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ITB on WBCB: Former Eagles WR Jason Avant Joins Mosher, DiCecco To Break Down Birds · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We now go live to Chicky's and Pets for the
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  Speaker 1: Pro Football Report presented by VCWSA. Now Here are your
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  Speaker 1: hosts from Inside the Birds, Jeff Mosher and Andrew didcheck Oh.
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  Speaker 2: All right, hello everybody. You are listening to the Pro
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  Speaker 2: Football Report presented by BCWSA right here on fourteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: WBCB and one O seven three FM and scene live
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  Speaker 2: at wbcbsports dot com. Jeff Moscher here, Andrew de'checko from
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  Speaker 2: Inside the Birds and greeting us with his presence former
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  Speaker 2: Eagles wide receiver Jason evont. They want to know if
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  Speaker 2: you could suit up and play Thursday night against the Giants.
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  Speaker 3: My friend, No, I can't. No, you can't too. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I can talk about the game, though you.
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  Speaker 2: Can't talk about the game. Well, that's why we brought
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  Speaker 2: you in. Great to see you, you too, buddy. Awesome
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  Speaker 2: to have you here. And it's probably pretty fitting that
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  Speaker 2: we got him here year a week not only after
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles lose, but once again, the passing offense is
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  Speaker 2: something that I think we need you to take a
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  Speaker 2: scalpel and a four steps two with us, because obviously
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  Speaker 2: it's been a big story and it's been a disappointment
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  Speaker 2: to say through five weeks of the season, would you
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  Speaker 2: fairly call it that.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that this has been a work in progress.
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  Speaker 3: The disappointment is another way of saying that. But it's
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  Speaker 3: a work in progress, and you expect some small bumps
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  Speaker 3: because this new offensive coordinator. You don't expect it to
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  Speaker 3: be so drastic with so much talent on the team.
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  Speaker 3: But remember we're thinking about yesterday's success and today's success.
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  Speaker 3: Won't you know, yesterday's sex won't hope today. So the
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  Speaker 3: offensive line is the biggest thing that I think that
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  Speaker 3: contributes to the passing game. If you are not blocking
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  Speaker 3: well or you're not effective in a run game, it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be harder to throw because the lanes are less.
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  Speaker 2: But overall this pass game, I thought that Kevin Toole
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  Speaker 2: call a good game.
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  Speaker 3: And most people don't want to they don't want to
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  Speaker 3: hear that, But I thought he called a really good game.
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  Speaker 3: He married multiple formations and personnel groups. Seventeen yard run
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  Speaker 3: by by Barkley was set up by a deep cross
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  Speaker 3: on that same one and AJ Dillon had a nine
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  Speaker 3: yard run on it, same formation, same side right, so
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  Speaker 3: there was multiple plays out of that formation. That were
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  Speaker 3: successful in the game, and he did that multiple times.
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  Speaker 3: There's guys wide open down the field in this game.
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  Speaker 2: In particular, I would say.
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  Speaker 3: Jalen left probably a good I don't know, seventy five
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  Speaker 3: yards passing more out there besides the one of a J.
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  Speaker 2: Brown.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So there's a bunch of positives from the game
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  Speaker 3: because I thought the passing game was actually there. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's because we knew that the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos are going to play majority man the man coverage,
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  Speaker 3: but I thought that the scheme he divised.
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  Speaker 2: Some really good play calls.
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  Speaker 3: The one AJ Brown was a great play call, the
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  Speaker 3: one that Smitty was a great play call, the one
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  Speaker 3: that Saquan was an amazing play call.
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  Speaker 2: Play call.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought Kevin Sulo did a good job. Now
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  Speaker 3: yesterday's yesterday. The last four games or so not so much.
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  Speaker 3: But I thought it was a step in the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: Now, while we're on the subject of the passing game, Jason,
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  Speaker 4: I would love to get your opinion on this, because
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  Speaker 4: this has been a play that's been talked about pretty
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  Speaker 4: heavily since Sunday. The deep shot to AJ Brown, to me,
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  Speaker 4: it looked like inability to track the football rather than
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  Speaker 4: maybe slowing up on that what you read on that play.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So here's again to my point, I thought
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  Speaker 3: Kevin Sulot did a good job because Aj Brown has
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  Speaker 3: been stagnant for the first four weeks. This particular game,
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  Speaker 3: he went in motion a lot. He was in different
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  Speaker 3: positions a lot. In this particular play, he was in
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  Speaker 3: the slot. He's not accustomed to doing slot releases. You're
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  Speaker 3: usually releasing against linebackers and or cornerbacks, and you have
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  Speaker 3: to know the coverage more so than when you are
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  Speaker 3: in the outside. You have to be able to anticipate
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  Speaker 3: with the guy's responsibility is.
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  Speaker 2: In front of you.
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  Speaker 3: So AJ Brown as a novice in the slot, they
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  Speaker 3: were in a certain coverage and he went straight ahead
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  Speaker 3: and he got rerouted like four yards inside. That was
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  Speaker 3: like the biggest part of the play. But if he knows,
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  Speaker 3: if he knows that that defender is a hook curl defender,
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  Speaker 3: if you stem outside to start, he has to honor
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  Speaker 3: his levers and now you open, he opens the door
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  Speaker 3: for you. And he didn't know that because he's not
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  Speaker 3: in the slot right So once he gets to the safety,
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  Speaker 3: he's already he already spent his time of route running
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  Speaker 3: because he got rerouted.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't have time.
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  Speaker 3: To work a move on the safety, and when he
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  Speaker 3: got to the safety, he sticks him and then doesn't
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  Speaker 3: move on him. Jalen's clock is like, dude, I gotta
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  Speaker 3: get this ball up. I gotta get this ball up.
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  Speaker 3: If Aj was just stayed straight, it would have been
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  Speaker 3: like a fifty to fifty contest. He did a move,
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  Speaker 3: Jalen overthrows him, but that started at the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 3: and yes, his clock went off because his time was
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  Speaker 3: spent at the line. And then he did another mo
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  Speaker 3: which was totally outside the framework and something that they've
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  Speaker 3: never practiced before. So it's more so route running technique
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  Speaker 3: from the slot when you're outside receiver.
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  Speaker 2: So that really throws cold water on the idea that
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  Speaker 2: either Aj was dogging it on the route because he
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  Speaker 2: didn't get the ball early, or Jalen overthrew it because
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  Speaker 2: he's not throwing an accurate point.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, Neither one of those things are
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  Speaker 3: are necessarily true.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I thought Aj should have kept.
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  Speaker 3: Running even even though but it's not something that's familiar
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  Speaker 3: to him because he's not in that position A whole bunch,
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  Speaker 3: and especially when you're time, you don't have the timing
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  Speaker 3: of being in the slot and going against safeties from
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  Speaker 3: that position, right, being seven eight yards inside, then you're
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  Speaker 3: used to you're used to being in I just think
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  Speaker 3: that it's a different, you know, thing for him and
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  Speaker 3: therefore is incompletion. But I thought it was a great
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  Speaker 3: play call.
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  Speaker 2: It was, so so let's attack this. Then from a
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  Speaker 2: big picture standpoint, talked to both of you guys about this,
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  Speaker 2: because Jay, you played here, lived here. You know what
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  Speaker 2: it's like. The Eagles lose one game. The Eagles had
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  Speaker 2: won twenty of twenty one games twenty twenty two. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you would have asked any Eagle fan twenty four
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago or whatever games ago, hey, would you sign
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  Speaker 2: up for that? They'd say, yeah, give it to me please.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up, and they lost every big game they played.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what it's like these days after a loss,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, not only did they lose, but everything from
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  Speaker 2: weeks one to three to four that didn't look good
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  Speaker 2: get thrown into the fire. Yeah. I don't also want
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  Speaker 2: to ignore though, that there were some things from weeks
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  Speaker 2: one through four don't look good. So when you compare
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  Speaker 2: them at this time last year when they were two
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  Speaker 2: and two and there was a lot of question marks
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  Speaker 2: about the team, and you look at them now at
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  Speaker 2: four and one with some question marks. Are you how
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  Speaker 2: are you feeling about the direction and the trajectory of
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  Speaker 2: the team. I was more worried Lash. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's comparable.
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  Speaker 3: The reason is is that you like the defense was
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  Speaker 3: a problem for last year At times offensively we were struggling, but.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that we couldn't really stop.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone, even though we had a close game brus Cleveland
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  Speaker 3: last year.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's different because.
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  Speaker 3: We have a young offensive coordinator and I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if he has the tools at this point, not saying
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  Speaker 3: that he won't, but you're working with the guy that's
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  Speaker 3: learning on the job. And remember twenty twenty three, you
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  Speaker 3: bring in Seane to sigh.
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  Speaker 4: You have Matt Patricia.
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  Speaker 2: You have Matt Patricia.
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  Speaker 3: You have these young guys or new to that position,
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  Speaker 3: and you get into adjustments and you don't know how
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  Speaker 3: to adjust your way out of situations. That's the good
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  Speaker 3: thing about having Kellen Moore, and that's the good thing
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  Speaker 3: about having Vic Fangio. They are able to see everything
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  Speaker 3: and be able to adjust quickly, and we have a
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  Speaker 3: younger guy takes them a little bit longer.
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  Speaker 2: So am I worried? I'm worried more so because the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line isn't playing well.
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  Speaker 3: Guys that we know can play landon Dickerson maybe dealing
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  Speaker 3: with the injury, is not playing well at all. Lane
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  Speaker 3: Johnson is not on the field much. Jordan, my lot
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  Speaker 3: of missus plays. Cam Jurgens is not playing at the
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  Speaker 3: level that he normally does. So I'm worrying more so
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  Speaker 3: about the offensive line because there was multiple plays this
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  Speaker 3: past game where there was a clear running lane, but
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  Speaker 3: there was a guy backside who got beat across their face.
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  Speaker 3: We've been spoiled with Jason kelce at center so much
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  Speaker 3: because if there is an offset meaning that Jason Kelsey's right,
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  Speaker 3: he's at the center, and there's a technique whatever it is,
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  Speaker 3: he's a three technique, whatever it is, he's.
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  Speaker 2: Way outside over the guard somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Jason Kelcey still can cut that off because he was
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  Speaker 3: so fast.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, Cam Jurgens can't do that right. He needs help.
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  Speaker 3: And when you don't have a guy like Makai Beckton
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  Speaker 3: or whoever, else that can assist, and you have Tyler
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  Speaker 3: Stein that's just working for himself at times. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's a little bit harder. So the offensive line makes
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  Speaker 3: me think that this is only different than last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, that was a roundabout all starts, right, Drew
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  Speaker 2: up front and with the running game in the offensive
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  Speaker 2: line and the defensive line. Yeah, but we're talking. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I felt like the defense only let down because
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  Speaker 2: they're on the field so much as opposed to defense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and the offensive line, to to Jason's point,
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna take another hit for the next week or two,
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  Speaker 4: presumably with Landon Dickerson likely out this week and maybe
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  Speaker 4: even next. So that's gonna be Brett Toth up at
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  Speaker 4: left guard, So that that's gonna affect a lot of
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  Speaker 4: things as well.
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  Speaker 2: You're you're, You're in the locker room. And I'm curious
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  Speaker 2: because I know Jeff McLean tweeted something from Cam Jurgens. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't know if he sent it to a
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  Speaker 2: packer just Jeff, but he said, hey, he admitted that
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  Speaker 2: having back surgery. He it's not that he's injured, it's
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  Speaker 2: not a re injury, but he's not to the form
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  Speaker 2: that he's ordinarily at. And to Jason's point, when you
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  Speaker 2: combine that with Lane Johnson being in out of the
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  Speaker 2: games and Dickerson clearly not.
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  Speaker 4: Being he had the knee, he had the back, and
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  Speaker 4: now it's the ankle. Tyler Stein's new to the new
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  Speaker 4: on the line this year, so it's fair to have
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  Speaker 4: these questions. And for Cam Jurgens, I think it's worth
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  Speaker 4: mentioning that he had off season back surgery and he
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  Speaker 4: wasn't working in a full capacity in training camp, so
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess we should have seen this coming,
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  Speaker 4: but it's it sounds like it's going to be something
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  Speaker 4: that they're gonna have to work through because they don't
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  Speaker 4: have their by week until week nine, so there's not
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  Speaker 4: really an opportunity to press pause. You're gonna have to
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  Speaker 4: keep working through it.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing I'll say too, is that we have
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  Speaker 3: the most predictable snap count. We have the most predictable
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  Speaker 3: snap count is because of the technique of Tyler's theme.
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  Speaker 2: He's this big, tall dude.
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  Speaker 3: That right before the snap he gets down, tap, he taps,
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  Speaker 3: get down the ball to snap.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, because.
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  Speaker 3: He's so obvious, everybody can time that up.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So you as big as he was, did a
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  Speaker 2: better job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because Becton was down in his stance and tapping right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's totally different from a guy being totally upright
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  Speaker 3: getting down tapping in the ball. This snap is so
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  Speaker 3: much easier to see and to be able to anticipate
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  Speaker 3: than a guy being down tapping, And there's some some
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  Speaker 3: some ambiguity there, So I think that I think they
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  Speaker 3: have to clean that up along with the injuries. Right,
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  Speaker 3: But I think that's a huge tale for us and
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  Speaker 3: for people getting off the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that just coaching for him? Time for
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  Speaker 2: Cam Jurgens Uh. I'd like to say time for Landon Dickerson,
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  Speaker 2: but unfortunately he keeps going. He's a little bit bigger
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  Speaker 2: playing out of it. Looks to me he's bigger than
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  Speaker 2: what he's been. I'm pretty sure on that. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if time or just an entire next offseason is
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  Speaker 2: going to get it back to form. But is this
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  Speaker 2: sort of your biggest concern about we talk about getting right,
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  Speaker 2: can this unit get right? I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yes, I know that they have the talent, right,
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  Speaker 2: do we have the time this season. That's that's the question.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that I don't pass
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  Speaker 2: this pass game run.
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  Speaker 3: They've been They've been fined and passed pro pretty much
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  Speaker 3: this whole year.
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  Speaker 2: Four to zero six sacks were on Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: The last two of the game were actually legitimate sacks,
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  Speaker 3: the one from the slot blitz McMillan and the one
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  Speaker 3: where it was Benito and he just collapsed up the
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  Speaker 3: pocket on the last drive. Those two sacks were Jay
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  Speaker 3: were were legit sacks on offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of them were Jalen taking sacks. What was Jalen's.
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  Speaker 4: Demeanor like, like it always is stoic. Yeah, they know
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  Speaker 4: that they're not playing the standard and he often uses
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  Speaker 4: the word execution as to when he points to the
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  Speaker 4: lapses offensively. But I don't get the sense that Jalen
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  Speaker 4: or really anyone's down necessarily on the offense. They know
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  Speaker 4: that they have the talent there as a collective. It's
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  Speaker 4: just a matter of going out there and executing at
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  Speaker 4: a high level and cleaning up the details. The details
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  Speaker 4: was a buzzword that a lot of players Cooper, Dejen DeVante, Smith,
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  Speaker 4: AJ Brown, Dallas Goddard. They all talked about that after
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  Speaker 4: the game, and they've sort of lost their way there
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  Speaker 4: a little bit, and they're gonna have to hone in on that.
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  Speaker 2: Jason I wrote a story for Philly Voice dot Com
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  Speaker 2: that I almost as I'm writing it, I don't believe
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  Speaker 2: it right, But there's fifty two players in the NFL
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  Speaker 2: that have at least one run of twenty yards and
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  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley doesn't. And among those fifty two players are
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  Speaker 2: guys like Marcus Mariota, Sam Darnold, Trevor Not Travis Trevor ETN,
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy McNichols, Puka Nikua, Will Shipley, Chris Rodriguez Junior, and
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  Speaker 2: someone I've actually never heard of, Julius Chesnutt, who is
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  Speaker 2: like a four string running back. I mean, that is
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  Speaker 2: amazing to think that fifty two players would have a
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  Speaker 2: longer run than Sequon Barkley this earlier in the year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that the egos have lost their identity.
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  Speaker 2: I think they know what they their identity is. I
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  Speaker 2: think they can't get to their identity for all the
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  Speaker 2: reasons we're talking about, Yeah, they just can't.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have the same push up from You gotta
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  Speaker 3: understand something with Saquon. He's been hit in the backfield
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  Speaker 3: all sixty percent of the time. Where he's hit in
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: the backfield doesn't mean that they tackle him there, but
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  Speaker 3: he's contacted. In comparison to last year when it was
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  Speaker 3: like three or four yards down the field before he
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  Speaker 3: was contacted, the offensive line is not the same as
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  Speaker 3: far as their ability to make make to move people.
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  Speaker 2: Got it all right. I think I've discovered a trend
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• 14:26
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• 14:29
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• 14:32
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  Speaker 2: We will get to the injury report. The injury report
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  Speaker 2: is not out yet. We've got yesterday's just in case,
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  Speaker 2: but I have a feeling it'll be serting. The Eagles
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: are practicing a little bit later. But now back to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: my conspiracy theory, Jason Eva. Okay, all right, if you
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: look at Jalen Hurts his numbers against the Blitz this year,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: all right, and the past few years, he is one
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: of the best quarterbacks at beating the Blitz by every
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: single metric there is. I can bring it up here,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: we don't need to. I can just say top yards,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: completion percentage, EPA, everything. In the last two games against
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the Broncos and the Bucks, they came after him early,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: and he was like eighteen of twenty one for one
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: eighty and two touchdowns against the Blitz. So anybody who's
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: looking at this going into a game would say, why
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: am I blitzing Jalen Hurts. There's no reason that he's
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: gonna kill me. He's gonna pick me apart. Right, Both
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: teams did it, and then they stopped in the second half.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I had a conversation with Greg co Sell and I said,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: they must have got tired of him beating their blitz
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and made an adjustment. And he said, unless it wasn't
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: an adjustment, and that's when the light bulb went off.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: The light bulb went off over my head. Are teams
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: that are good, like the Broncos and the Bucks intentionally
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: blitzing Hurts, taking their shots early and then completely changing
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the picture in the second half to throw this offense
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: out of disruption.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: You can make that case because the same is true
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: versus the Chiefs, because the Chiefs who were lighting him up,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: and matter of fact, they kept they kept that, they
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: kept Yeah, yeah, they did that. So there's definitely a
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: case for that. I will say that, yeah, maybe you
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: get someone. I can see that point where you get
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: the Eagles so comfortable in that game plan and thinking
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: that the players are going to be there and they
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: don't have to deviate or have to adjust, and then
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: therefore you're playing similar concepts but you change them. And yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: so you know that they're going to play man, which
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: the Broncos did, but they were playing offman more in
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the second half. They were playing catch, they were coming
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: down and spies. They were doing things differently, right, So
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I can see that being flowed.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Think I think that's good.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: And I thought Todd Bose did a great job of
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: like Jalen almost threw massiple picks in that game because
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: he did the Cover two invert where it can look
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: just like Cover zero at times or or you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: a six man pressure.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's plausible. For sure. You have
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: to be very secure in your team and it's resolved
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: to be willing to take some early shots like the
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Bucks were and the Broncos were. I can't imagine the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Giants giants, and I don't think they can do it too.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: But I don't think they can. But I think it's
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: a logical explanation, Jeff, when you look at the previous
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: games Denver. You look at the Bucks, and you look
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: at the Rams and the Chiefs game, Right, that's the
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: only logical explanation because all of a sudden, they're not
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: finding that same success and they're playing the Egles differently. So,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, I believe there is something too that I'm
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: curious to see if a team, maybe like the Vikings,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: who the Eagles face in two weeks, are trying to
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: implement something similar.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: So the other point that kind of makes that is
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: that the Eagles are going to adjust if there's an
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: entire game of one thing. Right, So you go and
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you play or coverage the first half, and now the
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Eagles are going to adjust second half. But if you
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: go out and give them blitz, now they don't have
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the time to adjust in the second half. And maybe
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: that's a coaching point or philosophy that someone else has done.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just wondering, can that now be a blueprint
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: for teams. I don't necessarily know.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: The Eagles had time chances to execute in this game.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: It came down to execution. Just think about Courtland Sudden
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: made plays in the third and the fourth quarter when
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: it was called our receivers and our players did not
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: make those same plays and or we were hindered with
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: a penalty that put us in a long yarded situation
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and we were never able.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: To overcome it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: You think about the last or the second to last
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: drive of that game. I thought it was the backbreaker
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: that kind of explained the entire game. Will Shipley goes
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: out to gets out to the forty. Devonte Smith gets
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a catch, the next catch to Davontae Smith. Get okay,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: you get a legal man down the field. They worked
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: themselves back into a third and manageable. They get into
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: a fourth and six or seven. Devonte Smith catches one
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: down the sideline there in field goal range in order
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: to go up and or score a touchdown. It's called
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: back because behind Dodson is in, he's moving and it's
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: an illegal shift.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Right. So it's been We've been plagued by these same
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: that same stuff the entire game, and I think that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: is the coaching point for the Eagles.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can say, okay, it's a strategy, but there
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: were so many plays left on the field for the Eagles.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I know that they're killing themselves. And it was not
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the referees.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: The referees had a terrible game both ways, because both
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: teams can look at the referees and be like, oh,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: this is terrible. Because the flag that they picked up
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: before halftime on Keey Ringo down the side, I was like,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: what that. I've never seen them yet. That was passing
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: eference and they picked it up. They didn't even call
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the one on us at the end, but at least
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: they didn't pick up a flag.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: It was definitely pass you know, so both of them
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: were passing the ferience. But I'm saying it kind of
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I thought the Broncos maybe got one more call than us,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: two more calls, you know, But I don't think that's
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: the reason. But it's the self inflicted wounds that the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Eagles had.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Can this offense be even if to Jason's point, some
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: of those shots, it feels like they're a little bit
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: sort of shot play reliant now instead of a nice
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: marriage of run intermediate and go deep.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I thought they did some intermediate. They hit the intermediate, yeah,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: definitely against the Broncos. And there have been times in
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: the Rams game not consistent enough, but there have been
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: times where they've been utilizing the middle of the field
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: and those shorts intermediate levels. But to Jason's point, there
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: are plays to be made at all three levels. They
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: just haven't executed enough at at a high clip in
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: certain instances. So I think we're having a totally different
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: conversation about Kevin Patullo. Like, for instance, I go back
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: to the Kansas City game that first played the game,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Grant Kakata misses on protection there, gives up a sack fumble.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: They had aj Brown the other side of the field
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: who likely would have been that would have been the
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: shot play. Yeah, so there are plays to be made, Yeah,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I say that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: When it comes to this offense the RPO game.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I like that they brought it back because we haven't
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: seen it to scale as much as we saw at
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: this last game.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: But you have to be able to have some call
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it and.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Run it plays where it's out of Jalen's hands on
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: whether he gives it or makes the decision to pass.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: And that's why Saquan didn't get as many carries as
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: that or has that he's had gotten in the passes
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: because Jalen was making that decision to take the ball
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: out of his hands. So you need to have some
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: run it plays and just call it as a run
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: play and run it. The other thing too, is that
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: later in that game, it was a critical third down
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that we needed to sustain the drive. They were in
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: a two by two. They ran double slants. They ran
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: that play three other times. Aj Brown caught two other
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: slants that way. He caught another slant on the back
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: of an RPO. If you keep running the same plays
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again, AJ Brown had how
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: many catches in that game? Five all five for forty three,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: all of them more slants. Basically, all of them more
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: slant catches when you really break it down the same way.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: In the Chiefs game, it was a hitch route in
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: the In the Bucks game, you have to give the
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: man more variety, and they did give him more variety.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: But in the waning moments of the game, do you
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: think the defensive player of the year and Patrick's aretain
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: is not going to see that formation that he's caught
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: three other slants in and he's going to d it up.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: That's where you need the nuance of the offense coordinator
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: and understand how the whole game works.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, has to be more variants, all right, So we
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: are still waiting.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Obviously the Eagles practicing, and it's not really a practice.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: So for everybody to understand a Thursday night game, you
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: don't you don't put the pads on the shorts and shelves.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: You basically have walkthroughs each day of the week, Monday, Tuesday,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and Wednesday. You gotta preserve the bodies, and so they
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: do these a little later. So the report time to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: practice start today five to fifteen.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: No, five to ten was locker room practice was at
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: like four fifteen.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll still a little later the normal, and we
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: were waiting on the injury report. So let's let's talk
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: about what we know from after Monday. Uh, Saquon Barkley
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: was on the Again, it's an estimated practice report because
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: they estimate what would happen if they really had a practice.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Saquon wouldn't have practiced. They call it knee. But I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: know he spoke today, right and he told everybody he's fine.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Put it to rest. He's playing against the Giants, So
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that's good. You just gotta be I've always thought, though,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: you have to be a little concerned with the volume
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that he's getting so far, and the not just the volume,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: but last year he took a lot of these runs
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: to the house and nobody ever touched him. Jason brought
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: it up. He was averaging the highest yards per carry
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: before contact in the NFL. Now he's among the lowest.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So he's already taken a lot of contact. I think
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: that's something you gotta worry about. Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I go back to the Tampa Bay game. If you
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: remember the play where he went down for a moment
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: then he waved off aj diwen yep. I think that's
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: where that injury probably took place.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, and then so what to evaluate the mileage
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: on him as these games go. Greg Calcatar, now that
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: was real. He took a shot right early and he
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: had to leave and go back to the locker.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: When I when I was watching the game, I literally
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: said to Barrett. I was like, dude, he's out of
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the game. He's like really, I was like, he's out.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, dude, this is the same Brent Seleck stuff.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is with tight ends, stiff arming,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: get out of bounds like it's one of those things.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I can take this guy on and he gave him
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: his back, and that dude is who Funga is not
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: going to slow down. No, he's not, So you got
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: to know who you're playing against. And he took that
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: shot to the back and didn't come back.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: To the game. Yeah, I actually thought initially he might
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: have been ccussed because he looked woozy. He was pay
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of it right right right away. I was like, oh,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: he's out. I was like, dude, get out of bounds.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? Superman?
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: And he's not even that big of a guy.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Now, he's not. He's trying to lower his shoulder when
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you can just use your stiff arm.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: The guy's moment is gonna carry out of bounds, but
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: you don't give him your back, and he gave him
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: his back, and you never know what's going on with him.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So if he doesn't play. Andrews Kim Lautu, who I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: think has made some decent blocks so far, and it's
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: played twice this game he missed, said he was really
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: close on punt blocks. Yes, yeah, he had him.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: He almost had two against Kansas City, right and.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: He made some open field tackle on punk return. Does
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: this guy get a little bit more of an, you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: a look in the offense as a blocker, as somebody
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: who's better clearly than Grant Calcutta as a blocker. Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's so effective as an inline blocker, really physical.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I've had some really good conversations with him. He said,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: my job is just to go out there and be
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: as physical as possible. But they went to Kylon Grantson
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: after Grant Calkatara left the game because Kylon Grantson obviously
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: he's experienced, he's more of a receiving threat. But I
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: think that cam Latu has played his way into a
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: larger role, especially if you have Brett Toth at left guard,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: you're trying to find different Personnelta to maybe shake the
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: running game free. He would make a lot of sense,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: at least in a more expanded role.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, So you're telling me the guy who went to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Alabama said his job is to be very physical. Total
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: shock Right there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: He was the only player that I could think of
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: at the tight end position in training camp that was
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: able to stand up Jahiad Campbell when Jehi Campbell was
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: attacking downhill in like the one on one, like no
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: during like eleven on eleven.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah nice? All right, And obviously we're all
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: waiting to see the result of Landon Dickerson. So I
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: don't like to play the speculation game. But he leave
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: left with an ankle and you get a short turnaround.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it's not just best to give
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: this man some rest. I don't know. I know, if
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: you can play, you should play Jay. But he's been
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: playing and he keeps coming out with injuries. Yeah, we
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: would have to play.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: These are the types of games where you get your
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: veteran player some rest. And I'm not saying that you
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: overlook the giants, but if there's games like this, usually
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: coaches tend to be more conservative.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: In a game like this, where you're still much more talented.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Than the giants, team is going to take a herculean
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: effort by the giants and then you have to play
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: like dog crap in order for the Giants to beat you.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: So coaches look at all those things in the management
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: and they'll make that decision and probably he won't be
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: playing this.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that would mean Brett Toath would get the start.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: You know, he had like a holding, he had an
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: inside penetration on it. I think it's first or second snap.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But I will say for an offensive lineman, I didn't
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: feel like I was constantly saying his name in a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: in a bad way throughout the game. So I guess
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that's my way of saying, I think he can adequately
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: get in there. But this is not good for the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: offensive line that's trying to get some continuity and and
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and our scheme doesn't help us.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Right, So we're so used to having stalwarts at every
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: position that it's kind of blasphemous for for you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Stoutland to to to put in someone to help assist
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: and Chip have a running back to help the left
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: guard out, like that's not foreign, that's foreign to to
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: to this offensive line. So I don't know if that
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: that helps us at all.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: All right, real quick, as we get through a break,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Nikobe Deane think he plays and sort of left the.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Wide opening he said, he said it's possible. He was,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: you know, estimated full go. He was full go last Friday.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know, given the MetLife Stadium turf, if this
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: would be the week that you want to have him
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: ready to go. But he's he's really close.
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  Speaker 2: up the turnpike, Andrew check will be there. Is Jason
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: about the key to the game getting n Kobe Dean
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: in without an actual full practice. I don't necessarily know
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: if that's the key to the game.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think, But I will say this about na
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Kobe Dean, and I think it's an interesting like theory
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: and it's a very very far stretch, but Nakobe Dean
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: is a very very valuable piece to us and I
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: think that he and I know Jahi Campbell's played well,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: but I don't think that Jehi Campbell is better at
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: this point than Nakobe Dean at inside linebacker.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: That's just me at this point, don't I think that
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: his talent is greater.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to diagnosing, when it comes to blitzing,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: and when it comes to shooting.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: The gap and avoiding a sift block.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: From an offensive lineman, I thought Nakobe Dean did that
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: extremely well last year. Now what did Jehi Campbell? Who
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: is his comparison Michael Parsons. His comparison was MICHAEH. Parsons, right,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: And I think we need help on the edge.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: What do we have in sacks?
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: One guy has a you know, one and a half
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: sacks for us. Necessario Smith helped on two stunts that
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: that helped get him home. So why not try Jeha
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Campbell on the edge a little bit and put Nakobe
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Dean inside linebacker.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Just to see how it works.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: But you need to get the reps of Nakoby Dan
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: being healthy on film so he can be a valuable
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: trade piece no matter what.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Don't I don't disagree with that philosophy. I feel like
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Andrew I would need to see Nikobe Dean's not just conditioning.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: But this is a very serious injury and a lot
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: of guys aren't the same. Yeah, when they come back
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: from it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying now, I'm saying before they make a
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: serious move to get help at defensive end, because you
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: know how he is going to make a serious move
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: to get help at defensive end if we continue with
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the production that we are having right now.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to add to what Jason said. Jeff,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: you've know I've written a lot about Nakobe, have had
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of conversations with him. Yes, I think in
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: many ways he was the heartbeat of that defense last year.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Highly intelligent player, can diagnose plays. Whenever you hear Vic
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Fangio talk about him, he speaks glowingly. He doesn't offer
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: that kind of hollow he doesn't offer hollow praise period.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: So I do believe that when he is ready to go,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: he's certainly going to have a role on defense.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I constantly go back and forth with well,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: what is that role gonna be? Is it like as
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Jason suggested, an off ball linebacker and then Campbell goes
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: to the edge. Is that a permanent thing? Is that
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: an occasional sub package or package thing or I think
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the problem is, Jay, and you know this probably as
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: well as anyone playing in the league, is once a
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: first round pick gets in there and shows you at
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: very least a baseline ability to make plays and continue
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to grow. Like you said, with the upside, it's hard
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: for an organization to take that guy and start playing
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: him somewhere else For the sake of someone who's on
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the last year of his deal, who may not be
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: around past this year. And I have a feeling that
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: that might be a grapple in the upstairs, right. I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: think it was the same way with the Cowboys. Michael
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Parson was was thriving and buying backer stand up. He
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: was thriving.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: But what happened was is that you had DeMarcus Lawrence
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: and was de Marcus Lawrence at the Yeah they have,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: so you had you had guys down and they needed
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: someone to feel that void. And I think we're in
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: that same situation where Nolan Smith is down. We're not
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: getting production out of other guys, and I think that
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: you might as well give it a shot.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: I think at minimum he's a really good run defender
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: and he's also a good blitzer, so at least situationally,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: they should be able to find a roll to get
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: him on the field.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And I agree with this. I wonder if
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: no one comes back. No one's not too far away
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: from coming back though. He can be back in three weeks,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: but he still had.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: But Nolan, even when he was there, he's not getting
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: production and teams are passing the ball on this they're
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: dropping back a lot, but we're bottom of the league
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: in sacks. Like before last week, I think we were
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: twenty ninth to thirtieth in sacks.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: We had five in four games, which is why vicas
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: blitzing at a higher rate that he has exactly because
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: we're not getting home interesting, So let's talk. Let's let's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: take that element of it and project it to this
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: game against the Giants. Andrew, what would be your number
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: one key for this gaming?
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: It's the Giants get off to a fast start offensively,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: put the team away early, and be able to kind
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: of lean on your running game. And this feels like
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: a really good get right spot for this Eagles team,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: especially coming off that that loss. And I think the
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: key to that will be getting off to a faster start,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: trying to get some things clicking and executing at a
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: high level.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: No one could argue against the Broncos and the Bucks
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: they got off through a pretty fast start both times.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: It was how they finished that, Yeah, but they have
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: to be able to sustain it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: That's the case. Of course. What do you think of
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: this Giants team that is sort of I don't want
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to call them rejuvenated, and just lost through a winless
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah Saints team, but clearly they like what they've got
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: now at quarterback.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Well, So I say the key to the game for
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the Eagles against the Giants is to keep them honest
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: in the way that you keep a team like this
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: honest that has really good pass rushers. That's the strength
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: of their team is to have They have really good
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: pass rushes and Brian Burns and the dual Carter they
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: want to get sacks. So to keep them honest, you
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: do what the what the Broncos did to us really
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: effectively they can. I'm sure at the edge they were
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: able to get out on the edges and hit guys
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: in the flat. Had multiple toss plays and I'm getting
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: frustrated thinking about this. How many times I saw Pat
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Bryan block Josh Us on the edge right, So I
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: would say, if we can get to the edges and
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: keep these guys honest, now they got to think about
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: that the rest of the game. So it kind of
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: helps us in protection. It also opens up the inside zone.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: So I think that's like the key to the game
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: is to get on the edge to start.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: So I like that you're pointing this out last week
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I wrote for Philly Voice. I do a story about
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the opponent every week and I put them all twenty
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: two clips in and one thing I noticed about the Broncos,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: and I think the Giants have the personnel to pull
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: it off. Discipline is a whole other issue. Yeah, but
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the Broncos aren't just great at pass rushing. They had
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: a plan. They plan they never got inside the offensive tackle,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: so they never let Jalen break to the outside and
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: then stunt in the middle cause traffic jailing. For the
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: first time all year in quite a whit did not
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: have lanes to run through when the team brought pressure.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: The Giants have good pass rushers. What I wonder is
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: in the moment here in a prime test, well, they
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: had the discipline to be able to do that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: No, I think that they've been so relying upon the
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: defensive line that they get home anyway that's necessary in
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: order to help the team. So having structure like that's
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: like the Broncos defense is one of the better defenses
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: in the league overall when it comes to coverage. When
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: it comes to Van Joseph devising this scheme, when it
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: comes to the way that they rush the pass and
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: how they get off the ball, and not only when
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Jalen did have a few lanes to get up. The
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: second level triggered so fast that he had to get
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: down the guy. They just think about this. In the
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Broncos defense, they had their second round pick or first
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: round pick, I can't remember which round, but a great player,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: a great young player in Jade.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Barron guarding got her. He's their dime corner, he's their
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: dime he came in just to guard Dallas got it.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and multiple situations they had Raleigh moss yep Garden,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Dallas got like. Just think about the wealth of talent
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: and the back end for them. I thought that was
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: the best, the best secondary in the league, top to bottom,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: not saying that that we don't have guys in Coop
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: and Quina, but top to bottom, all they players.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I thought it was the best secondary in the league
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and that you can do more with them. Right. So
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the Giants have tried to get with the times, right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've got this defensive front We've just mentioned Dexter, Lawrence, Abduel, Carter, Keevon, Dibbodeaux,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Thibbodeaux and Brian Burt. You could argue that if things
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: were great, they may have the best four man russ
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: in football. But they also in the offseason Andrew they
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: bring in Paulson Adebo a corner. I thought their safety
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: last year Nuben played fairly well. They're trying to get
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Banks to play better. First round pick, but is that
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: defense right now the way that's currently and with the
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: having to pull the offense along, can they hang? Can
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: they keep up? No?
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think it they can. I was pretty high
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: on Deontay Banks coming out of Maryland several years ago.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Now he really hasn't panned out to be the player
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: that they expected them to be. The foundationally, they're built
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: on their pass rush, but if they're not able to
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: get home Jalen hurts in this Eagles offense should be
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: able to execute in the passing game at a high level,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: because I just don't think that they have enough there
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: at the second and third level.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Right It's no coincidence that the only game the Giants
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: won this year against the Chargers two Sundays ago. They
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: were up ten to nothing in the game. They had
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: a Jackson Dart fifteen yard touchdown run and then a
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: field goal, So finally they could say to the defense. Hey,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: that team's behind. They got a pass. I think they
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: also lost the left tackle in the game. The Chargers,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: let's go rush the passer. I mean they very infrequently
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: get the opportunity to do that, which, to your point, Andrew,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: is why it's really gonna help be helpful for the
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Eagles if they start off fast and put the Giants
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: in the hole again? Right?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Is this?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Does this have to be a get right game for
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Sakuon Barkley, Like, we can't go six weeks here without
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Barkley having a big game, can we know?
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: But if the knees bother them, you don't just want
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: to continue to, you know, add some wear and tear.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: You have other players like aj Dillon and Will Shipley
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: and even Tank Bixby that you could lean on. I
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: don't know if this has to be a get right
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: game for Saquon. It's gonna be health dependent. And the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: injury report actually just came out.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Oh he will, let's check that out. Well, we'll get
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: to that on the other side. But Jason, real quick,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: what do you think you could be hoove the Eagles
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: just to even diversify their run game a little more
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: a little bybe Tank Pigsby once in a while, a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: little AJ Dillon will Shipley.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: AJ Dillon is averaging like seven yards of carry. Yeah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: so he's pretty up there, pretty high when it comes
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: to that number. I just think that teams are not
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: viewing him the same and keying on him as much.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: And he's probably the benefactor of Saquon's success. But I
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: think you have to get Saquon going and some method.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I just think that we're so used to running inside
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: zone and outside zone has worked a lot better for
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: us an outside running places have worked a lot.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Better for us this whole year, right, which is what
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: they typically do now, what they do, and so.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: We get tired of doing it, rather than he let's
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: just run outside until they stop it and then we
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: can come back inside. I don't understand that philosophy. Do
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: what works, or change it up, don't keep doing the same.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Thing, all right, real quick? Sakuon Barkley is today's report.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: He's limited on the estimated report, not did not practice,
• 44:18
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• 44:21
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• 45:55
  Speaker 2: have romped on the Giants pretty well when they're supposed to.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this defense day going
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: up against obviously a rookie quarterback making his third start.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Quinnon Mitchell has played at a early high level. I
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: know he probably he's almost built up this expectation now
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: right where he's got to shut down and there are
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: probably a couple of reps against Courtland something that he
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: just didn't get it done. But he still has. He's
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: still a very talented corner and probably the best Eagles
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: had in a while. Yeah.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: So, so quinnyon talk about the tail of two games
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: in one game, right, So the first three quarters, we're like, dude,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: he's locking sutting up and Sudden is like the most
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: underrated receiver in the NFL when it comes to his production,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: when it comes to his route running from being six
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: to four and being able to locate the balls. Just
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: a strong dude and just a solid player. He's just
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: one of those under the radar guys. You look at
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: his stats and you look at what he does and
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: what he does for his team, and you're like, dude,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I can't believe this guy is this good without this
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: without recognition.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: You know, so you and so you have it early
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: doing well, and then last quarter.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Or so he goes for almost one hundred yards on you.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: So it's one of those welcome to the NFL moments,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: because I don't know if Quenyon had a Welcome to
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: the NFL moment last year, right so, and then after
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: shutting down Ibuka the last week and you have that happen.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I just think it's one of those things about the
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: NFL is dude, you gotta be focused and ready and
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: have your confidence up high the entire time. So Quenyon
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: is definitely great at coverage. There are certain things that
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I think that he has to do a little bit better.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: He relies so heavily on his speed that he gets
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: himselves in bad position. If you look at Patrick certain
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Patrick Sartain will give.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Up an underneath the land or give up something like that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: But he usually finishes on top of a wide receiver,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: so you don't go over the top of him.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Normally. Quenyon is so fast that he's like, dude, I'll
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: catch up in the end.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: And so you see him getting to a place where
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: it's a fifty to fifty ball and he's trailing and
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: it's hard to wrestle that ball away from a dude
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: at six'. Four but it will be a much better
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: position if you on top the whole.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Time and here's. Technique so he has a lot to improve.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: On but he's a great young. Talent, Yeah and does
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: he get Like thursday night off with the neighbors for
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: The giants to throw?
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: To, WELL i mean it's THE. NFL i mean every player's,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: got you, know the varying degrees of. Ability but who's
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: he gonna be up Against Darius slayton OR i would Imagine.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Slayton slayton has some good games against. US i don't
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: want you to disco that's the Pre Quinjon mitchell going through.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Corners but he can. Run he can. Run he can. Run,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: yeah and you have a guy that can run anything to.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Happen he's been around.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Forever it feels, Like, yeah so it looks Like Theo
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: johnson has emerged a little bit from for for The. Giants, Yes,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: JASON i have to talk about A Penn state.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: PLAYER i knew, that you knew.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: That you knew it was. Coming and what happened this
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: week With Penn state but not.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: And the week before?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: That, yeah before there is. Understandable this past week is.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Unacceptable was the week before that? Understandable? REALLY i wonder
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: How saquan felt about. It i'm sure he got some
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: ribbing By and by the, way you Mentioned. Igbuka one
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: of these, days if The eagles And bucks play again
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs and we're doing this, show we're gonna
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: have to have a talk about that. Guy he has
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: been unbelievable through the first five weeks of the, season
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: and both of us are gonna have to say something
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: nice about In ohio sneaky AND i don't think either
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: ust feel comfortable about. That, well he's A bucks. Guy to,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: ME i don't even think about where he wants to.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Go there you, go there you. Go but, really This giants,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: OFFENSE i, mean with their offensive line the way it,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: is they should struggle against This eagles Defense to move
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: the ball and to be able to contain the pass,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: rush don't you.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Think, YEAH i think the key for this is gonna
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: be interior. Pressure and WHEN i look at The eagles,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: defense the hallmarks should be interior pressure and dynamic second level.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Play this should be a big jay When carter. Game
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: but let's not forget he's been dealing with that shoulder
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: the last few weeks and it seems like it's gonna
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: be something that. Lingers it's the same one that he
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: had in training.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Camp. Yeah how about Is Darius smith the guy he
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: just goes from team to team the last few years
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and he goes and plays pretty. Well, yeah he's he's
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: been schemed open the few times that he's got. Home, yeah,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: so but he's doing. Good he's the only guy with
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: on the edge that had some some, pressure so hopefully
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: he can continue continue it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Up i'm, disappointed AND i, KNOW i just think that
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: we're dealing with injuries and guys are tough and through,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: it and it's kind of unfair because we expected them
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: to play through.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: It But Jalen carter is a shell of, himself just
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: a flat out. Show there was double. Teams they were
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: double team in the other three they weren't double team
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: in him in this Fast, well no.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: They, were but they were just getting up to the
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: second level so fast that you didn't know because he
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: would take he would take the the easy way. Out
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: he didn't take on the double. Team he would just
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: go opposite of. It so the guy that was double
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: team and would just push him over into the gap
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: and just head up To Zack.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Bond so but, yeah you're talking about. Runoff i'm saying
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: some past protection away from. Him that's surprise. Me AND
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: i almost, wondered, like is that it's just some really
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: good scheming or is there something deeper to. That, no
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: he's just not playing the Same and it's.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: True just think about like the run game and how
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: efficient he was like getting in the. Backfield how many
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: tackles for lost a game did he?
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Average you? Know, so and you just don't see those last. Plays,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: yeah this interior Front, andrew it's like you've Got Jalen,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: carter you haven't Improved Jordan, Davis Moro jomo was the
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: star of. Camp AND i don't think they're playing, poorly
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: but you haven't yet seen them all pop together and
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: really create this sort of overwhelming interior.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Presence, Yeah Jalen carter didn't really dominate in training camp
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: like we saw the previous, summer and you have to
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: think that the shoulders impacting that a little. BIT A
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: JOMO i really, like but he's, undersize AND i think
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: you're seeing that in in how that manifests in the running.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Game Jordan davis has been a revelation Though Jordan davis
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: has played, well but, Collectively, jeff to your, point, no
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: you haven't seen them all sort of fire in the same.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Game When Jordan davis And Jalen carter's out of the,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: game we got no, Chance like as far as like
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: stopping the run WHEN i when When Byron.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Young And ojomo was in, there they were getting sure.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Just just like pushed all the way back AND i
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: and and it was to the point where when both
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: of them were in, it they were the guys took
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: one break and they were coming back.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: In it was, like we can't play football like. This
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: and so The eagles got to solve.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: That AND i don't know how they, can't you, know
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: because they had a very deep defensive line last year
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: in comparison to.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: This, YEAH i feel like this year it's not like
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: they've been bad against the, run but teams have had
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: probably more more maybe they.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Have, yeah they've been bad for their.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Standard, yeah they've been over one hundred. Yards the running
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: backs have been over one hundred, yards you. Know, so
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: so it's and that's obviously where it, starts all, right
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: the drama. Angle we have to a little dress it
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: before he closed it out. There and obviously you you've
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: seen a lot in your time with The. Eagles when
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: you go back to this relationship Between, HURTS. A. J,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: brown his, receivers they all had a meeting, yesterday talked it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Out Sa quon was THE uh was the?
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Uh media the.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Mediator and this is From Jimmy, keepski my colleague At Philly.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Voice what does that tell, You? Jay is that is
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: that normal to? You or is that a sign of something?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Good something not? Good whenever that meeting has to happen
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: is never, good, true you, Know so you don't meet
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: when you're, uh you know when everything you, Know SO
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: i just think that, perspectives it's easy for us to
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: sit in the. Seat so let me break this down for.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: You and and we don't we don't have that must.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Sign but.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Winning is the central. Thing that's what we want to.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Do everyone wants to, win And philadelphia wants to.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Win all of us.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Do the only thing is is That jalen's winning equals.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Money the quarterback wins equals a big. Contract the same
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: is not true for a wide. Receiver but he did
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: get it a big. EXTENSION i mean he's getting. Deduction
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: gets contracts for, receivers not. Wins production. Does so when
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: it's time to go to how we and, how he,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: says you know, what your production is not the.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: SAME i want you to take a pay. Cut. Damn
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: why is my production not the same Because i'm not
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: getting the. Ball you're making a great, point by the,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: way because people forget about that and they drive this To.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Dallas godd they just they do it for every, player you.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Know and so what Aj brown is saying, is, YES
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: i want to, win but at the same, TIME i
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: don't want you guys to take my kindness and my
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: desire to win for me being a dummy and not
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: being a shrewd.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Business, sure SO i want.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: You guys to prioritize me catching the ball, too Because i'm.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Helping your quarterback get his. Money that's. FAIR i Mean
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: not only did they do this to Get Dallas, goddter
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: but they did it the year. BEFORE i think the, slave,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: right it's every year and who you think is next
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: down down At Dusty. Road, yeah so his separation, analytics
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: if you're paying attention to those are. Down is that
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the route and usage or do you think you're seeing
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: a player who doesn't separate like he was two or
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: three years ago to some?
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Extent, Right, SO i think it's a combination of having
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: a new offense corn he doesn't play the game with
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: the same the same like tactfulness that he did.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Before WHEN Aj brown first got, here you would.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: See him do moves on slants and get open and
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: shake a guy and didn't use just route power all the.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Time he had a little bit of subtly to his.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Game this, year for some, reason he's just running up
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: to guys and pushing them and getting. In that only
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: works on so many. Times you gotta give guys. Moves
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: so it's a little bit On. Aj and then it's
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: the predictability of the. Routes just think about, it all
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: slants versus The, chiefs all slams versus The, broncos all stop,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: routes versus it's, predictable, right and you're playing against the
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: best corner every, time so it's a predictable. Thing SO
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: i think it's a little bit OF, aj but it's
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: mostly the offensive play.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Calling, yeah you know the famous scene In My Cousin
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: vinny When Marissa toby, says my biological clock is. Sick,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: well as like my knees aren't getting any, healthier my
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: contract isn't getting any. Bigger well actually, is and that's
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: gonna make them want to read.
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: It.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: GO i need to get the ball down the, field my,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: friend and and is gonna help us. Win it's BECAUSE. A.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: J brown has been a central feature in our offense
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: that when he touches the, ball we normally.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Win is just the. Truth that is the. Truth we will. See,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: yeah But jalen hat being there is part of that equation,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: too and we'll. Listen sometimes The giants can be a
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: get right game for The, eagles and we will See
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: thursday night if that is the. Case Jason, levant Former eagles,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: receiver thank you so much for showing. Up, hey check
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: over from inside The birds always doing a great. Job
• 56:53
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