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Diablo 5 Interview: RIP Open World & die neue Karawane (Englisch) · GameStar Podcast

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  Wer GameStar verfolgt, weiß, eins meiner absoluten Lieblings-Franchise ist Diablo.
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  Ich habe mir heute eine Kette gekauft, ein Tattoo macht und ja,
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  jetzt sitze ich hier einfach und darf endlich über Diablo 5 reden.
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  Und dafür habe ich zwei wunderbare Gäste, die sich jetzt vorstellen dürfen.
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  Nice to have you guys here. Please introduce yourself to our audiences.
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  Ja, hi, my name is John Mueller. I'm the Senior Art Director on Diablo 5.
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  Und wie gesagt, du kannst meine Namen in Deutsch benutzen, wenn du möchtest. Chiron, mit der Umlage.
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  Mein Name ist Tiffany Watt, ich bin der Senior Production Director auf Diablo 5.
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  Danke, dass wir hier haben. Es ist ein Freitag. Wie excited haben Sie sich jetzt zu erinnern Diablo 5?
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  Ja, ich meine, es ist wie Tiffany und ich waren auf stage in 2019 zusammen,
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  das war seit Jahren, wenn wir die Album 4 haben.
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  So, ich bin hier alle diese Jahre später, die ich die Album 5 habe,
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  ist schon ziemlich toll.
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  Ich kann nicht mehr so sagen. Ja, wir haben es ein bisschen gearbeitet für ein
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  bisschen jetzt. Und es ist immer wirklich spannend, zu endlich be able zu share
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  mit der Welt was du hast du arbeiten. Wir haben nicht zu keep secrets anymore.
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  Um, you know, being able to tell people that in 2029, everyone's going to be
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  able to experience Sanctuary after Diablo has taken over,
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  and to begin to start talking with the community about the game that we're making
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  and really invite them in to have a conversation with us is always exciting.
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  Wir arbeiten mit such incredible creatives at Blizzard, aber wir sind ein Spiel für die Gemeinschaft.
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  Wir haben viel Spaß mit der Gemeinschaft auf Diablo 4 und wirklich hearing was
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  es war, was sie wollten von der Game zu sehen.
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  Wir waren vor dem Starten, wie wir alle waren fans von Diablo für so lange Zeit
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  haben. Und alle ließen ein bisschen Diablo. You mentioned, ich glaube,
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  your favorite ist Diablo 3.
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  A lot of people love Diablo 2. A lot of people Diablo 4, Diablo 1, Diablo Immortal.
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  And each of those games is a little bit different. And with Diablo 5,
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  we want to make sure we're making the best version of Diablo that we can.
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  And so hearing from each person about why they come to Sanctuary to play Diablo
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  and why the game has drawn them in is really important to us.
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  So being able to share that it's out, we can finally start that conversation.
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  But is it even possible to bring all these people together?
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  Because Diablo 3 is very different from the kind of vibe that it has to Diablo
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  1. So how do you try to combine all of these expectations?
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  Well, I think it really comes from...
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  Ich denke, es ist ein Thema, wie ich alles in einem Blender kombiniert habe.
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  Ich denke, es ist wie... Wenn wir angefangen haben, und das war ein paar Jahre,
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  Joe und ich und Tiffany und Michael, der Technical Direktor ist,
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  wir alle zusammenfragen.
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  Das ist, was das, was die Best Campaign Ever.
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  Ich denke, die Feedback von Lord of Hatred was that it was one of the best campaigns we've ever done.
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  And it was really because we had mastered our technology, we had a super experienced
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  team in place, and the team...
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  Also, the story became very personal between you and Lilith and Mephisto and
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  Lorath. And again, when Tyrael showed up, I mean, everybody was like,
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  you know, it was such an emotional moment.
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  I mean, I know you're a fan of Lilith. I mean, how did you feel during the fall
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  with the Das war's. Wenn die Ablohne war, war es hart. Es war Tears, right? Ja, wirklich.
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  Aber es war so ein guter Moment. Ich war so einfach in die Moment.
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  Ich war so into die Spiel.
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  Und das ist das ein Campagne, wenn du einfach ein Teil dieser Welt bist.
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  Und du fühlst es. Ja, und das ist das, das, das, das, das, das,
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  das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das, das,
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  das, das, das, das, das, das. Aber wir wirklich, es ist ein Teil unserer,
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  es ist unser Emphasis auf 5.
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  Es ist wie, wir wollen, nachdem wir das gemacht haben, wir waren,
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  wir wussten Diablo was at the center of our story.
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  Und es ist, er ist ein Demandungsgerät.
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  Definitely. Und es ist wie, er ist nicht going zu sein, mit der Expansion.
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  Und wirklich, all of our ambitions grew aus dem als Charakter,
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  all jokes aside, ich denke, wir wirklich um,
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  When we put the number five on it, we knew that that means a lot of things.
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  It means we have to be bold. It means we have to be ambitious.
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  And it means we have to meet incredibly high expectations.
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  Like with four, we had to meet incredibly high expectations.
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  And I felt we met those. I could ship.
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  I think that generally speaking, the first 30 days of the game,
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  everybody was very happy.
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  And then, of course, like all
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  ARPGs, there's always that sort of like the things that could be better.
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  But we've worked on those for the last several years. und ich fühle mich wie,
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  wie es sich landet mit Lord of Hatred aber auch weiterhin mit dem Season 15.
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  Und es ist ein realer Banger.
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  Ich weiß nicht, ob Sie die Panel heute gesehen haben. Unfortunately, nicht.
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  Wir waren live-streaming die ganze Zeit. Ich möchte es auf die Zeit,
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  wenn wir... All drei der Primeevals sind in Season 15.
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  Und ich denke, drei Jahre ist eine lange Zeit. And the road to Diablo 5,
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  as we call it, is going to be paved with a lot of fun along the way.
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  A lot of great content. The Amazon is coming to Diablo 4. I was still filled.
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  And many more surprises still up our sleeves. So this, you know,
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  going back to like things we wrote down, one of the things that Joe wrote down,
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  and this was really important to him, was like community involvement.
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  And that means announcing early because you can't have it unless you tell people what you're doing.
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  And I think was or it was, you know, when we did a lot of our community stuff,
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  it was towards the back end of the game and it was harder to implement that
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  feedback because you're trying to triage and get the game done.
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  But there's some really strong feedback that comes from the community.
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  We need that early, you know, and so, you know, I know it's I know there was
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  a lot of surprise that we announced the game.
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  But the reason for that was that sort of our commitment to the community.
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  So will the story in Diablo 4.
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  Evolve more into the story of Diablo 5? So is there a connection between the both games?
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  Will there be one, maybe? Well, there's a hundred years between the two games.
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  And we did that very intentionally because we wanted to create a lot of space
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  because we knew we'd need it.
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  Und wir sind ein ziemlich krafty group und wir werden nicht alle unsere Karten
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  jetzt aber wir wollen die Road zu be exciting.
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  Und wir showen, was wir,
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  Die Angels sind in front of the gates of Westmarch burning.
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  The stakes couldn't be higher. So how did that happen and how did we get there?
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  Diablo winning, all of this stuff is going to be revealed. Okay,
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  so we will possibly experience that, everything, how it happened in Diablo 5.
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  Because there's also this new series that people are talking about.
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  Ja, ich gehört about that. Vielleicht zwischen Diablo 4 und Diablo 5.
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  Wir haben nichts zu tun, heute.
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  Wir waren sehr glücklich, dass wir zu announceen. Ich weiß, dass wir das Ganze
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  noch nicht mehr tun haben.
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  Und ich glaube, es wäre toll, es wäre wirklich toll, wenn es möglich wäre,
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  aber wir haben keine Details.
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  Okay, wir sind ja noch mehr Details. Same. As soon as possible, of course.
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  Aber du hast bereits erwähnt, dass Sanctuary ist, dass alles verletzt ist.
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  Was ist die Motivation, die Motivation, außer nur die Lüte zu holen?
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  Und, ja, einfach über Sanctuary.
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  So, du bist der Heir von Westmarch. Und das ist eine der Unterschiede,
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  die in den letzten Spielen. Du oft warst die Wanderer oder die Nephilim.
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  Es hat nicht so eine persönliche Angelegenheit zu dem story.
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  Mit Slaughter of the Hatred und der Story mit Lilith, und der Angelegenheit
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  zu Lilith, wir haben eine große Erfolg mit dem, where players were really engaged
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  in what was playing out on the screen. And you mentioned you had an emotional reaction.
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  I remember when I told John I beat the campaign, he was like, did you cry?
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  And I did. And I've never cried in a video game before. And that connection,
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  it really landed with an incredible impact. And it reinforced the direction
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  that we were trying to take Diablo 5.
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  And we leaned in even further to really telling a really compelling story.
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  Now, as the heir of Westmarch, you have a personal stake in this story.
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  Jennifer mentioned that we hinted that the fact that you have a very unique
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  connection to Diablo, you're the only one that can enter the terror realm,
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  which is his personal area of hell, and come back.
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  And so as you're playing through the campaign, you'll start to learn why is
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  that the case. And even outside of that...
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  He has taken over a kingdom that is yours.
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  And so while you are on the run at the beginning of the story,
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  this kingdom is something that you want to reclaim.
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  So it's not just we need to take Vaxing Tree because this is their land and
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  having the demons overrun it is a bad thing. But this is land that is supposed
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  to be yours. It is your domain.
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  And so in a lot of different ways, the story is very personal.
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  Outside of, of course, healing demons, visceral combat, more classes than ever
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  before, and picking up really awesome loot.
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  People ask, where is the hope in the story? Because it's such a dark,
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  we're saying it's a lot of dark. And if you see a lot of the concept art that
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  we released, it definitely lives up to that.
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  But you are the heir to Westmarch. You are the hope in the world.
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  When you meet people, you are the person that can reclaim the kingdom.
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  And I think that's really one of the really great conceits of the structure of the story.
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  People know you. You know, you're not just another kind of wanderer or an unknown character.
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  And I think this goes back to like D1 a little bit for me, like that type of
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  story with like, you know, Louis Oric and the sort of the Mad King and all this stuff.
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  Like a lot of the structure of the story, you know, the characters,
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  you're inhabiting a character and that character becomes really personal to
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  you through the journey.
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  So in this whole area, it's all procedurally generated and everything is destroyed.
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  So how do you make sure there are a lot of points of interest and how does environmental
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  storytelling work in this kind of environment?
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  Yeah, it's a great question. And I think, you know, one of the other things
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  that we wrote down was, you know, sort of our pillars for the game was constant discovery.
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  You know, I think a lot of people loved when you first opened Diablo 4 and you
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  started in Nivesk, which was the small town, and then there was the Fog of War,
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  and you didn't know what was out there.
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  And then there was all the statues to Lilith and there was all the towns to
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  discover and the first time coming into Kyovishad.
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  And those were all really good feelings. Like, I love that part of the game.
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  But of course, once you explore that continent, the fog of war never came back
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  because it was not fun to necessarily do that again because the world didn't change.
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  Yes. In this case, every time your caravan moves, the world changes and that
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  fog of war is always there.
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  And so that constant discovery is like every time you move the caravan,
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  you don't know what's out there.
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  Because of the world's procedural, this is our third game using this technology,
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  Diablo 3, Diablo 4, and now Diablo 5.
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  And we've really leveled up. Like I said, we branched our technology well over
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  a year ago, and we've been working to specifically upgrade a lot of our tech
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  so that our procedural generation,
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  can basically look just as epic as our open world did.
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  And it does. I get to see it every day, and I'm really excited how the game
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  works. So this is not an open world anymore? No, es ist nicht.
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  Es ist ein procedurale-builtes Spiel, wie viele ARPGs.
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  Diablo 2 war das, Diablo 3 war das.
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  Ich denke, dass wir uns das tun, was es uns zu tun, ist es uns zu adden,
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  neue Tiles zu machen. Es ermöglicht uns die Welt, es uns zu dynamisch verändern.
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  Die wir uns für die Story und die Campaign, so es nicht nur eine Fixed-Space,
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  das ist für alle Inge-Inche.
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  Und ich denke, was das gibt uns ist viel flexibilität in wie wir die Geschichte,
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  zusammenbauen. Das ist unglaublich.
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  Aber viele Punkte von Interessen. Okay, ja. Viele, wenn du Strongholds in Diablo
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  4 bist, viele Leute like Strongholds, die haben eine Story und Content in eine bestimmte Location.
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  Das wird immer noch da sein. Das ist das, was wir können in unseren Points von Interessen.
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  Und wir können immer noch das in die Spiel. Weil viele Leute sagen,
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  Are you going to add new strongholds to the ones that are there?
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  It's like, well, we can't change that continent the way it was built.
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  And this is another reason why we had to kind of go back to the drawing board
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  and re-engineer the game so that we could do all this.
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  You already mentioned the caravan as well. And people are wondering out there
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  because we were asking our community, so how will this happen?
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  This wandering hub that we have there. Will there be deep storytelling with
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  the characters you meet there also in the carrow when as well?
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  Absolutely. So when you first start out in the story, your carry-man is very small.
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  It's you and a wagon, maybe your best friend that's with you because the world
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  is destroyed, right? You've just been struggling to survive.
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  You are on the run. So you don't have a lot of allies.
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  As you begin progressing through the story, you will come across survivors.
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  And it's pretty rare when you find somebody that's worth saving because I think,
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  at the heart of Diablo 5 it's like, what must you become when the world has already ended?
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  And a lot of people have to make choices that maybe aren't great.
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  And so coming across a character, you have to make that decision of,
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  you know, like, why, how have they survived? Because it must take quite some
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  fortitude to have survived this long on your own.
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  And what are their motivations for joining? And so when they do join you,
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  Ich bin ein wirklich fan von Oregon Trail, aber dein Caravan ist zu werden.
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  So, es gibt ein visualer Storytelling, es beginnt aus klein.
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  Als du durch die Campaign durchführen und du mehr Allais gewinnen,
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  mehr Leute in deinem Caravan und in der Kampf gegen die darkness wird,
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  dein Caravan ist zu werden, und dein Circle ist zu werden. Und ich finde es,
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  As the caravan grows, you push back the darkness maybe a little bit more.
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  And to your point, you will meet characters that you will get to know.
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  Jennifer says that we don't have side quests in the way that Diablo 4 has,
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  or a lot of games, where they're often, in terms of the story,
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  narratively not very impactful.
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  Everything that you do, all of your side content comes from talking to those
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  caravan members and learning more about their individual stories.
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  So you will learn a lot about these characters. John says the cast of characters
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  is maybe like a cast of characters in your favorite TV show.
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  So while you're traveling, you get to know them better.
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  And you'll learn more and uncover more about them. And by the end.
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  You'll deeply know them, maybe like at the end of Game of Thrones,
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  you know this robust cast of characters and each one of them ist,
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  und es hat wirklich gut Geschwistern.
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  Wir sind wirklich sehr froh. In der Gameplay, die Karavan ist,
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  Sie openen die Map und entscheiden welche Region der Westen Kontinent Sie wollen.
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  Und dann, Sie移st Ihr Karavan zu dieser Location. Und dann, wie John sagte,
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  Have a new map that has a Fog of War on it, and then you need to discover all
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  the locations that are within that map. And it will have varied gameplay.
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  Even if you've been to, let's say, Westmarsh before, it's going to look a little
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  bit different. That's where the procedurality comes into play.
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  The landmarks that you come across will be different. The padding,
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  the monsters and demons that you come across will be different.
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  And we'll be able to layer in, depending on which Dread Commander is taking
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  over that region at the time, you will see their influence as well.
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  Yeah, and the Dread Commanders, we're having a lot of fun with them because
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  they're essentially the mortals that Diablo has elevated to like a Duke of Hell status.
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  So, you know, we have the lesser evils like Indario and Durial,
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  and we didn't want to necessarily use them. We wanted to come up with something
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  new, and we thought these are, you know, mortals corrupted by Diablo that have
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  also their own special gift.
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  And, you know, that's really like, you know, they are all very different.
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  You know, they're visually very different because they all are corrupted by
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  greed or different, you know, the things that they desired.
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  Diablo gave that to them for basically betraying their own kind and betraying humanity.
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  Und so your story is very intertwined with them and I think that.
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  Seeing how they come in and take over an area it's going to be very visually
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  distinct because they all have a different look and we can change how they affect
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  an area and it's very visual and it's,
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  very they come in with their own army of monsters so I think that's something
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  that's going to be really unique about the game as well. Sounds very unique, sounds nice.
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  About Diablo, we also get to know him a little bit better.
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  So will it be the Diablo we know from Diablo 4? Or is he like,
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  Did he evolve? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, every time, you know,
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  Diablo has come into the frame, you know, he's evolved a little bit.
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  Yes. Right? Diablo Prime, Diablo 2, Diablo 1.
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  Our, you know, another thing that, you know, I just got from,
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  you know, talking with somebody was like, you know, it should be the best boss fight ever.
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  You know it should really be like and the version of this character that you
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  meet should really should really.
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  It's kind of like Lilith when we created Lilith she was an existing character
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  she was actually in Diablo 3,
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  not a lot of people remember that because really what people have in their mind
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  now is what we created in Diablo 4 so in Diablo 5 we want that version of Diablo to be,
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  the character that becomes the like the clearest vision of that character that
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  Blizzard has ever built.
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  We'll have some exciting things to share about that in the future,
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  but we're not quite ready to reveal Diablo just yet. I love that he was behind
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  the smoke in that. He was in there.
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  A lot of blur, though. Yeah, looking forward to hearing more about Diablos as well.
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  And you said there will be more heroes than ever or more classes? More continents.
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  Yeah, I love Joe's ambition with this, and he shared yesterday that at launch
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  Diablo 5 will have more playable classes than any other Diablo has ever had
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  even at the end of its life.
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  So that has been really exciting. We announced the return of the fan favorites
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  Demon Hunter and Monk, which are in Diablo 3 and Diablo 4, sorry, Diablo Immortal.
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  But because Joe has such a great vision for the gameplay and the class variety,
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  we get to introduce some new archetypes that we haven't before.
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  Und wir haben das in Diablo-Guinst mit den Spirit-Borren und.
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  Die Blood Knight in Diablo Immortal. So, being able to explore new archetypes
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  is always really exciting. It's like, oh my gosh, we had to come up with a new class.
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  And so, obviously, the Plague Knight is what we announced yesterday.
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  He's someone that is, like, really armored on the battlefield,
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  spreading contagion and disease. Really gross.
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  But that's just so cool to be able to ideate on some new ideas.
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  And the team, John's team, coming up with new visuals for you.
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  He's not gross. He's cool. He's gross.
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  I love the Necromancer. I think Plague Knight might take over.
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  Yeah, I mean, obviously when he shows up to a party, he's not the most...
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  Maybe he smells a little bit. I mean, he's got some problems,
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  but the Plague Knight is going to be, all jokes aside, it's going to be one
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  of those darker classes that I think that people love. He kind of sits between
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  somewhere between the Necromancer and the Paladin.
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  You know but like yeah so queen necromancer paladin that's,
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  crazy but i'm looking forward to that yes okay so thank you very much i'd love
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  to ask you more about all the heroes uh all the classes i'm pretty sure um you're
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  not allowed to tell us more about that we'll have more to share in the future yeah we will so,
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  thank you so much um for talking to us thank you so much for your time i hope
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  you have a great time at blizzcon so the last hours that we have yes and yeah
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  i'm Ich werde das Warcraft Forever verwendet werden.
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  Oh, ja, du solltest. Ich habe es bereits gespielt. Es ist großartig.
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  Wir sind noch mehr über Diablo 5.
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  Vielen Dank, Leute, für die hier. Also, check in auf Season 15.
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  Es wird ein banger sein. Ja, ich will. Du kannst es auf Switch 2 spielen. Ja.
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  Ich habe es auf Switch 2. Ja, jetzt haben wir eine gute Idee.
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  Ja, definitiv. Ich habe Diablo auf die go. Vielen Dank, Leute.
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  Viel Spaß. Vielen Dank. Bye, bye.