeah that's That's in a nutshell.
- 1:01Been bitten my weekend. Wow.
- 1:02How about you? I have been failing at all of
- 1:06that. Just failing a trading failing
- 1:09at professions. It's been a Bittersweet week for
- 1:12me, but I think I'm going to switch things around hopefully
- 1:17because part 1 of that is understanding professions.
- 1:20And in order to do that we have a special guest this week, Miss
- 1:24bacon, bits Miss, bacon bits. How are you doing?
- 1:29I am doing great. I am having so much fun.
- 1:32Lots of people are buying things.
- 1:34It's wonderful. The gold is Flowing.
- 1:38I'm glad that's true for at least one of us before we dive
- 1:42too deeply into these questions about professions.
- 1:44I just want to take the time to introduce you to our listeners.
- 1:48So, tell us a little bit about yourself.
- 1:51Hi, I'm Beggin Bev. I have been playing.
- 1:54Wow, since Beta. And basically from day one I
- 1:57have been making gold. Whether intentionally or not,
- 2:01I'm just drawn to making gold. I have been a gatherer forever
- 2:06and it's still my favorite thing to do.
- 2:07Although I'm a little bit, I have Diversified a bit but love,
- 2:12love love making gold in. Wow, it's my purpose for
- 2:15playing. Wow.
- 2:16And I've also been streaming, I guess a total of close to six
- 2:20years but the last four of them have been exclusively on Twitch
- 2:24and I love sharing my goal making tips tricks and Yours
- 2:30with the community. Yeah.
- 2:32And honestly I think that's how I came across your ear.
- 2:36You it was your Twitch Channel. It was BFA and I wanted to get
- 2:41myself a long boy. So obviously, the best way to
- 2:46learn is to look at somebody who's doing it, right?
- 2:50And then learn from them. And your stream is wonderful
- 2:53because it's so approachable and it is Like you make it look easy
- 2:59but you do it in a way that is you make it look seem easy for
- 3:06everyone. It's not that like, you're like,
- 3:08oh, you know, I just snap my fingers twice.
- 3:11And then it happens, you're like, well, this is the steps
- 3:13and this is what you do and sometimes it works and sometimes
- 3:15it won't. And so it was Like yeah, it's
- 3:21just approachable. It's it's something that I was
- 3:25able to turn around and make like five million gold, which
- 3:27is, I mean, like I did a good amount of gold back in Pandaria,
- 3:34but that was a, but that was just because I had an absorbent
- 3:38amount of time to to turn things around for like the jeweled tie,
- 3:44a jeweled Panthers, and that sort of stuff.
- 3:47But as you said you've Diversified and you Have done
- 3:51gold making in so many different ways.
- 3:52So can you tell us a little bit about how you got into gold
- 3:55making basically? So I when I started playing, wow
- 4:01I was you know, doing to Guild and 40 ban raids and there's a
- 4:06lot of lot of stuff you need for writing still do and certainly
- 4:11did back then and a lot of my guild mates.
- 4:14Couldn't, you know, would come up, would show up to raid with,
- 4:18you know, stuff not and chanted. Said no consumables.
- 4:22And and I just happen to like picking flowers and Mining and
- 4:28fishing. I don't know why I like doing
- 4:30those things are just very relaxing for me.
- 4:32Kind of mindless easy things to do.
- 4:36So I started to, you know, start sending materials to my guild
- 4:41mates so they could make everything they needed for raid
- 4:45and anything that was left over. I started selling it on the
- 4:48auction house and it's Why it's addicting.
- 4:52Once you start making gold, you just want to keep making more.
- 4:56And eventually, when blizzard allowed you to, by game time
- 5:00with WOW, gold through the token, even more incentive to
- 5:05keep making gold so that I could play quote-unquote for free and
- 5:11it just snowballs and the more gold you have, the more gold you
- 5:14want and whilst keeps giving me interesting.
- 5:20Aunt and I keep wanting to go out and do it some more before,
- 5:24dragonflight what was like, the most interesting gold-making
- 5:28challenges that you've done. So, so BFA was certainly be if I
- 5:34was where I was when I really Diversified outside of just
- 5:37doing some minimal crafting for myself or guildmates.
- 5:41I didn't really put my crafts on the auction house, I was a
- 5:44strict gather, the materials and and sell to sell flowers and or
- 5:50Or bars or, you know, fish skinning materials on straight
- 5:55on the option house. No, no, crafting at all.
- 5:58But there was this beautiful creature called the Brutus, or
- 6:01that I wanted. And I realized that if I wanted
- 6:06to get that sooner, rather than later, I didn't have enough
- 6:09hours in the day to gather, so learning how to be efficient at
- 6:18crafting, With the limited amount of time I had to play.
- 6:25Certainly was a challenge and it was a lot of fun too.
- 6:28And that Scrapper is your was, was your best friend.
- 6:31I would put myself at the Scrapper and go.
- 6:33Go put a load of laundry in wash some dishes and then come back
- 6:39and start a go at scrapping again.
- 6:42And and eventually, not only did I get myself over to soar, I
- 6:45gave a Buddhist or a way to my viewers and I Gave a couple very
- 6:51close friends enough money for Roberta's or because they are
- 6:54dear friends and I wanted to show them how much I love them.
- 6:58So it worked out really, really well.
- 7:00Go getting into crafty like Mass, crafting really worked
- 7:04out. Well, that is amazing.
- 7:06Like it was a goal on this show. The, the hunt for the brutal
- 7:12sword, like, how much money you're making and could I make
- 7:14it in time? There was stairs, has remember
- 7:16back, then the fact that you gave away multiple Brutus.
- 7:20Hours after make, it yourself is wow.
- 7:24Wow. Yeah, I personally, I saw what
- 7:28Manny was doing back back in those days and completely, and
- 7:33totally impressed by the prospect of obtaining a Brutus
- 7:36or, but I was just like, no, that's no.
- 7:38I'm at the bottom of this mountain.
- 7:40I have like a couple couple of like tens of thousands of gold
- 7:45if that at any given point, there's no way that I'm making
- 7:48that climb. Never not.
- 7:50Couldn't pay me money to do that.
- 7:53I mean that literally when you're paying for your sub with
- 7:56gold, yes you can pay money to do that.
- 8:01Fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, well I guess at this point
- 8:07we okay, I feel like you're underselling yourself because I
- 8:12recall watching when you said okay I'm going to start on a
- 8:17fresh server and go for gold cat and you You put that challenge
- 8:21out to yourself and how long did it take you?
- 8:25Um, that's a really good, I honestly don't remember, but
- 8:30it's fun. That's fun to do is to start
- 8:32fights. It's a little bit.
- 8:33I feel like it's a little bit like it was a challenge when you
- 8:37pick a server because you know, each servers economy was
- 8:40completely encapsulated. So you kind of, if you didn't do
- 8:44the right research you you might call on a dead server or It had
- 8:50way too many people, so there was so that was that was a fun
- 8:54adventure. And also its you forget how much
- 8:58of a struggle it is to come into the game with a zero gold at
- 9:01all. I'm used to spending a little
- 9:03bit of pocket, money to an ALT couple bags but it's been a
- 9:08while. It's been a while since I've
- 9:10ever since I've done is I've gone to do something like that?
- 9:12There's just no time anymore. Now it's a little different.
- 9:15I feel like it's it wouldn't I don't know if it would feel as
- 9:17meaningful. Now that the original auction
- 9:19house you could kind of You're going to make that gold, no
- 9:21matter where you go, unless you're unless you're crafting,
- 9:23maybe some equipment pieces, but that's honestly, that's not
- 9:26really the like you're not doing that from the start.
- 9:28When you start on a new server anyway.
- 9:30So, I don't know if it's as much of a quote-unquote challenge
- 9:34anymore when your auction house, for the most part looks just
- 9:39like the auction house on any other server, but maybe that's
- 9:43something to try. Maybe, you know, once
- 9:46dragonflight calms down Try it again and see and see you know
- 9:54see what it feels like now. There's a regional auction
- 9:56house. Yeah, yeah.
- 9:58So basically you were walking in with zero gold into a server
- 10:02that had the ability to do it. You weren't working to a dead
- 10:06server. I'm starting from zero to Gold
- 10:09cap. You completed Within a
- 10:13reasonable time frame. We're not talking years here.
- 10:15We're talking about no weird of months months months.
- 10:18Yeah, I think it was three or four months.
- 10:21I think it was. I think was closer to five.
- 10:24I think it. I think it was closer to five
- 10:25months. Yeah, maybe.
- 10:27But like, what's the gold cap right now?
- 10:3010 million 10 million from 0 to 10 million in will say five
- 10:35months, right. Is Is an impressive feat and
- 10:41you're saying it's only easier now.
- 10:43So you know, I'm running out of excuses for myself to be at such
- 10:47a low round of gold. But that's why we brought you on
- 10:51here because we want to try and make sense of dragonflights, new
- 10:55professions the auction house, that's going wild right now.
- 10:58Crafting orders in everything that's been happening.
- 11:01And so we have a number of questions for you and you know
- 11:04I've been I've been hogging all the time lived you want to start
- 11:07with our first question. Yeah.
- 11:09So how have Gathering professions been going?
- 11:12So I know for me personally like my first characters I have to
- 11:15level 7. He's now my first character
- 11:18through is my invoker and I just picked up skinning and Mining
- 11:21and just grabbed everything that I could find on along the way
- 11:25and I made a decent chunk of change through that.
- 11:27But how is like Gathering specifically going in
- 11:33dragonflay? Like how what have you noticed?
- 11:36So Gathering is a great way to make go.
- 11:39It has been and it continues to be a great way to make gold.
- 11:42Also, for if you're Mining and picking flowers, you're getting
- 11:46experience when you do that too. Which is always lovely.
- 11:50You think I was going to do this anyway.
- 11:51So but I have noticed that you so I have I have a dual
- 11:57gatherer. I have a character with the
- 11:59mining and then I have two other characters that have that have
- 12:02herbalism. And one of those also has
- 12:04skinning not a one of them has used the same. same
- 12:09specialization sort of purposefully because I'm kind of
- 12:12like Curious just I was curious to see how certain things played
- 12:16out You can definitely expect to get more materials out of each
- 12:22node, you can spec to get more Elemental items out of each
- 12:27node. So depending on what you might
- 12:29need, either for your other crafts.
- 12:33Or if you're just going to sell everything right on the auction
- 12:36house, you, it's nice to be able to pick what what you want to
- 12:43specialize in, so that maybe I want more.
- 12:45Maybe I want to go to a node and get like 12.
- 12:47Pieces of, or rather than, like two or I notice that more with
- 12:52flowers. I'm like one of my characters,
- 12:53it's like two flowers, the other one gets sixth like you're both
- 12:57maxed out. You both have the same amount of
- 12:59knowledge points, but obviously someone made a better choice
- 13:02than somebody else. I have noticed that there have
- 13:05been a lot of different ways that you can specialize.
- 13:08Especially with all the Gathering, there is a path to be
- 13:12able to interact with nodes, while still on your dragon
- 13:16instead of dismounting. Oh yes, I am of mixed feelings
- 13:19about this. One of the things that I kind of
- 13:22did in my spare time to make gold was getting or from
- 13:25Pandaria, so that I could spell a off.
- 13:27Shredders that obviously, isn't a thing in dragon fight.
- 13:30But are there particular paths or specializations that you
- 13:34think are more profitable when Gathering than others?
- 13:37I definitely. So I think that going the route
- 13:39that gets you to fly or to be able to gather while mounted is
- 13:46not necessary. If the right option, if you want
- 13:49to make the most gold, I do have my minor, so a minor and my, and
- 13:55one of my herbalist did choose that path because I'm lazy.
- 13:58And I wanted to just be able to, you know, quick swoop down, grab
- 14:04something and leave, but I'm definitely not getting as much
- 14:09or or herbs as I am on my duel gather who has chosen not to go
- 14:14that path and has specialized in In, I believe it's the process.
- 14:19The the processing. Spec.
- 14:25And rather than which, our own, I guess that processing is the
- 14:29one that lets you fly. I guess it's metal.
- 14:32I guess it's Metallurgy. Is the 14 remaining.
- 14:36Yeah, picking the one. That's not that one.
- 14:39Then not getting you to mine. Wall mounted or flowers.
- 14:43All mounted. I'm pretty sure that one is the
- 14:44thing that Grant you more items. So it's a trade-off.
- 14:47You have to pick what you want. Yeah, well, along the same line
- 14:51with is that You're doing these Gathering professions, you can
- 14:56cap with some of them before you even see much in the way of any
- 15:00kind of knowledge, Professional Knowledge to go into
- 15:03specializations. I noticed when I was leveling
- 15:07with Joss, she hit 100 in skinning.
- 15:10And I was like, wait, how in the world am I supposed to get
- 15:13specialization points? So, it seems to be different for
- 15:17different Gathering professions for skinny in particular.
- 15:21It wasn't until she was killing. Like rares and particular mobs,
- 15:25that she was then getting dropped.
- 15:27That would give her specialization for mining.
- 15:30I was getting them just randomly.
- 15:31As I was mining, are there particular Gathering professions
- 15:35that are harder to go deeper into the tree than others?
- 15:39I absolutely agree that skin type.
- 15:41That's, that's not a unique experience.
- 15:43You had with skinning. That is exactly, you get to 100.
- 15:45So, I think the first like, skinning Quest, has you go and
- 15:48like, get some some salamander or whatever their name, it's a
- 15:52salamander. Get some scales from him.
- 15:55And before I was finished, the quest, I was 100 in skinning and
- 16:00I don't think I had picked up one bit of one item.
- 16:03That would increase my knowledge.
- 16:06Again, it wasn't until I know, I don't know and I haven't been to
- 16:08figure out because with with Mining and herbalism, it didn't
- 16:13matter what. Level my character was, it
- 16:15didn't matter really, what level my skill was?
- 16:18I was randomly getting. Those four chunks or what, you
- 16:25know that I adore, the flower petal that would increase my
- 16:28knowledge. Skinning it didn't really to be
- 16:31honest I didn't notice an uptick until I was 70 on my scanner and
- 16:38and like you said like killing not as like I haven't killed a
- 16:40whole lot of rares but killing more, I more mobs at 70 seem to
- 16:47get me those or maybe or maybe a hot fixed it people.
- 16:51Yes, Pizza Hut. Because I certainly, I certainly
- 16:55there was a there was a point where I wasn't saying anything
- 16:57and then I started to see it but still, I don't believe it's
- 17:00quite as frequent at least not in my experience, not as
- 17:03frequent as when I get in from mining or from from herbalism at
- 17:08all. Interesting, interesting.
- 17:10So kind of pivoting from from Gathering.
- 17:12How, what's your experience been with crafting?
- 17:15Is I know for me and from anecdotally, from what I've
- 17:20heard, Other people talking about professionist, everything
- 17:24like it's pretty easy. Going up to a certain point and
- 17:28then you just hit a wall. Is that is that the case for you
- 17:32have you found like easy ways to get around that?
- 17:36What's been your experience? Yeah, I've hit that wall to.
- 17:39I have a jewel crafter. I have a tailor.
- 17:44I have an alchemist ascribe and an enchanter.
- 17:50Not one of them is 100 yet my Jewel.
- 17:53Crafter is the closest and she I've got her open right now.
- 17:58She is at 86 and part of it is is there's a cop.
- 18:07I think there's a combination of things one, what the recipes you
- 18:09can get from your trainer take you up to 50 great you know
- 18:13might you're going to need to spend some gold or do some
- 18:15hunting to get the materials you need, right?
- 18:17No, big deal. Then you come to a section One
- 18:20of recipes you need renowned for and you need to make sure that
- 18:24you pay attention to which which faction has your recipes.
- 18:29Each faction I believe has to has recipes for to generally two
- 18:36crafts. Maybe it's maybe it's more than
- 18:37that but definitely like I know that jewelcrafting comes from
- 18:41the tusks are people and the driving plate Expedition.
- 18:46So need to raise my rep with the two of those before I can unlock
- 18:50some more recipes. So that's one problem is making
- 18:52sure that you're you're moving forward in your Renown in the
- 18:58right places and then also a lot of your recipes that give you
- 19:04good skill ups are for b0p items.
- 19:08So unless you just want to make a bunch of random stuff for
- 19:11yourself, you're going to need to use crafting orders and also
- 19:15some of those, I Items that give you the scallops like,
- 19:18particularly for my jewelcrafting, right now.
- 19:20All of the items that give me scallops require a spear or a
- 19:23spark of Ingenuity to make. So I most I could make two of
- 19:26them for myself. You need to rely on Crafting
- 19:31orders. and speaking of crafting orders something that I've
- 19:35noticed as well in my experience is every time that I've gone to
- 19:41try and make crafting orders, they are very sparse and that I
- 19:50kind of I kind of wanted to probably jumping a little bit
- 19:54ahead in the questions here with this one but but I in order to
- 20:01to complete the the Khloe like do five crafts, your crafting
- 20:08order specifically Quest. I've had to go on and ALT and
- 20:12send myself like personal crafting.
- 20:17Crafting her quests, in order to get that fulfilled on on my main
- 20:23just because every every time I go and try and see if there's
- 20:27any crafting orders, there's just nothing.
- 20:30Nothing, they're not in general. And so I'm having to kind of
- 20:35like do that myself, is that is that normal?
- 20:39Is that something that everybody is experiencing like what, what
- 20:42is going on there? I think for certain professions
- 20:45it's definitely more. Who than others like my dual
- 20:48crafter struggles, to get to get recipes out and for a while,
- 20:53people were posting work orders for items that do not yet exist.
- 20:57For example, the elemental area, it, it does.
- 20:59Now it exists. Now we came in with a, the
- 21:02Primal storms, but for the first two weeks that often, that would
- 21:07be, the only thing that was there was a work order for, was
- 21:10this Elemental area at that could not be crafted because the
- 21:12recipe wasn't available yet. On my scribe, people finally
- 21:20figured out that those draconic treatises which give you one
- 21:24knowledge point every week. Those are you got to you got to
- 21:27work order those if you want them.
- 21:29And finally, people realize that and then and my scribe has been
- 21:33flooded every almost. Every time I go to the the
- 21:37crafting table, there are a number of tree disorders, but
- 21:42also, I think that a lot of the items that people will end End
- 21:47up using work orders for are these gear upgrades particularly
- 21:53for things like for blacksmiths for Taylor's dual Crafters as
- 22:00well. These are either more limited.
- 22:08Ability if you pick one item right now.
- 22:10Well, now, you can get a second one because it's the second.
- 22:14I think the second week of Sparks or maybe, you know, you
- 22:17couldn't get a spark, the fire. I don't even get a spark the
- 22:18first week. Maybe you could, I think we're
- 22:20still at to, I think everybody's at to.
- 22:22Yeah, we're too. Because it was one with, for the
- 22:25intro and now that we've hit season 1, now, you're getting 10
- 22:28to make. So, a lot of the things that
- 22:32people are are getting for that. The real perp I think that You
- 22:38know, the bigger purpose for work orders is to get these b0p
- 22:41these great b0p items, it's just now opening up.
- 22:46Like that's that's that's what it is.
- 22:51You know, and I think when blizzard actually looks like
- 22:53lizard recognize that because they did send a hotfix that has
- 22:57reduced the number of items you need to craft for each.
- 23:00None of them are at five anymore.
- 23:02They reduced a handful of professions 23, work orders and
- 23:06professions like, jewelcrafting are now down to two to complete
- 23:09that Weekly Quest so wonderful. So I think wizard blizzard has
- 23:14recognized that, you know what, maybe maybe five was a lot.
- 23:19Although like for my scribe had no problem getting five over the
- 23:21Course of a week like zero trouble, but my door after I can
- 23:27I do. I'm really not sure how I
- 23:30managed to get five last week. I don't think I didn't go and do
- 23:34any alt but I think finally I'd like I took you know five Golds
- 23:38tip commission items. You know like if I can craft it
- 23:43I bought a recipe that people had been about a recipe off the
- 23:46auction house because that was the only way I felt that I was
- 23:49going to be able to get those completed.
- 23:52Which was not ideal because the vote of course a bit more more
- 23:54gold than I wanted to spend, but the way that I've been doing it
- 23:57for my tailors just like, oh well, I have, I have like an
- 24:01army of alts and they're all going to need bags eventually,
- 24:04right? So let I'm just going to put in
- 24:05work orders, but that's only going to take me through the
- 24:08amount of alts that I have that are at level 60 and can use
- 24:12those bags. So I'm just kind of like, okay,
- 24:14I don't, I don't this isn't sustainable, I think that, I
- 24:18mean, so there's I do appreciate the blizzard, put in some quests
- 24:21that kind of Explain what the crafting orders and what
- 24:25re-crafting do. But I feel like I feel like we
- 24:30need to put like a big neon light billboard like flashing in
- 24:35front of every player and say, oh my goodness will please.
- 24:39Do you understand? You can't find these items
- 24:41somewhere else. I mean I don't I don't spend a
- 24:46lot of time in trade chat because it's It's a crazy mess.
- 24:52But you often see people asking questions about work, like, why
- 24:55can't I buy this off the auction house and someone will explain
- 24:57to them. You need to put in a work order
- 24:59for it and they're like what do you mean?
- 25:01Did you not do those quests that where they totally explain
- 25:04exactly how this works? So there's still I think there's
- 25:06still a learning curve for the average player who was used to
- 25:10just going to the auction house searching for whatever they
- 25:14needed a bag. For example like you know, a
- 25:18higher Yeah, higher-end bag and just buying it right off the
- 25:21auction house. I'm not putting in a work order
- 25:22for it or realizing that sometimes you can get stuff for
- 25:24a better cheaper price if you put in a work or even with a
- 25:28decent commission, you can often, for example, Expedition
- 25:31shovels you can buy Expedition, shovels off the auction house
- 25:34there. The dragon scale Expedition rep
- 25:39item that lets you dig up Treasures, you can buy those off
- 25:43the auction house. They are completely available on
- 25:46the auction house. You can also work order them And
- 25:49I put in a work order for a couple of those because the man
- 25:54I already had the max for them and I gave a commission that was
- 25:57close to what it would self what I was going for on the auction
- 26:00house. But I didn't have to outlay all
- 26:02of the gold that they were going for on the auction house along
- 26:05with the the crafting or rather the work orders.
- 26:09Do you think that there will be an increase in work orders as we
- 26:14get further into season one? Do you think it's like really
- 26:17just now starting to Pick up now that people are actually asking
- 26:20for stuff that exists. Yeah, so I mean, this is again,
- 26:24this is my this is kind of my limited single person experience
- 26:28and over what we've had season one out for two days.
- 26:31Yeah in jewelcrafting alone I have made more rings.
- 26:38And next today, then I made in two weeks.
- 26:43Through public work orders because people now have the
- 26:48material. Do, you know, either combination
- 26:50of they now they've maybe picked up that second spark.
- 26:53That can get another item. They, they realize, maybe I
- 26:58didn't get, I ran my RAID, maybe I didn't get the gear.
- 27:02I was hoping for and we're going to try and go into heroic next
- 27:07week. So I should probably get a few
- 27:08more pieces of gear or maybe just, you know, They're finally
- 27:13realizing. Oh, this is how this works.
- 27:15Now, we've been here for two weeks and now I figured it out.
- 27:20Yeah. People started clearing out the
- 27:22the quest markers on their mini map because they were, finally,
- 27:25finally, getting fed up with, with the overwhelming number of
- 27:29exclamation marks in Belle drakon.
- 27:31When you first get there. Oh my goodness.
- 27:33Yeah. You had mentioned that you took
- 27:37you took a bit of a hit to learn to learn a particular recipe so
- 27:41you could fill out some orders. Is that something that you would
- 27:45still do? Now that we're seeing more
- 27:47action? No, I don't think I don't think
- 27:50so. I think that I think that those
- 27:54enough I'm saying and I'm seeing enough going on that.
- 28:02I don't think I need to take a lots of something I really want
- 28:04for. Unless I'm sure that's something
- 28:06I want to be able to craft. I don't think I don't think I
- 28:12would definitely do it again. Although some of those, though,
- 28:15a lot of those are recipes that came in.
- 28:16Those reconyx vials that you can pick up when fishing and you
- 28:19open it up and, or get it from swag.
- 28:21And you open up and there's a random recipe inside of it, for
- 28:25some, for any profession. I don't know all professions,
- 28:28but certainly often not the profession I had.
- 28:32So so those and some of those are coming.
- 28:35Come down in price as well. So perhaps if I hadn't gone and
- 28:37bought it you know the first week.
- 28:39Mhm. Could have put that recipe.
- 28:41Yeah. But I was trying to, you know,
- 28:44do all of my crafting Quest that I could and, you know, and I
- 28:49have the gold but certainly it's so like my tailor is someone, I
- 28:53started this week. I am not buying any recipes for
- 28:56her. She will get there when we get
- 28:58there. Okay, we've talked about we've
- 29:04talked about The crafting like the the what I would consider
- 29:10like the bread-and-butter crafting professions, but we
- 29:13also have like cooking and fishing fishing.
- 29:19Probably is doing very well right now.
- 29:23But cooking, do you think that that's keeping up with with
- 29:29other professions, like, putting putting time and energy into
- 29:33into cooking? Do you think that?
- 29:35That's something that's just as powerful profitable as other
- 29:39professions. Or do you think that that's
- 29:40falling behind? I think it's falling behind.
- 29:45I don't, I so so these Banquets, these great fees that are
- 29:51supposed to come from the community Feast World quest.
- 29:54I don't know, I don't know how to get those.
- 29:57I do. Face the community face
- 29:59constantly and I don't have any of those recipes.
- 30:02I don't know. And welcome doing wrong, do
- 30:06other people have them. I'm like I don't really know, I
- 30:09mean I must because they're on the auction house.
- 30:12So sometimes I guess it's just, you know, your luck of being
- 30:15able to get the right recipes. So I think that that's that's
- 30:23the you can only get so far with cooking if you can't.
- 30:28I mean, I do have, I mean clippings Max applicants at 100,
- 30:30you can get to 100 but but some of them are discovering Yes, a
- 30:35lot of professions have these do Discovery you craft something
- 30:38and hope in hopes to discover another recipe within that kind
- 30:41of family. I haven't discovered all of the
- 30:46recipes yet. I just messed not have the right
- 30:50RNG for that. And and and that's and that's
- 30:56tough it that that, you know, you want to be making I want to,
- 30:58I would like to make these these Banquets, to sell to Raiders,
- 31:03but I don't have the recipe for them and I don't know how to
- 31:05force might. Like it doesn't say it's not,
- 31:08it's not something I can buy. I just happen to participate in
- 31:11the community fees to get it and hopefully one day I'll get it.
- 31:16Hopefully. Yeah, I've only done I've only
- 31:19done like two of the community feast and didn't didn't really
- 31:24get anything out of it myself either.
- 31:28But yeah, I think one of the things that I've noticed is that
- 31:32it's just way harder this time around to get the feasts.
- 31:36I'd like back in shadowlands, we had I think the the feast you
- 31:42had to go farm. Thinking oh gosh he had to go
- 31:48farm Reverend driving through the yeah yeah to go unlock it.
- 31:54And there was like a handful of people in each Guild that would
- 31:58that would go over gradually. Go grind it out and then have
- 32:02that available for their guilds but for the most part like the
- 32:06focus was more on just like personal food and if a feast was
- 32:09available then you got you had a feast but I think this time
- 32:16around. and this, you know, There's, there's a question with
- 32:24with buff food and all that of, like, how, how necessary is it
- 32:29for raid teams to have feasts available?
- 32:33Is it, like, is everyone looking for the stats that Feast
- 32:37provide? And I feel like that has a
- 32:40little bit more impact of the relevancy of cooking.
- 32:43Yeah, lightning going to, I'm going to say right now.
- 32:47First here you are at the lowest geared point that you Will ever
- 32:51be in this expansion, the proportionate boost of food and
- 32:56flask and Potions. Your is has the biggest impact
- 33:00it will have ever. And each week as you get better
- 33:04geared, it will be less if you are serious about prefer about
- 33:08progression, right? If you are not a friends and
- 33:11family laid back some sort of Guild, you actually want to like
- 33:15kill some bosses. Yes, get the feast get the
- 33:19flasks or files get the Get the potions if you like the ability
- 33:25to get plus 60 haste means so much more when your base haste
- 33:32is at 300. Then at the end of expansion
- 33:34when your base haste is that like 6,000?
- 33:37Like it like it just matters so much more.
- 33:40Now. Those consumables.
- 33:42Right. That's why in pass expansions.
- 33:45As you get later into the expansion.
- 33:46They give new consumables with bigger bonuses because the
- 33:51Current could symbols aren't become negligible.
- 33:53So like people want them and their right to want them at this
- 33:58time I went and checked. I'm one of the lucky people who
- 34:02got the feast recipe. So I'm going to have to get on
- 34:05that and I mean I'm also like they're not going for as much as
- 34:09I would have. Thought even the regular like
- 34:11even the like the I guess that the Deluxe Fish meals which are
- 34:16what maybe you would use, you know, if you're not putting down
- 34:19a feast, Even even yesterday, when the service came up, and
- 34:25last night they were, I took to me, I felt they were at like, at
- 34:28a bargain like you were getting them for 50 gold or less and I'm
- 34:31like, that's insane to me that you could buy your food.
- 34:33I mean out each one. So, you know, you might have to
- 34:35buy 10 of them but still like, 50 gold for your meal.
- 34:39Yeah. To me.
- 34:41I'm like I'm going to be Sabine the whole lot more than this but
- 34:45especially especially Week 1 of season 1.
- 34:49Yeah, but you had to, I guess suppose you also had two weeks
- 34:52to maybe fish up. All of the fish, you might need
- 34:54for them and you saved them, you didn't, if you didn't sell them,
- 34:57you have a bunch of fish and you can and now they're down to 30.
- 35:00Got there about 30 goals each today.
- 35:02So if you were, if you weren't a first night Raider, you are even
- 35:05saving even more money, and they're not profitable to create
- 35:10if you're Buying the fish? Yes, you're still making, you
- 35:14know, you might be, you know, with multi crafting.
- 35:16You're getting some but they're not.
- 35:17They're really like your these are the slimmest razor-thin
- 35:20margins right now and I would be surprised if they go up like
- 35:26this, right? Like Manny said, this is the
- 35:28time when you most need that, boost that you're getting from
- 35:32the food. So we'll see, but I'm not I'm
- 35:38not super optimistic. I made a good, I made some good
- 35:41bank on food, in Shadow lambs and I'm not I'm just not seeing
- 35:46that. I'm looking like it's going to
- 35:48happen here. Yeah, you raise an interesting
- 35:52point about certain times, the materials require are just like
- 35:58so expensive that when you turn around and sell it not even
- 36:01including the auction house cut, you're not making a Prophet one
- 36:06of the ones that I've noticed is the awakened order is one of
- 36:10those. Hey, that's so expensive.
- 36:13You need three of them to make it a chant that sells for less
- 36:15than buying one. Are there other traps like that
- 36:19that you feel are like this is when you should get get on your
- 36:22gather and go around. I think for a lot of, I mean,
- 36:26honestly almost every rank 1 or rank to perhaps of almost
- 36:33anything is specially that takes any sort of Awakened item in it.
- 36:38It's going to be cheaper to go and farm for those math.
- 36:42Including those the, you know, including the awakened item, the
- 36:45you can get them from certain ones come from.
- 36:51Was it? Are and frost you can definitely
- 36:54get from picking flowers. You get Earth, fire order.
- 37:00You get more of them. I think.
- 37:01Maybe can you knock? I don't know if you're not, if
- 37:04you don't get murdered. Both herbalist, both laughing
- 37:06but then it's are and Frost from flowers and fire and Earth from
- 37:10mining. I'm often on my dual gather.
- 37:13So I'm like, I don't really I don't remember which one came
- 37:15from. What I'm like we've got a whole
- 37:17bagful of these great but certainly and part of his
- 37:21because people want to, you've got them, you've got to level up
- 37:25your crafting and you're willing to just make these at whatever
- 37:30and and you know with a region while some of the stuff isn't
- 37:34Sara Lee stackable. Well, I chance are stackable,
- 37:38right? Chance.
- 37:39Our region wide. Yeah.
- 37:41And chance stat and chance stack.
- 37:43Hmm. Yes, so you're so everybody's
- 37:47like there are hundreds and thousands of people leveling in
- 37:51chanting and wanting to get to that Rank 3.
- 37:55Um it's and it kind of it's from like the lowest.
- 38:00Easiest enchant all the way up to those crazy devotion in
- 38:05chance that take mats that are like three, four times.
- 38:11The the price you're going to get for selling the rank one or
- 38:14even the rank to. It's only when you get to rank
- 38:163, do you see any sort of profit and then it's a beautiful,
- 38:19lovely amazing profit, but I think that people will sell it
- 38:27because you just have to you have to get past that point in
- 38:31your skills. And there's you know you find
- 38:34the one thing that will do it for you that you're willing to
- 38:37spend the money on or eat the cost of Yeah.
- 38:41And they're hoping it's going to be a lost leader.
- 38:43Okay. So then the other part of that
- 38:46is do you feel that this is going to be sustained?
- 38:50There's been a lot of times we're Gathering is amazing at
- 38:53the beginning but then is not towards the end of the
- 38:58expansion. Are you seeing a similar Trend
- 39:00right now in dragon fight, or is gathering just like
- 39:03continuously? Like you don't see the end in
- 39:05sight for Gathering right now, I don't see the end in sight for
- 39:09parts of gas. During obviously, I feel like
- 39:12like the most common herb and the most common, or have already
- 39:15just plummeted in value. But but the, but the say they
- 39:22mid-range and they and the high end of each are still.
- 39:27So sir pretty far, especially cried bark is still crazy
- 39:30expensive but I also think that since off the primary way to get
- 39:37those those awakened Elementals, You're going to need to keep
- 39:41people are going to be need to keep farming.
- 39:43You're going to gather those aren't those go into basically?
- 39:47I feel like they're going to everything every piece of
- 39:52crafted gear or the things that go into making the crafted gear.
- 39:59Have you know a lot of a lot of those those items go into it.
- 40:03So I'm hoping I don't want us, I guess I was Alchemy like you
- 40:08need you need It flowers for Alchemy, you need mining for
- 40:13blacksmithing and I miss you. I don't dabble in end.
- 40:17I don't do engineering. Guess I don't know what goes
- 40:21into engineering. I'm assuming you maybe put some
- 40:24some metal into engineering, maybe, I'm not sure.
- 40:29Yeah, it's my knee, um, with with Crafters, making some Goods
- 40:36that are used by other Crafters, do you That you could create a
- 40:43profit by just being kind of a middleman where you're like just
- 40:47creating these different pieces. That been other Crafters will
- 40:50pick up to use like to make the best flask and Alchemy.
- 40:55You need high level of the glassware, which is something
- 40:58that another profession makes so, do you think that that's a
- 41:01long-term sort of sustainable thing?
- 41:03Two people could do, I do and actually, even even within your
- 41:08own profession, I Was selling on my scribe.
- 41:13I was selling some of the the inks Because it was, it was it
- 41:18made more sense for me to sell the inks rather than try to make
- 41:21them into a finished product. And that wasn't just a not
- 41:26meeting. And yes, I was getting the herbs
- 41:28myself, but I still value them as what I could sell them for
- 41:31versus. You know, they're not free
- 41:34because I wouldn't pick them. They're not free because I could
- 41:35have sold them and made some money, but it made sense to do
- 41:39that. And I think there's absolutely a
- 41:40tailoring selling intermediate products and tailoring selling
- 41:44the bolts. Versus turning them into a
- 41:50finished. Good.
- 41:52Absolutely make sense either because people don't want to
- 41:57take the, you know, they don't want to buy the items to, to get
- 42:00them from step 1. All the way to step 4, or maybe,
- 42:03just let me be there all the time.
- 42:04They're like, I don't have time to craft 12 bolts and then do
- 42:08this, and then do that. I just, I'm just going to buy
- 42:10the bolts, like, we're just gonna straight out by them.
- 42:12I don't have time for this. I wanted to do this as quickly
- 42:15as possible. Yeah, that's that's one of the
- 42:19things that I've done with my tailor is just make as your
- 42:24bolts and put it back on the auction house.
- 42:27And that's, that's how I've been able to make a little bit.
- 42:30A little bit of gold. Not, not a whole lot but just
- 42:33just enough to get by. I've been, I might I haven't
- 42:38done a whole lot with my tailor yet because she's like the most
- 42:41recent person I started and she's only 63.
- 42:43So we have a bit of a ways to go.
- 42:46I'm sorry. Spools of thread.
- 42:51You can make every Taylor can make those, but I am selling
- 42:56them as fast as I can make them. So there's always, there's
- 43:02always somebody who's happier to buy that middle item rather than
- 43:05make it themselves. Are their professional stats.
- 43:09Like, we've got things like resourcefulness, are their
- 43:12professional stats that you think are more valuable to
- 43:15particular specializations that then others just to help help
- 43:20you make things. Like we were talking about bolts
- 43:22being able to multi craft seems like something that would be
- 43:24amazing there. And also so and figuring out
- 43:28what LT craft applies to, and what multi curve doesn't is, is
- 43:33like half the battle right there because I, it doesn't apparently
- 43:36apply to everything. He can't multi craft everything.
- 43:41Like you can't multi craft thread.
- 43:44Spools of thread that there's that doesn't happen.
- 43:47It's just it did get what you get and there's and too bad but
- 43:53certainly certainly for things like bold you.
- 43:55But yeah, you and I know someone has been making some of the
- 43:58line. The satin lining is that
- 44:02apparently is a good thing for a multi, multi craft to benefit.
- 44:06From Alchemy, you would certainly want multi Craft on
- 44:11your, on your items. Resourcefulness.
- 44:17I don't, I haven't tried to max out resourcefulness too much,
- 44:21but I feel like, if you're picking, if you're doing
- 44:24something that multiplies do, I would say go multi craft rather
- 44:27than resourceful, nice. Yes, Resourcefulness will give
- 44:29you sometimes, give you some mats back, but I think that from
- 44:34what I've seen and what I've heard anecdotally that the the
- 44:39benefit is getting more of the end item rather than its.
- 44:44Yes, it's nice to get a couple things back, but you're going to
- 44:46make more. It's going to be worth more
- 44:48money to just get more of what you're trying to make.
- 44:52Okay. In terms of the Gathering, is
- 44:56there any ones that are good? I guess perception.
- 45:01Just so you could see the node from further away would be good
- 45:05so you don't so you don't have that lost opportunity but is
- 45:09there anything that is well it's you better fuel, so perception,
- 45:12let you get rare, reagents, when you're mining.
- 45:16So the higher, your perception is the more likely you're going
- 45:19to get I'm trying to because I don't pay attention to all of
- 45:24those. Sometimes you get out you get a
- 45:26proc when you're when you're mining or herbing and it tells
- 45:29you your ex got you this and I don't read all of those closely
- 45:34enough, but I believe so, finesse will get you more of if
- 45:40you're mining. Sarah, B.
- 45:43Finesse will give you more Sarah, B.
- 45:45I think perception is what says you just got some Medium with
- 45:52that Sarah B because you your perception allows you to get
- 45:56rare materials. I think perception also from
- 45:59please, if I'm wrong, someone someone yell at me but I think
- 46:04that your perception also can get you more of the elemental
- 46:06items as well because those are rare.
- 46:09So perception isn't just about being able to see more things
- 46:14pop up on the map. It's getting those more valuable
- 46:17items out of each node. Finesse is also great because Of
- 46:21finesse, lets you get more like, especially I like Vanessa and
- 46:25dried bark are my best friends because I'd like to get like a
- 46:28tried bark and not to it's worth way more than I can get eight.
- 46:34Deafness makes you gather faster.
- 46:37Yes, that's awesome. But I'm not spending money to
- 46:43get more and I, if I'm not going through a tree because I want
- 46:48something later in it, if the specialization really is just
- 46:50about deafness, I I don't care. I don't need to gather faster.
- 46:55I'm not really trying. This isn't necessarily a race.
- 46:58There's often like three more nodes right here.
- 47:01I don't need to run away. I need to kill all these mobs.
- 47:02Anyway, me Gathering it before they can attack me isn't going
- 47:05to make me leave the area but everybody has different goals.
- 47:08So maybe you do want to be able to swoop in quickly, get that
- 47:12item and get out. It really feels like perception
- 47:17would would work in tandem with your Ability to get more yield
- 47:25like you would get a proc saying, hey, you're getting
- 47:28like, let's say it's awaken awakened order out of this.
- 47:30It's like, congratulations, your perception allowed you to get
- 47:32where you can order but then because you get a better yield,
- 47:37you get two or three out of it, instead of just the one, I'm not
- 47:41100% sure if it works like that but it might.
- 47:44Because for example in the mastering the elements tree with
- 47:48in mining and actually you can now you can get like I'm not
- 47:51Crazy. You can also get Frost and are
- 47:53if you if you pick one of the sub-trees within mastering the
- 48:00elements, but every other point is either finesse or perception.
- 48:08Each you know, each spoke is either adding perception or
- 48:12finesse when you're mining Primal nodes.
- 48:15So perhaps they do go hand-in-hand I haven't done
- 48:18enough. I honestly I just kind of go
- 48:21Mindless when I when I gather and I don't I don't pay enough
- 48:25attention to this, like okay, what are my stats like, what did
- 48:29I what did I gather from this? And the thing is it changes?
- 48:32It can change for every node type your on because there's
- 48:36these trees are so complex, you can specialize, not only in you,
- 48:43there's a Sarah B subspecialization, there's a
- 48:46Draconian subspecialization. There's molten hardened.
- 48:52Titan touched Primal. So your your finesse and your
- 48:58perception could vary depending on the type of node that you are
- 49:02approaching. So it's hard to it's hard to
- 49:08even, even if you were to, you know, make a big spreadsheet.
- 49:10It's you'd have to you'd have to pay very, very close attention.
- 49:13It's not just a straight. Am I at a third bite node or
- 49:17not? It's, there's a lot of
- 49:19interaction and what are my points, how far?
- 49:21Deep did I go into that tree? Did I go into it at all?
- 49:24Gotcha, I'm going to kind of put these two questions together but
- 49:29which, which professions are the most profitable and which which
- 49:35professions are kind of the easiest to to get into in terms
- 49:43of in terms of like gold making like like which ones, which ones
- 49:47are you more likely to find success with With like, like
- 49:54like it in an entry-level I think.
- 49:57And I think this has held up for basically, every smashing
- 50:00Gathering is the lowest barrier to entry.
- 50:02You just literally have to go out there and, you know, mine or
- 50:08pick a flower or skin. It's very low barrier to entry
- 50:12that's that. It may not be the you may not
- 50:14get the hugest profits while I guess it's not profits because
- 50:18you didn't spend anything to make them but you might not make
- 50:20the most Old out of those. You'll make good gold
- 50:23particularly at the beginning of an expansion.
- 50:25You will make good goals. But may not be the most
- 50:29profitable. And it's hard to say, what's the
- 50:34most profitable because a lot of this is going to be dependent
- 50:38on. It's not just dependent on the
- 50:40the regional auction house. It's depend on what kind of work
- 50:43orders. Are you getting what luck did
- 50:45you have in getting recipes? Did you get a recipe that other
- 50:47people don't have? For example, I would love to get
- 50:50one of those elements. Lariat recipes.
- 50:52I have checked the auction house.
- 50:56Every chance I had a break, I could take a break from work.
- 50:58I checked the auction house to see if one was up because people
- 51:02were paying astronomical amounts of commissions for that, there
- 51:07are some on my server. But I, I don't know whether they
- 51:11ever saw the auction house or not.
- 51:15I think getting getting getting something that somebody else
- 51:20doesn't have yet, no matter what profession it is, will be super
- 51:25profitable and all of them in the long run, are going to be
- 51:30profitable and they may have spikes.
- 51:32You may, I know that people who got deep into enchanting,
- 51:37whether learning certain and chance, or maximizing their
- 51:40disenchanting skill early on, and Able to get.
- 51:48What is it? The right think resonant is the
- 51:49higher end Shard getting those get being able to get those
- 51:53easier. They made a lot of gold selling
- 51:56all those off or putting them into their own, you know, their
- 52:01own intense and selling those in chance at a good price.
- 52:05So sometimes it's just Getting getting the right thing first.
- 52:12But maybe those aren't like a I mean that I think ants are still
- 52:16selling well, but some of the ones that may be sold really
- 52:18well the first day or two, nobody is paying good money for
- 52:22those anymore there. Now you know ten goals and in
- 52:24Chan, nobody wants those anymore.
- 52:27Yeah. Or just more people get a hold
- 52:28of the recipe and and that markets just now flooded.
- 52:32Yeah. Yeah.
- 52:33Same thing. Like fishing.
- 52:34I, I feel like I was not a not super early.
- 52:39Early and unlocking ice fishing but I feel like I am up to ice
- 52:41fishing, a little bit ahead of the game, and I was selling my
- 52:44tuna for 400 gold each. And then a day and a half later
- 52:50150. Golf.
- 52:52Hmm. Yeah, I'd picked up a
- 52:54leatherworking recipe that I went and took it to the auction
- 52:57house immediately. Got it off of the last boss in a
- 53:00dungeon went to the auction house 400k is what the going
- 53:04rate was on the auction house, put it up for 400 K and then
- 53:08every day it's been showing back up in my mailbox and every day,
- 53:11it's knocked off like, like 50,000 gold from it, and it's
- 53:15down to, like, 30,000, at this point.
- 53:18So availability of materials and and recipes and everything.
- 53:23I feel is just skyrocketed in the last couple of days, I do
- 53:29how I do. The reason I picked up a Taylor
- 53:31is because I have heard lots of stories of Taylor's being very
- 53:35successful, not unless you're not necessarily making, you
- 53:37know, you know, you know, hundreds of thousands of gold
- 53:40and profit on individual items or even You know, even even if
- 53:45only in a day but you're making steady profits and people will,
- 53:50people are continuing to buy. Tailoring related products and I
- 53:57think that's not I don't think that's going to stop.
- 54:01I'm going to I personally think that my jewelcrafting has been a
- 54:04bust I went prospecting hoping that people were going to buy
- 54:09the gems. I got some like selling the gems
- 54:13was abysmal, I got a couple cuts and while I was able to sell
- 54:19those cuts at a good price for a day or two, Then everybody else
- 54:24got those cuts. And and then it was no law and
- 54:28because a lot of those cuts take awakened items.
- 54:33I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to follow the
- 54:34awakened stuff like forget, like we're done.
- 54:37We're done here. Yeah, but that doesn't mean
- 54:39that, you know, in another couple weeks that jewelcrafting
- 54:42will find its home and I will make a steady profit.
- 54:50I'm, I'm just maybe we Seeing that wasn't what I meant with
- 54:54first. So, on the flip side of my, my
- 54:58last question, are there? Any professions that you feel
- 55:02that? There's like, a particularly
- 55:04like high barrier of Entry? Like, is there, is there any
- 55:09profession that you feel like is just more difficult to figure
- 55:13out than the rest of them? I know that that Alchemy,
- 55:17although again, I did some hot fixing on, Alchemy, you could
- 55:20have really horrible horrible. Walk with Alchemy, a lot of a
- 55:23lot of alchemy's is based in Discovery like much.
- 55:27I feel like much more so than any other of the professions we
- 55:30have learning what you need is, is via those experimentations.
- 55:36And apparently, I have really good luck because I want to
- 55:40build myself up once out of maybe like 20 experiments and
- 55:45one of my one of my friends. He's like I only put myself up
- 55:49not once out of 20. Experiments.
- 55:53So, oh, poor guy. So so I feel like, I feel like
- 56:00that's there and there's again there's it doesn't matter how
- 56:02much you knew, how much like prep you did or how much
- 56:05knowledge you had about the profession, what you wanted to
- 56:09do with it. If you just, you just blew up
- 56:12too much or or you just didn't discover anything or you did or
- 56:17what you discovered was the most expensive of like, you know,
- 56:22Couple of guides are like you know you hope to get this recipe
- 56:26because it's the one that's likely to be the cheapest to
- 56:28make and if you can't get that one while you can, you could
- 56:33still obviously continue leveling your Alchemy was going
- 56:36to cost you like twice or three times as much as your friend who
- 56:38did get that. That's the first one I got and
- 56:41then they're on easy street. If you find yourself putting
- 56:45points in specialization and then you we don't follow like
- 56:51the advice that you're giving. Giving here or we missed a
- 56:53messed up and didn't follow what the guide gave.
- 56:56How do you feel the best way to correct?
- 56:58That is because you can't you can't unsuspecting anywhere.
- 57:00You can't Respec I'm in this, I'm in this image and I don't
- 57:05like it. That's me.
- 57:07I know, Matt, I mean I read some stuff.
- 57:11I didn't I maybe I didn't spend as much time reading as I should
- 57:14have or also I made some assumptions about the markets
- 57:18that I didn't that didn't actually pay out.
- 57:22For example my prospecting I went deep into prospecting, I
- 57:25maxed out prospecting that was not a wise move, the best way to
- 57:32remedy that I think is before you decide to put your points
- 57:36anywhere else. Think long and hard about where
- 57:38you want to put them? Come up with a game plan.
- 57:40Read some guides read actually go into the, the talent tree,
- 57:45the specialization tree and read what it says that it does.
- 57:49And read the little, the little markers out for Every Five
- 57:52Points. What exactly are you getting?
- 57:54And make sure you understand that.
- 57:55Because often the guides don't really.
- 57:57They're just like, oh you should go this way.
- 57:59Oh God. I don't know what, why am I, why
- 58:01am I doing this? Am I sure I want to do this?
- 58:04And then also make sure that you're there are a lots of guys
- 58:08out there that tell you there's some Treasures that give you
- 58:12bonus knowledge points. There's trained there are some
- 58:15trainers out in the real world in the world.
- 58:17For each profession that will give you knowledge points.
- 58:21Just make sure that You're doing all of your weekly things to get
- 58:26more knowledge points. And don't worry, it'll be okay.
- 58:29This is the expansion is brand-new the end.
- 58:32If the, the the world is has not ending, you will make gold, you
- 58:36will be okay. but just think, just just don't think a little
- 58:41bit and try to make a more informed Choice when you spend
- 58:45your points going forward, gotcha.
- 58:52So, for anyone that would want to enter the market now that now
- 58:58that the markets kind of like, gotten the balls gotten rolling
- 59:01in rolling out and everything. Anyone that that wanted to enter
- 59:05the market fresh now or even later on in the expansion.
- 59:09What advice would you have for them?
- 59:14My advice is is do your research.
- 59:18And kind of kind of get an idea of what you want to do with your
- 59:23profession. Like what is your especially now
- 59:25that we have all of these, these specializations?
- 59:27What is your end goal? Do you want to be the person
- 59:31making the the gear? Do you want to make some sort of
- 59:34intermediate item like the bolts?
- 59:38Or do you want to make robes? Or you know what?
- 59:41Actually, apparently you have to pick.
- 59:42You can give to pick certain gears a different trees.
- 59:47So like do I want like Do I will make the legs or not.
- 59:52But what do you want? What type of thing?
- 59:54Do you want to do in this profession?
- 59:55Because it's not like it was before where you literally could
- 59:57make everything? There was no, you don't have to
- 1:00:00think about, like I can make, I can make flasks, I can make
- 1:00:03potions, I can make everything think about what you want to
- 1:00:07make. and honestly, I think that waiting On about it.
- 1:00:14I waited I Depart of reason I waited on my Taylor was because
- 1:00:17I wanted to get an idea of what is, what is tailoring look like.
- 1:00:22I don't need to jump in blind on yet another profession and make
- 1:00:26mistakes and and then also look at the auction house.
- 1:00:31What are you? What is assuming you want to
- 1:00:33sell stuff? Maybe your goal is not to sell,
- 1:00:35maybe you don't want to sell stuff, maybe you're making
- 1:00:37things for your build and you only want to provide this stuff
- 1:00:39to your guild to save them money and it doesn't really matter
- 1:00:43what you're Going to sell it for but you also might want to look
- 1:00:46how how can I obtain the materials to make this are these
- 1:00:50things. I'm gonna go gather myself, do I
- 1:00:52have time to gather them myself. Am I going to be buying them?
- 1:00:55Am I going to be getting a friend to buy them?
- 1:00:57A guild mates of? I them, and think about that.
- 1:01:00Particularly, if you are trying to do this for gold, making
- 1:01:02reasons, while, and I'll admit, I gotta hide wasn't really
- 1:01:09paying attention. I'm like, let's go over those.
- 1:01:11Let's let's back into those big crazy and chance because they're
- 1:01:13selling For a million you know like you know hundreds of
- 1:01:17thousands of gold eat and then you look at what the materials
- 1:01:19are. And Miguel that's me.
- 1:01:23Yeah, maybe maybe I really shouldn't have.
- 1:01:27Maybe I shouldn't have done this because I'm not making them.
- 1:01:30I'm I'm not doing. I'm not going to make, that's
- 1:01:33not good. I'm now thinking like, you know
- 1:01:36what, I probably should have listened to one of my friends
- 1:01:37who said, um, maybe you should just go disenchanting and
- 1:01:41there's a whole tree that gets you some lovely materials from
- 1:01:44disenchanting and I could happily put those up on the
- 1:01:47auction house and feel like a profitable and tantor rather
- 1:01:52than speaking into these in chance that I'm likely never
- 1:01:54going to actually make, because they are very expensive.
- 1:02:01Okay, so then I guess for people who have limited time, engaging
- 1:02:07with professions what are tips that you could give about, just
- 1:02:11like making the best of the time that they do have again planning
- 1:02:16planning. It's you hate to.
- 1:02:20I hate to say, you know, you need to do your research, it's a
- 1:02:21video game, but if you don't want to, if you want to make the
- 1:02:26best use of your time. Some of that time needs to be
- 1:02:30spent reading. And thinking about a plan, I let
- 1:02:36me know, unless you really want. I'm like, although I'll say if
- 1:02:38you want to mine an herb, you honestly, you can make money no
- 1:02:42matter what, you could just let your dog pick.
- 1:02:44What spec you want honestly and I think you're still going to
- 1:02:47make money. You're not going to lose, no way
- 1:02:51to lose money on Gathering because it doesn't cost anything
- 1:02:55to go pick that note and there will always be something on that
- 1:02:58node. the only thing to be worried about is those decayed
- 1:03:00ones, they will kill you, they will kill you, but There's
- 1:03:05something in every node, whether it's one or ten or somewhere in
- 1:03:09between, you're going to get something and you can put it on
- 1:03:11the auction house and you can sell it, obviously, do maximize,
- 1:03:15you should pay attention but youyou literally, your pet could
- 1:03:21pick your spec and you're still going to get materials.
- 1:03:25It's fine. So if you have little time and
- 1:03:28you just want to go out there and make gold and not really
- 1:03:30have to think about it, Gathering is probably for you,
- 1:03:34although Behind the process of gathering to be the most
- 1:03:36tedious, horrifying thing that anyone can ask them to do in a
- 1:03:41game ever. So, with, with the plethora of
- 1:03:46things that dragonflight crafting, brings us and the
- 1:03:52seemingly immense amount of gold that it takes in order to get
- 1:03:55those things. Do you think that there is a way
- 1:03:58to avoid bankrupting yourself in the World of Warcraft without
- 1:04:02interfacing with crafting professions?
- 1:04:04Or not just crafting profession but professions in general.
- 1:04:10Yeah. Don't don't like don't throw all
- 1:04:12of your money at something thinking it's going to be the
- 1:04:14best. Most amazing thing ever do it do
- 1:04:17a little bit at a time test it out.
- 1:04:21Don't buy out all of, you know, Matt X because you think you're
- 1:04:25going to be able to turn that into a craft and saw that craft
- 1:04:30for, you know, a bajillion gold. Maybe try it with a baby, maybe
- 1:04:35just buy a handful and make that item put it on the access to
- 1:04:39that cell. The price draw it is a price
- 1:04:41dropping. Just do it in moderation until
- 1:04:45you're sure until you know your market and nobody knows the
- 1:04:48market yet. It is way too early and if
- 1:04:50anybody tells you they do know the market, they're they're
- 1:04:52they're they're lying. They do.
- 1:04:55Nobody knows these markets yet. So don't go all in.
- 1:04:59Don't don't take, you know, your 50,000 gold and blow it all on
- 1:05:03one material. Because that's the easiest way
- 1:05:08to end up with 0 gold. Hmm.
- 1:05:11Yeah. I will say that the last couple
- 1:05:14of weeks I have been doing dabbling in obsidian farms for
- 1:05:19keys. And, every time I've gotten
- 1:05:21those Rings, I've just been like, I'm not using this right
- 1:05:24now. Put it on the auction house.
- 1:05:26I suspect that. If somebody were to try and flip
- 1:05:29those now it would be such a money-losing process because
- 1:05:32there's just better gear available.
- 1:05:35But If I'm a Raider, if I'm a Raider, I login, I raid, or I
- 1:05:42login and I do Mythic Plus, or I login, I do like, PVP, whatever
- 1:05:45it is, I log in, and I, Matt collect.
- 1:05:49But I want to pick up a couple of pieces of gear and stuff,
- 1:05:55just so that like, you know, the rare that I have to kill to get
- 1:05:58the, the mount doesn't kill me instead.
- 1:06:00Um, what's the best way to engage with the auction house?
- 1:06:04How do I like get that flash? Your stuff without again, going
- 1:06:08broke. If you're in a guild talk to
- 1:06:13your guild mates, find out who in your guild has the profession
- 1:06:17you need, don't be shot, especially if you're a writer
- 1:06:19you should you need to make friends with your your friendly,
- 1:06:23local Alchemist or or any sort of crafter in your guild because
- 1:06:29often they're going to work with you, they're not going to make
- 1:06:32you pay at least in my experience.
- 1:06:34I never when I was in a participating in a guild I never
- 1:06:37was like, oh my God, I'm going to make you pay the same thing.
- 1:06:40I put it on the auction house, like we all want to win
- 1:06:41together. Heather.
- 1:06:45I'm not going to give it that will unless I give it to you for
- 1:06:46free because that doesn't teach you anything and it teach it and
- 1:06:50then it makes me poor but maybe maybe I'll help you farm the
- 1:06:55mats for it or I'm not going to charge you as much if you know
- 1:07:00but work with someone in your guild and if they don't, if
- 1:07:03nobody your guild wants to work with you, then maybe you are not
- 1:07:05in the right Guild because the guild should be trying to help
- 1:07:07you, especially if your rating. You should be trying to help
- 1:07:10everybody out be the best. I can be, you know, you I want
- 1:07:15that one person to be lacking in gear because they just didn't
- 1:07:18have good RNG in the raid. You know, give them some advice,
- 1:07:24give them again. I'm not saying gives, you know,
- 1:07:26don't expect it to be given to you for free, but they should be
- 1:07:29able to assist you. And also don't I know that, you
- 1:07:34know, you maybe don't want to do a whole lot outside of either
- 1:07:37your rating or maybe your Mount farming, but there's a lot of
- 1:07:42gold to be made just by literally play.
- 1:07:44Saying the game World quest give Gold Everything.
- 1:07:49I kill seems to drop some random item that needs to be rendered
- 1:07:55and those those are not nothing, those add up.
- 1:07:59So just go spend a few minutes doing some World quest.
- 1:08:02It's nice that they're not daily anymore so you don't feel like
- 1:08:05you literally have to be on every single day to maximize
- 1:08:10what you're doing. Go do a go, do a couple today.
- 1:08:14Go to a couple tomorrow or don't do any tomorrow.
- 1:08:17Take a day off I don't know you know baby you don't log in every
- 1:08:20day, you don't need to you're not missing anything but take
- 1:08:24advantage of the fact that the game itself literally playing
- 1:08:26the game will give you gold that you can use to spend on whatever
- 1:08:31else you might need on the auction house.
- 1:08:33And also friends and guilds you can do work orders with them to
- 1:08:37specifically you don't have to put it up for the public often
- 1:08:40your guild, mates won't charge anything for commission and read
- 1:08:43trade chat. If you're really in a pinch,
- 1:08:46read trade chat, some people literally are offering you bring
- 1:08:49the mats, they don't want any commission none.
- 1:08:52It's like 11 copper Commission because they need the skill up.
- 1:08:58That was an amazing answer. Like thank you so much for that.
- 1:09:03Um, I guess the last question we have is if you had a chance to
- 1:09:08direct your advice to team to to the development team, what would
- 1:09:14you want them to improve in professions throughout dragon
- 1:09:18fight in the next patch? In the next two?
- 1:09:20Patches, The biggest thing and I'm not and I really don't know
- 1:09:24what the answer is, but we need to make crafting orders a bigger
- 1:09:31thing. They need to be a bigger thing.
- 1:09:34The it's clear that the system is set up to, at least high-end
- 1:09:40crafting is set up to work around these, these work orders.
- 1:09:44But it feels like the player base is, maybe lagging a little
- 1:09:47bit behind in understanding how to use them.
- 1:09:50I'm sure that Had to guilds raiding guilds completely
- 1:09:53understand how this works because they know they need this
- 1:09:56gear or these items that are I think one of the Alchemy, some
- 1:10:03of the Alchemy items are b0p and you can work order them.
- 1:10:08But I feel like the the general player base, maybe your average,
- 1:10:12you know, Mythic plus person that's not on a big team.
- 1:10:15That's not trying to push 20s. Maybe I don't think that.
- 1:10:19I really don't think that the that the average player really
- 1:10:23is understanding when and why work orders are important.
- 1:10:28But I don't have an answer on how to fit.
- 1:10:30I don't, that's what I want them to improve but I have no idea
- 1:10:33how to do that. So that is that is an awesome
- 1:10:36answer that. Yeah, just improving the, I
- 1:10:39guess visibility of work orders better directing players so that
- 1:10:45they can use use. This resources, is where we're
- 1:10:49at right now. That like, that's really great.
- 1:10:55I have sat down with you previously to have a kind of
- 1:11:02projection sort of speculating, where we think this would go and
- 1:11:07dragon fight. And we did that on my stream.
- 1:11:10But Has Dragon flight and has the professions indirect light
- 1:11:16turned out how you expected it to.
- 1:11:19For the most part. Yes, something like I am so
- 1:11:22amazed at how in-depth these specializations are.
- 1:11:26They make everything? I do feel a little bit more
- 1:11:28meaningful and particularly for Gathering professions I've
- 1:11:31always literally day one. I've been a gatherer and I love
- 1:11:35to gather I can spend hours doing it.
- 1:11:37I do hours of non stream and for some reason people will watch
- 1:11:41that. It's one of my favorite things
- 1:11:44to do in game. And it feels meaningful and that
- 1:11:51there's diversity in my gathering.
- 1:11:53This is amazing. I'm not doing the same even
- 1:11:55though I have two people Gathering, the same thing.
- 1:11:59Have the same profession. They're doing it two different
- 1:12:01ways and it it's, it makes a difference.
- 1:12:04It makes it more enjoyable for me.
- 1:12:07I've also had people in my guild.
- 1:12:09They're like I hate mining but I like Dragon flight mining.
- 1:12:16And that goes out every there's so much depth to every
- 1:12:20profession. It's a lot more complicated.
- 1:12:25I will give you that is way more complicated.
- 1:12:28The little maybe even a little more complicated than I than I
- 1:12:31may be expected, but I think it's for the best.
- 1:12:34It's me it makes its reinvigorated professions at
- 1:12:37least in my mind. And I think it got people
- 1:12:42excited about crafting and Gathering again, which I think
- 1:12:48is the goal of the of the changes that they put in place
- 1:12:53for professions this time around.
- 1:12:55So intended effect and I also I'm I'm personally happy that we
- 1:13:01now have a region auction house. I know that there was a lot of
- 1:13:06the sky is falling. I'm never going to sell anything
- 1:13:08again. I'm never going to make gold
- 1:13:09again. I think it's great.
- 1:13:14I sell through things immediately, which is, which is
- 1:13:19the like you want. You don't want your stuff to sit
- 1:13:21on the opposite house. I mean of course there's good at
- 1:13:23like especially if it's if it's server specific stuff.
- 1:13:27I generally find himself much slower than anything I can put
- 1:13:30up. That's that's going region-wide.
- 1:13:32We have a huge player base shopping for these things.
- 1:13:35Also the availability of items is great.
- 1:13:39Even though I'm on a bigger a bigger server, There's almost
- 1:13:43anything I can imagine that I might want to buy.
- 1:13:46It's there. I'm not waiting to hope that
- 1:13:49somebody posts a couple more of something and I it's the
- 1:13:57beginning of expansion and prices are are still good.
- 1:14:04Okay, so before we let you go, we have some news stories that
- 1:14:09were actually economy-related and professional lighted.
- 1:14:13So, would love to have your take on it later if you want to take
- 1:14:16care of the first one. Yeah.
- 1:14:18So Skarsgård delivered, an update regarding bind on equip
- 1:14:24items within the Vault of the Incarnate, which will affect not
- 1:14:28only raised to world first but also the Ants and other sources
- 1:14:32of gear as well. So by not equip items can come
- 1:14:40from regular enemies and lieutenants like before but have
- 1:14:43a higher chance to come from lieutenants and mini-bosses,
- 1:14:46which is a clarification that was made.
- 1:14:48And then also the enemies before the first boss in the raid where
- 1:14:54you do the bombing run, can't drop these items.
- 1:14:56So, they're they've immediately put Halt to 22 runs of people
- 1:15:06just going in and farming like infinite resets going through,
- 1:15:11trying to farm for be Opie's and on myth, the Mythic difficulty,
- 1:15:17only bind and equip items are b0p for the first few weeks,
- 1:15:21which I think is three weeks from not mistaken.
- 1:15:24Is that it they say, the exact, right amount of weeks.
- 1:15:27I don't recall them saying, the amount of weeks that it was
- 1:15:30going to be going. Gotcha.
- 1:15:31Shh. But either way, this, this first
- 1:15:37couple of weeks of the, at the beginning of the season, in
- 1:15:40Mythic Boe, items are b0p for the first few weeks, and I would
- 1:15:46assume that is to discourage like, like super, high-end
- 1:15:53guilds are not, not even super-high and guilds, but just
- 1:15:55just skills in general from going in and being able to farm
- 1:15:58these and potentially flood the market.
- 1:16:01It with very powerful Mythic Boe items in the first couple weeks.
- 1:16:11So, I went back to the original post, it is the first few weeks.
- 1:16:14They do not give us an exact number.
- 1:16:17If they've said it somewhere else, that is news to me, then
- 1:16:22the listeners can let me know. I think I just assumed it was
- 1:16:25three because in my mind, a few is 3.
- 1:16:28So like if I if I say or I hear someone say a few that is in
- 1:16:36reference to like a very quantifiable thing like number.
- 1:16:40Of weeks. That's that's just what my mind
- 1:16:42jumps to is just 0 3. Okay cool, okay.
- 1:16:47So this bacon bits, what would you say is going to be the
- 1:16:53effect in terms of how professions will be affected by
- 1:16:56this? Because in my mind, the fact
- 1:16:59that you can't do those bo bo e runs, as easily as you could in
- 1:17:06previous raids. The fact that Mythic guilds Are
- 1:17:10not going to get any be. Oh, he's at the Mythic level at
- 1:17:14all. Means that the top-level
- 1:17:17professional professional gear. I professionally made gear is
- 1:17:21going to be sought. After, for a long time coming,
- 1:17:23like what, what do you think? I agree, I think that that's
- 1:17:26the, I think that they've, they've struck a good balance
- 1:17:29here because with the way they've made the changes to
- 1:17:33professions and with professions being able to craft this high
- 1:17:37end gear. But only but each player has
- 1:17:40Hang up being able to get a limited quantity of it.
- 1:17:43I think that I think that we do need some BO.
- 1:17:46He's like I think that I think that the individual ability to
- 1:17:52get crafted gear is limited enough that that know Billy's
- 1:17:57was kind of was probably going to hinder some guilds
- 1:18:01progression, however, not being able to just Farm, an instance
- 1:18:06is great. I think that that It wasn't
- 1:18:11great for the economy and I don't think it was great for for
- 1:18:14guilds. I mean, we all know that, you
- 1:18:15know, to some extent, you know, the girls with the most with the
- 1:18:19most gold will get can, you know, get the best gear whether
- 1:18:23that's because they can afford to have somebody craft it for
- 1:18:25them or they were buying video. He's but I think this, I think
- 1:18:30this this keeps it a little bit more level and that we do need
- 1:18:35to go to the professions unless you're unless you're actually
- 1:18:37progressing through. The Raid.
- 1:18:41And if you want to take the time to progress through the right as
- 1:18:43I some sort of like Boe, farming group, great, but you can't just
- 1:18:47Spam and get, you know, they always drop like candy also.
- 1:18:52I think that not having them be a way for Mythic for the first
- 1:18:57few weeks, whatever that means is also again a push to to the
- 1:19:02profession system which I think is great.
- 1:19:05Especially going back to my comments about not people not
- 1:19:08really understanding. The work orders perhaps?
- 1:19:12Well enough this is going, this is something else.
- 1:19:15That's kind of going to push people to realize.
- 1:19:17Do I need better gear? Where do I get it?
- 1:19:21Oh, this is how I get it. If you were to guess, since live
- 1:19:31has put out the number, 34 weeks, if you were to guess how
- 1:19:34many weeks this will go before we get bo bo.
- 1:19:40He's from Mythic. What would you think?
- 1:19:42And what would you want? I'm thinking probably three to
- 1:19:45four is probably. It is a good guess.
- 1:19:50I'm trying to think was it, was it someone that said, five
- 1:19:57weeks, or 10 weeks before, it's either five weeks or 10 weeks
- 1:19:59before you really start to get your Sparks like on a good flow.
- 1:20:04And I think it happening somewhere in the middle of that
- 1:20:08time frame. It's probably the right time for
- 1:20:11them to come up to, to become Boe.
- 1:20:15You don't want to handicap your crafting system.
- 1:20:19And I think if I think it would, I think, Think you would kind of
- 1:20:21like make it dead in the water if you had Mythic be.
- 1:20:25Oh, he's right now so I'm hoping that when they whatever that
- 1:20:32time is it's it's enough time and I think three to four weeks
- 1:20:36is probably enough time for people to start getting their
- 1:20:39crafted gear and getting enough items to maximize the item level
- 1:20:46of their crafted gear. Because obviously, if you craft
- 1:20:49gear and it's not even close to Mythic quality, it's not, it
- 1:20:54won't compete. It's not wasn't going to compete
- 1:20:56with those items anyway. So I'm not 100%.
- 1:21:01I haven't done enough research on Sparks and how often we get
- 1:21:06Sparks. And I think it speeds up at some
- 1:21:08point. I just don't know exactly when,
- 1:21:10but probably somewhere around, when those Sparks start becoming
- 1:21:14a little more of a Known quantity, that's when they
- 1:21:21should come off Boe, or be okay. They should become Boe or no.
- 1:21:26No, I'm sorry, yeah. It's gonna be oh, wait, yeah.
- 1:21:30So another factor that I just thought of is when when does the
- 1:21:36wind does the the about the state equation Catalyst?
- 1:21:39You're about to steal my thunder?
- 1:21:41I this exactly where I was going.
- 1:21:43Yeah. So I would go into say six weeks
- 1:21:45because that's when the Creation Catalyst will become active.
- 1:21:49And at that point, that's when I feel like they're.
- 1:21:53Let's let people catch up. If that becomes a clean break 6
- 1:21:57weeks. Like now, you can craft, you can
- 1:21:59turn gear into Tier gear. Now, you can get Bo, he's sold
- 1:22:05on the auction house. This is the, this is the
- 1:22:08everyone else gets to catch up system.
- 1:22:10I would ask why a good time. Yeah, I agree.
- 1:22:15Absolutely. Absolutely.
- 1:22:17I'm glad that that entered my brain before II was thinking it
- 1:22:23and then, as I as we were going through and I'm glad that we
- 1:22:26came across it at the same time, or maybe you came up with it
- 1:22:30first. And I was like, wait, stop
- 1:22:31before use the 500? Well, I did it out.
- 1:22:35So it was like, it looks like it was my idea all along, perfect
- 1:22:39perfect. But also we have another story.
- 1:22:44This one is on the other end. We have a couple of situations
- 1:22:49where Taylor's have found themselves in a bit of a stitch
- 1:22:52and I had this, use that headline because I love that
- 1:22:54pun. It's great, Taylor's if Taylor's
- 1:22:59have cooldowns for a sure we've and Chrono cloth.
- 1:23:04The it's not the same old cooldown that we've had before,
- 1:23:07where it's like one a day and then it resets with the with the
- 1:23:10daily reset. Instead, you can make a certain
- 1:23:13amount before your No longer able to make any and as you get
- 1:23:17further into specialization, you're able to go further before
- 1:23:22you are not able to make any at all.
- 1:23:25Unfortunately, there was a bug that was causing players to be
- 1:23:30able to make more than they should be able to and in fact,
- 1:23:33be able to circumvent the cool down entirely It could happen on
- 1:23:41accident occasionally, but obviously, because it was
- 1:23:45something that could be reproduced, some players were
- 1:23:48absolutely abusing it and so a ban wave had occurred earlier
- 1:23:53this week. Now this band wave affected a
- 1:23:56lot of players and some of the people have actively appealed
- 1:24:01their ban and gotten their accounts were stored in some
- 1:24:05cases, the ban wave, hit them and they were out for In days.
- 1:24:10In other cases, the most egregious cases.
- 1:24:13They've been banned for a full month.
- 1:24:16Now, miss bacon bits, were you aware of this exploit II?
- 1:24:24Did hear about it. I didn't talk about it because I
- 1:24:28generally do my thought. As if you find something that is
- 1:24:32too good to be true, you shouldn't be doing it.
- 1:24:34I mean like I've been playing well long enough to know that
- 1:24:37there's the stuff, huh? Opens bugs happen and there's a
- 1:24:41history of you getting in trouble for exploiting such
- 1:24:45exploits. So you should know better.
- 1:24:51Certainly, I think that there's a range of of behavior.
- 1:24:57Some people accidentally did it, did it a couple times not
- 1:25:01realize he's like this doesn't seem right but it's letting me
- 1:25:04do it. Let me go ahead.
- 1:25:07And then the people who like I'm just gonna spend all my time
- 1:25:09resetting it and just you know, spend all day, making them like
- 1:25:12you had to. I was actually talking with
- 1:25:15somebody else about this earlier today.
- 1:25:17I'm like you can't tell me that at some point you didn't realize
- 1:25:20that this wasn't how it was supposed to work.
- 1:25:21It tells you that it has a cool down.
- 1:25:26There's a tooltip, like there's a cow, it says, you know, what
- 1:25:29of 10 or, you know, whatever you happen to have and not your and
- 1:25:33your other crops don't have this.
- 1:25:38You can't have that after certain point, you can't have
- 1:25:41thought that this was normal and you kept doing it and I think
- 1:25:46that blizzard I'm glad that blizzard acted relatively
- 1:25:49quickly and you have to do this to discourage this kind of
- 1:25:54behavior. Otherwise people are going to
- 1:25:55Continue to do it. It's horrible for the economy
- 1:25:58especially now with the region-wide auction house, this
- 1:26:01is it can crack it can crash markets, I don't participate in.
- 1:26:07I do I can't make bolts yet many good bolts yet so I don't
- 1:26:11participate in that market but it can ruin markets and it's not
- 1:26:15the way it's supposed to be. Yeah, as a tailor, I had made
- 1:26:23one chronic off bolt to get the skill up in the knowledge that
- 1:26:27you get the first time you make anything, and then I was putting
- 1:26:30in points on Multi craft and such.
- 1:26:32So that when I was going to go into it in Earnest, I would be
- 1:26:35able to like make the best of that cool down because you know
- 1:26:39as you had has been saying you should read through the tool
- 1:26:42tips and read through what those bonuses are and think before you
- 1:26:46act. So like I'm glad that you know I
- 1:26:51watch bacon bits over on her stream and I will plug that
- 1:26:55later in the show, right? And was able to like make these
- 1:26:58make this call but if and like the exploit is easily
- 1:27:05reproducible, I can see that some people would accidentally
- 1:27:09come across this but because it could easily be reproduced.
- 1:27:15There are there's a pattern of behavior that is so easy for
- 1:27:19blizzard to catch, right. In order for people to do this
- 1:27:24that there's no way that everybody should be reinstated
- 1:27:27and I know there have been some claims from some people with
- 1:27:31reach asking that. People be reinstated that there
- 1:27:34would be that this was like such a simple mistake and nobody
- 1:27:38shouldn't be hurt. But it is exactly like you said
- 1:27:41this is something Are the people who.
- 1:27:45Either didn't get to that exploit in time or otherwise.
- 1:27:50Didn't, it didn't come across it or greatly damaged those who put
- 1:27:57their points in and now are putting points into a dead
- 1:28:01Market. Those who are trying to like
- 1:28:04sell their stuff and didn't use exploit.
- 1:28:06And now the going rate for these once rare, Commodities are
- 1:28:11absolutely floored because the markets flooded with way more,
- 1:28:15Than anybody could have expected to be in.
- 1:28:18Those are those are victims, right?
- 1:28:21Of this. And the other point is that,
- 1:28:24like why are you cheating in a game?
- 1:28:27It's a game. Like, I as professions have been
- 1:28:33in Dragon flight, where you can say to yourself, This is my
- 1:28:37tailor. This is my, this is my
- 1:28:41blacksmith. This is the jewel crafter that
- 1:28:44specializes in. Making the best settings and
- 1:28:48that can be a identity to have something that like greatly
- 1:28:54harms. Somebody whose entire play
- 1:28:57identity can now be centered around professions.
- 1:29:01That is a harmful exploit and I don't think it is a victimless
- 1:29:04exploit. Yeah, yeah.
- 1:29:07For sure, which I mean to that to blizzards credit like they
- 1:29:13have gone back and and Hold back.
- 1:29:17Some some of the bands that went out and you know they're they're
- 1:29:23inevitably with these things. Like there are going to be
- 1:29:25people that like stumble across it and those people that didn't
- 1:29:31realize what was happening. There was like oh cool.
- 1:29:35I just get more stuff now. Cool, great awesome.
- 1:29:42Like they're there and they weren't acting maliciously.
- 1:29:45So I don't necessarily think that a band is necessary for
- 1:29:49that. It's just more of like a okay,
- 1:29:52that's something that we need to fix.
- 1:29:55You gotta slap on the wrist. You know, that that's not
- 1:29:56something that you're supposed to do and we everyone can
- 1:30:01continue on but for for everyone else that was that was
- 1:30:05definitely definitely exploiting it purposefully like yeah.
- 1:30:11Silly bands, bands bands for days.
- 1:30:16Well, Miss B, you have been really generous with your time
- 1:30:20and thank you so much for coming on the show.
- 1:30:23Before you go though. Could you tell people where they
- 1:30:25can find your stream and where they could find you on social
- 1:30:27media? Well course, I want to thank you
- 1:30:30so much for having me on. It's an honor to be to be asked
- 1:30:33to join. This is, It's amazing And thank
- 1:30:37you so much. I love talking about gold
- 1:30:39making. So it was it's it's it's my
- 1:30:43pleasure. I can be found on Twitter.
- 1:30:46At bacon bits 0, 7. 8, I can be found on Twitter under bacon
- 1:30:52bits 078. I am bacon bits 078 everywhere.
- 1:30:56Instagram. Although I never use it tick
- 1:30:58tock, although it's for overwhelmed Twitter twit.
- 1:31:03All the same username, I don't think there's anywhere that has
- 1:31:07a bacon bits 078. That is not me.
- 1:31:11I gotta love that kind of brand consistency.
- 1:31:13Like chips kiss. Well.
- 1:31:16It's not a very like putting that there, the 078 something
- 1:31:19means something to me, but it probably doesn't mean something
- 1:31:21to a lot of people. So it was it's very easy to grab
- 1:31:24that all over the place then that's going to be it for us
- 1:31:30today live. Where can people find you around
- 1:31:34the internet? I'm so glad you asked.
- 1:31:36You can find me on Twitter at underscores sling spells.
- 1:31:40That's this really the only place you can find me.
- 1:31:42These days is, is just just there and And yeah other than
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